Mar 15 2017
12:30 AM Crom: wooo just had a though... riser blocks for my 10" sheldon lathe... I think I can make them out of AL and raise up the head stock and tail stock and get 16" out of it. Then I can do brake drums and rotors.
12:32 AM Crom: thought
12:32 AM Crom: 3" longer screw on my tool post and a 3" cube under it
12:32 AM Crom: or I could make a bigger block out of steel and raise up my entire compound
12:33 AM roycroft: or get a bigger lathe :)
12:36 AM Crom: $$$$ I have a hunk of 5" diameter cast iron I can use for the compound riser. I have some big AL rounds that I can stake on on top of eash other to get my head stock riser.. tailstock could wait
12:43 AM roycroft: are you concerned about losing rigidity if you add risers?
12:52 AM sadisticroot is now known as evilroot
01:17 AM Crom: ok Y tb6600 is fine, stepper is fine, the wires crap.... not I have to find a 4 conductor decent wire to rewire my 3040 with Dabg it
01:17 AM Crom: dang it
01:17 AM Crom: roycroft, not for doing rotors and brake drumes
02:53 AM Crom: nite nite
03:49 AM Deejay: moin
04:50 AM XXCoder: Crom: ya alive?
04:50 AM XXCoder: hey de
05:09 AM jthornton: morning
05:10 AM Deejay: o/
05:10 AM XXCoder: hey jt
05:26 AM XXCoder: https://i.imgur.com/okuKY.jpg yay!... oops.
05:27 AM XXCoder: similiar. http://www.lukesurl.com/archives/comic/044
06:30 AM MacGalempsy: Morning
06:35 AM jthornton: morning
06:36 AM skunkworks: 15 deg F here this morning..
06:38 AM jthornton: 23F here
06:44 AM XXCoder: nice
06:46 AM MacGalempsy: should be nice and sunny today
06:47 AM XXCoder: ever-washington here
08:34 AM marc___ is now known as tickatoo
08:52 AM skunkworks: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883101483
09:24 AM Jymmm: skunkworks: Only thing that sucks is that they used a Realtek LAN instead of intel.
09:31 AM skunkworks: have you had problems with realtek?
09:31 AM skunkworks: I have had better luck with realtime and realtek - but that is just me
09:51 AM Jymmm: skunkworks: Not a lcnc thing, just in general. There was a bug in linux realtek drivers that gave poor performance for one, plus intel drivers are supported under xBSD.
09:52 AM Jymmm: skunkworks: let me know what latency if you get that box
10:23 AM skunkworks: I doubt if I am ordering any... Tempting though.. i5 and all
10:26 AM chopper79: Lathes must be popular in my area right now.
10:27 AM Jymmm: skunkworks: and supports 16gb, comes with 8gb
10:27 AM skunkworks: chopper79, break any leads off lately? ;)
10:28 AM chopper79: lol..all of them.
10:28 AM chopper79: Still waiting on my 10 pack to show up.
10:28 AM chopper79: I was honest when I said I would post my failures on my project.
10:29 AM skunkworks: I should order more.. We had ordered 3 when we thought we were going to use them on the K&T years ago.. Used 3 on the matsurra.
10:29 AM chopper79: no shame
10:30 AM chopper79: Figure while I am waiting for those sensors to show up I would shop for a lathe.
10:30 AM skunkworks: :) $hit happens.. I have never made any mistakes...
10:30 AM skunkworks: ;)
10:30 AM chopper79: People are asking crazy high pricess in my area right now.
10:30 AM chopper79: Mistakes are how you learn
10:34 AM skunkworks: http://electronicsam.com/images/control.jpg
10:36 AM chopper79: Looks like fun
10:36 AM skunkworks: from long ago.. well - 10 years maybe
10:36 AM chopper79: That picture is why I drink
10:38 AM gregcnc: did you figure out what was wrong with the gear sensor encoder?
10:39 AM chopper79: no... broke the leads off the sensors before I could
10:39 AM gregcnc: i couldn't find a minimum tooth pitch, but i didn't look very hard on their site the spec sheet didn't really say
10:40 AM chopper79: waiting on more to show up, then try again. I may have to use a different gear
10:41 AM skunkworks: I ran the 3 sensors into a circuit board (tied +/- together and pull ups and caps.) then plugged that into a line driver that runs back to the mesa card.
10:41 AM chopper79: The hall pitch is 2.2mm so figure 2.5mm was fine for the gear. I think my face width is to short and the root depth is not deep enough. I could be wrong so we will see.
10:41 AM skunkworks: seems to work up to 6k no problem with the gear we found
10:42 AM skunkworks: http://electronicsam.com/images/matsuura/sensors.jpg
10:42 AM chopper79: Sensors are good up to 12k so speed should be no issue.
10:42 AM skunkworks: and the hole for index
10:45 AM chopper79: I am thinking it is the face width of my gear and root depth at this moment. The rpm was all over the place as if it was reading more then the just the teeth. The index mark was only being seen every 1-3 rotations and not every one.
10:45 AM chopper79: Oh well... Figure it out this week sometime.
10:46 AM chopper79: I am really supprised that these machines did not come with encoders on the spindle. They have them on XYZ but use a resolver on the spindle.
10:46 AM skunkworks: http://electronicsam.com/images/matsuura/20160405_163500.jpg
10:47 AM cradek: sometimes the spindle drive itself requires the resolver
10:47 AM chopper79: true
10:47 AM skunkworks: cradek, your machine used the mx2 control - didn't it. wasn't the resolver a multi pole oddity?
10:48 AM cradek: not sure about the name MX2, but yeah it had a very wild resolver on it
10:48 AM skunkworks: (plus it was on the motor not the spindle)
10:48 AM cradek: right
10:49 AM chopper79: skunkworks: where did you find your gear?
10:49 AM chopper79: I looked and looked and could not find anything
10:49 AM skunkworks: chopper79, dad walked over to a shelf full of collected gears and found it.. Sorry..
10:49 AM skunkworks: We think it was a change gear from some old lathe.
10:50 AM skunkworks: We machined it down and made it fit similar to what you did.
10:51 AM chopper79: Darn... I have been looking all over and can not find one that seems to be what is needed. So I made one and I may have some errors on the geometry. I may not have but seems like the issue may be there. I will know more when I get the new sensors in. The old sensors seem to need to be real close to the gear face.
10:51 AM skunkworks: 62 tooth iirc
10:52 AM skunkworks: I don't think it is that critical...
10:52 AM skunkworks: but play around with it
10:52 AM chopper79: Readings were better when the air gap was smaller.
10:53 AM chopper79: still all over the map by a 30-40rpm difference.
10:53 AM skunkworks: how are you reading it?
10:54 AM chopper79: not correctly I am sure. I did not have an O scope on me so I just used the rpm meter that I put in axis to see if the rpm was reading anything. It may be a spacing issue as to why the reading was all over the place.
10:55 AM chopper79: I can build tons of stuff with no issue, but his gear tooth sensor bit is killing me for some reason.
