#linuxcnc Logs

Mar 13 2017

#linuxcnc Calendar

12:00 AM Crom: Oops not the button to push
12:03 AM Crom: Motors, sprockets, chain for a maslow is $80
12:04 AM Crom: I have a mega and a 297 motor driver
12:05 AM Crom: Add another $20 for the z axis
12:08 AM chopper79: Found myself in the depths of you tube hell. Trying to figure out how watching videos of machining ended up getting to BDSM by just clicking machine video after machine video then BDSM tutorials started showing up in video choices.
12:08 AM XXCoder: no bsdm here but tons of 10list shit channels :(
12:08 AM Crom: Hmmm. Just a thought for a. Chain coupled dual screw z axis going around a router you could use a ghost sprocket to get the chain around the router
12:09 AM chopper79: Oh... May have taken a shift when I clicked on one that was called extreme machine porn
12:09 AM chopper79: youtube must have started population videos that machined those words maybe.
12:09 AM chopper79: matched those words
12:10 AM XXCoder: lol I watched that too
12:10 AM XXCoder: odd that mine dont have those suggestions still. bunch of 10lists like I said
12:10 AM chopper79: either way I got out while I could. Youtube is a funny place
12:12 AM XXCoder: yeah
12:13 AM chopper79: Get to start working on rebuilding a nachi st-200 robot arm tomorrow.
12:15 AM Cromaglious_: home at last!
12:16 AM XXCoder: yay
12:26 AM chopper79: Went out to shut the chicken coop door and I am missing a bird. Temps are dropping an 6" of snow on the way. It was the wifes favorite one....
12:28 AM chopper79: Have to have a talk with the rooster and remind him to keep track of his girls.
12:28 AM XXCoder: I found it
12:29 AM XXCoder: its in my belly
12:29 AM chopper79: lol... I guess if I find it tomorrow morning it will have been pre-frozen for us
12:30 AM chopper79: defeathering will be a pain though
12:37 AM XXCoder: guess so
12:58 AM Cromaglious_: Still trying to install Estlcam
01:01 AM MacGalempsy: hello
01:01 AM XXCoder: yo
01:01 AM XXCoder: crom its pretty decent
01:01 AM MacGalempsy: whats happenin?
01:01 AM XXCoder: so yeah do recommand try ,make it work
01:02 AM XXCoder: talking about estlcam
01:02 AM MacGalempsy: not familiar w that one
01:02 AM XXCoder: its pretty cheap
01:02 AM XXCoder: good for 2d
01:03 AM XXCoder: or engrave
01:03 AM MacGalempsy: ah ok. so many cams
01:03 AM XXCoder: indeed
01:04 AM Cromaglious_: yeay found winetricks!
01:04 AM XXCoder: yay
01:05 AM MacGalempsy: is that like drinking from 2 glasses at the same time?
01:05 AM XXCoder: lol no
01:05 AM XXCoder: its addon to wine
01:05 AM Cromaglious_: kinda.. I don't have a winbloz box...
01:05 AM XXCoder: it helps make stuff like install windows programs easier
01:05 AM MacGalempsy: oh.
01:05 AM Cromaglious_: to run ESTLcam I needto wine a bit
01:06 AM XXCoder: drinking wine while installing and fixing wine
01:06 AM XXCoder: dont wine while wining
01:06 AM MacGalempsy: its interesting how and "unlimited" data plan throttles back at 22gb
01:07 AM Cromaglious_: ugh... installing .net 4 onto a linux machine yuck!
01:07 AM MacGalempsy: but for $5 more a month we went from 15gb to 44gb
01:08 AM XXCoder: I couldnt get this to work http://www.scorchworks.com/Fengrave/fengrave.html#download
01:08 AM XXCoder: its more limited too
01:08 AM MacGalempsy: the guy was like if you try to go back to the 15gb plan you'll pay more...
01:08 AM Cromaglious_: Length: 563934504 (538M) [application/octet-stream] Saving to: ‘windows6.1-KB976932-X86.exe’
01:08 AM Cromaglious_: BLOAT!!!! Can anyone say BLOAT!!!!!!
01:09 AM XXCoder: not microsoft apparently
01:10 AM Cromaglious_: 20m 31s to go....
01:26 AM Cromaglious_: $59 USD for ESTLcam I'll buy it once I get money..
01:27 AM XXCoder: yeah im not 100% on buying yet but I will if I like it
01:27 AM XXCoder: fcrave have very good inlay design stuff
01:27 AM XXCoder: but can do that in estlcam also
01:44 AM Cromaglious_: ugh... running winetricks on my account now instead of root... ugh...
01:47 AM Cromaglious_: How do you use Linuxcnc to find the airspeed of an unladen swallow?
01:48 AM XXCoder: easy
01:48 AM XXCoder: start linuxcnc
01:48 AM XXCoder: go outside and catch swallow
01:48 AM XXCoder: attach speed sensor to it, setup connection to laptop
01:48 AM XXCoder: find speed
01:52 AM XXCoder: go back to linuxcnc and finish your project you ADHD person
02:19 AM CaptHindsight: African or European swallow?
02:34 AM IchGucksLive: Good morning from Germany
02:34 AM IchGucksLive: its sinny 9hr expected today but freezing cold
02:35 AM XXCoder: hey ich
02:35 AM XXCoder: I got estlcam to work
02:35 AM XXCoder: pretty cool
02:35 AM XXCoder: I will make program during week and make something at weekebd
02:35 AM IchGucksLive: bad is the behavir on Tool decision and depth
02:35 AM XXCoder: you heard of f-crave?
02:36 AM XXCoder: http://www.scorchworks.com/Fengrave/fengrave.html
02:36 AM IchGucksLive: i got abuot 100 sheets of wood in 20feet distance to go to the mill today
02:37 AM IchGucksLive: d-curve only gets the path
02:38 AM IchGucksLive: f-crave engrave-11
02:38 AM XXCoder: I emant f-engrave heh misrememebred name
02:38 AM IchGucksLive: while estlcam carves out to part zero so you get sharp edges
02:39 AM XXCoder: yeah my research shows estlcam can do more
02:39 AM IchGucksLive: that is why im using it
02:39 AM IchGucksLive: estlcam is the main to go hasrd on a chees
02:40 AM IchGucksLive: as "wirbelfräsen" totorial milling is included
02:40 AM IchGucksLive: but it gives you only g1 lines
02:40 AM IchGucksLive: so on a bigger part its about 100k+ lines
02:40 AM XXCoder: estlcam only do g1?
02:40 AM IchGucksLive: no
02:41 AM IchGucksLive: on the path type
02:41 AM IchGucksLive: ok im off
02:41 AM IchGucksLive: Have a cool bitbreaking Day
02:42 AM XXCoder: ahh
02:42 AM XXCoder: and hes gone
03:46 AM jesseg: Anyone still use pluto these days? LOL
03:47 AM XXCoder: dunno I dont think humans have visited that dwarf planet besides one probe
03:47 AM archivist: I see the occasional mention perhaps once a year
03:48 AM jesseg: yeah I think it was essentially problematic to the point of being essentially unusable
03:50 AM jesseg: anyway my brother and I are giving one a last gallant effort... made a double-sided PCB with ample ground plane and everything, see if we can make it go good. Got it years and years ago when it was a twinkling star, just can't bare to throw it out like it deserves :P
03:50 AM XXCoder: what is pluto anyway, besides that planet?
03:51 AM jesseg: XXCoder, http://www.knjn.com/FPGA-Parallel.html
03:52 AM jesseg: It was used a few years ago as the bridge between EMC (which it probably was then) and the printer port and the H-Bridge drivers and motor encoders
03:52 AM XXCoder: fairly awful site deisgn
03:52 AM jesseg: but it was fraught with problems, like insufficient termination on the printer port side of things, etc.
03:52 AM archivist: jesseg, see dev mailing list re recent parallel port updates
03:53 AM jesseg: archivist, oh for pluto?
03:53 AM jesseg: what mailing list....?
03:55 AM archivist: jon elson just found a port direction problem, there is a git update of a day or so ago
03:55 AM jesseg: thanks I'll let my brother know
03:56 AM archivist: see thread [Emc-developers] quirk in PCIe parallel port cards "defined"
03:57 AM jesseg: On mail-archive.com ?
03:58 AM jesseg: I am not familiar with any Linux CNC mailing list.
03:58 AM archivist: where ever linuxcnc mailing lists are
03:58 AM archivist: there are two user and dev
04:02 AM jesseg: thanks! I'll let him know. However, he's, writing his own multiboot (i.e. his C++ code running by itself in place of kernel) PID control software that runs on an embedded 667Mhz PC-Compatible mini computer which will accept higher level commands via RS232 from LinuxCNC
04:03 AM jesseg: he's using the 667Mhz single board computer (with 256M of ram, ethernet, serial, etc) as a giant micro booting directly into his PID loop code
04:04 AM jesseg: and it'll receive positioning data from LinuxCNC while interfacing to pluto
04:04 AM jesseg: well good night folks
04:08 AM archivist: er wot a mix
04:59 AM Deejay: moin
05:10 AM Spida: is it possible to control 3d printers with linuxcnc?
