#linuxcnc Logs
Apr 10 2017
#linuxcnc Calendar
12:01 AM xxcodercnc: i do evenually want to try upgrade cnc router
12:04 AM xxcodercnc: gantry sides
12:04 AM xxcodercnc: add y offset and maybe extra inch or 2 higher
12:04 AM xxcodercnc: so it can have perment wood surfacwe
12:09 AM DrippityDrops: this looks useful for you all who are deciding spindle motor sizes
12:09 AM DrippityDrops: https://www.kennametal.com/en/resources/engineering-calculators/holemaking-calculators/tapping-torque-and-horsepower.html.html
12:09 AM DrippityDrops: well, if you are also interested inridgid tapping
12:11 AM insomnia is now known as ZombieJesus
12:17 AM xxcodercnc: spindle slowed down again. weird
12:17 AM xxcodercnc: but only at ends of columns
12:17 AM xxcodercnc: fourced it spin and its fine since
12:17 AM xxcodercnc: not enough power?
12:19 AM chopper79: Got stuck in the depths of youtube hell.
12:20 AM chopper79: I am off to bed.... Have a good one everybody.
12:20 AM xxcodercnc: night
12:20 AM xxcodercnc: dream of youtube hell
12:20 AM chopper79: nope
12:21 AM chopper79: nightmares for sure then
12:21 AM xxcodercnc: lol
12:21 AM chopper79: Got caught up watching lathe videos.... Makes me even more excited to find one.
12:22 AM chopper79: Videos started getting strange the further I got
12:22 AM xxcodercnc: a sec heh
12:22 AM chopper79: oh well.. later
12:22 AM xxcodercnc: http://www.banggood.com/DC-24V-Mini-Lathe-Beads-Machine-Polish-Woodworking-DIY-Tools-80-100W-p-1121255.html?rmmds=search chopper79
12:23 AM xxcodercnc: heres your lathe ;
12:23 AM xxcodercnc: ;)
12:23 AM chopper79: haha... you got jokes tonight.
12:23 AM xxcodercnc: funny thing is i bought one
12:24 AM xxcodercnc: because why not?
12:24 AM chopper79: lol... Yeah I have purchased some odd stuff for no reason other then to do it.
12:25 AM chopper79: Ok I am done now or I will continue to get wrapped up in conversation.
12:25 AM xxcodercnc: 43% sale dont come often. later lol
12:25 AM Crom: heheh
12:26 AM Crom: trying to get ahold of someone at JMC-motor.com in Shenzen, next to hong Kong in China
12:26 AM Crom: shenzhen
12:31 AM xxcodercnc: yeah?
12:32 AM Crom: now trying qq-web-chat through facebook
12:32 AM Crom: qq chat user ID: 2355840113
12:33 AM * xxcodercnc hacks in
12:34 AM xxcodercnc: tsk tsk
12:38 AM Crom: I might have to fire up a ttl rs-232 and see if I can talk to the motors
12:39 AM xxcodercnc: weird
12:39 AM xxcodercnc: if it goes across flat spot and isnt cutting anything, it stops spinning
12:39 AM xxcodercnc: but now its doing finish cut
12:39 AM xxcodercnc: its cutting .5,mm across flat areas no stall at all
12:44 AM xxcodercnc: how do that work
12:44 AM xxcodercnc: talk with motor?
01:26 AM IchGucksLive: Morning from a Sunny Germany
01:27 AM xxcodercnc: hey ich
01:27 AM Crom: xxcodercnc: my stepper have a serial port on them for configuring the drive
01:27 AM xxcodercnc: engraving a game logo mfor my nephew heh
01:27 AM xxcodercnc: ahh
01:27 AM xxcodercnc: aaand it ust finished. lol
01:29 AM IchGucksLive: xxcoder got a image
01:29 AM IchGucksLive: or Sim
01:29 AM xxcodercnc: sec
01:30 AM xxcodercnc: http://i46.tinypic.com/2rz6ixw.png
01:30 AM xxcodercnc: im now manually engraving square border a second
01:30 AM IchGucksLive: cool
01:31 AM IchGucksLive: the FONT is Absulute DB
01:33 AM xxcodercnc: wtf spindle wont turn on
01:37 AM IchGucksLive: bad
01:37 AM xxcodercnc: found it
01:37 AM xxcodercnc: one wire is bit looe4r
01:37 AM xxcodercnc: geez
01:38 AM xxcodercnc: okay now to do it
01:43 AM xxcodercnc: done
01:44 AM xxcodercnc: ehh one side is bit rough but whatever
01:46 AM xxcodercnc: i know why now
01:46 AM xxcodercnc: wire got loose again and it just plowed though weakass wood without rotating lol
01:47 AM IchGucksLive: im also Done wit Your emblem Simulation http://pasteall.org/pic/index.php?id=114525
01:47 AM xxcodercnc: carbade tool is very strong and pine very weak wood lol
01:47 AM IchGucksLive: looks cool
01:47 AM xxcodercnc: my nephew loves that game
01:47 AM IchGucksLive: take a second path on 0,05mm depther
01:48 AM xxcodercnc: dont really matter, I cut other side wrong place too
01:48 AM xxcodercnc: so just use table saw cut a nice recangle wood paque for varash and frame or something
01:48 AM xxcodercnc: brb
01:49 AM IchGucksLive: with a 60deg it loks even better
01:49 AM IchGucksLive: did you see the sim
01:52 AM IchGucksLive: im off planting corn today about 60 acors on my list
01:52 AM IchGucksLive: have a nice NON Bitbraking Day
01:55 AM Crom: nice... what kind of tractor?
01:57 AM XXCoder: back
01:58 AM XXCoder: whats sad is that linuxcnc dont support 10 degree 15 degree or 20 lol
01:58 AM XXCoder: for picture to gcode anyway
02:00 AM IchGucksLive: Crom: its a Case or Raptor i do not know what im going to be
02:00 AM IchGucksLive: the ground maker or the man with the seeing mashine
02:00 AM IchGucksLive: sawing
02:00 AM IchGucksLive: BYE
02:00 AM Crom: laterz...
02:00 AM XXCoder: guy loves quick exits heh
02:00 AM Crom: yep
02:01 AM archivist: XXCoder, fix the code to take the angle as an argument
02:01 AM XXCoder: ifi was decent programmer sure
02:01 AM archivist: you need the practice
02:13 AM DrippityDrops: im working on this bash script to make setting outputs easier for HALfiles Im not sure If I should finish it, https://gist.github.com/anonymous/cab3db786a975e39afaf07e6d3b0294e
02:13 AM DrippityDrops: If I finished this, would anyone use it?
02:15 AM DrippityDrops: it seems like an excel spreadsheet might be easier, or csv type table
02:16 AM XXCoder: do it
02:16 AM DrippityDrops: did you run it?
02:16 AM XXCoder: or we will point or laugh at excel
02:17 AM XXCoder: heh seriously dunno
02:17 AM XXCoder: am busy cleaning part up
02:18 AM archivist: excel wth we are on linux
02:18 AM XXCoder: exactly
02:18 AM DrippityDrops: oh get over yourselves :P you know what I mean
02:18 AM DrippityDrops: a SPREADSHEET
02:18 AM DrippityDrops: nubs
02:19 AM XXCoder: now to make video. yay.
02:19 AM archivist: jt is also creating an "easy" tool, dunno if he is still working on it
02:19 AM DrippityDrops: oh, that would be nice to see his progress
02:19 AM Crom: just noticed the iHS57-36-20 stppers has a PED+/- which when motor is
02:20 AM Crom: on station PED is closed.
02:20 AM archivist: his has pictures of boards
02:20 AM DrippityDrops: u got links?
02:21 AM DrippityDrops: I started working it backwards from a halfile to drawings (geda schematic editor) but now I want to go the other way and maybe link them somehow.
