#linuxcnc Logs

Apr 17 2017

12:03 AM Jymmm: cradek: java based ps drawing tool... http://www.sunsite.ubc.ca/DigitalMathArchive/Graphics/java/plot/draw.html
12:06 AM Jymmm: Java is no longer supported in FF https://www.java.com/en/download/help/firefox_java.xml
01:38 AM Crom: must be a memory leak in 2.8.0-pre1
01:57 AM XXCoder: purple createbot printer 28 left lol
01:57 AM XXCoder: 33 bucks plus up to 50% off if first time buy at wish lol
01:57 AM XXCoder: great parts source
02:26 AM Deejay: moin
02:27 AM IchGucksLive: morning from germay
02:27 AM XXCoder: or no more. its all sold out
02:27 AM XXCoder: too bad lol
02:27 AM XXCoder: ich you missed amazing deal, I dont think you use 3d printers but its $33 usd for tons of parts, worth maybe $100 to $150 lol
02:28 AM IchGucksLive: 3D printer are to slow for Education use on 45Min sessons
02:28 AM XXCoder: yeah like I said, strip parts out of it
02:28 AM XXCoder: make tiny cnc routers or something
02:28 AM IchGucksLive: thats what i do
02:29 AM IchGucksLive: the people around me did last year near 300 mashines
02:30 AM XXCoder: nicw
02:30 AM XXCoder: they get to keep bring home or?
02:30 AM IchGucksLive: this engish is to high for me
02:31 AM IchGucksLive: its in the schols self
02:31 AM XXCoder: do they get to keep the machine they made?
02:31 AM IchGucksLive: doing only with school stuff
02:31 AM XXCoder: ahh so machines belong to school alone
02:31 AM IchGucksLive: yes its most 5 or 12 or 25 mashiones one education room
02:32 AM IchGucksLive: the mashines are motly the same
02:32 AM IchGucksLive: only cheep tools are needed
02:32 AM IchGucksLive: if not the school aready has an old cnc
02:33 AM IchGucksLive: HAAS will start a new procet in the USA
02:33 AM XXCoder: haas ehh
02:33 AM IchGucksLive: so education keeps up
02:33 AM XXCoder: its okay
02:33 AM IchGucksLive: with there mashines
02:33 AM XXCoder: haha not likely
02:33 AM XXCoder: usa school has massive cuts
02:33 AM XXCoder: no money
02:34 AM IchGucksLive: its on a 5year payraid at returned mashines
02:34 AM IchGucksLive: BAD for hobbyists no more factory cheeps
02:34 AM XXCoder: yep
02:35 AM IchGucksLive: the calculation is on around 5000 mashines per year
02:35 AM XXCoder: usa is saying keep all jobs in usa but they keep exporting jobs outside usa
02:35 AM IchGucksLive: most old minimills and vf2
02:37 AM XXCoder: planned to work on my router get tachmeter to work
02:37 AM XXCoder: and do some stuff but been too sick whole weekend
02:38 AM IchGucksLive: my personal expirience is ((its a Europe Problem)) If near all makers are searching for good emplojees there is no teatcher left for EDU
02:38 AM IchGucksLive: and a AutoCarmaker meatall teatcher is not the best craftsman
02:39 AM IchGucksLive: so the USA Example to bvring real working craftsman in 2hr a week is a REAL GOOD Advance
02:40 AM XXCoder: education of kids is most important
02:40 AM IchGucksLive: also the shift between LATHE MILL DRILL MOLD.... makers is good
02:40 AM XXCoder: but usa definitely isnt focusing on this.
02:41 AM IchGucksLive: im taking about the special classes from standard school on
02:41 AM IchGucksLive: beside the 3year job build
02:41 AM XXCoder: indeed hobbies, craft so on
02:41 AM XXCoder: american sign language is 200 years old, couple days ago. dang.
02:42 AM IchGucksLive: professional school
02:42 AM IchGucksLive: Thats a realy good chance for people here in the channel to get there Brain in
02:42 AM IchGucksLive: AND even BETTER
02:42 AM XXCoder: that guys kinda crazy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3laSYjA2H3Y
02:42 AM IchGucksLive: you get access to real big mashines
02:43 AM XXCoder: I already do at work but yeah I see what you mean
02:43 AM IchGucksLive: crazy people are the tip of our mankind
02:44 AM IchGucksLive: its the old frase
02:44 AM XXCoder: lol ok
02:44 AM IchGucksLive: you need people around 30 on that with 40years expiriance
02:45 AM IchGucksLive: but they got other problems than going to teach youngsters
02:45 AM XXCoder: there is few programs like that
02:45 AM IchGucksLive: and the ones like me beond 60 are way out of the game
02:45 AM XXCoder: I worked at place where I was trained by experenced workers
02:45 AM IchGucksLive: there is even no programm to do
02:45 AM XXCoder: I have my current job thanks to that
02:45 AM IchGucksLive: it is the money is there if you ask
02:46 AM IchGucksLive: im doiing this on a 6m 40x20 AL pice
02:46 AM IchGucksLive: and a 16h7 and 28h7 rib
02:47 AM XXCoder: 16h7? 16 hours 7 days?
02:47 AM IchGucksLive: no the mini cnc are based oin this tools
02:48 AM IchGucksLive: XXCoder: if you querry me a mail i will send you the drawing zip
02:48 AM XXCoder: the design for cnc router?
02:48 AM IchGucksLive: the complete CAD construction
02:49 AM IchGucksLive: its open
02:49 AM IchGucksLive: based on FR4
02:49 AM XXCoder: sure pming email
02:52 AM IchGucksLive: mail is out
02:53 AM XXCoder: thanks
02:53 AM XXCoder: if i lived near deaf school
02:53 AM XXCoder: I would setup a cnc club
02:53 AM IchGucksLive: depends on cad system and dxf import on scaled parts there are DWG in
02:53 AM XXCoder: no printing though that takes forever.
02:54 AM IchGucksLive: the total selfmade cost is around 260Euros including all electronics and standard parts
02:55 AM IchGucksLive: for 80 USD more you get the 6040 version
02:55 AM IchGucksLive: as this is the limit on 16mm pin
02:55 AM IchGucksLive: then it is wobbeling chees
02:57 AM IchGucksLive: ok im off Gand children are in
02:57 AM XXCoder: later
02:57 AM IchGucksLive: familie time
04:43 AM gcardinal: hi! sorry for uber noob quastion - on mesa 7i76 when supplying 24V on VFIELD is it safe to plug NPN / PNP NO inductive proximity sensor to inputs on TB6 connector?
04:44 AM XXCoder: dont quote me isnt inputs 5v?
04:44 AM XXCoder: but same time I dont use mesa but just BOB
04:55 AM gcardinal: no idea, tried for figure it out for a few days now - english isn't my native language - and I find 7i76 manual especially challenging
05:07 AM TurBoss: Morning
05:08 AM TurBoss: what specs should a new computer have to get good latency results?
05:08 AM Tom_itx: gcardinal, jthornton will probably know when he wakes up
05:12 AM gcardinal: Tom_itx - ok, thank you!
05:12 AM TurBoss: I'm using a old P4 that gives 12k latency
05:16 AM gcardinal: TurBoss I went with Gigabyte GA-H81M-HD3, Intel G3250, Corsair CX450M and latency is below 15k on as-is no tweaking system
05:16 AM TurBoss: thanks
05:16 AM TurBoss: I knoe that the 990fx chipset is anounced as low latency but havent tested
05:28 AM jthornton: morning
05:29 AM XXCoder: hey
05:34 AM jthornton: gcardinal: the inputs must be PNP
05:34 AM jthornton: http://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/configs/7i77.html
06:03 AM gcardinal: jthornton ok thx!
06:06 AM gcardinal: TurBoss for the price GA-H81M-HD3 and with both LPT and COM ports it was no brainer for me. Got idea from posted hardware specs of tormach pathpilot
06:18 AM TurBoss: ok
06:35 AM * jthornton finally has a master uspace deb building
07:49 AM skunkworks: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dM7nd-h83HE
07:57 AM jthornton: wow we can run linuxcnc from my cell phone now?
10:32 AM zombieJesus is now known as insomnia
11:02 AM Jymmm: andypugh: You still running osx?
11:03 AM andypugh: On the Macs, yes.
11:05 AM Jymmm: andypugh: I had a majot hw failure, first aid useless, AHT useless, Couldn't even initially restore from TM, migration assistant corrupted the permissions. Just be sure you have whaever OS on a bootable media....
11:05 AM Jymmm: andypugh: I ususally make a 10gb partition on my TM hdd, and the balane for TM itself. has saved my ass big time
11:05 AM Jymmm: andypugh: Ever the recovery partition was useless,
11:06 AM andypugh: Last year I deleted the index of my TM backup. That was liberating.
11:06 AM andypugh: I have not had much trouble with the recovery partition, it has always worked when needed.
11:07 AM Jymmm: andypugh: It takes about 7 hours, but image your working hdd to a USB one. then you can always boot fro the ext usb drive if needed.
11:07 AM Jymmm: andypugh: Yeah, except when there's a HW failure, that's when the recovery partition become useless, couldn' even see drives.
11:07 AM andypugh: I can’t actually remember how I got round a recent-ish HD swap. Maybe I booted from an old DVD
11:09 AM Jymmm: andypugh: Like I said,what I've always done is create a 10GB partition, image the installer to it, then you can always boot/reinstall from it, use the balance of the hdd for your backups.
11:09 AM andypugh: The first approach is to use a feature called Internet Recovery. Newer Macs are able to boot directly from an internet connection, even with no recovery drive available. Here is how to use OS X Internet Recovery:
11:09 AM andypugh: Shut down your Mac.
11:09 AM andypugh: Hold down Command-Option-R and press the Power button.
11:09 AM Jymmm: then your TM drive has both your backups and installer on it.
11:10 AM andypugh: That’s what I did, Internet Revovery.
11:10 AM Jymmm: andypugh: Sure, when recovery can SEE things. but it couldn't, that was the issue,
11:10 AM Jymmm: andypugh: Ewwww, intenet recovery takes 6 hours
11:10 AM andypugh: Yeah, I went to bed
11:10 AM Jymmm: andypugh: Heh, yeah. That's if you have internet
11:11 AM Jymmm: rough if you are someplace without internet.
11:11 AM Jymmm: workshop, etc
11:15 AM andypugh: You are no worse off in that situation than before internet Reovery
11:16 AM Jymmm: andypugh: Well, I have every version of OSX from 10.4 on the nas box, luckily enough.
11:18 AM Jymmm: andypugh: the onyl weird thing is AHT requires internet... I'll resolve that this week... bastards.
