#linuxcnc Logs
Mar 12 2017
#linuxcnc Calendar
12:00 AM cncnoob: @XXCoder watching that makes me thing of the David Gingery Build Your Own Metal Working Shop From Scratch series
12:02 AM cncnoob: https://www.amazon.com/Books-David-Gingery/s?ie=UTF8&page=1&rh=n%3A283155%2Cp_27%3ADavid%20Gingery
12:02 AM chopper79: Since the var file is regenerated each time you start axis is will be replaced, but deleting it gets rid of you settings until you set them again.
12:02 AM XXCoder: cnc the clickspring video?
12:02 AM XXCoder: you should watch rest of it
12:02 AM cncnoob: I wanted a CNC machine ever since I first read it like 15 years ago
12:02 AM cncnoob: yeah!
12:02 AM cncnoob: I'm about half way in
12:02 AM XXCoder: he is probably #1 videomaker, in least for me
12:02 AM chopper79: XXcoder: that was an awesome clickspring video you posted.
12:02 AM cncnoob: var file?
12:02 AM XXCoder: you should also watch myfordboy cncnoob, though he does some stuff thats bit risky.
12:02 AM cncnoob: which file is that?
12:02 AM XXCoder: chopper yeah its part of his new series, awesome so far.
12:02 AM chopper79: look in your config folder for you machine and there will be a var file
12:02 AM cncnoob: checking
12:04 AM cncnoob: Ok, what am I looking for in that var file?
12:04 AM cncnoob: mostly zeros, but 3 lines have values
12:05 AM chopper79: just delete it.... but you will lose all variables you have set the previous run
12:05 AM chopper79: when you start axis again it will regen
12:05 AM cncnoob: ok
12:05 AM cncnoob: I'll give that a try
12:05 AM chopper79: Everytime axis is doing some weird thing with setting like offsets I delete the var file and it works again.
12:06 AM chopper79: odd and may not be the right way to do it but always works for me
12:06 AM cncnoob: I know there is separate dev channel, but if there are any LinuxCNC developers in here I would make a suggestion. Don't auto populate the tool table with example entries
12:06 AM cncnoob: took me like 2 weeks to figure out what was going on
12:06 AM cncnoob: and I think that those values might be what is hanging on in that var file
12:06 AM cncnoob: Good to know
12:07 AM cncnoob: I'll keep that in mind
12:07 AM chopper79: It may or may not work. All I do know is that your offsets shoul dnot change unless you enter a new offset.
12:08 AM chopper79: I can run my machine today and then 4 weeks form now and my tool table is the same along with all my offsets until Ichange them
12:08 AM cncnoob: unless I enter a new offset in the table you mean?
12:08 AM chopper79: yes
12:09 AM cncnoob: So when I touch off and Axis asks me for an offset, the number I key in there should never change what I had entered in my tool table correct?
12:10 AM Crom_on_phone: Correct
12:11 AM chopper79: When you are setting up your tool table and call a TxM06 and then insert the tool. When you go to touch it off you will use the drop down menu in the touch off pop up screen to select tool table.
12:11 AM chopper79: Then touch the tool off
12:11 AM Crom_on_phone: Touch is work coordinate not tool offset
12:11 AM chopper79: This updates the tool table with the tool
12:13 AM chopper79: mine is a bit different
12:13 AM chopper79: I have a tool table option in the touch off pop up screen where I get to select the coordinate system
12:14 AM chopper79: http://linuxcnc.org/lucid/docs/2.5/html/gcode/tool_compensation.html
12:14 AM chopper79: section 1.1
12:14 AM Crom_on_phone: Yeay more reading
12:14 AM chopper79: lol
12:15 AM chopper79: in your code you will need to call a g43 with an H# for axis to read the tool table for that tool height
12:16 AM cncnoob: G43 Z.1 H01
12:16 AM chopper79: correct
12:16 AM chopper79: but if your T1 is not setin the tool table then when you call up the H01 you will get a different value
12:16 AM chopper79: or offset
12:17 AM chopper79: So I am not sure how you are setting your tool table but the link I provided in section 1.1 is the method
12:18 AM cncnoob: T1 P1 Z4.55 D0.75 ;fem 4f hss 0.75
12:18 AM cncnoob: That is the first line of my tool.tbl file
12:18 AM chopper79: so is that the correct offset height?