02:23 AM archivist: this is a wheel that keeps being reinvented :)
02:24 AM archivist: in the end, edit the hal file
02:24 AM DrippityDrops: yeah but its always been square
02:24 AM archivist: because there can be no universal know all machine types in advance
02:24 AM DrippityDrops: yeah but why not knock out the big stuff quickly
02:25 AM DrippityDrops: hand editing is..... bleh
02:25 AM archivist: pncconf and stepconf do that
02:26 AM archivist: while main machine types might be known, the various add ons are ignored
02:27 AM Crom: ahh... PED- and ALM- are connected to ground. VCC is hooked to 5v with a 3k-5kohm resistor. ALM+ and PED+ rise on active... so yet another 2n2222
02:27 AM DrippityDrops: yeahhh
02:27 AM DrippityDrops: quite true archivist
02:28 AM archivist: so fix the noddy things we have to be more useful and less buggy rather than add another
02:28 AM DrippityDrops: indeed
02:29 AM archivist: anyway I have to go fix a printer, or shall I tell him hell no (on windows)
02:30 AM archivist: I am beginning to really hate windaz support, as M$ is fsking up peoples settings
02:30 AM Deejay: moin
02:34 AM DrippityDrops: archivist: thats what keeps guys like you busy!
02:35 AM XXCoder: we need to fork windows
02:35 AM XXCoder: oh wait no source
02:35 AM Crom: archivist: which is why I dont run windows... i just listen to my wife gripe about M$
02:35 AM DrippityDrops: pitchfork maybe
02:36 AM archivist: DrippityDrops, I have retired!
02:36 AM XXCoder: been a while for me, for home use
02:36 AM XXCoder: work uses windows.
02:36 AM DrippityDrops: archivist: maybe you could get them to install a linux printserver, so atleast the end details are easy to manage
02:37 AM archivist: there is a linux box there we serving
02:37 AM archivist: web
02:37 AM DrippityDrops: ooh, good enough
02:37 AM DrippityDrops: maybe just do a failsafe printserver
02:38 AM DrippityDrops: and that way if it screws up it can route that direction
02:39 AM DrippityDrops: considering linux and printing, I have had really good luck with "brother" brand. It makes me want to buy a brother drilling and tapping machine
02:39 AM DrippityDrops: WHICH I wonder why all you cnc mill guys are buying these things
02:39 AM DrippityDrops: arent*^
02:46 AM DrippityDrops: Im not really into cnc milling, but I always thought these seemed like a great thing to have at home. Anyone ever ran one?
02:46 AM DrippityDrops: https://youtu.be/hJ13pdRo67E?t=16
02:55 AM XXCoder: exporting video
02:55 AM XXCoder: DrippityDrops: I do yep lol
02:55 AM XXCoder: I run machines at home and work lol
02:55 AM XXCoder: most of us here does.
02:55 AM XXCoder: though usually work or home not both like me
02:56 AM XXCoder: interesting
02:56 AM DrippityDrops: those look like they would be something you could run at home if you kept the amps down
03:02 AM XXCoder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2nRB5OPmTs very much nope for home lol
03:02 AM XXCoder: I run one of those
03:04 AM DrippityDrops: nice
03:05 AM XXCoder: bigger version. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzt12DKN_YY
03:05 AM XXCoder: one I run is same as first video
03:08 AM XXCoder: lol older version apparently https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-c9IrisvNU
03:10 AM DrippityDrops: a company ahead too far ahead of its customers
03:10 AM DrippityDrops: I bet the customer base for that kind of machinery is about to boom
03:10 AM XXCoder: dunno? one at work is few years old
03:11 AM XXCoder: and theres cell that runs windows NT lol
03:11 AM XXCoder: quite old.
03:11 AM DrippityDrops: like "lights out" operations will be assumed
03:11 AM XXCoder: depends really
03:11 AM XXCoder: right now its not getting enough jobs. im currently running other machines
03:12 AM XXCoder: but when it was lagging we try to setup so it will run whole time in 4 hour gap between shifts
03:12 AM XXCoder: (there is no day/swing gap)
03:13 AM DrippityDrops: i should rest
03:13 AM XXCoder: no
03:13 AM DrippityDrops: phone calls tomorrow
03:13 AM XXCoder: heh
03:13 AM DrippityDrops: lots
03:13 AM XXCoder: later
03:13 AM DrippityDrops: haha
03:13 AM DrippityDrops: take care
03:13 AM XXCoder: uploading videp
03:18 AM XXCoder: uploading wheeee
03:18 AM XXCoder: brb
03:43 AM XXCoder: https://youtu.be/gOWVCvER3i4
03:50 AM t12: wow
03:50 AM t12: Ethernet/IP documentation is kinda unchill
03:53 AM XXCoder: unchill? its full of passive agressive stuff?
05:00 AM XXCoder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XZ09YssZPE the lathe
05:21 AM XXCoder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpyBb4Dn6DY howto direct from chinese
06:20 AM jdh: ethernet/ip is perhaps the worlds worst search time for finding the actual topic you want
06:33 AM jthornton: what are you looking for?
07:15 AM Sabotender: hi all
07:16 AM Sabotender: hey XXCoder were you the one chattign with me earlier about a CNC unit?
07:16 AM XXCoder: have specific details?
07:17 AM XXCoder: I recall your nick but dont remember more specifics lol
07:18 AM Sabotender: I found a local business who is willing to make prototypes for next to nothing, well I was considering buying one of thoe 6K units, because apparently its next to impossible to use a 500USD unit to mill ~1in aluminium plate/bar/whatever the technical term is
07:18 AM XXCoder: well consider ROI
07:18 AM XXCoder: if you need very few prototypes its just better to outsource
07:19 AM XXCoder: but it comes to point where having yourself or employee do it is cheaper
07:19 AM Sabotender: XXCoder: well I believe it is better the other way around, OR do everything in house
07:20 AM Sabotender: because that stuff can get expensive, which is why I wanted to get my own unit
07:21 AM Sabotender: when it comes time to produce 100k units, chassis manufacture sometimes gets more expensive than pcb manu. BUT
07:21 AM Sabotender: I plan on just producing a working prototype and then using crowdsourcing. like kickstarter ;-)
07:21 AM XXCoder: cool
07:21 AM Sabotender: though it makes QC easier if you can just do it yourself.
07:21 AM XXCoder: hope you hit it off on kickstarter. send me a unit or 2 if it did. lol
07:22 AM Sabotender: lol, you'd better ante up if you want a unit, or just donate toward the project ;-)
07:22 AM XXCoder: hey so my help dont count eh ;)
07:23 AM XXCoder: fine see if I will help next time.
07:23 AM XXCoder: nah kidding lol
07:24 AM sync_: protip, don't do manufacturing yourself for a kickstarter
07:25 AM Sabotender: I am still in the design phase, but I am NO mechanical engineer. I am all electrical. it's going to be a PITA to design this chassis. I really don't know the first thing about it. lol. Well that's not true, I know some stuff. but I am no good with 3D design tools. I downright suxor at it.
07:27 AM Sabotender: sync_: well I probably won't, but I will be doing some of the silkscreening myself, that's easy (ive done it before and already have the tools in my workshop). I can blast out 1K a day if I wanted.
07:28 AM XXCoder: don't add any unbounded kickstarter reward that you'd have to do yourself
07:29 AM Sabotender: XXCoder: lol that sounds silly, give me an example
07:29 AM XXCoder: easy. no limit on reward that you have to make
07:30 AM Sabotender: oh I see what you mean
07:30 AM XXCoder: "congats your video is now on youtube!"
07:30 AM XXCoder: annoying email.
07:31 AM Sabotender: lol, have it sent to your junkbox
07:31 AM XXCoder: I cant imange how many emails one of those often uploader get
07:31 AM XXCoder: oh yeah https://youtu.be/gOWVCvER3i4 if curious
07:31 AM XXCoder: its blurry at start and other section but mostly fine
07:38 AM XXCoder: actual runtime was 134 minutes I think lol thats why I just videotaped sections of it. different parts of program
07:38 AM XXCoder: tried different shots to make it slightly more interesting lol
07:38 AM XXCoder: so Sabotender what ya think lol
07:39 AM Sabotender: huh, about what? sorry, I was working in kiCAD on my tablet (IRC is on my laptop)
07:39 AM Sabotender: oh the video? moment, watching
07:39 AM XXCoder: np lol
07:40 AM Sabotender: it better not be of you banging your GF or something. I won't be pleased
07:40 AM XXCoder: that impiles I have one lol
07:40 AM Sabotender: lol
07:40 AM XXCoder: thanks man LOL
07:40 AM jthornton: right through the knots too
07:41 AM XXCoder: yeah very tiny 12000 rpm carbite tool
07:41 AM XXCoder: it didnt do anything but cut
07:41 AM Sabotender: XXCoder: y u s blrr?
