#linuxcnc Logs

Apr 09 2017

#linuxcnc Calendar

12:39 AM Crom: thing that ticks me off lnuxcnc pid doesn't explain what units pid.0.output is in.
12:42 AM XXCoder: some areas definitely is poorly documented
01:15 AM Crom: YES YES YES YES working a hell of a lot better.. got it working s500 to s8500
01:16 AM Crom: where a good code paste
01:17 AM XXCoder: dpaste
01:17 AM XXCoder: dpaste.com
01:17 AM XXCoder: and nice! that is why I wanted to work on spindle tach. too bad I lost thendamned magnet.
01:22 AM Crom: https://pastebin.com/fDcSqXL3
01:23 AM Crom: still have to figure out why it doesn't hit 10000rpm
01:25 AM archivist: some of that hal is not in the right order
01:26 AM Crom: true... it's working though...
01:26 AM Crom: don't need scale or sum
01:27 AM archivist: things happen in the order of the lines, so some lines will be looking at the previous value not the current
01:30 AM XXCoder: bleh looks like gonna order magnets
01:30 AM XXCoder: thinking on what to order
01:31 AM archivist: use opto disk easy to have balanced on a motor
01:31 AM XXCoder: is it worth it for my small machine? if so where do i get cheaoer one]
01:31 AM archivist: hight speed requires good balance and things held on properly
01:32 AM archivist: this is not about price it is does it fall off or not
01:33 AM XXCoder: so gluing magnet inside spindle fan would break it? even if opposited
01:33 AM archivist: the forces at 20k rpm are huge
01:34 AM XXCoder: maybe its better to just do optical sensor and tape with dark or shiny spot
01:35 AM archivist: paint, less weight
01:35 AM XXCoder: hmm
01:35 AM roycroft: about 30 years ago i had the carbide cutter tip come off a wood router bit while it was spinning at about 20k rpm
01:35 AM roycroft: it embedded itself quite deeply in a plywood wall about 6m away
01:36 AM XXCoder: interesting myfordboy project
01:37 AM XXCoder: theres less and less orginial parts lol
01:38 AM XXCoder: wow nice sketch pad
01:38 AM XXCoder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14TR_BXIX34
01:39 AM XXCoder: plastic folder to make covers, chever
01:39 AM Crom: archivist: good point
01:39 AM XXCoder: have to reconsider how to detect rpm
01:39 AM XXCoder: Crom: whats you use
01:40 AM Crom: hall effect with magnets epoxied inside the fan
01:40 AM Crom: 3 magnets..
01:40 AM XXCoder: so it held in fine?
01:40 AM XXCoder: I was concerned about balancing and it ripping out
01:40 AM XXCoder: did you also buy magnets online? if so which?
01:41 AM Crom: well my fan has 12 blades... I epoxied the magnets to the same corder at 120 degree apart...
01:42 AM Crom: mine come out nicely balanced
01:42 AM XXCoder: is 4 too rapid for sensor?
01:42 AM Crom: 2 would be fine
01:42 AM XXCoder: I orginially planned 2
01:42 AM XXCoder: er 1
01:42 AM XXCoder: but balance issues
01:42 AM Crom: well it's nite nite time for me... I won't be in tomorrow.. I really have to sew tomorrow
01:43 AM XXCoder: http://www.banggood.com/Ultra-thin-12-Inch-LCD-Writing-Tablet-Digital-Drawing-Tablet-Handwriting-Pads-Electronic-Tablet-p-1128774.html
01:43 AM XXCoder: nice and fauirly cheap
01:43 AM XXCoder: Crom: what magnets did you use?
01:53 AM XXCoder: "Although it seems counter-intuitive, Armstrong landed the Eagle too softly on the surface of the moon. Berman says Armstrong was supposed to cut the engines when the lander was a few feet from the surface. NASA scientists built the lander with legs that would crumple upon impact to absorb the shock. Since Armstrong was such an ace pilot, the landers legs never crumpled. As a result, the astronauts had to exit the lander several
01:53 AM XXCoder: feet higher than intended, which means that first small step was more of a leap."
01:53 AM XXCoder: interesting
02:20 AM XXCoder: wtf
02:20 AM XXCoder: archivist: why dont guy finish shaft so flipping it dont mess with plane of cuts? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AaoGG3NuQbk
02:21 AM XXCoder: I would face it off on outside, front face and shift face and shaft sides, then flip. nice and smooth shaft to grip then
02:21 AM archivist: I cannot see yt on this box,
02:22 AM XXCoder: ah now guy is using outside smooth surface to grip to do shaft
02:23 AM Deejay: moin
02:24 AM XXCoder: hmm shaft not milled. its nice and parallel in least
02:24 AM XXCoder: oh its a flywheel archivist sorry forgot say what is being made
02:25 AM XXCoder: hey dee
02:25 AM Deejay: hey XX ;)
02:30 AM XXCoder: how does it
02:32 AM Deejay: fine, but busy :)
02:32 AM XXCoder: cool. just thinking on what magnets to use for my spindle feedback tachmeter
02:33 AM Deejay: neodym ;)
02:33 AM XXCoder: well of course what I meant is what shape of magnet and so on
02:33 AM XXCoder: not too sure what would fit inside spindle fan
02:33 AM Deejay: hehe
02:34 AM DrippityDrops: http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2008/04/06/majmagnet_wideweb__470x311,0.jpg
02:34 AM DrippityDrops: that outta do
02:34 AM XXCoder: seems small to me
02:34 AM DrippityDrops: wireless 3 phase
02:36 AM DrippityDrops: instead of buss bar coming down, you just would need a big copper antenna and put the magnets on osciallate
03:33 AM XXCoder: jeez!
03:33 AM XXCoder: 100 of 3mmx1mm n35 magnets for 99 cents
03:33 AM XXCoder: half off but still lol
03:34 AM XXCoder: and even cheaper http://www.banggood.com/300x-Disc-Rare-Earth-Neodymium-Super-Strong-Fridge-Magnets-N35-3x1m-Craft-Model-p-1063950.html
03:35 AM archivist: dob of white/black paint 0
03:37 AM XXCoder: I'd have to buy optical sensor
03:37 AM XXCoder: does it work on 5v though?
03:37 AM archivist: most do in some way
03:38 AM XXCoder: so many magnets I wonder if theres project ideas for those lol
03:38 AM XXCoder: like snap together machine enclosure
03:42 AM XXCoder: what sensor do you suggest for optical?
03:46 AM archivist: reflective
03:53 AM XXCoder: no, I mean more specific sensor, there seems to be tons
03:54 AM archivist: a reflective one that fits!
03:55 AM archivist: you expect me to know the shape you are working with!
03:55 AM XXCoder: no, what I meant is good example of what I should look for
03:57 AM archivist: ebay search reflective opto
03:57 AM XXCoder: bcause im not even sure what it looks like
03:57 AM XXCoder: ebay havent tried that ok
04:00 AM XXCoder: http://www.ebay.com/itm/10pcs-TCRT5000-Reflective-Photoelectric-Switch-Infrared-Optical-Sensor-NEW-CA-/141975941140
04:00 AM XXCoder: correct type?
04:02 AM archivist: they dont quote max frequency else how cheap can they get
04:03 AM XXCoder: huh Collector Emitter Voltage: 70V Emitter Collector Voltage: 5V
04:08 AM XXCoder: gonna love boolean logic search
04:08 AM XXCoder: makes things easier
04:10 AM XXCoder: what should I look for for optical refective sensor?
04:13 AM XXCoder: so far no sensor has max freq.
