#linuxcnc Logs
Apr 16 2017
#linuxcnc Calendar
12:29 AM Crom: probe failed... something about que full
12:46 AM Crom: djdelorie: NICE collet chuck!
12:46 AM djdelorie: Thanks! It's a Bison but I had to match it to a blank back
12:47 AM Crom: is that a Sheldon lathe?
12:47 AM djdelorie: South Bend model 34-B, circa 1922
12:48 AM Crom: ok, I see it now... my sheldon is a bit more rounded around the bearing cap...
12:49 AM Crom: I have a plain bearing 1945 Sheldon 10" overhead leather belt
12:49 AM Crom: bed looks really similar though...
01:39 AM Deejay: moin
01:48 AM wicki_: jau, moinsen...
02:20 AM Gene_home: Happy Easter!
02:20 AM XXCoder: not for 10 more min
02:21 AM Gene_home: Its all relative
02:21 AM archivist: I avoid relatives
02:22 AM Gene_home: needing some saintsmart cnc controler advise on wiring up some https://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/digital-stepper-motor-driver/digital-stepper-driver-kl-8070d-heat-sink-is-included/
02:22 AM XXCoder: archivist: http://www.lab-initio.com/250dpi/nz231.jpg
02:22 AM Gene_home: which conflicts with file:///C:/Users/Enduser/Desktop/Download/5axis_breakout_board-EN.pdf
02:23 AM Gene_home: currently I am following the ECG-SAVEBASE diagram..... any advise before I power it on?
02:24 AM Gene_home: will linuxcnc utilize the "enable" feature on the stepper drivers?
02:25 AM Gene_home: nice xxcoder
02:26 AM Gene_home: totally different question, anyone useing one of these with linuxcnc? https://fr.aliexpress.com/item/6-Axis-200Khz-CNC-Ethernet-Controller-Card-Breakout-Interface-Mach3-Board-for-PWM-Spindle-Motor-CNC/32662455639.html?spm=2114.06010108.3.2.3JJNSk&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_2_10152_10065_10151_10068_10130_10136_10137_10060_10138_10062_10156_10056_10055_10054_10059_10099_10103_1
02:26 AM Gene_home: 0102_10096_10148_10147_10052_10053_10142_10107_10050_10143_10051_10084_10083_10080_10082_10081_10178_10110_10111_10112_10113_10114_10037_10032_10078_10079_10077_10073_10070_10123_10124-10051,searchweb201603_9,afswitch_1,ppcSwitch_5&btsid=7bb6ab8c-84fe-4953-9056-a5a4c6905408&algo_expid=9d477bc4-fe37-4612-a105-fee4b28ab04c-0&algo_pvid=9d477bc4-fe37-4612-a105-fee4b28ab04c
02:27 AM XXCoder: you can skip everything after ?
02:27 AM XXCoder: dunno never seen that before
02:27 AM Gene_home: the NVEM you havent seen before?
02:30 AM Gene_home: Any recommended china ethernet break out boards for steppers?
02:31 AM XXCoder: myself I use BOB with 3 tb6600, one for each stepper
02:33 AM Gene_home: one of these https://fr.aliexpress.com/item/New-CNC-Single-Axis-TB6600-0-2-5A-Two-Phase-Hybrid-Stepper-Motor-Driver-Controller-manufacturer/32573404674.html?spm=2114.06010108.3.1.pA9rhf&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_2_10152_10065_10151_10068_10130_10136_10137_10060_10138_10062_10156_10056_10055_10054_10059_10099_10103_10102_10096_10148_10147_10052_10053_10142_10107_10050_10143_1
02:33 AM Gene_home: 0051_10084_10083_10080_10082_10081_10178_10110_10111_10112_10113_10114_10037_10033_10032_10078_10079_10077_10073_10070_10123_10124-10152_10151,searchweb201603_9,afswitch_1,ppcSwitch_5&btsid=ca0bb6f3-f1f1-444d-aff2-e652421624fb&algo_expid=f07e0850-3ece-4126-9e8d-98c4f38bf0ec-0&algo_pvid=f07e0850-3ece-4126-9e8d-98c4f38bf0ec
02:33 AM XXCoder: please copy only part of url that starts with http:// and end with .html, dont need rest of uit
02:34 AM XXCoder: https://fr.aliexpress.com/item/New-CNC-Single-Axis-TB6600-0-2-5A-Two-Phase-Hybrid-Stepper-Motor-Driver-Controller-manufacturer/32573404674.html
02:34 AM XXCoder: and yeah one of those
02:35 AM Gene_home: what size stepper and torque?
02:35 AM XXCoder: nema23 forgot torque but not huge
02:35 AM archivist: both are step dir, I dont see a problem
02:35 AM XXCoder: I think tb6600 maxes out at current at hmm 5a
02:35 AM XXCoder: I use only 2a
02:35 AM XXCoder: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/5-Axis-CNC-Breakout-Board-With-Optical-Coupler-for-MACH3-Stepper-Motor-Driver/32774074750.html
02:36 AM XXCoder: this is one of BOB there is few choices, I just linked first one, might not be best deal for one.
02:36 AM Gene_home: that is what I have also
02:36 AM Gene_home: did you wire up the enable?
02:37 AM XXCoder: I conencted all enable together to BOB's enable
02:37 AM XXCoder: pul dir and ena + is all connected together and connected to +v
02:38 AM Gene_home: did you connect dir+ dir+ and Enable+ to 5V on bob?
02:38 AM XXCoder: lemme take picture a second
02:38 AM Gene_home: ok.... thanks!!!!\
02:39 AM Gene_home: please tell me what you are running again?
02:39 AM Gene_home: 704?
02:40 AM XXCoder: 3040 cnc router
02:40 AM XXCoder: all + is connected to pc5v
02:41 AM XXCoder: uploading pic
02:42 AM XXCoder: http://picpaste.com/IMG_20170416_000946-T5DKsHKO.jpg
02:42 AM XXCoder: there is another red loop connecting ena+ to dir+ but not visiable
02:43 AM Gene_home: many thanks! Looks like what I have. Any issues with using cat5 for the BOB <-> Driver step/dir/enable?
02:44 AM XXCoder: should not, only small current I think?
02:44 AM XXCoder: I just used speaker cables because I have serious overstock of those.
02:45 AM Gene_home: can you recommend another bob popular with the linuxcnc croud?
