#linuxcnc Logs
Apr 20 2017
#linuxcnc Calendar
12:00 AM Tom_itx: k i'll check it out tomorrow
12:02 AM Tom_itx: chmod the directory to 711?
12:02 AM Crom: goiogle search website folder permissions
12:02 AM roycroft: yes
12:02 AM Tom_itx: or just the files in it
12:02 AM roycroft: chmod dir 711
12:02 AM Tom_itx: ok
12:02 AM Tom_itx: what should the files in it be set to?
12:02 AM Crom: non browsable
12:02 AM Tom_itx: same?
12:02 AM roycroft: ls -lbash-3.2$ ls -ld bla
12:02 AM roycroft: drwx--x--x 4 stevejobs staff 136 Apr 19 21:28 bla
12:02 AM roycroft: bash-3.2$ ls -l bla
12:02 AM roycroft: ls: bla: Permission denied
12:02 AM roycroft: bash-3.2$ ls -l bla/foo
12:02 AM roycroft: -rw-r--r-- 1 stevejobs staff 0 Apr 19 21:28 bla/foo
12:02 AM roycroft: i think tht's what you want
12:02 AM roycroft: make sure the files are readable
12:02 AM Tom_itx: right
12:02 AM roycroft: you're just obfuscating the names
12:02 AM Crom: .htaccess
12:03 AM Crom: options -Indexes
12:03 AM Crom: obfusicating names will probably work for Tom_itx
12:04 AM roycroft: i'm assuming this is for something like generating one-time downloads
12:04 AM Tom_itx: yeah something like that
12:04 AM roycroft: buy something
12:04 AM roycroft: random filename is generated and file by that name stuck in directory
12:05 AM roycroft: link to weirdly named file sent to purchaser
12:09 AM Crom: using .htaccess http://www.htaccess-guide.com/how-to-use-htaccess
12:09 AM * roycroft thinks chmod 711 is easier than messing with ,htaccess
12:09 AM Crom: 711 and turning off indexes in the main config would probably be better...
12:09 AM Crom: .htaccess slows down apache
12:09 AM Crom: that allows uploads but not downloads
12:59 AM Crom: ugh I hate doing strings in C
01:18 AM Deejay: moin
01:23 AM IchGucksLive: morning from ice cold germany
01:26 AM enleth: well, there was some guy on YT who actually retrofitted a Fanuc S-420W with linuxcnc (https://www.youtube.com/user/myvideosource66 ), so I'm probably going for it
01:28 AM IchGucksLive: enleth: there is a iw version that is some more interest
01:29 AM IchGucksLive: https://www.robots.com/fanuc/s-420iw
01:30 AM enleth: IchGucksLive: I'm sure it is, but it's not the one I can buy for $1500 right now
01:32 AM enleth: it's the cheapest probably-working 6R robot I've seen around here in the last couple of years, excluding some 80s shit
01:33 AM IchGucksLive: ok the review says there is no 420-w so it is the iw version
01:33 AM IchGucksLive: this is a real big heavy robot
01:33 AM IchGucksLive: enleth: what is the use off
01:33 AM enleth: what
01:34 AM IchGucksLive: what are you going to do with it
01:36 AM enleth: mostly just play around with it and use it as a teaching aid, probably some light milling, maybe slap a MIG welder on it too
01:36 AM IchGucksLive: it is a low accuracy version
01:37 AM enleth: AFAIK its intended use is machine tending and material handling, so that's not surprising
01:38 AM IchGucksLive: ok i need to move on
01:38 AM IchGucksLive: have a non bitbreaking DAY
01:39 AM enleth: oh, there's also an ABB IRB 2400 for $700, but no control cabinet
01:59 AM Crom: nite all
03:30 AM enleth: it gets better - I found a slightly more expensive Kuka VKR200/1A
03:30 AM enleth: a couple years newer design
03:31 AM enleth: and broken in a more promising way
03:43 AM Just5pLeisure: Hi
03:46 AM Just5pLeisure: I am trying to improve usability of WCH382 based PCIe parallel port cards in Linux and see that LinuxCNC wiki pages are a valuable reference for information about parallel port cards and Linux
03:49 AM Just5pLeisure: However, the WCH page appears to be inaccurate. Whilst I'm not yet in a position to confirm that WCH382 parallel cards can be used, I would like to correct the apparent errors on the wiki page.
03:51 AM Just5pLeisure: Is it OK to log in to the wiki site and make changes?
03:53 AM Just5pLeisure: The clarifications I would make are: PCI ID 9710:9805 is not a WCH vendor/device ID pair, it is actually NETMOS/MOSCHIP/ASIX vendor/device ID pair for their 9805 chipset
03:53 AM Just5pLeisure: IC00 is a valid vendor id and is assigned to WCH
03:55 AM enleth: maybe leave a note saying that the previous IDs were such and such? there could have been a reason more interesting than a typo
03:55 AM enleth: like, say, a chinese knockoff using some random IDs
03:55 AM Just5pLeisure: Vendor/device ID 1C00:3050 is not an imposter, but is the valid ID pair for the WCH382 parallel port only configuration (i.e. without serial ports)
03:56 AM enleth: ah, you actually said you'd note the previous ones
03:56 AM enleth: sorry, I'm tired
03:58 AM Just5pLeisure: The problem with it though is that the linux kernel driver doesn't have an entry for it (yet)
03:59 AM Just5pLeisure: Hi enleth, thanks for your suggestion. I'll go ahead and update the page.
04:01 AM Just5pLeisure: btw, is the forum off-line? I eventually get a timeout/unreachable message when I try to go there...
04:04 AM archivist_herron: was getting errors yesterday too
04:07 AM archivist_herron: Just5pLeisure, a few have had questions/errors/failures with the WCH card
04:10 AM Just5pLeisure: who, oh me! I'm Just4pLeisure, I made a typo when joining chat :rolleyes:
04:11 AM Just5pLeisure: Are these issues being discussed on the forum?
04:14 AM Just5pLeisure: In the meantime I'm trying to get a dialogue going with WCH to improve Linux support. Their chip appears to be ECP/EPP capable for example but defaults to SPP mode. Unfortunately their reference manual isn't public and even if it was my Chinese isn't up to much :-(
04:15 AM Just5pLeisure: In parallel I'm learning how to compile the kernel so that I can at least try to implement a patch...
04:20 AM enleth: OK, I officially have no idea what I'm doing, but I just confirmed I'm buying that Kuka robot
04:22 AM enleth: supposedly, the display on the control is dead but it does react in some way to some buttons being pressed and the whole thing worked properly before the display died
04:22 AM enleth: the arm itself looks OK
04:22 AM enleth: comes from a Volkswagen factory, replaced with a newer one during a production retooling
04:28 AM archivist_herron: retrofit linuxcnc or repair it
04:37 AM enleth: sound absolutely repairable
04:39 AM archivist_herron: retrofit teaches you more though :)
04:41 AM enleth: yeah, but it's better to have it running now and prepare for the retrofit with a working robot
04:41 AM enleth: that's how I worked on the bridgeport
04:47 AM XXCoder: heys
05:07 AM XXCoder: looks like I lucked out, my printers is actually shipped.
05:21 AM jthornton: morning
05:22 AM XXCoder: hey jt
05:22 AM XXCoder: my printers shipped lol
05:22 AM XXCoder: some people got refunds so i was bit concerned
05:22 AM jthornton: cool
05:22 AM jthornton: dualing printers lol
05:23 AM XXCoder: I think il;l call it Holy and Crap
05:23 AM XXCoder: but then one printer will be called crap. hmm lol
05:28 AM jthornton: ying and yang
05:29 AM XXCoder: not bad but eh
05:29 AM XXCoder: I think first modifictation is moving filiment holder to top
05:29 AM XXCoder: and complete the enclosure
05:33 AM XXCoder: oh jthornton the damned 2020 corners arrived!
05:33 AM XXCoder: finally. jeez. lol
05:34 AM jthornton: damn how long did that take?
05:34 AM XXCoder: 500 years
05:34 AM XXCoder: heh 2 months I guess?
05:34 AM XXCoder: long enough that im looking for order
05:34 AM jthornton: my m3 standoffs arrived yesterday
05:34 AM jthornton: http://gnipsel.com/images/tweaker-5/Tweaker-5-03.jpg
05:35 AM jthornton: http://gnipsel.com/images/tweaker-5/Tweaker-5-04.jpg
05:35 AM XXCoder: cool :)
05:35 AM XXCoder: amazon?
05:35 AM jthornton: http://gnipsel.com/images/tweaker-5/Tweaker-5-05.jpg
05:35 AM jthornton: no, the amazon ones will arrive today
05:35 AM XXCoder: oh
05:35 AM jthornton: got the fpv working
05:36 AM XXCoder: ya saw it
05:36 AM jthornton: just lacking two things to fly
05:36 AM jthornton: need to print some antenna guides and the xt60 cord for the battery
05:37 AM XXCoder: so when done, ship it to me? ;)
05:38 AM jthornton: fly it over your house lol
05:38 AM jthornton: do you have your quad going again?
05:38 AM XXCoder: it works fine just not using atm lol
05:38 AM XXCoder: I ordered parts for it, so I have color code for forward!
05:39 AM XXCoder: props and protective fins
05:40 AM jthornton: I have some prop guards for the tweaker
05:40 AM XXCoder: might use neon green. why not. lol
05:40 AM XXCoder: depends on its visiabilityu
05:41 AM jthornton: I should get different color props for the rear I think
05:42 AM XXCoder: mine is currently everything black
05:42 AM XXCoder: my bro is white fin and guards, my fiend has same
05:42 AM XXCoder: so can create color schemes so we have all different colots
05:42 AM jthornton: do you fly fpv or line of sight?