04:14 AM XXCoder: minium for my machine would be 12,000 hz
04:14 AM XXCoder: err max needed
04:14 AM XXCoder: thoufgh I prefer twice that
04:15 AM archivist: dont confuse rpm with rps
04:15 AM XXCoder: doh so 12000x60
04:16 AM archivist: try again
04:16 AM archivist: and how many marks per rev
04:16 AM XXCoder: yeah was wondering, how accurately can I mark em
04:16 AM XXCoder: say if 4, 90 degrees
04:17 AM XXCoder: im sure minor errors dont matter, like 1 degree or 2
04:17 AM archivist: one is enough for rpm
04:18 AM XXCoder: I guess more is needed for say tapping, but I doubt my machine spindle can do that
04:18 AM archivist: 50% of the dia black other 50% white
04:19 AM archivist: your minimum speed is too high
04:19 AM XXCoder: thought just need rising edge or lowering edge
04:19 AM archivist: and you need a proper encoder for tapping
04:19 AM XXCoder: min is actually I guess 200 rpm
04:19 AM XXCoder: doubt can run that low, so lets assume 500 rpm, max 12000 rpm
04:20 AM archivist: you need to detect an index and direction, 3 sensors
04:20 AM XXCoder: for tapping?
04:20 AM XXCoder: interesting
04:20 AM archivist: yes
04:20 AM XXCoder: funny that I learn quite a bit from home machining, work machining dont cover all
04:21 AM XXCoder: and work machining taught me a lot too. like common reference point. I would have big issues if I never got machinist job
04:21 AM XXCoder: im not sure you recall but I started slowly collecting parts before I even entered job training! lol still find that very funny.
04:22 AM XXCoder: 2013 something?
04:25 AM Mibka_: I'm going to modify my old printer to a laser engraver/cutter. Has anyone got any idea how powerfull a laser needs to be in order to cutt 8mm plexi?
04:29 AM XXCoder: hey mib welcome to linuxcnc
04:29 AM XXCoder: pretty quiet atm
04:29 AM Mibka_: np ;)
04:29 AM Mibka_: I'm not in a hurry
04:34 AM XXCoder: arch I was thinking, and I think i figured why 3 sensor. say sensor A B and C, and it triggers A, B then C. that gives definite direction that 1 and 2 does not
04:34 AM XXCoder: right?
04:37 AM cpresser: Mibka_: 40W might do it, but I would at least install 50W
04:37 AM cpresser: ~60W
04:38 AM cpresser: mine has 80W and can barely cut 12mm transparent acrylic
04:38 AM Mibka_: cpresser: okay. Well, it's for personal use so I don't need high speed and I just found this page https://jtechphotonics.com/?p=1648 where they cut with just a 2.8Watt laser. I was thinking I can maybe get a 5.5watt laser and do it in multiple passes too?
04:39 AM Mibka_: Do you think that would work for 5mm plexi? Or should I get a higher watt laser anyway
04:39 AM Mibka_: since it's for personal use/experimenting I can't spend a lot on the laser anyway :(
04:41 AM cpresser: page does not load. what kind of laser is that? wavelenght?
04:42 AM cpresser: you need a invisible laser to cut through transparent material
04:42 AM cpresser: 2.8W sounds like a visible diode laser
04:42 AM Mibka_: 445nm
04:43 AM cpresser: multiple passes will get you ugly edges. for playing around that is fine. but not for getting work done
04:43 AM Mibka_: strange this page isn't loading at your end. It loads fine here ;)
04:44 AM cpresser: now it does load.. unsure what was wrong. to lazy to debug.
04:46 AM cpresser: for that money 300$ you can almost get a chinesium-40W-Co2-laser
04:46 AM XXCoder: isnt it $1000 for tube?
04:48 AM sync_: no
04:48 AM cpresser: https://de.aliexpress.com/item/40W-CO2-Laser-Engraving-Cutting-Machine-Engraver-Cutter-USB-Port-High-Precise/32787615135.html
04:49 AM XXCoder: heard of that one but gotten cheaper since
04:49 AM XXCoder: and also heard basically have to rebuild
04:50 AM cpresser: they are pretty shitty; but 10times less shitty than those visible-light 3d-printer-addon-lasers
04:50 AM XXCoder: makes sense I guess
04:51 AM Mibka_: looks interesting but shipping to Belgium at $260 makes it almost double te price :/
04:51 AM cpresser: rebuild makes sense; but they are in working condition when they arrive. but not up to european work-safety
04:52 AM cpresser: but enclosed, so way more safe than the open-air vis lasers
04:54 AM XXCoder: though if you stay under 600mm you can buy cheap 2020 extrusions and build one'
04:54 AM cpresser: Mibka_: find a hackerspace that has a co2-machine. afaik there are some in belgium
05:11 AM Mibka_: I'll try to find one ;
05:11 AM Mibka_: ;)
06:22 AM XXCoder: lol wtf
06:22 AM XXCoder: http://www.banggood.com/12pcs-Mini-DIY-Polishing-Cutting-Woodworking-Tool-Multifunctional-Woodworking-Lathe-Set-p-1134280.html
06:22 AM XXCoder: 51 bucks for really tiny lathe...
06:22 AM XXCoder: 12 of rm
06:23 AM XXCoder: not one. 12.
06:23 AM XXCoder: thats less than 5 bucks each lathe lol
06:25 AM archivist: pushing the description "lathe" to the limit
06:25 AM XXCoder: yeah its barely one
06:26 AM XXCoder: http://www.banggood.com/DC-24V-Mini-Lathe-Beads-Machine-Polish-Woodworking-DIY-Tools-80-100W-p-1121255.html one for 36 bucks
06:26 AM XXCoder: though it does have power unlike other one
06:28 AM archivist: by the way the 12 is all the tools and chuck key not the lathe qty
06:28 AM XXCoder: hmm yeah makes sense
06:29 AM XXCoder: later one is better deal, has power and cheaper
06:31 AM XXCoder: cheap https://hackaday.io/project/21020-3d-printed-mini-manual-mill LOL
06:32 AM archivist: 3d shite
06:32 AM XXCoder: yeah I'd make it with my cnc router not glue gun it
06:37 AM XXCoder: im slightly tempted by that cheap lathe lol
06:37 AM XXCoder: just to make tiny stuff for fun lol
06:37 AM archivist: dont need a small lathe for tiny
06:37 AM XXCoder: I suppose but then tiny is easy to move and place
06:38 AM XXCoder: low upper bound though
06:38 AM archivist: you need good bearings on the spindle though
06:38 AM XXCoder: since its an extrusion I can get longer, but not larger diameter
06:38 AM XXCoder: I bet
06:39 AM archivist: better off with http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2015/2015_01_08_Lorch_watch_lathe/IMG_1869.JPG
06:40 AM XXCoder: heyy tool setter 60 bucjks
06:40 AM XXCoder: +-.005mm which is close enough for my machine
06:41 AM XXCoder: except its 2" high, which means it wont work for my machine lol
06:44 AM XXCoder: you ever used taper ballnose tool?
06:44 AM XXCoder: because never seen one in use and its weird
06:51 AM XXCoder: pulse encoder back has A B ov vcc NOT A and NOT B
06:51 AM XXCoder: interesting
06:52 AM XXCoder: only needs 5v nice
06:52 AM archivist: you need index as well for tapping
06:52 AM XXCoder: no, its for pendant
06:52 AM XXCoder: though I guess it can be abused that way LOL
06:53 AM XXCoder: http://www.banggood.com/60mm-100PPR-6-Terminal-Eletronic-CNC-Hand-Wheel-Manual-Pulse-Encoder-Generator-p-1130887.html
06:56 AM XXCoder: geez can buy mecury switches
06:56 AM XXCoder: crazy
07:05 AM XXCoder: archivist: it finallynloaded
07:06 AM XXCoder: wow so different
07:08 AM XXCoder: http://www.banggood.com/400R-50-22-4F-BAP-Aluminum-Alloy-Lathe-Tool-Milling-Cutter-90-Degree-for-APKT1604-Insert-p-1095741.html
07:08 AM XXCoder: fancy teal facemill
07:13 AM archivist: dont put that on a tiny spindle
07:14 AM XXCoder: can I even put it in? lol
07:21 AM nallar is now known as Ross
08:26 AM Tom_L: XXCoder did you look at what the mercury switches were?