02:45 AM XXCoder: not reallym, I dont know whats popular
02:45 AM Gene_home: im leaning toward a cheap ethernet solution
02:45 AM XXCoder: I just picked those system to work well, and boy does it work way better than old tb6560 system i had ugh
02:46 AM Gene_home: good job, and the price is right
02:46 AM archivist: er wot, I know on no sensible ethernet BOB
02:47 AM XXCoder: unless guy meant cabling
02:47 AM XXCoder: signal dont use much current if I remember right
02:48 AM archivist: it does not, but the cable is not designed for flexing
02:48 AM Gene_home: sorry... two different discussions. I have the same bob as XXCoder, and thanks for helping me wire it correctly
02:49 AM XXCoder: no problem
02:49 AM archivist: being single core it must be clamped in a vibrating situation
02:49 AM Gene_home: second question is what is the croud using for non-printer port, non-sub port, just straight ethernet........ i will find an example
02:50 AM archivist: my cncs have no ethernet most of the time, only for updates
02:51 AM MacGalempsy: yoddles
02:51 AM archivist: you can now use ethernet to a mesa card though
02:51 AM MacGalempsy: sweet beans!
02:53 AM Gene_home: https://warp9td.com/
02:53 AM Gene_home: http://www.pmdx.com/pmdx-126
02:53 AM Gene_home: https://www.amazon.com/Ethernet-SmoothStepper-CNC-Motion-Controller/dp/B00R8FNLW4
02:54 AM Gene_home: http://www.ebay.com/itm/CNC-Breakout-Board-Ethernet-Smooth-Stepper-Mach3-Motion-Controller-CM106-ESS-/180836283124
02:54 AM archivist: those dont play with linuxcnc not do as much so unsupported in here
02:57 AM Gene_home: https://cnc4pc.com/c32s-dual-port-multifunction-board.html
02:57 AM archivist: we dont support smooth stepper
02:58 AM Gene_home: are you one of the coders?
03:00 AM archivist: no, you are asking ford questions in a Ferrari garage
03:00 AM Gene_home: thanks for the insight, now I dont have to research that anymore :)
03:01 AM archivist: smooth stepper is a "cure" for the problems in mach but misses on quite a few things we have
03:02 AM XXCoder: honestly all you need is BOB and a tb6600 each stepper
03:02 AM XXCoder: if its basic machine
03:02 AM XXCoder: bigger machines I have no idea
03:02 AM XXCoder: whats your machine anyway
03:03 AM Gene_home: many thanks for clearing that up.... the advertising makes it sound like it is superior to the printer port option.
03:03 AM XXCoder: it is fanastic for 3d printing, expecially if you has a delta
03:03 AM Gene_home: grizzley 704 hoss type
03:03 AM XXCoder: but here is cnc machinist, specifically machines using linuxcnc
03:04 AM XXCoder: http://www.migration.g0704.com/images/g0704_det2.jpg
03:04 AM XXCoder: converting one to cnc eh
03:04 AM archivist: you wont be doing solid tapping with mach and those toys
03:04 AM Gene_home: ya... taking me a long time... had to learn how to run the bridgeport...
03:04 AM archivist: but you can with linuxcnc
03:05 AM Gene_home: :)
03:05 AM XXCoder: those toy is stronger than my cnc router hehg
03:05 AM Gene_home: any thoughts on one of these for aluminum? https://fr.aliexpress.com/item/K12-100mm-4-jaw-Chuck-100mm-CNC-4th-axis-A-aixs-rotary-axis-tailstock-for/1864454735.html
03:06 AM archivist: I use a rotary table from Vertex, not one of those
03:06 AM XXCoder: I hate how aliexpress changes my language if I see other person link and it arent english bleh
03:07 AM archivist: similar cost but a hell of a lot stronger
03:07 AM archivist: its french today not engrish
03:07 AM Gene_home: did you add a stepper to it?
03:08 AM archivist: yes
03:09 AM Gene_home: I think you did the right thing.... dont know if I have the motivation to do that with the head and one for the table :(
03:09 AM archivist: it is here during the build http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2008/2008_01_19_cnc/P1190004.JPG
03:09 AM XXCoder: cheap https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/Sliding-Table-parts-RepRap-3D-Printer-THSL-300-8D-T-type-T8-Lead-Screw-Copper-Nut/718232_32603387807.html
03:10 AM XXCoder: can use that to cnc-ize my really shitty lathe lol
03:10 AM archivist: later on with 5 axis http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2009/2009_05_27_cnc_making_pin_wheel/IMG_0251.JPG
03:11 AM Gene_home: nice :)
03:11 AM archivist: the 5th is hidden here but can see the drive http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2009/2009_05_26_cnc/IMG_0247.JPG
03:12 AM Gene_home: did you make the stepper mount?
03:13 AM archivist: yes on the 5th
03:13 AM archivist: just a pair of plates and some spacers
03:13 AM Gene_home: would you do it again? or try a different table etc?
03:14 AM XXCoder: you have mill, and know how to use it manually you can build all parts needed to convert it to cnc.
03:14 AM archivist: the XYZ mounts I made too http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2008/2008_10_07_Richards_of_Burton_clockworks/p1010244.jpg
03:14 AM XXCoder: besides electrics.
03:15 AM archivist: I have access to lathes, one of the most commonly used tools
03:16 AM archivist: I still dont have a general purpose vertical mill :(
03:18 AM Gene_home: https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/my-drive
03:19 AM archivist: I cannot see anithing on google drive or images
03:19 AM Gene_home: https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/my-drive
03:19 AM Gene_home: hmmm
03:20 AM Gene_home: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxzCn2XeIZMqM1c2UTRSZEczbDg/view?usp=sharing
03:20 AM Gene_home: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxzCn2XeIZMqSVRFSDNSeHo3UDA/view?usp=sharing
03:20 AM archivist: I see a white screen on this browser it is plain broken js
03:20 AM Gene_home: this is what I would like to do......
03:21 AM Gene_home: crap
03:21 AM archivist: why they cant just use plain html I dont know
03:22 AM Gene_home: can you try the last two again and see if they come up?
