#linuxcnc Logs
Apr 01 2017
#linuxcnc Calendar
12:00 AM Crom: this is a VFD?
12:02 AM chopper791: yes
12:02 AM Crom: lcnc is sending speed to VFD how? PWM or seriallly?
12:05 AM Crom: bbiab gotta find food
12:05 AM chopper791: pwm
12:05 AM chopper791: ok
12:12 AM Crom: back del taco 12 miles
12:13 AM Crom: pwm is a voltage when come down to it
12:13 AM chopper791: I understand
12:14 AM Crom: so the vfd is reading the pwm values a bit high
12:14 AM chopper791: So is there a way to scale the pwm output so they match?
12:14 AM chopper791: setp scale.0.gain 0.002
12:15 AM chopper791: something liek this
12:15 AM chopper791: like
12:15 AM Crom: it thinks 2.91v is 995 when 2.90v is 995
12:16 AM chopper791: so by 10/6000 = 0.00166v using setp scale.0.gain 0.00166 would scale the gain to what the vfd is seeing?
12:16 AM Crom: try it
12:16 AM chopper791: brb
12:20 AM Crom: still have a crappy connection at home
12:24 AM Crom: and?
12:28 AM chopper79: No change
12:29 AM chopper79: I am going to look through my hal file and try connecting my spindle and encoder a different way. Just in case
12:30 AM Crom: in stepconf there is the the pwm config page.
12:31 AM Crom: on mine i have 0 for 0 rpm and 1 for 12000 rpm. don't know what those are in the .ini file...
12:31 AM Crom: and I'm using 1000hz for frequency of pwm
12:39 AM Crom: ok sitting down at Del Taco
12:40 AM Crom: I think it comes default as 0.2 for 100rpm and 0.9 for 3000rpm
12:43 AM Crom: so what ever your top value is for rpm is... Set the 0.xx number to something 5% smaller 0.9*.95
12:44 AM Crom: oops .5% 0.9*.995
12:45 AM Crom: shoot higher 0.9 * 1.005
12:45 AM Crom: not enough caffine
12:51 AM Crom: at .9 it's 5908 so to get it to 6000 6000/5908 ==1.0155721056
12:53 AM Crom: 1000/995 is 1.05xxxxx
12:53 AM Crom: 1.0050251256
12:56 AM MacGalempsy: the first mistake was going to Del Taco
12:56 AM MacGalempsy: everyone knows Taco Bell is better ;)
12:56 AM chopper79: ok I am back.... I never thought of this but I never adjusted the vfd from the stock position when I did the retro fit. I am wondering if the adjustment pot needs some tweaking?
12:56 AM Crom: I got out voted, I wasn't driving
12:57 AM Crom: Del taco to us is the local company... Taco Bell was owned by Pepsi
12:57 AM MacGalempsy: and Mtv
12:59 AM Crom: hmm changing a multiplier is more exact than tweaking a pot... but set 6000 rpm and tweak the pot and see if it moves
01:00 AM Crom: set rpm and actual rpms looked like it wasn't a linear change. there is a curve to it
01:02 AM Crom: on my setup, I can get the bottom and the top to agree, the middle is just varying errors from set speed to seen rpms
01:04 AM Crom: set0=seen0, set12000=12000, set 6000= see 3000 rpm
01:06 AM Crom: set 9000 see 6000
01:09 AM Crom: ok I'm driving so I can irc.... Laterz
01:09 AM Crom: can't
01:20 AM chopper79: well adjusted the vfd so the rpm was correct at 10v.... Now I am within .5rpm of commanded. I can not believe I freaking forgot about doing thta.
01:23 AM chopper79: 6000rpm commanded = 5999.5 - 6000.3 so I think I am comfortable with that amount. Then I adjusted the rev speed pot so the reverse speed matched the commanded.
01:23 AM chopper79: Should be good I think...haha
01:32 AM chopper79: Well I am off to bed I think. I will do the index tomorrow and then put my mill back together. Thank you for the assistance.
02:15 AM Deejay: moin
02:35 AM Wolf_: morning
02:43 AM Wolf_: I’m having too much fun here http://i.imgur.com/WnomVhu.jpg =)
02:48 AM archivist: https://sandiego.craigslist.org/esd/tls/6065318919.html
02:48 AM XXCoder: illegal amount of fun!
02:49 AM XXCoder: purple laser?
02:49 AM archivist: burning the house down is fun?
02:49 AM XXCoder: nah purple laser dont burn, it makes things fun
02:50 AM Wolf_: that was running at 15% power
02:51 AM Wolf_: not burning much at that distance either, dot was about 40mm on the wall lol
02:51 AM XXCoder: it looked like you was pointing laser outside at building heh
02:51 AM Wolf_: naa that was inside the house
02:52 AM Wolf_: playing with the pwm settings for power levels
02:52 AM XXCoder: if wall at right is outside building then you see the illusion
02:53 AM Wolf_: yeah, I cropped it down, shooting down the hallway in to the kitchen lol
02:54 AM XXCoder: archivist: nice too bad its far to me
02:54 AM Wolf_: XXCoder: 2.5w purple/blue
02:54 AM XXCoder: nice
02:54 AM XXCoder: enough to engrave some stuff
02:54 AM Wolf_: http://i.imgur.com/2WblNO2.jpg will burn
02:56 AM XXCoder: ohh bunch of machinist stuff like gage blocks parallels so on
02:56 AM MacGalempsy: burn baby burn
02:57 AM XXCoder: nice! making laser engrave?
02:57 AM Wolf_: yep
02:57 AM XXCoder: my bro might grab $100 tiny one
02:57 AM Wolf_: http://i.imgur.com/Tme8BYH.jpg small one =)
02:57 AM Wolf_: 550mm x 550mm
02:57 AM XXCoder: why not make it portable, so small machine can engrave anything
02:58 AM XXCoder: and make it probe surface too cur curved
02:58 AM XXCoder: *for
02:58 AM MacGalempsy: quit showing off your small one
02:59 AM XXCoder: thats what she said unfortunately
02:59 AM Wolf_: rotating axis is easy on laser, just use the Y axis and set the steps/mm to match the circumference
02:59 AM XXCoder: no I meant curved stock engraving :)
03:00 AM Wolf_: that would be neat, might be a bitch to implement tho
03:00 AM XXCoder: more awesome machinist stuff
03:00 AM XXCoder: and even more
03:01 AM Wolf_: unless you just use ball bearing mechanical point to keep the laser focal length set =)
03:01 AM XXCoder: say archivist can you get me a plane ticket?