08:26 AM XXCoder: yeah its pretty simple
08:26 AM Tom_L: power window switch for a mercury car
08:27 AM XXCoder: it connects when switch is positioned correcly
08:27 AM Tom_L: unless i'm not finding what you're talking about
08:27 AM XXCoder: leads inside glass with mecury drop in it
08:27 AM Tom_L: i doubt you can get a mercury switch
08:27 AM XXCoder: you apparenrly can.
08:27 AM Tom_L: i know what they are
08:28 AM archivist: I know where there is a box full, how many do you want
08:28 AM Tom_L: 0
08:28 AM XXCoder: I need and want zero. thanks for shipping zero to me!
08:28 AM Tom_L: they used to be common place
08:28 AM Tom_L: thermostats etc
08:28 AM archivist: perfectly safe in the glass
08:28 AM Tom_L: yeah
08:28 AM Tom_L: i still use mercury thermometers
08:29 AM XXCoder: I still want to go see the mecury fountain
08:29 AM XXCoder: it used to be in open, imange that.
08:29 AM XXCoder: its now enclased in glass of course
08:29 AM archivist: he has a mercury time switch too
09:31 AM IchGucksLive: hi all
09:31 AM IchGucksLive: its summer here in Germany
09:32 AM IchGucksLive: temp above the summer cut line
09:33 AM IchGucksLive: R2E4_bevins does not have sunday itas almost oilöy smell all over him
09:33 AM IchGucksLive: he likes to dive alday in the mud
09:33 AM IchGucksLive: ;-)
09:33 AM IchGucksLive: keep digging im back 7pm Berlin
11:18 AM Crom: Morning
11:19 AM Crom: Anyone come up eith a cleaner hal file?
11:21 AM Crom: Best place for mercury switches: thermostats and washing machines
11:22 AM Crom: Morning r2
11:25 AM Crom: Pid speed control using linuxcnc
11:33 AM Crom: Loadrt encoder count=1; loadrt pid count=1; setp encoder.0.position-scale  0.05 # 3 magnets 60 seconds means 3/60 or 0.05
11:33 AM BeachBumPete: Hello LinuxCNC happy weekend ;)
11:41 AM Crom: XXCoder: you awak?
11:42 AM enleth: happy indeed, ORAC almost fully operational
11:45 AM Crom: XXCoder: neodynium magets off name tags http://www.ebay.com/itm/322414859948
11:45 AM Crom: enleth: lasing I take it?
11:48 AM Crom: heh... just looked up 283ozin == 1.47 foot pounds
11:49 AM Loetmichel_: Crom: i buy all my magnets at supermagnete.de . its so cheap that i can buy the ones that fit the job and dont have to design around any reclaimed ones
11:49 AM Loetmichel_: ... also they are strong enough to pinch your skin ;)
11:52 AM Crom: not bad prices
11:54 AM Loetmichel_: Crom: thats how i fixed the print bed on my home printer:
11:55 AM Loetmichel_: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=16402&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
11:55 AM Loetmichel_: ... the violet stuff is an 1mm silicone heat transfer pad
11:56 AM Loetmichel_: ... no need for any bull camps any more
11:56 AM Loetmichel_: and each of the magnets pulls with more than 15N
11:57 AM Loetmichel_: so that build bed is fixed there for good until you lift it up with a screwdriver and a long lever ;)
11:57 AM Loetmichel_: it cant move a thou on its own
11:57 AM Loetmichel_: not even if the nozzle hits it sideways ;)
11:59 AM enleth: Crom: no, that's the lathe
11:59 AM enleth: Crom: Denford ORAC
11:59 AM enleth: Crom: the laser is an entirely different matter
12:00 PM Crom: heh
12:00 PM archivist: its the big sister to my lathe :)
12:00 PM enleth: archivist: "big"?
12:01 PM archivist: compared to mine!
12:02 PM archivist: mine is wimp size
12:02 PM enleth: Crom: I'm buying a 150W laser supply today, but I also need to get a replacement tube, the one I had died after a month of light use, the inner cooling sleeve cracked right at the start of a job, with coolant at room temperature
12:04 PM enleth: Crom: I bought it from a local importer, so there's a slightly higher chance of getting a replacement for free than a direct import from aliexpress
12:05 PM Crom: Ouch... I got 9 months out of one of mine till i ran the power to high
12:05 PM enleth: cracked or fizzled out?
12:07 PM Crom: plated.. walls were to conduction to get it to lase
12:07 PM enleth: ah, OK
12:07 PM enleth: the previous one here ended up like this
12:07 PM enleth: well, maybe not that bad, it still fires
12:07 PM enleth: but won't even cut cardboard properly
12:08 PM Crom: mine ended up with a nice pink plating...
12:08 PM enleth: you mean, the inside of the inner tube turned pink?
12:08 PM Crom: yep
12:08 PM Crom: copper plated
12:09 PM enleth: interesting, the most recent cracked one was pink-ish inside straight from the supplier
12:09 PM enleth: I assumed it's supposed to be like that, even though the two I had previously were clear
12:09 PM Crom: I'll have to find the tube and take a close up of it.
12:10 PM Crom: Someday itll be the barrel of a steam punk rifle
12:10 PM enleth: they were made by a different factory, I shrugged it off as some kind of deliberate coating or whatever
12:10 PM enleth: how likely it is for a brand new tube to be plated internally like that?
12:10 PM Crom: inner tube should be cler
12:11 PM Crom: unlikely.. that almost sounds used
12:11 PM enleth: well, it was packaged like a new one
12:12 PM Crom: have you join k40 on google groups/
12:12 PM enleth: if it really was used, question is if it's the chinese who did some "refurbishing" on the side, or the importer
12:12 PM enleth: no - should I?
12:12 PM Crom: Definately! https://plus.google.com/communities/118113483589382049502
12:13 PM Crom: you running stock controller/
12:13 PM Crom: ?
12:14 PM Crom: one of mine is a mega RAMPS 1.4 and the other is smoothieware
12:14 PM Crom: yes the smoothie board is more expensive, engraves just look better and I can up load files using ethernet
12:16 PM sync_: I suppose you could just refill the tubes tho
12:16 PM enleth: Crom: stock Lihuyiu Labs (the joke is, that name contains a very pronounced homophone of Polish/Russian word roots for both "dick" and "mediocre"), mainly due to the fact that it's very difficult to get such a short design preparation time as with the chinese Corel plugin for any alternatives
12:17 PM IchGucksLive: hi from Germany
12:17 PM enleth: Crom: I mean, it's shit, but it's easy to use and fast
12:17 PM enleth: Crom: now that F360 has a CAM support for lasers (released in March 23rd update), this might change
12:18 PM enleth: as the easy to use software stack was the only thing keeping us from swapping the controller
12:18 PM Crom: that board is WAY better than the MoshiDar board... considering
12:18 PM Crom: MoshiDraw
12:19 PM enleth: oh, and I've got a smoothieboard waiting for the swap
12:19 PM IchGucksLive: enleth: dor laser sheetcqam is best
12:19 PM IchGucksLive: for
12:20 PM enleth: it's still going to take some time to replace the software stack for non-egineering designs, but at least if it accepts gcode, we can use F360 for the time being
12:20 PM Crom: get a 4 relay board for like arduino's and get smothie controlled fan, pump, air assist
12:20 PM enleth: we'll probably make an inkscape plugin or whatever
12:20 PM IchGucksLive: Crom: this boards are all negativ driven
12:21 PM enleth: Crom: I've got a box of those, no worries
12:21 PM IchGucksLive: enleth: image 2gcode ?