05:10 AM XXCoder: yeah
05:11 AM XXCoder: it just is missing some gcode support
05:11 AM XXCoder: you have to strip those out and manually set temperate yourself
05:11 AM XXCoder: pink proved it
05:13 AM jthornton: morning
05:13 AM XXCoder: hey jt
05:13 AM XXCoder: I got estlcam to work, and its definitely interesting
05:14 AM XXCoder: cant wait to try make stuff with programs from it.
05:16 AM malcom2073: I ran my 3d printer with linuxcnc for a while
05:16 AM malcom2073: I even tied the heater M commands into python scripts to turn on/off my heater
05:18 AM XXCoder: interesting
05:18 AM XXCoder: we need to push gcodes and mcodes of 3d print into linuxcnc
05:18 AM XXCoder: because those hosts is shit
05:18 AM XXCoder: no e-stop, no real coordiate support, so on and on
05:19 AM XXCoder: I HATE the fact that machine has no way for me to stop it
05:19 AM malcom2073: XXCoder: They already have, it's called machinekit
05:19 AM XXCoder: dunno havent looked into machinekit. any good?
05:20 AM malcom2073: It works pretty good. I used it on a beagleboneblack which didn't have enough video horsepower to run linuxcnc (machinekit supports remote control), it worked well
05:20 AM XXCoder: I wonder if machinekit can run on CHIP lol
05:21 AM XXCoder: if so, I can make much smaller computer control 3d printer.
05:21 AM malcom2073: The BBB has an onboard realtime co-processor for the step clock, which is what made it ideal
05:21 AM malcom2073: anything else, you'll have to use something offboard (fpga card)
05:22 AM malcom2073: I've been wanting to try the raspberry pi with an ethernet mesa, I've heard it works well
05:22 AM XXCoder: CHIP has onboard video card
05:22 AM XXCoder: not fancy but workls
05:22 AM malcom2073: XXCoder: Does it have onboard video acceleraton though?
05:22 AM XXCoder: yeah
05:22 AM malcom2073: BBB has onboard video, but no acceleration
05:22 AM malcom2073: Then it would likely run fine
05:23 AM XXCoder: dunno as it has 514 mb ram
05:24 AM malcom2073: If you're gonna spend $10 for the chip, just spend $30 for the pi
05:24 AM XXCoder: oh I already have it
05:24 AM XXCoder: "already has" is free heh
05:24 AM malcom2073: The amount of effort required to avoid buying the right hardware is often significantly more expensive than the hardware :-P
05:24 AM XXCoder: I suppose lol
05:25 AM malcom2073: That being said, give it a shot! :)
05:25 AM XXCoder: I just want check and test stuff, dont think will work
05:28 AM XXCoder: been too lazy lol
05:28 AM XXCoder: I want to try stuff with cip
05:28 AM XXCoder: it has plenty of pin outs
05:30 AM XXCoder: maybe I can use cnc router to make some sort of machine and use CHIP and servos
05:31 AM malcom2073: You'd still need mesa though afaik
05:32 AM XXCoder: RAMPS on my 3d printer
05:32 AM XXCoder: I dont plan to use CHIP for cnc router
05:35 AM XXCoder: dammit
05:36 AM XXCoder: I cant remember what oil is good for ways
05:36 AM XXCoder: someone recommanded that brand but cant remember
05:36 AM jthornton: way oil
05:36 AM XXCoder: yeah for rods, ballscrews so on
05:37 AM jthornton: https://www.mcmaster.com/#way-oil/=16qg0g2
05:37 AM XXCoder: pail lol
05:38 AM XXCoder: how much do I use on say cnc router small one?
05:39 AM Deejay: plenty! ;)
05:39 AM XXCoder: so pour all over?
05:39 AM XXCoder: heh
05:39 AM Deejay: haha
05:40 AM jthornton: dip it in the pail
05:40 AM Deejay: put a case around and fill it all up ;)
05:40 AM XXCoder: ah yes
05:40 AM XXCoder: vactra oil
05:40 AM XXCoder: #4 I think
05:41 AM XXCoder: yep
05:41 AM XXCoder: 5 gal only on amazon
05:41 AM jthornton: your router has ways?
05:42 AM XXCoder: not too sure on definition of ways
05:42 AM XXCoder: it has rods and ballscrews
05:43 AM XXCoder: also want it for 3d printer, also rods, and leadscrews
05:43 AM jthornton: http://www.benchtest.com/images/saddlecheck2.jpg
05:43 AM jthornton: ways
05:43 AM XXCoder: ah yes
05:43 AM XXCoder: nope dont have
05:43 AM XXCoder: isnt rods need em also, to prevent wear and promate smooth movement
05:44 AM XXCoder: ugh I hate essental oil
05:44 AM XXCoder: appears each time I search for oil
05:45 AM XXCoder: and its puesdoscience mades me angry
05:45 AM XXCoder: unfortunately not hulk up angry lol
05:45 AM jthornton: http://www.thomsonlinear.com/website/com/eng/products/linear_bearings_and_guides.php
05:45 AM XXCoder: gray text on white. lovely
05:45 AM XXCoder: light gray even
05:47 AM jthornton: looks like Thomson uses grease after cleaning
05:48 AM jthornton: http://www.thomsonlinear.com/downloads/webinars/QA_NA_Lubrication_101.pdf
05:49 AM XXCoder: "As this is probably unrealistic in most applications, the use of an
05:49 AM XXCoder: industrial degreaser and rag is sufficient in most cases."
05:49 AM XXCoder: Q: I'm curious...What IS the number one lubrication mistake? A: Lack thereof! This is by far the largest lubrication mistake.
05:50 AM XXCoder: my 3d printer dont have any
05:50 AM XXCoder: cnc router has em on ballscrews but I think not rods
05:54 AM XXCoder: interesting'
09:13 AM JT-Shop: damn snow killed my satellite
09:24 AM cradek: you're free!
09:28 AM JT-Shop: yea, free to not be able to print my shipping labels lol
09:38 AM cradek: wow, it's the future. you need help from something *in orbit* to print a label
09:39 AM cradek: (I figured you were talking about TV reception)
09:44 AM JT-Shop: I don't watch much TV. I use stamps.com to print my postage at a slight discount
11:12 AM Charly57: Hello
11:33 AM IchGucksLive: Hi from a sunset Germany
11:36 AM IchGucksLive: off till later
12:13 PM Cromaglious_: well I totally borked my laptop last night... trying to get ESTLcam working... I thing I ended up installing kerbor???? authentication so when I rebooted had nothing to auth again.st
12:14 PM Cromaglious_: got it in runlevel S (Recovery mode)
12:26 PM Loetmichel: Cromaglious_: kerberos?
12:26 PM Cromaglious_: needed... cnc dog clipper... actively scan dog, cut g=hair while do is moving
12:27 PM Cromaglious_: s/do/dog
12:27 PM Cromaglious_: that's the word...
12:27 PM Loetmichel: easy solution: sedate the dog... ;)
12:28 PM Cromaglious_: with what?
12:28 PM Cromaglious_: bendryl?
12:28 PM Loetmichel: IIRC kerberos only works if you are in a windows Domain. I may be mistaken though, my linux fu isnt all that great ;)
12:28 PM Loetmichel: dont know what works for dogs
12:28 PM Cromaglious_: I'm installing wine....
12:29 PM Cromaglious_: I'll see if I can get back to /etc/passwd shadow logins
12:29 PM gregcnc: https://youtu.be/oMREA_XLQ1A?t=1m11s
12:33 PM skunkworks: painful
12:34 PM gregcnc: http://www.misorobotics.com/ saw this in some article talking about a chain that was going to add these this year
01:33 PM IchGucksLive: hi
02:09 PM roycroft: i have decided not to pursue that cazeneuve lathe
02:09 PM roycroft: besides being well over my budget, it's just too big to fit in my shop comfortably
02:10 PM roycroft: it seems like a great lathe, though
02:11 PM sync_: they are
02:12 PM IchGucksLive: you can find one on your buget
02:12 PM roycroft: probably not a cazeneuve
02:13 PM roycroft: this is the first one i've ever seen
02:13 PM roycroft: i didn't even know what they were until a few days ago
02:13 PM roycroft: https://portland.craigslist.org/clc/tls/6038633904.html
02:13 PM roycroft: a beautiful machine
02:14 PM roycroft: but it's the size of the machine more than the cost that is the issue
02:14 PM roycroft: it's pretty big
02:14 PM roycroft: and i would also need a large transformer for it
02:14 PM roycroft: and a 3-phase converter as well
02:15 PM roycroft: going from standard 240vac split-phase to 380v 3 phase takes two big boxes
02:15 PM roycroft: standard in the us, that is
02:17 PM sync_: don't you get 480V 3 phase?
02:17 PM sync_: you can just step down from there
02:17 PM roycroft: no, i don't
02:17 PM roycroft: 240v split phase is what i have
02:17 PM roycroft: my shop is on my property, which is in a residential area
02:18 PM roycroft: the nearest 3 phase is several blocks away, and i can't afford to bring it over
02:18 PM roycroft: especially since all utilities are underground here
02:18 PM MediocreN: roycroft: also that they are like 6000lbs...