10:56 AM skunkworks: it is pretty common to have to filter the rpm a bit..
10:56 AM chopper79: It is ran through lowpass and the gain is at 60
10:56 AM skunkworks: I think mine jumped around about that much..
10:56 AM chopper79: by 30-40rpm?
10:56 AM skunkworks: gain would usually be < 0 to smooth it out..
10:56 AM skunkworks: sure
10:57 AM chopper79: wow...would not thin that would happen
10:58 AM skunkworks: try .01 or such for the gain
10:58 AM chopper79: a previous mill I did had an enocoder on the spindle motor and it was only off by 0.3rpm. I guess that is the difference between a factory encoder and a DIY one
10:58 AM skunkworks: or .05
10:58 AM skunkworks: sure - a lot higher count I bet.
10:58 AM skunkworks: I am pretty sure I filtered the K&T a bit too
10:58 AM chopper79: 3000ppr
10:58 AM gregcnc: was there noise that you had to filter it?
10:59 AM skunkworks: that has a 1000ppr
10:59 AM chopper79: The one I made is only 320ppr
11:00 AM skunkworks: how are you running the signal back to linuxcnc - how long are the cables?
11:00 AM skunkworks: single ended is a bit harder to run longer distances
11:00 AM chopper79: Using a shielded cable and the run is about 8ft.
11:00 AM cradek: the weird spindle resolver: http://timeguy.com/cradek-files/emc/PICT6447.JPG
11:01 AM skunkworks: mark the spindle and start the encoder count at 0 - run the spindle forward for a while at top speed - then backwards and see if the count ends up back at zero where you marked it.
11:01 AM chopper79: looks like the one in the spindle motor on my machine
11:01 AM skunkworks: 8 ft should be ok.
11:01 AM chopper79: I will try that once I get the new sensors ;)
11:02 AM chopper79: Andy gave me a link for a pico board that took the resolver and converted the signal to a quad with index. 1024ppr
11:02 AM chopper79: $150
11:03 AM cradek: chopper79: this resolver couldn't be driven by one of those - I tried
11:03 AM cradek: so I mounted an encoder and never looked back
11:03 AM chopper79: The only thing I do not like about that is interferring with the resolver to vfd and that the resolver is on the motor and the spindle cartridge.
11:03 AM chopper79: not the spindle cartridge
11:04 AM chopper79: have to deal with belt issues and such.
11:05 AM chopper79: I had a couple yaskawa encoders here. a 2500ppr and a 3000ppr but sold them.
11:05 AM chopper79: Should have kept them
11:05 AM chopper79: No good way to mount them to the cartrdge though so..
11:06 AM skunkworks: right - I think the gear tooth sensors is a good solution
11:06 AM gregcnc: what is that gear made of?
11:06 AM chopper79: same here... just having issues getting it done at the moment
11:07 AM chopper79: Mine I made from 1018
11:09 AM gregcnc: OK. one of the old allegro sheets says if you want >2mm airgap the teeth need to be >2mm, and valleys >2mm. so at small airgap what you have should should work. i think
11:10 AM chopper79: I am 2.5mm tooth width, 2.5mm tooth depth and my air gap was 1mm
11:10 AM chopper79: gear face width is 7mm
11:10 AM skunkworks: sounds good..
11:12 AM chopper79: I would think so.
11:13 AM gregcnc: as long as the sensor isn't too close to the full rim
11:13 AM chopper79: Other then that the mill conversion is going great. Will be starting the control panel after the encoder deal is worked out.
11:13 AM chopper79: full rim?
11:14 AM gregcnc: your teeth aren't cut through full width of the wheel, or am i seeing things
11:15 AM chopper79: correct... The top ring is there and only one tooth is cut through for the index mark being read from the top of gear.
11:16 AM chopper79: I was not sure what you were mining by full rim. I was thinking you were referring to something in the sensor manual.
11:16 AM chopper79: meaning
11:40 AM chopper79: https://stlouis.craigslist.org/tls/6022842793.html
11:41 AM chopper79: Emailed him to see if he still has it. Be a good retrofit later down the road with manual option.
11:42 AM chopper79: Price is fair as well.
11:42 AM archivist: and its on wheels
11:43 AM chopper79: YES!!!
11:43 AM chopper79: Good little shop lathe I think.
11:43 AM chopper79: wheels would come off though
11:45 AM archivist: hardly used it, no paint scratches
11:45 AM chopper79: It was posted 14 days ago. I am sure at that price and condition it is gone.
11:48 AM chopper79: sorry 16 days ago
11:57 AM roycroft: that would be a steal around here
11:58 AM roycroft: https://bend.craigslist.org/tls/6040353909.html
11:58 AM roycroft: that's what i'm looking at right now
11:58 AM roycroft: much older, a little smaller, and overpriced for what it is
11:58 AM chopper79: roycroft: Same here as most I am finding are stupid high prices.
11:58 AM roycroft: but if he comes down to a reasonable price i'd consider it
11:58 AM chopper79: nice
11:58 AM roycroft: that lathe goes for $1200-$1500
11:59 AM roycroft: it's the exact size i'm looking for
11:59 AM chopper79: I am trying to figure out why lathes are so much all of a sudden in my area.
11:59 AM roycroft: i'd probably go $1800 if it's in really good shape, and since the guy is a gunsmith it's probably in really good shape
11:59 AM roycroft: lathes are always expensive here
12:00 PM roycroft: i'd fit a 14x40 in my shop
12:00 PM roycroft: but a 12x3 would fit better
12:00 PM chopper79: I was finind lathes around here for the 600-1500 range and now I seem to find nothing besides the junk ones that are beat up for 2500 +
12:03 PM pcw_mesa_ is now known as pcw_mesa
12:03 PM chopper79: WOW... seems a bit high https://peoria.craigslist.org/tls/6020482038.html
12:04 PM jdh: is that sam's?
12:04 PM cradek: they are ballscrew
12:04 PM chopper79: I do not know, but it is only 20miles from me.
12:06 PM archivist: and already linuxcnc
12:06 PM roycroft: that grizzly i'm looking at has a threaded spindle
12:06 PM roycroft: but it's a big one - 1-9/16" bore
12:06 PM roycroft: i would prefer camlock
12:06 PM roycroft: but i could live with the threaded spindle
12:07 PM chopper79: yes already lcnc, but still price is a bit rich...... personally.
12:07 PM roycroft: and it comes with 3-jaw, 4-jaw, and face plate
12:07 PM roycroft: a collet chuck would be nice, but it would be a good project to make a spindle mount for a collet chuck
12:08 PM chopper79: Here you go https://peoria.craigslist.org/tls/6028392590.html
12:09 PM chopper79: I have no room for this large of a lathe.