03:22 AM archivist: I did try
03:22 AM XXCoder: archivist: https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/aBCFwMQpHMNLYbJh6wmsxtwmsWii88GtSOBEcJO4GQWH7vJAOXmL8ewq1_sxGlkbZRnVgUUFUVm_YyA
03:23 AM archivist: http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/grabs/Screenshot-51.png
03:24 AM XXCoder: did you try my link? should be direct image
03:26 AM archivist: I can see the direct link from xxcoder, just use a more sensible site like imgur
03:26 AM XXCoder: yeah that site sucks
03:26 AM XXCoder: or just use picpaste
03:27 AM archivist: I have to go play(drive) http://www.middleton-leawood.org.uk/
03:28 AM Gene_home: http://picpaste.com/4th_axis_12-xdtqIJS6.jpg
03:28 AM archivist: almost the same as my 5th
03:29 AM Gene_home: http://picpaste.com/5th_axis_44-nfl7IC0o.jpg
03:30 AM archivist: if you look linuxcnc has the kins for that so you can drill at an angle
03:32 AM Gene_home: http://www.wttool.com/index/page/product/product_id/20850/product_name/RDX+Rotary+Table&update_continue_shopping=true
03:33 AM Gene_home: any recommendations?
03:33 AM XXCoder: I want to add 4th but even tiny ones out there is too tall for my machine lol
03:34 AM archivist: rarely do you see One minute of arc accuracy for that price, seems ok
03:36 AM Gene_home: many thanks xxcoder and archivist!!! time for me to crash
03:36 AM XXCoder: ltr and np
03:36 AM XXCoder: *later and no problem
03:45 AM Gene_home: Thanks in advance, can someone recommend a good printer port card to use on my J1900N-D3V? Happy Easter!
03:54 AM Gene_home: Sounds like Intek21 TK9902, and StarTech PCI1P are my options....
04:04 AM XXCoder: theres suggested types on loinuxcnc wiki but dunno how updated
05:19 AM IchGucksLive: hi and happy eastern From Germany
05:19 AM XXCoder: hey ich
05:19 AM XXCoder: I got magnets, expoxied it in spindle fan inside
05:20 AM IchGucksLive: Gene_home: still on
05:20 AM XXCoder: I used more magnets outside to hold magnet to place inside magnets in right spot lol
05:20 AM IchGucksLive: XXCoder: beware of the EM
05:21 AM XXCoder: its for tachometer
05:21 AM IchGucksLive: opto is better
05:22 AM IchGucksLive: and on 30cent also cheeper
05:22 AM XXCoder: can do that I guess but already has mafgnetic setup
05:22 AM IchGucksLive: smile and keep going
05:24 AM IchGucksLive: XXCoder: you need to work on your wire color code
05:26 AM IchGucksLive: XXCoder: what is Gene_home up against
05:26 AM XXCoder: I guess heh
05:26 AM XXCoder: oh hes still making decisions on what to do
05:26 AM XXCoder: what options are and so on
05:27 AM IchGucksLive: is he in the us
05:27 AM XXCoder: dunno?
05:28 AM IchGucksLive: ok im off bye till later
05:28 AM IchGucksLive: get you some meat before sleep
05:37 AM jthornton: morning
05:56 AM XXCoder: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Hollow-Shaft-Router-4th-Axis-A-Axis-ER32-Collet-3-20mm-CNC-Engraving-Machine-/261977712037
05:56 AM XXCoder: I wonder how fast that can rotate lol
05:56 AM XXCoder: hey jt
06:00 AM jthornton: hey
06:01 AM XXCoder: http://s3.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/photoshop/3/4/1/176341_slide.jpg
06:01 AM XXCoder: heh
06:02 AM jthornton: keeep scrolling down to the specs
06:03 AM XXCoder: 80 rpm
06:03 AM XXCoder: bet place gear other way it can be quite fast
06:03 AM XXCoder: lets see
06:04 AM XXCoder: 3125 rpm if gear is other way
06:04 AM XXCoder: dont look possible to do so but interesting
06:15 AM jthornton: a triple stack nema 23 should do 1500 rpm easy
06:22 AM XXCoder: yeah
06:22 AM XXCoder: though doubt I will get 4th
06:31 AM XXCoder: dude hit the fracking e-stop!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w21sLcaNsK4
06:32 AM XXCoder: apparently guy was upstairs
06:32 AM XXCoder: so he wasnt watching the unproven program runninbg
07:10 AM XXCoder: jthornton: I must be insane lol ordered 2 createbots for $50
07:10 AM XXCoder: total, not each
07:10 AM jthornton: link
07:11 AM XXCoder: second though you gonna get app for more discounts. a sec
07:11 AM XXCoder: https://www.wish.com/c/58b960278ecd5771acc0ebc7
07:12 AM XXCoder: in app you should input hgqxxxx put whatever abcs charactor in xs and try many different ones, I tried 10 times before getting 45%.
07:12 AM XXCoder: 50% is max possible
07:12 AM XXCoder: $33 45% off that is rather large discount.
07:13 AM XXCoder: one guy got 50% with hgrfdls my 45% was hgqhhhj though it probably wont be same for you.
07:13 AM XXCoder: "made from firm mental"
07:14 AM XXCoder: I used paypal in case lol
07:19 AM jthornton: is that the super MINI createbot?
07:19 AM XXCoder: yeah its rather small
07:19 AM XXCoder: unit size is 180mmx180mmx200mm I think
07:20 AM R2E4_bevins: mornin, evening, afternoon
07:20 AM XXCoder: hey
07:20 AM XXCoder: insane 3d printer deal lol
07:20 AM jthornton: morning
07:21 AM R2E4_bevins: remap is a wonderful thing....... When you get it working....lol
07:21 AM XXCoder: max possible of 50% of $33 for printer :P
07:21 AM XXCoder: I got 45% couldnt find 50% decided 5% didnt matter
07:21 AM jthornton: now you need to share how you got remap to work lol
07:22 AM XXCoder: yeah in some website please lol
07:22 AM R2E4_bevins: lol, no problem, what format would you like
07:22 AM XXCoder: expecially linuxcnc wiki
07:22 AM jthornton: text file
07:22 AM R2E4_bevins: want the code also?
07:23 AM R2E4_bevins: It is really well documented...
07:23 AM jthornton: if it shows how to get something done yes
07:24 AM * jthornton heads for the shop
07:24 AM XXCoder: 126 bucks for closed loop nema23 lol
07:24 AM XXCoder: imange 50% discount on that, but nah
07:29 AM R2E4_bevins: Can I do a M70 before a Toolchange and M72 right after a Toolchange? to retore the modal state?
08:04 AM Tom_itx: nothing like a good thunderstorm in the middle of the night...
08:05 AM XXCoder: awesome!
08:05 AM XXCoder: too bad its rare here. I missed ark state thunderstorms.