02:18 PM MediocreN: :(
02:18 PM roycroft: yes, there is that too
02:18 PM roycroft: the thing is bloody heavy
02:19 PM MediocreN: need a damn crane to move the bastard lol
02:19 PM sync_: nah
02:20 PM sync_: you can put it on casters
02:20 PM MediocreN: lol
02:20 PM sync_: I am not joking
02:20 PM roycroft: it could be rolled into place
02:20 PM MediocreN: seriously? they will support 3tons?
02:20 PM sync_: yes
02:20 PM MediocreN: jesus... what are they making the wheels out of
02:20 PM roycroft: i would not put a precision lathe on casters though
02:20 PM sync_: steel
02:20 PM roycroft: perhaps to move it in place
02:21 PM sync_: yes of course to move it into your place
02:21 PM roycroft: but it would be anchored to the floor once placed
02:21 PM roycroft: and then carefully levelled
02:21 PM sync_: pfft, if my place didn't have 3 phase I'd move
02:21 PM roycroft: but i could roll it in place with a bunch of pipes
02:21 PM sync_: everything would have to be universal motors or cap motors, which all suck
02:22 PM _methods: you can just use those moving casters
02:22 PM _methods: you can rent them
02:22 PM roycroft: however
02:23 PM roycroft: when i listed the two reasons i did not want to pursue it above
02:23 PM _methods: yeah
02:23 PM roycroft: the weight and ability to move it into the shop were not on that list
02:23 PM _methods: i was just commenting on the caster thing
02:23 PM sync_: I like the hydraulic driven casters
02:24 PM sync_: we moved our ion implanter in the cleanroom with them
02:24 PM _methods: http://rigging.com/dollies-and-skates/roller-dollies/mark-dollies/
02:26 PM _methods: http://rigging.com/dollies-and-skates/powered-dollies/air-powered-transport-dollies/
02:26 PM _methods: pneumatic powered ones
02:26 PM _methods: from shop air
02:26 PM sync_: yup, we had hydraulic ones, same thing really
02:27 PM sync_: worked really well
02:27 PM sync_: although it was a bit of a hassle alltogether as someone who built the cleanroom used the exact dimensions of the ion implanter for the door
02:27 PM _methods: ouch
02:27 PM sync_: so we had ~15mm all around to get it in
02:27 PM _methods: nice and tight
02:29 PM MediocreN: lmao
02:29 PM MediocreN: that's epic
02:30 PM sync_: well, we were lucky that we even had the door
02:30 PM sync_: that was a huge hassle to get that built in when the new building was constructed
02:31 PM sync_: as it increased the cost quite a bit
02:34 PM IchGucksLive: i did a Youtube on How to Get a Cam for Todorial milling Path on LINUX Estlcam 32Bit on 64Bit system
02:34 PM IchGucksLive: https://youtu.be/5c02t1fUIm8
02:34 PM IchGucksLive: with english / Best i can Advices
02:36 PM IchGucksLive: im off Gn8
02:37 PM chopper79: opps....broke the leads off my gear tooth sensor. I knew I should have purchased more then I needed.
02:39 PM chopper79: Hope my fix works. Used Xacto and exsposed a bit of the lead from the case. Soldered the legs back on and then epoxy them in place so they do not move again. If anything I will use this one or the index sensor which is easy to replace if needed.
02:58 PM andypugh: Connor: Did you try Amazon for a gear?
03:03 PM chopper79: So far my fix is working well.
03:04 PM chopper79: Real test will be when I hook it up to see if it still works
03:14 PM Crom: finally! got estlcam running... trying to oad file now
03:15 PM chopper79: Sweet
03:16 PM Crom: not coming up with a load file
03:16 PM chopper79: Boo
03:16 PM chopper79: I have yet to try estlcam. I have seen it around but not tried.
03:50 PM chopper79: andypugh: When you wired your gear tooth sensors. How was A, B, Z, A-, B-, Z- figured out?
03:51 PM sync_: just connect one to a scope and search for the complement
03:52 PM chopper79: I see that pins 3 and 4 on the senosr are tied to ground. Pin 1 is Vcc and hen pin 2 is the output.
03:52 PM andypugh: A and B are interchangeable.
03:53 PM andypugh: I was able to just connect the output pin directly to a Mesa card GPIO.
03:53 PM chopper79: So on thr 7i77 I would not conenct A-, B-, Z-
03:54 PM chopper79: Just A, B, Z
03:54 PM andypugh: I think you can connect to just the A+ B+ Z+ for single-ended, though something at the back of my brain is suggesting that actuall A- B- Z- is correct.
03:56 PM andypugh: Reading the manual “
03:56 PM andypugh: The 7I77 provides six channels of quadrature encoder interface with index. Encoder inputs can be programmed for differential or single ended encoders. The encoder interface also provides short circuit protected 5V power to the encoders. When used with single ended encoders, the ENCA+, ENCB+ and IDX+ signals are wired to the encoder and the ENCA-,ENCB-, and IDX- terminal left unconnected."
03:56 PM andypugh: The jumpers are set to the right hand position for differential inputs and the left hand position for single ended inputs.
03:57 PM chopper79: I am going through manual now also.
03:57 PM andypugh: PAge 3 and Page 14
03:58 PM R2E4_bevins1: andypugh: your multiple spindle work, is it for simultanous or single with a selection?
03:59 PM andypugh: Simultaneous
03:59 PM andypugh: Though I think you can only (for example) thread with one spindle at a time.
04:00 PM chopper79: andypugh: Awesome... thank you for the help on the wiring for the sensors. I have never worked with them before so was not fully sure
04:00 PM andypugh: It won’t be going in 2.8, I don’t think, it’s a bit wikd for that.
04:00 PM Crom_: Ugh... Got to take apart my control again
04:00 PM Crom_: control box
04:02 PM Crom_: pin 10 to grnd is not making x-home change state
04:03 PM Crom_: finally got back into my laptop.. removed kerberos and reinstalled /etc/pam.d/comm*
04:04 PM R2E4_bevins1: Another question, in the remap for toolchanger I am trying to get a grip on it. The racktoolchanger in the sim, refer3ences P0, P1 3etc... for ins and outs, but I cannot find how they tie into hal pins. Can you someone drop a short explanation?
04:10 PM andypugh: They control motion.digital-out-00 pins (and friends)
04:12 PM R2E4_bevins1: and the motion.digital-out-xx pins come from where?
04:13 PM andypugh: From the motion module
04:13 PM andypugh: (Maybe I don’t understand the question)
04:14 PM R2E4_bevins1: know you did..... I just checked the docs.... That explains it
04:25 PM Connor: andypugh: No. I haven't.
04:37 PM Nick-Shop: when checking a on an encoder-should I see some sort of square wave or just a horizontal line jump as I'm seeing now?
04:38 PM pcw_mesa: square wave if in continuous motion
04:39 PM Deejay: gn8
04:40 PM Connor: andypugh: Just looked.. very few 20T and they're not the right style. This one is concave to mate with the worm.. The ones on amazon are for tractors..
04:48 PM Nick-Shop: <pcw_mesa>just the one I need - 7i77 is giving me a headache - not seeing index in hal or meter - certainly doesn't see it for homing or in spindle mode. Scope finds a flash of the index. Yesterday wasn't seeing a or b yet the screen was updating for position.
04:49 PM Nick-Shop: Still trying to figure out how to see a square wave on this scope.
04:53 PM skunkworks: Nick-Shop, http://electronicsam.com/images/matsuura/oscope.jpg
04:55 PM andypugh: Connor: Ah. Yes. I don’t suppose you have any idea what the gear pitch is?
04:55 PM pcw_mesa: I would not expect to see index in halscope
04:56 PM Connor: Not a clue. I can take pictures of it.. or send it off along with the worm..
04:56 PM andypugh: http://www.hpcgears.com/pdf_c33/15.66-15.69.pdf
04:56 PM Connor: Not in a super hurry for it.. but. Would like to get a replacement. We picked up the saw for $100.00
04:56 PM Connor: it's a nice one except for the blown gear train.
04:57 PM pcw_mesa: Nick-Shop: the way to check for index is to setp the encoder index-enable pin and see it it gets cleared when you pass the index position
04:58 PM pcw_mesa: it is likely much to short to see with halscope or halmeter
05:00 PM Nick-Shop: I think i'm seeing it on the scope - just a flash till I get a handle on all the knobs. Any reason I'm seeing a&b on hal meter and not on hal configuration?
05:03 PM os1r1s: Does linuxcnc require the G10 command for a tool offset?
05:03 PM Nick-Shop: <skunkworks> Thanks for the pic-wish my scope was that easy - have a Texronix 2235 with a LOT of knobs and settings
05:06 PM enleth_ is now known as enleth
05:14 PM * JT-Shop thinks his scope is a similar Texronix with a bunch of knobs
05:17 PM roycroft: nick-shop: if you're seeing an offset horizontal line you should have a knob that says sec/div or a and b sec/div
05:17 PM roycroft: that sets the amount of time per vertical division
05:17 PM Nick-Shop: did you figure out what does what?