12:18 AM chopper79: 4.55
12:18 AM cncnoob: Yup, that includes the holder
12:19 AM XXCoder: chopper79: yeah nice clickspring video though have he ever made lousy one?? lol
12:20 AM chopper79: So that inlcuded the endmill inserted into the holder and the holder in the spindle. Then the tool is touching lets say top of part and this is the reading of 4.55
12:20 AM cncnoob: That is, when my Z axis is at 0 and I have that tool installed, the tip of that tool is at -4.55 machine coordinate
12:20 AM chopper79: XXCoder: first time I hve ever seen one of his
12:20 AM XXCoder: youre in for a treat.
12:20 AM cncnoob: 3 axis end mill
12:20 AM cncnoob: Err
12:21 AM cncnoob: 3 axis mill
12:21 AM cncnoob: so z is top
12:21 AM chopper79: ok so if your at -4.55 then why is your table reading 4.55
12:21 AM cncnoob: and closest to the table is -9.82
12:21 AM cncnoob: I didn't see any examples of signed values in the tool table.
12:22 AM cncnoob: I assumed (maybe incorrectly) that the tool table offsets were absolute
12:22 AM cncnoob: Also, when I entered a -4.55 (that is actually what I started with) the picture Axis was showing me seemed way off
12:22 AM cncnoob: When I entered 4.55 it seemed correct
12:23 AM cncnoob: I cut one gear last night and thought I had everything figured out, but today it is acting weird again.
12:23 AM cncnoob: changing my offsets and such
12:24 AM XXCoder: yeah wrong concept can work for specific but not in gneral
12:24 AM XXCoder: not sure where issue is though at this time
12:25 AM XXCoder: tou do have tool collets correct?
12:25 AM chopper79: If your at -4.55 on the mill then your tool table should match that -4.55 for zero and not 4.55
12:25 AM XXCoder: indeed
12:25 AM cncnoob: Humm
12:25 AM cncnoob: Ok
12:26 AM cncnoob: Apparently I have more debugging to do :(
12:26 AM chopper79: Are you manually typing in the offset in the table?
12:26 AM cncnoob: @xxcoder I only have one collet, the rest are end mill holders
12:26 AM cncnoob: Yes, through the table editor in axis
12:27 AM chopper79: Ok... I think that may be where your issue is.
12:27 AM cncnoob: It was a bit wonky for an editor
12:27 AM chopper79: Try using the link I posted and using section 1.1 form it to set your table to see if that makes a difference.
12:27 AM XXCoder: no I meant do you use repeatable tool changer like tts (tomach tool holder)
12:28 AM chopper79: Then endmill holders will be but the collet would not be
12:28 AM XXCoder: think hes using wrong coord system to set tool lengths?
12:28 AM chopper79: could be
12:28 AM cncnoob: I have an R8 so I think that is pretty repetable
12:28 AM cncnoob: When you say the wrong coordinate system, you mean in my gcode?
12:29 AM XXCoder: no
12:29 AM XXCoder: usually wgen setting tool lengths, if I remember right, usually use machine coordates not g54 coordates
12:29 AM XXCoder: or any other g5*
12:30 AM XXCoder: its been months (9) since I last did setup LOL
12:30 AM XXCoder: and home machine I dont use tool lengths at all
12:30 AM chopper79: cncnoob: you are using holders for your endmills like this right http://www.lyndexnikken.com/products-viewprd-products-R8-14---End-Mill-Holder----------------------------------------1027p4583.htm
12:31 AM XXCoder: so many dashes
12:31 AM XXCoder: yeah if I had that on my machine I would use tool lengths
12:31 AM cncnoob: These are the first few lines of my program
12:31 AM cncnoob: http://pastebin.com/cdAdSs1J
12:31 AM XXCoder: we are talking about "meta" not program stuff
12:31 AM cncnoob: before it starts making any actual cuts
12:31 AM XXCoder: machine settings
12:32 AM cncnoob: Ok, I think I'm a bit lost then
12:32 AM chopper79: Then they are repeatable if your using holders like that then
12:32 AM XXCoder: cncnoob: okay suppose machine is empty and program is not loaded
12:32 AM cncnoob: yeah
12:32 AM cncnoob: holders like that
12:32 AM XXCoder: how do you go around setting stuff up?
