#linuxcnc Logs
Apr 06 2017
#linuxcnc Calendar
12:00 AM Crom: Yay! Could not stand unity
12:03 AM Crom: Steppers are in San Bernardino
12:26 AM roycroft: the midnight oil?
12:27 AM roycroft: has the time come to say fair's fair?
12:27 AM roycroft: to pay the rent? to pay our share?
01:17 AM IchGucksLive: Mornig from Germany
01:24 AM DrippityDrops: roycroft: those lyrics reminded me of this, http://artsites.ucsc.edu/GDead/agdl/run.html do you know it?
01:25 AM DrippityDrops: morning ich
01:36 AM Crom: Quassel is nice... I have core running on a laptop and while I'm inthe house i can connect to from any machine including my phones. I can back scroll and not miss anything
03:14 AM Deejay: moin
04:56 AM jthornton: morning
05:19 AM Tom_itx: morning
05:25 AM jthornton: heading to Sylva NC today may not make it all the way lol
05:25 AM Tom_itx: long drive
05:26 AM Tom_itx: i've done Winston Salem / Greensboro in a day but it's no fun
05:27 AM Tom_itx: 19 hrs
05:27 AM Tom_itx: yours doesn't look near that far
05:28 AM jthornton: yea I've done some long drives like Poplar Bluff / Raceland La / Poplar Bluff in one day
05:28 AM jthornton: we prob will stop short due to the predicted snow up there tonight
05:31 AM Tom_itx: jdh, i posted dimensions for you in that same directory in case you can't read them from the file
05:31 AM Tom_itx: also drew it in catia and posted a dxf of it
05:48 AM nos: AAAAAAAh!
05:48 AM nos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HW-UijfEsEA&t=313s
07:19 AM Verity: anyone have george from xzero cnc contact info
07:19 AM Verity: address
07:20 AM Verity: hes in canada
07:40 AM Verity: it seems God may have judged him
07:40 AM Verity: but if hes still alive and the illness hasn't taken him yet, I'd like to collect
08:03 AM gregcnc: xzero was the guy making those fairly sturdy looking router kits?
08:06 AM archivist: look at archive.org for his site
08:07 AM IchGucksLive: hi its cold outside
08:07 AM gregcnc: that's the machine that polysomething ended up with last year
08:09 AM archivist: http://web.archive.org/web/20170109024500/http://xzerocnc.com/
08:10 AM archivist: I got the impression the problem was at the customer end there :)
08:11 AM _methods: right
08:20 AM gregcnc: nice customer service http://mashable.com/2017/04/05/garadget-bad-review-bricked/
08:26 AM archivist: the customer is always right....even when he is wrong
08:27 AM JT-Shop: lol went to install debian livecd on my windblows laptop and the only option it gave was "use entire disk" I don't think so
08:27 AM archivist: quite a few are learning not to abuse customers at last, a hotel over here debited a customer after a bad review, had to grovel and return the cash
08:28 AM JT-Shop: faulty towers?
08:30 AM archivist: no a real one http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-30111525
08:46 AM {HD}: How is Linux CNC's support for smooth stepper?
08:46 AM {HD}: Ethernet.
08:46 AM IchGucksLive: that is a crap BOB
08:46 AM archivist: ethernet to a mesa card is there and working
08:46 AM IchGucksLive: use ethercat
08:47 AM IchGucksLive: 7i80
08:47 AM {HD}: IchGucksLive: i'll look that up.
08:47 AM IchGucksLive: mutch cheeper mutch faster
08:48 AM {HD}: I try just to add a parallel PCI E but I cannot get it to Chooch.
08:50 AM {HD}: Tried to*
08:50 AM IchGucksLive: {HD}: if yopu can use a 7i76E
08:50 AM IchGucksLive: this is a realy good choice
08:50 AM IchGucksLive: all in one ethernet 5Axis
08:51 AM IchGucksLive: https://store.mesanet.com/index.php?route=product/search&search=7i76e
08:52 AM {HD}: Pricey...
08:52 AM IchGucksLive: look what you gert
08:52 AM IchGucksLive: get
08:53 AM IchGucksLive: 48 isolated I/O
08:53 AM IchGucksLive: isolated analog spindle speed control
08:54 AM IchGucksLive: RS-422 interface
08:54 AM IchGucksLive: .....
08:54 AM IchGucksLive: all on one
08:54 AM IchGucksLive: ok im off
08:55 AM IchGucksLive: till 7pm Berlin
08:57 AM JT-Shop: {HD}: smoothstepper is Mach only
08:59 AM {HD}: JT-Shop: guess that rules that out. I would like an option that allows me to use any software I might encounter.
09:01 AM {HD}: I wish my ch382L parallel port worked. That would have been the cheapest route.
09:03 AM JT-Shop: prob not possible anymore to have anything use anything
09:04 AM archivist: smoothsteppr is a crutch for mach to use windoes
09:10 AM jthornton: see you guys Tuesday
09:11 AM {HD}: I guess I could try to sniff out linux drivers for my parallel port. LinuxCNC doesnt like it.
09:12 AM jdh: pci? pcie?
09:12 AM {HD}: Pcie
09:13 AM {HD}: Its got a wch ch382l chip
09:13 AM archivist: we had a user a few months ago fight with one of those
09:14 AM {HD}: archivist: did he win?
09:16 AM archivist: we have a few shes as well
09:16 AM jdh: I see reports of it not working
09:17 AM archivist: once the OS sees it iirc it works
09:17 AM jdh: OXPCIe952 in a startech PEX1P is supposed to work
09:18 AM jdh: $25ish
09:40 AM R2E4_bevins_2: cradek: You there?