12:09 PM * roycroft hasn't been to peoria in at least 45 years
12:09 PM skunkworks: not mine
12:09 PM roycroft: i can get ginormous lathes for a song all over the place here
12:09 PM chopper79: You have not missed much roycroft
12:09 PM skunkworks: I think that one is on ebay also
12:09 PM chopper79: yeah it is for 2200
12:10 PM roycroft: some of them are probably for sale for less than scrap value
12:10 PM roycroft: just because the seller doesn't want to have to deal with moving it
12:10 PM roycroft: or doesn't know what scrap value is
12:10 PM roycroft: most people are utterly incapable of estimating the weight of a machine
12:10 PM Wolf_: lot of times the catch is you need a insured rigger to remove it
12:11 PM chopper79: I have seen that
12:11 PM roycroft: you mean i can't just haul it out with my pickup and a winch? :)
12:11 PM chopper79: equipment just sold for $1000 but you need a $6000 rigger to move it
12:11 PM chopper79: I would let you
12:11 PM chopper79: after you paid me
12:13 PM chopper79: roycroft: I agree a lot of people do not know how to estimate the weight of a machine. .... Looks like 500lbs to me ;)
12:15 PM roycroft: i just emailed the grizzly guy
12:15 PM chopper79: I link I posted?
12:15 PM roycroft: that lathe is in redmond - central oregon, so i would have to drive over the mountains to get it
12:16 PM roycroft: the link one i posted
12:16 PM chopper79: or the 1237
12:16 PM roycroft: the 1237
12:16 PM chopper79: Hope you get a response
12:16 PM roycroft: i asked some initial questions
12:16 PM roycroft: but did not discuss price yet
12:16 PM roycroft: i'm concerned about that
12:16 PM roycroft: he's asking way too much
12:16 PM roycroft: and the post has been up since the 10th
12:17 PM roycroft: usually those things get snapped up instantly
12:17 PM roycroft: he said "$2400 obo"
12:17 PM roycroft: but "obo" may mean $2350 to him
12:17 PM roycroft: and that's why it may still be for sale
12:17 PM roycroft: that's a mid-80s lathe
12:17 PM roycroft: and no parts are available for it
12:17 PM roycroft: i downloaded the manual for its successor, which is almost identical
12:17 PM roycroft: and the seller says he has the original manual
12:18 PM roycroft: but still, any parts that are ever needed would have to be fabricated
12:18 PM roycroft: some of those were single phase, and some were 3-phase
12:18 PM roycroft: if it's single phase i just plug it in and go
12:18 PM roycroft: if it's 3-phase i would get a vfd
12:18 PM roycroft: which i would probably get eventually anyway
12:19 PM roycroft: so maybe it's better if it's 3-phase
12:20 PM * roycroft checks the pass weather
12:21 PM roycroft: hmm, snow on saturday and most of next week in the passes
12:22 PM roycroft: but temps from 7-12 during the day, so the roads should be pretty clear then
12:22 PM roycroft: looks like the snow will be during the night
12:22 PM roycroft: and rain during the day
12:22 PM chopper79: roads clear here as we ad 6" the other day but melting fast
12:23 PM roycroft: weather changes daily here
12:23 PM roycroft: especially this time of year
12:24 PM roycroft: willamette pass will be snow-free for the next few days
12:24 PM roycroft: but that's south of here, and would be a signficant detoure
12:24 PM roycroft: redmond is northeast of here
12:24 PM roycroft: santiam pass is the direct route, and that's the one that's going to be snowy
12:25 PM roycroft: http://tripcheck.com/roadcams/cams/Santiam%20Pass_pid2728.JPG
12:25 PM roycroft: it looks pretty good right now
12:30 PM chopper79: https://chicago.craigslist.org/nwc/tls/6025314351.html
12:30 PM chopper79: good deal? good lathe?
12:31 PM archivist: that has fast actions not a normal toolroom lathe
12:31 PM roycroft: can you live with a collet chuck?
12:31 PM roycroft: if not then you have to find chucks for it
12:32 PM archivist: I would call that one production
12:32 PM roycroft: if it's not worn out it might be an ok lathe
12:32 PM roycroft: but plan on spending another $1k to get it fully functional
12:32 PM chopper79: Would prefer to have options of either a jaw chuck and then collet for ballscrew machining.
12:32 PM archivist: collet is nice for bar work and 2nd op
12:32 PM roycroft: i definitely want a collet chuck for my next lathe
12:33 PM roycroft: but the point is that most folks will also want a 3-jaw and 4-jaw, at least
12:33 PM chopper79: Just need to spend the money ....https://chicago.craigslist.org/nwc/tls/6037233870.html
12:33 PM chopper79: out of my budget
12:34 PM roycroft: the grizzly tent sale is on 6 may, which is why i'm looking really hard for a lathe right now
12:34 PM roycroft: if i don't find something by the tent sale date i'm going up there to check things out
12:34 PM roycroft: i have fuel, time, and hotel bill to pay for if i do that
12:35 PM roycroft: and no assurance i'd find anything i want
12:35 PM archivist: sleep in the car, cheaper
12:35 PM roycroft: i used to check cl listings every day or two
12:35 PM roycroft: now i'm checking several times/day
12:35 PM roycroft: the car is an old toyota pickup
12:36 PM roycroft: it would be very uncomfortable
12:36 PM roycroft: and i'm old, and not interested in that kind of discomfort
12:36 PM chopper79: https://rockford.craigslist.org/tls/6043345138.html
12:36 PM archivist: take some padding
12:36 PM roycroft: i have enough of that built in, i'm afraid i have to say
12:37 PM archivist: :)
12:37 PM roycroft: if i make a 6-1/2 hour drive to bellingham i'm going to want to stay in a hotel overnight
12:37 PM roycroft: i have reservations at a reasonably cheap one
12:37 PM roycroft: but it's still an expense
12:37 PM roycroft: with luck i won't be going
12:38 PM roycroft: that clausing looks like it has potential
12:39 PM roycroft: i like the speeds and feeds on it
12:39 PM roycroft: 0.00076" for the lowest z-axis speed is nice
12:39 PM roycroft: it's hard to find a 12x36 that goes <0.003"
12:39 PM roycroft: and 52rpm is really nice
12:40 PM roycroft: if it's not worn out i'd take a hard look at it
12:41 PM chopper79: Gonna look more into that one and the hardinge tool room with the collet.
12:41 PM archivist: tool room should not have lever feed :)
12:42 PM archivist: that is a sign of a production machine
12:42 PM roycroft: http://www.vintagemachinery.org/pubs/181/3407.pdf
12:42 PM roycroft: for the clausing
12:47 PM chopper79: I need to find one soon as I have a job coming up that will require about 30hrs of turn work and do not want to farm it out.
12:50 PM roycroft: and you need time to get comfortable with it
12:50 PM roycroft: and you need time to fix it
12:50 PM chopper79: I have time in there for that.
12:50 PM roycroft: so now "soon" is "really soon" :)
12:51 PM chopper79: about 4 weeks.... I have access to a lathe currently. I just do not wan to haul all the parts back and forth everyday from my shop to the one I have access to.
12:51 PM chopper79: Then when I have free time in the evenings I can just go out to the shop and do work.
12:52 PM chopper79: May have to use the one I have access to..
12:52 PM chopper79: But you all know how it is.... you were the last one to touch it so you must have broke it
12:53 PM archivist: wernt me guv!