07:41 AM XXCoder: I need a better camera or web camer
07:41 AM XXCoder: any suggested cheaper one?
07:41 AM Sabotender: I can't see the detail. Looks like you used a potato.
07:42 AM XXCoder: its my phone, its good, but not at macro
07:42 AM XXCoder: it will show final which is quite clear
07:42 AM Sabotender: your mobile phone camera should definitely suffice. Just have to tweak the focus
07:42 AM XXCoder: yeah too close, need macro len or better device
07:46 AM XXCoder: jthornton: in fact after it was done, I was manually adding border around it
07:46 AM XXCoder: and spindle stopped in middle of left side
07:46 AM XXCoder: tool is still fine
07:46 AM XXCoder: it just plowed right though weaksauce pine wood LOL
07:47 AM XXCoder: tough expensive tool, cheapass wood
07:47 AM Sabotender: XXCoder: whats that supposed to be
07:47 AM XXCoder: oh game logo you saw at start and end
07:47 AM XXCoder: my nephew's one of favorite game
07:55 AM XXCoder: I want to make that weird rings thing again, and this time successfully!
08:03 AM XXCoder: laters all time to sleep
11:11 AM skunkworks: I make the most exciting videos.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNfLRVFBF38
11:14 AM gregcnc: well it drained...must resist YT https://youtu.be/MjGNdXx6HHM?t=1m55s
11:22 AM JT-Shop: I love it when someone sends you an email with a question, you answer it and then they ask on the mailing list the exact same question...
11:22 AM gregcnc: no shortage of people like that
11:23 AM _methods: gotta get that 2nd identical opinion
11:23 AM archivist: must be a committee member
11:23 AM gregcnc: they want a consensus
11:23 AM archivist: they will ask until they get the answer they want
11:23 AM skunkworks: now I just need to see if the edm part of the edm works.
11:24 AM Crom: Burn baby burn!
11:26 AM Crom: Do not want to get out of bed.
11:28 AM * jym shortsheets Crom's bed
11:28 AM * archivist throws in some fleas and other critters
11:30 AM Crom: Sheeshz used to that, 1/2 the time i wake up to feline paralysis (cat asleep on me somewhere)
11:32 AM Crom: One of our biggest excuses... Honey, can you get me a tea, I have feline paralysis... My wife contracts it most often
11:35 AM DrippityDrops: anyone doing a servo build? http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sanyo-Denki-PY2E015A-PY-Servo-Amplifier-PY2E015A3MH1P00-/332177802845?hash=item4d5757065d:g:TFoAAOSwUdlWgyxz
11:35 AM DrippityDrops: for home!
11:42 AM * JT-Shop sacrifices a cat to the hard drive gods so he can finish this CAM work today without strange failures
11:57 AM Sabotender: XXCoder: oops, I forgot to tell you, it was a good video, though I still couldn't figure out what it was
12:32 PM IchGucksLive: hi from a sunny no rainy germany
12:32 PM IchGucksLive: its getting try here
12:35 PM njh: Hi IchGucksLive - going try and import the aerofoil into the git repo later
12:35 PM IchGucksLive: up to you it is quite good to get all in one stroke
12:37 PM CaptHindsight: what is your favorite answer to a question about Linuxcnc?
12:40 PM IchGucksLive: config whatever axis mashine to your own need
12:40 PM njh: 42?
12:40 PM IchGucksLive: German " Geht Net Gebts net "
12:41 PM IchGucksLive: XXCoder: still up
12:45 PM DrippityDrops: JT-Shop: you are working on an "easy" way to configure mesa cards?
12:46 PM JT-Shop: not at the moment I'm building a nut inserter machine
12:46 PM IchGucksLive: JT-Shop: nut size
12:46 PM DrippityDrops: oh, that sounds like a great build to do!
12:47 PM IchGucksLive: with vibration tracktoring
12:47 PM DrippityDrops: so how do you get them out of the purse? hjajhahj
12:47 PM IchGucksLive: or full nut grap position and mount and fasten
12:48 PM DrippityDrops: JT-Shop: im super curious about this machine you are building, what kind of volumes is it going to have to do?
12:57 PM JT-Shop: IchGucksLive: #10 nut
12:58 PM JT-Shop: I can not share production information about the machines I build
12:58 PM DrippityDrops: JT-Shop: boo
01:00 PM IchGucksLive: <= Agrees to JT
01:00 PM IchGucksLive: dont tell about work in progress
01:01 PM {HD}: Anyone have any advice/guide to hooking up my Huanyang VFD? I read that the 'plugin' is included by default but I don't see any doc on configuring it.
01:01 PM {HD}: I found this video which has a cool tach interface but he has no data on it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJpy4D9OPXQ
01:02 PM IchGucksLive: is it a Real Hyanyang or a fake
01:02 PM IchGucksLive: so 30 Parameters or 110
01:03 PM IchGucksLive: il keep telling keep the VFD and the Control as seperate as you can
01:03 PM IchGucksLive: so maybe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I00ArvYvZgI
01:03 PM IchGucksLive: my adwise
01:04 PM IchGucksLive: as non english english
01:04 PM IchGucksLive: the VFD itself is 12V out
01:04 PM IchGucksLive: so i use this to get the BOB Out input Voltige
01:05 PM IchGucksLive: Benefits the 0-10V PWM Digital to analog
01:05 PM IchGucksLive: and pin 17 to start the Spindle Right
01:05 PM IchGucksLive: so it is full isolated
01:05 PM IchGucksLive: to the IO controles
01:06 PM IchGucksLive: the VFD is at 400hz
01:07 PM IchGucksLive: do the power out vdf parameter to your spindle watts slighty lower
01:09 PM {HD}: Real HY. So you're not using the 485 communication?
01:10 PM IchGucksLive: no
01:10 PM IchGucksLive: BOB 5USD does not supply that ;-)
01:11 PM {HD}: IchGucksLive: =) well, I have a 232 to 485 adapter. So, my goal was to try that.
01:11 PM IchGucksLive: go for it
01:13 PM IchGucksLive: {HD}: did you reed the forum on this
01:13 PM IchGucksLive: as some changes to 2.7.x
01:14 PM {HD}: I have read the form and that's why am asking here. There seems to be a lot of conflicting information about the HY VFD.
01:14 PM IchGucksLive: there is a new vidio here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NF8EFoPlrk
01:15 PM IchGucksLive: {HD}: there are more then 4 different vfd series out
01:17 PM IchGucksLive: {HD}: the last update from plugin as yesterday http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/man/man1/hy_vfd.1.html
01:31 PM {HD}: IchGucksLive: Cool. Ill read those.
01:31 PM {HD}: I am ordering my shipping container now on the phone.
01:32 PM IchGucksLive: where are you in the world
01:32 PM {HD}: US, South-eastern Mid-west.
01:32 PM IchGucksLive: corn Belt
01:33 PM {HD}: lol yea, corn belt, bible belt, rust belt all nearby.
01:36 PM IchGucksLive: cool CORN means best Bread ,Bibel means Sunday off , Rust means WD40 ;-)(
01:36 PM IchGucksLive: today the new HDD arived 24pices
01:36 PM IchGucksLive: so i will get aqll 12 mashines a new copy
01:37 PM IchGucksLive: {HD}: we planted about 65 acors of corn today
01:37 PM IchGucksLive: seat name Mexico
01:38 PM IchGucksLive: 240 sunn index
01:38 PM {HD}: That seems like a LOT of corn. Where are you geographically?
01:38 PM IchGucksLive: Germany french boarder
01:39 PM IchGucksLive: the community BIO power has around 1500ar
01:39 PM IchGucksLive: and at near 450 are corn
01:40 PM IchGucksLive: and ofcause 65000 solar panels
01:40 PM IchGucksLive: on the ground where the US stored there modern Weppon
01:41 PM IchGucksLive: till 1991
01:41 PM {HD}: IchGucksLive: So, you use big agricultural equipment. I have a small 1 acre farm on my property for family only.