08:06 AM XXCoder: jthornton: it now says its almost out lol
08:06 AM XXCoder: so looks like they have count, so less chance of "oops too many orders cancel"
08:06 AM XXCoder: its literally 1/4 the cost of parts lol
08:06 AM XXCoder: crazy.
08:06 AM XXCoder: JT-Shop:
08:13 AM JT-Shop: hey
08:13 AM XXCoder: yo
08:15 AM XXCoder: I hope I actually get em lol
08:37 AM Jymmm: Eeeesh, sorry guys. Seems everything is breaking here.
08:44 AM JT-Shop: Tom_itx: I think we will get some of that later today
08:44 AM Tom_itx: looks that way
08:44 AM Tom_itx: lots of energy in that one
08:51 AM DrippityDrops: If I were ridgid tapping a with a direct drive servo, all I need is a stall torque > tapping torque.....right?
08:54 AM pcw_home: peak stall torque > tapping torque
08:54 AM DrippityDrops: ty pcw_home
08:54 AM pcw_home: peak stall torque > peak tapping torque
08:55 AM DrippityDrops: yeah, so dull tap = no turn
08:55 AM DrippityDrops: if I ride the line
08:55 AM DrippityDrops: its 3/8-16 @ 5/8 deep into 303SS
08:56 AM pcw_home: sounds pretty tough
08:56 AM DrippityDrops: X 10,000 pcs
08:56 AM DrippityDrops: =D
08:58 AM DrippityDrops: this is the servo tapper I made, i just dont think the servo is big enough for this tap job
08:58 AM DrippityDrops: https://vimeo.com/212690959
08:59 AM * Jymmm would HIGHLY suggest that you backup *ALL* of your logins in PLAIN TEXT to some (secure) place you can access them from any/everywhere, even when offline.
09:00 AM Jymmm: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/password-exporter/
09:00 AM Jymmm: ...and that you make a backup of the backup too, and NOT keep them in the same place.
09:01 AM pcw_home: unless you have a huge spindle/machine you probably want a special geared down tapping spindle
09:01 AM JT-Shop: I usually look at the cutting edge of a tap under the microscope before using it to make sure the cutting edge is not starting to break down
09:30 AM R2E4_bevins: ok ,now to get tool offsets to work........
09:47 AM DrippityDrops: Im trying to debate on just building a leadscrew tapping spindle out of the head im currently using, but really if i can just use two pulley and get the spindle to tap the way it is... I would prefer to just use what I got. my only issue with a gearbox is backlash.
09:49 AM DrippityDrops: maybe a drive like this, I think it would be less good for this application no? http://www.ebay.com/itm/Harmonic-Reduction-Drive-Gear-SPINEA-TS-170-59-TB-/232176208197?hash=item360ec7c945:g:~CgAAOSw44BYU45p
10:00 AM R2E4_bevins: Tool Table in Touch Off window not available any more? That was removed?
10:07 AM DrippityDrops: om nom nom https://worcester.craigslist.org/tld/6039522144.html
10:45 AM * JT-Shop is still trying to remember where he put the 4 500' spools of MTW
10:49 AM R2E4_bevins: JT-Shop, lol, thats what happens when you get old
10:50 AM Jymmm: Has anyone done any 3D optical scanning to produce 2D/3D mechanical drawings?
11:01 AM wicki_: anybody here, who has connected a rasbperry 2 to a ta6560-controllerboard? (4-channel-standardboard from china)
11:02 AM wicki_: there should be optocopplers on board, but on the board-input are 5V against ground. a little bit too much for a gpio-output.....
11:08 AM JT-Shop: yea I can find the box that they used to be in...
11:18 AM SpeedEvil: wicki_: Understand the input circuitry
11:18 AM SpeedEvil: wicki_: It may well be it's quite happy with 3.3V
11:18 AM SpeedEvil: And does not require 5
11:19 AM wicki_: yes - I know - but the level of the board _input_ has 5volt against the connected grounds of raspi and board
11:20 AM wicki_: so I'm a little bit afraid to connect it....
11:21 AM wicki_: my stack of broken raspi-gpios is high enough
11:22 AM SpeedEvil: As a general point, 1K resistors on every GPIO makes things enormously robust
11:23 AM SpeedEvil: I don't know what controller you're using.
11:25 AM wicki_: 08/15-ta6560 from china.... like this one: https://www.amazon.de/SainSmart-TB6560-Schrittmotor-Steuerung-Controller/dp/B0090XB6Y2/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1492358082&sr=8-6&keywords=schrittmotorsteuerung
11:28 AM Jymmm: pdf manual http://www.sainsmart.com/zen/documents/20-019-202/ST6560T3%20Stepping_motor%20driver_board%20manual.pdf
11:28 AM Jymmm: https://www.amazon.com/SainSmart-TB6560-Stepper-Motor-Controller/dp/B0093Y89RA
11:28 AM wicki_: and with one k in line, it won't drive the input - I think
11:30 AM wicki_: Jymmm: I have the board, I have the manual - I would not ask, if the answer was in it....
11:32 AM SpeedEvil: https://toshiba.semicon-storage.com/info/docget.jsp?did=28726&prodName=TB6560AHQ says that the minimum input high voltage is 2V.
11:32 AM SpeedEvil: I'm not sure what teh problem is
11:32 AM SpeedEvil: And the input current is 80uA worst case
11:34 AM wicki_: the problem is: any voltage above 4 volts kills the raspi-gpio. and an input should not have 5volt against ground.
11:34 AM chopper79: hello hello
11:35 AM Jymmm: wicki_: Then use a level shifter?
11:36 AM wicki_: I'll try something.... now....
11:36 AM SpeedEvil: wicki_: What do you think '5V against ground' means.
11:36 AM SpeedEvil: you connect the grounds together, then you connect the Pi GPIO to the board input.
11:36 AM SpeedEvil: The boards inputs do not drive the Pi.
11:44 AM wicki_: that is what I said: a board _input_ should have no voltage against ground. maybe, an high-impedance-creeping-voltage because of bad layout. but if I put 100k betwen the empty input and ground, the voltage only goes down from 5.1volt to 4.9volt. I'm shure: if I connect this input with the aspi output, it will kill the gpio
11:44 AM chopper79: I have been going through the gladevcp manual. I seen that there is a tool editor widget and an offset page. These are in section 6.25 and 6.26 of the manual. I am interested in if these tables can be embedded into tab in axis?
11:45 AM chopper79: I can create tabs in axis that are placed above the backplot but not sure if these items can be embedded in those tabs.