05:43 AM XXCoder: line of sight. dont wanna fpv till serious flight time make sure I like to do it
05:44 AM Tom_itx: yo
05:44 AM XXCoder: hey
05:44 AM jthornton: heh
05:47 AM jthornton: chicks are growing like weeds
05:47 AM XXCoder: wow
05:47 AM XXCoder: austin is paying people to rainse chickens
05:48 AM XXCoder: just $75, one time to turn backyard into coop
05:48 AM XXCoder: they are trying to cut trash, and chickens eat lot of oprganic trash
05:48 AM Tom_itx: now you just need a couple goats
05:48 AM XXCoder: soiled paper? they cat it
05:48 AM XXCoder: *eat
05:49 AM jthornton: this used to be a goat farm
05:49 AM XXCoder: cool
05:50 AM XXCoder: so jt you rainsing chickens for eggs and some meat eh
05:50 AM jthornton: eggs mostly
05:51 AM XXCoder: nice
05:51 AM XXCoder: my favorite is egg muffin
05:51 AM jthornton: hmm new mother board doesn't have an isa header and I need a floppy drive on it
05:51 AM Tom_itx: just don't name them, then you really won't wana eat em
05:51 AM XXCoder: mcdonalds you pay $1.50 for a egg
05:51 AM XXCoder: nowdays $2 I think actually
05:51 AM XXCoder: anyway order 3 sausage mcmuffin, cook egg myself and yummy
05:52 AM jthornton: fresh eggs are so much better
05:52 AM XXCoder: jt and if you dont wash em, it has natural protection last entire month
05:52 AM Tom_itx: what do you need on a floppy you can't do another way?
05:52 AM XXCoder: dont refergate it
05:52 AM XXCoder: tom used to be firmware for motherboard but now? dunnp
05:52 AM Tom_itx: you'll need to set up a candle station
05:52 AM jthornton: the Discovery 308 only has a floppy drive to transfer programs
05:53 AM Tom_itx: i see
05:53 AM XXCoder: yeah NASA is very hard up for 8" floppy disks and drives!
05:53 AM jthornton: its a 386
05:53 AM XXCoder: theres fake floppy drives now
05:53 AM XXCoder: its 8 gb sdcard and selector buttons and ui
05:54 AM gcardinal: Is there a difference between stepper drivers in real life application? Im waiting for leadshine em806 but have other polish made drivers - but are just unsure "What is the difference?" or how do I tell if its / good / bad
05:54 AM XXCoder: interfaces like a real 3.5" disk in drive
05:54 AM Tom_itx: http://www.staples.com/Sabrent-SBT-UFDB-External-USB-2x-Floppy-Disk-Drive/product_IM1GU0024?cid=PS:GooglePLAs:IM1GU0024&ci_src=17588969&ci_sku=IM1GU0024&KPID=IM1GU0024&cvosrc=PLA.google-SALES.Hard%20Drives%20%26%20Data%20Storage&cvo_crid=39357180342&cvo_campaign=173943342&gclid=CJjp09zostMCFU6ewAodYNsODg
05:54 AM Tom_itx: never tried one
05:54 AM Tom_itx: all my other interface cards work though
05:55 AM XXCoder: has one, very rarely use. its meh, cant use for flashing motherboard for older computers
05:55 AM archivist_herron: gcardinal, yes, some break, some detect faults, leadshine tends to just work
05:56 AM XXCoder: http://www.ipcas.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Floppy-Emulator-USB-Disk-Index-Selector-Tool-USBSelector-exe.jpg
05:56 AM XXCoder: it can fake 99 drives
05:56 AM XXCoder: or 100 if it starts at 0
05:56 AM jthornton: Tom_itx: I think I have one or two of those
05:56 AM Tom_itx: do they work?
05:56 AM XXCoder: dunno never needed one
05:56 AM Tom_itx: i maybe could use one here too
05:57 AM Tom_itx: i would likely format the disk on the target drive
05:57 AM jthornton: gcardinal: a good stepper drive will morph from 10 micro steps to full steps as the speed increases to have smoother movement
05:58 AM gcardinal: archivist_herron okay thank you
05:59 AM gcardinal: jthornton and that is something I can see / hear or I need to test for? like seeing it final finishing on parts
05:59 AM gcardinal: *in
06:01 AM jthornton: you will be able to hear it :)
06:06 AM jthornton: gecko is the only drive I know of with adjustable mid range morphing from 10 micro steps to full steps but there may be others
06:06 AM * jthornton goes to find the heat paste
06:06 AM gcardinal: okay :) so main parameters of stepper driver is how stable it is and how smooth it runs?
06:11 AM XXCoder: knew it
06:11 AM XXCoder: theres cheaper lathe than mine. LOL
06:11 AM XXCoder: http://www.banggood.com/12-24V-Lathe-Press-Motor-with-Drill-Chuck-and-Mounting-Bracket-p-1022337.html
06:11 AM XXCoder: $11 shipped lol
06:12 AM jthornton: 1/2 of the chicks are perched on the roost I made yesterday
06:13 AM XXCoder: my crap printer is far higher quality than that one lol
06:18 AM XXCoder: jthornton: http://www.banggood.com/Howshow-4_5-Inch-LCD-Writing-Tablet-Digital-Drawing-Tablet-Handwriting-Ultra-thin-Pad-Board-With-Pen-p-1132025.html
06:18 AM XXCoder: it is... surpising good
06:18 AM XXCoder: great to take short term notes around shop, liek too length or xyz
06:18 AM XXCoder: I plan to order more
06:21 AM XXCoder: 50,000 erases thats basically forever
06:24 AM archivist_herron: gcardinal, steppers are smoother with microstepping but that can limit top speed, it is a compromise
06:25 AM XXCoder: I just used 1/4th microstep and its great for me
06:25 AM XXCoder: small machine anyway
07:11 AM jthornton: my guess is the pc boots much faster if you plug in the hard drive
07:12 AM XXCoder: lol
07:12 AM XXCoder: what happened
07:13 AM jthornton: motherboard died
07:24 AM tommylight: Hello
07:25 AM tommylight: Forum down???
07:27 AM jthornton: hmmm seems to be down
07:28 AM tommylight: Thnx bro
07:31 AM jthornton: np
07:32 AM DrippityDrops: whats the slang name for guys using a 5th wheel on a pickup truck with trailer who haul machines? (not a rigger) I feel like its a compound word with "jack" as part of the name.
07:33 AM jthornton: like a hot shot truck?
07:33 AM DrippityDrops: maybe lemme google!
07:33 AM DrippityDrops: looks right to me!
07:36 AM DrippityDrops: this looks like a very useful website for tracking down a good independent
07:36 AM DrippityDrops: http://profiles.hotshotcarrier.com/index.php?filtertext=hotshot&filtercustom%5B3%5D=Indiana&Search=Search
07:38 AM XXCoder: blank ite
07:48 AM chopper791: Moring
07:48 AM chopper791: jthornton: Chicks are getting bigger?
07:49 AM jthornton: yea, wing feathers are just shooting out like weeds
07:49 AM * jthornton heads for the shower
07:50 AM chopper791: I have 17 Turkey chicks that are growing fast and 8 chickens hatching in the next 3-4 days
08:14 AM XXCoder: how easy is brass to turn?
08:14 AM XXCoder: im thinking buy small brass rods just test with my lathe
08:14 AM SpeedEvil: XXCoder: very
08:14 AM XXCoder: nice
08:16 AM SpeedEvil: XXCoder: it needs somewhat different cutting geometry than steel and will grab
08:16 AM XXCoder: my lathe cant run steel lol
08:16 AM XXCoder: nor alum
08:16 AM XXCoder: its very small $27 lathe but if its easy enough as well as by small sample to test
08:17 AM XXCoder: https://www.amazon.com/KINGSO-Brass-Round-Assorted-2-8mm/dp/B01IGJ6424/ not bad
08:17 AM XXCoder: 100m in varous sizes
08:17 AM XXCoder: might be too small
08:17 AM XXCoder: (diamter wise)
08:23 AM XXCoder: "brass: color: gold"
08:23 AM XXCoder: hah
09:17 AM IchGucksLive: hi from a sunny Germany
09:19 AM IchGucksLive: jthornton: best to go for a 6month replacment on PC stuff 24/7 operating
09:19 AM IchGucksLive: better then a fulll breakdown
09:20 AM DrippityDrops: XXCoder: put more angle in your cutter rake if you dont have a ridgid enough machine to keep the bar from chattering. http://littlemachineshop.com/reference/images/Toolbit.gif
09:20 AM archivist: er wot not for brass
09:20 AM archivist: flat top
09:21 AM DrippityDrops: it will just chatter if his machine is not ridgid
09:21 AM archivist: grabbing and chatter is due to excessive rake
09:21 AM IchGucksLive: XXCoder: the mcdonalds movie starts today in cinemas germany
09:21 AM DrippityDrops: brass does a great cut with flat rake but not if the slides have place
09:22 AM DrippityDrops: play*
09:22 AM archivist: negative rake for a bad machine
09:25 AM DrippityDrops: he can try negative or positive I suppose but I wouldnt expect there to be enough iron there to handle a negative geometry
09:26 AM archivist: the thing has no iron!
09:26 AM DrippityDrops: on my screw machines with a heavy slide I do flat or negative, with light lathe I always use postive
09:26 AM DrippityDrops: aluminum lathe?
09:26 AM archivist: it is an under $30 toy
09:26 AM DrippityDrops: oh..