01:42 PM IchGucksLive: as im a Freak i do also Harvest Vidos no matter how old https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkJmIwPsIz0
01:43 PM IchGucksLive: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8j8LNaa8EXg
01:43 PM IchGucksLive: second one includes drone images
01:43 PM {HD}: IchGucksLive: Are those your farms?
01:43 PM IchGucksLive: no
01:44 PM IchGucksLive: manpower during plant and harvest
01:44 PM neothefox: Hi all
01:44 PM IchGucksLive: hi
01:44 PM neothefox: I have a problem with RTAI kernel, what could cause it not to boot while the regular Wheezy kernel boot?
01:45 PM neothefox: *s
01:45 PM IchGucksLive: did you install from Linuxcnc CD
01:45 PM IchGucksLive: DVD
01:45 PM IchGucksLive: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?UpdatingTo2.6
01:45 PM neothefox: No, the machine doesn't have a CD drive and can't boot from USB. What I did is I installed Wheezy from PXE and then added LinuxCNC sources to APT
01:46 PM IchGucksLive: so yyou do have the wrong kernal
01:46 PM neothefox: There are only two kernels in the sources
01:46 PM neothefox: RTAI kernel for 686 with PAE
01:47 PM neothefox: and RTAI 486 kernel without PAE
01:47 PM neothefox: I've tried them both
01:48 PM IchGucksLive: sorry im off here as i do not got a good relation on wheezy
01:48 PM IchGucksLive: and it is also late here i need to shut down
01:48 PM IchGucksLive: GN( from Germany
01:48 PM neothefox: IchGucksLive, but LinuxCNC's CD is just a wheezy with extra sources
01:48 PM neothefox: Ok, good night to you
01:48 PM Crom: for linuxcnc you need Preempt RT
01:49 PM gregcnc: try https://www.plop.at for USB support
01:49 PM neothefox: Crom, but the CD uses RTAI, and AFAIK Preempt is worse at this point
01:49 PM Crom: on 4.9.13 I have to use Prempt RT
01:50 PM Crom: I think 3.16.something was rtai though
01:50 PM neothefox: 4.9.13 is the kernel? Are you on Jessie?
01:51 PM neothefox: gregcnc, oh, nice bootloader
01:51 PM {HD}: The lady I talked to at the county zoning department said "I don't want a shipping container sticking out in my county" I said are you speaking personally or on behalf of the goverment agency you work for and she said 'personally'...what a joke.
01:52 PM neothefox: Tomorrow I'll show you guys some photos of these PCs
01:53 PM neothefox: They are something else. Originally intended as thin clients, they are just begging to be CNC controllers
01:54 PM {HD}: Shit! I missed the delivery guy for my new bearings and ballscrews!
01:55 PM {HD}: I need my doorbell to ring my outbuildings also.
01:56 PM neothefox: {HD} make one that would ring your phone
01:57 PM {HD}: neothefox: Good idea! That would be easy enough. I already have most of the infrastructure to implement that.
01:58 PM neothefox: {HD}, yeah, with NodeMCU, for example, it's a piece of cake
01:58 PM neothefox: I've been obsessed with the thing lately
01:59 PM {HD}: neothefox: I already have a raspi mounted with a touchscreen next to the front door. I could tie into that pretty easily.
02:00 PM neothefox: {HD} huh, you live in a good place then! I'd get touchscreen vandalized in a heartbeat, kinda makes me envy :D
02:00 PM {HD}: neothefox: On the inside of the house. not outside... It has a camera peephole and rss feeds and weather and what nots.
02:00 PM Crom: neothefox: yep... Debian 8.7, linux kernel 4.9.13-amd64-rt12, linuxcnc 2.8.0-Pre1-2095something
02:01 PM neothefox: Crom, oh, you are using a dev branch, how is the latency?
02:01 PM neothefox: {HD}, ah, ok, sounds nice
02:03 PM Crom: I have it on a crap machine... Mini-box ITX Intel Atom 1.4Ghz 4 cores though
02:03 PM Crom: I have it set to 30khz... it really should be 1Mhz
02:05 PM Crom: I get linuxcnc shutting down because it can't step quick enough and it times out
02:09 PM Crom: hmmm found some thing things to try and improve latency...
02:15 PM andypugh: I have a motor with a 16 pin connection. 2 are not used. One of those is marked “Open” in the datasheet, one is marked “No connection”. I wonder what the difference is?
02:19 PM Crom: oh cool... Talking to the people at JMC-Motor.com (english web site) jmc-motion.com (chinese web site) They don't have software for tuning... they have a tuner... so all I have to do is get one of those and listen to both sides.
02:19 PM Mibka_: https://www.amazon.de/FurMune-Graviermaschine-Maschine-Engraving-Schnittstelle/dp/B015MFP552/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1491849933&sr=8-1&keywords=laser+cutter -> Would this be a "good" machine for engraving and cutting plexi ? It's 466 euro for a 50W machine, it's a barely used one, as good as new, but I wonder if I can get a better machine for about the same price (or a little higher) ?
02:20 PM Mibka_: I'm looking for one with at least 30x30 working area
02:20 PM Mibka_: I first thought building one myself might be cheaper but even a 6W laser is pretty expensive and all together will cost me more than this machine for example
02:22 PM Crom: Mibka_: its a little better than a K40... think of this as a K50+. it'll work... it'll work alot better with tweaking...
02:22 PM Mibka_: I'm pretty new to this so I'm not sure what a K40 or K50+ is, and what kind of tweaking would improve it?
02:23 PM Crom: Mibka_: Look at this ground Google K40 group https://plus.google.com/communities/118113483589382049502
02:24 PM Crom: K40 is the 40w blue box CO2 laser that's shorter and has a smaller cut area 17x30ish
02:25 PM Crom: tweaking would be replacing the controller with a Arduino MEGA 2560 + RAMPS 1.4 or getting a Smoothieboard
02:25 PM Crom: do not get a GRBL board
02:25 PM Mibka_: I have a smoothieboard here that I wanted to use for a 3d printer but ended up buying an ultimaker 3 instead :p So I actually have a smoothieboard
02:25 PM Crom: after you get one... you want to check alignment and focus of laser
02:26 PM Mibka_: Okay, Will do that.
02:26 PM Mibka_: But you think the price is right? Or too expensive?
02:26 PM Mibka_: If price is right I'm going to order it
02:27 PM Crom: I believe on that laser you can add a stepper to the Z table height adjustment...
02:27 PM Mibka_: I have been looking on ebay whole day ( :p ) and found other blue boxes that look like the K40 one. . cheaper but smaller working area
02:27 PM Crom: Decent price what's shipping?
02:27 PM Mibka_: free shipping
02:27 PM Crom: get it
02:28 PM Crom: you can also build a 4th axis or glass roller for engraving bottles and glasses
02:29 PM Mibka_: There's room inside the machine for doing all that?
02:29 PM Crom: Oh yeah!
02:30 PM Crom: I have room in the K40 for wine bottles
02:30 PM * JT-Shop just finished painting the frame and looks up to see dark clouds forming...
02:30 PM Crom: JT-Shop: yep... wash the car, paint something outside brings rain
02:31 PM Crom: Mibka_: it's mostly empty space inside...
02:32 PM andypugh: Crom: Do you mean you engrave wine bottles, or that you use the spare space to hid wine bottles?
02:33 PM Mibka_: damn.. I was placing the order and as soon as I got to the payment options and clicked continue I got the message the machine is no longer available :(
02:33 PM Mibka_: looks like someone was a bit quicker :(
02:34 PM Mibka_: anyone from IRC maybe? :(
02:35 PM andypugh: I thought about it, but then noticed that it had gone.
02:36 PM Mibka_: well, probably someone here just bought it while I was asking questions.. I's been on amazon for the whole day. I just talked about and 10 minutes later it's sold.. Don't think this is a coincidence :p
02:37 PM andypugh: There were two of them, weren’t there?
02:37 PM Mibka_: only 1 was still available
02:37 PM Mibka_: now none
02:38 PM andypugh: The search, even when refreshed, says that one is available. It’s all a bit strange
02:39 PM Mibka_: available items is always updated with delay at amazon.De
02:39 PM Crom: andypugh: both actually..
02:39 PM andypugh: I am wondering about joining my not-very-local hackspace because they have a large-format laser cutter.