12:54 PM chopper79: I can pu tthis job off for a little bit, but after this one gets done they have 6 more jobs for em to do that are close to 50hrs each of turn work.
12:56 PM chopper79: All gravy also...... 6061 alum
01:26 PM IchGucksLive: hi from Germany
01:28 PM IchGucksLive: can someone check please if the new video is open to public or private
01:28 PM IchGucksLive: https://youtu.be/UdvROAlCMMQ
01:40 PM chopper79: roycroft: That one hardinge lathe (tool room one) is pretty slick.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsZZLo6Z7ZA
01:40 PM chopper79: same model, not same one. The one in the video is much cleaner
01:41 PM andypugh: IchGucksLive: Seems to be public, at least if you have the link
01:41 PM IchGucksLive: Thanks
01:42 PM gregcnc: www.ebay.com/itm/251685981447 just add paramaters
01:42 PM roycroft: alleged tool room one :)
01:43 PM roycroft: oh wait, it's the clausing that's allegedly tool room
01:43 PM gregcnc: what a contraption, I wonder what it was built for www.ebay.com/itm/302238943783
01:45 PM archivist: fancy wood carving
01:46 PM archivist: decimal place wrong on the price though
01:47 PM roycroft: will a turret lathe work for you?
01:47 PM roycroft: i would prefer a traditional tail stock lathe for a general purpose lathe
01:47 PM chopper79: gregcnc: nice... out of my price range though
01:47 PM roycroft: it seems a turret lathe would be somewhat limiting
01:47 PM chopper79: and power range
01:47 PM IchGucksLive: archivist: where
01:47 PM gregcnc: limiting for what?
01:47 PM JT-Shop: just depends on the parts you make
01:47 PM chopper79: turret would not be for me
01:47 PM archivist: IchGucksLive, www.ebay.com/itm/302238943783
01:48 PM roycroft: yes, jt-shop
01:48 PM roycroft: which is why i said "general purpose"
01:48 PM roycroft: tapers would be one thing
01:48 PM gregcnc: you progam any taper you want
01:48 PM roycroft: other than short tapers with the compound
01:48 PM IchGucksLive: archivist: a wooden lathe never seen one
01:49 PM archivist: mine does a good job on tapers
01:49 PM roycroft: how do you program a manual lathe to do tapers?
01:49 PM archivist: the taper turning attachment
01:49 PM gregcnc: by not getting a manual one
01:49 PM roycroft: that's not what chopper79 is shopping for
01:49 PM _methods: robot like precision while turning handles
01:50 PM _methods: lol
01:50 PM _methods: hours and hours of etch a sketch practice
01:50 PM archivist: turning a ball that way is fun
01:50 PM chopper79: Good solid manual one that I will cnc later down the road. I am limited on power and money so a large cnc lathe is not in the books.
01:50 PM roycroft: oh, yes, i suppose a taper attachment would work fine on a turret lathe
01:51 PM roycroft: i've never used a turret lathe
01:51 PM roycroft: which is why i'm asking questions for the most part
01:51 PM roycroft: the bed is also pretty short on that lathe
01:51 PM roycroft: which may be fine for what chopper79 is doing
01:52 PM roycroft: but again, if shopping for a single general purpose lathe that can be a limitation
01:52 PM gregcnc: I thought chopper79 linked some cnc
01:52 PM roycroft: he linked one and commented that he cannot afford it
01:52 PM chopper79: I did link one
01:52 PM roycroft: but he linked to a hardinge turret lathe that he's consideering purchasing
01:52 PM archivist: I spent hours stood at http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=pd+herbert+capstan
01:52 PM chopper79: It falls into the the I wish cat.
01:52 PM gregcnc: ah
01:53 PM roycroft: and i'm not dissing the hardinge
01:53 PM roycroft: i'm just posing questions
01:53 PM chopper79: https://chicago.craigslist.org/nwc/tls/6025314351.html
01:53 PM gregcnc: www.ebay.com/itm/272590845587 this seems cheap I wonder how bad it is
01:53 PM chopper79: this one
01:53 PM roycroft: i am seriously lathe shopping myself at the moment
01:53 PM gregcnc: that hardinge has been posted a few times now
01:54 PM roycroft: find out how much the jaw chucks would cost for that
01:54 PM chopper79: I agree... I sent him a message and IF he responds to my questions then we will see.
01:54 PM roycroft: you need to know that before you can consider it seriously
01:54 PM roycroft: since you say you need jaw chucks as well as the collet chuck
01:54 PM roycroft: i like that external collet arm closer
01:55 PM roycroft: if you're doing anything remotely approaching production that can save a lot of time
01:55 PM chopper79: that was one of my questions is does it come with any chucks and there is not a collet nose on there just threads
01:55 PM chopper79: Has the collet arm, but that is it based on the picture
01:55 PM gregcnc: those have 5S spindle taper and either threaded or taper spindle nose
01:55 PM roycroft: well while you're waiting for an answer, try to find some chucks
01:56 PM roycroft: so if the answer is "no" you know what they cost
01:56 PM JT-Shop: I have a tailstock on my Samson and rarely use it to hold parts
01:56 PM archivist: the more I look at the hardinge the less tool room it looks
01:56 PM gregcnc: what makes a toolroom?
01:56 PM archivist: general purpose
01:57 PM roycroft: it doesn't look clean enough to be toolroom, and that collet arm makes it look more like production
01:57 PM archivist: so you can make tools
01:57 PM archivist: that has lever feed and collet closer, production
01:58 PM gregcnc: hardinge looking similar come in many flaovrs
01:58 PM roycroft: i could not get the arbors off my chucks yesterday, btw
01:58 PM roycroft: but i found some jacobs jt3 arbor removal wedges for $6.88 on ebay
01:58 PM roycroft: that's cheaper than the time it would take to make something
01:59 PM roycroft: so i'll wait until they arrive to r&r my chucks
01:59 PM archivist: note the motor on the rear of the hardinge saddle too
01:59 PM chopper79: chucks and backer plate go from 250 -600
01:59 PM roycroft: so it's still $1800 for the lathe + chucks
02:00 PM roycroft: which may not be bad, if it's in good condition
02:00 PM roycroft: $1700
02:00 PM IchGucksLive: Folks i just got a hint from Youtube i retched a new level at 1000 klicks per day of my LCNC Channel
02:00 PM * roycroft should learn some remedial arithmetic
02:00 PM chopper79: yeah could be.. IF he respond with favorable answers then I will go up an look at it. 1.5hr drive so no big deal
02:01 PM roycroft: yeah, that's not a bad drive
02:01 PM roycroft: that grizzly is 2-1/2 hours away or more
02:01 PM roycroft: and over the second highest pass on a major highway in the state
02:01 PM chopper79: The grizzly I posted is pushing 3.5-4hrs away
02:01 PM roycroft: so i have to be pretty sure before i go there
02:01 PM roycroft: getting there is no problem
02:02 PM roycroft: but getting home would be a bit more challenging
02:02 PM roycroft: i would have better traction getting home though
02:02 PM roycroft: significantly better traction
02:03 PM chopper79: archivist: What about the motor on the back of the saddle?