09:27 AM DrippityDrops: the best way would probably be a box tool from the tailstock then
09:28 AM DrippityDrops: http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/qS4AAOSwQItUFEBt/s-l300.jpg
09:29 AM DrippityDrops: this would make sure all the heavy turning pressures are in a straight line from the cutter and not pushing from the side
09:29 AM archivist: that is larger than said lathe
09:30 AM DrippityDrops: shrugs, buy a lathe, then the material :P
09:32 AM archivist: I didnt save the link to the ebay listings
09:32 AM DrippityDrops: XXCoder: just make sure if you go with a positive rake you remove the play from your crosslide or lockout your crosslide during a pass
09:33 AM DrippityDrops: this will keep the cutter from sucking into the bar
09:34 AM archivist: the "spindle" is the motor with plain bearings
10:05 AM DrippityDrops: XXCoder: stick to cutting plastic :P
10:08 AM DrippityDrops: eep I can hear a pshhhing sound from my phone charger
10:08 AM DrippityDrops: when the screen goes bright/dark it get quieter and louder
10:58 AM {HD}: I think I may have salvaged these two computers that blew up yesterday. Looks like they might have just fried one ram module each.
11:15 AM gregcnc: anyone happen to know of a source for a ~M3 differential screw like used in some insert tooling? https://www.ultradexusa.com/product/xns-47/
11:17 AM SpeedEvil: Is that a left-right screw?
11:17 AM gregcnc: that one is, but I'd be OK with same helix, different pitch I just don't want to make them
12:06 PM archivist: gregcnc, a sort of screw only made for specific jobs
12:07 PM roycroft: i just had a brilliant idea
12:07 PM roycroft: mounting my lathe on a stand that's next to a wall would be very difficult
12:08 PM roycroft: but i can clamp temprary casters onto the stand mount it in the middle of my shop, roll it in place, then remove the casters and install the leg levelers
12:08 PM * roycroft wonders why it took him so long to figure this out
12:08 PM * archivist is too polite to say
12:09 PM roycroft: i'm already thinking it
12:09 PM roycroft: but i appreciate your discretion :)
12:11 PM Jymmm: Yoou mean... heavy duty furniture dolleys?
12:12 PM roycroft: i have some 3" casters for another project that aren't installed yet
12:12 PM roycroft: and they will just handle the load
12:13 PM Jymmm: I was thinking something like this http://www.harborfreight.com/2-piece-1500-lb-capacity-vehicle-dollies-67338.html
12:14 PM roycroft: i'd like to use what i have on hand
12:15 PM roycroft: and i have a set of these:
12:15 PM roycroft: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01D6CC3SU/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o06_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
12:15 PM roycroft: lathe is about 1000lbs
12:15 PM Jymmm: I made a "I" out of lumber, and installed the casters on the ends
12:15 PM roycroft: if i remove the chuck, motor, and tailstock it's probably 800lbs
12:15 PM roycroft: 250lbs for the stgand
12:15 PM roycroft: stand
12:15 PM roycroft: and i'm still within spec for the casters
12:16 PM roycroft: yeah, i'm thinking of something simple like that
12:16 PM roycroft: a couple pieces of 4x4 would probably work
12:17 PM roycroft: i need to replace the belts anyway, and clean the caked on grease off the motor, so i was already planning on removing it
12:17 PM Jymmm: Be careful of the "dolley" you make tilting/flipping up when you put/remove one side of the lathe.
12:18 PM Jymmm: That's what I connected them together.
12:18 PM roycroft: my plan will be to clamp them to the stand in pairs
12:18 PM Jymmm: and keep it as low profile as you can
12:18 PM roycroft: i need to slide a cherry picker underneath the stand
12:18 PM roycroft: so 4x4s below the bottom of the stand, and casters on the bottom of the 4x4s will give me about 8" of lift
12:18 PM Jymmm: But connect the "pairs" together
12:18 PM roycroft: and the cherry picker with wheels is about 6"
12:19 PM Jymmm: It helps reduce the tilitng/flipping effect
12:19 PM roycroft: the "axles" will be firmly clamped to the stand itself - it's going to be an open tubular stand
12:19 PM roycroft: so they won't move
12:19 PM roycroft: i'll have levelling feet for the stand to sit on when it's in its permanent location
12:20 PM roycroft: so i would jack up an end, remove the casters,and lower it onto the levelers
12:20 PM roycroft: then repeate
12:20 PM roycroft: my plan is to make an open frame
12:20 PM roycroft: use the chip tray as the top
12:20 PM IchGucksLive: hi from Germany
12:20 PM roycroft: and install some drawer units into the frame later on, when i get around to fabricating them
12:21 PM roycroft: i need to figure out the best height for the thing
12:22 PM roycroft: where is a good height for the centerline to sit in relation to a human body on a lathe with at 12" swing?
12:22 PM roycroft: waistline? (real waist, not below the beer gut)
12:22 PM roycroft: elbow height?
12:27 PM roycroft: hmm, i just read a suggestion that the center of the cross feed crank should be at elbow height
12:27 PM roycroft: that makes sense
12:28 PM IchGucksLive: beer
12:28 PM the_wench: I am not your waitress!
12:28 PM roycroft: bier!
12:28 PM IchGucksLive: roycroft: the wench in not with you
12:28 PM roycroft: maibock, bitte!
12:29 PM IchGucksLive: only a view days to go
12:29 PM IchGucksLive: it is already bottelded
12:31 PM roycroft: gutes bier und schöne weiber sind die besten zeitvertreiber
12:31 PM roycroft: we were taught that in high school german class :)
12:32 PM IchGucksLive: it is as it is
12:32 PM IchGucksLive: you shoudt ged a job at edelbrook or HAAS
12:32 PM roycroft: i like homebrewing and teaching brewing classes
12:32 PM IchGucksLive: even tesla searches German english workers
12:32 PM gregcnc: no money there if you drink it all yourself
12:32 PM roycroft: that's actually the reason i'm so anxious to get this lateh dealt with
12:33 PM roycroft: the lathe is sitting right where my brew system goes
12:33 PM roycroft: and i have a brewing class coming up in a couple weeks
12:34 PM roycroft: life's not all about money, gregcnc
12:34 PM gregcnc: agree, but having some or more helps
12:34 PM roycroft: yes, it's not a bad thing to have
12:34 PM IchGucksLive: agres
12:34 PM IchGucksLive: e
12:35 PM roycroft: i would really like to brew a märzen this year - i haven't made one in a couple years
12:35 PM roycroft: but it's already getting late for that
12:35 PM roycroft: if i'm to serve it at oktoberfest time
12:35 PM IchGucksLive: why building one mashine after the other if the gov coudt bye them ready made
12:35 PM IchGucksLive: BRC nevada
12:37 PM IchGucksLive: i close down early today need to engrave native indian for a Kindergarden event
12:38 PM Jymmm: Don't most ppl call that a tattoo?
12:38 PM roycroft: any thoughts on the lathe height?
12:38 PM roycroft: with cnc it's not as important
12:39 PM archivist: using a chair or not, we dont know if you are tall or short
12:39 PM roycroft: but when manually operating it is kind of a big deal
12:39 PM roycroft: i said in relation to the body
12:39 PM roycroft: so my height is irrelevant :)
12:39 PM roycroft: and i would be standing
12:39 PM archivist: body on feet, on a mat on a chair
12:39 PM roycroft: i'm on the short side of medium height, though
12:39 PM roycroft: on a mat
12:39 PM roycroft: feet on a mat
12:39 PM Jymmm: roycroft: bullshit... you could be long in the legs or long in the torso. You could have limited ceiling height
12:40 PM roycroft: z crank at elbow height seem like it might be a good height
12:40 PM archivist: some have a pallet/wooden slats style mat
12:40 PM archivist: some may raise it due to eyesight
12:41 PM roycroft: i have more back problems than elbow problems
12:41 PM roycroft: i could probably reach up to crank more easily than bending over to see
12:41 PM roycroft: plus i have power feed
12:41 PM roycroft: so the cranking won't be all that much work
12:41 PM roycroft: so maybe crank about 3-4" above elbow height?
12:42 PM archivist: I stand at the southbend and sit at the lorch
12:42 PM roycroft: higher means less stooping and more room for storage underneath
12:42 PM roycroft: so i would probably err on the side of a little too high
12:43 PM roycroft: but i don't want to have to stand on a stool to operate it
12:43 PM gregcnc: i only store chips and a trashcan under the lathe
12:43 PM archivist: add bricks if too low, saw some off if too high
12:43 PM roycroft: my preference would be to build it properly in the first place :)
12:43 PM roycroft: but i don't have the leg levelers in stock
12:43 PM roycroft: i'll order some long ones, maybe 6" long
12:44 PM roycroft: and design with a target height in the middle of the levelers
12:44 PM roycroft: that should give me 2" either way for adjustment
12:44 PM Jymmm: roycroft: Can you raise one end of the lathe easily?
12:44 PM roycroft: for testing, not really
12:44 PM roycroft: i need to use a cherry picker to raise it
12:44 PM roycroft: and i have nothing to set it on right now
12:45 PM roycroft: i might cobble up some sawhorses for that
12:45 PM roycroft: the ones i use for wood projects won't support the weight
12:45 PM Jymmm: roycroft: Then setup soem bars on it so you can use a floor jack; then you can just place 1/4" steel plate to raise to your desired height.
12:47 PM roycroft: i like the height of my mill/drill from a vision perspective - it's pretty high and i can see the work pretty well
12:47 PM roycroft: but my elbows do get sore when cranking it a lot
12:47 PM roycroft: i think the x and y cranks are about 8" above elbow height
12:47 PM roycroft: i should measure
12:47 PM archivist: generally it is a compromise to suit the user
12:48 PM roycroft: yes
12:48 PM roycroft: i'm just looking for a target
12:48 PM sync_: yeah, I have it a wee bit over elbow
12:48 PM roycroft: and i'm going to accomodate adjustments in the design
12:48 PM sync_: and sometimes I with it would be higher
12:48 PM sync_: sometimes lower
12:48 PM roycroft: 3-4 inches above elbow height for the z crank seems like it would work well
12:49 PM archivist: for my Lorch I am seated looking through a microscope
12:51 PM archivist: http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2014/2014_09_07_Lorch_lathe/IMG_1823.JPG
12:52 PM gregcnc: my Clausing 10" spindle is at my elbow, so handwheels are 4-6" below. it's fine for handle turning, but looking at something means bending down. i'd wouldn't want to lift a chuck much higher than that
12:54 PM roycroft: yeah, lifting a chuck is a consideration
12:54 PM FinboySlick: archivist: Pictures like this make me think there isn't a square foot of your property that isn't covered in some amazing old machine.