02:39 PM Crom: not me... no money...
02:40 PM andypugh: OK, that’s wierd. https://london.hackspace.org.uk is tha hackspace. They have a picture of me on the front page.
02:41 PM t12: are uk hakerspaces as dramatic as us ones
02:44 PM Crom: https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B01CU5RMLW/ref=dp_olp_used_mbc?ie=UTF8&condition=used
02:44 PM CaptHindsight: neothefox: any clues in dmesg ?
02:45 PM CaptHindsight: nevermind
02:45 PM Crom: it's on the perfect road...Hackney Rd
02:46 PM neothefox: CaptHindsight, if only it could get to dmesg, but it justs hangs right after GRUB. I am going to hook up serial to see if it gets anywhere from here
02:49 PM CaptHindsight: neothefox: is this older or pretty new hardware?
02:49 PM neothefox: CaptHindsight, 2003 thin client
02:51 PM andypugh: t12: When you say “Dramatic” do you mean lots of interposnal friction?
02:52 PM andypugh: (interpersonal)
02:53 PM CaptHindsight: neothefox: maybe it's PAE
02:53 PM neothefox: CaptHindsight, tried the 486 RTAI kernel
02:53 PM CaptHindsight: neothefox: did that work?
02:53 PM neothefox: same stuff, nothing changed
02:53 PM CaptHindsight: or not
02:54 PM neothefox: it's VIA Eden CPU, maybe the kernel config is wierd. I would probably have to recompile the kernel to see if it's the CPU. But first the serial line
02:54 PM CaptHindsight: was just going to ask
02:55 PM CaptHindsight: I have a bunch in a box from yesteryear
02:55 PM neothefox: VIA Edens?
02:56 PM CaptHindsight: neothefox: try adding nopat to kernel command line
02:56 PM CaptHindsight: I had a bunch of VIA stuff
02:57 PM CaptHindsight: I used to make custom mainboards
02:57 PM neothefox: CaptHindsight, thank, I'll try it tomorrow
02:57 PM neothefox: CaptHindsight, nice, for thin clients or for what?
02:58 PM CaptHindsight: neothefox: anything
02:58 PM neothefox: CaptHindsight, niice
02:59 PM CaptHindsight: VIA was always behind so mostly embedded
03:00 PM neothefox: CaptHindsight, are they alive these days? Or did Atom pretty much took over everything?
03:00 PM CaptHindsight: the last time I used VIA with LCNC was maybe back in '05
03:02 PM CaptHindsight: I thought that Hackspaces were for people that wanted to relive thei experience on jr High with an emphasis on software and hobby tech
03:03 PM CaptHindsight: thei/their
03:14 PM Crom: Never used a via
03:15 PM Mibka_: Just ordered a 60W machine instead of that 40W machine I was going to order first. And it was even cheaper ;) Can't wait for delivery ;)
03:20 PM Crom: eeeshz... 12:49:59 up 2 days, 16:03, 5 users, load average: 3.60, 21.80, 40.05
03:30 PM t12: i andypugh: that and like
03:30 PM t12: the ones here are sorta extreme left revolutionary kinda drama
03:30 PM t12: (here == sf)
03:32 PM andypugh: t12: I don’t really know the one here at all well.
03:33 PM andypugh: In other news, half-way through assembling a connector, I noticed that I got the wrong gender.
03:33 PM JT-Shop: I hate when that happens, the canopy came in for the Tarot 680 and then I noticed the top plate was installed 180 out
03:34 PM t12: its taken me so long to be able to assemble connectors with minimal dyslexia
03:35 PM andypugh: I knew I had the wrong-handedness, but that seemed to matter less
03:35 PM andypugh: (just the numbers are wrong, but that is workable-round)
03:35 PM JT-Shop: I hate when a customer says I got 1 but ordered 2 or more of them
03:36 PM _methods: isn't that what you want to hear?
03:37 PM JT-Shop: no, it cost me extra postage to send them the missing parts
03:37 PM _methods: ohhhh i thought they ordered more
03:37 PM _methods: yeah that sux then
03:38 PM JT-Shop: 99% order 1 of this and 1 of that and I get used to just looking at the part number and not the quantity
03:39 PM _methods: oh i was going to say wouldn't you ship them all in one box, how did some disappear lol
03:41 PM andypugh: I hate it when I order 3 of something and only get 1. Then they send me 3, so I owe them one…
03:41 PM SpeedEvil: JT-Shop: maybe setup something to highlight it on the order form
03:42 PM JT-Shop: I need to collect my desk from the other shop and put a PC on it for shipping so I can look at the order as I pack it
03:47 PM {HD}: Or print and get a clipboard.
03:47 PM andypugh: Luckily, it seens that all I need to change is the crimps, the housings are identical between M and F versions.
03:48 PM {HD}: Then you could include it as a packing slip.
03:59 PM Crom: Got max jitter from 252000 to 108053
04:02 PM CaptHindsight: Crom: preempt_rt on x86 or??
04:36 PM Crom: Turned off audio unloaded a whole bunch of stuff. Don't really want to take out networking cuz I really need it but if I have to I will
04:37 PM Crom: Preempt rt on amd64
04:37 PM Crom: X86_64
04:37 PM Crom: Trying isocpus
04:40 PM Crom: WOOOOO THAT DID IT!!!!
04:40 PM Crom: max jitter now 38626 on base thread
04:41 PM Crom: heh got it right now at 27032
04:42 PM Crom: then I move the mouse and it goes to 38k
04:43 PM Deejay: gn8
04:46 PM JT-Shop: Crom: are you using the parallel port or a Mesa card or other?
05:02 PM Crom: ok set it to 390000
05:03 PM Crom: using LPT port Atom 1.6 Ghz quad core with isocpus=1,2,3 linux kernel 4.9.13-rt12 LINUXCNC - 2.8.0-pre1-2905-gf1172c0
05:04 PM Crom: PID speed control using linuxcnc hal components pid and encoder
05:07 PM JT-Shop: are you running a rip or did you make a deb? just wondering
05:09 PM Crom: ummm installed debian 8.7, got kernel source and rt patch config and compiled kernel.. had to do something to gt it to boot preprocess the image for something, installed linux 2.7.8 then in stalled 2.8.0-pre1 over the top of that
05:09 PM Crom: linuxcnc2.7.8
05:12 PM Crom: my machine is an ebay yoocnc 3040 running jmc integrated 2nm closed loop steppers, 400w dc 52mm spindle, 50v10a speed control ebay lpt BOB 1 relay with the 5 jst connectors for axis
05:14 PM Crom: rip? reamed in place?
05:16 PM Crom: ok decking at 900mm/m s6000 DOC -0.5mm delrin 4mm end mill
05:17 PM Crom: still seems to me tool.tbl is read ni inches... My machine is configured mm
05:17 PM jym: Crom: FWIW... 1/2" PEX tubing fits 5/8" compression. Not 3/4" as we had talked about.
05:17 PM Crom: ahhh good to know... I was usnig shark fittings...
05:18 PM jym: Crom: I physically checked this in the store against 1/2" white PEX and a 5/8" compression fitting with the insert/ring.
05:19 PM Crom: I really really want to go to 2700mm/m s8000
05:19 PM jym: Crom: yellow gas pex might be different
05:21 PM jym: Crom: Actually, some of the shark fittings were MUCH cheaper than actuall brass ones.
05:21 PM Crom: running at 2700mm/m s8000, it's FAST!
05:22 PM JT-Shop: nice
05:27 PM Crom: F3600 S9000 DOC 1mm
05:29 PM sync_: when you have seen stuff moving at 65m/min that feels so slow
05:32 PM nallar is now known as Ross
05:32 PM andypugh: Crom: I use metric everywhere, tool table is _not_ in mm
05:33 PM andypugh: In fact LinuxCNC is (in general) internally metric. Oddly, the Axis GUI is internally imperial..