05:17 PM roycroft: try adjusting that and see if you get multiple groups of those "offset" lines
05:18 PM roycroft: if you see a horizontal line in the lower left part of the screen and a horizontal line in the upper right part of the screen, or vice-versa, that may be a single cycle of a square wave
05:19 PM roycroft: adjusting the time per division should let you see more than one cycle
05:19 PM Nick-Shop: just a dot going across the screen and it changes as I move the knob
05:19 PM roycroft: how does it change?
05:20 PM Nick-Shop: just the speed of the dot
05:20 PM roycroft: is the dot in the middle of the screen, or approximately in the middle?
05:21 PM roycroft: vertically, that is
05:21 PM roycroft: if not, use the vertical position knob for the channel you are using (probably channel 1) and center it
05:21 PM roycroft: then adjust the volts/div selector for that channel
05:21 PM Nick-Shop: moving from left to right
05:22 PM roycroft: left to right is time
05:22 PM roycroft: top to bottom is voltage
05:22 PM roycroft: if it's a dot, you probably need fewer volts/division
05:23 PM Tom_L: or a faster sweep rate
05:23 PM roycroft: he's been adjusting that already
05:23 PM Nick-Shop: that moves it up and off the screen
05:23 PM roycroft: there's a trigger button as well
05:23 PM roycroft: if you press that the display will sync to each cycle
05:24 PM roycroft: and the signal will quit wandering across the screen
05:24 PM Tom_L: yeah, pull the trigger... just don't look down the barrel when you dl
05:24 PM Tom_L: do
05:24 PM Nick-Shop: whole bunch of stuff for a trigger
05:26 PM * roycroft has a 475a
05:26 PM roycroft: a nice, vintage 'scope :)
05:26 PM Tom_L: i hardly ever use mine anymore
05:27 PM Tom_L: LA got all my lcnc logic figured out for me
05:31 PM os1r1s: Does linuxcnc require the G10 command for a tool offset?
05:33 PM Tom_L: for cutter comp?
05:33 PM Tom_L: no
05:34 PM os1r1s: I guess with just the T1 M6 and the G43, it should work ...
05:34 PM os1r1s: Right?
05:35 PM Tom_L: list the H offset for the tool
05:35 PM Tom_L: so it knows which one
05:35 PM os1r1s: Ahh, so G43 H1
05:35 PM Tom_L: generally it's the same as the tool number
05:35 PM os1r1s: And likewise, T2 would be H2
05:35 PM os1r1s: Got it
05:36 PM os1r1s: Trying to get fusion360 set up with tool tables and such for linuxcnc
05:37 PM Tom_L: you specify the G43 Hx with a linear move. it doesn't take effect until the tool actually moves
05:37 PM Tom_L: i usually specify it on a short z axis move to the material
05:37 PM os1r1s: Tom_L What coordinate system does it reflect the change in?
05:37 PM os1r1s: So if I flip between several offsets, I would be able to see the change
05:38 PM Tom_L: it uses the tool offset you set in your tool table
05:38 PM Tom_L: you mean G54..59?
05:38 PM Tom_L: would be the same
05:39 PM Tom_L: those would also be fixture offsets stored in a file
05:39 PM os1r1s: Well, I think absolute coordinates are always the same. Then you have the fixture coordinates. And I think world coordinates
05:39 PM os1r1s: Right?
05:39 PM Tom_L: i try to use work offsets
05:40 PM Tom_L: G54 etc
05:50 PM Cromaglious_: wanders by... looking for steppers with encorders on them at the usual supects
05:52 PM Cromaglious_: cheaper to by a stepper with integral driver and encoder
05:57 PM Cromaglious_: wooo 142ozin 36v integrated $77 on aliexpress
06:04 PM Cromaglious_: $87 for a 283ozin 2nm integrated closed loop stepper for $87.18 incl shipping
06:04 PM Cromaglious_: $91 for a 3nm 420ozin
06:05 PM CaptHindsight: whos got 3mm male - female stand offs for cheap? Keystones are ~$1ea
06:06 PM CaptHindsight: heh well at Digikey anyway, they cleverly don't stock the 10 cent chinaco versions
06:09 PM pcw_mesa: we usually buy from Fascomp in FL
06:15 PM _methods: amazon
06:15 PM Cromaglious_: do they havbe metal? I use nylone for my stuff all the time?
06:15 PM JT-Shop: like this? https://mesaus.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=70&product_id=95
06:17 PM lunada_ is now known as lunada
06:19 PM CaptHindsight: _methods: I don't use amazon anymore. They tricked me too many times with their "want it by tomorrow" nonsense
06:19 PM CaptHindsight: by the time I get to the end of the order they add 1-2 more days to it
06:20 PM _methods: yeah i hate that too
06:20 PM _methods: i've been nailed by that a few times
06:22 PM Cromaglious_: mmmm nacho's using ritz crackers...
06:23 PM JT-Shop: CaptHindsight: how many M3 standoffs do you need?
06:23 PM Cromaglious_: brb
06:24 PM lunada_ is now known as lunada
06:24 PM CaptHindsight: JT-Shop: 100's
06:25 PM CaptHindsight: I have tons of nylon in stock
06:30 PM Cromaglious_: hmm m3 4mm w/ 6mm male 100pcs $8.80 free shipping
06:30 PM Cromaglious_: 5mm $11.12
06:32 PM _methods: just talk into your microwave and tell it what you want and amazon will ship it to you
06:32 PM CaptHindsight: Cromaglious_: brass or nylon?
06:32 PM Cromaglious_: CaptHindsight, how tall? brass or nylon? fleabay is showing braass 500pcs 10mm tall 6mm male M3 $44.50
06:32 PM Cromaglious_: standoffs
06:33 PM CaptHindsight: I just ordered a bunch
06:33 PM CaptHindsight: of both
06:33 PM _methods: thru your microwave?
06:33 PM _methods: it's listening you know
06:34 PM CaptHindsight: yes, and my toaster oven lies to me
06:34 PM Cromaglious_: I got a bunch of M2 nylons worthless pile of plastic...
06:34 PM _methods: heheh
06:34 PM JT-Shop: CaptHindsight: I could send you some but I don't have 100's
06:34 PM Cromaglious_: I need to get some more M3 nylons
06:35 PM CaptHindsight: M2 is pretty light for nylon
06:35 PM CaptHindsight: strips easily
06:35 PM Cromaglious_: no shit
06:35 PM Cromaglious_: if you press too hard you can push them right into the stand off
06:36 PM CaptHindsight: snap in, friction fit
06:52 PM Cromaglious_: just scored some more 1/2" 7 ply hard wood plywood and $80 worth of draw slides
06:53 PM Cromaglious_: cabinet side panels and some draw bottoms
06:54 PM Cromaglious_: got enough to build my CNC enclosure now
06:56 PM R2E4_bevins1: Remap M6 for toolchanger hurts my head!!!!
06:57 PM JT-Shop: remap makes me dizzy
06:57 PM R2E4_bevins1: When is someone going to write a CL component to send axis move commands, or at least mdi copmmands......
06:57 PM R2E4_bevins1: |That would be much easier....
06:58 PM R2E4_bevins1: At least when I am done, next one would be easier.
07:05 PM andypugh: remap is pretty easy once you have it calling the G-code (or the Python)
07:07 PM Cromaglious_: is this cpu fast for fusion 360? Core 2 Quad Q9550 2.83ghz
07:20 PM andypugh: GPU is more critical than CPU for 3D CAD
07:30 PM malcom2073: Plenty fast enough. Fusion 360 is a bit of a cpu hog, but that should be fine. You'll be limited by the GPU you can stick in such an old machine more
07:32 PM Wolf_: ram, cad likes ram as well
07:33 PM malcom2073: True, don't know that I've looked at ram usage while fiddling with fusion 360
07:33 PM Wolf_: more so when you open them assemblies up that have 500k parts
07:34 PM malcom2073: Heh, can you do that in f360?
07:34 PM R2E4_bevins1: yes Fusion360 has assemblies
07:36 PM malcom2073: I mean larger assemblies. Smaller assemblies had performance issues last time I tried it (like a year ago)
07:36 PM malcom2073: Though makes sense that they would be continuously fixing issues like that heh
07:37 PM Wolf_: idk, my current MacBook no likes fusion360, starts bitching about the GPU soon as I open it
07:37 PM R2E4_bevins1: Assemblies is more GPU and memory intensive.
07:38 PM R2E4_bevins1: I do small assemblies no problem....
07:38 PM malcom2073: By nature, yes
07:38 PM malcom2073: I meant in comparison to other cad packages, but I was trolling :-P
07:38 PM R2E4_bevins1: yeah but you can really see it as soon as you bring in a couple parts.
07:39 PM Wolf_: my other system is the other way around, no gpu issue, but run out of ram fast… 4gb don’t cut it
07:39 PM malcom2073: Ah that's a shame. I've been meaning to try it again
07:40 PM Wolf_: I’m thinking about a new mbp 15” so I can run fusion
07:44 PM Cromaglious_: Compared to all my other computers that thing is a race horse! and it's less than $200
07:45 PM malcom2073: I still had my Core2duo E6600 up until about 6 months ago
07:45 PM malcom2073: It was an amazong laptop
07:47 PM Tom_L: play on words or typo?