11:31 AM nallar is now known as Ross
12:04 PM roycroft: https://eugene.craigslist.org/tls/6091330885.html
12:04 PM roycroft: so even though i can't really afford a lathe right now, i found that
12:05 PM roycroft: it's not a bad price, but i don't know if the guy has the 4-jaw, faceplate, and change gears
12:05 PM roycroft: if he doesn't it would have to be even cheaper
12:05 PM jdh: enough room for a ballnut in their
12:05 PM jdh: unlike my jet 9x
12:06 PM roycroft: i would use it as a manual lathe, at least for a while
12:06 PM roycroft: but yes, a 12x36 has more room for that kind of stuff
12:07 PM roycroft: i need to do some 6" diameter turning, so having an 8" or 10" chuck would be useful
12:07 PM jdh: want a jet 9x?
12:07 PM roycroft: if it's free, perhaps :)
12:08 PM roycroft: i really want a 12x36, or at least a 12x24 right now
12:08 PM zeeshan: anyone here run pex tubing before?
12:10 PM jdh: sadly
12:11 PM cradek: zeeshan: lots of it
12:11 PM zeeshan: cradek
12:11 PM zeeshan: imm trying to install a frost proof faucet
12:11 PM zeeshan: for the exterior
12:11 PM zeeshan: do i need special tools for it?
12:11 PM zeeshan: ive seen a crimper before
12:11 PM zeeshan: but do i need something to expand the inside of the tubing
12:11 PM cradek: yes you need a crimper for pex
12:11 PM roycroft: you need an expander
12:12 PM roycroft: you expand the end of the tubing
12:12 PM roycroft: insert the fitting
12:12 PM cradek: ?? I've never used an expander
12:12 PM zeeshan: can i get away without using an expander
12:12 PM roycroft: and it shrinks back to size
12:12 PM zeeshan: cause its an expensive tool
12:12 PM zeeshan: the crimper isnt bad
12:12 PM cradek: no
12:12 PM cradek: pex slides on easily and then you crimp it
12:12 PM roycroft: that's they way i've seen it done
12:12 PM roycroft: perhaps there are different types of pex fittings
12:12 PM cradek: that must be something else
12:12 PM roycroft: i haven't done it, but i've watched folks do pex stuff
12:12 PM roycroft: they expand, insert, and then it just shrinks back down
12:13 PM roycroft: no crimp connector
12:13 PM cradek: that's not the pex I know
12:13 PM cradek: zeeshan: do you have a picture of your parts?
12:13 PM zeeshan: oh
12:13 PM zeeshan: i havent bought them yet
12:13 PM zeeshan: i went to use my faucet
12:13 PM zeeshan: it pissed all over inside the basement
12:13 PM zeeshan: im trying to replace it with a frost proof faucet that looks like this:
12:13 PM zeeshan: http://www.homedepot.com/catalog/productImages/400/19/1955700e-bc23-4e34-8ed8-facc8dca4f81_400.jpg
12:13 PM roycroft: it appears there are two types of pex fittings
12:14 PM zeeshan: so its bolted on the outside
12:14 PM roycroft: crimp fittings and expansion fittings
12:14 PM zeeshan: and then a flexible pex connection
12:14 PM zeeshan: so i dont have to sit there solder in a tight spot
12:14 PM zeeshan: man this is greart
12:14 PM cradek: http://www.pexuniverse.com/content/how-install-pex-tubing-installation
12:14 PM zeeshan: on my day off im frigging plumbing
12:14 PM zeeshan: lol
12:14 PM cradek: this is what I'm familiar with
12:14 PM gregcnc: was it leaking and froze?
12:14 PM cradek: this looks like your faucet's connector
12:14 PM zeeshan: gregcnc: not sure
12:15 PM zeeshan: i did have the faucet open
12:15 PM zeeshan: so im not sure why it burst the copper pipe
12:15 PM gregcnc: so there was water in it?
12:15 PM zeeshan: no
12:15 PM zeeshan: it was dry when i pulled it apart
12:15 PM gregcnc: hmm odd
12:15 PM zeeshan: i have that tool from step one. it looks like the same tool for cutting cvac piping
12:17 PM cradek: super useful tool
12:17 PM zeeshan: http://www.canadiantire.ca/en/pdp/apollo-pex-crimp-tool-0631493p.html#srp
12:17 PM zeeshan: 58 bux for the tool
12:17 PM cradek: after getting the crimper adjusted I stopped testing them all with the gauge
12:18 PM cradek: huh I thought mine was $hundreds
12:18 PM zeeshan: you prolly have a fancy one
12:18 PM zeeshan: its on sale
12:18 PM cradek: it weighs like 100 lbs
12:18 PM zeeshan: !??!
12:18 PM cradek: the handles are 7 feet long
12:18 PM cradek: ok I'm probably exaggerating
12:18 PM zeeshan: what were you crimping!@
12:18 PM cradek: but it's a formidable crimper
12:19 PM zeeshan: need to figure out what size tubing is there
12:36 PM IchGucksLive: hi from Germany
12:42 PM IchGucksLive: gcardinal: still oin
12:43 PM IchGucksLive: gcardinal: the sensors are 9-30V most of so you can use them Direct
12:51 PM Crom: I have a arduino uno with a 9v ps plugged in. On a bread board i have vin from uno to my sensor power rail. 5v to the other power rail. Using 2n2222 to switch the BOB pins. Common ground.
12:51 PM skunkworks: our crimper only does 1/2 pex - and it is heavy
12:52 PM Jymmm: Sharkbite fittings need no crimper
12:54 PM IchGucksLive: today i fixed the Knitting machine from my daughter
12:54 PM IchGucksLive: a nightmare on all this neadels
12:54 PM Crom: I'm waiting for mice or rats to chew through my pex
12:55 PM * Jymmm hands Crom a jar of PB to spread on the pex.
12:55 PM Crom: IchGucksLive: sure are... I tolf my mum, not me... Send it out... If you want it fixed
12:56 PM IchGucksLive: not me
12:56 PM roycroft: i had a rat chew through the waterline to my dishwasher, which was covered with a stainless steel braid
12:56 PM IchGucksLive: fixing first hand
12:56 PM roycroft: it was on new year's eve, just after midnight
12:56 PM Crom: Jymmm: heh... I'll box it in when i get some money
12:56 PM roycroft: i had to kick all my guests out and head to stop the flood and clean up
12:57 PM roycroft: head to the kitchen
12:57 PM Crom: roycroft: ouch..
12:58 PM Crom: At least you were up
12:58 PM roycroft: it's impressive what rats can do
12:58 PM roycroft: yes
12:58 PM roycroft: it would have been a lot worse had i been sleeping
12:58 PM roycroft: it would probably have taken quite a while before i noticed there was a flood
12:58 PM roycroft: as it was i caught it after just a minute or so
12:59 PM roycroft: i heard the odd sound, pondered for a few seconds, and then went to the source of the sound to investigate
12:59 PM Crom: Pops had a bar sink pop a hot... It ran for three days.... Replaced all the sheet rock 1/2 way up the walls downstairs
12:59 PM andypugh: I have two very similar LinuxCNC boxes. One allows my Mac to share files through samba, the other doesn’t. The smb.conf files are identical
01:00 PM Jymmm: Crom: OUCH
01:00 PM roycroft: after i repaired the water line, i got some expanding foam and filled up the wall cavity where the rat had come in
01:00 PM roycroft: but not totally filled
01:00 PM roycroft: i then put some hardware cloth inside the hole, pressed up against the foam
01:00 PM roycroft: and foamed that in place
01:00 PM Jymmm: andypugh: Sounds like "very similar" is subjective =)
01:00 PM roycroft: so far, no sign of any rat trying to break in again
01:00 PM andypugh: Jymmm: Both live-cd installs
01:00 PM Crom: Rip out all the carpet, staple the pine floor boards back down and resand them a year later
01:00 PM Jymmm: andypugh: Same versions?
01:01 PM andypugh: Yes
01:01 PM Jymmm: andypugh: different nics?
01:02 PM andypugh: I assume so, it would be hard for them to share
01:02 PM roycroft: lathe guy got back to me
01:02 PM Jymmm: andypugh: I meant on the the systems
01:02 PM roycroft: he has the change gears, but not the faceplate or 4-jaw
01:02 PM Crom: I've been fighting samba for a week trying to get windows 10 to print to it on a rasberrypi3
01:02 PM roycroft: i still might be interested, if he'll come down on price
01:03 PM roycroft: maybe $600?
01:03 PM roycroft: does that seem fair?
01:03 PM andypugh: Crom: I had a Pi as a prnt server, using cups.
01:03 PM roycroft: https://eugene.craigslist.org/tls/6091330885.html
01:03 PM roycroft: that's the lathe
01:03 PM andypugh: roycroft: You probably won’t miss the faceplate.
01:03 PM Crom: 4 jaw is essential
01:03 PM roycroft: no, not at all
01:03 PM roycroft: but i absolutely need the 4-jaw
01:03 PM roycroft: and it will probably cost me $250 or so to get one
01:03 PM roycroft: plus i need a tool holder
01:04 PM Crom: Or more..
01:04 PM andypugh: No toolpost is a problem.
01:04 PM roycroft: i might want to put a 10" 4 jaw on it
01:04 PM andypugh: And it would not be my first choice of lathe
01:04 PM Crom: roycroft: i have a shars axa clone with wedge works well
01:04 PM roycroft: it's not my first choice either, andypugh
01:05 PM Crom: Dont get the button on
01:05 PM roycroft: but it might be all i can afford right now
01:05 PM Crom: One
01:05 PM roycroft: there's this one too, but i bet the guy wants at least $2k for it:
01:05 PM roycroft: https://eugene.craigslist.org/tls/6090305284.html
01:06 PM roycroft: and i think i'd prefer a jet to a birmingham
01:06 PM roycroft: birmingham is kind of harbor freight-ish
01:07 PM roycroft: a 12" swing lathe needs an bxa doesn't it?
01:08 PM roycroft: or will an axa work, but just barely?
01:08 PM andypugh: Can you find the money and space for https://roseburg.craigslist.org/tls/6042746909.html ?