09:47 AM JT-Shop: see you guys Tuesday
10:20 AM Tom_itx: jdh, i posted dimensions for you in that same directory in case you can't read them from the file
10:20 AM Tom_itx: in case you missed it earlier
10:21 AM Tom_itx: also posted a dxf i drew in catia
10:30 AM Simoniou1 is now known as Simonious
10:36 AM jdh: Tom: thanks! I'll try to cut one tomorrow
11:13 AM CaptHindsight: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Hurco-BMC-4020-CNC-Machining-Center-for-Parts-Ulitmax-SSM-CNC-Control/252835503857 $500 might be a good project machine
11:14 AM TekniQue_ is now known as TekniQu
11:14 AM TekniQu is now known as TekniQue
11:16 AM archivist: hmm shipping is a bit of a problem 15,000 LBS and wrong continent
11:19 AM CaptHindsight: archivist: you would need a second shed for it
11:19 AM pcw_home: NIce surprise, old customer just did an audit and found they owe us $5700 in licence fees
11:20 AM pcw_home: (we would never have known if they didn't tell use)
11:20 AM archivist: CaptHindsight, you mean a third :)
11:21 AM archivist: add phone home, and break things
11:25 AM archivist: M$ did that to their SQL server, it called home during full text queries, so non net connected ones would delay to net timeout
11:27 AM DrippityDrops: pcw_home: nice! mini vacation for pcw
11:28 AM DrippityDrops: Anyone know of a good supplier for metric hexagon barstock in, brass/ al , steel
11:30 AM skunkworks: CaptHindsight, can't show dad that...
11:31 AM skunkworks: ;)
11:32 AM CaptHindsight: skunkworks: saw a #2 Cincinnati for $1500 near the Dells
11:32 AM CaptHindsight: http://www.ebay.com/itm/192085731650
11:32 AM skunkworks: (although he reads the irc - Hi dad!)
11:33 AM CaptHindsight: heh
11:33 AM skunkworks: not buying any manual mills any time soon
11:33 AM archivist: lot of iron in that cincinnati
11:35 AM CaptHindsight: too big to just be used as a drill press like my Bridgeport
11:41 AM CaptHindsight: I might go look at that Hurco
11:41 AM CaptHindsight: see if it just needs the spindle drive or a new spindle
11:44 AM CaptHindsight: gregcnc: http://www.ebay.com/itm/HARDINGE-SUPER-PRECISION-TOOL-ROOM-LATHE-HLVH-MINIMAL-USE-HOBBY-LATHE/222463288659
11:46 AM gregcnc: should sell at a fair price with all that work required just to move it
11:47 AM gregcnc: then again it's in great shape
11:53 AM CaptHindsight: gregcnc: as long as this is not his stairway http://www.stairwayshop.com/media/catalog/category/private-label-spiral-cat5.jpg
12:19 PM IchGucksLive: hi
12:25 PM CaptHindsight: LinuxCNC HAL Simplified https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIOVIyWpIDI
12:27 PM CaptHindsight: audio is not the best
12:37 PM CaptHindsight: IchGucksLive: was just watching your video on HAL as well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzfMOMhFmNM
12:38 PM IchGucksLive: i will make a new one
12:39 PM IchGucksLive: let me complete a emblem to be milkled firsat as CAD
12:41 PM FinboySlick: But who is this Rob Anonymous?
12:42 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tst_1oCuWqw Air Bearing Flycutter "chronok you shouldn't wipe with your hand after stoning, I think you're confusing precision flycutting with a bodily function..."
12:56 PM IchGucksLive: QUESTION WHY did someone delete the simlpple Gcode Generators
12:56 PM IchGucksLive: aspecial the airfoil FOAM Generator
12:56 PM IchGucksLive: people where asking
12:57 PM IchGucksLive: where to find
12:58 PM archivist: is this too obvious http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Simple_LinuxCNC_G-Code_Generators
12:59 PM IchGucksLive: someone did all in one
12:59 PM IchGucksLive: on his own need
12:59 PM archivist: google found it instantly
12:59 PM IchGucksLive: foam is not inside
12:59 PM archivist: so ask person
01:01 PM archivist: you know it is a wiki so you can see history http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?action=history&id=Simple_LinuxCNC_G-Code_Generators
01:06 PM Jymmm: WTH? why would someone REMOVE the content and move to github?
01:06 PM IchGucksLive: HERE is the NEW mill Emblem just calculated http://heimwerkermarkt-tretter.de/em_c.jpg
01:06 PM IchGucksLive: camotics SIM
01:07 PM IchGucksLive: someone shoud ask this people
01:09 PM Crom: http://foengarage.de/airfoil_generator_2012.zip
01:10 PM linuxthefish: hey, what software do you guys use for designing stuff and generating g-code if needed?
01:11 PM IchGucksLive: http://heimwerkermarkt-tretter.de/airfoil.zip
01:11 PM IchGucksLive: THIS is the newone With AXIS inside as from 2.7.x
01:11 PM IchGucksLive: linuxthefish: depends on contour
01:12 PM linuxthefish: ah i've been trying freecad for linux and that seems to work well
01:13 PM IchGucksLive: CaptHindsight: the first one Video you anounced is not from ME
01:13 PM IchGucksLive: CaptHindsight: the second one is in clear German
01:14 PM IchGucksLive: linuxthefish: Qcad for 2D
01:14 PM IchGucksLive: also free to use
01:14 PM IchGucksLive: gives you good DXF
01:15 PM IchGucksLive: Incscape for transicion IMG
01:15 PM linuxthefish: thanks IchGucksLive, i'll check Qcad and inkscape out!