02:03 PM archivist: some had motorised feed
02:04 PM chopper79: This has cross feed and saddle feed with seperate motors it looks like.
02:04 PM chopper79: seperate levers also.
02:04 PM roycroft: https://portland.craigslist.org/clk/tls/6018207100.html
02:04 PM roycroft: there's pretty much that same hardinge
02:04 PM roycroft: for more than 2x the price
02:04 PM chopper79: I see that
02:04 PM roycroft: welcome to my part of the world
02:05 PM roycroft: the lathes-are-expensive part
02:05 PM gregcnc: well it has the turret, so easily twice the price
02:06 PM roycroft: both of them have the turret
02:07 PM chopper79: I do not see a turret on the one I posted
02:07 PM gregcnc: I agree
02:07 PM chopper79: nevermind
02:07 PM roycroft: oh, i thought i saw it
02:07 PM archivist: not the turret I expect
02:07 PM roycroft: maybe i'm thinking of the video
02:08 PM gregcnc: there is something, but not sure what
02:08 PM chopper79: It has a handle up where a turret woul dbe but do not see the turret...
02:08 PM roycroft: yeah, i see that now
02:08 PM archivist: that is what looks like a lever feed to me
02:09 PM chopper79: The lever feed are at the bottom on the saddle
02:09 PM chopper79: Right under the cross feed wheel
02:09 PM archivist: those are select lever I would think
02:09 PM chopper79: brb...pizza is done
02:09 PM roycroft: and the one in the video does have the turret
02:09 PM roycroft: so that must be what i was thinking of
02:09 PM archivist: engage auto feed etc
02:10 PM roycroft: sorry - i have about zero short-term memory these days
02:11 PM chopper79: did you say something?
02:11 PM chopper79: ;)
02:11 PM roycroft: there's a cheap sears/atlast 12x36 but it looks pretty beat up
02:11 PM chopper79: I understand
02:11 PM roycroft: https://portland.craigslist.org/clk/tls/6040261270.html
02:12 PM gregcnc: looks like the original turret plate is replaced
02:12 PM roycroft: i think i'd like something that's more of a "user" than a "project"
02:12 PM lunada_ is now known as lunada
02:12 PM roycroft: but the price is not bad for a 12x36
02:12 PM roycroft: kelso is 3 hours away, and no mountains to go over
02:12 PM gregcnc: tha'ts cheap with the gearbox
02:14 PM roycroft: yeah, it doesn't have a 4 jaw or a stand, but for that price i have a lot of cash left over to make it usable
02:14 PM chopper79: The more I look at videos of these lathes the more I think that the one listed on craigslist is missing a bunch of stuff.
02:14 PM roycroft: it depends on how worn it is
02:14 PM roycroft: $1100 seems pretty cheap to me, chopper79
02:15 PM roycroft: you might look at that clausing again
02:15 PM chopper79: The turret lever is there but the turret assmbly is gone, the speed control for the spindle is missing.
02:15 PM roycroft: when you posted the two links i pretty much blew off the hardinge and was interested in the clausing
02:16 PM chopper79: I watched a video of that model clausing and it is a noise thing
02:16 PM roycroft: throw a vfd on it and belt drive it
02:17 PM chopper79: I would do that regardless....
02:17 PM roycroft: that would likely get rid of most of the noise
02:18 PM roycroft: that rockford is still for sale
02:18 PM roycroft: but it's a really long drive, over siskiyou summit
02:19 PM roycroft: my pickup has over 180k miles on it, athough i did put a new head on it a few years ago
02:20 PM roycroft: but the bottom end i'm sure is getting tired, so i do have some concerns about hauling a heavy lathe over steep mountain passes with it
02:20 PM roycroft: it's a little toyota with a 4 cylinder engine
02:20 PM roycroft: i'm not even sure the rockford would fit in the bed
02:20 PM chopper79: My F150 (2008) just turned 165k
02:21 PM roycroft: my toyota is an '88
02:21 PM roycroft: i generally only drive it around town
02:21 PM roycroft: it's been to the coast once, and to portland a couple times
02:21 PM roycroft: i don't think i've ever driven it over the mountains though
02:23 PM roycroft: i like that le blond regal that's down in corning, too
02:23 PM roycroft: but again, long drive over steep mountains
02:23 PM roycroft: oh, and the le blond had a really small spindle bore
02:23 PM roycroft: that's the problem with that
02:24 PM IchGucksLive: Gn8 im off
02:25 PM chopper79: Seems the clausing would be easier to retro also.
02:26 PM chopper79: in the future
02:26 PM gregcnc: https://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/tld/6028118656.html fully loaded
02:26 PM gregcnc: https://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/tld/6028118656.html
02:29 PM chopper79: gregcnc: Thanks
02:29 PM chopper79: I will have to look into tool post if i did the clausing lathe.
02:29 PM gregcnc: that one is polo just got deleted
02:30 PM chopper79: well that is some shit
02:31 PM chopper79: refreshed on gone....
02:32 PM chopper79: Was not ment to be I guess
02:32 PM gregcnc: there used to be a guy in rockford that bought up all the 5900
02:36 PM gregcnc: he'd clean them up, get them going, and resell. Then there was an outburst listing from him about how people don't want ot pay what he's asking and he'll keep 'em
02:37 PM chopper79: lol..
02:38 PM chopper79: https://stlouis.craigslist.org/tls/5964349383.html
02:38 PM chopper79: seems a bit steep on price and looks like it was stored in a no climate controled place
02:43 PM Crom: morning all
02:45 PM chopper79: afternoon
02:46 PM roycroft: grizzly guy got back to me
02:46 PM roycroft: someone is supposed to look at it tomorrow
02:47 PM roycroft: if he doesn't buy it i might go check it out
02:47 PM chopper79: Wish the grizzly I emailed about would get ahold of me
02:48 PM roycroft: the grizzly is under power, he said
02:48 PM roycroft: which makes it a lot easier to evaluate
02:48 PM chopper79: yes it does
02:49 PM roycroft: yes, that republic looks a little crusty
02:49 PM roycroft: i don't mind that a lathe is stored in a non-heated place, as well it's it's lubed properly
02:49 PM gregcnc: people bring owrse back to life
02:49 PM * JT-Shop takes five
02:49 PM roycroft: depends on if it's surface rust or if there's deep pitting
02:50 PM roycroft: but pitting means you don't have to flake it!
02:50 PM roycroft: :)
02:50 PM chopper79: lube keepers
02:50 PM JT-Shop: it had hardened ways
02:51 PM JT-Shop: has
02:51 PM chopper79: So hardened way can not pit?
02:51 PM JT-Shop: kinda tough to scrape them
02:51 PM roycroft: it has hard pits
02:51 PM chopper79: got ya
02:51 PM JT-Shop: lol
02:53 PM chopper79: https://stlouis.craigslist.org/tls/6022842793.html if this one is still available and he gets back ahold of me then I feel this woul dbe my best option for the money
02:53 PM JT-Shop: nice condition
02:54 PM JT-Shop: it's on wheels!