12:32 AM XXCoder: spposing tools isnt set also
12:33 AM cncnoob: So first thing I do is load work piece in vise
12:33 AM chopper79: cncnoob: follow the guide I linked to and then it will set the tool table. Its simple to do and would be a good test to see if it is an actual bug or user inoout error.
12:33 AM cncnoob: I then install my edge finder which is T99 in my tool table
12:33 AM chopper79: not pointing fingers
12:33 AM XXCoder: chop hold opn let him finish heh
12:33 AM cncnoob: Haha, no problem
12:33 AM cncnoob: It probably is my fault!
12:34 AM chopper79: I will step aside
12:34 AM XXCoder: so you set edge finder
12:34 AM cncnoob: :)
12:34 AM cncnoob: yup
12:34 AM XXCoder: so what next?
12:34 AM cncnoob: and last tool that I manually changed to was T99 (requested by my gcode at end of last program)
12:35 AM cncnoob: so Axis *should* think that is the tool that is loaded
12:35 AM cncnoob: Then I touch off (not touch off tool) X, Y, and Z
12:35 AM cncnoob: touch off tool isn't even an option at this point
12:35 AM XXCoder: I guess you already set home a while ago on machine power up
12:35 AM cncnoob: actually, I missed a setp
12:35 AM cncnoob: YEah
12:35 AM cncnoob: Sorry
12:35 AM cncnoob: missed two steps :)
12:36 AM cncnoob: So home would be the very first thing I did
12:36 AM XXCoder: so currently it has t99, it is homed, it is touched off
12:36 AM cncnoob: yup
12:36 AM cncnoob: and before I touched off I opened my program
12:36 AM cncnoob: so the part I'm cutting was already showing in axis before I started touching off
12:36 AM cncnoob: At that point I press play
12:36 AM XXCoder: okay
12:37 AM cncnoob: Axis then requests that I install tool #1
12:37 AM cncnoob: I install tool #1
12:37 AM cncnoob: There is no option to touch off tool
12:38 AM XXCoder: interesting. what I do usually at work
12:38 AM XXCoder: I set fixture in place
12:38 AM cncnoob: When I press continue there is much more space shown in the image by axis between the end of the tool and the work piece than actually exists
12:38 AM XXCoder: (machine is never off so i dont set it, and it dont need home in most cases)
12:38 AM XXCoder: so for finding x and y I do same as you usually
12:38 AM cncnoob: So then I have to press stop
12:39 AM XXCoder: however tools and Z is different
12:39 AM cncnoob: educate me!
12:39 AM XXCoder: well what you want is common point reference
12:39 AM XXCoder: so good place for example, is top of jaws
12:39 AM XXCoder: I oprefer 123 blocks
12:39 AM XXCoder: anyway
12:40 AM cncnoob: I have some of those
12:40 AM cncnoob: I don't know what they are for
12:40 AM cncnoob: but I got them because they were recommended in the starter kit
12:40 AM XXCoder: you set tool lengths to machine coord when tool just touches 123 block top
12:40 AM XXCoder: dont moce down to it, you try to slide block under tool
12:41 AM cncnoob: ok
12:41 AM cncnoob: so small to big
12:41 AM XXCoder: so you set tool lengths for various tools, 1 2 3 so on
12:41 AM cncnoob: when it fits it is 1" off table
12:41 AM XXCoder: they all will have common point, the top of 123 block
12:41 AM XXCoder: so you need to set Z to that common point also
12:41 AM XXCoder: so you use dial test indictor
12:42 AM XXCoder: touch it on block so dial is set to o (or you turn so it points to 0, dont rotate few times then 0, just move to 0)
12:42 AM XXCoder: write that z number down
12:42 AM XXCoder: then move (dont touch dial test inductor!)