01:16 PM IchGucksLive: linuxthefish: my channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCmwhCL92ZQRSVqFe3jGwJSQ
01:17 PM enleth: linuxthefish: F360. you gotta do what you gotta do.
01:17 PM clownshoes is now known as insomnia
01:17 PM IchGucksLive: Fusion360 enleth
01:19 PM enleth: yep
01:20 PM CaptHindsight: http://www.ebay.com/itm/262911662777 FOWLER 54-575-600 0.200'' ELECTRONIC EDGE FINDER, I think it's a Chiaco copy
01:21 PM CaptHindsight: typos on the label and a photocopy instruction manual
01:21 PM FinboySlick: Pff, those are totally useless.... When your machine is as out of tram as mine.
01:27 PM IchGucksLive: FinboySlick: more tuning needed
01:28 PM IchGucksLive: linuxthefish: the new Distro will also include the DXF2Gcode direct into and gmoccapy will have the MILL and lathe Feather ready without any separate action
01:34 PM Roguish: CaptHindsight: that edgefinder is ok. have some. but virtually no compliance in the end. much more than a simple touch and it bends and is ruined.
01:35 PM CaptHindsight: that why I thought as soon as I took it out of the box
01:35 PM Roguish: and MSC sometimes has on sale for about $15
01:35 PM CaptHindsight: will probably send it back
01:36 PM CaptHindsight: I had a another one with a ball and spring on the end
01:36 PM CaptHindsight: but the ball would not center
01:37 PM CaptHindsight: so when you bend it do you rotate the spindle 180 and measure the difference? :)
01:39 PM Roguish: yes
01:41 PM Roguish: I use a job wheel to crawl up to it (or to crawl it to the part) by the .001
01:44 PM sync_: I'd rather use a wobbly edge finder when
01:44 PM sync_: they always work
01:47 PM CaptHindsight: yeah I have the wobblers as well
01:47 PM skunkworks: Touch probe is so much nicer ;)
01:48 PM CaptHindsight: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/06/Electronic_edge_finder.jpg these were never accurate for me
01:49 PM sync_: idk who invented them, those are basically useless
01:49 PM sync_: or rather why somebody invented them
01:51 PM CaptHindsight: well maybe $20 x 10,000 = $2m with 50% profit
01:51 PM IchGucksLive: Jymmm: will soomeone interact on that problem on wiki help pages
01:51 PM IchGucksLive: or do i need to make this myself
01:52 PM IchGucksLive: I7: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCmwhCL92ZQRSVqFe3jGwJSQ
02:00 PM linuxthefish: the mechanical edge finders are useful, but the electronic ones with LED's in always break for me after a while...
02:07 PM _methods: the electronic edge finders are especially handy on machines where you can't open the doors because of interlock or if you're working on the far side of a tombstone and you can't easily see a normal edgefinder
03:10 PM Crom: linuxthefish: What ever I can find that does the job quick. HeeksCAD, inkscape, fusion 360, ...
03:13 PM I7_ is now known as I7
03:18 PM Crom: hmmm they look hackable for 10 bucks I could get a http://www.ebay.com/itm/Led-Beep-Touch-Point-Sensor-Precision-Electronic-Edge-Finder-CNC-Machine-Milling-/282100482426
03:20 PM Crom: drill a hole for power, use a light sensor to read the LED. I could hard wire it into the machine and be able to read it with LCNC
04:06 PM Crom: 2x N cells == AA in length and diameter. Hmm take a piece of hard wood. turn it, drill a hole in the tip for a #10 brass screw , cross drill a hole through the shaft up by the head to take the + wire, groove the side for the pos and neg wire. hmm neg could be just some brass spring pushing to the sides or over the back. or both. Heavy spring to push the pos tip out and lock the pos wire. Neg end hmmm
04:13 PM Crom: also a basis for a touch probe. using o-rings for springs and insulators
04:16 PM XXCoder: holy crap
04:16 PM XXCoder: ubuntu unity is dead
04:30 PM Simonious: I'm trying to mock up a representation of a little circuit board in SolidWorks - how do I position surface mount components on a blank board? I know how to mate surfaces, but I don't know how to mate with a sketch on a face.
04:41 PM Deejay: gn8
04:59 PM Wolf_: I would do a extrude of the traces/pads just enough to make them usable as mate
04:59 PM Wolf_: like 0.01mm or something
05:00 PM Simonious: I actually am having good luck - I put a sketch on the surface with lower left corners for each part (all are rectangular) and I'm mating to the surface and to each line and it's working intuitively. For me it's rare for intuition to match how Solidworks does something, so this is a nice change.
05:00 PM Wolf_: I’m pro at almost doing things correctly in SW lol
05:02 PM Tom_itx: Simonious what did you draw the board in?
05:02 PM Simonious: Solidworks
05:02 PM Tom_itx: google eagle 3d
05:02 PM Tom_itx: it does that
05:03 PM Wolf_: or diptrace
05:03 PM Simonious: oh.. right, no, this is just a mock up
05:03 PM Simonious: http://www.banggood.com/XL6009-Step-Up-Boost-Voltage-Power-Supply-Module-Converter-Regulator-p-916222.html?rmmds=search of this thing
05:03 PM Simonious: and not even a complete one
05:04 PM Tom_itx: you can't build one of those for what you can buy one for you know?