02:55 PM chopper79: no response yet and I cam across another post wherea guy was asking if the guy who has this could please get a hold of him.
02:55 PM chopper79: Looks like is may be one of those people who does not check their emial or the responses go to spam. He left no phone number
02:56 PM roycroft: if that's in good shape i'd almost drive to st louis to get it
02:56 PM chopper79: I will race you there
02:56 PM roycroft: you would win
02:57 PM chopper79: If he gets a hold of me and all is good then I would go down tomorrow and pick it up.
02:58 PM JT-Shop: I emailed him to see if yours went into his spam folder
02:58 PM chopper79: haha
02:59 PM chopper79: do you know him or have a different email?
02:59 PM chopper79: If not then if the emails are going to spam then yours and mine will be there together
03:00 PM JT-Shop: sometimes emails are sent to spam folder based on where they are from like gmail etc
03:00 PM chopper79: interesting
03:00 PM JT-Shop: I send mine from gnipsel.com
03:00 PM chopper79: Thanks sir
03:00 PM JT-Shop: let you know if I hear back from him
03:01 PM * JT-Shop has been on a five minute break for 10 minutes so back to work
03:03 PM chopper79: I think that this may be the same one..... https://stlouis.craigslist.org/tls/6037973444.html
03:03 PM chopper79: it is only 26min from the first one.
03:04 PM chopper79: or somebody down the road purchased it for 1200 and is selling it now.
03:04 PM gregcnc: very liekly
03:09 PM gregcnc: I'd like one of these. There was one in WI last year at a fair price. https://milwaukee.craigslist.org/tld/5972264717.html
03:10 PM chopper79: nice
03:31 PM chopper79: The guy with the republic lathe got back a hold of me.
03:32 PM chopper79: Asked basic quiestions about if the ways were pitted, tool post, voltage, etc. ..... he came back with I have no idea I will be available for you to look at it Saturday 9-1
03:33 PM chopper79: I do not want to drive 3hrs for nothing... what a tool
03:34 PM chopper79: Guy with the hardige responded (asked same basic questions).... responded with nothing and not sure.
04:02 PM JT-Shop: prob brokers
04:03 PM chopper79: Good chance.... They can continue to sit on it then.
04:04 PM chopper79: I have a low tolorance when it comes to service
04:05 PM andypugh: Beware of cutting off your nose to spite your face.
04:06 PM chopper79: I understand, but still does not change the service part. If I responded to one of my customers that way I would exspect nothing different.
04:07 PM JT-Shop: brokers are not service people they just sell stuff
04:07 PM chopper79: agreed
04:07 PM JT-Shop: I drove to Detroit once to look at a mill, came home with a hamburger
04:07 PM Tom_L: was it a good one?
04:07 PM malcom2073: (the burger, not the mill)
04:07 PM Tom_L: yeah
04:08 PM chopper79: You would think that if they get a percentage of the sale then they would provide some sort of service to generate the sale and make money.
04:08 PM Tom_L: not sure i'd drive to Detroit for much of anything...
04:10 PM chopper79: I have found some great deals in Detroit area.
04:10 PM JT-Shop: mcdumps
04:10 PM chopper79: People are hurting for money up there so selling what they can
04:11 PM lunada: i heard crack is pretty cheap there
04:11 PM chopper79: haha...
04:13 PM Crom: heh That Grizzly is just west of Ferguson, MO... Crack is pretty cheap there I'd guess as well
04:15 PM lunada: probably get a good deal on some burned out cop cars too
04:16 PM XXCoder: http://static.twentytwowords.com/wp-content/uploads/21arch.jpg advanced drain placement.
04:16 PM andypugh: I spent 2 weeks in Detriot last summer.
04:16 PM Crom: Man-O-man that grizzley is sweet... clean as all get out... No Oil stains from a really use lathe
04:16 PM lunada: lol XXCoder
04:16 PM chopper79: all about the crack now arent we... ;)
04:16 PM roycroft: i drive through detroit, oregon regularly
04:17 PM andypugh: XXCoder: Looks more like an access / vent hatch than a drain to me.
04:17 PM XXCoder: looks like flood drain to me but could be right
04:17 PM lunada: roycroft instead of burned out factories, is it burned out starbucks?
04:17 PM roycroft: it's a little farm town
04:18 PM lunada: ah
04:18 PM roycroft: feed store, churches, bar, diner
04:18 PM chopper79: Looks like a drain as well
04:18 PM roycroft: filling station
04:18 PM chopper79: We have some that look like that and they are a combination drain/hatch.
04:18 PM Crom: yeah it's a vent/hatch
04:19 PM roycroft: population 202
04:19 PM chopper79: Poor placement if it was a drain...
04:19 PM Crom: hinge points on both sides...
04:20 PM lunada: it's to save the dolphins that get stuck in there
04:20 PM XXCoder: great day. its washington version of sunny day
04:21 PM XXCoder: bright clouds, only light rain
04:23 PM Crom: man that lathe is $4750 new
04:25 PM andypugh: The Harrison M250 is in a different class to the Grizzly.
04:27 PM andypugh: The Harrison was made here: https://goo.gl/maps/B8UkJW7sAQT2 Would you like to guess where the Grizzly was made?
04:27 PM roycroft: most grizzly machines are made in taiwan
04:28 PM roycroft: which at least makes them generally better than them that are made in mainland china
04:28 PM andypugh: Which isn’t a totally bad thing, so are these: http://www.lathes.co.uk/feeler/
04:28 PM roycroft: south bend lathes are made by grizzly now
04:31 PM roycroft: a lot of people complain about that
04:31 PM roycroft: but the fact is, south bend were bankrupt and about to go away
04:31 PM roycroft: grizzly saved the company
04:31 PM roycroft: although grizzly did offshore the manufacturing
04:32 PM roycroft: but it was a matter of closing the us factory and going completely out of business or closing the us factory and manufacturing in taiwan
04:42 PM chopper79: Crom: yeah the price seems to good to be true actually.
04:44 PM Crom: the only thing I hate about modern lathe is all the sharp corners...
04:44 PM Crom: it's rare for my Sheldon to have less than a 1/2' radius corner
04:45 PM chopper79: smooth
04:45 PM Crom: yeah smoothness as well..
04:46 PM Crom: I think the cast iron in my sheldon has a much finer grain structure than what I'm seeing in the new Grizzly lathes
04:47 PM chopper79: https://chambana.craigslist.org/tls/6044601080.html
04:47 PM chopper79: missing parts
04:47 PM chopper79: poor thing
04:48 PM Crom: I wonder how much dip is in the bed
04:49 PM Crom: make a new gear for the lead screw is pretty easy
04:56 PM Crom: figuring out a way to mount a broaching bit to the zaxis on the 3040. cutting the broach to the rear of a hole, lets the X and Z flex away from the work, so you start a cut and continue it until the spring passes does not cut anything
04:56 PM Crom: it'll flex in Y and Z
05:02 PM roycroft: south bend change gears are readily available
05:02 PM roycroft: one does not even have to make one
05:38 PM chopper79: Well the republic lathe is 100% out of the question now.