03:01 AM XXCoder: wolf why not probe surface then adjust z hights based on that? theres good engrave for mill project that can be changed for laser
03:02 AM Wolf_: because I don’t know how to code that kinda stuff lol
03:02 AM XXCoder: it already exists
03:02 AM Wolf_: oh, what controller tho
03:02 AM XXCoder: hmm already found this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87YbE4YgQmA
03:03 AM XXCoder: the laser head moves so fast.
03:03 AM Wolf_: ick epilog
03:04 AM XXCoder: also not curved surface I mant
03:04 AM Wolf_: lol thats cheating
03:04 AM archivist: XXCoder, you have to get me a plane ticket and passport
03:04 AM XXCoder: former maybe latter sorry man
03:04 AM XXCoder: Wolf_: http://blog.cnccookbook.com/2016/03/19/heres-quick-way-engrave-irregular-surface/
03:04 AM XXCoder: spring loaded tool thats new to me
03:05 AM Wolf_: XXCoder: other trick with the c02 laser you can just use long focal length
03:05 AM Wolf_: if you have enough wattage to make up for the power loss
03:05 AM XXCoder: interesting
03:05 AM XXCoder: wouldnt it change burn diamter?
03:06 AM Wolf_: longer focal length = more depth of field
03:06 AM XXCoder: anyway its gcode alter program
03:06 AM XXCoder: so you can use any controller.
03:08 AM Wolf_: great, have to make a bigger laser engraver and mount the renishaw on it lol
03:08 AM XXCoder: lol
03:08 AM Wolf_: and add a axis
03:09 AM Wolf_: laser do run fast, 300mm/s is common I think
03:11 AM Wolf_: I’m mostly building this blue laser thing up just to mess w/ raster engraving
03:11 AM Wolf_: and to see how the smoothie ware does
03:11 AM XXCoder: nice
03:12 AM Wolf_: still have plans for the 100W c02 build
03:12 AM XXCoder: im waiing on so many stuff :(
03:12 AM XXCoder: I need standoffs for electrics, 90 degree holders for 2020 box, so on and on
03:12 AM XXCoder: seriously too bad we dont have portal game tech
03:12 AM XXCoder: it'd be perfect for laser usage
03:13 AM Wolf_: I just want to get everything figured out before I drop $1000 on a tube and psu
03:13 AM XXCoder: direct, no mirrors
03:13 AM Wolf_: sad part is I already have about $500 in to the c02 build already in parts lol
03:14 AM XXCoder: fancy lol
03:14 AM XXCoder: heyy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MucnmEtoEXo
03:14 AM XXCoder: cheeeap way to probe.
03:14 AM XXCoder: and offset of zero too
03:14 AM Wolf_: mirror holders, beam combiner, air assist cutting head, focusing lens
03:15 AM Wolf_: lol neat idea
03:15 AM XXCoder: yeah. though I would test before smashing down!
03:22 AM Wolf_: what fun is that?
03:23 AM XXCoder: press and pray eh
03:23 AM Wolf_: cheap mouse lol
03:24 AM Wolf_: lmao, someone just sent me a message wanting the ford ranger I have had listed for sale for about 6 months, about damn time
03:26 AM archivist: I just took the piss on a mailing list for "35 years of experience in Web Science" er wot!
03:26 AM archivist: clueless job adverts!
03:27 AM Wolf_: 35yrs of web experience?
03:27 AM Wolf_: umm
03:27 AM archivist: no science it is a university
03:27 AM archivist: effin idiots uncoupled from the real world
03:29 AM archivist: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-lod/2017Apr/
03:29 AM XXCoder: web science? is that what they call google it up for bullshit like antivax shit? lol
03:29 AM XXCoder: I guess they're trying to catch time travelers.
03:30 AM archivist: maybe its is an april fool joke ad
03:32 AM Wolf_: wow this one FB laser group is annoying helpful, I answered someones question 4 hrs ago and 5 other people have added to it, mostly with the same info I replied with
04:07 AM Crom_: In Morro Bay
04:23 AM XXCoder: Wolf_: some people simply never read replies, ever.
04:23 AM XXCoder: I remember this stupid fb post
04:23 AM XXCoder: it was fake news
04:23 AM XXCoder: I replied to it with links of actual info
04:24 AM XXCoder: but people keep says "omg that is bad" so on and on
04:24 AM XXCoder: no wonder fake news had asuch a huge hit recent;y
04:25 AM archivist: the internet gives the dim witted a voice and others take advantage to fool them
04:26 AM XXCoder: critical thinking is only way to go.
04:30 AM Crom_: But, but, but, but you have to save the children, the whales, the spotted owl!
04:31 AM XXCoder: remove species card from earth life card house all you want. just dont cry if it falls apart
04:35 AM Crom_: Integrated stepper are being shipped my way come Monday. I should see them Thursday to Saturday
04:36 AM Crom_: My buddy is playing with them over the weekend...
04:36 AM Crom_: Nite nite
04:53 AM jym: XXCoder: Just remove all the warning labels and let evolution take it's natural course.
04:54 AM archivist: it gets silly when there is a label to tell you to read the labels
04:55 AM IchGucksLive: hi from Germany
04:55 AM XXCoder: hey ich
04:56 AM jym: archivist: Or the 35 of 36 pages in a tool's owners manual all on safety precautions
04:57 AM archivist: jym, that starts with page on read the safety section!
04:57 AM jym: archivist: exactly
04:57 AM XXCoder: thats due to all the lawsiits
04:58 AM XXCoder: lawsuits, though lawslits works also :P
04:58 AM jym: I kinda like the way that HF does their manuals. All of it's generic precautions, but it's exacty the same if it's a screwdriver or welding torch
04:59 AM archivist: cut and paste manual writing, no relevance to the actual danger
05:00 AM XXCoder: yeah there need to be some basic warnings
05:00 AM archivist: and you only really learn by damaging self
05:00 AM jym: I've actually read part of it, it's legit, just not specific
05:00 AM jym: Wear ansi approved this, don't do that, etc.
05:01 AM jym: not even in chinglish either
05:01 AM jym: If you ever have to write a manual, start with plagerizing theirs =)
05:02 AM archivist: last manual I did had none of that crap
05:02 AM R2E4_bevins1: morning, evening afternoon
05:02 AM archivist: was for an inkjet printer
05:02 AM IchGucksLive: ;-)
05:04 AM R2E4_bevins1: Hi Ich
05:04 AM R2E4_bevins1: Still havent got remap to work properly
05:04 AM R2E4_bevins1: IT runs in preview, but not in milltask\
05:09 AM IchGucksLive: its sometimes a miss to get wat you want
05:09 AM R2E4_bevins1: Why doesnt anybody want to discuss remap?