05:04 PM Simonious: I know
05:04 PM Simonious: I'm not building it
05:04 PM Tom_itx: parts are ~10 bucks
05:04 PM Simonious: I'm just building the mockup to place in other things
05:05 PM Tom_itx: i've made a few
05:05 PM Simonious: It'll actually go live in KiCAD once I'm done with it
05:05 PM Tom_itx: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/misc_stuff/5v_switcher.jpg
05:05 PM Tom_itx is now known as Tom_L
05:08 PM Simonious: well hell that's 3/4s of what I'm doing now
05:08 PM Tom_L: but i get mine from china for a couple bucks now
05:10 PM Simonious: likewise
05:11 PM robi is now known as Crom
05:12 PM Crom: https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipM7Mfxfj4xD5RjhZ4F8oc1R8dxVP7-DQvqd7KTCZnc_pZYkzv_MAWwxYLaD2yTr2A/photo/AF1QipMq-RBeItzzG3dssdNfYCYL4tNoln8rSWwhTCkt?key=eVo3U1F2V3piQVZPRDdDeWRVTzNUdnZPXzF1NDVR
05:12 PM Crom: idea for turning a ebay electronic edge finder into a touch probe
05:21 PM Crom: hmmm instead of flat bottom hole. Use drill and probe hole is no longer blind. use a flat disk in the bottom for contact
05:26 PM Crom: https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipM7Mfxfj4xD5RjhZ4F8oc1R8dxVP7-DQvqd7KTCZnc_pZYkzv_MAWwxYLaD2yTr2A/photo/AF1QipOpG97X2oikwKuvCJRLDKRPPkhxZbOV0vldRYJN?key=eVo3U1F2V3piQVZPRDdDeWRVTzNUdnZPXzF1NDVR
05:51 PM Crom: oh that was funny... hurry now, $2600 loan.. easy payments.. only 189% annual percentage rate!
05:53 PM Crom: I would think that touch probe would be fairly repeatable.
05:56 PM Crom: it would be kinda crappy on angles though....
06:08 PM Simonious: what is the hotkey to reverse a mate in solidworks... looking
06:08 PM andypugh: Ctrl-Z ?
06:09 PM Simonious: not undo.. but instead of sticking the part onto the face backwards, mating it to the surface
06:09 PM Simonious: flip the mate, so it's reflected about the mate line
06:10 PM andypugh: It’\s a button in the dialog in Inventor.
06:25 PM Crom: hmmm 800 steps per turn of a 12/4 lead screw is 0.000196" 1600 (1/8step) is 0.000098" almost a ten thousandst
06:26 PM Crom: I think I can live with a 2/10th resolution
06:34 PM Crom: at 800 1 step is 0.005mm or 0.000196, 5steps is 0.000980" 6 steps is 0.001176 what's 1000 steps look like 1 step is 0.004mm or 0.000157", 6 steps is 0.000942" and 7 steps is 0.001.099"
06:36 PM Crom: 2.5us is 0.0000025 seconds right?
06:39 PM Crom: I'm getting at 8333hz 33mm/s at 1000steps per rev using a 12/4 4mm per rev lead screw)
06:42 PM Crom: That's almost 2 meters a minute not fast but better than I'm getting now. If I could only get 200000hz 800mm/s 48metre/minute
06:46 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
06:54 PM Crom: heh... 370mm in .4625 of a second heh.. stepper is not going to do 12000rpm
07:01 PM Crom: 1500rpm == 6meter a minute == 100mm/s == 25,000hz NOW I have something to aim for! need to get a step generator machine that can handle 25khz
07:04 PM sync_: use a leadscrew with a coarser thread
07:04 PM sync_: there is no real reason to use that low of a pitch
07:04 PM sync_: 10mm is fine
07:06 PM Crom: 4mm per rev is stock... no money at the moment to redo
07:09 PM JT-Mobile: what's up?
07:10 PM Crom: sheeshz SFU1210 for 410mm is $150
07:14 PM Crom: SFU1610 is alot better $54.64
07:22 PM Crom: but still out of my budget
07:40 PM MacGalempsy: good afternoon
07:40 PM Crom: g'day!
07:41 PM MacGalempsy: you makin chips Crom?
07:41 PM Crom: tomorrow... steppers are on the truck tomorrow
07:42 PM MacGalempsy: sounds fun
07:42 PM Crom: they can do 1500rpm... which takes a 25khz step gen. computer it's hooked up to does 8333hz
07:43 PM SpeedEvil: Crom: https://i.ytimg.com/vi/KNlke1D87D8/maxresdefault.jpg
07:44 PM Crom: nice lincoln!
07:45 PM Crom: so 33mm/s possible max
07:47 PM Crom: getting air like that is SO hard on hydraulics... Not to mention the frame and body... I've seen friends cars come back from comps with subframes ripped out of the car... Hoses popped like balloons oil everywhere! bent rims, blown tires
07:56 PM Crom: sheeshz... college students are asked the question: What happens to the male calfs in dairy operations. NOT ONE Knew the answer. Schools are crap today! Answer: They become veal, rennet, gloves, ...
07:57 PM jdh: why would tehy ask that? and why would they be expected to know?
07:57 PM SpeedEvil: Also, it depends on the dairy operation, and where you are.
07:58 PM Crom: You really should know where your food comes from and goes through.
07:59 PM jdh: and you should make sure schools teach that?
07:59 PM Crom: hell yeah...