12:54 PM roycroft: an 8" chuck is going to weigh ~60lbs or so
12:54 PM roycroft: i'm going to make chuck cradles that sit on the ways, so i would not have to lift and hold one at height
12:54 PM archivist: FinboySlick, hoooo meeee
12:55 PM roycroft: and if i get too old even for that i'll build a crane to lift my chucks :)
12:56 PM archivist: FinboySlick, eeerm that last image is in the kitchen
12:57 PM gregcnc: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLzgT5VFzf0 eee gad, no paper around?
01:04 PM skunkworks: wow that screen update is slow.
01:14 PM pcw_mesa_ is now known as pcw_mesa
01:16 PM roycroft: i'm still unsure if i want to get an 8" 4 jaw or a 10"
01:17 PM archivist: or both
01:17 PM roycroft: right now it's one or the other
01:17 PM skunkworks: or both!
01:17 PM roycroft: longer term, if i ever feel skilled enough and inspired enough, a camlock spindle might be in the picture
01:17 PM roycroft: and that would mean all new chucks
01:18 PM gregcnc: I have a big and small the big one sure was handy
01:18 PM roycroft: it's more likely i would make some kind of chuck locking clamp for the existing spindle, such as grizzly do on their 10x20 lathe
01:18 PM gregcnc: when the time comes shop for another lathe
01:18 PM roycroft: if it's even an issue
01:18 PM roycroft: people always say that camlock is essential because you can't run a lathe backwards without it
01:18 PM roycroft: but how many of you have ever had a chuck spin off when running the lathe backwards?
01:18 PM archivist: I agree with more than one lathe as well
01:19 PM roycroft: and if it has happened, were you taking some huge hogging cut at the time?
01:19 PM gregcnc: i I only part backward and i'ts not an issue
01:20 PM roycroft: people turned with their lathes running in reverse for decades before camlock spindles came into vogue
01:20 PM roycroft: and i haven't read lots of horror stories about chucks spinning off
01:20 PM roycroft: it seems like unjustified fearmongering to me
01:20 PM archivist: I may have had a chuck event or more
01:21 PM roycroft: i'm trying to think of when i'd even run it backwards - it would not be frequently at all
01:21 PM archivist: slammed one on three phase into reverse oops
01:21 PM roycroft: running with the feed reversed would be a lot more common
01:21 PM gregcnc: I think it's justified, imagine the fun of a chuck coming off at 1200 RPM
01:23 PM roycroft: cutting internal threads to a shoulder might be a reason to run in reverse
01:23 PM gregcnc: if you're experienced only an error would cause a problem
01:23 PM roycroft: but that could be avoided by mounting a mirror on the carriage
01:24 PM gregcnc: you set your carriage stop to indicate depth
01:24 PM roycroft: or that
01:24 PM archivist: internal thread to a shoulder needs cnc to do a nice job, else a safety groove and bottom gear
01:25 PM roycroft: a clearance groove for sure
01:26 PM archivist: no clearance on this one, linuxcnc wins http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=leawood+nut
01:26 PM roycroft: the technique i've seen is to mount the cutter upside down and run in reverse, cutting on the far side of the work so you can see it
01:28 PM gregcnc: not upside down, but to the back, a left hand tool
01:29 PM gregcnc: if upside down and at the back, you don't need reverse
01:29 PM roycroft: oh, right
01:29 PM roycroft: so that's not an issue
01:30 PM roycroft: so now i'm trying to think of when i'd need to run in reverse
01:30 PM gregcnc: not enough to worry about
01:34 PM * roycroft is not going to worry about it
02:00 PM Crom: 6mm is too big for 3040 in SL
02:00 PM Crom: 6mm is too big for 3040 in AL
02:00 PM Loetmichel_: Crom: depends on the depth of cut
02:01 PM Loetmichel_: i regulary cut AlMg3 on my CNC 6040 with a 6mm carbide 2-flute
02:01 PM Loetmichel_: work like a charm if you stay below 0,2mm doc
02:04 PM Crom: just broke the 3mm
02:04 PM {HD}: Where do I change the names of the options grub lists?
02:06 PM Crom: in /etc/grub.d/
02:06 PM Jymmm: DO NOT EDIT THE FILE DIRECTLY
02:06 PM Jymmm: make a backup first
02:07 PM {HD}: Jymmm: lol. I like the caps...
02:07 PM Jymmm: make sure to use the grub utility too
02:09 PM {HD}: Alright I changed the display name of some of the dual boot operating systems. I hope it works.
02:23 PM Crom: got my short 4mm back in... I have another 4mm on order
02:24 PM Jymmm: Crom: they have "devices" and operations for that
02:25 PM Crom: I'd love to make a nose for my 400w spindle to put a bearing in to support the nose of the ER11 chuck
02:29 PM Crom: do not edit directly is the /boot/grub/ files though... they are generated from /etc/grub.d/ files
02:39 PM Crom: installed QB64 on linux... nice! it's nice to have a quick and dirty programming language on here again...
03:08 PM enleth: OK, as soon as the bank confirms the installemnts, the Kuka arm is mine, and the seller agreed to arrange transport
03:10 PM enleth: *installments
03:25 PM sync_: enleth: what model?
03:25 PM enleth: VKR200/1A
03:26 PM enleth: a bit newer than the Fanuc S-420iW I was planning to get, and in a better condition
03:28 PM enleth: made in 1996, but mechanically extremely similar to current Kuka models, while S-420 has very little in common with modern Fanuc designs
03:31 PM sync_: ah those
03:31 PM sync_: yeah, they are common and cheap
03:31 PM roycroft: am i old?
03:31 PM roycroft: because "kuka" reminds me of "kukla, fran, and ollie"
03:33 PM enleth: sync_: decomissioned from a Volkswagen factory, which pretty much guarantees it was operated within design limits and well maintained
03:35 PM sync_: haha, that is what you think :D
03:35 PM enleth: (as far as I can tell, the "V" in "VKR" is for Volkswagen, as it looks identical to KR200/1A)
03:36 PM enleth: sync_: well, it's more of a guarantee than if it were operated by some joe shmoe in his private business, with no maintenance budget
03:39 PM sync_: well, my experience with robots from big industrial establishments is that they are just run until they do not run anymore
03:39 PM roycroft: or until the factory shuts down
03:40 PM enleth: sync_: it was replaced in a retooling, so might have been decomissioned at any point in its lifetime
03:42 PM sync_: that is what usually happens
03:42 PM enleth: Volkswagen sources most of their robots from Kuka as that's basically next door for them, and I doubt they'd consider it prudent to run something right up until it fails,
03:44 PM SpeedEvil: running stuff till it fails is a recipie for crap QC
03:44 PM enleth: I mean, I've seen their assembly lines, they most definitely don't look like something they want to suddenly stop because they cheaped out on replacing one old robot
03:44 PM sync_: enleth: that is why they replace them every retooling
03:45 PM sync_: not really SpeedEvil, it is how auto manufacturers run their sheet metal dies
03:45 PM sync_: pump out parts until they fail QC
03:45 PM enleth: but they can swap out the dies in an instant compared to replacing a robot
03:45 PM enleth: even with an identical unit
03:47 PM enleth: and, yes, they do unload the stamped parts manually and one of the major reasons is to notice any quality problems right away
03:47 PM sync_: VWs press facility is fully automated
03:48 PM sync_: they just pull every nth part out and push it through the CMM
03:48 PM enleth: sync_: might be for structural parts, but body panels are unloaded automatically from the press, then racked manually
03:49 PM enleth: at least for the last Golf model
03:49 PM sync_: I would disagree
03:50 PM enleth: maybe that's because die wear starts to be a problem on body panels first, where you can see the defects
03:50 PM sync_: the mqb skins are also largely automated
03:51 PM enleth: well, the guys pulling door, roof and hood skins from the conveyor would agree
03:52 PM enleth: maybe they don't do it *now* but they did it about two years ago
03:54 PM enleth: anyway, I don't expect a used robot from their factory to be a clapped out piece of junk
03:54 PM sync_: well, I have seen robots from major automakers here that have failing brakes
03:55 PM sync_: not a huge issue, but superbly annoying
03:55 PM enleth: it doesn't look decomissioned right after being replaced or something like that either, so what I'm probably getting is just a robot with a couple years of 24/7 uptime
03:55 PM sync_: the gearboxes are always fine, but that is due to the low wear in them anyway
03:55 PM enleth: the current owner did check the brakes, they're in acceptable condition
04:03 PM enleth: besides, the most likely non-educational use for this robot is going to be foam milling for lost foam castings
04:03 PM enleth: or milling other soft materials
04:04 PM enleth: it would have to be in a really shitty condition to not do that properly
04:18 PM Deejay: gn8
04:22 PM roycroft: grr
04:22 PM roycroft: the same qctp that i just bought got listed on cl today for $60
04:52 PM enleth: now the interesting question is - will the Autodesk's Kuka KRL postprocessor available for F360 handle the 1996 dialect of KRL
04:53 PM enleth: roycroft: return the first one?