01:08 PM Crom: Barely
01:08 PM roycroft: we've discussed the cazeneuve before, andypugh
01:08 PM roycroft: i'd love to get that
01:08 PM roycroft: and i did see it's been reposted
01:09 PM roycroft: the listing got pulled for a couple weeks
01:09 PM roycroft: but i've neither the funds nor the space for that
01:09 PM andypugh: Listing says 6000 title says 5000
01:09 PM roycroft: you've assured me it would be the best lathe within 100 miles of me
01:09 PM roycroft: yeah, the price has dropped
01:09 PM Crom: Id get it in a heart beat if i had the money
01:09 PM roycroft: but i just had to spend $3000 on an engine for my car
01:10 PM roycroft: so even if i wanted to stretch/finance i could not swing it right now
01:10 PM IchGucksLive: im off Gn8
01:10 PM andypugh: So this one is right out? https://roseburg.craigslist.org/tls/6089815957.html
01:10 PM roycroft: it is
01:10 PM roycroft: there is also a very long, 12% grade hill between here and roseburg
01:11 PM roycroft: i would need to hire a substantial vehicle in order to haul anything big from there - my pickup would not handle it
01:11 PM Jymmm: 12% ?! That's not a grade that's a cliff dive!
01:11 PM Jymmm: suicide run!
01:11 PM roycroft: yup
01:11 PM roycroft: it's pretty damn steep
01:11 PM roycroft: and lots of people's vehicles blow up or over heat on that hill
01:11 PM roycroft: 6% is freeway spec
01:11 PM roycroft: but not all freeways can be built to spec
01:12 PM Crom: Just need a transfer case and go 2mm minute up the grade... Pack food and water fir a week... See you next year...
01:12 PM roycroft: in the summer, folks who live nearby leave gallon jugs of water on the side of the pullout lanes all the way up the hill
01:13 PM andypugh: 12% is 1 in 8?
01:13 PM Crom: Yep
01:13 PM andypugh: That’s not all that steep is it?
01:13 PM Jymmm: roycroft: How long is this run?
01:13 PM roycroft: about 2 miles
01:13 PM roycroft: really long for how steep it is
01:13 PM Crom: andypugh: in a vehicle it is...
01:13 PM andypugh: I’ll grant you that
01:13 PM Jymmm: seems short to me.
01:14 PM roycroft: at 6% perhaps
01:15 PM roycroft: even on the 6% passes/summits heavy trucks have to pull over onto the shoulder because they have to go so slowly
01:15 PM roycroft: and volkswagens
01:15 PM andypugh: I was brought up in a hilly area, so anything less than 20% isn’t a hill. I used to cycle up here: https://goo.gl/maps/FYPXeJBCZNQ2
01:16 PM andypugh: (But not carrying a lathe)
01:16 PM roycroft: so while less than ideal, if i got that jet lathe for $600 does that seem reasonable?
01:16 PM Jymmm: andypugh: (wuss)
01:17 PM archivist: My granny lived on mill street Gt Torrington that is about 1 in 5, they have made it one way now for the wimps
01:18 PM andypugh: archivist: I think Capel Street is 1:4. It’s not tarmacced because it’s too steep for road rollers…
01:19 PM archivist: there was an article on the BBC website a couple of weeks ago, mentioned the "Hovis" hill
01:20 PM andypugh: roycroft: Hard to say what is reasonable. I sold a similar lathe with a milling head and CNC conversion, two chucks and 12 tool-holders for £1000 last year. All ready to plug-in and use.
01:20 PM archivist: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-38568893
01:22 PM roycroft: the average taiwan import 12x36 goes for $2k+ around here, with 3-jaw, 4-jaw, change gears, steady rest, toolpost, and stand
01:22 PM roycroft: there's a jet 12x40 stand on cl for $150 that would work nicely if the center apron were cut down a bit
01:22 PM Crom: Ugh... Time to get out of bed... Do battle with samba
01:22 PM roycroft: or i could build a stand
01:26 PM Crom: Put adjustable feet on it
01:26 PM roycroft: if i were to get the $150 stand i'd put levelers on the bases
01:26 PM roycroft: if i were to build one i'd do the same
01:27 PM roycroft: and the lathe would live where it would never need to be moved, so i wouldn't have to deal with casters and relevelling it all the time
01:27 PM Crom: Mine doesn't
01:28 PM andypugh: archivist: You can see my sister’s house in this photo. Not sure if the street quite competes with that one in Bristol. (and it is shorter). https://goo.gl/maps/4Jw3UcRXzbE2
01:29 PM archivist: cannot see anything on google maps/images/drive on this browser
01:29 PM roycroft: well i sent the guy an offer for $600
01:29 PM roycroft: i figure $500 for a 4-jaw and a bxa qctp
01:29 PM Crom: ahhh probing failed... again... got further this time though... Y 5.5, last time Y was 3.7
01:29 PM roycroft: and i can probably make that much money happen
01:31 PM andypugh: roycroft: Are you set on BXA? These Multifix clones are prettier: http://www.createtool.com/list.asp?cid=33
01:32 PM roycroft: oh, that's not a bad price
01:32 PM roycroft: i would prefer multifix
01:32 PM roycroft: but the real thing is hella expensive
01:33 PM sync_: it's ok, making your own cartridges is suprisingly annoying
01:33 PM nallar is now known as Ross
01:33 PM andypugh: I have a Create clone on my Holbrook, perfectly happy with it. And “Nina” at Create is quick and helpful in emails.
01:33 PM sync_: you have to wire cut them
01:33 PM roycroft: i'll keep that page bookmarked
01:34 PM andypugh: Create sell (but don’t list) blanks (all that is missing is the slot) for $30
01:34 PM roycroft: pricing for that stuff is similar to bxa
01:34 PM roycroft: and those are as repeatable as the real thing?
01:35 PM andypugh: I don’t know, not having the real thing. But they seem a lot more repaeatable than the Dickson clone that was on my previos lathe.
01:35 PM archivist: multifix is good for a hand lathe, dunno about cnc easy to rotate when you dont want to
01:36 PM andypugh: I haven’t found it too much of a problem, and in theory you could have a tool-table entry for every tool holder and position.
01:36 PM sync_: they don't rotate
01:36 PM sync_: you pin the body in place
01:36 PM archivist: we had multifix on the Schaublin at the clockworks
01:37 PM archivist: ours did , it clicks around
01:37 PM sync_: well, you can put it in clocked
01:37 PM archivist: the pulling mechanism
01:37 PM roycroft: i'll see what the guy says
01:37 PM roycroft: that birmingham has power x-feed, which is nice
01:37 PM roycroft: but i'm sure he wants too much money for it
01:38 PM roycroft: there's a guy in north eugene trying to sell a 20+ year old 12x36 grizzly for $3k
01:38 PM roycroft: i can buy it new for less than that
01:38 PM andypugh: But his is a Classic!
01:38 PM roycroft: it's ridiculous what folks ask for around here for machinery
01:38 PM roycroft: pre-camlock spindle
01:39 PM roycroft: i'm sure this jet has a threaded spindle
01:39 PM roycroft: likely 1-1/2x8
01:39 PM andypugh: Not to be confused with a pre-cambrian spindle?
01:39 PM roycroft: but for the price i can live with it
01:39 PM roycroft: pre-cambrian spindles are just sticks
01:40 PM andypugh: I don’t think they are
01:40 PM roycroft: i don't remember, so i'll defer to your wisdom
01:40 PM andypugh: I am wrong..
01:40 PM roycroft: they would be simple sticks
01:42 PM andypugh: The first trees evolved (were created?) in the Devonian, so there would have been pre-cambrian sticks.
01:44 PM Crom: My Sheldon is a 1-3/4-8 nose. Grizzly has a 1-3/4-8 nose lathe... also with a ASME 4.5 taper bore as well
01:44 PM roycroft: the guy said he'd take $600
01:44 PM Crom: most ly incorrectly id'd as a morse taper 4.5
01:44 PM roycroft: this looks doable
01:45 PM roycroft: and he is willing to power it up before i get it
01:45 PM andypugh: You could use the lathe to make a camlock spindle for itself, if you cared.
01:45 PM roycroft: that might be an interesting project at some point
01:45 PM andypugh: (I am actually making a camlock spindle at the moment)
01:46 PM roycroft: the grizzly threaded spindle lathes have locking clamps to hold the chuck in place after it's installed, so it can be run in reverse
01:46 PM roycroft: i'm not sure i'd run a lathe in reverse often
01:46 PM R2E4_bevins1: Hi guys and girls
01:46 PM roycroft: i do that when knurling sometimes
01:46 PM roycroft: but it's not essential even for that
01:46 PM andypugh: https://goo.gl/photos/r5uTviAdt1mU4eqd6 is progress to date. You might note the lack of locking cams in the camlock.
01:46 PM R2E4_bevins1: If I select a tool, does linuxcnc automagically use the tool offsets in the tool table?
01:47 PM andypugh: R2E4_bevins1: No, not without a G43 command
01:47 PM Crom: hmmm the slower I probe... the further it'll go before erroring out
01:47 PM R2E4_bevins1: ok thanks
01:48 PM gregcnc: Are X and Y not applied automatically?
01:48 PM R2E4_bevins1: That would probably be why its not working....
01:48 PM Crom: maybe not... just remembered this was 0.5mm step over...
01:48 PM andypugh: There is an INI file option to make G43 automatic.
01:48 PM Crom: so I'm back to thinking it's a memory leak
01:50 PM andypugh: R2E4_bevins1: The auto-G43 is hidden in the docs in an unexpected place: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/remap/remap.html#_optional_interpreter_features_ini_file_configuration
01:50 PM R2E4_bevins1: lol, thanks
01:50 PM andypugh: But that still needs a G43 to turn it on.
01:51 PM gregcnc: how does lathe mode do it?
01:52 PM R2E4_bevins1: or I can do it when I exit the remap everytime....
01:53 PM gregcnc: normally the program has it after the tool change
01:53 PM R2E4_bevins1: I'm not too comfortable with what the docs say. It is experimental and it changes the opeation opf legal NGC and could be argued buggy....
01:57 PM R2E4_bevins1: Wa going to apply them in the remap but self.stat.tool_table doesnt work as expected
01:58 PM R2E4_bevins1: returns garbage....
02:26 PM archivist: scruffy thimble shame about the rest http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/162478158572?ul_noapp=true
02:28 PM gregcnc: doesn't even read 1/10ths?
02:28 PM archivist: the thimble is better than tenths
02:30 PM gregcnc: lol fail, yeah
02:31 PM andypugh: Is it smaller than it looks?
02:31 PM roycroft: so i'm to go look at the lathe today or tomorrow after work
02:31 PM archivist: might be the same thimble on http://www.archivist.info/cnc/bench_micrometer/IMG_2018.JPG
02:31 PM archivist: about 2 inches diameter
02:32 PM gregcnc: that type of mic head is all over ebay www.ebay.com/itm/182531834842
02:33 PM andypugh: Looks like he replaced the fancy contact-pressure widget with something made on a pre-cambrian spindle :-)
02:33 PM archivist: some incomplete and one complete http://www.archivist.info/cnc/bench_micrometer/
02:34 PM archivist: amazing how badly described most are on ebay
02:34 PM andypugh: “precision nutcracker” ?