05:09 AM IchGucksLive: but it is a good workaround
05:10 AM IchGucksLive: Most only need Standards
05:10 AM R2E4_bevins1: yeah.... but if it cant do what the docs says it can, then th docs should be fixed....
05:11 AM R2E4_bevins1: Does the interpreter suspend on a M6 or you have to tell it to?
05:12 AM IchGucksLive: if you remap it it goes to your code sequenz
05:13 AM R2E4_bevins1: The interpreter has to suspend read ahead on a queuebuster, I ned to know isit doing this on a M6?
05:13 AM R2E4_bevins1: automatically?
05:14 AM IchGucksLive: did you load the SIM REMAP config
05:14 AM R2E4_bevins1: Or do I have to tell it to?
05:14 AM R2E4_bevins1: I have everything done in python, all the remap examples except involute is done with NGC
05:17 AM R2E4_bevins1: I have the toolchanger working except in milltask instance. Something really stupid I am missing I am sure but I cannot find anything that is done purely in python.
05:19 AM R2E4_bevins1: INERP_EXECUTE_FINISH is in the epilog, but I cannot find where it yields it. Not in the prolog at least.
05:19 AM IchGucksLive: ok so did you firer a debug mode in the ini to see whe resault
05:20 AM IchGucksLive: and start the LCNC only by terminal
05:20 AM IchGucksLive: is python correct in INI
05:20 AM R2E4_bevins1: I have been running Lcnc on the terminal, doing my toolchange and putting prints in there......
05:21 AM IchGucksLive: [PYTHON]
05:21 AM IchGucksLive: PATH_PREPEND=python
05:21 AM IchGucksLive: TOPLEVEL=python/toplevel.py
05:21 AM IchGucksLive: LOG_LEVEL = 8
05:22 AM IchGucksLive: CAN You post your [RS274NGC]
05:22 AM R2E4_bevins1: I did not do loglevel 8 but all the rest is ok. It runs through the remap and does the toolchange when I do not do the if not self.task check, so it works in the preview
05:22 AM R2E4_bevins1: Yeah, I have it in the forum, Ill post it here
05:24 AM R2E4_bevins1: https://pastebin.com/RAuNWwxP
05:25 AM IchGucksLive: why did you do modal group 6 not 10
05:26 AM R2E4_bevins1: I tried both
05:26 AM R2E4_bevins1: The dos said 6, so I used 6
05:26 AM IchGucksLive: ok
05:26 AM R2E4_bevins1: I havent tried 10 lately, only at the beginning
05:30 AM IchGucksLive: does it return INERP_EXECUTE_FINISH
05:31 AM jthornton: morning
05:32 AM IchGucksLive: then it might be the executing block so -> call type to CT_REMAP so the next read()
05:32 AM R2E4_bevins1: I am getting "Can't do that (EMC_MOTION_SET_DOUT) in auto mode with interpreter idle" and "Can't do that (EMC_MOTION_SET_DOUT) in auto mode with interpreter waiting"
05:33 AM R2E4_bevins1: INERP_EXECUTE_FINISH is getting done in the epilog
05:34 AM R2E4_bevins1: Should I have it in the toplevel?
05:35 AM IchGucksLive: The [RS274NGC] needs to be toplevel = 0
05:36 AM R2E4_bevins1: put toplevel = 0 under [RS274NGC] ? What does that do>?
05:37 AM IchGucksLive: no you got it right im wrong
05:38 AM R2E4_bevins1: There is no state interpreter is suspended, so I dont actually know it is, it only says idle or waiting.
05:39 AM IchGucksLive: it might be the function itself
05:39 AM R2E4_bevins1: I have a feeling it is not getting suspended because I am getting a cant do that in auto and it shouldnt be in auto during a remap
05:39 AM IchGucksLive: did you do a set and reset
05:39 AM XXCoder: wow https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1VCZEXi384
05:40 AM R2E4_bevins1: set and reset on what?
05:40 AM IchGucksLive: you getting a PINset error
05:40 AM IchGucksLive: EMC_MOTION_SET_DOUT
05:41 AM IchGucksLive: SET_MOTION_OUTPUT_BIT(yourpin)
05:41 AM R2E4_bevins1: yeah, on in auto though.
05:41 AM IchGucksLive: and the oposit in a if else woudt be
05:41 AM R2E4_bevins1: on some I set on some I set and reset
05:42 AM R2E4_bevins1: Some output needs a maintained, some only need a pulse
05:42 AM IchGucksLive: There is only one action allowed at interpreter ok Return as i know
05:44 AM IchGucksLive: i guess you did the correct import from emccanon as well as from interpreter
05:44 AM IchGucksLive: so both kow the change
05:44 AM R2E4_bevins1: yes
05:45 AM IchGucksLive: then im off the line as i only work on user mcodes
05:45 AM IchGucksLive: for that remap reson
05:45 AM IchGucksLive: ask Alos
05:45 AM IchGucksLive: he did on the mashine
05:45 AM R2E4_bevins1: ok thanks, do you kow who I can speak with that knows this stuff?
05:46 AM R2E4_bevins1: oh ok
05:46 AM R2E4_bevins1: in pure python?
05:46 AM IchGucksLive: yes
05:46 AM IchGucksLive: and ofcause the founder of the main remap
05:46 AM R2E4_bevins1: oh, I thought Michael was
05:47 AM IchGucksLive: yes
05:47 AM R2E4_bevins1: Where can Alos be found?
05:47 AM IchGucksLive: he is on weekdays in the office
05:47 AM R2E4_bevins1: Alos = Michael?...lol
05:47 AM IchGucksLive: making gravestones
05:47 AM IchGucksLive: NO
05:48 AM IchGucksLive: ok im off going out in garden
05:52 AM XXCoder: well hope you figure it out
05:53 AM R2E4_bevins1: I will need help to make it work. I have done what i can and have it to a point where I cannot do more unless something that is undocumented to make it work.
05:54 AM XXCoder: for me its all the goddamn waiting
05:54 AM archivist: your main trouble is the person who implemented remap is no longer with us, he forked off
05:55 AM R2E4_bevins1: Certainly someone has done a remap purely in python. I just need to find an example....
05:55 AM XXCoder: why did that guy fork off
05:55 AM jthornton: he wanted to do different stuff so he started machinekit
05:56 AM R2E4_bevins1: He forked off without documented his findings completely...lol
05:56 AM newcnc22: Is the easy way to program a five axis machine cam software?
05:57 AM newcnc22: I'm searching for a good alternative to desk proto
05:57 AM R2E4_bevins1: try fusion360
05:57 AM archivist: newcnc22, I use inside rear skull cam and hand code the 5 axis
05:58 AM newcnc22: Aha...