07:47 PM malcom2073: hah, typo
07:47 PM Tom_L: :)
07:47 PM malcom2073: it was amazing, lasted me near 8 years
07:47 PM malcom2073: Put a SSD in it, and upped it to 8GB of ram and it felt like new again
07:48 PM Tom_L: ssd does alot for things
07:48 PM malcom2073: It really does
07:48 PM malcom2073: It had something like a 5400rpm drive in it before that
07:49 PM Cromaglious_: ok off to home
07:50 PM Wolf_: wonder why the hell this mac feels so slow.. its a 2.8ghz i7 w/ 16gb ram
07:51 PM Tom_L: it's all relative
07:51 PM Wolf_: does have a shit GPU, intel hd 3000 512mb
07:51 PM Tom_L: as soon as hardware improves, software comes along to put a damper on it
07:53 PM malcom2073: Lol feels slow
07:53 PM malcom2073: Yeah, the faster the hardware gets, the lazier programmers get
07:54 PM Tom_L: i maintain some old dos apps and i must say compiling on a modern machine with SSD is awesome
07:54 PM malcom2073: Haha I'll bet
07:55 PM Wolf_: my other system is a i5-2500 3.3ghz but only 8gb ram, solid works eats that 8gb like candy, on the plus side that system has a geforce GTX 750Ti w/ 2gb onboad
07:55 PM malcom2073: I write software to be as snappy as possible from a user interface perspective. It takes a lot more effort, but it makes the applications feel..... old
07:55 PM malcom2073: hah, yeah SW is a ram hog
07:57 PM Tom_L: and with a nice screen res it's alot easier debugging code than on a 80x25 crt
08:00 PM malcom2073: I've never had the joys of debugging a dos application, didn't get into programming until well into the windows world
08:01 PM Tom_L: in some ways i miss it
08:02 PM Tom_L: writing oops stuff isn't native to me
08:03 PM Tom_L: i've been porting this to windows and honestly don't like how it's going
08:03 PM Tom_L: you just can't do what you could in dos
08:04 PM roycroft: i never coded anything for msdos
08:04 PM roycroft: but i did have to port code to sco xenix/unix
08:04 PM roycroft: and that microsoft compiler, with the memory mode crap, was loathesome to use
08:05 PM roycroft: getting back to real unix with pcc was a dream
08:05 PM roycroft: even early gcc was better than that m$ crap
08:06 PM malcom2073: MS still plays funny tricks with their compiler that you have to be careful of. They're not standards compliant in any way
08:14 PM roycroft: well sco are long gone
08:15 PM roycroft: except for their litigation department
08:15 PM roycroft: so i won't have to worry about that :)
08:21 PM {HD}: Can I DD the linuxcnc.iso directly to the HDD that will be running it? I have a computer I could like it on that has no cd/dvd/usb capabilities.
08:22 PM {HD}: could = would*
08:22 PM andypugh: You could probably DD it to a partition and then install into another partition.
08:23 PM {HD}: andypugh: I like that idea. Ill go pull the HDD from the device.
08:23 PM andypugh: Though I recently realised that a ÂŁ30 USB DVD drive was a much simpler solution.
08:24 PM jdh: or a $5 usb stick
08:25 PM andypugh: Making a bootable USB stick seems to be fraught with difficulty. And not all motherboards will boot from USB.
08:26 PM malcom2073: Making a bootable USB stick with linuxcnc*
08:26 PM andypugh: I bought the DVD drive after finding out that a USB stick that would boot other motherboards would not boot my CNC controller.
08:26 PM jdh: that would be a pain
08:26 PM os1r1s: Anyone use a haimer zero master?
08:27 PM andypugh: If you buy me one, I will use it :-)
08:27 PM os1r1s: haha
08:27 PM os1r1s: andypugh Are they considered good for part locating?
08:28 PM andypugh: They are cool, but actually for LinuxCNC you probably want a touch-probe.
08:28 PM os1r1s: andypugh I have a cheap touch probe ...
08:29 PM andypugh: That’s probably nearly as good, with the right software.
08:29 PM os1r1s: andypugh Any suggestings on a good one, at a reasonable price
08:29 PM andypugh: eBay Renishaw
08:29 PM Tom_L: jt recently got a cheap probe
08:29 PM Tom_L: dunno what kind it was
08:29 PM os1r1s: We have those at work. I think they are way out of my range :)
08:30 PM andypugh: also eBay “Renshaw” that’s why mine was cheap
08:30 PM andypugh: I paid £50 for my “Renshaw”
08:31 PM Wolf_: $160 for my renishaw
08:31 PM os1r1s: andypugh andypugh Which model would you recommenf?
08:32 PM andypugh: My MP3 is a bit too big for my mill. (though not so bad with a very short stylus)
08:32 PM os1r1s: I'm on a pm25 (g0704 size)
08:32 PM Wolf_: mp9 are fun
08:32 PM ripple: Crom: you around?
08:33 PM andypugh: I think archivist said that the TP series were a good size
08:33 PM Wolf_: TP is nice, MP1s is good if you can manage to catch one http://i.imgur.com/iXlVnfa.jpg
08:34 PM Wolf_: 3/4” shank on that
08:34 PM Crom: here
08:34 PM Crom: just walked in
08:34 PM ripple: I spent about 60 hours learning about kins
08:34 PM Crom: you look at the maslow code/
08:34 PM Crom: you look at the maslow code?
08:35 PM ripple: I have something put together but im not sure if its ok
08:35 PM ripple: I dont think so
08:35 PM Crom: it's for arduino mega, but math is math
08:35 PM ripple: It makes the machine move exactly as expected but when I hit stop or try to restart the program the X axis likes to jump toward 0, I thought maybe it was something in the kins
08:36 PM CaptHindsight: ever have an er-20 1/2" collet come loose?
08:36 PM andypugh: I should mention, as an option. I got an MP3 with the unductive interface. I removed all that to make it smaller and wired the probe section to a home-made magsafe connector.
08:37 PM andypugh: https://goo.gl/photos/ckaTYdjtb8Lfr9aV8
08:37 PM CaptHindsight: http://www.shars.com/er20-10-pcs-collet-set not very centered
08:37 PM Wolf_: MP9 is the IR version of the mp3 I think http://i.imgur.com/vL5jtDf.jpg
08:37 PM andypugh: Physical connection is find for me
08:38 PM Wolf_: ^ and that is without the probe end on the mp9
08:38 PM ripple: Crom: oh yeah thats cool I was just watching videos on that yesterday
08:38 PM * roycroft is still leaning towards a haimer
08:39 PM ripple: I thought a whiteboard drawning machine would be great addition for teachers exp science
08:39 PM andypugh: TP20 is nice and small. I think they magnetically mount on CMMs. You would need to make an adaptor shank.
08:40 PM andypugh: An electronic probe is handier for picking up hole sensors
08:40 PM Wolf_: tp uses a tip/screw contact
08:40 PM andypugh: I mean “centres”. No idea where “sensors” came from
08:41 PM ripple: Crom: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/8f1cc160356a75804924c7805fb9f95b
08:41 PM Wolf_: http://i.imgur.com/4yZABqT.jpg there is a TP female screw port in that pic there
08:41 PM roycroft: maybe if i find one of those great deals you folks talk about i'll think about a renishaw
08:41 PM roycroft: but mostly i see them in the $700+ range
08:42 PM os1r1s: andypugh That looks a bit tricky to make a mount for
08:42 PM Wolf_: I passed on some MP9/3 tips for $30 a few weeks ago
08:42 PM Wolf_: the probe sections
08:42 PM andypugh: roycroft: I don’t know how good these are. http://www.wildhorse-innovations.com/?_a=viewProd&productId=80
08:43 PM Wolf_: my full MP9 was $70, MP1s $100 shipped, Mi5 box $65
08:43 PM os1r1s: andypugh I have one very similar to that now
08:43 PM andypugh: roycroft: Set up eBay notifications.
08:43 PM Wolf_: ^ I get search dumps daily
08:44 PM andypugh: os1r1s: Any good?
08:44 PM roycroft: yes, i do that for several things i watch
08:44 PM os1r1s: andypugh http://www.deepgroove1.com/probe/probe.htm
08:44 PM os1r1s: That is the one I got
08:44 PM os1r1s: It works ok on my shertaig
08:46 PM Wolf_: really, not much to a probe http://i.imgur.com/X1ozLpw.jpg
08:46 PM os1r1s: I was just looking for something better for my bigger mill. Locating parts is my nemesis
08:46 PM roycroft: are the renishaw probe tips break-away like the haimer ones?
08:46 PM andypugh: If you look back at my picture there is an important difference. The Renishaw sits on a ball, with 4 screws, so you can exactly align the ball with the spindle axis.
08:46 PM roycroft: that wildhorse one does not look like it's break-away
08:46 PM Wolf_: haimer are great for touch off work
08:46 PM andypugh: My ceramic-shank Renishaw probe was break-apart.