11:46 AM SpeedEvil: wicki_: The TB* datasheet says all inptus are internally pulled down
11:46 AM SpeedEvil: So something is odd. Is the TB* the first chip connected to the inputs, and is anything else connected to teh input
11:46 AM chopper79: Part of me thought about just switching to gmoccapy (which I love the features) but like the responsivness of axis.
11:48 AM SpeedEvil: Ah. '• Optical isolated (IO' you need to work out how this works, and what the actual input chip is
11:49 AM R2E4_bevins: Is T0 M6 valid? that is suppose to place currenttool in spindle into pocket?
11:50 AM wicki_: SpeedEvil: they call it "opto-isolated" - but it isn't really, I think. its some kind of china-opto-isolation which is designed for 5volt-ttl-logic
11:51 AM SpeedEvil: wicki_: err... That's not what optoisolated means.
11:51 AM SpeedEvil: Optoisolated simply means the inputs are disconnected electrically from the local ground
11:51 AM SpeedEvil: IT says nothing about the input design
11:52 AM wicki_: SpeedEvil: as I told you: they call ist isolated - but it isn't!
11:52 AM SpeedEvil: You may need to disconnect a jumper.
11:52 AM SpeedEvil: (assuming it is not screwed up design)
11:53 AM SpeedEvil: Find what the input chip is, and then look its input design up to get a good handle on what's going on
11:55 AM wicki_: I will put a 74xxx in front of it tomorrow
11:57 AM SpeedEvil: What are the two chips just next to the parallel port
12:00 PM wicki_: 74HC14D and 6N137 - and 2 resistor-arrays
12:01 PM lhc: Guys - I was flailing around the Linuxcnc site and ended up in here with no clue about commands or even how to exit .... lol... can someone help me ? Thanks
12:07 PM SpeedEvil: wicki_: Work out what the resistor arrays are doing. IT's likely they are pullups to 5v
12:07 PM SpeedEvil: wicki_: you may be able to simply disconnect the +5V and connect to 0V, so they're pulldowns.
12:08 PM R2E4_bevins: lhc: exit what, and what commands are you looking for?
12:13 PM wicki_: SpeedEvil: I do not want to make changes in the board. I'll try it with a 74xx or a PIC in front of it.
12:21 PM IchGucksLive: hi from germany
12:23 PM IchGucksLive: wicki_: are you converting the 5v to 3.3
12:26 PM IchGucksLive: the elecronic inside the tb6600 will operate at 3.3V
12:26 PM IchGucksLive: no need at all to change to 5V
12:30 PM IchGucksLive: wicky you can also use a ULN2803 Darlington array
12:30 PM IchGucksLive: less parts as pullups are inside
12:36 PM wicki_: I will check it tomorrow. its so stupid! opto-isolators with pullups on the input... *schauder* ...
12:46 PM IchGucksLive: get the 3.3V to the tb6600 EN+Dir+CK+
12:46 PM IchGucksLive: it will work
12:46 PM IchGucksLive: make a small test code and see
12:47 PM IchGucksLive: BUT keep in mind the signal at that level is highliy restricted
12:47 PM IchGucksLive: cable max length <0,5m
12:48 PM IchGucksLive: use doble isolated silicon
12:48 PM IchGucksLive: as in the CAT6
12:50 PM Crom: Morning, probing failed using flat file and loop as well... Queue full error
12:51 PM IchGucksLive: Crom you are a unlucky man
12:51 PM Crom: Nah, I'm lucky in that I find all the problems!
12:53 PM archivist: wicki_, the opto isolators are isolated, connect to whatever voltage, but remember the series resistor is set to give you a certain current at 5 v the current at 3.3 can be too low
12:54 PM Crom: Better I find it then someone not experienced in trouble shooting...
12:55 PM archivist: which queue is full?
12:58 PM Crom: Haven't figured that out yet. Flat file was using (PROBEFILE bkah.ngc) and loop was using (LOG....
01:00 PM archivist: there is some strangeness with queues in linuxcnc and note the term "queue busters", I was logging one day and ended up with an empty file
01:04 PM Crom: Queue is not empty after probing
01:04 PM Crom: is the actual error
01:08 PM Crom: emc/task/emctask.cc 397: interp_error: Queue is not empty after probing68328)
01:09 PM Crom: emc/task/emctask.cc 397: interp_error: Queue is not empty after probing
01:10 PM Crom: LOG(G1 X21.000000 Y2.300000 Z-5.156492) was last output before error
01:10 PM archivist: add something so you know how far through it was
01:10 PM Crom: Y 24th loop and X at 240*22+210
01:11 PM Crom: it was going to X24.0 (240loops) and Y24.0 (240loops)
01:11 PM archivist: might need to hack the source to increase length or fix it
01:11 PM Crom: from X0y0
01:12 PM Crom: yep.. finding 2.8.0-pre* source now
01:13 PM archivist: from comments I have seen in various places this is might be a rabbit hole :)
01:17 PM IchGucksLive: Gn8
01:25 PM Crom: cloning...
02:08 PM Crom: cloned on second try
02:15 PM Crom: ahhh it's a motion.traj error...
02:16 PM Crom: emcStatus->motion.traj.queue
02:17 PM archivist: seb_kuzminsky, might want to know your findings
02:18 PM Crom: k...
02:19 PM Crom: hmmm since it's motion.traj gonna try slowing feed rate...
02:19 PM archivist: not sure who else know the queue
02:35 PM Crom: email sent
02:52 PM The_Ball: For the Mesanet Mesa 7i77 card, there is a RS-422 port for additional expansion IO. Anyone know which Mesa card is used for this?
02:54 PM JT-Shop: https://mesaus.com/index.php?route=product/category&path=72
02:54 PM JT-Shop: all the cards on that page
02:55 PM The_Ball: Thanks, discovered that I need a ton more IO than I thought
02:56 PM JT-Shop: if you need more than one I/O card get one of these https://mesaus.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=62&product_id=107
02:59 PM The_Ball: Hmm, I wouldn't be able to use the 7i77 with this setup would I? So I have a 6i25 & 7i77 ATM
03:03 PM JT-Shop: which setup?
03:06 PM Crom: scanning at F120 instead of F360, see if the Motion.traj.queue can keep up
03:07 PM The_Ball: JT-Shop, The 7i74 seems to use the parallel cable port which I'm using for the 7i77, so I wouldn't be able to use the 7i77 with "that setup
03:08 PM JT-Shop: You use one of these https://mesaus.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=71&product_id=70
03:08 PM JT-Shop: and flash the 5/6i25 with 7i77-7i74 firmware
03:08 PM The_Ball: JT-Shop, ah, excellent!