02:35 PM archivist: this is the other joke that has been on for months http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Bench-Micrometer-0-4-by-Sigma-Instead-Co-Ltd-C-W-Mitutoyo-Dial-Gauge-vintage-/222425547884
02:36 PM archivist: as if a dial gauge makes up for the proper fudicial indicator
02:36 PM gregcnc: this is much nicer www.ebay.com/itm/232240412458
02:37 PM archivist: aint paying that price!
02:37 PM andypugh: Unfortunately they won’t ship to the UK anyway.
02:38 PM gregcnc: if you're paying asking price i'm sure they'd make it work
02:38 PM archivist: they have come up on my watch list cheaper
02:39 PM gregcnc: i wonder if i need a bench mic www.ebay.com/itm/122444332091
02:40 PM archivist: keep watching you may well get better cheaper
02:41 PM andypugh: This auction could have used a second photo: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MOORE-AND-WRIGHT-M-W-MICROMETER-DR1044-/311747420879
02:41 PM andypugh: Ah, my mistake, they have some lower down inside the listing (eedjuts!)
02:42 PM andypugh: Hmm, actually, that’s quite nice
02:42 PM archivist: hmm they linked a nice one , I know what it is http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ex-British-Rail-Vintage-Moore-Wright-Dielectric-Loss-Jig-Fair-Condition-in-box/382043608692
02:44 PM archivist: I think there is something missing, the manual for a start
02:46 PM andypugh: I guess if you know that you need one you know how to use one?
02:48 PM roycroft: andypugh: regarding that multifix tool holder
02:48 PM roycroft: it looks like the "A" size is supposed to work with 150-300mm swing lathes
02:48 PM roycroft: the one i may get is 12", which would be 305mm
02:49 PM roycroft: if i just make the base a wee bit taller should that be fine?
02:49 PM roycroft: the "A" size is rated to 2kw
02:49 PM gregcnc: www.ebay.com/itm/132045823608 older Mit digital bench mic
02:49 PM roycroft: and i think the lathe i'm looking at is 2hp, so that part should be fine
02:50 PM andypugh: Multifix suggest sizing on the basis of top-slide width, let me find the sizing guide:
02:50 PM archivist: andypugh, not seen that form of dialectric measuring before, I have another in a text book using waveguides and microwaves
02:50 PM Crom: sheeshz... TL-68 is $90 2.4ghz, TL-66 2.3Ghz is $20
02:51 PM andypugh: http://www.lathes.co.uk/multifix/ (but actually, that is holder sizes, not toolpost sizes, so I was confused)
02:52 PM roycroft: thank you
02:52 PM roycroft: that looks like exactly what i need
03:22 PM Crom: wish configure for linuxcnc had a --fix-deps switch...
03:23 PM sync_: oh interesting andypugh
03:23 PM sync_: I bought around 10 AXA holders for a reasonable price
03:23 PM sync_: but sometimes I want a solid block of tool steel to make custom stuff
03:24 PM Guest87685: In diesem Tutorial (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AB98VzYxDvY) wird eine Gantry-Maschine einfach über den Wizzard aufgesetzt. Heißt das, dass man die gantrykins nicht mehr benutzt?
03:25 PM andypugh: Hotwire XYUV ?
03:26 PM Jymmm: If you ever buy CORSAIR ram, SAVE THE RECEIPT (or take a photo of it at the very least)!!!!!!
03:28 PM Crom: Jymmm: heh I have 2 sticks of Corsair 2GB in a laptop..
03:28 PM Jymmm: Crom: Just went thru the RMA hassels of their "lifetime waranty" bs
03:29 PM Jymmm: Had to look back years of receipts to find it.
03:29 PM Crom: ouch...
03:30 PM Jymmm: They REFUSE to honor the lifetime warranty without a receipt, that you upload a a copy of when you open an rma ticket online.
03:30 PM Guest87685: Nein, ich baue gerade eine normale Gantrymaschine X,Y,Y,Z.
03:30 PM Crom: that machine has a TL-50 amd turion 1.6ghz cpu in it... thinking about upgrading the CPU to a TL-66
03:31 PM Jymmm: Crom: Then, you have to give a CC if you want advanced replacement sent out.
03:31 PM Crom: eeeshz...
03:32 PM Jymmm: Eh, the last one is par for the course, everyone abused it over the years.
03:33 PM Jymmm: But REQUIRING a recipt for LIFETIME WARRANTY, that's just bullshit.
03:34 PM Crom: I'd hate to have to go through my receipt drawer... it has shit in there over 20years old
03:35 PM SpeedEvil: Jymmm: In principle, if I was a nasty person, and was employed recycling computers, ...
03:35 PM Crom: in my manual drawer... I have manuals for dishwashers over 30 years ago..
03:35 PM Jymmm: Well, I got lucky. I just had to remember when I bought it, and I knew that because I looked up my old emails as to when I bought this imac off of craigslist,
03:36 PM Crom: my Corsair memory was in a donation
03:36 PM Jymmm: SpeedEvil: Not really, lifetime is lifetime, if they offer a warranty, that shouldn't be an issue at all.
03:36 PM SpeedEvil: Jymmm: I mean I would intentionally break them
03:37 PM Jymmm: SpeedEvil: Eh, I suppose, but if it's working, there would be no need to.
03:37 PM Crom: I'm looking for a 750GB sata 2.5 HD on ebay right now... ugh,
03:38 PM Jymmm: oh 2.5, nm
03:38 PM SpeedEvil: Jymmm: I mean wait until they've run out of stock, then do the lifetime warranty thing for cash
03:38 PM Jymmm: I just bought a 3TB 3.5" from bestbuy for $49
03:39 PM Jymmm: SpeedEvil: I doubt they would cash out thatn give you "store credit"
03:39 PM Crom: nice
03:40 PM Jymmm: I'm going to have to return it too, my ext case only sees 780GB of the 3TB
03:42 PM Jymmm: Though, I might pull pull out the used C2D hp I bought off ebay and see if it recognises it all
03:42 PM Jymmm: it's the only thing that I have that I can easily open up with sata ports
03:43 PM Crom: I'm using ebay usb to sata/esata dongle to access my externals... sees the 1TB fine
03:43 PM Jymmm: Oh yeah, 1tb no problem on the usb2sata
03:43 PM Jymmm: I got lots of them
03:44 PM Crom: page 3 and I'm only to 160GB drives
03:44 PM Jymmm: but this is my ext DVD-R, I just opened it and plugged in the hdd
03:47 PM Jymmm: Crom: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817392031
03:47 PM Jymmm: Crom: thats what I have, with INTERNAL PS =)
03:54 PM asdfasd is now known as asdfasd1
04:09 PM roycroft: i read a forum post at lunch that suggested that the jet lathe that i'm looking at has an m65x8tpi spindle thread
04:09 PM roycroft: which means i'm not going to find a back plate for a chuck that fits it
04:09 PM roycroft: i would have to make my own
04:11 PM andypugh: Luckily you will have a lathe….
04:12 PM roycroft: yes, but only with the 3 jaw
04:13 PM roycroft: the other research that i've done suggests that the older jets are actually pretty decent, and better than the newer ones
04:14 PM roycroft: there are some backplate blanks available designed for 1-1/2"x8tpi spindles
04:14 PM roycroft: that could be bored out larger for the 65mm thread
04:14 PM XXCoder: roy yeah sometimes companies dive on quality
04:15 PM roycroft: jet moved manufacturing from taiwan to mainland china back in the '80s or early '90s
04:15 PM XXCoder: my fowler caliper is before that point and its quite high quality. current fowlers is apparently crap.
04:15 PM roycroft: that's when the quality declined
04:16 PM roycroft: i've never made a backplate before
04:17 PM XXCoder: fak it, calling in sick
04:17 PM XXCoder: I really dont want to stand around and work in this condition
04:17 PM XXCoder: is it little more than just sheet metal with holes to bolt on?
04:18 PM sync_: not really, as you machine the front in place
04:18 PM sync_: so there is not much to go wrong
04:19 PM roycroft: i'm more concerned about cutting the threads
04:19 PM roycroft: i don't know how i would hold the thing in place to thread it
04:20 PM sync_: with the three jaw chuck
04:20 PM roycroft: sure, but it's not big enough
04:20 PM sync_: it is
04:20 PM XXCoder: cheat
04:20 PM XXCoder: glue it on
04:20 PM XXCoder: use heat unlock glue
04:20 PM sync_: you can bore the plate, hold it on an arbor and then machine a step
04:21 PM sync_: or bond it, yeah
04:22 PM XXCoder: saw guy use surifical alum rod
04:22 PM XXCoder: finished face off it, added circles depressions
04:22 PM roycroft: yeah, boring it, holding it on an arbor, and machining a step would work
04:22 PM XXCoder: glue part on, do stuff, use heat gun to pop it off
04:22 PM XXCoder: clickspring
04:24 PM Deejay: gn8
04:25 PM SpeedEvil: I thought he used CA
04:25 PM sync_: yup
04:27 PM sync_: bathing in acetone works as well
04:27 PM XXCoder: CA?
04:28 PM sync_: cyanoacrylate
04:28 PM sync_: "superglue"
04:28 PM XXCoder: ah yeah
04:29 PM XXCoder: saw guy use CA to finish wood
04:29 PM XXCoder: looks really amazing
04:33 PM Crom: there linuxcnc computer up on a shelf
04:34 PM andypugh: A glue chuck for threading 8TPI might be ambitious. Depending on whether you are starting with a machined backplate or a rough casting.
04:34 PM sync_: I wouldn't think so, with a lot of surface area that would work fine
04:36 PM XXCoder: lot surface, gentle touch maybe dunnop
04:36 PM XXCoder: andy clickspring used that though not to thread a part
04:39 PM roycroft: aah, this would work
04:39 PM roycroft: http://www.grizzly.com/products/SB1387?utm_campaign=zPage&utm_source=grizzly.com
04:39 PM roycroft: i'd just turn an arbor to fit the bore, and it would be easy to go from there
04:40 PM andypugh: You don’t need the thick one.
04:41 PM roycroft: yeah, it would not need to be very thick
04:42 PM andypugh: See if you can get a second-hand chuck with a modifiable backplate, before you buy one.