05:47 PM Crom: ok changed my y stepper and the cable, it's all working perfect again...
05:47 PM Crom: now I can start making chips again
05:49 PM Crom: Ill be doing an autopsy on the old cable tomorrow
05:54 PM Crom: next project getting the rest of the hall effect home switches working
05:58 PM Deejay: gn8
06:23 PM tiwake: anyone know of a good source for people just getting started with machining? something to cover basics I guess
06:23 PM tiwake: online
06:24 PM tiwake: I know of some amazon books, but didnt know if there was some web page out there somewhere
06:24 PM CaptHindsight: maybe a zillion youtubes
06:24 PM tiwake: so not really
06:26 PM CaptHindsight: ichGucksLive gets thousands of hit on his channel about machining and LCNC
06:36 PM tiwake: CaptHindsight: what is his channel called?
07:01 PM roycroft: you mean mashining, capthindsight :)
07:12 PM tiwake: roycroft: do you know the guys channel>?
07:14 PM roycroft: no, i don't know what his channel is
07:14 PM tiwake: did a search and couldent find it
07:21 PM JT-Shop: goodnight
07:58 PM chopper79: evening all
08:02 PM malcom2073: Evening
08:04 PM andypugh: I wonder if 3 x M6 screws is enough to hold a D1-4 adaptor onto a 4th-axis?
08:06 PM andypugh: The problem being that the D1-4 has 3-fold symmetry and the rotary has 8 x M6 holes. And a D1-4 contains a lot of holes.
08:06 PM chopper79: Most I have seen around here only have 3 holes for bolting
08:12 PM andypugh: I have to say it doesn’t look terrible: https://ibin.co/3FhgxKvCdZly.png
08:13 PM BeachBumPete: aah clever
08:13 PM andypugh: Clever?
08:14 PM BeachBumPete: yeah adapting a camlock spindle face to a 4th would be sweet no?
08:14 PM andypugh: I am going to make the camlock from scratch, but the idea is to be able to transfer work, and get more value out of the huge range of chucks I have.
08:15 PM BeachBumPete: Like I said...clever... ?
08:16 PM BeachBumPete: http://www.dictionary.com/browse/clever
08:16 PM BeachBumPete: :)
08:18 PM chopper79: looks good
08:18 PM andypugh: I wonder where I can get camlock cams from? They look like trouble to make.
08:19 PM andypugh: I can find them in the US as $20 + $20 shipping, each.
08:23 PM andypugh: However, if I make my own, then I have the option of retaining them in a different way, and that would let me get more screws in. Let me investigate.
08:23 PM chopper79: andypugh: I seen a video of your lathe and I have to say that the jog wheels on the saddle for taverse are outstanding.
08:23 PM chopper79: Awesome idea is all I have to say. I never would have thought about putting them on there in palce of the actual hand wheels.
08:24 PM andypugh: It’s not an original idea, the Colchester CNC lathes have that.
08:24 PM chopper79: fair enough but your is awseome and it is the only one I have seen like that
08:24 PM chopper79: was impressed
08:24 PM andypugh: I have a 7i73 in the apron to make wiring everything easy.
08:25 PM chopper79: cool
08:26 PM chopper79: I had to watch it a couple times as it was that cool to me.
08:27 PM andypugh: There is a selector knob on the apron too, to select jog increment, but I haven’t made it do that yet.
08:27 PM chopper79: nice
08:40 PM andypugh: You know, I am rather inclined to retain the camlock cams with circlips. There is no centrifugal force to worry about, and it lets me get 5 screws in.
08:56 PM andypugh: I am going off the idea of making cams. I was going to use grub-screws as they already have a socket, but then M24 size are £6 or more each, so £20 for complete cams looks good.
09:21 PM Dubmfg: Anyone home?
09:23 PM andypugh: Might be
09:24 PM Dubmfg: Let me rephrase: anyone home that would be willing to help me diagnose why my machine doesnt back off its limit switches when homing, and rather just sticks on the limit switch?
09:24 PM andypugh: BeachBumPete: One advantage of having a D1-4 on the lathe and the mll rotary is that it is so much less tedious centring work in a l4-jaw on the spindle than on a rotary axis.
09:25 PM andypugh: Dubmfg: What is your home_latch_velocity in the INI file?
09:25 PM Dubmfg: .05
09:25 PM andypugh: And the home_search_velocity?
09:25 PM Dubmfg: .05
09:25 PM Dubmfg: use_index = no
09:26 PM andypugh: Try -0.05 for latch?
09:26 PM Dubmfg: one moment
09:26 PM andypugh: Though both-positive should back-off then try again
09:26 PM Dubmfg: well yeah, that would be ideal.
09:27 PM Dubmfg: it homes towards the positive limit switch
09:27 PM Dubmfg: (only one switch per axis)
09:27 PM andypugh: Yes, postive search should home to positive
09:27 PM andypugh: Does it report the axis as homed when it finishes?
09:28 PM Dubmfg: no, it throws a axis on limit error
09:28 PM BeachBumPete: andypugh if you are trying to convince me of the efficacy of the D1-4 or other camlock spindle faces you are preaching to the choir. Both my last lathe and my current CNC lathe have D series camlock spindles ;)
09:28 PM Dubmfg: even with ignore-limits on
09:28 PM andypugh: What is home_position and home_offset?
09:29 PM andypugh: It might be that switch-bounce is making it look like it has immediately found the latch.
09:29 PM Dubmfg: Home offset is -0.02
09:29 PM Dubmfg: I dont have a home_position string in my ini
09:30 PM andypugh: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/config/ini-homing.html
09:31 PM andypugh: Sorry, I meant HOME not HOME_POSITION
09:32 PM andypugh: Try HOME_OFFSET 0.02, MAX_LIMIT 0 and MIN_LIMIT -100 (or whatever travel you have)
09:32 PM Dubmfg: home is set to -9.0
09:34 PM andypugh: Axes that home-positve like to have the 0 at the positive end and use negative positions (in machine coordinates, which you rarely see)
09:34 PM Dubmfg: No backoff unfortunately still
09:34 PM Dubmfg: max limit 0, min limit -18.5, offset 0.02
09:35 PM Dubmfg: maybe offset -0.02
09:35 PM andypugh: What is the axis position (machine coordinates) when the home sequence has completed?
09:36 PM Dubmfg: In machine coordinates the axis homing procedure should leave it at -0.02
09:36 PM Dubmfg: It should hit the limit switch as its 0 point, then move -0.02 to come off the switch
09:37 PM Dubmfg: -0.02 also did not work.
09:39 PM andypugh: Is it marking the axis as homed, or not?
09:40 PM andypugh: What is HOME_FINAL_VELOCITY?
09:40 PM Dubmfg: Where is that info in Axis? Im very new for this.