04:53 PM enleth: preferably after you get the $60 one and verify that it's in a good condition
04:53 PM roycroft: i don't like returning things for that reason
04:54 PM roycroft: the seller went to the effort of processing the order
04:54 PM roycroft: i just don't recall ever seeing a qctp on cl before
04:56 PM enleth: roycroft: if you do have a right to return even for no reason (I have where I live, for 14 days after the purchase), you could tell the seller straight up what the situation is, and exchange it for toolholders amounting to the same value instead of just returning it and getting your money back
04:56 PM enleth: roycroft: as a seller, I'd be happy to assist a customer who asked to do that
04:57 PM enleth: to get a returning customer
04:58 PM enleth: it would cost a little more effort on the seller's part, but it wouldn't be a lost purchase
05:04 PM andypugh: Personally, I would consider that I paid a price that seemed fair at the time, and later events don’ change that.
05:07 PM roycroft: that's how i feel, andypugh
05:08 PM roycroft: i'm not complaing about what i paid
05:08 PM roycroft: i was expressing surprise that i saw one on cl
05:10 PM andypugh: Crazy Irish folk on motorcycles: http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b08mp802/road-riders-series-1-episode-1
05:10 PM andypugh: (Might not be available outside the UK)
05:11 PM sync_: I might go to the TT this year
05:12 PM evilren: like, the TT?
05:12 PM * roycroft can vpn into the uk to look at that
05:12 PM evilren: and theres tons of isle of man vids on youtube if that doesnt work
05:12 PM roycroft: and no, it's not available outside the uk
05:12 PM andypugh: The TT is just one of the big road-races (the biggest)
05:12 PM roycroft: i have a uk vpn specifically so i can use the bbc iplayer
05:13 PM evilren: isle of man tt is
05:14 PM sync_: yeah andypugh, the other races are not any saner, just shorter
05:15 PM sync_: I was in belfast when they had the ulster gp years ago
05:15 PM CaptHindsight: http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/switching-power-supply/kl-10-5-5v2a/ I see they changed their supplier ....
05:15 PM CaptHindsight: the previous version was such crap that the connectors would break free from the pcb when you tightened the connections
05:16 PM enleth: andypugh: on the other hand, there's nothing wrong in finding a solution that makes the buyer happy and the seller still have a sale. I have done what I described twice - that is, swapping the product I bought for something else of similar value that I could also make use of instead of just asking for my money back, when the reason for the return wasn't a seller's fault
05:17 PM roycroft: another factor for me is keeping life simple
05:17 PM roycroft: i make a decision and then go with it
05:17 PM enleth: fair enough
05:18 PM CaptHindsight: it looks like they moved to a new location
05:18 PM roycroft: i'm not, for example, one of those folks who queues up at the market and then switches queues if i think another one might go faster
05:18 PM roycroft: i just pick one and stay there
05:18 PM roycroft: in the end, things might take me a little longer and cost a little more
05:18 PM roycroft: but i life with less stress and anxiety
05:18 PM roycroft: make a choice and be happy with it
05:18 PM roycroft: i live, rather
05:19 PM roycroft: i don't advocate such an approach for others, but it works well for me
05:20 PM enleth: roycroft: I guess I'm aiming for a middle ground, I generally wouldn't return something "just because" (i.e. chaned my mind even though the product is just fine) for the same reason you don't want to
05:20 PM enleth: as in, ask for my money back
05:20 PM andypugh: Whenever I make a decision that turns out wrong, the question I ask it whether I made the right decision at the time given what I knew at the time.
05:23 PM roycroft: if it's from a local market where all i do is walk up to a check out counter to buy it i don't mind returning it
05:23 PM Crom: hmmm pwmgen stop... GRRRR
05:23 PM roycroft: the merchant goes through almost zero effort to sell it or process the return
05:23 PM roycroft: but mail order requires more effort on both parties
05:24 PM andypugh: One of the racers has a “walking leg” and a “racing leg”. I didn’t catch if he lost the “universal leg” racing or some other way.
05:25 PM andypugh: Crom: The phrase you need is “seto pwmgen.0.enable 0” You have to shout in a language they understand.
05:26 PM CaptHindsight: http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/cnc-spindle/kl-5500atc/ 5.5KW 18k rpm spindle for $3300
05:27 PM CaptHindsight: BT30
05:27 PM andypugh: ATC always makes them more expensive
05:28 PM CaptHindsight: my concern is reliability
05:28 PM sync_: I watched the racing doctors talk after he died andypugh, pretty cool story imho
05:29 PM CaptHindsight: http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/cnc-spindle/kl-9000atc/ bigger version
05:31 PM CaptHindsight: what size is that holder?
05:31 PM CaptHindsight: also BT30, it doesn't say
05:31 PM CaptHindsight: ??
05:32 PM andypugh: There is talk of allowing racing in English roads. The reason the TT on the Isle of Mann exists is that they have a different legal system. It’s been illegal to close roads for any kind of competitive event in England for hundreds of years. But they changed the law for the Tour de France a few years ago :-)
05:32 PM sync_: how did that work out with the ulster gp?
05:32 PM sync_: as that is held on the street
05:34 PM andypugh: Ulster is yet another legal system.
05:34 PM CaptHindsight: hmm 9000w = 12HP, I don't see that happening
05:35 PM sync_: ah
05:37 PM Crom: go to mdi, type in M3S4000 hit enter nothing... m5 enter, M3S900 enter nothing...
05:38 PM andypugh: Has it ever worked?
05:44 PM {HD}: I wanna make something like this pen holder... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZO75YXbhAA
05:47 PM CaptHindsight: ~$10k for a CNC retrofit not including any motors or drives, just the controller and PLC
05:47 PM Crom: rebooting
05:48 PM CaptHindsight: http://www.ebay.ca/itm/CNC-Retrofit-Package-Cincinnati-Arrow-500-750-1000-1250-Machines-/291847940944
05:48 PM {HD}: CaptHindsight: Seems pricey.
05:49 PM CaptHindsight: is this their own CNC software? http://www.ms-tech.com/cnc-control/software/index.html
05:50 PM CaptHindsight: {HD}: doesn't sound bad for everything if it just works
05:50 PM CaptHindsight: no fiddling, no making connectors, no tracing wiring etc etc
05:51 PM CaptHindsight: that chinaco 9000w spindle is probably more in the 2kw range
05:52 PM CaptHindsight: here's the size of a real ~10KW spindle motor http://www.ebay.ca/itm/FANUC-A06B-0755-B201-C100-AC-Spindle-Motor-Cont-30min-7-5kW-10HP-11kW-15HP-/141290818678
05:54 PM CaptHindsight: I have to fix the spindle in my 600V, been debating weather I'd rework it into a 20k rpm spindle
05:55 PM Crom: ok getting signal at pin1
05:57 PM CaptHindsight: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Matsuura-Vertical-Machining-Center-/401191635743 $500 or best
05:58 PM CaptHindsight: anyone near Phoenix?
06:01 PM CaptHindsight: I wonder if Skunkworks ended up with this http://www.ebay.com/itm/252835503857
06:02 PM Crom: ahhh spindle speed control died
06:03 PM roycroft: i'm about 3 hours away from phoenix oregon
06:07 PM CaptHindsight: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Matsuura-MC-1000-VX-/201871869576
06:23 PM Crom: time to find another speed control
06:28 PM chopper79: Anybody find some morels in their area?
06:29 PM Crom: hmm 60v 20amp PWM HHO RC motor speed regulator... $4
06:29 PM chopper79: Gone out a few times and found nothing. Thinking my spot is dried up...
06:33 PM {HD}: I edited my grub.d and now my alternate boot options show up twice
06:34 PM Crom: it's $4... think I can input 0v-5v into the pot hookup
06:34 PM Crom: pwm mach3 dc speed control
06:34 PM Crom: oops
06:37 PM Sabotender: morel? you mean the mushroom? I can't eat those. They give me a stomachache.
06:37 PM Crom: this is what I burned up http://www.ebay.com/itm/12V-24V-48V-12-50V-15A-600W-DC-Motor-Speed-Control-PWM-MACH3-USB-CNC-PLC-/221580055594?hash=item339733542a:g:2E4AAOSwY45UQ1za
06:38 PM {HD}: How do I find what my parport address is? sudo dmesg | grep par ?
06:39 PM {HD}: "sudo dmesg | grep par" ?
06:42 PM Crom: grep lp0
06:43 PM Crom: dmesg | grep parport
06:43 PM andypugh: cat /proc.ioports
06:44 PM andypugh: cat /proc/ioports I mean
06:44 PM Crom: andypugh: doesnt work for pci parports
06:45 PM {HD}: I did an lspci and got some results...
06:45 PM andypugh: In that case, lspci
06:46 PM Crom: dmesg | grep parport returned [ 11.369873] parport0: PC-style at 0x378, irq 7 [PCSPP,TRISTATE,EPP]
06:49 PM Crom: speed control might not be toast.. found a bad solder joint
06:51 PM {HD}: Hum, I don't have anything showing up as parports but I used the addresses of the card I just put in and it runs...
06:51 PM {HD}: http://dpaste.com/0SG11ZY
06:52 PM {HD}: Should I try to get it to show up as a parport?
06:53 PM chopper79: Sabotender: Yeah as in mushroom morel. Sorry to hear they upset your stomach.
06:54 PM andypugh: Sabotender: The red ones with white spots are not Morels :-)
06:54 PM Sabotender: andypugh: those are toadstools, lol
06:59 PM chopper79: lol
07:00 PM Crom: bad solder joint... well I have an extra PWM speed control coming...
07:00 PM chopper79: Crom: not always a bad thing to have an extra on hand just in case
07:01 PM {HD}: So, if it works don't mess with it?
07:01 PM {HD}: For my parports showing up as serial...
07:01 PM Crom: true.. different type coming... 60v 20amp 1200w... vs my current running my 50v 10amp 500w
07:02 PM chopper79: Nice
07:02 PM chopper79: Well I am off to go work on finishing up this grizzly rebuild I am working on. Have a good one all!!
07:14 PM Crom: hmmm 110vdc 500w spindle with 220AC power supply...
07:14 PM {HD}: How do I address a Serial port that doesnt seem to be ttyS0-ttyS4?