04:43 PM roycroft: sure
04:43 PM roycroft: first i have to go look at this lathe and see if i really want it
04:43 PM roycroft: i don't want to go putting the chuck before the lathe
04:45 PM XXCoder: lol createbot is pissed
04:45 PM XXCoder: someone at wish sold createbots at $33 each which is way below their minium price
04:45 PM roycroft: i wonder if i have some old cast iron barbell weights still
04:46 PM XXCoder: roy yeah good idea look at machine first
04:46 PM roycroft: i bet i could find one big enough to make a backing plate
04:46 PM andypugh: Also, you should be able to find them cheaper. http://www.warco.co.uk/back-plates/303042-boxford-lathe-backplate.html for example
04:47 PM andypugh: (wrong country, wrong size, but better price)
04:47 PM roycroft: grizzly really hype the south bend name
04:47 PM roycroft: but i knew they had them, so i looked there first
04:55 PM andypugh: Someone here says that the tread is 8 x 600mm (he might be wrong) http://www.chaski.org/homemachinist/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=90733&sid=daf7132fa5ed3a52ca1840bef4567b1e&start=12#p219545
04:57 PM andypugh: Incidentally, M65 x 8 tpi is really unlikely. M65 x 3 maybe?
04:57 PM roycroft: it's the 1236PY that i'm looking at, not the 1236PS
04:57 PM roycroft: i don't know the difference
04:57 PM andypugh: Y and S?
04:57 PM roycroft: yes
04:58 PM andypugh: Or you think there are other difference :-)
04:58 PM roycroft: there could be
04:58 PM roycroft: and it could possibly involve the spindle
04:59 PM andypugh: Indeed
04:59 PM andypugh: Can you source a test bar and a DTI to run some tests?
04:59 PM roycroft: i saw a post that says the 1236PY has a power cross-feed, but it is hard to tell from the picture on the post
04:59 PM roycroft: i have a piece of 1/2" drill rod
04:59 PM roycroft: and a dti
05:00 PM Crom: on about the 10 pass of ./configure for linuxcnc
05:00 PM andypugh: Ideally you would want a bar with centres in each end about 1” or more and as long as the bed.
05:00 PM andypugh: Or you could turn a test part.
05:01 PM roycroft: it only has the 3 jaw, and no tool holder, so it would be hard to really do much tsting with a test bar
05:01 PM roycroft: the best i can do is try to determine spindle runout they way it is
05:01 PM roycroft: i would like to turn something before purchasing, but without a tool holder that's kind of difficult
05:02 PM andypugh: You could try to source a tapered eccentric “test bar” to bargain the price down :-)
05:30 PM Crom: roycroft: my first toolholder was a bunch of big nuts for spacing and some washers. my tnut was a piece of strap that fit in the slot and a hole drilled and tapped...
05:34 PM Crom: my stud was a pice of 3/8-16 all thread that finally stretched and snapped..
06:03 PM Crom: chown: cannot access ‘../bin/linuxcnc_module_helper’: No such file or directory
06:06 PM Crom: isn/'t that for Mesa cards?
06:41 PM {HD}: If I have both PCI and PCIE available on my MOBO does it matter what parallel port card I buy?
06:41 PM {HD}: I am looking at this one... https://www.amazon.com/Sienoc-Serial-Parallel-Printer-Computer/dp/B00XBX05V2/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1492470508&sr=8-2&keywords=parallel+and+serial+port
06:42 PM XXCoder: it does matter
06:42 PM XXCoder: theres bidirectuonal and single, and theres some other difference I forgot
06:43 PM {HD}: ! Oh noes. So, that linked card is no good?
06:43 PM XXCoder: that ones nice, has ports for joystick or pendant. dunno on parallel port though. forgot what is best for linuxcnmc
06:43 PM XXCoder: im not sure
06:44 PM {HD}: I was looking at that one because I do want a few extra inputs for pendant, and I use a 232-485 for my VFD
06:45 PM {HD}: And, I am now looking on amazon because I don't want to wait for an ebay purchase to arrive.
06:45 PM XXCoder: Parallel port
06:45 PM XXCoder: Support SPP, Nibble, Byte, PS / 2, EPP, ECP and other IEEE1284 parallel / printer port work
06:45 PM XXCoder: Support bi-directional data transfer, up to 2M bytes / sec transfer rate
06:45 PM XXCoder: Built-in printer port required pull-up resistor, less external components, simple circuit
06:46 PM XXCoder: it supports bi-directional though not too sure still.
06:46 PM XXCoder: https://forum.linuxcnc.org/18-computer/18917-faq-pci-parallel-port-cards
06:47 PM {HD}: It is prime so, if it doesnt work send it back. Ill just get one for testing...
06:47 PM XXCoder: post is years old but should have good overall info
06:48 PM XXCoder: is that card EPP?
06:48 PM XXCoder: it is
06:49 PM XXCoder: well it should be fine
06:51 PM {HD}: Ok, I have a can opener and a parport card in cart...what else do I need?
06:51 PM XXCoder: not sure state of your machine lol
06:52 PM XXCoder: what are you planning to do?
06:53 PM {HD}: XXCoder: I am just replacing my current machine(OLD!) with a slightly newer machine that will support what I want to do in the future. 1: it will get the jitter down to 10k vs 200k and it will allow a 64bit OS if I want to custom compile something...ect...
06:54 PM XXCoder: ahh yea
06:54 PM XXCoder: maybe ram upgrades, if its currently using onboard video, a video card, decent one.
06:54 PM {HD}: but, no parport so, I need to buy something.
06:54 PM {HD}: Has a decent vidcard and max ram for mobo...
06:54 PM XXCoder: onboard video bombs jitter.
06:55 PM {HD}: I put my old 970GTX in it.
06:56 PM XXCoder: thats plenty
06:56 PM XXCoder: as long as decent enough and NOT onboard is fine
07:02 PM roycroft: so i'm supposed to go look at this lathe in a few
07:02 PM roycroft: i'm not sure what i can check out on it without a tool holder or any tooling
07:02 PM roycroft: i think i should try to remove the chuck and test concentricity of the spindle bore
07:03 PM roycroft: and probably see if i can detect dips in the ways close to the spindle
07:03 PM roycroft: and listen to the motor and spindle under power
07:03 PM roycroft: anything else that's easy to check given the conditions?
07:04 PM * {HD} has no idea
07:05 PM XXCoder: dunno
07:05 PM XXCoder: bring magnet holder arm and dial indictor?
07:05 PM XXCoder: and rod of some kind
07:05 PM roycroft: yes, i'm going to bring a test indicator and holder
07:05 PM roycroft: a rod doesn't do me any good
07:06 PM roycroft: all that it has is a 3-jaw
07:06 PM roycroft: and i can't turn anything
07:06 PM XXCoder: ahh ok
07:06 PM roycroft: and no centers
07:06 PM andypugh: {HD}: You could consider a Mesa 5i25 instead of a parport. It can do all the same things, plus extra things.
07:07 PM * roycroft is waiting for the guy to send directions, and heads off to get cash in the meantime
07:07 PM andypugh: roycroft: A rod in the chuck, if you traverse in Z with an indicator, can tell you if the ways dip, or if the headstock is misaligned.
07:07 PM {HD}: andypugh: Lots of people are talking about mesa cards! I like the look of the 7i76e but that $$$$ vs $
07:07 PM roycroft: the really nice thing about this lathe is that there are no hills at all, and no sharp curves
07:07 PM roycroft: aah, thanks
07:08 PM roycroft: that's a great way to check if the ways dip
07:08 PM roycroft: traverse the z
07:08 PM roycroft: turn spindle 180 degrees
07:08 PM roycroft: traverse again
07:08 PM roycroft: even if the rod isn't straight i can sort that out
07:08 PM XXCoder: andypugh: I guess need confirm if rod is stright
07:08 PM XXCoder: or maybe not lol
07:08 PM andypugh: Indicate the top of the rod as well as the front.
07:08 PM roycroft: yes
07:09 PM andypugh: {HD}: The 5i25 is a bit more than a p-port, but not _that_ much more. http://store.mesanet.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=55&search=5i25
07:10 PM roycroft: the guy says this has been sitting around for a while in his shop
07:10 PM roycroft: and it looks kind of dirty
07:10 PM andypugh: And it can step at MHz even if your latency is 100k.
07:10 PM roycroft: this may be a disassemble, clean up, repaint, reassemble thing
07:10 PM roycroft: and scrape as necessary
07:10 PM roycroft: although i have parts to make, and if it's reasonably straight i can use it as is until i have time to really fine tune it
07:10 PM andypugh: {HD}: Though if your machine was OK on a p-port previously, then you might well not see any difference.
07:11 PM {HD}: andypugh: Someday I would like to go with an ethernet card but, I am not there yet.
07:12 PM {HD}: 8$ for generic parport or $90 for a cheaper mesa card...
07:18 PM andypugh: I guess it is a matter of where you are with money, I spent half the price of the Mesa card on gate hardware today, and that only because the current gate is a bit annoying.
07:30 PM {HD}: True. Right now I am spending my money in other areas. Machining is a wintertime thing for me (gets too hot in the shop) So, I am cleaning up the motorcycle, kayaks and other fun summertimey things.
07:30 PM XXCoder: you could build a very old style AC
07:30 PM {HD}: swamp cooler?
07:30 PM XXCoder: its just tall isulated column outside house
07:30 PM XXCoder: top has mister all around
07:31 PM XXCoder: so it "distalls" cooler air which moves down into your house
07:31 PM XXCoder: if I recall it should be twice as tall as your shop
07:31 PM {HD}: House is nice and cool with the geothermal I keep it set low! but the SHOP is HOT and not insulated...
07:32 PM XXCoder: heh you probably can build it for less than 100 bucks
07:32 PM XXCoder: it has to be isulated and waterproof paint inside, small amount of water mister around inside top
07:33 PM XXCoder: searching for design
07:33 PM {HD}: I think the first thing I spent money on, in terms of climate control for the shop, would be one of those 6' fans!
07:34 PM XXCoder: fans dont really cool
07:34 PM SpeedEvil: Or you could just do personal cooling.
07:34 PM XXCoder: you cool yourself using sweat
07:34 PM SpeedEvil: http://www.veskimo.com/why-best-cooling-vest.php
07:34 PM SpeedEvil: A couple of t-shirts, some contact adhesive, silicone tubing, a little pump, a couple of quick connects, a small battery, and a bucket of icewater
07:35 PM XXCoder: found it!