05:34 PM Crom: Thanks for the info andy
05:34 PM jym: andypugh: And keystick? Though some bastards too that out! =(
05:34 PM jym: took*
05:34 PM Crom: uploading video of F3600 s9000 DOC 1.5mm
05:35 PM Crom: wow cutting at speeding faster than my jogs
05:35 PM jym: Crom: you just need to jogging shoes is all ;)
05:35 PM jym: new*
05:35 PM andypugh: Crom: You can open to tool table in a text editor and look at the numbers
05:36 PM Crom: I should say faster than my OLD jog speeds... Jog is now 7.2m/m
05:38 PM Crom: bbia longish while... check my youtube page for the upload probably 40 minutes to a hour robisydney is youtube name
05:48 PM Crom: ok youtube is saying 2 more hours for the upload
05:48 PM njh: I have added Airfoil generator by IchGucksLive to the Git repo:
05:48 PM njh: https://github.com/LinuxCNC/simple-gcode-generators/tree/master/airfoil
05:48 PM njh: Also written a README for it
05:48 PM njh: Although I can't actually get it to work at the moment
05:49 PM Crom: njh: can I send you my hal files for WORKING PID on a DC spindle?
05:49 PM andypugh: Interesting idea I just had.
05:49 PM andypugh: You have a wire with a large current
05:49 PM Frank_6: guys, if my stepper driver has "motor free" input (when effects motor is set free), but at the same time i have servos which receive the normal servo on signal, how can i manage the 7i76 outputs to energize the servos and the stepper at the same time?
05:49 PM andypugh: The definition if the amp is about the force on a wire in a magnetic field.
05:50 PM andypugh: Could you CNC-bend the wire in your foam cutter with a magnetic field to cut curves?
05:50 PM njh: Crom: I'm not sure what that means!
05:50 PM njh: I have just been working on the simple G-code generators repo
05:51 PM njh: if it is a change to the main codebase, it is probably best to submit a Pull Request - or upload your files to an issue ticket
05:51 PM Crom: frank_6 loadrt not in the hall file.... you run your servo on signal through not into a signal stepper on (which is actually off)
05:51 PM Crom: issues ticket... that might be best thanks
05:51 PM * njh goes to bed
05:52 PM Crom: andypugh: once you wire hits curie point, it's no longer magnetic
05:52 PM andypugh: Crom: I know that. That’s irrelevant
05:53 PM Frank_6: sry crom i cant understand your point, im trying to look in the realtime components "motion" hal to see if there is a different input for this instace
05:53 PM Frank_6: instance
05:53 PM BeachBumPete: http://i.imgur.com/GCH0LY9.jpg ;)
05:53 PM Crom: Frank_6: You are trying to enable servo's with a high signal. You enable your steppers with a low signal.
05:54 PM andypugh: Frank_6: you would need to use two separate GPIO pins, driven differently. It is probably enough that they share the same drive signal in HAL, but that one needs invert-output set to true.
05:54 PM Frank_6: exactly, something that reverts the logic
05:54 PM Frank_6: thanks ill look some more into it
05:54 PM Crom: the 'not' component will invert (! or NOT) the servo signal into an low signal for your steppers
05:55 PM andypugh: BeachBumPete: Pretty! Islamic State would pay good money for those :-)
05:55 PM andypugh: Crom: You can invert in the GPIO driver layer, no need to do it with a separate component.
05:55 PM BeachBumPete: andypugh THey are not potential customers in my view man... ;)
05:55 PM skunkworks: (or any redneck in the usa...) ;)
05:56 PM andypugh: BeachBumPete: Sell them subtly _bent_ ones :-)
05:56 PM BeachBumPete: I'd like to sell them some that spontaneously explode LOL
05:57 PM gregcnc: BeachBumPete looks good
05:57 PM BeachBumPete: thanks guys it is my newest model
05:57 PM skunkworks: finally got around to rooting my s6 - now what rom to install...
05:57 PM skunkworks: s5
05:57 PM enleth: BeachBumPete: better: sell them some that have missle target beacons embedded
05:57 PM Frank_6: where can i find info about loadrt on the linux site?
05:57 PM enleth: *missile
05:58 PM andypugh: BeachBumPete: Accelerometer, hidden bore, explosive charge and a flechette pointing backwards….
05:58 PM Frank_6: ok got it i think
05:58 PM DaViruz: better not get the batches mixed up
05:58 PM BeachBumPete: all good medicine
05:58 PM andypugh: Frank_6: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/man/man1/halcmd.1.html
06:05 PM skunkworks: andypugh, almost have the edm operational... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNfLRVFBF38
06:05 PM skunkworks: just need to see if the edm part of the edm is working ;)
06:06 PM andypugh: skunkworks: Video needs naked floozie
06:06 PM Frank_6: axis.N.amp-enable-out OUT BIT this is the pin that sends the signal to the servos, for the stepper drive it should be like this: axis.not.amp-enable-out ???
06:06 PM andypugh: Frank_6: Nothing like that simple, unfotunately
06:07 PM Frank_6: lol
06:07 PM Frank_6: ok ill keep reading
06:08 PM andypugh: If you look in the HAL, that pin is linked to another GPIO pin for the servo enable. Link it to a secind GPIO pin then invert that pin
06:34 PM Crom: Video's up 2.07 G21 F3600 s9000 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czdx4DOCbtw
06:37 PM Tom_itx: OSHA would make you wear a hat
06:38 PM Crom: The rattle is my Z shelf which trips the limit switch
06:38 PM andypugh: Confused by the combination of the accent and the tea mug.
06:38 PM Tom_itx: no sound here
06:39 PM Crom: andypugh: My mum is from Balham, London
06:39 PM andypugh: Seems an adequate explanation.
06:39 PM Crom: And yes it is tea
06:40 PM Crom: I don't do coffee at home...
06:40 PM andypugh: I am trying to learn to love tea, but I do prefer coffee.
06:41 PM Tom_itx: andypugh i thought tea came with the territory...
06:41 PM andypugh: Yes, I know, I feel such a fraud
06:41 PM Crom: it's more of a generational thing
06:43 PM Crom: I wonder If I can go faster...
06:48 PM Crom: tooth load was 0.0078" 0.0157 inch per rev 371 SFM
06:49 PM Frank_6: okey, here's a posible stupid question: if in my hal file i have net axis-enable (and 7i76 gpio port) without any connection later on in the file linking axis enable to the hal motion component, wouldnt that be useless?
06:50 PM Tom_itx: Crom, see what this says about chipload http://www.onsrud.com/plusdocs/Doc/index.html?model.code=FeedSpeeds
06:50 PM andypugh: If that really is the case, and the signal isn’t linked anywhere else in any other HAL file, then yes.
06:50 PM andypugh: But look in Halshow to be sure
06:51 PM Tom_itx: Crom, .010" or so wouldn't be out of the question
06:51 PM Frank_6: okey thanks andy, i think 2 neurons actually made synapsis today
06:53 PM Crom: nice, I'm right in the middle of prefered chip load
06:54 PM Crom: OK towards the high side
06:54 PM Crom: 0.006-0.008
06:56 PM Crom: hmm it's saying 0.006-0.008 with a DOC of 1xD, I don't know how many watts I'm using...
07:08 PM gregcnc: gah watch your hair around that spindle
07:09 PM gregcnc: do you have to use conventional? I've never seen milled plastic chips like that
07:17 PM Tom_itx: gregcnc thus the OSHA warning :D
07:19 PM gregcnc: https://www.instagram.com/osha_is_this_ok/ and https://www.instagram.com/health_and_safety/
07:22 PM gregcnc: anyone use brackets? why is opening a file by dragging glacial speed?
07:26 PM insomnia is now known as zombieJesus
07:26 PM andypugh: I occasionally use it, but see no reason to choose to do so
07:26 PM andypugh: I haven’t spotted anything it does better than anything else
07:28 PM Frank_6: would this work andy? i already had different pins for each axis enable, i inverted the pin with this: setp parport.0.pin-09-invert TRUE (with the actual pin number thats an example)
07:28 PM gregcnc: i wouldn't know, but it's better than notebook or wordpad
07:28 PM andypugh: Frank_6: Ought to work, yes.
07:29 PM Frank_6: thanks, will check later when motors are connected thanks for the time
07:29 PM andypugh: Pretty expensive on IO pins if you are limited to a parport. You could just not bother with the stepper driver. They don’t run away.