07:16 PM Crom: oh... I should know this... you're loading a serial module?
07:16 PM enleth: am I correct in thinking that a robot arm should do nicely as an EDM?
07:16 PM {HD}: Crom: I am using a 2Serial1Parallel PCI card...
07:16 PM {HD}: I just put it in and I am trying to update my config files.
07:16 PM Crom: you pass it the serial ports when you load the module... trying to remember how to do it..
07:16 PM enleth: no rigidity, vibration and resonance problems, just a matter of precise positioning, unless I'm missing something obvious
07:18 PM Crom: the bad solder joint was probably my stalling problem I had..
07:18 PM {HD}: Crom: I am reading the DRV_2S1P - LINUX - Install-README files that came with the PCI card...
07:19 PM {HD}: Whoops! Dinner Time....Ill figure this out afterwards.
07:20 PM Crom: ok that's fingered out... now to work on the arduino mega poorman mesa
07:24 PM R2E4_bevins1: evening, morning and maybe afternoon to some.
07:24 PM Crom: on freenode, when you arrive you say morning... when you leave you say goodnight...
07:25 PM Crom: ignoring the other peoples local time
07:25 PM Crom: morning R2E4_bevins1
07:26 PM Crom: even if you show up for 5 minutes... morning on arrival, and nite on leaving..
07:27 PM R2E4_bevins1: yeah but when I do that evening, others say mornin....or afternoon, so I handle all in one function
07:27 PM Crom: it's been the convention on IRC for over 30 years...
07:27 PM {HD}: another 10 degrees until dinner
07:28 PM Crom: heh
07:28 PM Crom: F or C?
07:28 PM R2E4_bevins1: I dont remember that back in the BBS days....
07:28 PM Crom: aka sooner or later?
07:29 PM {HD}: F
07:31 PM Crom: bbs was store and forward... bit different...fidonet 1:125:411
07:32 PM Crom: had to relook myself up.. nodelist.363
07:34 PM * {HD} hears the thermometer beeps...bbl
07:38 PM Crom: nodelist.337 in 1993 Harris 80286-20 was the board machine... we used to think that was fast!
07:42 PM R2E4_bevins1: G43 (or G43 H1 - replace all tool offsets with T1's offset) A G43 replaces all tool offsets with the TX offset?
07:42 PM R2E4_bevins1: That is in the docs......
07:42 PM R2E4_bevins1: or only if you specify H parameter?
07:44 PM Crom: don't know G43 stuff yet..
07:47 PM Tom_itx: G43 without an H word uses the currently loaded tool from the last Tn M6.
07:55 PM {HD}: Yummy! Now back to work...
07:59 PM {HD}: Should I try to install the driver that came with this PCI card or should I try to get a default driver to kick in?
08:00 PM Crom: try the default..
08:01 PM {HD}: But, it is showing up as: 04:05.0 Serial controller: Device 4348:7053 (rev 10) (prog-if 02 [16550])
08:02 PM {HD}: I have 0xcce8 as my port and it seems to work with the machine...But, I don't know how to reference the Serial ports(2) where I have my VFD plugged in.
08:02 PM R2E4_bevins1: yeah thats what I thought until I read that part in the docs that says it will replace ALL TOOL offsets with offset with Hx offsets
08:06 PM R2E4_bevins1: You setting up serial ports? dmesg | grep tty
08:07 PM R2E4_bevins1: serial 2 should be ttyS1 something like that
08:09 PM {HD}: R2E4_bevins1: Well, ttyS0 and S1 show up but, neither seem to work. I had this working on a different machine but it had on board Serial and Par...This is a 2Serial1Par PCI card.
08:11 PM {HD}: R2E4_bevins1: Does this data help? http://dpaste.com/3M4TVFN
08:11 PM gregcnc: what is the concern with G43?
08:12 PM R2E4_bevins1: com2 is on ttyS1
08:13 PM R2E4_bevins1: gregcnc, just want to know how it works, I thought G43 alone would set the offsets for the last Tx.
08:14 PM R2E4_bevins1: but the docs says G43 H1 would replace all tool offsets with Hx offsets
08:15 PM Tom_itx: i always call a tool with it's offset
08:15 PM gregcnc: where is that in the docs exactly? what I'm looking at reads just a little different
08:15 PM gregcnc: In most controls you are required to call the offset
08:16 PM Tom_itx: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/gcode/g-code.html#gcode:g43
08:16 PM R2E4_bevins1: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gcode/g-code.html#gcode:g43
08:17 PM gregcnc: is this the line in question? G43 H1 (set tool offsets using the values from tool 1 in the tool table)
08:17 PM R2E4_bevins1: 29. G43.2: section reads G43 (or G43 H1 - replace all tool offsets with T1's offset)
08:18 PM {HD}: R2E4_bevins1: I have a 232-485 adapter plugged into one of the new PCI card serial ports...I have tried both ttyS0 and ttyS1 and neither have a result...Like I said I had this working on a machine with a serial and parport on-mobo...
08:19 PM R2E4_bevins1: use getty and short pins 2 and 3 and see if you can mimic characters on the screen
08:19 PM R2E4_bevins1: gregcnc: those two lines contradict. which one is correct?
08:20 PM R2E4_bevins1: you could read them the same I guess.
08:20 PM gregcnc: it doesn't contradict., they call T1 just above in the example
08:22 PM {HD}: R2E4_bevins1: can you be a little more specific? What is getty?
08:25 PM R2E4_bevins1: for testing your com port. Shorting pins 2 and 3 should mimic keys you press on keyboard on the console. any terminal program would do
08:25 PM R2E4_bevins1: just to test to see if serial port is working.
08:29 PM R2E4_bevins1: G43 after a T1 is the same as G43 H1, what was throwing me off was it says G43 H1 replaces all tool offsets with T1's offset.
08:29 PM gregcnc: I think all tool offsets implies X,Y,Z,....
08:29 PM CaptHindsight: {HD}: which PCIe LPT card is this?
08:29 PM gregcnc: It's not common, but there are times you call a tool offset different than the tool number. More common in lathe
08:29 PM {HD}: CaptHindsight: Its just PCI
08:29 PM CaptHindsight: {HD}: recently you came acrossa fake one that wasn't the card I had posted on the wiki
08:29 PM {HD}: https://www.amazon.com/Sienoc-Serial-Parallel-Printer-Computer/dp/B00XBX05V2/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1492736307&sr=8-2&keywords=parallel+port+serial
08:29 PM {HD}: CaptHindsight: Correct I did have a fake one. This is not that one...
08:29 PM {HD}: R2E4_bevins1: getty is not in the default repos =(
08:33 PM R2E4_bevins1: try minicom then
08:34 PM R2E4_bevins1: you have to setup a serial console, then short pins 2 and 3. thats one way to test if the serial port is working.
08:36 PM {HD}: R2E4_bevins1: So, putty would work? I am fimilar with putty
08:36 PM R2E4_bevins1: yes
08:37 PM R2E4_bevins1: Theres a putty for linux?
08:37 PM R2E4_bevins1: lol
08:37 PM {HD}: R2E4_bevins1: lol yea, I just installed it...not only that but it is in the default repos..
08:38 PM R2E4_bevins1: putty has serial?
08:39 PM Crom: putty has serial
08:39 PM R2E4_bevins1: yeah it does....lol Im going to try it on linux.....
08:39 PM Crom: R2E4_bevins1: QB64 also has a Linux version www.qb64.org
08:40 PM {HD}: R2E4_bevins1: let me know what you find using putty. I just opened ttyS0 and there is no blinker
08:40 PM Crom: nice down and dirty way to write a program with out all the #include<blah> hassles of c and ; and {}
08:41 PM R2E4_bevins1: its qbasic stuff?
08:41 PM Crom: pretty much with extensions as well
08:41 PM {HD}: serial ports are MALE! How do I stick a paperclip in to a pointy bit...
08:42 PM Crom: {HD}: carefully?
08:43 PM jdh: that was going to be my line damnit
08:43 PM Crom: jdh: I waited quite awhile before typing it...
08:44 PM {HD}: HOLY CRAP! I found a Serial Mini Gender Changer in my parts bin!!! WIN!!!
08:44 PM Crom: void Int4Reader (void){ if (PORTE & B00010000) { InterruptPins = InterruptPins & B11101111; } else { InterruptPins = InterruptPins | B00010000; }}
08:45 PM Crom: my ISR for arduino mega interrupt 4... 0-5 are pretty much the same.. cept for port and bit being read
08:45 PM jdh: hook up your 25 year old serial breakout box and watch the led's flash
08:46 PM {HD}: I don't have one of those...
08:46 PM Crom: jdh: it's only 28 years old!
08:46 PM Crom: and I know where it's at... how sad is that
08:47 PM Crom: in the armrest of my car I have a db9 null modem adapter...
08:47 PM jdh: I know where mine is
08:47 PM jdh: certainly not in my car though.
08:47 PM Crom: do you know where you patch wires are? I don't...
08:47 PM jdh: in the case
08:47 PM Crom: case! woooo you're fancy pants...
08:48 PM jdh: http://i.imgur.com/A0EKELI.jpg
08:48 PM jdh: the top half of the case has all the jumpers
08:50 PM Crom: fancy... now I have to climb the ladder to get mine and take a picture... bbiab it's in the attic
08:50 PM {HD}: jdh: What the hell is that thing?
08:50 PM jdh: serial breakout box
08:50 PM Crom: kids... these days... don't even know what a breakout box is
08:50 PM {HD}: OK, shorting 1 & 2 of my serial ports doesnt give me anything...Putty just hangs with no blinker....
08:51 PM {HD}: http://dpaste.com/3CS3TCP
08:52 PM jdh: did you try typing something
08:53 PM {HD}: yea...no type. The cursor was solid...not blinking...I think I should have shorted 2 and 3 not 1 and 2...