12:22 PM Crom: The inkscape laser cutter extension is quite good. If you search the forum for Cromaglious you can find my mod of the extension for multiple passes and some other tweaks
12:22 PM enleth: Crom: cool, I'll check it out
12:22 PM IchGucksLive: Crom: laser cut or engrave
12:23 PM Crom: instead of running the same program for multiple passes
12:23 PM Crom: both
12:23 PM IchGucksLive: cand you post us the link
12:23 PM Crom: multiple pass is only for vector thogh
12:23 PM enleth: I'm also considering just building a new plotter from ground up as the chinese frame we're using now is small and inconvenient to use
12:24 PM enleth: it had to be modified already to fit the 60W tube
12:24 PM IchGucksLive: enleth: i use a simple drill setup build with norm parts
12:24 PM enleth: there's a steel tube sticking out the side to contain it
12:24 PM IchGucksLive: at 750x500
12:25 PM IchGucksLive: real cheep just 8020 frame and then pin fixers on the esbr
12:26 PM IchGucksLive: i use 16mm pins as i got a 18h7
12:26 PM IchGucksLive: 28h7
12:26 PM IchGucksLive: that drills fast chhep holes
12:27 PM IchGucksLive: to fit the 2USD liniars
12:28 PM Crom: Turnkey laser is the extension
12:32 PM IchGucksLive: archivist: Thanks for returniong the simple ones
12:34 PM Crom: oops it was on cnczone
12:35 PM IchGucksLive: guten abend GEFU
12:36 PM GEFU: Guten Abend
12:38 PM GEFU: Auf meinem CNC-PC habe ich jetzt eine Festplatte für Linux konfiguriert. Linuxcnc habe ich nun soweit eingerichtet.
12:40 PM GEFU: Jetzt habe ich aber ein Problem mit der Referenzfahrt. Wenn ich für ene Achse eine Referenzfahrt starte, bewegt sich immer die Z-Achse. Das ist bei Y. X und Z so. Was habe ich da falsch eingestellt?
12:41 PM IchGucksLive: Jede Achse kann einzel über maschine Referenzfahrt gemacht werden
12:41 PM IchGucksLive: wenn du die Reihenfolge der Referenzfahrt ändern willsz in der INI
12:42 PM GEFU: Es geht nicht um die Reihenfolge. Wenn ich mit der Maus die Referenzfahrt für X starte, bewegt sich die Z-Achse.
12:45 PM Crom: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bx1QPREM-7mvdUtJa3FacG1TR1BYQUF1TUFIY0FDMHZLSU9N/view?usp=sharing
12:45 PM Crom: that's the turnkey laser mod
12:47 PM IchGucksLive: Thanks
12:49 PM Crom: inx is the inkscape menu file and .py is the code
12:50 PM Crom: in inx, one of the first things you should do is change this line <submenu _name="Export"/>
12:51 PM Crom: Change Export to some like "!Laser" then it'll be the first one on the menu
12:53 PM Crom: hmm "!a Laser"
12:56 PM Crom: kewl deleting that line puts it into the root menu
01:00 PM enleth: Crom: maybe publish it on github?
01:00 PM enleth: it's going to be easier to find and distribute there
01:00 PM skunkworks: getting closer
01:00 PM skunkworks: http://electronicsam.com/images/matsuura/20170408_193411.jpg
01:01 PM skunkworks: http://electronicsam.com/images/matsuura/20170409_120418.jpg
01:01 PM archivist: rotates images!
01:01 PM Crom: if someone want's to do that go for it... I think I already put in a pull at git hub
01:01 PM skunkworks: ? they show up correctly here
01:01 PM skunkworks: in crhome
01:01 PM enleth: there seems to be a sizeable bunch of things like pyvcp plugins on the linuxcnc forums that are difficult to locate if you're not a forum dweller
01:02 PM skunkworks: looks like a few leaks in the table
01:03 PM enleth: skunkworks: EDM?
01:05 PM Crom: May 22 2016 https://github.com/ajfoul/thlaser-inkscape-plugin/pull/3
01:15 PM archivist: enleth, and worse some of the forum bitrots
01:22 PM IchGucksLive: im off GN8
01:22 PM Crom: nite
01:24 PM enleth: archivist: that, too
01:25 PM Crom: archivist: can I talk you into doing a clean up of the section within the ============= of https://pastebin.com/fDcSqXL3
01:25 PM Crom: the net lines still don't make sense to me
01:26 PM Crom: net spindle_enable motion.spindle-on => pwmgen.0.enable => pid.0.enable
01:27 PM archivist: I dont expect to see loadrt spread about the shop
01:27 PM Crom: is this use either spindle_enable or motion.spindle-on into pwmgen.0.enable and then into pid.0.enable
01:29 PM Crom: I know this line does away with scale setp encoder.0.position-scale 0.05
01:29 PM archivist: that is two connections on one line legal
01:29 PM Crom: encoder.0.velocity now reports RPM
01:30 PM Crom: the turning on of pwmgen and pid I see 2 connections... I'm not understanding the " spindle_enable motion.spindle-on" part
01:32 PM archivist: spindle_enable space is just a net name
01:34 PM Crom: ahh sort of a void netname(pin) => netname => anothernetname
01:34 PM archivist: net netname pins.names. etc => to__pin =>another_pin later on you can use the name again to add more connections
01:36 PM archivist: it is just like real wire TM
01:39 PM Crom: so net if netname is already defined. net time could be: net spindle_enable => another.pin
01:40 PM Crom: s/net time/next time/
01:41 PM Crom: so the line could be split into 3 lines... net spindle_enable motion.spindle-on => pwmgen.0.enable => pid.0.enable
01:42 PM Crom: net spindle_enable motion.spindle-on; net net spindle_enable => pwmgen.0.enable; net spindle_enable =< pid.0.enable
01:42 PM Crom: s/net net/net /
01:44 PM Crom: net spindle_enable motion.spindle-on; net spindle_enable => pwmgen.0.enable; net pwmgen.0.enable =< pid.0.enable
01:44 PM Crom: is also valid
01:44 PM Crom: net spindle_enable motion.spindle-on; net spindle_enable => pwmgen.0.enable; net pwmgen.0.enable => pid.0.enable
01:44 PM Crom: s/=</=>/
01:48 PM archivist: I think the arrow equivalence is a bit confusing in the syntax
01:49 PM Crom: if I'm reading a value it's <= if I'm assigning a value it's =>
01:53 PM archivist: The optional direction arrows <=, => and <=> make it easier to follow the logic when reading a net command line and are not used by the net command. The direction arrows must be separated by a space from the pin names.
01:53 PM archivist: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.5/html/hal/basic_hal.html
01:54 PM archivist: google finds 2.5 first because someone wont do something sensible
01:54 PM Crom: yeah it's starting to make sense now... reading http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gui/gmoccapy.html#_spindle_feedback_pins right now
01:55 PM Crom: pins and pins which are virtual kinda throw one for a loop
01:55 PM archivist: info goes any direction on a wire
01:59 PM Crom: how do you invert a signal you want to send?
02:00 PM jym: dont you negated it?