07:35 PM XXCoder: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/db/74/07/db74070d07ca587ab63f7b22be47e555.png
07:35 PM SpeedEvil: Or if you're feeling fancy, you could actually sew it
07:35 PM XXCoder: the tower on left is what im talking about
07:37 PM XXCoder: anyway concept is very simple
07:39 PM XXCoder: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/e1/a3/cf/e1a3cff3ec8a183d10ed8c6f08057307.jpg
07:39 PM XXCoder: slightly more fancy, it adds solar chimnney so you has vacuum pulling hot air out also
07:39 PM XXCoder: picture scaling is bit weird
07:41 PM XXCoder: anyway {HD} you got options lol
07:43 PM {HD}: XXCoder: That 'insulated tube' is 3 times the size of the shop! lol.
07:44 PM XXCoder: yeah scaling is weird
07:44 PM XXCoder: it should be bit bigger than fire column but not that big. it does need to be quite tall
07:44 PM XXCoder: otherwise it dont cool enough
07:44 PM {HD}: SpeedEvil: That vest looks cool but gimicky like the harbor freight version. I want the USA version with lifetime warranty.
07:45 PM SpeedEvil: That is the USA version
07:45 PM SpeedEvil: It's a USA vendor
07:45 PM {HD}: Hum. Ill add that tech to the research list.
07:45 PM XXCoder: handmake it yourself, it has lifetime plus warranty LOL
07:45 PM SpeedEvil: But it's easy enough to DIY
07:45 PM SpeedEvil: Aquarium tubing is inexpensive, and the connectors are easy
07:46 PM {HD}: SpeedEvil: Yea, And I could have a cooler of ice water next to the lathe or what ever tool I was using.
07:47 PM {HD}: lol, might be fun.
07:49 PM SpeedEvil: Or a vortex cooler hooked to compressor.
07:49 PM SpeedEvil: Not saying it's ideal, it's just a $100, not $5000 option, with ~0 running costs.
07:50 PM {HD}: I don't know what a vortex cooler is.
07:51 PM XXCoder: cooling tower is extra awesome though LOL
07:51 PM SpeedEvil: Also, swamp coolers like the above may cause condensation
07:51 PM SpeedEvil: when the temeprature drops at night. Which would be bad in a shop
07:51 PM SpeedEvil: {HD}: It is a means of converting compressed air to noise and cold/hot
07:51 PM XXCoder: HMM didn't think of that. might be a problem
07:52 PM SpeedEvil: Insulating the fuck out of it to reduce the AC load is nice.
07:52 PM {HD}: Well, I have some options it looks like.
07:53 PM {HD}: Time for DINNER!!!
07:53 PM {HD}: later.
07:53 PM XXCoder: indeed isulation do that first
07:53 PM XXCoder: then consider after
07:54 PM malcom2073: Someday I wanna rent a backhoe, dig down 6ft and lay down coils of geothermal line
07:54 PM malcom2073: Use it for cooling in the summer
07:54 PM XXCoder: thats decent idea
07:54 PM XXCoder: I wonder if that can be used to cool column of air
07:54 PM malcom2073: Buddy of mine did it, went about a ft below the frost line
07:54 PM XXCoder: so no water needed
07:54 PM malcom2073: Worked pretty well
07:55 PM malcom2073: Air is a great insulator, terrible conductor of heat
07:56 PM XXCoder: I was thinking water pumped underground then go to top part of column and theres large radators there cooling incoming air
07:56 PM malcom2073: Ah, probably
07:58 PM malcom2073: I was going to run lines inside the house and use them in place of window units, bring outside air in and cool it
07:59 PM XXCoder: heh I got a idea
08:00 PM XXCoder: use tap water pipes to cool air, and pre-warm water
08:00 PM malcom2073: I've heard of people recirculating water down into the well and using it as a heat store
08:04 PM SpeedEvil: Do do the calculations.
08:05 PM SpeedEvil: The cooling/heating of coils in soil can be notable
08:05 PM XXCoder: bunch interesting stuff I have read is using tons sand in deep hole, and storing heat and extracting heat there
08:06 PM SpeedEvil: It depends if your average air temp in your location most days crosses the desired indoor temp.
08:06 PM SpeedEvil: If it does, it gets lots easier
08:07 PM malcom2073: Yeah, average ground temp here is like 60F
08:07 PM malcom2073: average air is significantly higher in the summer
08:07 PM XXCoder: here has no permaforest but pretty cool
08:07 PM SpeedEvil: here it's I think 7C
08:07 PM XXCoder: *permafrost
08:07 PM SpeedEvil: I don't actually mind house at 60F
08:07 PM SpeedEvil: that would be good
08:07 PM XXCoder: 60fs fine yeah
08:08 PM SpeedEvil: 7C, not so much
08:08 PM malcom2073: You'll never get it *that* cold though
08:08 PM malcom2073: You want your cooling loop way colder than you want the air in your house
08:11 PM SpeedEvil: malcom2073: Well, that depends.
08:12 PM * djdelorie uses well water to heat/cool his house...
08:12 PM SpeedEvil: If you bury the house a meter or three down, ...
08:12 PM malcom2073: djdelorie: Yeah?
08:12 PM XXCoder: finally found it!
08:12 PM XXCoder: https://www.sciplus.com/
08:12 PM malcom2073: SpeedEvil: Hehe, true
08:12 PM XXCoder: weird surplus stuff
08:12 PM SpeedEvil: sci-hub also
08:12 PM SpeedEvil: :)
08:12 PM malcom2073: XXCoder: You know of electronic goldmine? )
08:12 PM malcom2073: :)
08:12 PM djdelorie: geothermal system, 6 ton
08:12 PM SpeedEvil: scp-wiki.net is wierder, but far more important
08:13 PM XXCoder: already know of scp
08:13 PM XXCoder: and my link isnt stories, its surplus stuff lol
08:13 PM malcom2073: djdelorie: Ah, I'm talking directly using the water, not using it in a HVAC system
08:13 PM XXCoder: mal yeah though never bought from em lol
08:14 PM malcom2073: XXCoder: I have a few times, good junk
08:14 PM XXCoder: I dont thinkn they will ever sell out of those clicky magnets LOL
08:14 PM djdelorie: I still save a ton of money over generating systems :-)
08:14 PM XXCoder: I first saw that over decade ago
08:15 PM XXCoder: some truly strange stuff like NO/NC switches, 30 bucks per 300
08:15 PM malcom2073: lol
08:15 PM malcom2073: I got a 12V pump from them, works pretty god
08:15 PM XXCoder: thats dime each
08:15 PM malcom2073: good*
08:16 PM Jymmm: malcom2073: god pump? Is that for pumping god juice?
08:16 PM malcom2073: Indeed
08:16 PM Jymmm: Ok
08:16 PM XXCoder: 140 hacksaw blades for 50 bucks
08:16 PM XXCoder: lifetime supply LOL
08:17 PM Jymmm: 10 for $1 at the dollar store.... YOU GOT RIPPED MAN! lmao
08:17 PM XXCoder: yeah lol
08:18 PM XXCoder: https://www.sciplus.com/p/WASH-BOTTLE_41908
08:18 PM XXCoder: love that kind, easy to spray
08:18 PM Jymmm: Hit Radio Shack, everything 80% off... Got 8x AAA Ni-MH and two 12V@5AH batteries all for $25 out the door
08:18 PM XXCoder: theres cheaper ones on amazon aliexpress so on but most has small neck
08:18 PM Jymmm: ^today
08:19 PM XXCoder: soon no more radio hack
08:19 PM Jymmm: XXCoder: Sometime in May, but the only thng left was batteries and cables.
08:20 PM XXCoder: so get cables and batteries for battery and assult :P
08:20 PM Jymmm: ALL kinds of batteries too, usb power packs, alkaline, ni-mh, li-ion
08:20 PM XXCoder: borosilicate glass funnel
08:20 PM Jymmm: lead-acid, etc
08:20 PM Jymmm: button cell
08:20 PM XXCoder: crazy
08:21 PM Jymmm: 12V@5AH for $7
08:21 PM Jymmm: err $6
08:21 PM XXCoder: I wonder heh one guy was joking about buying 2 tiny 3d printers
08:21 PM XXCoder: he acualluy bought 2 but joke was thus
08:21 PM XXCoder: he was joking about putting one in truck
08:22 PM XXCoder: so he can print on go
08:22 PM XXCoder: wonder if thats possible lol
08:22 PM Jymmm: farmers markets
08:22 PM Jymmm: flea markets, etc
08:22 PM Jymmm: What? no clue, but eh
08:24 PM XXCoder: if I was interested in chemistry that site medical section'd be goldmine lol
08:24 PM Jymmm: XXCoder: what site?
08:24 PM XXCoder: https://www.sciplus.com/
08:25 PM Jymmm: THIS SHIT IS AWESOME.... https://www.sciplus.com/p/DOUBLESIDED-AUTO-MOLDING-TAPE_58192
08:25 PM XXCoder: 5 bucks good deal? lol
08:25 PM Jymmm: Seriously, totally water/snow proof. I have shields on my car wndows and that that has NEVER EVER came off or peeled away
08:26 PM XXCoder: nice
08:27 PM XXCoder: I do need double sided tape but not that fancy
08:28 PM XXCoder: jy they do have great stuff like plastic checker set
08:28 PM XXCoder: for example if you made a fancy wood board and needs em
08:28 PM XXCoder: 3 bucks for THREE sets :P
08:28 PM XXCoder: https://www.sciplus.com/p/PLASTIC-CHECKERS_58235
08:29 PM Jymmm: lil expensive
08:29 PM XXCoder: 3 whole sets for 3 bucks?
08:29 PM Jymmm: yeah
08:29 PM XXCoder: okay link me cheaper lol
08:29 PM Jymmm: (seriously), you can get a whole checker set for $0.99
08:30 PM Jymmm: crappy paper checkeroard
08:30 PM XXCoder: interesting
08:30 PM Jymmm: but eh
08:30 PM Jymmm: XXCoder: I think poker chips might be better
08:31 PM zeeshan: can anyone suggest a good flexible track lighting system
08:31 PM XXCoder: good for what usage?
08:31 PM zeeshan: possibly using full size bulbs
08:31 PM zeeshan: for living room :)
08:31 PM XXCoder: ahh THAT kind of track
08:32 PM zeeshan: hahz
08:32 PM zeeshan: sorry random q :-)
08:33 PM XXCoder: my sis in law's bro house had those
08:33 PM XXCoder: lkooked awesome
08:34 PM XXCoder: though dunno what brand it was. used leds
08:34 PM zeeshan: pics would be nice!