08:46 PM roycroft: a wobble edge finder is fine for small holes
08:46 PM Wolf_: renishaw have either the ceramic stick or you can get a weak link for the steel
08:46 PM andypugh: TBH I was upset, but only ÂŁ20 upset
08:47 PM Crom: ripple, trying to figure out the machine... the 26 is throwing me for a loop
08:47 PM Crom: err s/machine/math/
08:48 PM Wolf_: http://i.imgur.com/i8YPSUE.png what andypugh just said about the ball and plate, look at the on-center adjusting plate
08:48 PM ripple: Crom: ill upload a video for you in a min
08:48 PM os1r1s: Wolf_ Is the shank removable on the mp8?
08:49 PM Crom: k
08:49 PM Wolf_: yeah, it is on all of them
08:49 PM chopper79: Well encoder is not working out so well.
08:49 PM Wolf_: my mp9 came with a monarch 45 taper IIRC
08:49 PM chopper79: The rpm is all over the palce and the index only works every one -three revolutions.
08:50 PM chopper79: Index does not work at all at high rpm.
08:50 PM Wolf_: andypugh: http://i.imgur.com/19Q097r.jpg how well do you think this was working, came with no ball installed
08:52 PM chopper79: should say the index input is not picking up the index mark at higher rpm and will read only every 1 - 3 rotations when at lets say 100 rpm. Any change of the gear tooth sensors not picking up a 80 tooth gear verses a 40 tooth gear?
08:52 PM andypugh: The ball is marked as optional. And you do need a very light-touch DTI to be able to usefully centre the ball.
08:52 PM chopper79: such as the spacing is to close?
08:53 PM gregcnc: what sensor are you using?
08:53 PM chopper79: ATS667LSGTN-T
08:53 PM chopper79: http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/allegro-microsystems-llc/ATS667LSGTN-T/620-1328-1-ND/2042758
08:53 PM Wolf_: andypugh: yeah but it was just loose screwed with the foam ring in-between http://i.imgur.com/YkpeHoc.jpg
08:53 PM andypugh: chopper79: As long as you are not having to wait too long for an index it doesn’t matter which one it picks up.
08:54 PM andypugh: How reliable are the AB channels?
08:54 PM chopper79: I figured it would see the index everytime ti passed
08:54 PM andypugh: The duty-cycle of Z is likely to be way outside what the sensor is expecting
08:55 PM andypugh: But yes, I would rather expect it to see every Z
08:55 PM andypugh: Try tweaking the sensor distance, if you can. (plasticene can help you measure it)
08:56 PM chopper79: I noticed that the closer I get to the teeth for A nd B the better things get. The index does not seem to change to much when moving it closer or further away form the index mark.
08:56 PM ripple: Crom: http://huntingtonscrew.com/indexwerke/linear.mp4
08:56 PM Crom: You don't have permission to access /indexwerke/linear.mp4 on this server.
08:57 PM chopper79: I may have to go with some bits of metal to make the mounts so I can bend them while spindle is turning.
08:58 PM chopper79: The printed one works great but limited on adjustablity.
08:58 PM gregcnc: what's stopping from just setting them to minimum clearance?
09:01 PM chopper79: Nothing I guess. I set them at 1mm which is about half way between max and min air gap.
09:02 PM gregcnc: seems odd that it wouldn't work
09:02 PM chopper79: Trying to figure out form the manual if there is a min distance between teeth that needs met.
09:03 PM gregcnc: what is your tooth pitch?
09:05 PM chopper79: 4mm between roots
09:06 PM chopper79: hall element pitch is 2.2mm
09:09 PM ripple: Crom: http://huntingtonscrew.com/linear.mp4 try that?
09:09 PM ripple: VOLUME WARNING
09:09 PM gregcnc: is the sensor far enough away from the solid portion of the wheel? i saw the pics and vid
09:12 PM Crom: now I understand the 26... angle of the jaw
09:12 PM ripple: I figured the video would make it easier than trying to explain
09:12 PM ripple: you see, the joint0 is the center drawbar
09:13 PM ripple: so to open and close you move joint2
09:13 PM Crom: and to get a verticle line you have to move joint0 and joint1 at the same time
09:13 PM ripple: yah
09:14 PM ripple: so its like a lathe compound toolpost when operated
09:14 PM ripple: xz and instead of a spinning part, this unit spins around the stationary part
09:18 PM ripple: It would be super awesome to have one of these around the shop to attached to a mill table huh?!
09:19 PM andypugh: chopper79: Maybe a longer index hole would help.
09:20 PM andypugh: chopper79: Worry first about A and B. Those need to never miss a beat.
09:20 PM gregcnc: chopper79 did you find anything that talks about minimum tooth pitch? the spec sheet doesn't explicitly say and the test wheel is 6.28mm
09:20 PM {HD}: That did not work. I tried to use an IDE to USB adapter to DD linuxcnc.iso onto an IDE HDD and it did not cooch.
09:21 PM andypugh: it might be that Z is getting caught out by some internal nulling process, because it expects an approximare 50% duty cycle rather than 1%
09:21 PM gregcnc: seems to me with hall spacing of 2.2mm edge spacing of 2mm, that may not be acceptable
09:22 PM andypugh: {HD}: What OS is on the PC now?
09:22 PM {HD}: I tried from linuxmint but, I think the problem is that my IDE2USB adapter is wack.
09:23 PM {HD}: I think I have decided to just use a newer old computer and get some parallel pci cards for it.
09:24 PM os1r1s: Anyone here play with pathpilot?
09:25 PM Crom: wish I had a tormach
09:25 PM Wolf_: its on my to do list
09:25 PM os1r1s: Crom Looks like it works with non-tormach
09:25 PM Wolf_: it does
09:25 PM Crom: kinda foo foo for my budget
09:25 PM Wolf_: its free
09:25 PM Wolf_: kinda
09:26 PM Wolf_: graphics on the buttons are trade marked
09:26 PM Wolf_: rest is based off of lcnc
09:26 PM {HD}: Is this too good to be true? http://www.ebay.com/itm/Parallel-Port-DB25-25Pin-LPT-Printer-to-PCI-E-Express-Card-Converter-Adapter-1pc-/141973277356?hash=item210e444aac:g:DeMAAOSwTuJYvn~I
09:26 PM os1r1s: It looks like it uses mesa ri25, but I'm curious if it uses a 7i76 too
09:26 PM gregcnc: i thought it had some thing where it wanted to reset to defaults for the tormach machine if you updated?
09:27 PM Wolf_: idk, there is a whole forum section for path pilot and how to get it to work with other machines
09:27 PM Crom: CH362L chip
09:30 PM Crom: not finding a data sheet
09:31 PM {HD}: Crom: Oh, your talking about the pci card. Yea, I just saw that chip.
09:31 PM {HD}: Is that a 6 or a 5?
09:32 PM BeachBumPete: https://www.maritool.com/Cutting-Tools-End-Mills-Chamfer-Mills-Standard-Chamfer-Mills/c78_79_154_155/p1103/Chamfer-Mill-.500-Dia-X-90-Degree-4-Flute-DE/product_info.html
09:32 PM BeachBumPete: anybody use one of those?
09:32 PM Crom: Looks like WCH CH362L
09:33 PM {HD}: I think it is a 5. It has squared of top.
09:34 PM Crom: Looks like WCH CH382L CH382L Ver B on the board
09:34 PM {HD}: Oh, well is that good?
09:34 PM gregcnc: beachbumpete, I use that type not maritool
09:35 PM Crom: http://www.mmui.com.cn/en/product_details85.html
09:37 PM {HD}: Seems good enough.
09:37 PM Crom: looks like star tech uses it as well
09:39 PM Crom: looks like the linux drivers work
09:40 PM {HD}: Well, I am going to get a handful.
09:40 PM Crom: ripple, there must be some back lash in the jaws...
09:41 PM Crom: so on joint1 change direction so might need to compansate for back lash
09:41 PM BeachBumPete: gregcnc Oh yeah how do you like it? whose do you use??
09:42 PM Crom: {HD}, get a couple make sure they work well then get a bunch
09:43 PM {HD}: Crom: True, will take over a month to gethere tho =(
09:44 PM {HD}: I see in the 2.7 doc that the Huanyang VFD driver is included by default. I see in the Huanyang doc that it communicates vis rs485. What port do I need for that to work with linuxcnc + huanyang vfd?
09:45 PM {HD}: vis = via*
09:45 PM os1r1s: pcw_mesa Around?
09:46 PM Crom: {HD}, serial port and a rs232 to rs485 converter
09:46 PM gregcnc: http://www.htcmfg.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=4596 I guess it's actually this. they leave a nice finish, countersinking or along an edge. i try to keep it cutting on the outer diameter so surface speed is higher
09:47 PM {HD}: Crom: Will linux cnc have full control over the VFD with that one communication protocol?
09:48 PM Crom: the actual protocol can't be that difficult...\
09:48 PM BeachBumPete: Oh cool a drillmiill
09:49 PM BeachBumPete: I only have 6k and typically run less than that to preserve my spindle bearings LOL
09:49 PM BeachBumPete: so while it would be nice I think I would have to run slow with that.
09:49 PM BeachBumPete: I am using a 2 flute cutter right now and have been for some time.
09:50 PM BeachBumPete: But the four flute would be nice for speed altho I am concerned about the chip clearance with it...
09:50 PM Crom: https://gist.github.com/Bouni/803492ed0aab3f944066
09:51 PM gregcnc: I should remember maritool next time I need cutting tools
09:51 PM BeachBumPete: I have had good luck with them.