08:53 PM jdh: 1 and 2 won't do anything particularly useful.
08:56 PM {HD}: Unfortunatly I get the same result when I short 2 and 3...something isnt right...
08:56 PM {HD}: Ima try a reboot...
08:56 PM {HD}: exit
08:57 PM roycroft: kids these days don't know what an rs232 port is
08:57 PM Crom: detour... found a jetdirect I had forgotten about... need that mor...
09:03 PM {HD}: I have a thought. I hooked up my ribbons based on the amazon picture but, there was not detent or dot or pin 1 labled...Do you think the 232 port ribbons are backwards? https://www.amazon.com/Sienoc-Serial-Parallel-Printer-Computer/dp/B00XBX05V2/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1492738363&sr=8-3&keywords=serial+parallel+port
09:06 PM jdh: pin 1 isn't marked?
09:07 PM {HD}: Nope. There was no indication on the card to which way the ribbon should go.
09:08 PM {HD}: so, I followed the picture.
09:09 PM CaptHindsight: {HD}: my mistake it wasn't an impostor card ....
09:09 PM CaptHindsight: the way the card was jumpered didn't match the ID in the kernel driver
09:11 PM CaptHindsight: I'll have to check if the newer kernels have the fix
09:11 PM {HD}: CaptHindsight: What do you mean? I feel like I missed somthing.
09:11 PM roycroft: pin 1 is on the side away from the external connector
09:11 PM roycroft: for the card in that picture
09:12 PM CaptHindsight: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?WCH has been updated to better explain the problem
09:12 PM {HD}: roycroft: So the ribbon hookup is correct?
09:12 PM roycroft: if the cable in the picture is hooked up correctly, pin 1 is on the side away from the external connector
09:12 PM roycroft: the colored stripe on the cable is pin 1
09:13 PM {HD}: I know that...but the card is not marked.
09:13 PM roycroft: and the description of the card is written in engrish
09:13 PM CaptHindsight: are you even using the serial ports?
09:13 PM roycroft: with which i am not completely fluent
09:14 PM roycroft: but it's a quick test to reverse the cable and see if it works
09:14 PM {HD}: CaptHindsight: Yea, my VFD is hooked via 232-485 adapter
09:15 PM {HD}: roycroft: Yea, I think I will try switching it.
09:15 PM * roycroft votes for getting a mesa card and being done with it :)
09:15 PM {HD}: CaptHindsight: I am using the card (amazon link above) and I have the parport address in my .hal file and it works...my limit switches and step and dir pins all work.
09:16 PM {HD}: roycroft: If I went mesa I think I would get an ethernet version...
09:16 PM CaptHindsight: not your problem anymore I know
09:17 PM roycroft: i did not specify any particular mesa card
09:17 PM {HD}: Yea, I am just stating what I am leaning towards if I were to go that route.
09:18 PM CaptHindsight: skunkworks_: did you end up getting that VMC from the Kenosha area?
09:18 PM CaptHindsight: I saw that it sold for ~$1200
09:22 PM Crom: spindles on it's last legs... had to whack it to get the brushes working..
09:23 PM Crom: shudder at having to grab the 300w...
09:25 PM {HD}: CaptHindsight: Is there a reason I cant update my kernel to something with WCH support? LinuxCNC runs on a pretty old one.
09:28 PM CaptHindsight: {HD}: no since LCNC uses RTAI and RTAI is a bit behind kernel.org as is Debian
09:28 PM CaptHindsight: I get confused sometimes since we build our own RTAI kernels here
09:29 PM CaptHindsight: so I forget what is what in the RTAI kernel in the LiveCD
09:30 PM {HD}: user1@CNC:/$ uname -r
09:30 PM {HD}: 3.4-9-rtai-686-pae
09:31 PM CaptHindsight: it's a lot of work to port RTAI to newer kernels
09:31 PM {HD}: alternatively I could try to install the WCH drivers into the existing install.
09:31 PM CaptHindsight: we do when we need it
09:32 PM CaptHindsight: I found a fixed driver searching earlier
09:32 PM CaptHindsight: not sure if it made mainline
09:33 PM CaptHindsight: https://home.p5n.pp.ru/~sergej/files/wch-driver.tar.gz
09:33 PM CaptHindsight: http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-serial/msg11744.html
09:33 PM CaptHindsight: he added the device ID if the chip when it's configured for a single EPP port
09:34 PM {HD}: Ill look at those links when I get back up to the office. I am going to try this ribbon cable flipped and if it doesnt work then back inside for the night.
09:36 PM {HD}: Well, that did not work...
09:38 PM CaptHindsight: typical Chinaco mess, vendors decide ti change the PCI vendor ID from the assigned 0x4348 to the unlisted and unassigned 0x1c00
09:39 PM {HD}: Did you see my last dpaste? This new card has a real vendor ID.
09:39 PM CaptHindsight: have the link?
09:40 PM {HD}: http://dpaste.com/3CS3TCP
09:40 PM {HD}: lol not that one
09:40 PM CaptHindsight: I found that wrong one as well
09:41 PM {HD}: er. More common in lathe
09:41 PM {HD}: 20:58 < {HD}> CaptHindsight: Its just PCI
09:41 PM {HD}: http://dpaste.com/3M4TVFN
09:41 PM CaptHindsight: 04:05.0 Serial controller: Device 4348:7053 (rev 10) (prog-if 02 [16550])
09:41 PM CaptHindsight: Subsystem: Device 4348:3253
09:42 PM {HD}: Whats that mean?
09:42 PM CaptHindsight: 4348 is the pci vendor ID
09:43 PM CaptHindsight: http://pcidatabase.com/vendors.php?sort=name
09:43 PM CaptHindsight: http://pcidatabase.com/vendor_details.php?id=1726
09:43 PM CaptHindsight: 3253 is the Device ID
09:44 PM CaptHindsight: those are ID's in hardware that are read off the PCI/e bus
09:44 PM CaptHindsight: they are supposed to identify the hardware to make plug and play possible
09:44 PM {HD}: alright, I follow you so far.
09:44 PM CaptHindsight: the kernel matches the ID's to drivers and it's supposed to work
09:46 PM CaptHindsight: it doesn't work if the ID's are not in the drivers
09:50 PM {HD}: CaptHindsight: Should I try to install the drivers from WCH?
09:50 PM {HD}: http://www.wch.cn/download/CH35XDRV_ZIP.html&usg=ALkJrhgdK-Bg7b8ZThxlNRyvxmFwNq6hgQ
09:50 PM {HD}: The readme is a little unclear...
09:53 PM {HD}: I just double check the chip on this card...its a CH353L
10:03 PM CaptHindsight: heh, that's a different device from the CH382
10:04 PM {HD}: Um, yea. Its a differenct card. I just got this one yesterday.
10:05 PM CaptHindsight: http://www.wch.cn/productcenter/2.html (Chinese)
10:06 PM CaptHindsight: http://www.wch.cn/product/CH353.html
10:07 PM {HD}: Yep, the drivers are on the bottom of your last link
10:07 PM {HD}: But, the instructions don't work and are generic
10:07 PM CaptHindsight: but no luck yet getting it working?
10:08 PM {HD}: CaptHindsight: I havent tried using the WCH.CN drivers yet. I am not sure how to install them into the debian system.
10:09 PM CaptHindsight: {HD}: I'm pretty tired now. How far do you get as is?
10:10 PM CaptHindsight: with RTAI 3.4-9?
10:10 PM CaptHindsight: are the lkernel drivers loading?
10:10 PM CaptHindsight: lkernek/kernel
10:11 PM {HD}: CaptHindsight: Its a clean linuxCNC install and there are some drivers loading because I have cce8 for my parport address and it works.
10:11 PM {HD}: CaptHindsight: My limits and steppers work.
10:11 PM {HD}: I just cannot reference the serial ports.
10:11 PM CaptHindsight: and the LPT port is on the same card as this?
10:12 PM {HD}: CaptHindsight: Yes.
10:12 PM {HD}: CaptHindsight: Its this one. https://www.amazon.com/Sienoc-Serial-Parallel-Printer-Computer/dp/B00XBX05V2/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1492742546&sr=8-3&keywords=serial+parallel+port
10:13 PM CaptHindsight: so the LPT module is loading and working
10:13 PM roycroft: you've read that engrish that says those serial ports cannot be addressed at 2f8 or 3f8, haven't you?
10:13 PM {HD}: CaptHindsight: Well, from what I can tell, yes. When I 'dmesg | grep par' I get no results though. And I am using what shows up as a serial address as a parport address.
10:14 PM roycroft: so you can't configure them as com 1 or com 2
10:14 PM CaptHindsight: how about the serial module? Is serial.ko or similar loading?
10:14 PM {HD}: CaptHindsight: I did not check if serial.ko is loading. I also, don't know how to check that.
10:14 PM roycroft: try configuring them as com 3 and com 4, if you haven't already
10:15 PM {HD}: roycroft: I don't know how to change the config. They defaulted to: http://dpaste.com/3M4TVFN
10:15 PM {HD}: 1 & 2 I believe.
10:16 PM roycroft: ok, so they're on a non-standard interrupt
10:16 PM roycroft: and you can't talk to ttyS0?
10:16 PM roycroft: or ttyS1?
10:17 PM {HD}: roycroft: I cannot. I tried to use putty to open comm to S0 and S1. I shorted pins 2 and 3 and I was unable to get any results.
10:17 PM CaptHindsight: ch38x/driver/wch.ko
10:18 PM roycroft: and you've set the baud rate correctly and turned off both hardware and software flow control?
10:18 PM {HD}: baud is set to what the VFD is set too...I have not touched any flow control settings (I don't know what flow control is)
10:19 PM {HD}: CaptHindsight: Huh?