09:40 PM Dubmfg: 0.05
09:41 PM andypugh: You should see a sort-of reference point symbol next to the DRO readout in Axis
09:42 PM Dubmfg: no, there is no reference symbol
09:42 PM andypugh: How curious.
09:42 PM Dubmfg: or rather, the origin sort of crosshair thing.
09:42 PM andypugh: Shared home switch?
09:43 PM Dubmfg: All seperate switches wired to seperate inputs
09:44 PM andypugh: I am at something of a loss, then
09:44 PM andypugh: Can you run a halscope on the home-switch signal to see if it is bouncing?
09:44 PM Dubmfg: The switches are debounced
09:45 PM Dubmfg: Im going to verify that the switches are wired to the correct axis then try that
09:45 PM andypugh: (Machine / Halscope in the Axis GUI)
09:45 PM andypugh: You should be able to just poke the switches and watch the arrow symbol in the DRO.
09:46 PM andypugh: But yes, having the wires crossed would do this.
09:46 PM Dubmfg: So the error in axis is "Joint 0 on limit switch error"
09:46 PM Dubmfg: I get that error when I home Z only
09:46 PM andypugh: Hmm, Z is typically Joint 2
09:46 PM Dubmfg: I think my Z is supposed to be Axis 2, wouldnt I expect it to read Joint 2
09:46 PM Dubmfg: Exactly
09:47 PM Dubmfg: Im going to try and hit the other switches and see what they say
09:47 PM Dubmfg: Sorry, its joint 1, not 2 in the error
09:47 PM Dubmfg: I mean 0
09:47 PM Dubmfg: Anyway, testing.
09:48 PM andypugh: How did you make the HAL file?
09:48 PM Dubmfg: Through pncconf
09:48 PM Dubmfg: and some editing to add debounce
09:48 PM andypugh: OK, so not a copy-paste error then.
09:48 PM andypugh: Could be a copy-paste error then :-)
09:49 PM Dubmfg: the Y axis limit gives me the axis 2 error, so Im going to swap those two wires on my 7i76
09:49 PM andypugh: Easier to reconfigure in HAL
09:50 PM andypugh: (Swap the GPIO pin numbers)
09:51 PM andypugh: Could also be one signal to more than one axis.N.pos-lim-sw-in
09:51 PM andypugh: Can you pastebin the HAL file? (www.pastebin.ca)
09:52 PM Dubmfg: I can, just give me a minute here. Im running of cell data in a barn, its a bit of an effort to get the files all transferred to my pc that isnt the controller
09:53 PM Dubmfg: I will report back in a few mins though, im fairly certain the error was in my wiring
10:04 PM andypugh: 0230, I need to log off. Hope you come back with good news.
10:05 PM Dubmfg: ITS ALIIIIIIIIVE
10:05 PM Dubmfg: Andy <3
10:06 PM Dubmfg: Ive been working on this goddamn Mach3 -> Pathpilot failure -> LinuxCNC (Now a win!) for 5 consecutive 10 hour days. Fuck have I learned a lot.
10:23 PM Cromaglious_: wheeeeee Y axis is working again... need to figure out why the cable wasnt working well
10:23 PM Wolf_: yay
10:24 PM Wolf_: I got my “toy” laser module today
10:24 PM Wolf_: now if I just had the parts for the rest of the damn machine
10:27 PM Cromaglious_: heh
10:28 PM roycroft: congratulations, dubmfg
10:28 PM roycroft: now you are free!
10:28 PM Wolf_: waiting on the gt2 pulleys and idlers and no actual specs so I can’t model and print parts
10:28 PM Cromaglious_: I'm waiting on gt2 belt and idlers
10:29 PM roycroft: i'm waiting on finding a new lathe before i make any more progress on my cnc mill
10:30 PM roycroft: another reason i'm searching so hard for one now
10:31 PM Cromaglious_: instead of using the aviation plug I'm using http://www.ebay.com/itm/10pcs-Mini-5-08mm-4Pin-Plug-in-Screw-Terminal-Block-Straight-Connector-Pitch-/201779666045?hash=item2efb015c7d:g:ZYwAAOSwImRYc8mq on my y cable.
10:31 PM Wolf_: my stupid plan is to get the big laser done, then make stacked acrylic parts to get the X2 moving enough to make aluminum parts for it
10:31 PM Wolf_: http://i.imgur.com/4T5zBjC.jpg looked bigger on the order page…
10:32 PM Wolf_: but it does burn wood with no problem http://i.imgur.com/2WblNO2.jpg … that was at 50% power
10:33 PM Wolf_: also free hand in the beam, so not really focused
10:34 PM Cromaglious_: Just ordered 3... whopping $3.09usd http://www.ebay.com/itm/201577056175
10:35 PM Wolf_: sounds expensive
10:35 PM Wolf_: probably someone selling 10x pack for $5
10:36 PM Cromaglious_: probably... just need 1 right now... need the other 2 when I replace X and Z cables
10:37 PM Wolf_: nice, 5pcs of the 6pin for $6.46
10:38 PM Wolf_: better 10x for $10.20… *hits buy now
10:38 PM Cromaglious_: $950 for 10pcs 4 pin socket M16 and plug GX16
10:38 PM Cromaglious_: $9.50 for 10pcs 4 pin socket M16 and plug GX16
10:39 PM Wolf_: I want 6 pin!
10:40 PM Cromaglious_: heading home
10:55 PM SamSagaZ: hi guys, i have a little problem to connect my hardware, i have an 48V Spindle, an 5 axis breakout board and an spindle pwm controller like https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/519xLQiVb0L.jpg
10:55 PM Wolf_: ok and?
10:56 PM SamSagaZ: i cant figure how connect it :(
10:56 PM Wolf_: wires
10:56 PM SamSagaZ: :/
10:57 PM SamSagaZ: i will connect the 48V PSU to the spindle PWM controller, the spindle to the controller
10:57 PM Wolf_: pwm signal that is assigned to one of the BOB pins to the pwm control input on the spindle controller
10:57 PM roycroft: nikola tesla is frowning upon you from his grave, wolf_
10:58 PM Wolf_: pwm spindle signal from linux cnc *
10:58 PM Wolf_: ok, wireless hookup
10:58 PM GregB is now known as Guest28451
11:00 PM SamSagaZ: Wolf_, http://www.elcesiyejn.com/IMAGE_DING/1849.JPG need to connect P1 (PWM) and PCGND to the PWM board?
11:00 PM SamSagaZ: PWM in+ to P1 and PWM in- to PCGND?
11:01 PM Wolf_: I think, you would think that something like that would be documented somewher
11:01 PM SamSagaZ: i think that its the right way but dont want to burn anything :)
11:02 PM SamSagaZ: well, will try it
11:02 PM SamSagaZ: thanks
11:02 PM roycroft: don't let the magic smoke escape
11:02 PM * Wolf_ is making a rough guess at this btw
11:02 PM roycroft: you can never put it back
11:02 PM Wolf_: pwm out should be 5v? on the bob