02:00 PM archivist: sometimes the inversion already exists other times you use a comp
02:02 PM Crom: I have motion.spindle-at-speed which is true when false and I have gmoccapy.spindle_at_speed_led which needs true
02:02 PM archivist: lots to play with http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/man/man9/
02:03 PM archivist: eg http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/man/man9/invert.9.html
02:04 PM Crom: invert is float... I need invert_bit
02:04 PM archivist: but often with a parallel port or similar the inverse exists
02:05 PM Crom: checking comparison
02:05 PM archivist: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/man/man9/not.9.html
02:06 PM archivist: a logical inverter is a not gate
02:06 PM archivist: someone used to electronics will soon get the naming
02:07 PM Loetmichel: archivist: sometimes as simple as a transistor with two resistors attached
02:08 PM archivist: this is in hal not hardware
02:08 PM archivist: cheaper
02:43 PM skunkworks: enleth, yes
02:45 PM Crom: grrrr ./cnc3040-800.hal:74: Pin 'encoder_raw_velocity' does not exist yet it's defined on line 71 net encoder_raw_velocity encoder.0.velocity => motion.spindle-speed-in
02:49 PM pcw_home: encoder_raw_velocity is a signal, not a pin
02:49 PM pcw_home: so you probably have a mistake in a hal file line where you are using "encoder_raw_velocity" like a pin
02:50 PM pcw_home: (in other words not the first token in a net statement )
02:52 PM Crom: line 71 net encoder_raw_velocity encoder.0.velocity => motion.spindle-speed-in
02:52 PM Crom: lines 72,72 are blank or comment
02:53 PM Crom: line 74 net pid_feedback pid.0.feedback <= encoder_raw_velocity
02:53 PM pcw_home: thats wrong
02:53 PM Crom: where?????
02:54 PM pcw_home: Exactly where I said , using a signal as a pin
02:55 PM pcw_home: probably should be:
02:55 PM pcw_home: net encoder_raw_velocity pid.0.feedback
02:55 PM Crom: line 74? encoder_raw_velocity ? it should be encoder.0.velocity ?
02:55 PM pcw_home: net syntax is
02:55 PM pcw_home: net signal pin pin pin ...
02:55 PM pcw_home: a signal is like a wire or wire label
02:56 PM Crom: so pid_feedback isn't needed?
02:57 PM pcw_home: not unless its a different signal
02:58 PM pcw_home: net house-on-fire <= fire-sensor
02:58 PM pcw_home: net house-on-fire => sound-alarm
02:58 PM pcw_home: net house-on-fire => call-fire-dept
02:59 PM jym: net house-on-fire => Grab Marshmellows!
02:59 PM pcw_home: same as
02:59 PM pcw_home: net house-on-fire fire-sensor sound-alarm call-fire-dept
03:01 PM Crom: ok now it's ./cnc3040-800.hal:71: Pin 'gmoccapy.spindle_feedback_bar' does not exist
03:01 PM Crom: I see it in halmeter....
03:02 PM Crom: I see it in halmeter pins
03:07 PM pcw_home: That may have to be in postgui.hal since the pin may only exist after gmoccapy is launched (also out of my area)
03:11 PM Crom: I had to move the entire line to postgui
03:11 PM Crom: net encoder_raw_velocity encoder.0.velocity => motion.spindle-speed-in pid.0.feedback gmoccapy.spindle_feedback_bar
03:15 PM Crom: as well as line net spindle-at-speed => motion.spindle-at-speed gmoccapy.spindle_at_speed_led
03:16 PM Crom: grrr LED is not going red
03:18 PM Crom: gmmoccapy spindle feedback bar is working, linuxcnc PID is sorta working....
04:00 PM DrippityDrops: anyone got cnc lathe with crossing drilling/tapping?
04:01 PM DrippityDrops: crossdrilling/tapping*
04:25 PM Crom: ok neighbor's faucet in the kitchen sink is swapped out... and put the sheetrock cut out from replacing the shower valve is back in the wall
04:26 PM Crom: right around an hour flat... I impressed myself.. oh and put the insulation on the dishwasher the installer forgot...
04:42 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
04:58 PM Deejay: gn8
05:15 PM R2E4_bevins: wooohoo, I got remap in pure python to do what I want...... I cant use any elaborate classes or schemes cause I cant get the interpreter to behave, but with one big main program it works using self.execute(gcode)t
05:16 PM R2E4_bevins: You cant call a function within a function cause it will spit at you.
05:16 PM zeeshan: nice dude
05:16 PM zeeshan: ill need to learn to do that when i get my lathe running sometime :P
05:19 PM R2E4_bevins: Guys are doing it all the time with o-word awkward subs, pure python is tricky.You cant apporach it with object oriented scheme cause you will hate life. The interpreter is a stubborn b^*#h. It will just ignore you without any message or errors.
05:20 PM R2E4_bevins: If it doesnt like what your doing, it dont care, it will just ignore you and continue on.
05:23 PM zeeshan: lol
05:23 PM zeeshan: that sounds painful
05:23 PM zeeshan: for debugging purposes
05:23 PM zeeshan: it sounds like when i was tr ying to write a custom driver to communicate with my vfd
05:24 PM zeeshan: it did not get a BCC hex string at the end of the message
05:24 PM zeeshan: so it ignored me.
05:24 PM zeeshan: for a full day i was trying to figure out what was wrong :)
05:45 PM sync_: is your lathe running yet? :P
05:48 PM R2E4_bevins: yeah but the bitch is the interpreter just ignores you. So you have to figure out why. that was the hardest part. Now I have it under control.
05:56 PM JT-Shop: hmm I got a euro to usa adapter with my fpv goggles in case I visit europe and want to fly the drone
06:17 PM XXCoder: Crom: yo
06:17 PM Crom: yah?
06:18 PM XXCoder: skunkworks: why is your cnc flooded? EDM?
06:18 PM Crom: just sent an email to the developers email for linuxcnc about this page http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Closed_Loop_Spindle_Speed_Control
06:18 PM Crom: oh yeah I msg'd you about something
06:19 PM XXCoder: looking
06:19 PM XXCoder: ya tag names magnet
06:19 PM XXCoder: I ordered 20 magnets from banggood, sized to barely fit inside fins at inside wall
06:19 PM XXCoder: so it will be facing outwards and pretty tight
06:21 PM Crom: I took fan off... epoxied the magets into the lagging corner with some polarity which would trick hall effect
06:21 PM Crom: s/somoe/same/
06:21 PM XXCoder: trick heh
06:21 PM XXCoder: trigger?
06:21 PM Crom: trip
06:21 PM XXCoder: dont worry machines can be fooled ;)
06:23 PM Crom: now with the pid on linux sort of working... on to the next fiasco
06:25 PM Crom: oh thats it! encoder.0.counts needs to be reset on any speed change use 'S' so PID starts with new data
06:26 PM XXCoder: hmm yeah it'd need a reset so it changes faster
06:28 PM Crom: well encoder has a reset counts on index... I'm not running an index. I'd be resetting ever magnet
06:30 PM Crom: every
06:30 PM Crom: every 1/3 of a rev
06:34 PM Crom: trying it now
06:34 PM skunkworks: XXCoder, sinker edm. Pump working.. Now we just have to figure out if the edm part of the edm works. ;)
06:34 PM XXCoder: :)
06:34 PM XXCoder: if not, its a nice fish tank ;)
06:35 PM skunkworks: http://electronicsam.com/images/matsuura/20170409_175610.jpg
06:37 PM Crom: s2000 rpms hold at 5000ish
06:37 PM Crom: s5000 speed holds at 5000rpm, s6000-s10000 rpm is spot on
06:43 PM XXCoder: hmm thats odd
07:08 PM Crom: SWEET! tweaked it a bit... S1000 holds 1000rpm spot on, 72mm/m just did a 1mm doc using a 4mm endmill into delrin
07:11 PM XXCoder: wonder how low you can go lol s100
07:11 PM XXCoder: s1 worked on machine at work, rotated so slowly lol
07:12 PM XXCoder: nope could not stop it LOL
07:15 PM {HD}: Tonights project is getting my vfd hooked up and dialed in. Its a huanyang so I think it will be easy.
07:15 PM Crom: it would do s200 s1000 is about as slow as you want to go
07:16 PM Crom: just bumped PID to 1,2,2
07:17 PM Crom: trying 4,8,8
07:17 PM XXCoder: I dont think mine can go below 300 rpm or so
07:19 PM Crom: hehh M3S1000 goes from 0 to 11000 5 seconds later drops to 1100ish, s200, jumps to 11000, drops to 2100ish
07:20 PM XXCoder: lol the P is too large I think
07:20 PM XXCoder: you ever seen that PID video?