08:34 PM XXCoder: maybe check ikea dor those heh
08:34 PM zeeshan: :D
08:35 PM Jymmm: XXCoder: https://www.dollartree.com/search/go#w=checker
08:37 PM XXCoder: I purchased these for to fill a shoe box for Operation Christmas Child for my church. When I opened the box, the "board" is a flimsy warped piece of cardboard and the checkers are thin, small irregularly shaped disks. This went in the garbage immediately. Junk that only costs a dollar is still junk
08:37 PM Jymmm: yep
08:37 PM Jymmm: But those checkers you linked me too kinda look the same. might be better to hit thrift stores for quality ones =)
08:38 PM Jymmm: or make some cool ones
08:38 PM XXCoder: probably but I dont think I plan any for now
08:38 PM XXCoder: Might be able to with my incoming crappy lathe LOL
08:39 PM XXCoder: the one im talking about https://www.sciplus.com/p/RATTLESNAKE-EGG---_40016
08:39 PM XXCoder: it probably will be in list for next 100 years
08:40 PM Jymmm: not bad if ya need em https://www.sciplus.com/p/BULK-00-RUBBER-STOPPERS_59142
08:40 PM XXCoder: 1000 of em yeah thats 3 pennies each
08:40 PM Jymmm: might make some nice feet
08:40 PM Jymmm: or bumpers
08:42 PM XXCoder: 8 bucks for 50 yard alum tape
08:42 PM Crom_: HMMM .39" .55" Bit Small... Though they'd work in 1/4" fittings..
08:44 PM Crom_: I use 1" diameter top ones for cane feet... I stick them in 1/2 to 3/4 copper pipe reducers
08:44 PM XXCoder: is those good deal? https://www.sciplus.com/p/SET-5-DIAMOND-ENCRUSTED-FILES_2671
08:48 PM Crom_: XXCoder, i JUST BOUGHT 2 SETS... :)
08:48 PM XXCoder: from sciplus?
08:48 PM Crom_: yep...
08:49 PM XXCoder: so good deal? whats normal price
08:49 PM Crom_: touch up drill bits and end mills
08:49 PM Crom_: i haven't seen them for less than $18
08:49 PM XXCoder: nice
08:50 PM Crom_: shipping is steep... so all told.. $28.33
08:50 PM XXCoder: 28 bucks for 2? I guess shippings 8 bucks?
08:50 PM Crom_: $7
08:50 PM trentster: XXCoder: arent those files too coarse for sharpening endmills?
08:51 PM XXCoder: im not one who menioned ems
08:52 PM Crom_: trentster, I have a diamond points file for fine stuff... those are good for smoothing chips
08:53 PM trentster: Crom_: Yup that makes sense
08:54 PM XXCoder: restoring tools eh
08:54 PM XXCoder: I guess that saves bunch money
08:55 PM Crom_: I can turn a flat end mill into a radiused corner one
08:55 PM Crom_: depending on the size of the broken tooth
08:55 PM XXCoder: thats cool
08:56 PM XXCoder: shop dont bother with sizes below 1/2
08:56 PM XXCoder: higher they resharp if no chips, if chips chuck it away
08:57 PM Crom_: http://www.ebay.com/itm/50mm-Metalworking-Diamond-Grinding-Wheel-Disc-for-Carbide-Wood-Stone-Metal-/371586862057
08:57 PM Crom_: hmmm wonder if that would shaped carbide
08:58 PM Crom_: This would http://www.ebay.com/itm/High-Strength-Diamond-Coated-100mm-Grinding-Wheel-Disc-For-Angle-Grinder-/371661198156
09:00 PM XXCoder: lol https://www.sciplus.com/p/SIREN-WHISTLE_33085
09:01 PM XXCoder: thing about being deaf
09:01 PM XXCoder: theres no sanity limits on blowing toys like tgat
09:03 PM Crom_: HAH non standard thread... what Maroons.... https://www.sciplus.com/p/CAR-SEAT-12VDC-GEAR-MOTOR_49248
09:03 PM Crom_: it's a lead screw
09:04 PM XXCoder: those are rather powerful and 12 bucks lol
09:08 PM XXCoder: https://www.sciplus.com/p/OLD-STYLE-DROPPER-BOTTLE_33287
09:08 PM XXCoder: great for dropping tapping oil
09:09 PM XXCoder: or maybe https://www.sciplus.com/p/BLUE-GLASS-DROPPER-BOTTLES_54583 its more sealable
09:21 PM Jymmm: 4 for $6.95.... I love these things... https://www.sciplus.com/p/SCREWDOWN-314-TARP-CLIPS_53182
09:21 PM Jymmm: hard to find
09:22 PM jdh: I used to love the sciplus catalog when it was a catalog
09:24 PM XXCoder: gonna love drawings someone do for all of items
09:24 PM XXCoder: it used to be main picture but at some point they swapped
09:24 PM Jymmm: HAHAHAHAHAHA https://www.sciplus.com/p/CANNED-EMERGENCY-1SIZE-UNDERPANTS_50553
09:26 PM XXCoder: nice for emergicies
09:26 PM XXCoder: I have one permently in my car
09:27 PM XXCoder: not everyone is gifted perfectly working guts sadly
09:31 PM CaptHindsight: Jymmm: were you able to make that firewood heat exchanger/storage device?
09:32 PM CaptHindsight: I'm just going to refer to it as a wood succubus
09:33 PM roycroft: well, i has lathe now
09:33 PM roycroft: i hope it was a good deal
09:33 PM XXCoder: the $27 one? ;)
09:33 PM roycroft: i found out it was a school shop lathe
09:33 PM roycroft: and it had obviously been crashed a time or three
09:33 PM XXCoder: ehh higher abuse and errors I would think
09:33 PM roycroft: and there was no chuck key, so i couldn't do much testing
09:33 PM roycroft: but the guy came down to $400
09:34 PM roycroft: so hopefully it will be ok
09:34 PM jdh: you got that jet?
09:34 PM roycroft: we ran the motor and the motor and spindle seem to run smoothly
09:34 PM roycroft: yes
09:34 PM jdh: cool
09:34 PM XXCoder: pics or no lathe
09:34 PM roycroft: yes
09:34 PM roycroft: and it's out in the rain right now
09:34 PM roycroft: so i need to get going to bring it into the shop
09:34 PM roycroft: pics later
09:34 PM XXCoder: lol sciplus sells typical school fire alarm handles
09:34 PM CaptHindsight: wd40
09:34 PM XXCoder: ones kids tend to pull :P
09:35 PM XXCoder: https://www.sciplus.com/p/FIRE-ALARM-REPLICA-LED-LIGHT_59254
09:36 PM XXCoder: looks like its just lights. way to teach kids not to pull!
09:36 PM CaptHindsight: I was just there last week
09:36 PM CaptHindsight: I wonder if they have fake fire extinguishers as well
09:39 PM XXCoder: handle-less broom head, buy 3 and turn it down so use as boot cleaner
09:51 PM Jymmm: CaptHindsight: No. I believe the ratio (8:1) was too high. The smoke kept smothering out the fire.
09:51 PM Jymmm: CaptHindsight: 24" drum : 3" pipe serving as the firebox
09:52 PM Jymmm: CaptHindsight: 3 or 4:1 should have done it.
10:00 PM XXCoder: LOL
10:00 PM XXCoder: "Why so cheap? We got them from a municipality in the frozen north where they discovered too late that LEDs don't generate heat, and won't melt the snow that lands on the lenses when the cold wind blows."
10:01 PM Jymmm: link?
10:01 PM XXCoder: its for red or yellow traffic led lights
10:01 PM XXCoder: https://www.sciplus.com/p/12-RED-LED-TRAFFIC-LIGHT-120VAC_57997
10:02 PM XXCoder: perfect for cnc status lights? lol no green though :P
10:02 PM sync_: haha, the comment about the heat
10:02 PM sync_: that is the reason why LED railway signals have huge resistors in them
10:03 PM Crom_: hehe 6w at 120vac... yep... they don't melt snow...
10:03 PM Jymmm: They are a lil high in price compared to http://www.excesssolutions.com/cgi-bin/category/31000
10:05 PM Crom_: little better 6.9w... still not enough to melt snow
10:05 PM Crom_: I LOVE excess solutions... I got my Weller TC201 stations there
10:06 PM XXCoder: sci do have leather item
10:06 PM Jymmm: Crom_: I used to go there all the time for hardware
10:06 PM XXCoder: one pound of random leather stuff
10:06 PM XXCoder: 2lb actuyally https://www.sciplus.com/p/2-LBS-ASSORTED-REAL-LEATHER-SCRAPS_49960
10:06 PM {HD}: ball gags?
10:06 PM Jymmm: Crom_: Actually, it's where I found a tape drive backup robot for cradek
10:06 PM Crom_: I just got about 30# in leather from a donation
10:06 PM {HD}: Used gimp suits
10:07 PM XXCoder: out of stock wow
10:08 PM Crom_: http://www.excesssolutions.com/cgi-bin/item/ES6544 3a 191ozin stepper looks to be NEMA 23
10:08 PM Crom_: $35
10:09 PM XXCoder: too many wires
10:09 PM XXCoder: 3 pole?
10:11 PM Crom_: centertapped... just figure out the outside 4 wires and cut the middles
10:12 PM XXCoder: rate seems weak
10:12 PM XXCoder: 185 oz/in
10:12 PM Crom_: bbiab ---~~~
10:12 PM XXCoder: my smaller steppers is stronger at 265 oz/in something
10:16 PM Jymmm: kinda cool, I guess... https://www.sciplus.com/p/HELIX-PENCIL-TOP-ERASERSHARPENERS_58213
10:17 PM Jymmm: an eraser with sharpener built in
10:17 PM XXCoder: strange
10:17 PM XXCoder: theres 13" long pencils
10:18 PM XXCoder: oh looks like pencil but are all eraser
10:18 PM Jymmm: XXCoder: Yeah, how to you sharpener mechanical pencils with that eraser?!
10:20 PM XXCoder: :P
10:20 PM XXCoder: https://www.wish.com/c/57f276033b4a716dc80d8acb interesting
10:20 PM XXCoder: wonder if my car is compitable lol
10:23 PM XXCoder: huh
10:23 PM XXCoder: h1 for high and h11ll for low
10:33 PM DrippityDrops: this looks like a nice mill XY rig for a canadian http://www.ebay.com/itm/Beckhoff-AC-Servo-Package-AMP-AX5203-0000-2x-Servos-AM3041-OH41-0000-Cables-/172452051556?hash=item2826f17a64:g:qUgAAOSw2xRYWIhc
10:33 PM Jymmm: anyone have a netbook?