05:58 AM R2E4_bevins1: I wonder if it would work if I use NGC
05:59 AM R2E4_bevins1: instead of python
05:59 AM XXCoder: lol my machine is barely 2.5d
06:00 AM newcnc22: @ archivist :Thank you ...
06:00 AM newcnc22: @ R2E4_bevins : thank you too...
06:01 AM archivist: newcnc22, what are you intending to make
06:01 AM newcnc22: 3-D models
06:02 AM jthornton: wow that is a lot of python R2E4_bevins
06:03 AM archivist: newcnc22, I make gears and regular patterns which are relatively simple to hand code
06:03 AM R2E4_bevins1: It works great in preview instance....lol
06:04 AM jthornton: how is a tool change shown in the preview?
06:04 AM XXCoder: arch guy left
06:04 AM archivist: I know
06:06 AM R2E4_bevins1: It is not shown on the preview screen, the instance when lcnc starts is in preview, so if I have a T1 M6 for example in the gcode when LCNC starts it will run it because Lcnc has to run through the gcode when the file gets loaded.
06:06 AM XXCoder: HMMMMM
06:06 AM XXCoder: https://www.adafruit.com/products/468
06:06 AM XXCoder: not bad
06:06 AM R2E4_bevins1: Well, when the file is loaded I meant.
06:06 AM XXCoder: anyone have, and is it any good?
06:08 AM archivist: get a real scope not that toy
06:08 AM XXCoder: I really dont need one
06:09 AM R2E4_bevins1: When you load the file if it sees the T1 M6 it doesnt know the difference, it just runs through the gcode with no movement...... The difference I am remapping so in the toplevel of the remap I check if it is in milltask or preview instance if it is preview I get out of the remap.
06:10 AM R2E4_bevins1: that works and if I dont return out of the remap it goes through the toolchange and everything works.
06:10 AM XXCoder: nice https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mq4TF3Nnhs0
06:10 AM R2E4_bevins1: the problem is when I run the program, it now is using the milltask instance so I want to run the remap....... and herin lies the issue.....
06:11 AM XXCoder: you may well have to document it yourself
06:11 AM XXCoder: and in process igure it out
06:11 AM R2E4_bevins1: The interpreter is not suspending or I need to manually change modes in the remap. I dont know what the right thing to do
06:13 AM R2E4_bevins1: I dont care, I'll write ten pages to document it, but I first need to know how to get it to manual, if I need to in the remap or tell the interpreter to suspend which I think it is not doing. there is no status that returns whether the interpreter is in suspend mode, if that even exists.
06:14 AM R2E4_bevins1: It works when using the preview instance because it is in manual mode, in the milltask it is in auto mode and you can do the same thing while in auto mode that you can in manual mode.
06:15 AM R2E4_bevins1: Bottom line is the interpreter needs a rewrite. the remap is a patch.....
06:16 AM archivist: or the other way round
06:17 AM archivist: he kept wanting to rewrite everything too
06:18 AM R2E4_bevins1: yeah well I am thinking he may have not been wrong....
06:19 AM R2E4_bevins1: doesnt cradek or seb know this stuff?
06:19 AM archivist: or its the "I dont understand x so it must be wrong problem"
06:20 AM archivist: cradek has used remap, cant remember what for
06:20 AM R2E4_bevins1: well, yeah, that could be it also.
06:22 AM archivist: I see some projects continuously break due to changes in api due to code fiddlers, with CNC that is not really forgiveable
06:23 AM R2E4_bevins1: I understand where you are coming from, but if there is no documentation or nobody around that can explain how its done, it should be removed from the docs.
06:24 AM R2E4_bevins1: Simply stating it can be done in pure python and not providing proof that it can be done hurts more than it helps.
06:25 AM R2E4_bevins1: I spent three weeks writing this code to come to a bridge that doesnt reach the other side.
06:25 AM archivist: wernt me guv
06:26 AM R2E4_bevins1: So the bridge has to be repaired or go around and find a path to the other side.
06:26 AM archivist: classicladder was the other method shown
06:26 AM R2E4_bevins1: The problem is I dont have the equipment to rebuild the bridge.
06:27 AM R2E4_bevins1: Classic ladder cannot deal with the axis moving.
06:32 AM archivist: a percentage write a hal comp
06:34 AM R2E4_bevins1: If it is that simple, then someone would have done it already. You still would run into the same problem.
06:36 AM archivist: at the moment I am not sure we know the real problem
06:36 AM R2E4_bevins1: The hal comp would be doing the same thing as ngc o-word stuff, so might just as well do it in o-word subs
06:37 AM R2E4_bevins1: huh? It is staring me in the face!!!!
06:38 AM R2E4_bevins1: Cant set digital-outs in auto mode. During a remap it shouldnt be in auto, because the interpreter is still reading ahead.
06:39 AM R2E4_bevins1: Thats my thoughts on it...... or thats what I can see.
06:40 AM R2E4_bevins1: Si if it really works in pure python, then I am missing some important piece of the puzzle, but there is no proof it truely works in pure python.
06:41 AM R2E4_bevins1: or none that I can find at least.
06:42 AM R2E4_bevins1: What I do know is whats in the docs do not work.
06:45 AM archivist: read his version of the docs
06:46 AM R2E4_bevins1: who's version?
06:46 AM archivist: mh http://www.machinekit.io/docs/remap/structure/
06:46 AM R2E4_bevins1: Ah
06:47 AM archivist: has he fixed bugs in either docs or implementation
07:06 AM R2E4_bevins1: A couple things have changed but nothing extravagant.
07:06 AM R2E4_bevins1: no game-changer
07:07 AM R2E4_bevins1: this simply does not work......self.execute("G1 X%f Y%f" % (x,y)), which is the showstopper.
07:10 AM R2E4_bevins1: it unequivocally ignores it.
07:18 AM jthornton: R2E4_bevins: did you turn on all the debug messages?
07:19 AM R2E4_bevins1: level 8?
07:20 AM jthornton: look in sim axis remap extend-builtins ini file for a very interesting list of debug codes
07:21 AM R2E4_bevins1: ok
07:27 AM jthornton: DEBUG = 0x7FFFFFFF # All debug messages
07:49 AM R2E4_bevins1: https://pastebin.com/
07:50 AM archivist: er wot
07:50 AM R2E4_bevins1: LCNC starts, ok, get emcstatus ok, load program, it looks ok in milltask so thats ok the run program, it starts remap and the interpreter is reading. Which it should be suspended at that point.
07:51 AM archivist: that was an empty paste
07:51 AM R2E4_bevins1: lol....; sorry
07:52 AM R2E4_bevins1: https://pastebin.com/0ktHmjFa
08:05 AM R2E4_bevins1: https://pastebin.com/NbUP26Ap This is with DEBUG = 0x7FFFFFFF
08:27 AM jthornton: just racked the elderberry blush and after 6 weeks in the secondary it's looking good
08:53 AM Tom_L: how long does it sit now?