03:09 PM JT-Shop: https://mesaus.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=72&product_id=103 gives you 48 I/O 32 in 16 out
03:11 PM andypugh: Some interesting techniques: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6CfzNqDR7M
03:11 PM The_Ball: JT-Shop, the project :) https://owncloud.wigen.net/index.php/s/8ONChT2OaKKxtH9
03:11 PM andypugh: Tiny parts and a tiny TIG welder.
03:17 PM skunkworks: The_Ball, what is it?
03:18 PM JT-Shop: bunch of wires there...
03:18 PM skunkworks: andypugh, I giggle at the name...
03:19 PM The_Ball: skunkworks, modig 5000, old swedish mill
03:19 PM skunkworks: The_Ball, nice!
03:20 PM The_Ball: needs some love, but should be good
03:40 PM The_Ball: andypugh, awesome video
03:40 PM andypugh: skunkworks: What name?
03:41 PM skunkworks: roger moore
03:41 PM skunkworks: common name for you Brits?
03:42 PM skunkworks: ;)
03:43 PM andypugh: Not _that_ unusual.
03:46 PM Crom: woooo $13000 surfboard cnc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awQIgS0oPk4
03:46 PM Crom: mostly 8020 extrution
04:09 PM Crom: sheeshza 10 spring passes for the M3 thread
04:32 PM Crom: uploading mind numbingly boring probing video of 4ish minutes
04:33 PM JT-Shop: http://gnipsel.com/images/nut-setter/nut-setter-08.jpg
04:33 PM JT-Shop: finally got that pia job done
04:36 PM Deejay: gn8
04:36 PM Crom: nite Deejay
04:37 PM Deejay: :)
04:38 PM zeeshan: jt
04:38 PM zeeshan: what are those allen bradley yellow things
04:43 PM JT-Shop: palm switches
04:43 PM XXCoder: heys
04:43 PM JT-Shop: you just have to touch them
04:44 PM zeeshan: so you touch them together
04:44 PM zeeshan: and that is the only way the machine works?
04:44 PM JT-Shop: aye
04:48 PM XXCoder: wow looks nice JT-Shop
04:48 PM XXCoder: now build me large cnc mill ;)
04:48 PM JT-Shop: thanks it's a budget build so not fancy
04:48 PM JT-Shop: I have one :)
04:51 PM XXCoder: lol ok
04:51 PM The_Ball: JT-Shop, is the probe in nut-setter-02 home made?
04:54 PM JT-Shop: no, I bought it
04:55 PM The_Ball: I'm looking for a probe in the <$250 range, is that probe in that range?
04:55 PM JT-Shop: yea, it was like $150 or so
04:59 PM The_Ball: Let me know if you remember the name of the vendor
05:01 PM miek: another option is the econo-probe
05:02 PM The_Ball: miek, thanks, looking
05:06 PM JT-Shop: The_Ball: search for tp1000 cnc touch probe
05:06 PM {HD}: Anyone made their own MPG? That is my next project. If it is going to be too much time/effort I am just going to buy an HB04...
05:07 PM The_Ball: JT-Shop, cheers, check you PM for a Mesa question please
05:07 PM XXCoder: mpg?
05:09 PM {HD}: XXCoder: manual pulse gen?( I don't know if that is what it stands for...) a pendant/wheel
05:09 PM XXCoder: ahh yes
05:09 PM XXCoder: joh wheel
05:09 PM {HD}: yea
05:09 PM XXCoder: handwheel. few names
05:09 PM XXCoder: yeah im wondering too. make or buy pendant lol
05:10 PM JT-Shop: The_Ball: I'm not seeing the guy I bought that probe from
05:10 PM Cromaglious_: On pilgrimage to Harbor Freight, Murrieta, CA
05:11 PM {HD}: XXCoder: I like the look of this one but it is $60...
05:11 PM {HD}: You can get a wired HB04 for &70
05:11 PM Cromaglious_: Probe?
05:12 PM {HD}: lol, I forgot the link...
05:12 PM {HD}: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Universal-CNC-4-Axis-MPG-Pendant-Handwheel-Emergency-Stop-for-FAGOR-GSK-System-/142157794998?hash=item211943ceb6:g:hcgAAOSwA3dYDE-n
05:20 PM Cromaglious_: Thunk i have a decent idea for a probe... I'll turn a bit of delrin, face it, drill a pilot hole for a m3 thread. Thread it. Use the threaded hole to clamp it to. A faced piece of oak. Face the back side and using 1/8" ball end mill groove it for the 1/8" brass rodd.
05:22 PM The_Ball: oak?
05:22 PM XXCoder: thats not bad {HD} looking at what its interface is
05:22 PM XXCoder: apparently bunch of raw wires
05:23 PM XXCoder: 10 of em?
05:23 PM XXCoder: probably need seperate parallel for that
05:23 PM XXCoder: good thing I has it
05:26 PM {HD}: XXCoder: yea I figured another parallel port with BOB but. If
05:26 PM XXCoder: 16 wires
05:26 PM {HD}: I could make my own thing cheaper/cooler/exactly what I want then I would.
05:26 PM XXCoder: if there is way to read out resist value, then can combine pretty lot of those into few wires.
05:27 PM XXCoder: like axis select, inf, 10k, 20k 30k resists
05:30 PM {HD}: XXCoder: that's too many wires. I wonder if I could just use a Arduino and comport communication.
05:30 PM XXCoder: hmm oprobably if you can output values
05:30 PM XXCoder: you better get it close to RT though use INTs and suchj
05:48 PM andypugh: XXCoder: You can play games with diodes to encode many pins into binary patterns.
05:49 PM andypugh: (4 values on 2 inputs, 8 values on 3 pins)
05:53 PM XXCoder: interesting
05:53 PM XXCoder: yeah would work I bet
05:53 PM XXCoder: still amazed I bought 2 $225 printers for $50 lol
06:01 PM JT-Shop: you get shipping conformation?
06:01 PM Cromaglious_: Theball. I have a bunch of pallet oak
06:02 PM XXCoder: JT-Shop: processed and getting ready to be shipped
06:02 PM XXCoder: ordered any? heh
06:03 PM XXCoder: it has quality parts
06:04 PM Cromaglious_: Hd I'm slowly working on ethernet arduino mega hal interface
06:05 PM Cromaglious_: Then i can use laptop for linuxcnc
06:06 PM Cromaglious_: No printer port
06:06 PM XXCoder: just buy 8 year old computer or something
06:06 PM XXCoder: upgrade it as much as possible
06:06 PM XXCoder: and get decent video card for it. done.