10:34 PM Jymmm: DrippityDrops: It doens't have a poutine serving tray
10:34 PM DrippityDrops: ughh right, disregard
10:35 PM DrippityDrops: my g/f is all about some poutine and perogies
10:37 PM XXCoder: netbook? that old laptop?
10:37 PM XXCoder: beckhoff heh almost backoff
10:38 PM DrippityDrops: not so good times with that brand?
10:38 PM XXCoder: no idea
10:38 PM XXCoder: just joking with name
10:39 PM DrippityDrops: =D it could be easy to get a bad rep with that name
10:40 PM XXCoder: mini air compressor 17 bucks
10:40 PM XXCoder: kinda tempted, use it as cnc router blower lol\
10:42 PM gottaname|wurk: XXCoder, air compressor?
10:42 PM gottaname|wurk: :P
10:43 PM XXCoder: yeah
10:43 PM XXCoder: decided not to, weak :P
10:43 PM gottaname|wurk: for airbrushing or cleaning?
10:43 PM XXCoder: didnt you read :P
10:43 PM gottaname|wurk: oh
10:43 PM gottaname|wurk: blower
10:43 PM gottaname|wurk: meh
10:43 PM gottaname|wurk: 17 bucks, can't be too powerful
10:43 PM gottaname|wurk: does it have an air tank?
10:43 PM XXCoder: its powerful enough to fill car tire
10:44 PM XXCoder: but besides that its not suitable for cnc router blowing chips I would think
10:44 PM gottaname|wurk: XXCoder, my airbrush compressor could fill a tire
10:44 PM gottaname|wurk: but the flow might not be there
10:44 PM XXCoder: indeed
10:44 PM gottaname|wurk: not all compressors are built the same though
10:45 PM XXCoder: thats why i ultimately decided not to'
10:45 PM XXCoder: will go to harbor freight evenually
10:45 PM gottaname|wurk: a blower fan might be a better idea
10:45 PM XXCoder: get a small air tank compressor.
10:49 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1708005089/pico-c-craft-brewing-for-all/posts/1861129
10:49 PM XXCoder: weird
10:49 PM XXCoder: what use is there for amber lens
10:49 PM DrippityDrops: XXCoder: this is a much quieter system than air compressor https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/9f/5f/9b/9f5f9bde28c797d0eb7b9d84ed6e065a.jpg
10:49 PM XXCoder: lol
10:50 PM DrippityDrops: you probably wouldnt know what to do with a fancy machine like that
10:50 PM XXCoder: if needed can figure lol
10:50 PM DrippityDrops: too many moving parts or something
10:50 PM DrippityDrops: :)
10:51 PM roycroft: lathe is in the shop and out of the rain
10:52 PM roycroft: i barely got it unloaded
10:52 PM roycroft: my 1 ton cherry picker barely lifted it and would not hold height at all
10:52 PM XXCoder: dang
10:52 PM roycroft: i guess it needs a new hydraulic cylinder or the current one needs new seals
10:52 PM DrippityDrops: :) i want pictures
10:52 PM roycroft: it's not that heavy
10:52 PM DrippityDrops: asap
10:52 PM CaptHindsight: leaky jack?
10:52 PM roycroft: i'll get to that presently
10:53 PM XXCoder: pics. it is your duty since you promised. ;)
10:54 PM CaptHindsight: roycroft: what's the approximate size?
10:54 PM roycroft: it's a 12x36
10:54 PM roycroft: the size i wanted :)
10:55 PM XXCoder: 12"x36" size of machine?
10:55 PM roycroft: oh, overall dimensions
10:55 PM roycroft: probably 18x72x20 high
10:55 PM roycroft: inches
10:55 PM XXCoder: thought it was bigger
10:56 PM roycroft: but 12" swing and 36" between centers
10:56 PM XXCoder: oh was thinking whole machine size
10:56 PM roycroft: see above
10:56 PM roycroft: it weighs about 1/2 ton
10:56 PM CaptHindsight: lathes are generally referred to by their swing and center distance
10:57 PM XXCoder: interesting
10:57 PM XXCoder: pics iw roth 1000 words heh
10:57 PM XXCoder: *is worth
10:59 PM roycroft: i'll post the CL pics in a minute
11:00 PM roycroft: and i'll take my own later
11:01 PM roycroft: www.roycroft.us/Jet1236PY/CL1.jpeg
11:01 PM roycroft: www.roycroft.us/Jet1236PY/CL2.jpeg
11:01 PM roycroft: www.roycroft.us/Jet1236PY/CL3.jpeg
11:01 PM Crom_: off to home
11:02 PM XXCoder: interesting
11:02 PM XXCoder: pretty nice too
11:02 PM XXCoder: you probably will need to do some stuff to get it to work well
11:02 PM roycroft: it's belt drive, and really quiet
11:02 PM XXCoder: then nioce
11:02 PM roycroft: i need to do a lot of stuff
11:02 PM roycroft: but i got it for $400
11:02 PM roycroft: as it sits it goes down to 60rpm
11:03 PM roycroft: which i really like
11:03 PM XXCoder: I saw site where guy discribed jig guy made to true runways
11:03 PM roycroft: i hate the new import lathes that don't go very slow
11:03 PM CaptHindsight: you gotta deal
11:03 PM roycroft: i need a 4-jaw right away
11:03 PM roycroft: i think so
11:03 PM roycroft: i couldn't do any testing
11:03 PM roycroft: but i ran the motor and spindle
11:03 PM roycroft: the power cross feed doesn't work
11:04 PM roycroft: but i have not even begun to investigate
11:04 PM roycroft: it's probably something really simple
11:04 PM {HD}: roycroft: picture
11:04 PM CaptHindsight: heh, might be a sheared pin on the drive gear
11:04 PM roycroft: see above
11:04 PM roycroft: i posted the cl pics
11:04 PM CaptHindsight: how I got one in once
11:04 PM roycroft: this is a school shop lathe, and it's been crashed before
11:04 PM roycroft: so yeah, that could easily be the problem
11:05 PM roycroft: the cross slide and compound are both gnarled up where it's been crashed
11:05 PM CaptHindsight: the pins that hold the gears tend to break before the gears do
11:05 PM roycroft: i almost walked away but he lowered the price to $400 so i decided to take a chance
11:05 PM CaptHindsight: so if they crashed the cross slide then it's probably a couple hours work and a $1 pin
11:05 PM roycroft: yeah
11:06 PM CaptHindsight: since it's a JET you might be able to find parts if there is more to it
11:06 PM roycroft: and there is this:
11:06 PM roycroft: https://eugene.craigslist.org/tls/6089688287.html
11:06 PM roycroft: and that posting has been up for a while
11:06 PM roycroft: if i can get that stand for $100 it will be a decent setup
11:07 PM XXCoder: may be just angle but it looks destroyed one side
11:07 PM roycroft: yes, the apron looks bent
11:07 PM roycroft: i can build a stand
11:07 PM XXCoder: ah sides look okay-ish
11:07 PM roycroft: it would be easier to just go pick one up and paint it though
11:08 PM roycroft: but i'll set the damn thing up on sawhorses at first if i need to
11:08 PM roycroft: the seller has a manual for it
11:08 PM roycroft: which is exceedingly rare for that model
11:08 PM roycroft: and it is sitting in my house right now :)
11:08 PM XXCoder: well there is other options
11:08 PM roycroft: i'm going to scan it and print a copy to night
11:08 PM XXCoder: like go to house scrap stuff and get cabients
11:08 PM CaptHindsight: roycroft: I got one like that where they tore the wires out from the back of the cabinet
11:08 PM roycroft: and give it back him tomorrow
11:09 PM CaptHindsight: guess they didn't have snips
11:09 PM XXCoder: like house for humanity places you can grab old cabients
11:09 PM roycroft: i guess i need to cancel my hotel reservation in bellingham next month
11:09 PM roycroft: i won't be needing to go to the grizzly tent sale now
11:24 PM XXCoder: cool
11:24 PM XXCoder: maybe good tools deal lol
11:25 PM XXCoder: man I really want to try to cut glass stuff
11:25 PM XXCoder: with router
11:25 PM XXCoder: but needs lot water
11:25 PM XXCoder: dude https://www.sciplus.com/p/5-PIECE-318-DIAMOND-FILE-SET_4156
11:25 PM XXCoder: cheaper than other one but I think much smaller
11:26 PM XXCoder: Crom: ya in?
11:27 PM XXCoder: 5.5" larger set 3.125 smaller set
11:41 PM XXCoder: final order, smaller and larger sets of diamond files, bottle washer, tiny blue dropper bottles, double side tape lol
11:45 PM Crom: home
11:45 PM Crom: too late already bought the other set
11:46 PM XXCoder: its pretty cool
11:46 PM XXCoder: got both smaller and larger
11:46 PM Crom: running my tool path I generated in fusion360
11:47 PM XXCoder: cool hows it so far
11:49 PM Crom: had to slow down spindle and feed rate
11:51 PM Crom: going to have to clean my Y back linear bearings...
11:52 PM Crom: s/back/ball/
11:53 PM XXCoder: I need to oil up ways on my cnc router just unsure what to use.
11:55 PM roycroft: new pics
11:56 PM roycroft: www.roycroft.us/Jet1236PY
11:56 PM roycroft: and i have dried it off again after those pics
11:56 PM XXCoder: gears seem ok
11:56 PM roycroft: it needs a little work :)
11:56 PM roycroft: yes
11:56 PM roycroft: i think it's a solid machine
11:56 PM XXCoder: belt little worn
11:57 PM XXCoder: ouch that crash damage
11:57 PM roycroft: yeah, that is not fun
11:57 PM XXCoder: hey as long as it works eh
11:57 PM roycroft: and i'm not sure what i'll do about it
11:57 PM roycroft: i don't want to look at that ugliness all the time
11:57 PM XXCoder: bigger block not too bad
11:57 PM XXCoder: you could add chamfer to it
11:57 PM XXCoder: knock most of it off
11:57 PM roycroft: yeah, i'll figure something out
11:57 PM XXCoder: smaller one dunnp
11:58 PM XXCoder: ways end ehh not too foos oo
11:58 PM XXCoder: or maybe just built up dirt
11:58 PM XXCoder: good too
11:58 PM roycroft: i think the ways look pretty decent
11:59 PM roycroft: the thing about it being a school shop lathe
11:59 PM roycroft: it was abused
11:59 PM roycroft: obviously crashed
11:59 PM XXCoder: yeah school stuff tend to be.
11:59 PM roycroft: but school lathes don't get worn out like production lathes
11:59 PM XXCoder: ways itself looks decent but one side after ways area looks really rigght
11:59 PM XXCoder: rough
11:59 PM XXCoder: damit cant type at all today