08:55 AM jthornton: 4 to 6 weeks
08:56 AM jthornton: it's almost clear now
09:00 AM Tom_L: did you ever do any more with anodizing?
09:08 AM jthornton: never did :(
09:08 AM jthornton: it's all set up and ready to put the acid in...\
09:12 AM jthornton: I usually rack wine every 4 weeks till clear then bottle it
09:14 AM zeeshan: hi
09:20 AM * JT-Shop has 4 things that have to get done this weekend... finish the cat bypass, nap, finish the spyder carrier and nap
09:24 AM zeeshan: mission accomplished? :D
09:25 AM JT-Shop: got the wine racked!
09:31 AM zeeshan: man its going to be a busy april
09:31 AM zeeshan: lots of flying
09:32 AM zeeshan: any of you guys use talon grips in your vise jaws?
09:32 AM archivist: if trump lets you in
09:32 AM JT-Shop: lol
09:33 AM zeeshan: i already been to the states enough since trump has been elected
09:33 AM zeeshan: :p
09:33 AM gregcnc: they let you in?
09:34 AM zeeshan: anyone from seattle? :D
09:34 AM Loetmichel_: Meh. that was to be expected. Lost my Leatherman wave 3 weeks ago. Last week i ordered a new one... yesterdy my wife called me: The old Leatherman has been hiding in the dirty laundry for some reason. Just to reappear a day after i got the new one. (And shelled out 100€ for it) :-(
09:34 AM zeeshan: gregcnc: so doing those parts with my manufacturing plan worked
09:34 AM zeeshan: fairly good
09:35 AM zeeshan: we're making them in ~30 min now cycle time
09:35 AM zeeshan: vs 3-4hrs
09:35 AM gregcnc: what's a victorinox swisstool cost over there?
09:35 AM zeeshan: we had one part come loose those
09:35 AM zeeshan: which is why im looking at talon grips
09:35 AM zeeshan: the part came loose cause the raw stock was really rounded at the edges :/
09:36 AM gregcnc: zeeshan very cool, I use step jaws, nothing with enough load to worry about talons, but I would use them if needed
09:36 AM gregcnc: talons might not save you there
09:36 AM zeeshan: the prob is the raw stock
09:36 AM zeeshan: i dont want them facing the raw blocks before clamping
09:36 AM zeeshan: cause it adds a lot of time
09:37 AM zeeshan: i feel like the talons will dig into the material
09:37 AM zeeshan: rather than rely on the surface
09:37 AM archivist: often a first op is the grip area
09:37 AM zeeshan: honestly we did like 20 parts without any problems
09:37 AM zeeshan: it was just one piece that was silly
09:37 AM gregcnc: right, that is the intent
09:38 AM archivist: or operator failed to tighten?
09:38 AM gregcnc: then it's cheaper to scrap it, then wast time
09:38 AM gregcnc: than waste time
09:38 AM zeeshan: well partially op error because he coulda flipped the stock the other way
09:38 AM zeeshan: which had a better gripping surface
09:38 AM gregcnc: before putting it in the machine that is
09:38 AM gregcnc: just training in that case
09:39 AM zeeshan: i'd like to make it fool proof tho
09:39 AM zeeshan: so anyone can run it
09:40 AM sync_: machine dovetails on the sock
09:40 AM sync_: +t
09:40 AM zeeshan: why would we do that
09:41 AM zeeshan: when we can just face it? :p
09:41 AM gregcnc: when you want to be sure it doesn't come out
09:44 AM zeeshan: .060” is enough for most applications if the bottom of the material has only a small edge break or corner radius of up to about .030” max. All parts shown in the videos on our web site, were machined gripping on only .060”. However if the edge condition of the material is rounded very much, it might not be enough. Also softer materials like some plastics and non metals may need more than .060” of
09:45 AM zeeshan: we're gripping 3/16"
09:45 AM zeeshan: i think we'll be ok with the talon grips
09:45 AM zeeshan: gotta try!
09:45 AM gregcnc: it's just money, the best kind, not yours
09:48 AM zeeshan: lol
09:48 AM zeeshan: my coworker was arguing with me on thursday
09:49 AM zeeshan: we got a 1/2-13 threaded rod, with two nuts that go on it. each nut gets a hole drilled through it and a spring pin
09:49 AM zeeshan: he thinks that if you remove the spring pin and loosen one of the nuts
09:49 AM zeeshan: you can never get the spring pin back on
09:50 AM * zeeshan is machining a demonstration piece to show
09:50 AM gregcnc: for extra credit?
09:51 AM zeeshan: no, because its easier to show someone with a physical part
09:51 AM gregcnc: i thought you make them at work?
09:51 AM zeeshan: we do
09:52 AM zeeshan: but i got the home shop to do stuff like this :-)
09:52 AM gregcnc: so there were none in stock?
09:52 AM zeeshan: they are made to order parts
09:52 AM zeeshan: we're lean
09:52 AM zeeshan: just in time manufacturing :)
09:54 AM zeeshan: also our plant is 30 mins from our office
09:55 AM gregcnc: that's when you pull a hundred pesos or whatever you have up there out of your wallet and make a bet
09:55 AM zeeshan: lol
10:01 AM gregcnc: https://youtu.be/eToHTf-QUBA
10:02 AM gregcnc: Beast of Turin
10:35 AM zeeshan: any of you guys have ceramic gage blocks?
10:35 AM zeeshan: they look so nice
10:35 AM SpeedEvil: I have steel ones. :)
10:36 AM archivist: I haz rusty ones
10:36 AM SpeedEvil: Mine have no rust.
10:36 AM zeeshan: :)
10:59 AM Tom_L: JIT MFG INC.
10:59 AM Tom_L: at the speed of light -> zeeshan
10:59 AM BeachBumPete: dunno do they slip stick like steel?
11:00 AM archivist: that stick is air pressure so should
11:00 AM archivist: my bits of glass stick
11:00 AM BeachBumPete: yeah but the ceramic migh be porous no?
11:02 AM archivist: I imaging the use a rather better than usual ceramic
11:02 AM archivist: imagine
11:02 AM BeachBumPete: perhaps
11:03 AM archivist: my glass things have a few marks and a crack that probably come from being stuck together http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2010/2010_04_15_Levels/IMG_0591.JPG
11:04 AM archivist: the middle one is not a surface chip, its further in
11:07 AM chopper79: howdy
11:08 AM BeachBumPete: interesting
11:34 AM terry__: Hi, has anyone here every built custom firmware for a mesa card?