06:06 PM Cromaglious_: From another room
06:08 PM Cromaglious_: I could send a job from any computer to any mill/laser/..
06:09 PM XXCoder: cool
06:14 PM Cromaglious_: I get free laptops pretty often
06:14 PM Cromaglious_: No hd's though
06:15 PM XXCoder: dang lol
06:15 PM Cromaglious_: Donations to the creatorspace
06:15 PM XXCoder: but no free pcs?
06:15 PM Cromaglious_: Free pc's are crappier than the laptops
06:16 PM Cromaglious_: Laptops i can get dual cores....
06:16 PM XXCoder: not surpising, pcs tend to run longer.
06:18 PM Cromaglious_: California... People get new laptops pretty often
06:18 PM XXCoder: im kinda surpised
06:19 PM XXCoder: I'd think tablets would take over
06:19 PM Cromaglious_: They have those as we
06:19 PM Cromaglious_: Ll
06:19 PM Cromaglious_: Bit
06:20 PM Cromaglious_: But laptops have keyboards....
06:20 PM XXCoder: perfect for hipsters writing stories. supposely
06:21 PM Cromaglious_: Linuxcnc on a octacore linux phone going to ethernet mill?
06:22 PM Cromaglious_: Touch screen....
06:22 PM XXCoder: lol dunno
06:23 PM Cromaglious_: My phone is a quad core.. 2ghz
06:27 PM Cromaglious_: Already looking a Motorola razr droid for quassel core. 20watts insteads of 100watts... Oh never mind it's on a rpi3 which is only 20watts
06:29 PM Cromaglious_: Hmmm. Bbiab looking at raspberry pi hats
06:36 PM {HD}: Who had the ebay links for the 15$ manual pulse generator handwheel?
06:37 PM XXCoder: me
06:37 PM XXCoder: easy enough to find though
06:37 PM XXCoder: just watch what volt you want
06:39 PM XXCoder: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Hand-wheel-Pulse-Encoder-100PPR-CNC-Mill-Router-Manual-Control-For-CNC-System-5v-/291614678633
06:39 PM XXCoder: 5v one
06:42 PM {HD}: XXCoder: Yea, that one. I am going to sniff around for other people that have DIYed a solution.
06:42 PM XXCoder: yeah
06:42 PM XXCoder: buttsmelling heh
06:42 PM XXCoder: ;)
06:46 PM R2E4_bevins: Cannot use epilog and prolog stdglue in pure python remap. This really should be in bold in the docs....
07:23 PM Cromaglious_: Inet being really slow... Been trying to load the dc & step hat page
07:28 PM Cromaglious_: Bad hat!
07:29 PM Cromaglious_: Looking at it rpi has carp for io pins. Maybe stacking those stepper hats might be the way to go...
07:32 PM Cromaglious_: Nah.. ... Arduino mega ethernet looks to be cheaper...
07:36 PM {HD}: Cromaglious_: Are you using the official ethernet shield?
07:41 PM Crom: official clone
07:41 PM Crom: w5100
07:43 PM Crom: one with the sdc reader on it... so I have pin 4 from the shield not hooked up or pin 10. got pin10 from the shield going to the proper pin 53
07:44 PM Crom: Ill have to recompile the ethernet lib on the arduino
07:45 PM Crom: still probing... passed the spot it fail last time...
07:45 PM Crom: it's repeating to within .000002mm
07:49 PM SpeedEvil: :)
07:49 PM XXCoder: "offical clone" lol oxymoron term
07:49 PM XXCoder: still, better than clone of clone
07:51 PM Crom: though via step resolution it should be 0.005mm 1/200 of a mm
07:52 PM Gene_work: xxcoder... you still there?
07:52 PM XXCoder: yep whats up
07:52 PM Gene_work: ran my first g code today!!!!!!!!!!! Many thanks!
07:52 PM Gene_work: Thanks to Archivist also!!!!!
07:52 PM XXCoder: congats :)
07:52 PM Crom: yay!
07:52 PM XXCoder: made part well?
07:53 PM Gene_work: no... the spindle is not attached at the moment
07:54 PM Gene_work: dunno if I should focus on home switches, upgrade spindle/motor, add oiler for the ways........... so much to do
07:54 PM Gene_work: do you have a recommendation
07:54 PM Crom: what kind of ways?
07:55 PM Gene_work: ahhh dovetail with wedge gibs..... grizzly 704
07:55 PM Crom: limit switches...
07:55 PM Gene_work: limits or homes....
07:56 PM Crom: just remember to oild ways between each use right now
07:56 PM Crom: homes then limits
07:58 PM Crom: actually.. covers/shields to keep swarf/chips from fouling where homes/limits will be
08:00 PM Gene_work: is jon elson on here?
08:00 PM Crom: then you can think about using micro switches with debounce capacitors, optical, or induction. Since it's a 0704.. I'd not use hall effect
08:00 PM Gene_work: Jon elson with Pico Systems?
08:06 PM Gene_work: any recommendations on home and limits for a grizzly 704?
08:06 PM XXCoder: theres bunch of options
08:06 PM XXCoder: optical induction magnetic switche
08:07 PM XXCoder: all have pros and cons and I dont really know enough
08:07 PM Gene_work: dont want magnetic
08:07 PM XXCoder: induction is very nice no contact I would think but havent tried that outside 3d printer
08:08 PM XXCoder: my cnc rouyter currently only have magnetic for tachometer. no home or limit switch
08:08 PM {HD}: I went micro switches...easy to use setup. And I can click them by hand to make sure they are working.
08:08 PM Gene_work: what is that picture upload website?
08:08 PM XXCoder: is yours smash into switch or positioned so it gets hit but not smashed into?
08:09 PM XXCoder: picpaste
08:09 PM {HD}: Nothing i have gets "smashed"!
08:10 PM XXCoder: no, I meant position switch that something moves towards it, and if switch fails machine would crush it
08:11 PM {HD}: If switch fails the machine would pivot it out of the way. Would still be undesirable.
08:11 PM XXCoder: indeed.
08:12 PM Gene_work: http://picpaste.com/Home_Limit_Switch_02-81DDtAbX.jpg
08:13 PM Gene_work: https://www.circuitspecialists.com/66-4002.html
08:13 PM Crom: I have a pair of pliers I use to check inductions for the light to come on. On my control box I have a magnet to check my halleffects ( I have a 3040 so no ferrous)
08:14 PM Crom: like {HD}said.. you can click your microswitches...