07:21 PM Crom: S300 is 5 times 465, then 0 rpm, then 5 times 465rpm, then 0 and, just stoped.... 5 seconds later jumps to 11000, falls to 650 or so
07:21 PM Crom: now 500
07:21 PM Crom: no 430 and a zero every once in a while
07:23 PM Crom: just errored something about no urary something or other
07:23 PM Crom: yep s1000 is minimum... about 3 times the torque of s500
07:23 PM XXCoder: Crom: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vqWyramGy8
07:23 PM XXCoder: you'll love it
07:27 PM Crom: Already seen it
07:28 PM XXCoder: lol ok
07:31 PM Crom: All the PID stuff I see is for inertial or fluid level control... Motor is a bit different... if the feed rate is high, and you hit something really hard, it'll slow down really fast, you need to add a shit load of power to it. but if it's just sitting there spinning in ari, you ddon't want it to jump to 10000 and take 20 seconds to come back to 1000
07:35 PM Crom: if rpm goes from 1000 to 10, add 12000 to output. if it goes 1000 to 999 add 1 to output.... so Integral has to be pretty high. D probably can be lower.
07:44 PM XXCoder: from what I see pid can have very different values depending on application
07:44 PM XXCoder: some overshoots is fine, some overshoot = something releases magic smoke
07:45 PM XXCoder: http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?id=3668 love that one.
07:52 PM XXCoder: hmm
07:53 PM XXCoder: I wonder if there is a way to get linuxcnc to give estamated runtime?
07:53 PM JT-Shop: from the axis menu you can get the sum of all the moves
07:54 PM XXCoder: where?
07:54 PM JT-Shop: the axis menu
07:55 PM JT-Shop: properties iirc
07:55 PM XXCoder: feed distance 90864mm rapid 86k
07:55 PM XXCoder: 123.1 minutes
07:55 PM XXCoder: thanks
07:56 PM JT-Shop: np
07:56 PM XXCoder: pretty long run
07:57 PM XXCoder: my virtual machine is busy.
07:57 PM JT-Shop: that does not take into account accel/decel and blending
07:57 PM JT-Shop: just a raw sum of the moves
07:57 PM XXCoder: yeah close enough really
08:06 PM XXCoder: oh yeah archivist remember that tiny lathe thingy? I'd have recommanded that to that stupid lathe guy lol
08:07 PM SpeedEvil: http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/attachments/f19/39463d1319550483-manson-miniature-monarch-looking-lathe-sale-manson-2.jpg
08:08 PM XXCoder: that is actually bigger than one I saw lol
08:08 PM XXCoder: mostly taller
08:08 PM XXCoder: and far more heavier and better
08:09 PM SpeedEvil: :)
08:09 PM XXCoder: http://www.banggood.com/DC-24V-Mini-Lathe-Beads-Machine-Polish-Woodworking-DIY-Tools-80-100W-p-1121255.html
08:09 PM XXCoder: 37 bucks
08:09 PM XXCoder: let me tell ya im kinda tempted LOL
08:09 PM XXCoder: hey it was orginially 40 bucks (sale price) so its even lower now
08:10 PM SpeedEvil: I need to watch that banggood engraver conversion by myfordboy
08:10 PM XXCoder: watch it, very good
08:10 PM XXCoder: machine has fewer and fewer orginial parts LOL
08:10 PM SpeedEvil: :)
08:10 PM gregcnc: Crom did you get the spindle tuned?
08:11 PM SpeedEvil: 'and here is the final state of the banggood engraver, taking a 1" deep pass with a 12" facemill in HSS at 40 inches per minute'
08:11 PM SpeedEvil: It now weighs 16 tons
08:19 PM XXCoder: it cut brass
08:19 PM XXCoder: so its getting tpo alum, think thats his plan at end
08:28 PM XXCoder: 37 bucks cheap enough to why not buy it lopl
08:29 PM {HD}: Who handles DOCs? The DOC labeled "Documentation_es" is just another english document...
08:35 PM JT-Shop: the spanish docs were being translated but the person stopped
08:35 PM JT-Shop: I work on the English docs only
08:36 PM JT-Shop: IMHO the spanish docs should be deleted as most are not translated and those that are translated are out of date
08:52 PM DrippityDrops: anyone used upwork.com before?
08:54 PM XXCoder: whats it
08:55 PM DrippityDrops: job and contract work sourcing
08:55 PM DrippityDrops: mostly one off project stuff but looks like it could lead to some serious jobs
08:56 PM DrippityDrops: looks like this guy would pay top dollar for the right candidate
08:56 PM DrippityDrops: "We need direction and training on a Mazak Integrex 5 axis machine"
08:57 PM malcom2073: That sounds like every advert ever
08:57 PM Crom: trying to tune... also to sew a pair of pants to gether
08:59 PM DrippityDrops: example https://www.upwork.com/job/Automated-sorting-system_~019594c65cd1188bc6/
08:59 PM DrippityDrops: not my cup of tea, but maybe someone else
08:59 PM XXCoder: "flash designers"
08:59 PM XXCoder: lol there is still people using that?
09:00 PM Crom: I am so loving these jmc-motor.com steppers... they have been on ALL day and they are a scalding hot 15 degree F above ambiant
09:00 PM Crom: 88f and cable chain is 73 f
09:03 PM Crom: PID 4,8,4 s500 has a 120rpm swing.. almost enough torque
09:03 PM Crom: mt
09:03 PM Crom: m5
09:03 PM Crom: oops
09:05 PM Crom: going from s1000 to s2000 spindle stops... m5; m3s4000 works find mt; m3s2000 as well
09:05 PM Crom: m5; m3s400; s200 also works
09:05 PM Crom: s2000
09:07 PM Crom: hmmm s12000 to s8000 it drops to 7500rpm then goes back up
09:07 PM XXCoder: p too big?
09:07 PM {HD}: too much p
09:08 PM Crom: yeah let me try 2,8,4
09:11 PM Crom: 2,20,2 is interesting
09:21 PM Crom: 5,50,10
09:23 PM gregcnc: Strange my lathe is 50,0,0 and seemed to work fine when I was testing it, it hasn't cut anything yet
09:25 PM Crom: nope it don't like that
09:31 PM Crom: trying 3,9,3
09:32 PM Crom: s300 is 0 to 800 to 0 1/4 sec then 0 - 800 - 0
09:33 PM Crom: S1000; s12000 no likey
09:33 PM Crom: m5; m3s12000 no likey either
09:34 PM XXCoder: I checked picture to engrave functuon
09:34 PM XXCoder: it has V for 60 to 30 but not less than that
09:34 PM XXCoder: bah
09:39 PM Crom: going with 4,9,3
09:39 PM Crom: going with P4,I9,D3
09:45 PM Crom: https://pastebin.com/nTNLeX0p
09:46 PM XXCoder: 4 9 3 works?
09:50 PM Crom: pretty well
09:51 PM DrippityDrops: if you could have any cnc lathe for your garagewhat would you get?
09:52 PM XXCoder: nah no room lol
09:53 PM {HD}: I don't know anything about machine lathes other than I want one.
09:54 PM DrippityDrops: im thinking most people would want a small hardinge
09:54 PM DrippityDrops: something like that
09:55 PM Crom: any lathe? a decent gear head with a 14" swing...
09:57 PM Crom: my lathe is a plain bearing 1945ish Sheldon war production, leather over head belt 10" 22"ish between centers... I want at least 40
09:57 PM XXCoder: http://www.banggood.com/DC-24V-Mini-Lathe-Beads-Machine-Polish-Woodworking-DIY-Tools-80-100W-p-1121255.html
09:57 PM XXCoder: soon to be my lathe heh
09:58 PM {HD}: XXCoder: what would you use that for?