11:34 AM Tom_L: yes
11:37 AM JT-Shop: pcw_home: does it all the time
11:37 AM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/emc/xilinx/xilinx14_install_index.php
11:38 AM terry__: I am getting the compile error: ERROR:HDLParsers:804 - "/home/terry/src/5i23/CONFIGS/HOSTMOT2/SOURCE/hostmot2.vhd" Line 2948. Size of ibus is different than size of the target.
11:39 AM Tom_L: bitfiles or firmware?
11:39 AM terry__: Following the guide found on the wiki.
11:39 AM Tom_L: i've done bitfiles but not firmware
11:39 AM Tom_L: same guide
11:39 AM Tom_L: just on my site instead of the wiki
11:39 AM terry__: 5i23 card, SVST8_4_72... one moment...
11:40 AM Tom_L: make sure the target chip is the same size as the hostmot2 file is for
11:43 AM terry__: I got the software package from the mesa site, using the fivei23.xise file w/ Top9054HostMot2.vhd file and PIN_SVST8_4_72.vhd file.
11:43 AM Tom_L: yeah
11:44 AM Tom_L: some boards have 2 size chips and i don't know which do or don't
11:44 AM Tom_L: but that's likely not your issue
11:44 AM terry__: OK, where is the target chip setting?
11:44 AM Tom_L: look in the main file iirc
11:45 AM Tom_L: it's been too long for me to have it all logged to memory still..
11:46 AM terry__: There is a PIN_SVST8_4IM2_72 file, maybe I need to use it instead?
11:46 AM Tom_L: ask pcw_home
11:46 AM Tom_L: the 72 designates the io
11:50 AM terry__: OK, I see users pcw_home and pcw_mesa, home and work? Works for mesa?
11:50 AM JT-Shop: that is mesa
11:50 AM JT-Shop: or I should say he is mesa
11:50 AM terry__: OK, thank.
11:51 AM pcw_home: Is thers some reason you are not just using svst8_4.bit from the 5i23.zip file?
11:52 AM JT-Shop: and if by magic he shows up :)
11:52 AM terry__: I wish to build a custom function to read a ShockDual game controler via joycon board.
11:53 AM pcw_home: you mean a new I/O module?
11:53 AM terry__: yes
11:53 AM pcw_home: what I/O is needed?
11:54 AM terry__: 8bit input bus, a few control lines such as clk, rdy, ...
11:54 AM pcw_home: probably easier to just use GPIO
11:54 AM terry__: sould have said 8bit I/O bus
11:55 AM terry__: I thought of using gpio, but it seemed like it would be cleaner to have the 5i23 card do it. No?
11:57 AM pcw_home: Unless you need a high data rate its probably much easier to do this in hal or with a hal comp
11:57 AM terry__: OK, will do that then. Thanks
11:58 AM pcw_home: a hal comp doing the low level I/O will allow you to reverse the bus and twiddle the bits with usec timing
12:00 PM terry__: Thanks much for the help, I go that route, make it a great day. Bye.
12:09 PM IchGucksLive: hi all ;-)
12:11 PM IchGucksLive: as i told you im doing the Town Emblem http://heimwerkermarkt-tretter.de/VG_wa.jpg from Jpg
12:12 PM IchGucksLive: it is first test
12:12 PM IchGucksLive: i need a V-cutter 60deg
12:12 PM IchGucksLive: 90 is to flat for the griffin enngrave
12:13 PM {HD}: Is that king lion smoking a pipe?
12:13 PM IchGucksLive: i guess
12:16 PM IchGucksLive: {HD}: all freaks here in town
12:16 PM IchGucksLive: so why shoudt the flag not be
12:26 PM Crom_: Morning
12:26 PM IchGucksLive: :-9
12:26 PM archivist: 6pm, !
12:26 PM IchGucksLive: its getting dark here
12:27 PM IchGucksLive: so how is the weathere in around West coast
12:27 PM Crom_: ~10am
12:27 PM roycroft: overcast today, but high temp of 17
12:27 PM roycroft: sunny tomorrow though
12:28 PM roycroft: very spring-like
12:29 PM Crom_: Lemme stick my head out the door and look
12:30 PM IchGucksLive: Crom frech air at that time is bad for jung people
12:30 PM IchGucksLive: take a beer and think of last night
12:34 PM IchGucksLive: BBQ outside im off GN8
12:34 PM Crom_: Beautiful, barely a wisp of a cloud anywhere. About 22c right now
01:45 PM djdelorie: Anyone have any suggestions for an overvoltage-load-dump-brake-resistor module, that triggers around 140V ?
02:42 PM skunkworks: http://www.geckodrive.com/returned-energy-dump
02:48 PM djdelorie: hmmm... do I want to dump *all* the back-emf? Or store some for regen? My power supply is 120V but the circuitry is rated for 160V
02:48 PM djdelorie: I've seen quite a few crowbar-type zener circuits, but I'd rather use something "proven" than rely on my own hackery
02:49 PM djdelorie: (proven design-to-build or proven module-to-buy, either works)
02:51 PM djdelorie: (and TIP147 is only rated for 100V...)
03:05 PM pcw_home: You definitely do not want a linear (shunt regulator) circuit
03:06 PM pcw_home: (due to SOA limitations in the brake transistor)
03:08 PM pcw_home: You want fast hard transistor on/off drive with hysteresis
03:08 PM pcw_home: say on at 140 off at 130
03:09 PM djdelorie: The usual circuits I've seen are a zener-driven mosfet
03:09 PM pcw_home: very bad
03:09 PM djdelorie: Yesterday I was tuning the accelerations, and after a hard stop I heard a "pop" and smelled the magic smoke...
03:09 PM djdelorie: so I need something fast too ;-)
03:10 PM pcw_home: Ouch
03:10 PM pcw_home: the rate of voltage rise in the filter capacitor should not be that fast
03:12 PM pcw_home: I think on the 8I20 we just measure the bus voltage at the normal ADC sampling rate (PWM rate) and
03:12 PM pcw_home: run the brake from the CPU
03:13 PM pcw_home: and have a BRAKEONV and BRAKEOFFV setting
03:20 PM djdelorie: Hmmm... I could do that. Still need the actual switching module...
03:24 PM CaptHindsight: maybe they are using one of those very high ESR pooper caps? :)
03:26 PM djdelorie: although something that doesn't rely on software would be preferred :-)
03:33 PM tpw_rules: so i have a 2d x-y table that i'd like to control with a mouse
03:34 PM tpw_rules: is there a way to do that with linuxcnc? has anybody done something similar?
03:34 PM R2E4_bevins: anyone have a remap of M6 with pure python working?