09:51 PM BeachBumPete: I totally screwed up tonight tho LOL
09:51 PM BeachBumPete: I was running a part I made lots of
09:52 PM BeachBumPete: using a 3/8 ball endmill to slot deep on a program that runs very often
09:52 PM BeachBumPete: I think the ball endmill is a bit dull because it started to bog down and load up on me
09:52 PM BeachBumPete: before I could stop it it lunched the part unfortunately
09:52 PM BeachBumPete: so I was shopping for some new ones
09:53 PM BeachBumPete: then I started thinking I could use a new champfer cutter so here I am LOL...
09:54 PM gregcnc: for a big chamfer( well big for 4/1" tool i make i make a few passes
09:54 PM BeachBumPete: most of the parts have your typical champfer but there is a deep one in one part of the rails I make
09:54 PM Crom: http://wapl.es/cnc/2015/12/04/huanyang-linuxcnc-2.7-speed-control.html
09:55 PM Crom: read that one {HD}
09:55 PM BeachBumPete: I slow down to 10 IPM and make it in a single pass then come back and clean it up
09:57 PM CaptHindsight: gregcnc: http://www.hartlandtool.com/products/standard-fluted-end-mills.php started using them for aluminum
09:58 PM gregcnc: btw maritool is in wood dale
09:58 PM CaptHindsight: I have some of their tool holders
09:59 PM gregcnc: i don't think i've used tialn in aluminum did it work OK?
09:59 PM CaptHindsight: I'm mostly using that 1/2" 4 flute long end mill
09:59 PM {HD}: Crom: These? http://www.ebay.com/itm/RS232-to-RS485-1-2KM-Data-Interface-Adapter-Converter-Good-quality-ST-/172255742114?hash=item281b3e08a2:g:0RgAAOSwzJ5XcYs5 http://www.ebay.com/itm/262334454257 ???
10:00 PM Crom: yep
10:00 PM CaptHindsight: gregcnc: wore my bearings out even more, now they leak oil
10:00 PM {HD}: one has 6 pinout one has 4...what gives?
10:00 PM CaptHindsight: have to really do a swap soon
10:00 PM Crom: rs232 only has RX TX GND rs485 has TX- TX+ RX- RX+
10:00 PM gregcnc: i wonder how much suck you get from a 3/4" locline on a shopvac?
10:01 PM BeachBumPete: http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-2-2-FLUTE-90-DEGREE-CARBIDE-CHAMFER-MILL-TiALN-COATED-/351883113649?hash=item51edde34b1:g:UTUAAOSwpLNYB99B
10:01 PM Crom: gregcnc, not much
10:01 PM roycroft: not enough, gregcnc
10:01 PM Crom: 1.5' is about minimum, 3" is so much better
10:01 PM CaptHindsight: BeachBumPete: didn't you change spindle bearings last year?
10:02 PM gregcnc: they don't make one bigger other that the really big shop vac size
10:02 PM BeachBumPete: no I did not. I changed the bearings in my spindle motor tho
10:02 PM CaptHindsight: ah
10:02 PM Crom: time to make a Noga style positioning arm then
10:02 PM roycroft: locline has a lot of resistance
10:03 PM gregcnc: how hard is it the get spindle out of that one?
10:03 PM roycroft: i'm not sure i would want to try to suck anything through it
10:03 PM BeachBumPete: I am probably gonna need to change spindle bearings at some point tho
10:03 PM gregcnc: some mills are a lot of work to get to the bearings
10:04 PM CaptHindsight: gregcnc: https://www.matsuura.co.uk/clientfiles/images/products_medium/Spindle_450x201.jpg it's like this one
10:04 PM BeachBumPete: Mine is supposed to be kind of a bitch because it is not a cartridge
10:04 PM CaptHindsight: bolt circle in the collar
10:04 PM Crom: so you get the fun of pilling races out as well
10:05 PM Crom: pulling
10:05 PM BeachBumPete: yeah it is not too bad tho apparently I have a good friend in PA that has the same machine and he did his by himself
10:06 PM CaptHindsight: I missed a completely rebuilt spindle on ebay for ~1K
10:06 PM CaptHindsight: I waited too long
10:07 PM BeachBumPete: if you add something to your cart in ebay are you then committed?
10:07 PM Crom: nope...
10:07 PM gregcnc: ha no, i've had stuff in there for a long time
10:08 PM BeachBumPete: OK good
10:08 PM Crom: only when you click confirm and pay
10:08 PM gregcnc: i keep stuff in there I really should be buying, but am putting off
10:09 PM CaptHindsight: gregcnc: http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTIwMFgxNjAw/z/d~UAAOSwHMJYFN5X/$_57.JPG similar
10:09 PM {HD}: Just ordered a parallel-pcie, parallel+rs232(x)2-pcie, and 4 rs232(TO)rs485 adapters!
10:09 PM BeachBumPete: this company sells US made ground tooling that is reasonable I think I might try to order both the ball endmills as well as the champfer mill from them
10:10 PM gregcnc: I guess the thing with milling spindles is taper are often reground at bearing change time because well it's usually time
10:11 PM CaptHindsight: I'm going to swap bearings and wait for another good spindle
10:12 PM CaptHindsight: or maybe another bigger and faster machine
10:12 PM CaptHindsight: 6k rpm is just not enough :)
10:12 PM gregcnc: check kodiakcuttingtools.com i got some stuff from them last week but haven't tried it yet. all looks great.
10:13 PM gregcnc: ebay bearings can be a great bargain
10:13 PM CaptHindsight: just found out that the Shars US made stuff come from somewhere in Connecticut
10:14 PM CaptHindsight: I used to find 1 bargain set of bearings for about any size on Amazon
10:15 PM gregcnc: i think people have licked up on their true value
10:20 PM gregcnc: beachbumpete I like onlinecarbide.com single point thread mills
10:20 PM BeachBumPete: that is the same company
10:21 PM gregcnc: yes
10:21 PM BeachBumPete: unfortunately they do not offer a 3/8 2 flute ball
10:22 PM gregcnc: http://onlinecarbide.com/243750-c3.html
10:23 PM BeachBumPete: hm
10:23 PM BeachBumPete: they do not offer them on fleabay apparenlty or I am not seeing them
10:23 PM gregcnc: I'm not sure they have everything on ebay
10:27 PM BeachBumPete: jeez man they don't have the ball endmills on ebay and they don't have the 2 flute 1/2 inch champfer on their website GAAH
10:28 PM chopper79: Ok... I have come to the conclusion that my big ol hands and little gear tooth sensors do not mix.
10:28 PM BeachBumPete: damn man it is POURING rain here right now WOW
10:28 PM gregcnc: email is cheap
10:29 PM chopper79: I have to order a whole new set of senosrs. Is there nay reason I could not uses hall effect modules so I do not have to mess with these little sensors?
10:30 PM jdh: Pete: I'll be in delray beach this w/e, look for me.
10:30 PM {HD}: I need to install linuxcnc from a CD...does that tech exist?
10:30 PM jdh: HD: burn the iso to a cd, boot it.
10:30 PM {HD}: jdh: Too big for CD
10:31 PM chopper79: dvd
10:31 PM {HD}: I don't have dvd reader in this machine.
10:31 PM chopper79: you do not have usb?
10:31 PM {HD}: chopper79: I have USB but I cannot boot from it.
10:31 PM BeachBumPete: jdh Oh yeah I would but delray is about an hour south LOL
10:31 PM {HD}: No bios support for booting from it.
10:31 PM chopper79: bummer
10:32 PM ripple: just slap in a floppy drive and tell it to boot to usb! =D
10:32 PM cradek: {HD}: I've had luck with plop: https://www.plop.at/en/bootmanagers.html
10:32 PM chopper79: Then dvd is your choice as cd are small
10:32 PM ripple: plop is best
10:33 PM {HD}: cradek: I am reading about it now.
10:33 PM cradek: I've used it to install the linuxcnc image from usb on several P3 machines
10:33 PM cradek: one didn't have USB at all - I added a pci card to get USB, believe it or not
10:33 PM R2E4_bevins1: Motion does not have enough I/O for my machine...... ARRRRGGHH!!!
10:33 PM cradek: (but I don't recommend using hardware that old...)
10:33 PM chopper79: difference between a proxmity sensor and a gear tooth sensor?
10:34 PM cradek: speed?
10:34 PM chopper79: MAybe
10:34 PM chopper79: I have a bunch of prox sensors here
10:34 PM chopper79: Maybe I shoudl try one
10:35 PM {HD}: cradek: I already have an "Ultimate boot cd" which looks like it has plop on it already.