09:58 PM XXCoder: dunno
09:58 PM chopper79: evening
09:58 PM Crom: hiya chopper
09:58 PM XXCoder: big sale though and I was curious on wood lathe
09:58 PM XXCoder: so why not. just 36 bucks
09:59 PM chopper79: Howdy Crom
09:59 PM Crom: https://pastebin.com/nTNLeX0p PID linuxcnc working pretty good with a 400w dc spindle
10:00 PM XXCoder: {HD}: if add leadscrew on side I bet it can be cnc lol
10:00 PM Crom: decent torque at s2000 did a G1y120F72 s1000
10:00 PM XXCoder: brb
10:00 PM DrippityDrops: i want one of these https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKizLfzz7GM
10:01 PM {HD}: DrippityDrops: Holy Lathe!
10:01 PM DrippityDrops: its just a baby lathe
10:04 PM Crom: pretty swank!
10:04 PM chopper79: sweet Crom
10:05 PM chopper79: I still want a lathe. Saving a bit more money for a decent one
10:05 PM DrippityDrops: chopper79: what size?
10:05 PM DrippityDrops: and kind I guess*
10:06 PM chopper79: 14x40
10:06 PM chopper79: Like a manual one that I will convert later
10:06 PM Crom: I'd even get a grizzly
10:06 PM chopper79: Been looking at them
10:07 PM Crom: heh.. Chopper same exact size I want too.. 14x40
10:07 PM xxcodercnc: back
10:08 PM chopper79: May look for larger, I want to use it for machining ballscrew ends
10:08 PM chopper79: After I anneal them of course
10:08 PM DrippityDrops: chopper79: grinding too?
10:08 PM chopper79: I would make a grind attachment for it
10:08 PM chopper79: easy enough to do
10:09 PM DrippityDrops: collet machine I assume?
10:09 PM chopper79: yes, but then would like to change over for chuck when needed.
10:10 PM DrippityDrops: 3-phase?
10:10 PM chopper79: Been looking at a hardinge tool room lathe.
10:10 PM chopper79: Yes 3 phase
10:10 PM DrippityDrops: exactly my suggestion :)
10:10 PM xxcodercnc: ballend screws some sller4s will mach ine em for you
10:11 PM DrippityDrops: you consider the CHNC?
10:11 PM chopper79: I know but I want to do my own.
10:12 PM chopper79: Helps me make sure the quality is to my standard and keeps me from having minimum purchases also
10:12 PM DrippityDrops: im a really big fan of this conversion, since you dont lose the manual operation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKI2nKFl4OQ
10:13 PM chopper79: that is a big thing for me is keeping with my roots and having manual capabilities.
10:14 PM DrippityDrops: you should probably consider buying one of those and doing a conversion as like a "teach" lathe I think they call them
10:14 PM DrippityDrops: those are really solid machines and have parts scattered all over the US for them
10:14 PM DrippityDrops: they can be about 8,000 for the nice ones
10:14 PM DrippityDrops: which are bigger
10:15 PM xxcodercnc: should do linuxcnc lathe rook when done lol
10:17 PM {HD}: Anyone have a linuxcnc huanyang vfd hookup and control guide? I see a bunch of stuff on the forums but it seems to contradict eachother.
10:19 PM DrippityDrops: {HD}: a model number would probably help alot on that 1
10:19 PM DrippityDrops: I dunno tho
10:20 PM chopper79: Came across this one https://chicago.craigslist.org/nwc/tls/6076724063.html
10:20 PM {HD}: DrippityDrops: Oh, I thought all the HY stuff was the same
10:21 PM DrippityDrops: {HD}: I wouldnt know until I compared
10:22 PM DrippityDrops: Crom: I just hit every craigslist page in the US with a search with this program I made, I used to use it alot and just tried it.... welp lol CL blocked me
10:22 PM DrippityDrops: hahaha
10:23 PM DrippityDrops: chopper79: err^^^^ that was for you
10:23 PM DrippityDrops: wth
10:23 PM chopper79: lol
10:23 PM DrippityDrops: This IP has been automatically blocked. If you have questions, please email: blocks-b1491791
10:23 PM DrippityDrops: lol
10:24 PM chopper79: Good job
10:24 PM DrippityDrops: thats like all of my county I bet
10:24 PM DrippityDrops: cause NAT
10:24 PM DrippityDrops: I dunno how it works but I bet lots of people cant connect now lol
10:25 PM {HD}: DrippityDrops: lol. I have the same problem. Someone gets my ip range blocked pretty frequently but it resets after a few days.
10:25 PM Crom: how about yazuka?
10:25 PM roycroft: i'm glad i have my own address space and control over my network
10:26 PM DrippityDrops: im glad I did this before I got my static ip
10:26 PM DrippityDrops: hahaha
10:27 PM {HD}: I use a VPN so lots of people in my block. I could always bypass vpn if I really NEEDed CL.
10:27 PM DrippityDrops: I thought about converting one of these to cnc just for a small precision machine http://www.ebay.com/itm/HARDINGE-Lensmaster-II-Super-Precision-Optical-Lathe-Radius-Turning-Attachment-/311255735835
10:29 PM roycroft: i have a vpn so i can watch the bbc iplayer
10:29 PM roycroft: but i'm generally not blocked from things
10:29 PM roycroft: and when i am from home i can usually vpn to work and do what i need to do from there
10:30 PM {HD}: VPNs are great. My phone is VPNed to my network all the time. Then I don't need to make any of my servers public.
10:33 PM roycroft: i have a cisco asa 5505 at home and at my work data center
10:33 PM roycroft: so it's easy to vpn either way
10:34 PM roycroft: i can be anywhere and be at home or at work if i want :)
10:34 PM chopper79: I have to wait until everybody spends their tax returns. Then the prices of used lathes will go back down.
10:34 PM {HD}: I run pfSense and have been happy with it. I am not super fimilar with networking stuff though...
10:35 PM {HD}: chopper79: That is a good point! I should post my Motorcycle now while people have the $$$!
10:35 PM {HD}: I am selling my KLR650
10:35 PM roycroft: yeah, i have some tools to sell
10:35 PM chopper79: I would
10:35 PM roycroft: i've been waiting until my garage is tidied up enough to easily be able to take pictures and stuff
10:35 PM roycroft: and to keep things organized
10:36 PM roycroft: i'm pretty much there now - i should push to get the stuff posted on cl
10:36 PM roycroft: and ebay
10:36 PM roycroft: i also have a vw bus to sell
10:36 PM chopper79: Do it.... I am doing the same thing. Getting all the misc stuff out of storage and what not.
10:36 PM roycroft: and the ground is almost dry enough for me to winch it out of where it's living
10:36 PM {HD}: I will make that a project to do tmrw...Maybe Ill take some sunset pictures of it to make it look pretty.
10:37 PM {HD}: Anyone here bought a shipping container before? I am looking at one as a storage unit.
10:37 PM roycroft: i just spent $3k getting the engine replaced in the car i just bought last october and on which i'm making payments
10:37 PM chopper79: haha
10:37 PM roycroft: so i need to recover cash really fast
10:37 PM roycroft: i haven't bought one personally, but i bought one for work last year
10:37 PM roycroft: 40' container for $2.5k, delivered
10:37 PM {HD}: roycroft: You have one?
10:37 PM roycroft: work
10:38 PM roycroft: i have thought about buying one to use as a shop though
10:38 PM {HD}: roycroft: I can get a 40' high cube *cargo worthy* in my area delivered for 1.8k
10:38 PM roycroft: a 40' container would fit a milling machine, a lathe, a band saw, and a bunch of metal stock easily
10:38 PM {HD}: But, I am concerned with venting/condinsation/insulation...ect...