07:30 PM Frank_6: im using the 7i76, thats the example i found on the internet
07:30 PM Frank_6: but i dont use the same computer for linuxcnc and the irc
07:30 PM Frank_6: #pain in the ass
07:30 PM andypugh: hm2_5i25.0.1.7i76.gpio.00.invert-output then, in your case
07:31 PM andypugh: gregcnc: Windows? Notepad++
07:33 PM Tom_itx: i use notepad++ in windows
07:34 PM Tom_itx: only thing i don't like about it so far is not more than one instance
07:34 PM Frank_6: i have mine like this: hm2_5i25.0.7i76.0.0.output-10-invert TRUE i understand by what you are saying that it should be like this: hm2_5i25.0.7i76.0.0.invert-output TRUE ?
07:34 PM Tom_itx: i use programmer's notepad if i need a side screen of something else
07:34 PM Frank_6: lacking the gpio
07:35 PM andypugh: Frank_6: I was guessing the parameter name.
07:36 PM andypugh: If you have pins with that name, then I guessed wrong.
07:36 PM Frank_6: ahh ok, sorry then. im a complete moron lol
07:36 PM andypugh: No, it’s my fault, I misled you.
07:40 PM Frank_6: by any means, you were helping me, i should knew better. thank you. its late over here.. ill write down this potential problem to see if in the future its the cause of a miss typed pin name. anyway its late over here, see you around
07:40 PM Frank_6: lol*repeating words*
07:41 PM andypugh: It’s late here too. 01:11 in fact
07:41 PM andypugh: Night all :-)
07:41 PM Tom_itx: later andy
07:59 PM DrippityDrops: Gooooooood evening allll
08:01 PM MacGalempsy: hello
08:15 PM DrippityDrops: this looks like it could be killer buy, if you are in the market for such things
08:15 PM DrippityDrops: http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/tls/6041772121.html
08:16 PM DrippityDrops: actually I dont really, know but maybe! =D
08:16 PM BeachBumPete: beast
08:17 PM roycroft: philly is a long way from here
08:18 PM roycroft: how many priority mail boxes would it take to ship that thing?
08:20 PM DrippityDrops: well I did find some cheap fette heads too
08:20 PM DrippityDrops: like 400 - 800
08:26 PM Crom_: Just before I left the house I broke a 4mm carbide endmill :(
08:31 PM Crom_: bah... 3 laptops donated 2 are single cores
08:32 PM Crom_: ML-32 I think is upgradable
08:35 PM BeachBumPete: I gotta make half a dozen 3/8 x3x6 brackets that have 3-3/16 holes and one 3/4 hole in steel
08:36 PM BeachBumPete: trying to decide if I should bother to write a program or just hand do it using DRO LOL
08:37 PM DrippityDrops: BeachBumPete: stack em and DRO
08:37 PM roycroft: big water glass, soapstone stick, and a cutting torch
08:38 PM BeachBumPete: I thought about stacking them actually
08:38 PM * roycroft wonders though, how to cut a 3-3/16" hole in a bracket that's only 3" wide
08:38 PM BeachBumPete: they are just hot rolled plate so not exactly super consistent width
08:38 PM BeachBumPete: no 3 each 3/16 holes
08:38 PM roycroft: oh
08:38 PM roycroft: qty 3 of 3/16" holes
08:39 PM roycroft: i obviously read that differently
08:39 PM roycroft: skip the water glass then - you don't need a big circle :)
08:39 PM DrippityDrops: oh 3/6 maybe it could run off center after so deep
08:40 PM {HD}: Well my new parport + 232 pcie card will not be here anytime soon. I asked the seller where it was and they just refunded me.
08:41 PM {HD}: Guess I should look for something else.
08:41 PM DrippityDrops: maybe your best bet is to just square them all up then, dead stop jig your vice. then you can just set part, drill, revice new part drill. then move the to next hole rechuck them all again
08:41 PM DrippityDrops: {HD}: worst luck ever finding one of the most common I/O since 1972
08:41 PM BeachBumPete: I thought about clamping them together vertically and machine them with my facemill them put them horizontally and stack them
08:42 PM roycroft: or build a big hydraulic punch, make some punches and dies, and punch them out
08:42 PM {HD}: DrippityDrops: lol, it is true.
08:42 PM DrippityDrops: I tried to turn you in the right direction :P
08:42 PM BeachBumPete: the holes don't need to be super precise but they do need to accept a 3/4 rod that will be plug welded into them
08:42 PM {HD}: I still have the tracking information for the one I just got refunded for. It still indicates that it is on the way...
08:43 PM {HD}: But, I am tired of waiting and might just go to 'microcenter' tmrw.
08:43 PM DrippityDrops: {HD}: lel did you just big the guy until he refunded you? :P
08:43 PM DrippityDrops: bug*
08:43 PM roycroft: the universe is whispering "mesanet" to you
08:43 PM DrippityDrops: ikr
08:44 PM {HD}: DrippityDrops: I only asked once after the estimated delivery date had lapst. They did not even respond they just refunded me.
08:44 PM DrippityDrops: jeesh
08:44 PM DrippityDrops: cool tho
08:44 PM DrippityDrops: I mean, sucks you dont have the card on time but cool they are like BAM REFUND
08:45 PM {HD}: DrippityDrops: True. Now I want something FAST so, I am looking at amazon/local stores.
08:46 PM DrippityDrops: it would be quicker to walk down your street for spring cleanup grab any random pc with lpt port and plug in your hdd
08:46 PM DrippityDrops: j/s
08:46 PM DrippityDrops: garage sale $5 for computer tower SOLD
08:46 PM {HD}: DrippityDrops: I have an old computer that I am running with par and 232 but! its OLD! I have much newer/faster computers laying around that I want to switch to.
08:47 PM DrippityDrops: oh, got it
08:47 PM {HD}: My 'jitters' on the tower I am using now is 200K
08:47 PM DrippityDrops: any of those computers got dual eth?
08:47 PM {HD}: DrippityDrops: Yea, why?
08:47 PM DrippityDrops: I been dabbling in ethernet based controls
08:48 PM DrippityDrops: its just nice to have a second onboard ethernet so you can still do internets hardline
08:48 PM {HD}: DrippityDrops: And I have a stack of x540-t2s sitting here that I could put into anything.
08:49 PM {HD}: DrippityDrops: I thought about going eth when my first card was a bust. But, they I was just going to wait for the second card. What are you using?
08:49 PM DrippityDrops: 7i80
08:49 PM DrippityDrops: but that just Im just to 7i90
08:50 PM DrippityDrops: and the whole line of cards are compatible
08:51 PM DrippityDrops: im not sure but maybe the 7i76 is more your style?
08:51 PM DrippityDrops: stepper systems right?
08:51 PM {HD}: DrippityDrops: What 'catagory' are those cards under? I don't see them on the mesa site.
08:51 PM DrippityDrops: anything i/o
08:51 PM {HD}: DrippityDrops: Yea I am running steppers.
08:52 PM {HD}: Why is everyone in love with mesanet?
08:52 PM DrippityDrops: how many axis you planning on running?
08:53 PM DrippityDrops: I dunno but I do servo builds and everything works as I expect it to.
08:53 PM DrippityDrops: easy to expand on too
08:53 PM {HD}: DrippityDrops: 4 axis
08:53 PM DrippityDrops: ntm he seems to carry the card for every situation
08:53 PM DrippityDrops: 4 axis and spindle?
08:54 PM {HD}: DrippityDrops: Yea, 4 axis and HY vfd-spindle
08:54 PM BeachBumPete: personally I have mesanet boards in my CNC VMC Cincinatti Arrow 500 and I could not be more pleased with them. Will be putting the same exact boards in my Standard Modern CNC lathe build now
08:55 PM DrippityDrops: i got builds that beens running in production environment 8 years?
08:56 PM {HD}: Where is the 'buy' button on mesanet?!
08:56 PM {HD}: I wana see $
08:56 PM BeachBumPete: http://i.imgur.com/GCH0LY9.jpg Mine made this today ;)
08:57 PM DrippityDrops: {HD}: I have never used the 7i76e but it looks like there is pnconf tool ready to go for it
08:57 PM {HD}: BeachBumPete: That looks great!
08:57 PM BeachBumPete: thanks man
08:57 PM DrippityDrops: {HD}: http://mesaus.com/
08:57 PM {HD}: BeachBumPete: You made that on the arrow 500?