03:34 PM tpw_rules: basically what i want from linuxcnc is to be able to give it an x,y position and have it immediately move the head to that new position. even if it's in the middle of another movement
03:34 PM R2E4_bevins: examples I can look at?
03:35 PM tpw_rules: if i just give it piles of g-code, it completes each in sequence and there's not really a way to break the sequence and have it start on a different trajectory
03:35 PM pcw_home: For all hardware, I would use a voltage divider --> comparator with hysteresis driving a gate driver --> MOSFET --> brake resistor
03:36 PM djdelorie: can I just buy a module that does that?
03:36 PM * djdelorie wishes a zener+resistor would be "good enough" ;-)
03:39 PM * djdelorie notes to add a brake circuit to the next driver board spin...
03:46 PM XXCoder: wow work shop gave me one of larger cnc mills
03:46 PM JT-Shop: nice
03:46 PM XXCoder: as it turns out 3 of 11 new mills was not up to shop standards
03:46 PM XXCoder: (by new i mean to shop, its used)
03:47 PM XXCoder: think I'll have to decline it though, no place to put car sized mill
03:47 PM SpeedEvil: yay!
03:47 PM SpeedEvil: Oh
03:48 PM XXCoder: nah april fool heh
03:48 PM XXCoder: though company IS selling 3 mills they decided is not very good
03:48 PM XXCoder: funny because those 3 is larger than most of machines in shop. I guess quality sucked
03:49 PM SpeedEvil: I guess if worn, ...
03:49 PM SpeedEvil: (ways, ...)
03:49 PM XXCoder: possibily. they are cleaing and fixing it up a little to increase price
03:49 PM XXCoder: and man it looked bad when it initally arrived.
03:50 PM XXCoder: the shop that went under dont take good care of machines.
03:50 PM XXCoder: the smaller robodrills and 2 tiny haas machines was dirty and had issues, but theyre all fine and running now.
04:27 PM Deejay: gn8
04:43 PM {HD}: I was talking to a guy about surface grinders today via email now he isnt responding...I just want to know if he accepts my offer!
05:15 PM Tom_L: yay! more storms moving thru
05:26 PM Roguish_ is now known as Roguish
06:47 PM JT-Shop: keep them in Kansas lol
06:47 PM XXCoder: maybe borrow trump walls to keep storms in lol
06:50 PM JT-Shop: lol
06:50 PM roycroft: and make the tornados pay for the walls!
06:51 PM XXCoder: lol
06:51 PM JT-Shop: I don't want to talk about tornado's...
06:53 PM roycroft: i am cleaning my oven this afternoon
06:53 PM roycroft: i was not aware there was a glass window in the door of the oven
06:53 PM roycroft: i thought it was just a black recess in the door
06:55 PM {HD}: roycroft: lol, ick. What are you using to clean it?
06:56 PM roycroft: oven cleaner
06:56 PM XXCoder: lol
06:56 PM roycroft: it's actually not that horrible
06:56 PM roycroft: but the glass was covered with smoke
06:56 PM roycroft: i used to have a housekeeper who kept my kitchen appliances nice and clean
06:57 PM roycroft: but she moved on, and i can't really afford someone now
06:57 PM {HD}: Should I email this surface grinder guy again with my P# or just wait for him to reply to my email?
06:57 PM roycroft: so it's up to me, and i don't do it often enough
06:58 PM roycroft: if it's a cl surface grinder it's either sold already and he's a butthead who doesn't get back to people nor pull the listing, or he's a moron who wants to be contacted by phone, refuses to look at email, but does not post his phone number
06:58 PM roycroft: in either case emailing him again will not do any good
06:59 PM {HD}: roycroft: He already replyed to my first email in like 5 mins and the 2nd email where I said "Ill take it" he has not replyed to yet...
07:00 PM roycroft: then it's likely the former
07:02 PM roycroft: i was going to buy some speakers off cl once
07:02 PM roycroft: i found a pair for the price i wanted
07:02 PM roycroft: called the guy
07:02 PM roycroft: told him i'm two hours away, and that i would leave right now, stop at the bank to get cash, and be down in 2 hours
07:02 PM roycroft: and askd if he would hold them for me for 2 hours
07:03 PM roycroft: he told me some other guy had called, and whoever got there first would get them
07:03 PM roycroft: so i passed
07:03 PM roycroft: two days later he called and asked why i didn't show up, and said he still had them
07:03 PM roycroft: i tried explaining that it's not worth a 4 hour round trip to risk coming up empty
07:04 PM roycroft: but his attitude is that when selling stuff, whoever gets there first alwasy gets it
07:04 PM roycroft: and was still unwilling to commit to hold them until i could get there
07:05 PM roycroft: i always queue people up in the order they commit to coming over
07:05 PM roycroft: i'll say "someone else said he's going to look at it tonight - if he doesn't buy it i'll call you tomorrow and you get next dibs"
07:18 PM {HD}: roycroft: That sucks. It should be a first come first serve. When I sold my Piano on CL I did a sudo auction kind of thing.
07:30 PM roycroft: i don't like auction like things unless it's announced up front
07:31 PM roycroft: when a person posts a price and then you call and the person says "a lot of people are interested, i'm going to maybe raise the price or take offers" i just hang up
07:32 PM roycroft: i have this thing about honesty, and posting a price and then raising it if there's a lot of interest is dishonest
07:42 PM {HD}: roycroft: I listed it as best offer.
07:42 PM {HD}: Went for more than I thought it would...
08:02 PM zeeshan: roycroft: i sympathize
08:02 PM zeeshan: i hate dealing with sellers like that
08:10 PM CaptHindsight: whats worse is someone who says to come by knowing that you told them it will take you an hour to get there and then selling it before you arrive
08:11 PM CaptHindsight: and they have you cell number in case something happens before you get there
08:11 PM CaptHindsight: you/your
08:12 PM CaptHindsight: why those people don't get cancer is beyond me
08:14 PM tpw_rules: basically what i want from linuxcnc is to be able to give it an x,y position and have it immediately move the head to that new position. even if it's in the middle of another movement. if i just give it piles of g-code, it completes each in sequence and there's not really a way to break the sequence and have it start on a different trajectory
08:18 PM CaptHindsight: like pausing and performing a manual jog?