10:39 PM gregcnc: this is impressive https://www.instagram.com/p/BRasmSFB36A/
10:40 PM ripple: for awhile there I was using a file on my floppy disk as a php includes so that if anyone was on my website my floppy disk would make that god awful sound and light up
10:43 PM ripple: gregcnc: thats just crazy, I mean that holder could support the weight of a semitruck hanging from it
10:43 PM ripple: and.. snap
10:44 PM gregcnc: there's a photo of a whole head busted off a large mill turn out there
10:46 PM CaptHindsight: I've only broken an end mill or two doing that
10:47 PM CaptHindsight: $30k for a new spindle
10:49 PM ripple: the worst thing I ever had happen on cnc hooking my encoder A and B backwards. WHAM
10:49 PM Tom_L: that would knock the whole machine out of whack
10:50 PM Tom_L: if it snapped on a vise the x y would be damaged too
10:50 PM BeachBumPete: I have snapped a few thick endmills right off before but damn that IS impressive
10:50 PM ripple: Tom_L: agreed, you might as well just pull it into the back and use it as a parts machine. everytime you do something new on it, will probably find new problems
10:57 PM * evilroot has probably had the worst failures of anybody
10:58 PM evilroot: I managed to put an end mill through three interior walls
10:58 PM ripple: *nods in approval*
10:59 PM evilroot: I caught an entire room on fire with a dust explosion
10:59 PM evilroot: Well not my fault really, I TOLD them they needed better dust collection
10:59 PM evilroot: It blew out all the windows . . . . which were PLEXIGLASS
10:59 PM CaptHindsight: when I first got the 710 I feed a 5" facemill down too quick, stalled the spindle and tripped the 50A breaker
11:01 PM evilroot: Heh, Progress Energy cut off my entire BUILDING after I hard wired every line on the breaker box to a surplus Cray 2
11:01 PM CaptHindsight: evilroot: what type of dust?
11:01 PM ripple: http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/95/9544627ef715422f8b3cb089a5ecfbd9ca7a18e5742f114c5ff8c5a75b2239a1.jpg
11:02 PM evilroot: Honestly I just wanted to watch the Flourinert waterfall
11:02 PM evilroot: Apparently I was drawing a good 150A
11:02 PM evilroot: They thought there was a short in the trunk wiring
11:03 PM evilroot: CaptHindsight: very fine hardwood
11:03 PM evilroot: I think oak
11:03 PM ripple: I like the part where you blew all the windows out, thats the very best part
11:04 PM CaptHindsight: wood dust go boom very goodly
11:04 PM evilroot: I took a lunch break and looking back at the webcam feed it got so dense you couldn't see more than an inch or two
11:04 PM evilroot: Dunno what caused the spark
11:04 PM ripple: I heard about kids smoking in a grain silo
11:04 PM ripple: something something boom
11:05 PM evilroot: There was the time I had the bright idea of using a surplus industrial ozonator to clean stuff
11:05 PM evilroot: But there wasn't enough oxygen in the air, so I used a 50lb tank of LOX I "borrowed" from the Physics lab
11:06 PM evilroot: It worked really great but I then had to dispose of all that ozone . . . . so I figured charcoal filter
11:06 PM ripple: i'll be sure to call you if I ever need to terraform mars
11:06 PM evilroot: Turns out that is a recipe for FIRE
11:06 PM ripple: or not
11:06 PM evilroot: Highly charged oxygen, coal dust
11:07 PM evilroot: I mean great plan right?
11:07 PM ripple: lmao
11:07 PM evilroot: Thank god the sprinklers erased all the evidence
11:07 PM * evilroot coughs
11:08 PM evilroot: Thinking back its really a miracle I didn't kill myself when I was younger
11:08 PM evilroot: I did some crazy shit
11:08 PM ripple: *nods*
11:08 PM evilroot: There was the time I found an 8U rackmount RF amplifier in a pallet of Navy Surplus
11:09 PM evilroot: Apparently it was off a destroyer
11:09 PM evilroot: I figure out how to power the thing and use it to boost the signal off a fricking WALKY TALKY
11:09 PM evilroot: Because it was what I had handy
11:10 PM ripple: good lord, you could probably go deer hunting with it and when you picked up the deer it would already be cooked
11:10 PM evilroot: Used a 10ft steel pipe as an antenna and sent a buddy to go down the block to see how far we could get
11:10 PM evilroot: This was Middle School, I think I was 13?
11:11 PM evilroot: After a few minutes all of a sudden the power went out
11:11 PM evilroot: I duck outside of my shipping container "fort" and my father is running over . . . . he'd unplugged the extension cord
11:12 PM evilroot: Apparently his radio had started roaring a barely intelligable "CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW?!"
11:12 PM evilroot: I hadn't yet learned about "attenuation"
11:13 PM evilroot: So I was basically running a spark gap transmitter on all frequencies
11:13 PM ripple: LMAO planes are fallin out of the sky, birds flying upside down
11:13 PM evilroot: Not quite that bad
11:14 PM evilroot: But I DID override everything in a good 5 mile radius . . . . radio, TV, etc
11:14 PM ripple: well, the fcc wont let me be....
11:14 PM evilroot: Hams heard me across the damned ocean
11:14 PM ripple: lmfao
11:14 PM ripple: somedistand aliens are chuckling about this somewhere
11:15 PM ripple: distant*
11:15 PM evilroot: Dad tore down the "antenna" antenna and ripped out the amp
11:15 PM ripple: he probably didnt want black SUVS showing up
11:15 PM evilroot: The next day vans and SUVs with directional antennas on top started canvassing the neighborhood
11:16 PM evilroot: HAHA
11:16 PM ripple: yep
11:16 PM evilroot: Oh they showed up!
11:16 PM evilroot: They went at it for a week or so
11:17 PM ripple: you probably cost taxpayers 10,000 for these guys to track this down two kids with walky talkys ahhahaha
11:17 PM evilroot: They'd gotten a pretty good bead, definitely narrowed it down to our block.
11:17 PM evilroot: And hell that's not even the worst shit I did as a kid
11:17 PM ripple: hold, on let me get my popcorn
11:17 PM ripple: =D next time though I gotta hear more, I gotta get to work
11:18 PM evilroot: My Dad is an artist. He works in steel mostly
11:18 PM ripple: you should write a book of what not to do
11:18 PM evilroot: Meh, I probably should stop incrimiating myself although the Statute of Limitations is long passed on most of it
11:18 PM ripple: you could title it "sounded like a good idea at the time"
11:18 PM evilroot: This handle is something of a legend to a select few, heh
11:19 PM evilroot: It's been around, and even emulated and stolen by others
11:20 PM evilroot: Which is awesome because plausible deniability!
11:27 PM {HD}: PLOP is awesome!!!
11:36 PM ripple: {HD}: Are you an existing PLOP fan or new to it?
11:36 PM {HD}: ripple: Just now is the first time I ever used it! I have used ultimate boot cd lots but I never noticed/realized that feature!
11:37 PM ripple: hipsters
11:37 PM ripple: :P
11:39 PM ripple: Its soooo good and it fits on floppy which is/was great. I used to keep one a floppy, cd, and bootable usb sticks so I could boot up any old machine and get data from it without extracting the hdd, just network and usb boot
11:42 PM {HD}: Cool. I did not install linuxcnc with it yet but I was able to boot to the usb. I need to shrink the win2k partition first.
11:42 PM ripple: so, floppy/cd PLOP => KNOPPIX => network SFTP (gather up all my files) => BACKUP SERVER;
11:43 PM ripple: you mean format? :P =D
11:43 PM {HD}: I like my win2k it runs mach3 which, as of now is all I am fimilar with.
11:45 PM GregB: Hey Guys, I'm back.
11:45 PM ripple: So far my favorite way to run my test builds is to set each machine up on a clean hdds then X11VNC into each as needed
11:45 PM ripple: WB!
11:46 PM GregB: So, the last time I was here, someone said they had a VM running their Universal Lazer System. I just got done setting up a VirtualBox instance of Windows 7 just to make this work.
11:46 PM GregB: Thanks
11:46 PM {HD}: ripple: so you run remotly?
11:46 PM ripple: {HD}: only on systems which are safe to do so, I dont really use jog functions
11:47 PM ripple: so yes, basicly on the linuxcnc build, you autologin as user, then in your options for autostart programs build a custom one and run the commaned x11vnc -loop
11:48 PM {HD}: do you have a webcam setup to see whats going on?
11:48 PM ripple: and so when the computer is turned on it will autorun x11vnc and you wont need a monitor for it, just log in with "remmina" from your laptop
11:48 PM ripple: {HD}: I dont but im sure ZONEMINDER would help you out a TON
11:48 PM GregB: So, if you're running your ULS on a VM, please let me know, cuz I can't even seem to get the machine to turn on to create the dummy usb port it needs to install the drivers and run properly.
11:50 PM ripple: {HD}: I would use extreme precaution if you are working via WIFI, I hardwire mostly, except for my PLC style linuxcnc machines
11:51 PM {HD}: ripple: I don't do anything remotly...yet. I have a keyboard, monitor, mouse hooked up to my machines.
11:51 PM {HD}: for a water cooled spindle how many GPH do you think my pump needs to be?
11:52 PM ripple: {HD}: im not saying its bad to do but if you got some guy in your neighborhood hooking up a destroyer class RF amplifier you may run into some problems with runaway machines
11:52 PM ripple: evilroot: ^
11:54 PM * evilroot cackles evilly
11:56 PM {HD}: anyone with pump advice? 1.5Kw spindle water cooled...pump needed.
11:59 PM Wolf_: http://a.co/cVSIFRF
11:59 PM {HD}: Holy overkill!