08:57 PM BeachBumPete: yeah
08:58 PM DrippityDrops: BeachBumPete: good looking part
08:58 PM BeachBumPete: and many more similar to it
08:59 PM {HD}: so, an eth mesa card is going to set me back slightly more than a chinese parport card =)
08:59 PM DrippityDrops: read the manual on the card
08:59 PM DrippityDrops: and see why
08:59 PM {HD}: I see they have a shit ton of io
09:00 PM BeachBumPete: they are very flexible and can be added to relativley easily
09:01 PM DrippityDrops: I prefer the 7i80/90 route using the 50 pin headers so I can deploy extra 7i37 I/O cards at will
09:02 PM BeachBumPete: http://i.imgur.com/j0uBsge.jpg
09:02 PM DrippityDrops: but I have my own opto relay boards that plug directly in too
09:02 PM DrippityDrops: which is great
09:02 PM Crom_: fsck'n POS winbloz 10.... if the hardware is older than 5 years forget it... no drivers
09:02 PM DrippityDrops: you do nice work BeachBumPete!
09:02 PM roycroft: i don't know if this applies, but i had issues with print drivers for windows 7
09:03 PM DrippityDrops: how long of a part can you do without rechucking?
09:03 PM roycroft: i was able to snarf some windows xp 64 bit drivers and install them on windows 7
09:03 PM {HD}: BeachBumPete: I am jealous. I want to be making parts like that.
09:03 PM DrippityDrops: you should tell that printer company to pay you to program for them
09:03 PM DrippityDrops: {HD}: servo system + heavy duty machine slides go a long way
09:04 PM BeachBumPete: well it is doable with mesanet ;)
09:04 PM BeachBumPete: DrippityDrops are you asking me that?
09:04 PM DrippityDrops: ask? hmm no I didnt ask anything
09:04 PM DrippityDrops: ohh
09:05 PM DrippityDrops: yeah I was asking BeachBumPete how long of a part he can do
09:05 PM DrippityDrops: without revicing it
09:05 PM roycroft: except for that thing you asked :)
09:05 PM BeachBumPete: yeah my machine has travels of 20x20x20 inches
09:05 PM {HD}: Ill be trying things like that when my new machine is up and running.
09:05 PM BeachBumPete: actually slightly more than that but not much
09:05 PM DrippityDrops: BeachBumPete: is the machine for hire?
09:06 PM BeachBumPete: ALWAYS ;)
09:07 PM {HD}: My neighbor just gave me one of these but I cannot find a manual for it anywhere... http://www.networkscanning.com/store/Exide-Nautilus-Platinum-2000ex-2000-Watt-110-Amp-Power-Inverter-Charger-_321849890855.html
09:08 PM DrippityDrops: BeachBumPete: I sent you pm
09:09 PM gregcnc: turning hard steel at 200m/min is fun
09:09 PM gregcnc: big shower of sparks
09:18 PM BeachBumPete: jeez man hate doing my taxes... gotta get this shite done LOL
09:18 PM {HD}: This thing looks sweet but I cannot find any data on it.
09:19 PM {HD}: BeachBumPete: TurboTax it.
09:19 PM BeachBumPete: I have done that before
09:19 PM BeachBumPete: we sold and bought a house this past year and moved from Tennessee to Florida so its a bit complicated in addition to my busineess stuff
09:27 PM {HD}: BeachBumPete: You need to 'self-employed' version.
09:31 PM Tom_itx: one task i don't do myself
09:34 PM BeachBumPete: been doing it myself for my entire life
09:34 PM {HD}: I think the tax code is ridiculous. It should not be 'hard' to give the government money...
09:34 PM gregcnc: I finally did it the other day, wife wanted it done in February
09:34 PM BeachBumPete: it IS ridiculous
09:34 PM gregcnc: it's not, giving them as little as possible is hard
09:41 PM jdh: where is the incentive to de-complicate tax code
09:43 PM BeachBumPete: Gotta get to bed folks have a good night
10:31 PM {HD}: This inverter doesnt seem to be working. It is much more complicated on the inside then I thought it would be.
10:36 PM DrippityDrops: this thunderstorm is great, until the power goes out
10:36 PM DrippityDrops: lighting is filling the picture window over my monitor
10:37 PM {HD}: Awesome. Thunderstorm wont hit here till AM
10:39 PM {HD}: WTH is this picture depicting? http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/zCYAAOSwCU1YwMBQ/s-l500.jpg
10:46 PM Tom_itx: a pair of headphones ready to devour a DC psu
10:47 PM DrippityDrops: https://vimeo.com/212690959
10:47 PM DrippityDrops: automatic tapping machine I made =D
10:48 PM DrippityDrops: in case anyone was curious its 1 servo spindle and two encoders, the Z axis is actually hydraulic
10:48 PM DrippityDrops: anx spindle follows Z via linear encoder on side
10:50 PM {HD}: Tom_itx: lol
10:51 PM {HD}: DrippityDrops: What do you use MOTOMAN for?!
10:53 PM DrippityDrops: haha to load the little part into the chuck and unload it
10:53 PM Cromaglious_: can someone repaste my pastebin for pid hal settings
10:54 PM Cromaglious_: never mind hehe
10:55 PM Tom_itx: but did you know 'index' will get you yesterday's utterances and words of wisdom?
10:58 PM {HD}: This has some good automation in it...I think it seems funny to use such a BIG robot for such a seemingly simple task.
10:59 PM {HD}: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHG7n7Z9cEg
11:04 PM DrippityDrops: {HD}: I payed $100 for motoman
11:04 PM DrippityDrops: I was thrilled to give it something to do
11:04 PM {HD}: Thats awesome! I need a deal like that.
11:06 PM MacGalempsy: evening all
11:12 PM {HD}: I wana buy a little pitbike for getting out to my shop.
11:12 PM DrippityDrops: MacGalempsy: =D
11:12 PM DrippityDrops: Gooooooood evvveennenenenneneningng
11:13 PM DrippityDrops: {HD}: I built this little automatic deburring thing a couple weeks ago https://vimeo.com/212692598
11:14 PM MacGalempsy: what are you deburring there, sockets_
11:14 PM MacGalempsy: ?
11:14 PM {HD}: DrippityDrops: I cannot see what that machine is doing!
11:14 PM DrippityDrops: just a weld in bushing thing
11:14 PM DrippityDrops: it just deburs the flange side of the bushing nothing special
11:15 PM DrippityDrops: a guy at work just fills it up and walks away
11:15 PM DrippityDrops: saves him from standing at a lathe for 50,000pcs a year
11:15 PM DrippityDrops: the robot used to do that job, but it was just temporary until I got something simpler made up
11:18 PM {HD}: DrippityDrops: how hard could Moto man hit you?
11:20 PM DrippityDrops: if the arm was bent at the elbow and wrist; coming in a downward motion, the combined acceleration rates of each joint would be enough to do serious damage.
11:21 PM {HD}: Neat. Do you have to program it or can you drive it with a joystick?
11:21 PM DrippityDrops: but you could hang on the arm extended and it could not lift you
11:22 PM DrippityDrops: I teach it with the pendant then I wire all the I/O into a mesa card so I can tell it to cycle and stop and so forth
11:22 PM {HD}: I want one
11:22 PM DrippityDrops: its for sale
11:23 PM DrippityDrops: it used to be a welding robot
11:26 PM {HD}: I should add more CL RSS feeds for robots
11:29 PM DrippityDrops: whereabout do you live?
11:30 PM {HD}: South-eastern mid-west US
11:34 PM DrippityDrops: do you use QuiteRSS?
11:36 PM {HD}: no I have them in my thunderbird email client
11:37 PM DrippityDrops: I mass edit .opml RSS feed files with text editor then zap them to QuiteRSS and bam search multiple citys with new terms
11:38 PM DrippityDrops: careful, CL will IPBlock you if you hit them too hard
11:38 PM {HD}: How large of a radius do you search?
11:38 PM DrippityDrops: depends how heavy the item is
11:39 PM DrippityDrops: shipping cost and all
11:42 PM {HD}: Hum...maybe I should reevaluate how far I would drive.
11:58 PM yasnak: anyone experienced in machining carbon fiber?