08:21 PM tpw_rules: well i'm hoping i can send in target coordinates from another device
08:21 PM tpw_rules: basically i have an x-y gantry i want to make mouse operated
08:22 PM tpw_rules: so if the cursor is at a particular screen point, the gantry should head there. but as soon as the cursor moves, it needs to move to the new cursor space. it can't keep heading to the old one
08:22 PM pcw_home: if you are no driving position from gcode you can do this all in hal
08:22 PM pcw_home: s/no/not/
08:22 PM tpw_rules: how? i'm not very familiar with linuxcnc's architecture
08:23 PM tpw_rules: i made a working prototype that just shoved in gcode in realtime but it's really pretty bad
08:24 PM pcw_home: just feed the commanded positions to limit components (to limit accel and velocity)
08:24 PM tpw_rules: you'll have to explain a bit more.
08:26 PM {HD}: I just emailed this guy again with my P# I hope I hear something soon.
08:27 PM pcw_home: if you have joint position commands you could feed them directly to the output devices position commands
08:27 PM pcw_home: (but a limit component will make sure the commanded position stream does not exceed the output devices acceleration or velocity limits)
08:27 PM tpw_rules: is there stuff i could read about from someone who just started linuxcnc yesterday?
08:27 PM tpw_rules: or from the perspective of
08:30 PM pcw_home: for what you are doing you might want to start with the hal manual
08:32 PM tpw_rules: so at a brief glance i'd need to feed stuff into motion
08:35 PM tpw_rules: hmmm. i'll have to screw with it
08:35 PM {HD}: MOFO he has a guy taking a look at it in the morning. I am almost SURE that I was the first to respond...
08:37 PM roycroft: how long have you been looking for a surface grinder?
08:38 PM {HD}: roycroft: Like a week.
08:38 PM roycroft: oh
08:38 PM {HD}: roycroft: But, I had this guy talked into a sweet deal!
08:38 PM roycroft: that's only 17 seconds in craigslist years
08:38 PM roycroft: and the guy who is looking at it in the morning is going to give him his asking price
08:39 PM roycroft: i tell sellers that if i'm willing to do so
08:40 PM roycroft: "you say you have someone coming over in a while. that's fine. i'll give you your asking price, so keep that in mind when negotiation with the first guy"
08:40 PM roycroft: negotiating
08:40 PM roycroft: if you offered one penny less he probably decided to ask the guy who would offer full price first dibs
08:42 PM {HD}: roycroft: I had him say he would give me the surface grinder and a shaper for free if I came in the morning to pick them up...I replyed OK and now he has someone else going in the morning...
08:42 PM roycroft: the other person must have offered him money or a trade
08:43 PM roycroft: and if that was not the original deal then it sucks
08:44 PM roycroft: but you've only been looking for 17 seconds, so keep looking
08:45 PM {HD}: roycroft: Yea sucks...and it was free...ugh...
08:50 PM {HD}: I just responded again thanking him for the info and to let me know if it falls through or he changes his mind...I guess Ill keep looking. I have RSS feeds setup for several searches on CL.
08:51 PM roycroft: if you're looking for something at market value it might take a few months on cl
08:52 PM roycroft: if you're looking for something that's a really great deal it might take a few years on cl
08:52 PM roycroft: patience is a virtue :)
08:53 PM {HD}: roycroft: I am not patient. When I have a hobby/idea I need to do it now or it will die or be forgotton.
08:53 PM gregcnc: heh, i had a guy call to tell me he changed his mind and wasn't interested in something I had this week.
08:54 PM {HD}: I hate when people post stuff for $1 then in the item description it says $1000...Stupid!
08:54 PM {HD}: gregcnc: What are you selling?
08:54 PM gregcnc: a couple Ø2" boring bars
08:55 PM roycroft: if you are not patient then you need to be wealthy
08:55 PM roycroft: if you're not wealthy then you need to learn patience
08:55 PM {HD}: gregcnc: I hope to someday need to buy boring bars...
08:56 PM * roycroft bars the boring
08:56 PM gregcnc: well if you're sure you'll eventually get a lathe, start buying cheap tooling
09:00 PM {HD}: What I really need to do is setup push notifications or just email on my phone. That way I can be first in line more frequently.
09:01 PM jdh: you don't have email on your phone?
09:01 PM roycroft: when the right lathe for you is posted you'll be the one who gets it
09:01 PM jdh: are you some creepy old d00d?
09:01 PM roycroft: when you miss out on deals they're not the right deals for you
09:01 PM jdh: I've been waiting for the right lathe for several years.
09:02 PM Tom_L: patience young one
09:06 PM {HD}: roycroft: I like your mentality...
09:07 PM {HD}: jdh: I have the ability to have email on my phone I just choose not to because it is just another reason for it to beep in my pocket.
09:07 PM {HD}: I am instead going to have my desktop client filter results based on keywords and only push(growl/prowl) important things to my phone.
09:09 PM jdh: I have seen many good deals on mill. zero good deals on lathes.
09:09 PM jdh: but, I live in a desolate spot, machinery-wise.
09:09 PM jdh: cali/kansas/ohio seem to have lots
09:11 PM {HD}: jdh: I am in the South-eastern Mid-west and there seems to be some pretty good options in compairison to what I see other people dealing with.
09:13 PM roycroft: you're near the rust belt, if not in it
09:13 PM roycroft: i'm days away from the rust belt
09:13 PM roycroft: addrssing {hd}
09:15 PM {HD}: Finding local supply places is still difficult...I have a pretty good HSS supplier but not a great aluminum supplier and I tooling is pretty limited...
09:16 PM {HD}: Hollow Structrual Steel...not high speed steel...
09:47 PM XXCoder: yay captain idsillusion have started captioning videos
10:19 PM Crom_: Back in Morro Bay
10:20 PM XXCoder: yay
10:20 PM Crom_: Heh braking circuit, diode, Zener diode, resistor works good
10:20 PM Crom_: If spins one way
10:21 PM Crom_: Weather still nice about 18c right now
10:21 PM Crom_: 1951 time wise
10:21 PM roycroft:
10:22 PM XXCoder:
10:22 PM Crom_: City wide garage sale today and tomorrow... Damn VA.... I have no money
10:23 PM XXCoder: I saw link here, to tool trade. saw tons awesome tools but its 6 hour drive for me bleh
10:29 PM Crom_: Saw a radial arm saw and a table saw... No mills :(
10:45 PM {HD}: I hope surface grinder guy morning appointment falls through so he calls me.
11:04 PM R2E4_bevins: evening, morning. afternoon
11:04 PM Crom_: iPad locked up
11:04 PM Crom_: 'Ella r2e4
11:04 PM Crom_: Grrr... iPad spell check
11:04 PM Crom_: 'Ello
11:05 PM XXCoder: elio
11:05 PM R2E4_bevins: Well, got the remap figured out somewhat
11:30 PM Crom_: Ugh... Tablets suck... Bluetooth keyboards disconnect and screen timeouts ARGH#*^$*#$#*&$
11:35 PM XXCoder: R2E4_bevins: try to doc it