08:16 PM Gene_work: http://www.wallcoinc.com/Moujen_MN_5311_Mini_Enclosed_Limit_Switch_10A_250_p/wal57-mn-5311.htm
08:16 PM {HD}: Gene_work: the 66 4002
08:17 PM {HD}: Those look pretty similar to what I'm using.
08:18 PM Gene_work: so..... I could setup a single switch for X and Y and function as an electronic limit & Home
08:18 PM Gene_work: whoops... sorry never mind
08:19 PM Crom: My induction is a crush canidate... When I build my enclosure i'm move it so its a pass in front of
08:20 PM Crom: and i get another 8 to 10mm of travel
08:20 PM {HD}: I have a super Nintendo USB remote that I'm going to map to the hot keys instead of using a mpg...for now.
08:29 PM XXCoder: nice
08:29 PM XXCoder: {HD}: yeah tested mine, works great lol
08:29 PM XXCoder: just need to conifgure it on linuxcnc
08:52 PM {HD}: XXCoder: You beat me too it! Mine is upstairs and I havent grabbed it yet. You will have to let me know how you configure it.
08:52 PM XXCoder: I had beaten you by year or 2 lol
08:52 PM XXCoder: but never did use it on linuxcnc pc :P onlu this computer
08:52 PM XXCoder: been so long I forgot what program can remap
08:58 PM {HD}: So, you havent used it for linuxcnc yet?
08:59 PM XXCoder: nah
09:05 PM {HD}: So, how did you beat me by 2 years?
09:05 PM XXCoder: oh having idea of using it as pendant lol
09:05 PM XXCoder: in end it really dont matter
09:08 PM XXCoder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwrTGVSxzJI interesting
09:11 PM {HD}: XXCoder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZxxy6C0ErE
09:12 PM XXCoder: captioned wow
09:12 PM XXCoder: ah yes qjoypad!
09:12 PM XXCoder: been long time
09:12 PM {HD}: ? what is your native language?
09:12 PM XXCoder: american sign language.
09:13 PM {HD}: Captions seem important =)
09:13 PM XXCoder: heyy
09:13 PM XXCoder: snes has more buttons
09:13 PM XXCoder: nice
09:13 PM XXCoder: I has plain nes
09:13 PM {HD}: I've get the nes
09:14 PM {HD}: snes I mean
09:15 PM XXCoder: nice
09:15 PM XXCoder: I'm unsure what button to use with what stuff
09:15 PM XXCoder: arrows is clearly x/y
09:15 PM {HD}: triggers for z
09:15 PM XXCoder: not bad idea. what about 4 buttons and start/select?
09:17 PM {HD}: start to homeall
09:17 PM XXCoder: guy uses shoulders for changing speed
09:18 PM {HD}: and y x a for touchoff
09:18 PM {HD}: and b for e stob
09:18 PM {HD}: stop
09:18 PM {HD}: so, select is still available.
09:18 PM {HD}: select to cycle jog/step
09:21 PM {HD}: Looking at the keyboard shortcuts I might need to make some stuff up or maybe macro it...
09:21 PM {HD}: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Keyboard_Shortcuts
09:22 PM XXCoder: you can alter controller to label em
09:22 PM XXCoder: I would use A for e-stop maybe. red button
09:22 PM XXCoder: or pull apart and swap buttons
09:24 PM {HD}: Alright I am back to the CNC machine. Time to try it out.
09:24 PM XXCoder: cool
09:27 PM XXCoder: buttons are swappable if cut tab off
09:28 PM XXCoder: all buttons has 3 tabs
09:28 PM XXCoder: 2 is all same, thurd is "key" to prevent misplacement
09:34 PM {HD}: I thought I would just do this... http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Super_Simple_Method_For_Controlling_With_A_USB_Joypad ... but it doesnt appear to be working.
09:35 PM {HD}: I also see 'joy2key' which is in the default repos
09:36 PM XXCoder: snes controller back together
09:40 PM {HD}: I have opened a deep dark box...I need to do more research before I decide how to set this up. There is a bunch of data on the forums...
09:44 PM {HD}: XXCoder: I think this might be what I try first... http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Simple_Remote_Pendant
09:47 PM XXCoder: looking
09:47 PM XXCoder: wiki is all anicent :(
09:47 PM XXCoder: so few willing to update
09:47 PM Crom: finally getting to installing samba printer setup so wife can use printer off rpi3
09:48 PM XXCoder: cool
09:48 PM XXCoder: I figured that those 3d printer parts alone must be in least $140 or so
09:48 PM XXCoder: I wonder why they are selling em so cheap
09:48 PM {HD}: XXCoder: I did not even see a date...How old was that wiki article?
10:11 PM {HD}: Do they make 1/16" endmills that have a 1/16" shank too?
10:11 PM XXCoder: so far I know no.
10:12 PM XXCoder: because its too hard to grip
10:12 PM {HD}: Why does my er collet set have such small collets then?
10:13 PM XXCoder: drills
10:13 PM {HD}: XXCoder: OHHH!!! yours so smart! I should have thought of that.
10:13 PM SpeedEvil: Or smaller endmills
10:13 PM XXCoder: drill bas basically no side load
10:13 PM XXCoder: SpeedEvil: so far I know 1/16 and other tiny endmills always has thicker shank then tool end
10:15 PM SpeedEvil: yes, but that thicker might be 1/16th I was meaning
10:15 PM SpeedEvil: Actually probably not
10:15 PM {HD}: so a 1/32 might have a 1/16 shank?
10:15 PM XXCoder: 1/8 actually
10:15 PM SpeedEvil: though thinking about that I have seen dental burrs with 1/16 shank that could reasonably be described as end mills
10:16 PM XXCoder: interesting'
10:16 PM XXCoder: 1/8 maybe not
10:16 PM XXCoder: I have bunch of 1/16 ball em
10:16 PM XXCoder: they was used on inocel but wood? pfft it cuts just fine still.
11:18 PM Roguish: jeeeeeze.. just files taxes. PITA but done for this year. what a relief.
11:22 PM Roguish: and a good night to all.
11:46 PM Crom: probing quit at x11.3 Y3.7
11:46 PM XXCoder: doh
11:47 PM Crom: probed 977 times the error
11:47 PM Crom: then
11:50 PM Crom: that is a 31x31 grid...