10:39 PM chopper79: I should by ysome 25mm rails and a large block of cast iron and machine my own lathe body.
10:39 PM roycroft: i'm using it to store about $300k worth of fiber optic cable
10:39 PM roycroft: i haven't had to worry about that stuff
10:39 PM roycroft: just keeping the heavy rain and, more importantly, the uv off of it
10:39 PM roycroft: and keeping the spools from rotting out before we install the fiber
10:40 PM xxcodercnc: about to make a project heh
10:40 PM {HD}: roycroft: What did you put the container on top of?
10:40 PM xxcodercnc: my njephew wanted MWO logo in wood engrave. why not.
10:40 PM Crom: ahole boss, bought 2 40' containers (9.5' tall ones) had them shorted to 30'. We setup on pads I laid and poured (off by 1/4" on one conner dang it) It was just far enough a part to install a car port on top of them and between. 20' roof at peak
10:40 PM {HD}: xxcodercnc: microwave oven?
10:40 PM roycroft: we laid down some railroad ties
10:41 PM roycroft: if i were to buy one to use as a shop i'd probably build a cinder block foundation for it
10:41 PM roycroft: and raise it up a foot or so
10:41 PM DrippityDrops: some guys are just buying the machine table and head, then pouring their own concrete base. Same with lathe, just buy the bed and head then build the rest.
10:42 PM xxcodercnc: {HD}: nah its game with mechs
10:42 PM {HD}: Crom: That sounds cool. I don't have room for that where I want to put mine. I want it close enought to the house I don't have to get the quad out to get stuff.
10:43 PM xxcodercnc: wtf
10:43 PM xxcodercnc: how do I restart gcode?
10:43 PM xxcodercnc: so it starts from top
10:43 PM DrippityDrops: restart?
10:43 PM Crom: I did 6 sq ft pads (2.5' x 2.5') concrete. at grade on the tops. took the bobcat and scraped a hollow ran a drain pipe down the center of each and out into the alley.
10:43 PM DrippityDrops: do while?
10:43 PM DrippityDrops: or like repeat a section?
10:44 PM xxcodercnc: no. literally go back to start
10:44 PM xxcodercnc: ie REstart
10:44 PM DrippityDrops: you cant
10:44 PM DrippityDrops: not that I know of
10:44 PM Crom: xxcodercnc: hit stop. use run from line 1
10:44 PM Wolf_: reload it
10:44 PM {HD}: mach3 had a rewind button
10:44 PM Crom: or reload it
10:44 PM xxcodercnc: hmm looking for run from line 1
10:45 PM Crom: it's in gmoccapt
10:45 PM DrippityDrops: You are just doing the same thing over and over without touching the interface?
10:45 PM xxcodercnc: ah run from selecrted line!
10:45 PM Crom: yeah that
10:46 PM xxcodercnc: also right click "run from this line"
10:46 PM xxcodercnc: doesnt work strangely
10:46 PM DrippityDrops: what command are you rightclicking?
10:46 PM xxcodercnc: g21
10:46 PM DrippityDrops: try a motion command
10:46 PM DrippityDrops: and see if it works
10:47 PM DrippityDrops: I think it omits non motion ones
10:47 PM xxcodercnc: wow mdi g54 g0 x0 y0 dont work
10:48 PM DrippityDrops: we really need a run backwards mod
10:48 PM xxcodercnc: duh override at 0
10:48 PM Crom: wooo new 2.8.0-pre1 out...
10:48 PM xxcodercnc: okay so mdi works, now testing
10:48 PM DrippityDrops: so we can exit a path the way we came in
10:49 PM xxcodercnc: ahh so it was working, but spindle isnt running though
10:49 PM xxcodercnc: checking wiring
10:55 PM xxcodercnc: forgot what spindle stop command is
10:55 PM xxcodercnc: m5?
10:55 PM Tom_itx: yup
10:59 PM {HD}: Are people using linuxcnc for 3d printers?
10:59 PM Tom_itx: yes
11:00 PM xxcodercnc: I know of one in least
11:00 PM {HD}: What are people using to generate 3d priter gcode?
11:00 PM xxcodercnc: teperate stuff is manual because no gcode support for those
11:00 PM xxcodercnc: slicer
11:00 PM xxcodercnc: I use prusa fork of slic3r
11:00 PM Tom_itx: what does pronterface do?
11:00 PM xxcodercnc: I use pronterface as host
11:01 PM Tom_itx: those 2 seem to be the go to tools
11:01 PM Crom: uploads the file to the 3d printer with flow control
11:01 PM {HD}: Ill checkem out
11:04 PM xxcodercnc: some issues with spindle i think one wire is loose
11:05 PM xxcodercnc: that is why im making electric box dammit lol
11:06 PM Crom: I bout a dtdp switch to be able to reverse the spindle
11:06 PM Crom: bought
11:07 PM Tom_itx: i did mine with relays and software
11:07 PM Tom_itx: so i could do things like rigid tapping
11:08 PM {HD}: Thinking about spindle tapping makes me uncomfortable.
11:08 PM {HD}: I don't think my chinese huanyang is designed for it.
11:08 PM Tom_itx: you'd be surprised
11:09 PM xxcodercnc: talking about tapping I tapped your mom
11:09 PM xxcodercnc: :P
11:09 PM xxcodercnc: seriously though dunno
11:10 PM xxcodercnc: I guess it depends on how good spindle speed control is
11:10 PM {HD}: xxcodercnc: I don't know yet. I am still reading about setting it up with linuxcnc.
11:11 PM xxcodercnc: this wood is bit sappy
11:14 PM xxcodercnc: bah hate see tach sensor hang on spindle uselessly lol
11:22 PM Crom: if you had an actual 1000 count encoder... maybe I'd try it.. other wise... thread milling...
11:22 PM xxcodercnc: soon cross of first depth
11:22 PM xxcodercnc: so olong lol
11:23 PM xxcodercnc: 1000 count I wonder how few can get away with for tapping
11:23 PM Crom: probably 20 and an index
11:27 PM xxcodercnc: hmm ok
11:28 PM Crom: hmmmm rigid tapping... If you had a bit of axial play... you could probably use just an A & B.. so 2 or 4
11:29 PM Crom: hiya Rebecca
11:29 PM rebecca: hi Crom
11:29 PM Crom: Got PID using Linuxcnc working...
11:30 PM Crom: no arduino... just a 2n2222 to have the hall effect sensor be able to get pin 10 pulled down.
11:31 PM Crom: https://pastebin.com/nTNLeX0p PID linuxcnc working pretty good with a 400w dc spindle
11:33 PM rebecca: cool
11:34 PM Crom: did you see the rapids using the new stepper
11:34 PM Crom: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzLmrGhpwTs&t=319s
11:37 PM rebecca: that's rather fast
11:38 PM Crom: in the pastebin... the other file the 2 net linescan be moved into the top file if you take out the gmoccapy pins
11:38 PM Crom: rebecca: Nice isn't it... if you're not ready for it , it has scared me... not to mention the table moving
11:40 PM Crom: 1mm doc into delrin at s1000 at 10mm/s at the begininng
11:44 PM rebecca: made anything with it yet?
11:45 PM Crom: nope... next thing is figure out fusion 360...
11:45 PM rebecca: okay
11:46 PM Crom: making cam files for cutting gantry sides
11:49 PM rebecca: for making the bigger CNC?
11:52 PM xxcodercnc: Crom: I figured that 2 wouldnt do, it dont tell direction
11:53 PM Crom: xxcodercnc: actually 2 can tell direction. A and B are like 150 apart
11:53 PM xxcodercnc: ahh yeah suppose 150 degree, ab ab ab or ba ba ba
11:53 PM xxcodercnc: can definitely tell
11:54 PM rebecca: Crom: seen this? https://hackaday.io/project/11583-odrive-high-performance-motor-control
11:54 PM Crom: or loading