10:20 PM CaptHindsight: Kernel driver in use: serial
10:20 PM roycroft: serial buffers can fill up
10:20 PM roycroft: flow control is a mechanism for one device to say to the other "hold on there - stop sending me data until i can flush my buffers"
10:20 PM CaptHindsight: {HD}: was reading the readme in the wch Linux drivers
10:20 PM roycroft: and then "ok, you can send again"
10:20 PM roycroft: that can be implemented in software, with xon and xoff signals sent in-band
10:21 PM roycroft: and it can be implemented in hardware, using the rts (ready to send) and cts (clear to send) signals
10:21 PM roycroft: both ends of the serial connection must have matching flow control parameters set
10:21 PM CaptHindsight: roycroft: what drivers is he loading now? Whatever RTAI 3.4-9 has using?
10:21 PM roycroft: i have no idea
10:22 PM CaptHindsight: ah
10:22 PM roycroft: i don't know much at all about linux and serial data
10:22 PM roycroft: i do know rs232 though
10:23 PM CaptHindsight: http://dpaste.com/3M4TVFN is this what he gets with the 3.4-9 RTAI from a new LCNC install?
10:23 PM * roycroft notes that there are mesanet daughter boards that are designed to control vfds :P
10:23 PM CaptHindsight: heh
10:23 PM roycroft: i don't know what that is
10:24 PM CaptHindsight: the kernel he's using found the serial and is trying to use the stock serial module driver
10:24 PM {HD}: the first 10 lines is the result of lspci -vv
10:24 PM roycroft: if it were me i'd go grab a vt320, hook it up to one of the serial ports, spawn a getty on the port, and try to log in
10:25 PM roycroft: and if it didn't work i'd plug a bob inline to see if the signals are right
10:25 PM CaptHindsight: {HD}: is that ouput using the stock RTAI 3.4-9 kernel?
10:25 PM {HD}: CaptHindsight: Yes, It is a fresh install with updates.
10:27 PM {HD}: uname -r 3.4-9-rtai-686-pae
10:29 PM CaptHindsight: looks like you have to use setserial
10:29 PM {HD}: Ok, I am willing to try anything.
10:30 PM CaptHindsight: http://serial.sourceforge.net/
10:30 PM CaptHindsight: the kernel know that there are serial ports but it doesn't know what type
10:32 PM {HD}: CaptHindsight: The driver dload link is "page not found"
10:33 PM CaptHindsight: http://cateee.net/lkddb/web-lkddb/PARPORT_SERIAL.html
10:34 PM {HD}: I don't know what I am looking at. Is it a new driver or a way to configure the existing driver?
10:35 PM {HD}: Ima go boot up the CNC machine again...
10:35 PM CaptHindsight: ah your board is not in 3.4-9
10:35 PM CaptHindsight: http://cateee.net/lkddb/web-lkddb/PARPORT_SERIAL.html
10:38 PM {HD}: Ok, I am on CNC machine now.
10:38 PM {HD}: Tell me what to do...Ill try anything.
10:39 PM CaptHindsight: http://www.wch.cn/downfile/112
10:39 PM CaptHindsight: you need to build the kernel module from this source
10:41 PM {HD}: Ok, Ill try to follow the instructions
10:42 PM CaptHindsight: and this is important you want to just modprobe wch if it doiesn't automatically load
10:42 PM CaptHindsight: you don't mess with insmod /temp/ch38x/driver/wch.ko
10:43 PM CaptHindsight: DRV_2S1P/ if you have the 1 LPT and 2 serial ports
10:45 PM CaptHindsight: the makefile builds a serial module that works with the 3.x kernels without having to build the entire kernel
10:46 PM {HD}: Ok I just finished make install
10:46 PM {HD}: So, I want to 'modprobe wch'?
10:48 PM {HD}: Ok, I did it. "sudo modprobe wch"
10:48 PM CaptHindsight: yesm use modprobe vs insmod
10:48 PM {HD}: user1@CNC:~/Downloads/DRV_2S1P/LINUX/driver$ lsmod | grep wch
10:48 PM {HD}: wch 399063 0
10:49 PM {HD}: Is that good?
10:50 PM {HD}: my 'dmesg | grep tty' and 'lspci -vv' has not changed...
10:51 PM CaptHindsight: did you build the wchterm to test it?
10:52 PM {HD}: CaptHindsight: NO! I am still following the instructions just for the driver...
10:53 PM CaptHindsight: it's in the DRV_2S1P/ Linux folder
10:53 PM CaptHindsight: next to the driver
10:53 PM {HD}: I just added 'modprobe wch' to /etc/init.d/rc.local
10:55 PM CaptHindsight: that might not the way to do it in Wheezy
10:55 PM CaptHindsight: it might be
10:55 PM CaptHindsight: have to check
10:55 PM CaptHindsight: build wchterm and try it to test the serial port
10:56 PM CaptHindsight: it did load properly for you
10:57 PM {HD}: CaptHindsight: http://dpaste.com/2VX0Z33
10:57 PM CaptHindsight: the kernel module that you built
10:59 PM CaptHindsight: you have to install the whatever Debia calls their ncurses package
10:59 PM CaptHindsight: Debia/Debian
10:59 PM CaptHindsight: that makefile is for other distros
11:00 PM CaptHindsight: what does Debian use for s serial terminal?
11:01 PM {HD}: ncurses-base is installed...
11:01 PM {HD}: there is a -bin and -term do I want those?
11:02 PM CaptHindsight: you need the dev version of the package
11:05 PM {HD}: Ugh, its not in the default repos
11:06 PM CaptHindsight: checking on a wheezy system here
11:07 PM CaptHindsight: libncurses5-dev
11:08 PM {HD}: CaptHindsight: Yea, libncurses5-dev is not in the default repos...I am looking for which it is in.
11:09 PM CaptHindsight: something is funny on your system since we found them here right away
11:10 PM {HD}: whoops, new install needed apt-get update
11:10 PM {HD}: mybad
11:11 PM {HD}: ok, I am in wchterm
11:11 PM CaptHindsight: can you test it?
11:11 PM Crom: yep brushes are toast in the spindle
11:11 PM CaptHindsight: I don't have it here
11:12 PM CaptHindsight: Crom: get brushes, replace brushes
11:13 PM CaptHindsight: {HD}: taking off
11:13 PM Crom: Maybe money I'll have some money..
11:13 PM Crom: I also hav the 300w... I can pull the brushes from there...
11:13 PM {HD}: CaptHindsight: Later. Thanks for the help!
11:13 PM CaptHindsight: adios, orweever, Als feet are sane
11:14 PM Crom: monday
11:14 PM CaptHindsight: {HD}: is working yes or no?
11:15 PM {HD}: CaptHindsight: I am in the WCHTERM tool...Trying to figure out what it does.
11:15 PM Crom: gotta find the 300w spindle
11:16 PM CaptHindsight: tty commands
11:18 PM {HD}: Then, no it is not working. I shorted pin 2 and 3 again. Dumb termainl (ascii) just hangs
11:19 PM {HD}: lsmod | grep wch
11:19 PM Crom: $47 till payday gtttt
11:20 PM {HD}: lol, irssi looks too similar to terminal...I was like WTH kind of results is "$47 till..." haha
11:21 PM CaptHindsight: {HD}: time for a USB serial terminal to test it or a scope to watch the signals
11:22 PM {HD}: CaptHindsight: Well, I have both those things. For tonight I think Ill just leave it as is. It is getting late...
11:22 PM {HD}: CaptHindsight: Thanks again for the help.
11:23 PM CaptHindsight: {HD}: try dmesg | grep tty
11:23 PM CaptHindsight: whats the output
11:23 PM CaptHindsight: ?
11:24 PM {HD}: user1@CNC:~/Downloads/DRV_2S1P/LINUX/wchterm$ dmesg | grep tty
11:24 PM {HD}: [ 0.000000] console [tty0] enabled
11:24 PM {HD}: [ 2.047806] 0000:04:05.0: ttyS0 at I/O 0xccd8 (irq = 17) is a XScale
11:24 PM {HD}: [ 2.047928] 0000:04:05.0: ttyS1 at I/O 0xcce0 (irq = 17) is a XScale
11:24 PM {HD}: user1@CNC:~/Downloads/DRV_2S1P/LINUX/wchterm$
11:24 PM {HD}: same as before it seems
11:26 PM CaptHindsight: it found them
11:26 PM {HD}: CaptHindsight: That is the same output as pre-driver update.
11:29 PM CaptHindsight: looks good
11:29 PM CaptHindsight: we just need to find the right IO pins
11:35 PM {HD}: Ok I just check that my gender changer is shorted on pins 2 and 3. I have flow control off...lets see what happens
11:36 PM {HD}: Well, dumb terminal is not behaving like a terminal...
11:37 PM {HD}: both putty and wchterm dont seem to work on S0 or S1
11:39 PM {HD}: Alright, Now I am really going to go. If you have anything to add please PM me so I can look in the morning.
11:40 PM CaptHindsight: maybe since both the same IRQ it's a problem
11:40 PM CaptHindsight: both serial ports
11:40 PM CaptHindsight: I see others with this issue however
11:41 PM CaptHindsight: {HD}: I'd have to look for patches for your device
11:42 PM CaptHindsight: I don't trust the module being built outside
11:44 PM CaptHindsight: maybe: turn on flow control on the receiving UART (if supported, should be!) using setserial with the flow_on parameter.
11:45 PM CaptHindsight: it's interesting to see an Xscale uart being used
11:45 PM CaptHindsight: I wonder if the silicon block is licensed from Marvell or if it's actually marvell silicon being sold by WCH
11:46 PM CaptHindsight: Xscale was old Intel ARM that was sold to Marvell
11:47 PM CaptHindsight: kind of a no brainer to design
11:47 PM CaptHindsight: PCI slave with Uarts and EPP block
11:49 PM CaptHindsight: on another note https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2017/4/20/15375842/plastc-bankrupt-campaign-fold-backers