12:42 AM XXCoder: jog it over to part top
12:43 AM XXCoder: move down and carefully move down till it points to 0 again
12:43 AM XXCoder: dont move indictor by hand or adjust it is set
12:43 AM XXCoder: jog it down till its 0
12:43 AM XXCoder: so you have second number
12:43 AM XXCoder: it is (reference point) - (part top) = your coord z
12:44 AM XXCoder: err wrong
12:44 AM XXCoder: it is (reference point) + (part top) = your coord z
12:44 AM XXCoder: if your part top is below the reference point z must be negative number
12:44 AM XXCoder: if above, postive
12:45 AM XXCoder: okay math im wrong (again) but z being postive and negative is correct'
12:45 AM cncnoob: ok one sec
12:45 AM cncnoob: need to back up and ask question
12:45 AM cncnoob: when I use the dial indicator for Z and I set it to 0, I'm locking it down correct?
12:46 AM cncnoob: Then with it locked I move it to the top of the part?
12:46 AM XXCoder: basically once you find reference point with dial indictor
12:46 AM XXCoder: after that part you cannot turn dial or adjust it
12:46 AM XXCoder: if it moves physically you just lkost reference point with it.
12:46 AM XXCoder: so have to find reference point again
12:47 AM XXCoder: it should just touch so dial turns to 0
12:47 AM XXCoder: body should not move, and you should not move zero on dial anywhere
12:47 AM XXCoder: (by move ero I mean you turn dial face)
12:48 AM cncnoob: So with this system you are describing, would you expect I have to use the dial indicator every time I machine a part?
12:48 AM cncnoob: "jog it over to part top
12:48 AM cncnoob: move down and carefully move down till it points to 0 again "
12:48 AM XXCoder: well if you make few same parts and fixture is repeatable (it has stops)
12:48 AM XXCoder: uyou dont have to find coord again each part
12:48 AM XXCoder: but each new part yep
12:48 AM cncnoob: dang
12:48 AM XXCoder: (new part is in different part)
12:49 AM cncnoob: that sounds like a lot of work I don't want to do!
12:49 AM XXCoder: unless it also has zcoord point at same place.
12:49 AM XXCoder: thats cnc machinist for you.
12:49 AM cncnoob: It should be easier since LinuxCNC has all the lengths
12:49 AM cncnoob: :)
12:49 AM XXCoder: you dont need tool lengths again!
12:49 AM XXCoder: you just need it if it's new tool
12:50 AM XXCoder: or you loosened tool and tighten it again on holder it lost its length
12:50 AM XXCoder: so you have to use common reference point again
12:50 AM cncnoob: Tool lengths with touch offs seem like they would be easier than using a dial indicator every time unless I'm missing something
12:50 AM XXCoder: but if same tools you dont ever need to set tool lengths
12:50 AM XXCoder: no, dial indictor is for finding PART coords
12:50 AM cncnoob: Right
12:51 AM cncnoob: but if I machine many different types of parts then I would have to do that for each type of part
12:51 AM cncnoob: right?
12:51 AM XXCoder: it is always true for part coord
12:51 AM XXCoder: but tools since you always use common reference point, you dont have to set those again and again
12:51 AM XXCoder: always use common reference point for tool lengths and part Z coord
12:51 AM cncnoob: Isn't Z0 a common reference point?
12:52 AM XXCoder: otherwise you will probably crash
12:52 AM XXCoder: nah its just home, it dont know diffent tool lengths from there
12:52 AM XXCoder: you need bottom of tool common reference for tool lengths
12:52 AM XXCoder: and it has to share it with part Z coordares, so it works together
12:53 AM XXCoder: that way is far more flexiable and faster
12:53 AM XXCoder: X and Y you just use your usual way
12:53 AM cncnoob: Well tomorrow I'm going to figure this S!@# out
12:53 AM XXCoder: Z you just find difference between 123 block and part topo
12:53 AM XXCoder: set z done
12:56 AM cncnoob: I'm going to take some detailed notes
12:56 AM XXCoder: in fact if its not sensive, you can just use tool touchoff
12:56 AM XXCoder: touchoff it on 123 block, then touch it off on poart top
12:56 AM XXCoder: do math, you get Z for part coord
12:56 AM XXCoder: oh wai
12:56 AM XXCoder: you have probe!
12:56 AM XXCoder: you have it far easier than I do
12:56 AM XXCoder: just touch probe on top of 123 block
12:56 AM XXCoder: then part top, do math on Z difference
12:56 AM XXCoder: just remember if part top is below reference point, