#linuxcnc Logs

Mar 20 2017

12:06 AM Crom: which BOB?
12:08 AM xxcodercnc: dec
12:09 AM xxcodercnc: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/5-Axis-CNC-Breakout-Board-With-Optical-Coupler-for-MACH3-Stepper-Motor-Driver/32774074750.html
12:11 AM cncnoob2: Hey guys, how do I clear active codes from the MDI screen?
12:11 AM cncnoob2: specifically G28 and G30
12:12 AM xxcodercnc: usually theres g code t0o turn off whatever those are
12:12 AM xxcodercnc: but i dont iknow most gcode sadly
12:14 AM xxcodercnc: http://www.banggood.com/Blue-4-Digital-LED-Tachometer-RPM-Speed-Meter-with-Hall-Proximity-Switch-Sensor-NPN-p-1059544.html
12:14 AM Crom: on that BOB, usn in 5v, and 12-24 (Im using 27vdc into the middle 2 posts loabeled GND and 12-24v(in) the 2 terminals closed to the usb port is the relay NO pins. NC pin is not used on the relay
12:14 AM xxcodercnc: thats basically same as mine
12:14 AM Crom: s.\/usn/usb/
12:15 AM Crom: That is my BOB
12:15 AM FloppyDisk525: xxcodercnc http://www.ijohnsen.com/blog/linuxcnc-mach3-breakout-board/
12:16 AM xxcodercnc: 5 inputs
12:16 AM Crom: P10,P11,P12,P13,P15
12:17 AM xxcodercnc: "tool setting"
12:17 AM xxcodercnc: I guess thats automated touchoff for tool
12:17 AM Crom: PROBE
12:18 AM xxcodercnc: ahh
12:18 AM Crom: it's what ever you set in the config file.. I'm using P13 for PROBE
12:18 AM xxcodercnc: yea though im now thinking heh
12:19 AM xxcodercnc: I want to have tachmeter
12:19 AM xxcodercnc: spindle rpm feedback
12:19 AM xxcodercnc: but i also want to evenually have probe
12:19 AM Crom: spindle index... Im going to be using ethernet for tach
12:20 AM xxcodercnc: ya cheap cabling
12:20 AM Crom: got my ethernet shield in yesterday
12:20 AM xxcodercnc: I dont think I will ever tap so basic rpm is fine I think
12:21 AM Crom: nite nite I have early appointment
12:22 AM xxcodercnc: night
12:26 AM XXCoder: finally found it
12:26 AM XXCoder: http://www.ebay.com/itm/231637326487?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649
12:26 AM XXCoder: it says input can be 8v to 15v
12:26 AM XXCoder: I wonder if can do 5v
12:27 AM XXCoder: okay pasted url so I can see it there also lol
12:53 AM xxcodercnc: whew
12:53 AM xxcodercnc: almost done wiring
01:16 AM xxcodercnc: it works
01:16 AM xxcodercnc: led display dont work on 5v
01:40 AM XXCoder: I learned something
01:40 AM XXCoder: sensor only detects magnet, its not like induction
01:41 AM XXCoder: and its diffult to make magnet stay on spindle fan
01:41 AM chopper79: I am about to ditch this encoder idea.
01:42 AM XXCoder: yeah? why?
01:42 AM chopper79: Cheap prox sensor will pick up my index but the allegro sensors will not.
01:42 AM chopper79: Do not have room for the prox either
01:43 AM chopper79: Thinking about redoing the whole thing. Gear and all.
01:43 AM XXCoder: im thinking on what to do also
01:44 AM XXCoder: making magnet stay on at 12,000 rpm isnt easy I guess
01:45 AM chopper79: Used the allegro sensors on a 42 tooth gear from a cam shaft and the rpm works perfect. Use them on my gear which is 80 tooth and it is not reliable. So either the steel I used is not what is needed or I am not sure
01:45 AM chopper79: Used 1018 so it should be plenty fine
01:46 AM chopper79: Seems to work on cast iron well also. Which is making me wonder if the steel I made the gear from is the issue
01:47 AM XXCoder: magnet based sensor?
01:47 AM chopper79: yes
01:47 AM XXCoder: ah stainless steel>?
01:47 AM XXCoder: because that dont really react with magnets
01:47 AM chopper79: no good ol mild steel
01:47 AM XXCoder: hmm well see magnet stick to it?
01:47 AM chopper79: The sensors will stick to it no problem
01:48 AM chopper79: so should work, and it does but it is not reliable.
01:49 AM chopper79: The cheap prox sensor will pick that index up every rotation but the allegro sensor will not. This is just odd
01:49 AM XXCoder: maybe difference of sensor properies
01:49 AM chopper79: Allegro is once every 3-8 rotations
01:49 AM XXCoder: say one has weaker magent
01:50 AM chopper79: I really do not have time for this right now. At this moment I am not sure and may just need to do some more thinking and research.
01:50 AM chopper79: but the time factor is killing me
01:54 AM chopper79: https://www.rls.si/gts35-gts45-gear-tooth-sensor
01:54 AM chopper79: thought about getting one of these also
01:54 AM XXCoder: gray text on white yet again
01:54 AM chopper79: lol
01:55 AM XXCoder: cnc mill?
01:55 AM chopper79: yeah
01:55 AM XXCoder: interesting. how is it attached?
01:55 AM chopper79: Sick it through a hole and screw it down
01:56 AM chopper79: See the ear with the single hole?
01:56 AM XXCoder: yeah
01:56 AM XXCoder: peirced ear ;)
01:57 AM XXCoder: bore earring also. what a hipser sensor
01:57 AM chopper79: Thats your mount. Quadrature encoder in one housing with a single bolt mount. Simple
01:57 AM XXCoder: so it detects teeth passing
01:57 AM chopper79: yes
01:57 AM XXCoder: gear is part of kit or is it already on machine
01:58 AM chopper79: I will need to buy a gear or make one again.
01:58 AM chopper79: This is just the sensor.
01:58 AM XXCoder: interesting
01:58 AM XXCoder: I gonna figure what to do with my tachmeter
01:58 AM XXCoder: magnet flying off isnt good lol
01:58 AM XXCoder: zi lost it
02:00 AM XXCoder: display never worked though need to try again and see
02:09 AM MacGalempsy: good evening
02:09 AM XXCoder: yo
02:10 AM chopper79: evening
02:10 AM XXCoder: hmm whats best way to remove clip?
02:10 AM chopper79: dynamite
02:10 AM XXCoder: the almost circle thingy with tabs with holes
02:10 AM XXCoder: oh thats all
02:10 AM chopper79: yup
02:10 AM chopper79: C clip pliers
02:10 AM XXCoder: I'll just grab a bit from my kilotons in storage
02:11 AM chopper79: Most hardware stores or tool outlets will have c clip pliers.
02:12 AM XXCoder: http://www.ebay.com/itm/1pcs-Nail-Art-Shaping-Stainess-Steel-Clip-C-curve-Moulding-Pliers-Tools-/391658150822
02:12 AM XXCoder: too cheap type I think
02:12 AM Wolf_: snapring pliers
02:12 AM chopper79: snap ring that is the word I was hunting for
02:15 AM XXCoder: better and cheaper results.
02:15 AM XXCoder: http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-5-Needle-External-Straight-Nose-Circlip-Oil-Seal-Snap-Ring-Pliers-Tool-ZP-/172290985081
02:15 AM XXCoder: now lets see usa only
02:15 AM chopper79: Get a set with changable inserts.
02:15 AM chopper79: This will allow for different size rings to use it on
02:15 AM XXCoder: http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-4-in-1-Snap-Ring-Pliers-Plier-Set-Circlip-Combination-Retaining-Clip-WP-/112216692607
02:15 AM Wolf_: and that does internal/external
02:15 AM chopper79: That will work for light duty stuff
02:15 AM XXCoder: im gettung one to remove fan from my spindle
02:15 AM XXCoder: so can glue magnet inside. maybe.
02:15 AM chopper79: work just fine then
02:15 AM XXCoder: http://www.ebay.com/itm/4-pcs-Snap-Ring-Plier-Set-/282365605424
02:15 AM Wolf_: all of mine look like http://a.co/gh39uMk
02:15 AM chopper79: Same here... work well
02:15 AM CaptHindsight: the cheap ones feature force limiting tips, they bend before they break anything :)
02:16 AM chopper79: lol
02:16 AM chopper79: besides themselves....
02:16 AM Wolf_: or they launch the rings while you are trying to put them back on
02:16 AM CaptHindsight: just for fun
02:17 AM XXCoder: why is red 2 bucks more? lol
02:17 AM XXCoder: is it made from human blood mixed in plastic? :P
02:17 AM chopper79: They work faster.....red is always faster
02:17 AM Wolf_: red goes faster
02:17 AM CaptHindsight: also good luck
02:17 AM XXCoder: funny because right next entry is red, and only 5 cents more than yellow :P
02:18 AM chopper79: http://www.newark.com/honeywell/sng-qpla-000/speed-direction-sensor-4-wire/dp/52Y1832?mckv=6Q71i7of&gross_price=true&CATCI=aud-130326942038:pla-80746321461&CAAGID=20376569061&CMP=KNC-GUSA-GEN-SHOPPING-52Y1832&CAGPSPN=pla&gclid=CN6-pYG-5NICFVWewAoddzAAPA&CAWELAID=120185550001743158
02:18 AM CaptHindsight: good luck they might work, good luck you might get a good one
02:18 AM chopper79: may buy one tomorrow
02:20 AM XXCoder: http://www.ebay.com/itm/2pc-Engraving-Cnc-Router-Quick-Fix-Clamp-Fixture-Hold-Down-Working-Fixture-Chuck-/262855839298 wonder if good
02:21 AM XXCoder: wrong type I meant http://www.ebay.com/itm/Good-Hand-Vertical-Hold-Down-Toggle-Clamps-100-lb-cross-ref-201-U-2-/112336928706
02:22 AM XXCoder: I bet that is good for light engraving
02:28 AM XXCoder: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Red-Oak-Wood-Hold-Down-Clamps-Woodworking-CNC-Router-Inventables-/262879229558
02:28 AM XXCoder: worth it? lol
02:30 AM XXCoder: it could be. get initital clamps then I use it to hold down wood to make more,
02:33 AM chopper79: Well I have to be up in 4hrs so I guess I need to get to bed. Have a good one everybody
02:34 AM XXCoder: night
02:36 AM XXCoder: so Wolf_ what ya think heh
02:42 AM archivist: I think toggle clamps get in the way (too tall)
02:46 AM XXCoder: heh my recent cnc run had worse clamps
02:47 AM XXCoder: though Im getting those for engraving not for cutting stuff
02:48 AM XXCoder: arch I tested tach sensor on my machine
02:48 AM XXCoder: I lost magnet :P
02:48 AM XXCoder: I doubt it would stay on even if superglued on
02:48 AM XXCoder: so im considering gluing it inside the fan mount
02:48 AM XXCoder: plastic dont block magnet
03:04 AM IchGucksLive: Morning from Germany
03:04 AM XXCoder: hey ich
03:05 AM XXCoder: whats up
03:05 AM IchGucksLive: a long work week
03:05 AM XXCoder: tomorrow I return to work for 4 days yay :P
03:05 AM XXCoder: some work weeks just isnt fun
03:06 AM IchGucksLive: oh i think it will get as the bigest trade show is this wek included
03:06 AM IchGucksLive: but with 30 yungsters not that funny
03:06 AM XXCoder: sounds fun
03:06 AM XXCoder: ahh
03:07 AM IchGucksLive: ah the best cnc man is joining ;-)
03:08 AM XXCoder: hey droid
03:08 AM IchGucksLive: XXCoder: so i will be off thursday
03:08 AM XXCoder: yeah?
03:09 AM IchGucksLive: http://www.cebit.de/
03:09 AM XXCoder: you work for that site?
03:12 AM IchGucksLive: no
03:12 AM IchGucksLive: ordanary visitor
03:12 AM XXCoder: ahh ok
03:12 AM XXCoder: I ordered few of flip clamps as well as sone wood clamps
03:12 AM XXCoder: so I will have better clamps, and with those I can make more clamps if needed to.
03:14 AM IchGucksLive: ok i go clas room
03:14 AM IchGucksLive: by
03:53 AM XXCoder: bah ebay is being shitty today
04:17 AM XXCoder: gave up on paying via paypal, had to use card
04:25 AM Deejay: moin
05:18 AM jthornton: morning
05:21 AM XXCoder: hy jt
05:21 AM Deejay: heya
05:21 AM XXCoder: I worked on tach sensor for my router
05:22 AM XXCoder: I made a holder that worked, but magnet could not stay on spindle fan. I tried tape then foil to strength and more tape
05:22 AM XXCoder: lost magnet lol
05:22 AM XXCoder: and it was just 3k rpm.
05:22 AM XXCoder: I plan to glue magnet to INSIDE of fan so it stays firm there
05:22 AM Deejay: lol
05:22 AM Deejay: the magnet is now in your head?
05:22 AM XXCoder: lol thankfully no
05:22 AM Deejay: phew ;)
05:23 AM Deejay: in the wall? ;)
05:23 AM XXCoder: possinly
05:23 AM XXCoder: whats weird is display refuse to work
05:23 AM XXCoder: I plan to check it again
05:23 AM Deejay: ah, you break everything :/
05:23 AM XXCoder: 5v didnt work, but 12v did on sensor
05:23 AM Deejay: *duck and cover*
05:24 AM XXCoder: havent tried tach display on 12v
05:26 AM XXCoder: so whats up
05:27 AM jthornton: do you have to put something to balance the magnet on the opposite side?
05:27 AM XXCoder: I wonered about that. didnt seem to vibrate
05:27 AM XXCoder: there may be stuble wear
05:28 AM XXCoder: I'm thinking maybe 2 magnets or 4 in even arrangement, inside it should be easier.
05:37 AM MacGalempsy: xxcoder
05:37 AM XXCoder: yo
05:37 AM MacGalempsy: hey with linux mint cinnimon adding a command code at startup is pretty easy
05:38 AM XXCoder: yeah one of those script at startups
05:38 AM MacGalempsy: just go to autostartup and click add
05:38 AM MacGalempsy: no script needed
05:38 AM XXCoder: I was thinking shell command
05:39 AM MacGalempsy: even easier. startup applications > add > custom command
05:39 AM MacGalempsy: name it and add the terminal command line
05:40 AM MacGalempsy: done
05:40 AM XXCoder: im sure it get added to one of thoe
05:40 AM MacGalempsy: probably
05:40 AM MacGalempsy: but that was fast
05:40 AM XXCoder: so whats up
05:41 AM MacGalempsy: we are trying to get back to bottom.
05:42 AM MacGalempsy: so im messing w linuxmint on the laptop
05:42 AM MacGalempsy: trying to figure out how to pull up the embedded keyboard
05:43 AM MacGalempsy: it comes on at boot, but cant figure out how to use it after the machine boots
05:44 AM XXCoder: software keyboard?
05:44 AM MacGalempsy: kinda, but actually built into the mtherboard
05:46 AM MacGalempsy: http://theawesomer.com/photos/2011/04/040111_acer_iconia_6120_4.jpg
05:47 AM XXCoder: oh thts not embedded
05:47 AM XXCoder: likely its usb keyboard
05:48 AM MacGalempsy: touchscreen
05:48 AM MacGalempsy: i can see it with less /proc/bus/input/devices
05:49 AM MacGalempsy: but not sure how to turn it on
05:49 AM XXCoder: oh
05:54 AM XXCoder: sometimes it seems theres plenty of ironic emails
05:54 AM XXCoder: like "just for you!" email about some music thing
05:54 AM XXCoder: yeeah its so specific to me..
05:57 AM XXCoder: and indiegogo just emails me, "here's carbon fiber gruit you will like!"
05:57 AM XXCoder: whatever that music thingy is called
06:20 AM archivist: MacGalempsy, I bet that uses a driver
06:26 AM MacGalempsy: archivist it shows up and works when the bios boots up
06:27 AM MacGalempsy: just after linux mint boots i cant find it
06:27 AM archivist: mint wont know a thing until its been taught
06:28 AM archivist: it may well be an input device but it needs "starting"
06:28 AM archivist: this would be the drivers job
06:28 AM MacGalempsy: ok. i will search on that
06:29 AM archivist: or some noddy program to leave an icon somewhere
06:29 AM MacGalempsy: there are other virtual keyboards in the app manager, but none have the mouse touchpad
06:30 AM MacGalempsy: noddy?
06:30 AM archivist: a derogatory word for "app"
06:31 AM MacGalempsy: heh
06:35 AM archivist: when men were men we ran "programs"
06:45 AM XXCoder: yep lol
06:51 AM gonzo_: they were hewn from granite, in assembler
06:52 AM XXCoder: assembler hah
06:52 AM XXCoder: modern stuff
06:52 AM XXCoder: my keyboard had just 2 buttons, 0 1 and backdelete
06:52 AM XXCoder: though 1 was a recent addition that time
06:52 AM gonzo_: buttons?! them were switches
06:53 AM gonzo_: and were glad for the price of a cup o' tea
06:53 AM XXCoder: heh there was remake of popular home hobby computer
06:53 AM XXCoder: switches and leds
06:54 AM XXCoder: and now remake of nokia phone
06:54 AM XXCoder: one that god armor themselves with
06:54 AM XXCoder: *gods
06:54 AM archivist: my first was a science of cambridge MK14 uncle clives first mistake
06:55 AM archivist: I should say one of his mistakes, there are many
06:55 AM XXCoder: https://c1.staticflickr.com/8/7642/16836529299_d82fc4aa4e_b.jpg ?
06:56 AM archivist: yes
06:56 AM XXCoder: highly advanced.
06:56 AM XXCoder: why is it mistake?
06:56 AM archivist: hardly usable and small memory
06:57 AM XXCoder: heh that reminds me of "tablet" computer
06:57 AM XXCoder: it had 4k memory
06:57 AM XXCoder: upgrade to 8k lol
06:57 AM archivist: take an hour to type in the hex to crash on the moon
06:57 AM archivist: bits not bytes!
06:57 AM gonzo_: the first I used was a microtan, though the first I owned was a zx81
06:58 AM XXCoder: first computer I owned was ibm xt
06:58 AM XXCoder: I played with basic a bunch
06:58 AM XXCoder: those magazine basic stuff he
06:58 AM XXCoder: too bad it had no disk and no hard drive so couldnt save anything
06:58 AM archivist: later on I abused a PET http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=pet+pd
06:59 AM gonzo_: I did upgrade to an oric, which googling turns out to be the same people who made the microtan. Never knew that!
06:59 AM XXCoder: I wish I still have that ibm xt
06:59 AM XXCoder: but it rusted :(
07:00 AM XXCoder: PET definitely interesting
07:00 AM gonzo_: we did have some PETs at school. The FDDs used to overheat, so we had the lid propped open with lave mains exposed. Would make people cringe these days
07:00 AM XXCoder: you fixed it?
07:00 AM archivist: dont leave a battery in your collectable http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=ibm+pd+rt
07:00 AM XXCoder: ow
07:00 AM gonzo_: fixed = open the case
07:01 AM XXCoder: I wonder if 8 bit guy could fix that
07:01 AM XXCoder: gonzo_: that was o arch on his PET
07:01 AM archivist: my pet has a ram fault now
07:02 AM gonzo_: I wasn't aloowed to mod stuff as a 10yo. though later I used to strip and rebuild the schook BBC machines
07:02 AM archivist: I owned mine so abuse is allowed
07:03 AM gonzo_: someone asked me to 'fix' an old mac, which the batt had eaten about 1/4 of the pcb away
07:03 AM XXCoder: heh my first home built computer took me 6 months to do
07:03 AM XXCoder: 20 bucks a month saving up
07:04 AM XXCoder: and some side jobs and stuff
07:04 AM XXCoder: mowed grass and shit like that
07:04 AM XXCoder: ram was crazy hard :(
07:05 AM gonzo_: individual DIL ran chips?
07:05 AM XXCoder: no
07:05 AM gonzo_: that you had to 'crunch' back down every few months
07:05 AM XXCoder: expensive and nobody sell used
07:05 AM archivist: it helped I had a proper job when I got the pet, also we were importing S100 boards from america so I got one for the pet
07:06 AM XXCoder: most of stuff was used lol
07:06 AM gonzo_: was the pet S100 based?
07:06 AM archivist: no
07:06 AM XXCoder: 386 sx 33 mhz lol
07:06 AM XXCoder: 4 mb ram cost me $200, half off :)
07:06 AM archivist: that was a mod
07:07 AM gonzo_: ok, yoiu had bme doubting my mem there
07:07 AM archivist: I made an interface card between the PET and S100
07:08 AM XXCoder: sx = no math coprocessor :P
07:09 AM gonzo_: I rescued an S100 system from a skip. Got it powreed up but no sw on it. It was buried in sawdust and the HD unit was in there too, but to big to get out
07:09 AM XXCoder: you guys was earlier and more advanced than me sadly
07:10 AM gonzo_: older and more grizzled
07:10 AM XXCoder: and richer lol
07:10 AM gonzo_: I lost interest in computers once the ibm pc came along, and never got that interest back
07:10 AM gonzo_: (and I am now writing PC sw for a liivng!)
07:11 AM gonzo_: living
07:11 AM XXCoder: lol
07:11 AM XXCoder: irony
07:11 AM archivist: what sort?
07:11 AM XXCoder: know what? I was working on getting IT or CS job when I was slowly assembling and researching cnc router
07:11 AM XXCoder: guess what?
07:11 AM jthornton: copying the hexadecimal value to the PLC bits scheme worked like a champ on the cover tester
07:11 AM XXCoder: I run cnc machines at work. who'd have thought.
07:12 AM gonzo_: low level embedded is what I am best at. But now the company thinks that a PC in a metal box is an embedded system, so that;s what I do
07:12 AM gonzo_: point of sale/ticket machines is what I work on
07:12 AM XXCoder: I loved asm class, I'd have loved work in asm but dunno
07:13 AM archivist: I was later doing printer code
07:13 AM archivist: so the other end of the paralel/serial port :)
07:13 AM XXCoder: gonzo_: btw I was perfect example on how really poor can have pretty nice stuff. computer same one as I built for just $500 was $1200 new or so
07:14 AM XXCoder: and slowly across time'
07:14 AM XXCoder: ram was nasty as it was 2/5 of total price lol
07:15 AM gonzo_: background is HW design, ended up driftinmg into low level embedded, as that needs HW knowledge. But the place I work at, here seems to be little understanding of specialisations in SW, as managers can't 'see' software. So have ended up doing PC stuff
07:15 AM archivist: we had to spend a lot on a ram card for the PC while I was designing a PCB in the late 1980's
07:15 AM XXCoder: I was slowing doing same for cnc router. thats why i still have ball screws and SBRs so on thats now useless.
07:15 AM gonzo_: all my home PC/server HW is behind the curve stuff. ie. otjher people's cast offs
07:16 AM gonzo_: but on a CNC topic... I got the bridgeport conversion x and Y homing
07:16 AM XXCoder: nice! I recently designed and 3d printed sensor for my spindle rpm
07:17 AM XXCoder: *holder
07:17 AM gonzo_: need to re-eng the Z stepper mount to allow me to tension the drive belt and I can have Z running too
07:17 AM gonzo_: ah, the whole spindle drive is TBD here. Not even thought about that
07:17 AM * jthornton takes another stab at learning C
07:18 AM archivist: that reminds me this is up in a few minutes http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Bridgeport-10-x-52-Table-Ball-Screw-Nut-CNC-Conversion-/132124876973
07:18 AM archivist: gonzo_, ^
07:18 AM XXCoder: c is pretty simple, just be aware of what youre doing, since you can leak memory and stuff lol
07:18 AM jthornton: how do you leak memory?
07:18 AM XXCoder: heh memory alloc then not free
07:19 AM archivist: or free the wrong amount
07:19 AM gonzo_: I have a chin ese VFD for the motor, but wondering if I canj get the pc to chat on rs485 to it, or justr go with 0-10V analogue
07:19 AM XXCoder: char[x] wally = malloc(x * sizeof(char)); free(wally);
07:19 AM jthornton: ah I've not got to alloc or malloc yet
07:20 AM gonzo_: archivist, ohhh, will see what it goes for, in 5sec
07:21 AM archivist: I thought about it just to get the ball screw
07:21 AM XXCoder: im sure I got code slightly wrong, been a while lol
07:21 AM XXCoder: it also doesnt check for any errors on malloc which is nono lol
07:21 AM gonzo_: mine cost me about 250£ per axis to put ballscrews on the X and Y
07:22 AM XXCoder: bidding have ended
07:22 AM XXCoder: 271 euro basically
07:22 AM archivist: that was just 12 miles north of me
07:22 AM XXCoder: *171
07:22 AM gonzo_: remachining up the cast nut block to take the ballsnuts was prob the most 'interesting'
07:23 AM gonzo_: there is a local cnc machine supplies place that will supply preloaded double ballnuts on and do the screw end profiling (for a charge)
07:23 AM gonzo_: zapp automation. Good chaps
07:26 AM archivist: a long way for me
07:26 AM gonzo_: zapp, or derby?
07:27 AM archivist: zapp
07:27 AM gonzo_: mail order
07:27 AM Mac-Phone is now known as MacGalempsy
07:27 AM archivist: I am near beer town Burton upon Trent
07:27 AM MacGalempsy: looks the the correct driver is a cypress truetouch gen4
07:28 AM gonzo_: I was about to order stuff from them before I realised ther are within walking distance
07:28 AM archivist: hehe
07:28 AM archivist: yesterday I went to Derby to get cheap petrol
07:28 AM gonzo_: have done that before. only to have someone show up at the door an hour later.
07:29 AM sync_: haha
07:29 AM sync_: nice
07:30 AM gonzo_: I'm originally a shropshire lad, so not far away
07:46 AM MacGalempsy: Archivist: it looks like a windows driver can be finagled to work. will try that
08:03 AM MacGalempsy: adios
08:37 AM R2E4_bevins_2: mornin
10:09 AM {HD}: Oh ground loops how I loathe/don't understand thee.
10:12 AM archivist: imagine them as a coil and you conduct noise into them magnetically or as a resistor, common mode noise injection with current through the wire
10:23 AM {HD}: archivist: What are the symptoms of having a ground loop?
10:46 AM archivist: electrical noise, it can have many effects
10:47 AM archivist: from missed steps to extra steps on a stepper system, a servo system could "see" counts from an encoder
10:48 AM archivist: I had the spindle VFD cause steps on my rotary
10:48 AM archivist: audio people often get hum and noise from it
10:48 AM {HD}: archivist: That is what my concern is! I am hooking up a VFD today and I am trying to figure out cable routing and grounding to make it the best possible.
10:49 AM {HD}: archivist: Is there a way to check for ground loops before it messes something up? Like a test circuit or something.
10:49 AM archivist: screen the cables if possible
10:50 AM archivist: there are a number of internet resources showing the classic single point ground also known as star point
10:51 AM archivist: you have a loop if there are two ways for current to get to ground
10:51 AM Simonious: Anybody got a good manual for the DM2722A? http://www.ebay.com/itm/Top-Rank-Nema-42-stepper-motor-4210-oz-in-Stepper-driver-DM2722A-9-8A-200MicCNC-/281223878643?hash=item417a3fd7f3:g:LNIAAOxyTP1SOATq In particular I'd like to learn more about the RJ45 port it has.
11:00 AM Simonious: huh, not even the guys at CNCzone found anything :( http://www.cnczone.com/forums/machinery-manuals-brochures/238940-manual-dm2722a-stepper-driver-9-8a.html
11:18 AM CaptHindsight: you want Chinaco and docs?!
11:18 AM {HD}: Simonious: Wow, I have not seen that driver before. When I bought my wantai drivers from ebay I emailed the seller and they had a whole .zip archive of every document and reference including 3d models.
11:19 AM {HD}: CaptHindsight: Sometimes you get lucky.
11:19 AM CaptHindsight: just docs or accurate docs?
11:20 AM CaptHindsight: "you buy now, me make money"
11:20 AM {HD}: my archive even had a microsoftword document with 1k screen shots of every mach3 setting...
11:21 AM archivist: those sorts of docs are often produced in other countries
11:22 AM archivist: I know some get done in the UK not far from me
11:26 AM {HD}: archivist: Would not surprise me if these docs were hijacked from a better seller or organization. The 1k mach3 screen shots did seem very chinesey tho.
11:28 AM archivist: the rebuild an X3 head is one I know the source of
11:28 AM archivist: its amusing that it goes out with a new machine
11:54 AM {HD}: how do you guys feel about 80/20? I am thinking of using it for my build.
11:59 AM archivist: are cutting plastic,wood,ali,steel
12:00 PM {HD}: if that is a question and it is directed towards the 80/20 then yes all of the above.
12:00 PM archivist: you want a bet somewhat stiffer for steel work
12:01 PM archivist: bed
12:01 PM {HD}: archivist: Steel would be my least machined material. I have not designed my bed yet but i am thinking of going with a 4'x4' cutting area.
12:02 PM archivist: you can use ali but will need stiffening
12:03 PM {HD}: I guess I could weld up a steel frame for much cheaper than using 80/20 but, my concern is the ability to tweak it if needed.
12:04 PM archivist: here it is designed in stiffness
12:04 PM archivist: thin steel can be as bad
12:09 PM {HD}: I saw a build on youtube.com from 'this old tony' where he welds a frame from industrial tube steel and fills it with sand. I like that idea.
12:13 PM archivist: get a length of tube place on two blocks with a dti in the middle, see how far it bends with a cutting (lean on it)
12:14 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
12:16 PM {HD}: archivist: Seems like a reasonable test...I will try that.
12:16 PM {HD}: Off to hook up my new vfd!
12:43 PM Simonious: {HD}: I sent an email to a supplier.. it'll be in China, but maybe I'll have an answer tomorrow.
01:04 PM roycroft: *sigh*
01:04 PM roycroft: i'm #2 in the queue for this lathe
01:04 PM roycroft: that seems to be where i always am
01:04 PM roycroft: and #1 always gets it
01:24 PM IchGucksLive: hi
01:27 PM {HD}: roycroft: How does that work? is it an auction? Lottery? what?
01:27 PM roycroft: cl posting
01:27 PM {HD}: Oh, so just fcfs
01:27 PM roycroft: i was the second person to respond to the ad
01:27 PM roycroft: yes
01:28 PM {HD}: I want a lathe too but, I have never found anything on CL that has a decent price for what it is.
01:28 PM roycroft: this is the fourth or fifth lathe in a month where i've said "i have cash in hand"
01:28 PM roycroft: and every time i've been #2
01:28 PM roycroft: and every time so far #1 bought it
01:28 PM {HD}: roycroft: Damn! What is the price point your lookin at?
01:28 PM roycroft: $2k max is what i want to spend
01:29 PM roycroft: the latest on is a current model grizzly 12x36 for $1800
01:29 PM roycroft: one
01:29 PM roycroft: it's $3k at grizzly
01:30 PM {HD}: lol I could buy this for $130
01:30 PM {HD}: https://images.craigslist.org/00j0j_aoyIvL4Lwmw_1200x900.jpg
01:31 PM roycroft: machinery is very expensive around here
01:31 PM roycroft: $1800 is actually a great price for that lathe in this part of the world
01:31 PM {HD}: I believe there is a recent uptick in pricing. Seems, more people are interested now a days.
01:31 PM roycroft: http://www.grizzly.com/products/12-x-36-Gear-Head-Cam-Lock-Spindle-Gap-Bed-Lathe/G4003
01:32 PM roycroft: that is the one
01:32 PM {HD}: 5yrs ago I could buy old stuff CHEAP
01:32 PM roycroft: the problem here is that we're really far away from the rust belt
01:32 PM roycroft: and there's never been a lot of manufacturing around here
01:32 PM roycroft: i'm in oregon
01:32 PM {HD}: roycroft: That looks nice. I would pay 1800 for that.
01:32 PM roycroft: we do logging and fishing
01:33 PM roycroft: it's the exact size lathe i want for a manual lathe
01:33 PM roycroft: i might even cnc that one if i get it
01:33 PM {HD}: I wish you luck!
01:33 PM roycroft: thanks
01:33 PM roycroft: i'm not holding my breath
01:33 PM roycroft: if i don't get this one, there will be others
01:34 PM roycroft: i do have a self-imposed deadline to get one though
01:34 PM roycroft: 6 may
01:34 PM roycroft: that is the date of the grizzly tent sale in bellingham
01:34 PM roycroft: so if i don't find a lathe by then i'm going to drive up and try to get a deal on one at the grizzly warehouse
01:37 PM {HD}: roycroft: Closes grizzley showroom to me is 9 hours away =(
01:39 PM {HD}: LOL this does NOT make me want to buy it... https://images.craigslist.org/00G0G_CIqygeklU9_600x450.jpg
01:40 PM sync_: oh god
01:40 PM archivist: round column machines are terrible
01:42 PM archivist: I had an earlier version of one, terrible beast, made a reasonable drill
01:42 PM {HD}: archivist: Your right its that round column thats a turn off...
01:45 PM roycroft: the one in washington is 6 hours away
01:45 PM archivist: no images on the web for the version I had
01:45 PM roycroft: but it's a pleasant drive
01:45 PM roycroft: and i used to live in bellingham, so it would be good to go there - i can catch up with old friends and the like
01:45 PM roycroft: even if the tent sale is a bust for me the trip would be worthwhile
01:46 PM {HD}: roycroft: what do you think you could get a new one for? At the tent sale…
01:46 PM roycroft: i've never been to one of their tent sales, but from what i hear, many items are available brand new with a 10% showroom discount
01:47 PM roycroft: the real deals are on the "scratch-n-dent" items in the tents
01:47 PM roycroft: and they can be up to 50% off
01:47 PM roycroft: and i've heard also that frequently the only problem is tha the motor is missing
01:47 PM roycroft: which is fine, as i'd want to put a 3 phase motor and vfd o n the thing anyway
01:48 PM archivist: you can get a local motor instead if a fried chinese one
01:48 PM roycroft: unfortunately metric dimension motors are generally way more expensive than those in american customary dimensions
01:49 PM roycroft: but i can get a 2hp leeson in metric dimensions for $150 or so on a good day
01:49 PM roycroft: and that's a decent motor
01:49 PM roycroft: and i could mount an american customary motor easily - just a motor mount change and a different sheave
01:50 PM roycroft: that all said, i own several grizzly machines and i've never had a problem with the motor on any of them
01:51 PM roycroft: their first warehouse opened in 1983 about 3 blocks away from me, and i've been a customer since they first opened their doors
01:52 PM {HD}: Cool, I have worked on grizzley machines but I don't own any.
01:52 PM {HD}: I have a grizzly surface plate!
01:54 PM archivist: grizzly is starting to appear in EU in discount shops small battery drills and things
01:55 PM archivist: a german offshoot http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=grizzly
02:04 PM {HD}: I don't remember who I was talking too about braking resistors and parts of the board on HY inverters that were not populated but! I got my HY inverter and there are no blatenly unpopulated areas. I will have to read about how to enable the brakeing resistor and try it out...
02:07 PM roycroft: serveral folks were discussing it with you, including myself
02:08 PM roycroft: and i think i posted a link to a site that discusses retrofitting those vfds with the braking circuitry
02:08 PM archivist: my external resistor exploded on one vfd :)
02:09 PM {HD}: archivist: Wow!
02:09 PM archivist: it was a bit of a bodge
02:09 PM roycroft: it dumped too much current
02:10 PM sync_: energy.
02:10 PM sync_: it is all about the energy
02:10 PM roycroft: it is always conserved
02:10 PM roycroft: and that's the law
02:10 PM archivist: my old mill has some mass to slow down
02:12 PM {HD}: roycroft: Looking at this link http://www.machsupport.com/forum/index.php/topic,14182.180.html
02:13 PM {HD}: Some of those picture have things I don't have.
02:13 PM {HD}: =(
02:14 PM {HD}: http://i.imgur.com/TWKgtcC.jpg this is the picture I took when I was in there earlier today.
02:17 PM IchGucksLive: im off gn8
02:24 PM roycroft: do you have that igbt on your vfd?
02:24 PM roycroft: it looks like the one on that mach forum post has 3 ibgts
02:25 PM roycroft: i don't remember what mine looks like - it's been several months since i tested the braking resistor
02:25 PM roycroft: but i did pull that vfd out this past weekend as part of some tidying up i was doing, so i might be able to take a look at it this evening
02:26 PM {HD}: roycroft: I don't know which picture represents the ibgts(i dont know what those are)
02:26 PM roycroft: they're transistors
02:26 PM roycroft: the bottom picture in that post shows them
02:26 PM roycroft: three of them side-by-side
02:27 PM roycroft: little dark grey boxes with 3 legs each going down
02:27 PM {HD}: these http://www.machsupport.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=14182.0;attach=24837;image
02:27 PM roycroft: yes
02:27 PM roycroft: they handle the load switching to the braking resistor
02:28 PM {HD}: I guess those are on the bottom of the 2nd board. I did not lift that up.
02:28 PM roycroft: and they will get hot
02:28 PM roycroft: so if you install them be sure to add a heat sink
02:28 PM {HD}: I have not hooked it up yet because I am not sure the spindle to vfd wireing configuration so, I can take it back apart before I hook it up.
02:28 PM roycroft: that's only 3 wires
02:29 PM roycroft: you can install them in any order
02:29 PM roycroft: if the spindle spins the opposite way from what you expect swap any two of them
02:33 PM {HD}: roycroft: And I should be able to tell which is ground by continuity check between spindle body and pins
02:36 PM roycroft: er, 4 wires if there's a ground
02:36 PM roycroft: what colors are the spindle wires?
02:37 PM {HD}: roycroft: Um...None they are not exposed just 1,2,3,4.
02:43 PM yeltrow: Has anyone here used LinuxCNC to 3D print?
02:44 PM Cromaglious_: https://m.xkcd.com/1810/ too funny...
02:49 PM {HD}: well, none of the 4 pins are connected to body...so, I guess its 1,2,3 for 3phase and 4 for ground but, I really don't know.
02:57 PM roycroft: the gound wire would generally be green or brown
03:00 PM {HD}: roycroft: I would have to take apart the spindle in order to tell that.
03:00 PM roycroft: oh, it only has terminal logs visible/
03:00 PM roycroft: ?
03:01 PM {HD}: Yes, it looks like a GX 16–4.
03:01 PM {HD}: Connector.
03:01 PM roycroft: check for continuity from each connector lug to the spindle body
03:02 PM {HD}: I did. There was no continuity.
03:07 PM yeltrow: Here's a good one: Why can't I remap M104 to a custom file, but I can REMAP M404 to a custom file?
03:08 PM skunkworks: yeltrow, check your forum post
03:11 PM yeltrow: skunkworks, thanks. So how is it that the machinekit guys can pull it off? Is there anything I can do about it?
03:11 PM skunkworks: I *think* the machinekit guys made it so the M100 - M198 are remappable.
03:12 PM skunkworks: but I don't follow them too close.
03:13 PM skunkworks: You could probably make a input filter that changes the M104 to something else. Otherwise look though the machinekit git commits to see what they did. i don't know if that is something that could be added to linuxcnc
03:14 PM skunkworks: https://github.com/machinekit/machinekit/pull/405
03:17 PM yeltrow: I think part of the problem might be that I don't really know how to use the M100-M199 block of user defined Mcodes. I think there is a different way they get configured.
03:17 PM skunkworks: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/gcode/m-code.html#mcode:m100-m199
03:18 PM skunkworks: that is the conventional way
03:19 PM skunkworks: which might do what you want
03:28 PM yeltrow: What kind of potential problems could there be if one allowed M100-M199 to be remapped? Is it something to do with some fire-and-forget execution the interpreter does? Seems innocent enough.
03:33 PM JT-Shop: whew finally delivered the cover tester... clean up on aisle 3
03:49 PM yeltrow: skunkworks: Thanks. I did create a shell script that I could get to fire off. Machinekit must have changed the interpreter. I haven't found where yet.
03:49 PM yeltrow: M104 the executable works. M104 will not remap for me.
03:51 PM yeltrow: I am considering making M104 a python program that has hal imported to run the calls I need. I just can't figure out what people "normally do" when they want to use Slic3r to feed linuxcnc as a 3d printer.
03:57 PM JT-Shopp: you could run the G code through a script to strip out all the M codes if you just manually control your heater
03:59 PM JT-Shopp is now known as JT-Shop
04:32 PM * JT-Shop celebrates the completion of the machine with a Weihenstephaner
04:33 PM roycroft: a weihenstephaner what?
04:33 PM roycroft: they make a lot of different beers
04:34 PM JT-Shop: original premium
04:35 PM roycroft: aah, the helles
04:35 PM roycroft: nice beer
04:36 PM JT-Shop: yea I have to import it from cape girardeau
04:36 PM roycroft: i've been thinking about brewing a helles for my next lager
04:37 PM JT-Shop: I like how clean the taste is
04:38 PM roycroft: yeah, it's a nice clean lager
04:38 PM roycroft: a bit hoppy, but they're noble hops
04:39 PM roycroft: i'm pretty used to drinking fruity english ales, but a good lager is always nice
04:40 PM roycroft: speaking of which, i was able to clean/sanitize a bunch of kegs yesterday, but ran out of time to keg the bitter that i just made
04:40 PM roycroft: i should try to do that tonight
04:40 PM JT-Shop: I have another week before racking the elderberry
04:41 PM roycroft: nice
04:41 PM roycroft: i could have kegged last weekend but i did not have any clean kegs
04:41 PM roycroft: now i do :)
04:49 PM os1r1s: JT-Shop Got time for a quick question about auto toolsetters?
04:49 PM roycroft: os1r1s
04:50 PM roycroft: jt-shop is drinking good german beer now
04:50 PM roycroft: do not bother him with mundane things like machining questions :)
04:50 PM os1r1s: roycroft Doesn't that make it a better time? :)
04:51 PM JT-Shop: lol
04:51 PM JT-Shop: os1r1s: just ask your question there may be many that can answer it'
04:52 PM roycroft: you should change your nick to jt-chillin :)
04:53 PM os1r1s: I was thinking about putting a electronic toolsetter on the table. And I was thinking about making it one of the work offsets (G59) for when I want to set various tool lengths against a reference tool
04:53 PM os1r1s: Good Idea, Bad Idea, is there a better way to do it?
04:57 PM JT-Shop: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/gcode/g-code.html#gcode:g10-l11
05:01 PM Deejay: gn8
05:01 PM JT-Shop: I'm actually working on the next machine...
06:48 PM {HD}: What kind of coolant do you guys run in a "water cooled spindle"?
06:53 PM jdh: premixed antifreeze
06:55 PM {HD}: So, 100% premized antifreeze? The orange stuff?
06:55 PM jdh: yes
07:12 PM R2E4_bevins: evenin!
07:24 PM {HD}: jdh: I thought I had a container of antifreeze here somewhere but, cannot find it. Ill go buy this in the morning. http://www.autozone.com/antifreeze-radiator-additives-and-windshield-wash-fluid/antifreeze/prestone-antifreeze-and-coolant/87934_0_0 I think I can dilute it myself.
07:24 PM R2E4_bevins: I could drink a gallon of that about now....
07:25 PM {HD}: are you frozen?
07:26 PM R2E4_bevins: well.... that too
07:31 PM {HD}: so, just thirsty?
07:31 PM R2E4_bevins: no, angry at the world....
07:31 PM {HD}: Yikes! Sucide by Prestone!
07:31 PM R2E4_bevins: Precisely...
07:32 PM R2E4_bevins: lol
07:32 PM {HD}: suicide*
07:34 PM {HD}: Well I hope you don't have any laying around then.
07:34 PM {HD}: I am going to try pin 4 as earth and hope it doesnt blow up!
07:35 PM jdh: boom
07:35 PM R2E4_bevins: I dumped it all out before it got too bad...... But there is the radiator draining exercise thats available....
07:35 PM jdh: I have no recollection of why I used antifreeze
07:36 PM {HD}: jdh: I do read that it is pretty common. The anti corrosion properties appear to be quite benificial.
08:16 PM {HD}: It did not blow up but, I do realize I am not very fimilar with it and I have read about so many people burning theirs up with incorrect settings I decided to read some mroe.
08:16 PM {HD}: more*
08:16 PM R2E4_bevins: HD: what are you connecting?
08:17 PM {HD}: A huanyang vfd and 1.5kw spindle.
08:18 PM R2E4_bevins: AH....
08:18 PM R2E4_bevins: I have one of those
08:18 PM {HD}: You do! Tell me everything I need to know!
08:19 PM R2E4_bevins: I have it on a mach3 machine
08:20 PM {HD}: Are you using rs485 to mach3? I have read that the plugin doesnt allways work.
08:20 PM R2E4_bevins: No because the plugin doesnt work all the time...
08:20 PM R2E4_bevins: I have a pot and a switch on it
08:21 PM R2E4_bevins: I' am converting that machine next after I fix the bearings and rails
08:21 PM {HD}: R2E4_bevins: LOL. so, you just use mach3 for on/off?
08:21 PM R2E4_bevins: yes
08:22 PM {HD}: I am reading about the settings for it and it seems there is a lot of conflicting information.
08:22 PM R2E4_bevins: theres docs for setting this up in Lcnc
08:23 PM {HD}: I am more concerned with the VFD settings then the software settings. Software should be easy. I just want to make sure I don't burn it up.
08:23 PM R2E4_bevins: you using usb rs485 converter?
08:23 PM {HD}: R2E4_bevins: No, i will be using a 232 - 485 converter
08:23 PM R2E4_bevins: lol, you have a rs-232 port?
08:23 PM R2E4_bevins: they still make those?
08:24 PM {HD}: R2E4_bevins: Yea! They are great! I have 2 serial and 2 parallel ports on this machine.
08:24 PM R2E4_bevins: I remember those days......
08:25 PM {HD}: R2E4_bevins: I bought and installed pcie cards to get them. I like interfacing with them better than some usb options i've tried.
08:25 PM R2E4_bevins: is the rs232 port working?
08:25 PM R2E4_bevins: in Lcnc?
08:25 PM {HD}: R2E4_bevins: I don't know. I havent gotten that far. I don't have the 232-485 adapter yet and I just got the vfd today.
08:25 PM R2E4_bevins: getty that thing up and short pins 2 and 3 and type away.......
08:26 PM {HD}: R2E4_bevins: what will that do/tell me?
08:27 PM R2E4_bevins: if its working. pin 2 is tx 3 rx shorting them together you type characters it goes out tx and comes in on rx shows on the screen
08:28 PM R2E4_bevins: or visa versa for the pins, never remember.
08:28 PM R2E4_bevins: DB25 or DB9's?
08:28 PM {HD}: Oh! Well, that will be steps down the road. That machine is off to the side as I set up the rest of the cnc.
08:29 PM {HD}: R2E4_bevins: Um, 2 db25 parallel ports and 2 dp9 serial ports...i guess/think.
08:30 PM R2E4_bevins: serial ports will be male pins, parrallel ports will be female
08:30 PM {HD}: yep
08:30 PM jdh: surely nobody is making db25 serial ports anymore
08:34 PM R2E4_bevins: We use to install card access panels in the early 90's connecting to computer via serial ports. They all came with DB25's....lol
08:35 PM R2E4_bevins: I guess when they got done with modems, no need for them any more
08:36 PM R2E4_bevins: and/or terminals
08:36 PM jdh: didn't need db25 them
08:37 PM R2E4_bevins: to be certified they did because of pin 1 to frame
08:39 PM R2E4_bevins: If I remember correctly pin 1 on db25 was connect to frame ground and db9 didnt have it because it used all other 9 pins.
08:41 PM {HD}: R2E4_bevins: Do you live in the USA?
08:41 PM R2E4_bevins: no, in Canada
08:41 PM {HD}: Doh! I wan't to make sure my settings on this thing are correct. I guess I will look on the internets for someone who has listed all the settings.
08:42 PM {HD}: I noted all the setting that were preset by the seller but some are different than what I see on the internet.
08:52 PM {HD}: I guess I am relatively confident in the settings that the seller programmed....
08:59 PM R2E4_bevins: Can you call a python function from an o-word sub?
09:10 PM roycroft: well it looks like no lathe for me for a while
09:10 PM {HD}: NO!
09:10 PM roycroft: i'll be spending my lathe money on a new engine for my car
09:10 PM {HD}: Oh, well that sounds more important.
09:10 PM roycroft: yes
09:11 PM roycroft: the engine blew up today
09:11 PM {HD}: Suck! Why?
09:11 PM roycroft: i don't know
09:11 PM roycroft: but the tow truck had no problem finding me
09:11 PM roycroft: he followed my oil slick up the hill
09:11 PM roycroft: i was rather surprised
09:11 PM {HD}: Sounds like you blew out your watchamadoo
09:11 PM roycroft: i expected to have to replace the battery pack at any moment, not the engine
09:11 PM roycroft: the noise was pretty lound
09:11 PM roycroft: loud
09:12 PM roycroft: and then came the smoke
09:12 PM R2E4_bevins: did it throw rods or something catastropic?
09:12 PM roycroft: it's a prius
09:12 PM {HD}: Prius use oil?!
09:12 PM roycroft: something pretty catastropic
09:12 PM roycroft: when i turn it on the engine makes really bad noises
09:12 PM roycroft: so i don't turn it on any more
09:12 PM roycroft: and i hope i did not damage the battery pack
09:13 PM {HD}: lol, wise.
09:13 PM roycroft: i drained it completely before i was able to stop - this happened while going up a hill, and i had to drive a hundred meters or so before there was a place to pull off the road that was not a cliff
09:13 PM roycroft: it's bad to totally drain the battery pack
09:14 PM {HD}: and let me guess, a replacement battery pack cost the same as a new car?
09:14 PM roycroft: about $2k
09:14 PM roycroft: which is the cost of an engine as well
09:14 PM roycroft: the car is worth $5k (it's old and used)
09:14 PM roycroft: well, it was until this afternoon
09:14 PM {HD}: surprisingly cheap for what it is.
09:15 PM roycroft: my mechanic will be looking at it tomorrow
09:15 PM roycroft: so i'll have a better idea then what's going on
09:15 PM roycroft: this has not been my favorite day in history
09:16 PM roycroft: and my pickup needs a new carburettor
09:16 PM roycroft: i can drive it but it's not fun
09:16 PM roycroft: if it's going to take a while to fix the prius i'll probably get the carb and make the pickup work better
09:16 PM roycroft: but going from 42mpg combined to 17mpg would really be sucky
09:17 PM {HD}: roycroft: Either way grab a carb. Cheap enough to fix that. How old is that truck?
09:17 PM roycroft: it's an '88
09:17 PM roycroft: and i usually only drive it a couple hundred miles/year
09:17 PM roycroft: $350 for a carb
09:17 PM roycroft: that's why i haven't bothered to get one
09:17 PM R2E4_bevins: Why dont you rebuild the one in it?
09:18 PM roycroft: that is an option
09:18 PM roycroft: the rebuild kits are expensive, and it's a rather fiddly rebuild
09:19 PM roycroft: i haven't been interested in doing it myself, and to have my mechanic do it would cost about as much as getting a new one
09:19 PM roycroft: and right now it's my only vehicle
09:19 PM roycroft: i can swap carbs in 20 minutes
09:19 PM roycroft: i can't rebuild one that fast
09:19 PM roycroft: it's a toyota 22r
09:20 PM roycroft: i've thought about converting it to a 22re
09:20 PM roycroft: if i can find a complete fi setup at a wrecking yard that works
09:21 PM roycroft: at the end of the day, i don't like working on cars
09:21 PM roycroft: and i've done enough of it in my life that i'd prefer to pay someone else to do it these days
09:22 PM {HD}: I don't like working on cars either but, for easy stuff I cannot stand to pay for it.
09:22 PM roycroft: i will do oil changes and brakes and simple tuneups
09:22 PM roycroft: and pretty much leave the rest to my mechanic
09:22 PM roycroft: anyway, at least i have a running vehicle
09:22 PM {HD}: Yea same except I pay for oil changes because it is cheaper than buying oil and a filter....
09:23 PM roycroft: but i will have no lathe :(
09:23 PM {HD}: roycroft: That is the truely sad part!
09:23 PM roycroft: i have a little 7x14 lathe
09:23 PM roycroft: the tiny benchtop ones like you can get at harbor freight
09:23 PM {HD}: Oh, well at least you have something.
09:23 PM roycroft: but it's fairly useless
09:23 PM roycroft: and i need to turn things bigger than it can handle
09:24 PM roycroft: like the ball screws for my mill cnc conversion
09:24 PM roycroft: i might have to hire that out
09:24 PM roycroft: it will all work out eventually
09:24 PM roycroft: there are bad days, and there are good days
09:24 PM {HD}: roycroft: what mill are you running? Why not buy ball screws they are cheap from china.
09:24 PM roycroft: more of my days are not bad than are bad
09:25 PM roycroft: it's a mill/drill
09:25 PM roycroft: x3
09:25 PM roycroft: i just need the ends turned
09:25 PM roycroft: i have some that are too long
09:25 PM {HD}: grizzly?
09:25 PM roycroft: yes
09:26 PM roycroft: and it works fine manually
09:26 PM roycroft: i have a power feed on the x axis
09:26 PM roycroft: but there are things that need cnc
09:26 PM roycroft: and most things are faster with cnc
09:26 PM roycroft: so i would like it to be cnc'ed
09:26 PM {HD}: this? http://www.grizzly.com/products/Mill-Drill/G0463?utm_campaign=zPage&utm_source=grizzly.com
09:26 PM roycroft: plus, i have almost everything for the conversion already
09:26 PM roycroft: yes, that one
09:28 PM {HD}: I like the look of those. How do you cut out a circle on a manual mill?
09:28 PM roycroft: with a rotary table
09:30 PM {HD}: roycroft: Holy markup! http://www.grizzly.com/products/Benchtop-Retrofit-Kit-with-Stepper-Controls-and-Hardware/T24252?utm_campaign=zPage&utm_source=grizzly.com
09:32 PM {HD}: If I had a lathe the first thing I would make is a bolt action pen
09:45 PM roycroft: i've been planning on selling one of my vw buses
09:45 PM roycroft: perhaps i should focus on that for now - then i can pay for the new engine and a lathe both
09:46 PM {HD}: imagin that. A person in WA owning a VW bus...lol
10:07 PM Jymmm: This is kinda cool; EH shows stuff he's made from salvaged stuff including washing machines... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3dOpzU_p1E
10:20 PM roycroft: i'm in oregon
10:21 PM roycroft: but same difference, as far as vw bus owners go :)
10:21 PM {HD}: =)
10:24 PM toner: hi roycroft :)
10:24 PM toner: (ink from homebrew)
10:24 PM toner: what kind of bus is it?
10:25 PM toner: and how've you been?
10:32 PM roycroft: the one i'm selling is a '65 standard
10:32 PM roycroft: (split window)
10:32 PM roycroft: and i'm doing ok
10:32 PM roycroft: i haven't seen you for quite a while
10:40 PM toner: yeah, sure has been. I had a '69 camper for a while before someone stole it and drive it off a cliff (long story)
10:43 PM roycroft: i'm still homebrewing
10:43 PM toner: nice, me too. I've got a batch to keg this week actually
10:43 PM roycroft: i do too
10:43 PM roycroft: i just cleaned kegs yesterday
10:44 PM toner: still CNCing also, though not actually running linuxcnc yet
10:44 PM toner: I should change that ;)
10:44 PM roycroft: i had a major setback today
10:44 PM roycroft: i've been lathe shopping
10:44 PM toner: ah, what happened?
10:44 PM roycroft: and put the finishing bits of my cnc mill on hold until i get a new lathe
10:44 PM roycroft: which i need to make parts for the mill
10:44 PM roycroft: but the engine in my car blew up today
10:45 PM roycroft: so my lathe money is going to have to go to fixing the car :(
10:45 PM roycroft: which is why i'm taking about selling the '65
10:45 PM toner: eep
10:45 PM toner: ah, sorry to hear man
10:45 PM roycroft: i've been planning on selling it for a while, but never got around to cleaning it up and listing it
10:45 PM roycroft: the '65 is not running and has never run since i bought it ~10 years ago
10:46 PM roycroft: i was going to do an ev conversion, but i've lost interest in that project
10:47 PM toner: ah heh
10:47 PM toner: that would be a fun project, but hopefully not too much of a lead-sled
10:49 PM roycroft: a vw bus is actually a good candidate for an ev conversion, because it can handle a lot of weight and has lots of room for batteries
10:49 PM roycroft: but oh well
10:50 PM roycroft: i've upgraded my brew system since last i saw you
10:50 PM roycroft: i don't have pics of the current version, but this is it before i got a new kettle:
10:50 PM roycroft: http://zymurgasm.com/BrewSystem/BrewDay2/
10:51 PM toner: oh sweet
10:51 PM roycroft: all shiny and rimsy :)
10:51 PM toner: I've been putting off building my recirculating mash system for waay too long
10:51 PM roycroft: my old system was getting to be too much work
10:51 PM roycroft: climbing and lifting and stuff
10:51 PM toner: looks very nice :)
10:52 PM roycroft: a single tier setup with pumps to move stuff around is a lot easier on the back
10:52 PM toner: wow
10:52 PM toner: I bet
10:54 PM toner: very impressive
10:54 PM roycroft: thanks
10:54 PM toner: ok I'm gonna head back home now, good to see you again!
10:54 PM roycroft: yes!
10:54 PM roycroft: i'm here most of the time these days
10:54 PM toner: excellent
10:55 PM roycroft: so stop by again and we'll catch up some more
10:55 PM toner: I've been mostly idling here for a while... I should set up a linuxcnc system already though ;)
10:55 PM toner: sounds good
10:55 PM roycroft: i have my lcnc computer all ready to go
10:55 PM roycroft: i just need to do the work on the mill
10:55 PM toner: ah right
10:55 PM toner: so go sell the bus and get the lathe ;)
10:56 PM toner: see ya around roycroft!
10:56 PM roycroft: slainte!
11:13 PM insomnia is now known as BipolarBear
11:19 PM {HD}: I have learned to run my emails to china through google translate to chinese then back to english to make sure they still make sense. More often than not I need to reword my emails...
11:23 PM mrpackethead: {HD} thats because google translate is not a very good translator
11:23 PM mrpackethead: and a double translation will just make things worse
11:32 PM {HD}: mrpackethead: I am sure that is what they are using to translate it. I get lots less emails saying "My friend, I'm sorry that I don't quite understnad your question, could you tell me more about it"...
11:36 PM mrpackethead: HD, if you dont' undertand chinese, send it in english
11:36 PM mrpackethead: you've got a much much better chance of good communicaiton than trusting the bord
11:37 PM {HD}: mrpackethead: I do send it in english. I just make sure it makes sense run through google translate.
11:51 PM mrpackethead: I'm wondering if i should keep piling more money into my mill
11:51 PM mrpackethead: or just get a new one.