08:00 PM jdh: sure. dairy farm operations 101 would be a great class in inner city chicago schools.
08:00 PM Crom: Sinclair the Jungle... good read!
08:00 PM tiwake: Crom: I grew up on a dairy farm, so I know first hand :P
08:01 PM tiwake: get a cow (male) raise it for a couple years, lay out in the sun with it, then sometime later shoot it in the head and make hamburger
08:01 PM Crom: tiwake: I like my cheese too.... Loved the going to friends house once a year to cull the chickens and calfs.
08:02 PM tiwake: Crom: tillamook oregon
08:02 PM Crom: I would have loved one of those rubber finger in the barrel defeathers
08:02 PM sync_: I always wonder why people do it like that Crom, spend all the time modifying thier shit but not actually engineering it to stand up to the abuse
08:02 PM MacGalempsy: 623ft left to drill!
08:02 PM tiwake: home of USA's third largest dairy producing company
08:02 PM MacGalempsy: only drilling 38ft/hr
08:03 PM MacGalempsy: tiwake is the cheese still cheaper at fred meyers than at the tillimook store?
08:03 PM Crom: sync_: we had the boiling water and a stump to sit on while plucking the birds...
08:04 PM tiwake: MacGalempsy: the tillamook factory store thing? thats just to catch tourists who are generally willing to pay more for the same thing
08:05 PM Crom: MacGalempsy: Wilson Winery... It's cheaper to buy thier wine at Stator Borthers, then you buy it at the winery
08:05 PM tiwake: larger factories are like tha
08:05 PM tiwake: that
08:05 PM Crom: south coast, bailey... lots of them...
08:05 PM MacGalempsy: lol. we stopped by there once and laughed before walking out (grandparents lived in Florence)
08:06 PM sync_: Crom: I mean the cars
08:06 PM MacGalempsy: the dairy in livingston ca has a cool factory store, but not too overpriced
08:06 PM Crom: I have my wife buy a 5# block of sharp or jack once a month and much prefer tillamook
08:07 PM tiwake: tillamook cheese is very well made, I know because I know the process rather well, and the quality of the ingredients that go into it :P
08:07 PM Crom: sync_: cuz they're infected with the ID 10 Tee Virus...
08:07 PM tiwake: as a machinist in the area, I made a lot of parts for the cheese factory in the past
08:08 PM MacGalempsy: here in central ok there are a few small dairies that sell their cheese. last on i had was Christian Brothers: Carolina Reaper Cheddar
08:08 PM MacGalempsy: it was pretty danf spicey
08:08 PM MacGalempsy: *dang
08:10 PM MacGalempsy: JT-Mobile: http://m.ebay.com/itm/132143650518?_mwBanner=1
08:11 PM MacGalempsy: if i was looking for a new place, that would be awesome
08:14 PM jdh: 3-phase 110 powers the facility
08:14 PM MacGalempsy: :)
08:15 PM MacGalempsy: a steal at 250k
08:15 PM Crom: That's a Whiteman facility. Good fishing around Holden
08:16 PM MacGalempsy: i'd consider building a nice house over the escape tunnel and convert the living quarters into a shop
08:17 PM Crom: the RV plug was to the Dodge or Ford pickups with the camper for camping at a missle site when there was work going on
08:17 PM Crom: I'd buy it in a heart beat if I have the money
08:18 PM Crom: The firing range I worked at was next door to Oscar-01 which was on Whiteman AFB
08:20 PM JT-Mobile: MacGalempsy,
08:20 PM MacGalempsy: hey, you like that place?
08:22 PM JT-Mobile: I'm near Maryville TN at the momemt
08:22 PM JT-Mobile: I almost got my Tweaker 5" donde
08:22 PM JT-Mobile: done
08:22 PM MacGalempsy: the facility probably cost tax payers 10 million
08:22 PM Crom: in 1962
08:22 PM MacGalempsy: tweater 5"?
08:23 PM MacGalempsy: tweaker?
08:23 PM MacGalempsy: yeah. maybe remodel the bunker a bit :)
08:23 PM JT-Mobile: shendrones tweaker 5"
08:24 PM JT-Mobile: I also got a Tarot 680 PRO in process of building
08:25 PM JT-Mobile: man I hate driving on I40
08:26 PM JT-Mobile: only 1/4million for the bunker
08:28 PM MacGalempsy: sweet drones. i40 is cruisecontrol territory set and forget at 78mph
08:28 PM JT-Mobile: http://gnipsel.com/images/tweaker-5/Tweaker-5-01.jpg
08:29 PM JT-Mobile: not in eastern TN it's a rat race
08:29 PM MacGalempsy: which fcu is that?
08:29 PM JT-Mobile: seppuku
08:29 PM JT-Mobile: got two of them, one for the tweaker and one for the 680
08:30 PM MacGalempsy: very cool. u decide on the drone OS yet?
08:31 PM JT-Mobile: dronin seems ok so far
08:31 PM Crom: http://www.missilebases.com/communications-bunker-concordia-ks
08:31 PM JT-Mobile: cleanflight seems to be a bit unresponsive on the irc
08:35 PM Crom: Steppers in last facility before they get in the truck for delivery to me. 9:10 am In transit RIALTO, CA
08:35 PM MacGalempsy: so reading more it seems dronin and tau labs are the best ones
08:36 PM MacGalempsy: dronin seemed to be a branch off of tau labs
08:37 PM JT-Mobile: I ordered a X4R SB rx for the tweaker so I could use SBus
08:38 PM MacGalempsy: did you make landing gear for the tweaker?
08:38 PM Crom: hmmm 20mm/s will be a good goal to shoot for. work my up to 33mm/s
08:38 PM JT-Mobile: no, but I'll make a training sticks for initial testing
08:39 PM JT-Mobile: my first heli was a Concept 30 and I made an X with some small wiffle balls on the ends
08:40 PM MacGalempsy: this guy out here has a chinese one and it gets about 1/2 mile out before he loses contact and it cone back
08:41 PM JT-Mobile: so he has a gps on it?
08:43 PM MacGalempsy: yeah. its a prepackaged drone
08:43 PM MacGalempsy: only $400 used
08:43 PM JT-Mobile: ah
08:43 PM MacGalempsy: i think its a phantom 3
08:43 PM JT-Mobile: fpv goggles?
08:43 PM MacGalempsy: no he uses his phone
08:44 PM JT-Mobile: lol
08:44 PM MacGalempsy: i was trying to get him to get the phone goggles from walmart
08:44 PM MacGalempsy: they were on clearance for $10
08:56 PM JT-Mobile: time to call it a night
08:57 PM Crom: still evening here heh
09:29 PM Crom: https://forum.linuxcnc.org/24-hal-components/28745-io-interface-with-arduino-over-ethernet
09:29 PM Crom: anyone look at this/
09:29 PM Crom: ?
09:31 PM MacGalempsy: someone made a pendant with the arduino. i forget who it was
09:34 PM Crom: that's kewl too... US just launched 50 tomahawks at Syrian air base
09:34 PM Crom: not so kewl
09:42 PM Verity: think of the children
09:42 PM Jymmm: looks cool to me... https://img.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp-content/uploads/sites/33/2017/04/tomahawk.jpg
09:42 PM Verity: they cost 1.5 mil each though...
09:43 PM jdh: so, same as a golf outing.
09:44 PM Jymmm: jdh: or a cheeseburger at the whitehouse.
09:45 PM jdh: You ever had a Big Kahuna burger?
09:49 PM Jymmm: nuh uh
09:49 PM Crom: My Pops was part of the Teledyne team that worked on the solid fuel booster for the Tomahawk
09:58 PM Crom: he was QC engineer on the explosive bolts for the shuttle to fuel tank and QC engineer on the linear charges the F-111 used to cut the nose and cockpit off the plane. at Teledyne
10:00 PM MacGalempsy: 133 cruise missles cost the same as obama's trip to india
10:00 PM Verity: thanks, obama
10:00 PM MacGalempsy: i got a coaster for the titan missle project that my granddad worked on at aerojet
10:01 PM Crom: nice! WD-40 was out of the Nike project I think
10:02 PM MacGalempsy: he use to have all these rocket and missle models but i think he got mad at his forced retirement and burt all his research papers and models...
10:03 PM MacGalempsy: i mean the first 4 bipasses didnt stop him, so why retire? the last 8 didnt do it either!
10:15 PM Crom: yeah... its better to let some people work if they want until they die! If their mind is sharp, and the body frail... just point at stephen hawking... 3 more kids with the new wife while in the wheel chair?
10:20 PM Jymmm: Crom: so, you're saying this is hawkings? http://i.imgur.com/0AB6OFps.jpg
10:21 PM Jymmm: Crom: err http://i.imgur.com/0AB6OFp.jpg
10:23 PM Crom: HEHE
10:29 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
10:38 PM Tom_L: mmm, missle strike just launched on Syria
10:43 PM {HD}: Cannot get parallel port PCIe card to work correctly and my screen flickers every 10 seconds or so while using LinuxCNC...
10:43 PM jdh: not all computers are good for this.
10:43 PM CaptHindsight: let the games begin
10:44 PM CaptHindsight: {HD}: new install on new hardware or?
10:45 PM Tom_L: 60 in 1 min
10:45 PM Crom: 50 tomahawks at $1.59MUSD each
10:45 PM DrippityDrops: how does log go again?
10:45 PM DrippityDrops: !log
10:45 PM Tom_L: no ! needed
10:45 PM Tom_L: or index
10:45 PM Tom_L: will get you that
10:45 PM CaptHindsight: log it's log it's fun for a girl or a boy
10:46 PM {HD}: CaptHindsight: New install on an old dell tower with new pcie parallel port card.
10:46 PM DrippityDrops: ah, we had always used ! commands
10:46 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fQGPZTECYs Log
10:46 PM DrippityDrops: I keep forgetting its just :log:
10:46 PM CaptHindsight: my favorite log ^^
10:47 PM DrippityDrops: yeah, it steps right to it
10:47 PM CaptHindsight: {HD}: did you run the Live CD first and see how it works?
10:48 PM CaptHindsight: sometimes the run live vs the install is different
10:48 PM {HD}: CaptHindsight: No, I went stright for the install.
10:48 PM CaptHindsight: I usually test it first so i don't waste my time
10:49 PM {HD}: CaptHindsight: The issue, I think, is just a parallel port card. It shows up lspci as serial so, I was trying to load the drivers that I have for it but could not get them to install.
10:49 PM CaptHindsight: I get surprised by bad BIOS at times. You think that this system should just work since it's the same CPU and chipset as what always has ...
10:50 PM CaptHindsight: and you try a new board and latency is awful
10:50 PM {HD}: What are people doing instead of parallel ports?
10:50 PM DrippityDrops: {HD}: where is your parport located 0x378?
10:51 PM DrippityDrops: depends on your build
10:51 PM {HD}: DrippityDrops: No, it was cc00 or c8fc or something like that.
10:51 PM DrippityDrops: what hardware are you running
10:51 PM jdh: the chipset he has is known to not work
10:51 PM DrippityDrops: yeah I been down that road, you gotta reassign some crap
10:51 PM {HD}: jdh: I read on the forums that the CH382L works...for some...
10:52 PM jdh: oh. I missed those. just the ones that said not.
10:53 PM {HD}: The ones that get it to work have drivers for it that I am/was unable to find.
10:53 PM DrippityDrops: yep thats the chipset I had which I just tossed aside and never messed with again
10:53 PM {HD}: The drivers I pulled from wch.cn did not chooch
10:53 PM DrippityDrops: it showed everything up as serial ports
10:53 PM {HD}: DrippityDrops: What did you go with?
10:53 PM DrippityDrops: I think I got the card I went with out in the jeep brb
10:57 PM DrippityDrops: Im about 95% sure this one worked well for me pci-2s1p
10:57 PM {HD}: DrippityDrops: What chipset?
10:58 PM CaptHindsight: I use the WCH382 all the time
10:58 PM {HD}: CaptHindsight: ... tell me more
10:59 PM DrippityDrops: oxford 952 maybe?
11:00 PM Crom: chooch? another AvE viewer
11:00 PM {HD}: Crom: Everyone should be an AvE viewer. That is my kind of humor...
11:01 PM Crom: so true
11:01 PM CaptHindsight: wtf, somebody took my info down from the wiki
11:01 PM DrippityDrops: ;?
11:01 PM DrippityDrops: :/
11:01 PM * {HD} graps pitchfork!
11:01 PM CaptHindsight: and now there is just this http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?WCH
11:01 PM {HD}: lol grabs*
11:01 PM DrippityDrops: *lights torch
11:02 PM DrippityDrops: :P
11:02 PM {HD}: CaptHindsight: I saw that but, I refuse to give up until I at least load the correct drivers for it.
11:03 PM CaptHindsight: huh it just works for me
11:04 PM {HD}: CaptHindsight: Did you do a apt update or anything? I dont have the nets on that machine
11:04 PM CaptHindsight: ah i see he added this "A version of this card with the CH382L chipset exists, which does not function as a PARALLEL PORT. It is sold as one, looks like one. However, does not show up in Linux as a parallel device. The card functions as a serial translated parallel output. "
11:04 PM CaptHindsight: is this your issue?
11:04 PM DrippityDrops: that was my issue
11:04 PM DrippityDrops: it only showed up as serial for me
11:04 PM {HD}: CaptHindsight: I don't know how to tell it does show up in lspci as serial.
11:04 PM {HD}: But, I have read that is just drivers
11:04 PM {HD}: and in windows it loads as a parallel
11:05 PM CaptHindsight: I don't recall doing anything special
11:06 PM CaptHindsight: i have it in a working system 15 ft from me but it's not powered on and not connected to a monitor
11:06 PM CaptHindsight: give me a few minutes
11:06 PM DrippityDrops: {HD}: I wonder if this isnt the fix, https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1629616
11:07 PM {HD}: DrippityDrops: I have read that article...they talk about drivers that got it to work but don't have a link.
11:08 PM DrippityDrops: insmod parport_pc.ko io=0x*******
11:08 PM DrippityDrops: maybe thats all you need essentially
11:08 PM {HD}: DrippityDrops: Oh, I see that now.
11:08 PM {HD}: DrippityDrops: Ill jot it down and try it out.
11:09 PM {HD}: DrippityDrops: I think it was the last post on that page that confused me because of the install_p file
11:10 PM {HD}: that is nowhere to be found.
11:10 PM DrippityDrops: yeah, like I said, I pretty much gave up on it grabbed the card I mentioned earlier on ebay for like $10
11:11 PM Crom: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?action=browse&diff=1&id=WCH
11:11 PM Crom: DrStein or something
11:12 PM DrippityDrops: honestly im glad he put that there, I think that card has turned more people away from linuxcnc than anything else :P
11:12 PM CaptHindsight: paraport_pc
11:13 PM {HD}: CaptHindsight: Huh?
11:13 PM Crom: I have a SIG dual parallel port card... I have never gotten it to work on anything...
11:14 PM CaptHindsight: oh, it's a Netmos chip on this system
11:15 PM CaptHindsight: I'd have to swap cards
11:15 PM {HD}: I'm walking out to the shop right now.
11:20 PM {HD}: http://i.imgur.com/OfFqMnr.jpg
11:21 PM DrippityDrops: *shrugs* http://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-321722-001-PCI-2S1P-GP-Serial-DB-9-Parallel-DB-25-Adapter-PCI-Interface-Card-/361493147194?hash=item542aabae3a:g:K5cAAOSwUuFWxfq9
11:23 PM CaptHindsight: {HD}: I'll swap cards in a minute and check
11:27 PM {HD}: I did the steps in the Ubuntu forum solved post. Doesn't appear to have worked…
11:29 PM {HD}: And when I try to install the Linux driver I pulled from the manufacturers website it reads "no such device or address "
11:30 PM DrippityDrops: see my previous message^
11:31 PM {HD}: DrippityDrops: I should just buy a new/different card?
11:31 PM DrippityDrops: how much do you work for an hour?
11:31 PM DrippityDrops: have you spent more than an hour on this?
11:32 PM Crom: hmmm wonder if I'm gonna see a tracking entry when they load it into the truck
11:32 PM DrippityDrops: is the price your work for an hour > than the price of that card
11:32 PM DrippityDrops: j/s
11:32 PM Crom: or just when the truck leaves the yard
11:33 PM {HD}: DrippityDrops: Yea, that is one way to look at it. The other is I have this card here now and spending a few hours getting it to work is better than waiting a few days...I have jobs I want to be running...
11:33 PM CaptHindsight: {HD}: looks like you got the goofy version of the card
11:34 PM {HD}: CaptHindsight: Doh! Thats not what I wanted to hear!
11:34 PM * {HD} waves arms around wildly
11:35 PM DrippityDrops: FAST 'N FREE
11:35 PM DrippityDrops: On or before Wed. Apr. 12 LOL
11:35 PM CaptHindsight: https://pci-ids.ucw.cz/read/PC/9710/9805 this is the ID from the proper card
11:35 PM CaptHindsight: but oh crap, now I gotta watch out for what cards I order
11:35 PM CaptHindsight: {HD}: where di you get yours?
11:35 PM CaptHindsight: di/did
11:36 PM {HD}: ebay
11:37 PM {HD}: These are the drivers for the one I bought. I was hoping to be able to load them...somehow... www.winddeal.net/image/tools/D18990.rar
11:37 PM CaptHindsight: the driver is in the kernel
11:37 PM CaptHindsight: for the proper version of the card
11:37 PM CaptHindsight: what does your chip say on it?
11:38 PM {HD}: WCH CH382L ... IIRC
11:38 PM Crom: http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-25-pin-PCI-E-Express-Parallel-LPT-printer-Card-Moschip-9901-Support-64bit-/121928279663
11:38 PM Crom: < $10USD
11:39 PM {HD}: Crom: But, will that one %100 sure work?
11:39 PM CaptHindsight: Moschip 9901
11:39 PM CaptHindsight: ah hah
11:39 PM Crom: all the forums says it does
11:39 PM CaptHindsight: PCI vendor 1c00 is not a good PCI ID
11:40 PM CaptHindsight: something fishy there
11:40 PM CaptHindsight: maybe a knockoff
11:40 PM CaptHindsight: but the ebay add has another chip number
11:41 PM {HD}: Cool. Well awesome help here like always. I was just hoping for a different result.
11:41 PM {HD}: I will return this card as 'not functioning'
11:42 PM CaptHindsight: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Parallel-DB25-Printer-Port-to-PCI-E-PCI-Express-Card-Adapter-Low-Profile-Bracket-/301646776761?hash=item463b8c89b9:g:25QAAOSw3xJVZESb
11:42 PM CaptHindsight: this one^^ is what you want
11:42 PM DrippityDrops: from china may take awhile
11:42 PM CaptHindsight: knowing Chinese vendors they just say: same thing
11:43 PM Crom: https://forums.opensuse.org/showthread.php/466904-11-4-How-to-get-parallel-interface-card-with-MCS9865-driver-work
11:43 PM Crom: there is the startech one...
11:44 PM {HD}: I also bought one of these (not here yet) do you think this will have the same problem?
11:44 PM {HD}: http://www.ebay.com/itm/181952167717?_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
11:44 PM DrippityDrops: those cards look like they are missing chips and need to be emulated probably half the battle being fought here
11:45 PM DrippityDrops: acs looks legit
11:47 PM DrippityDrops: chipset?
11:47 PM {HD}: Should be here soon. I cannot tell the shipset from any of the pictures or description
11:47 PM Crom: $10.95 http://www.ebay.com/itm/SIIG-CyberPro-Parallel-Port-Expansion-Card-PCI-E-P084-01G3X-JJ-000063-G1-/132143347261
11:48 PM Crom: looks to have a 2nd port header
11:48 PM CaptHindsight: DrippityDrops: the cards are used for a few different products
11:48 PM CaptHindsight: some have LPT and serial
11:48 PM CaptHindsight: some just one LPT
11:49 PM DrippityDrops: this looks like it could come in handy, must bookmark http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Mini-PCIe-to-2-Serial-1-parallel-port-Card-RS232-Printer-port-mPCIe-Mini-PCI-e-/281840153744?hash=item419efb7490:g:8n0AAOSw5VFWLxbQ
11:50 PM CaptHindsight: Chinese ebay vendors might be subbing boards as well
11:50 PM {HD}: DrippityDrops: I like the look of that tiny thing.
11:50 PM CaptHindsight: to them a LPT card is a LPT card
11:50 PM Crom: definately only one par port $4.99 http://www.ebay.com/itm/SIIG-CyberPro-PCIe-1-Port-Adapter-1-x-25-pin-DB-25-Parallel-JJ-E01011-S1-/182419633450
11:50 PM CaptHindsight: they don't care that they show one chipset in the specs and picture and then send you another
11:51 PM {HD}: CaptHindsight: That is why ebay has return "doesnt match description or photos"
11:52 PM Crom: oh this is funny... $65 same card listed for $11 http://www.ebay.com/itm/SIIG-JJ-E02011-S1-CyberParallel-Dual-PCIe-ECP-EPP-BPP-Parallel-Adapter-CyberPro-/231010297703
11:55 PM {HD}: While I am here. Any ideas on the screen flickering? I havent google it yet.
11:55 PM DrippityDrops: which video card?
11:56 PM {HD}: 8600gtx
11:57 PM Crom: hmmm think I have an ITX that'll take a PCIE mini board
11:59 PM CaptHindsight: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?WCH ok updated the wiki
11:59 PM {HD}: CaptHindsight: You add the 'If your PCI...'?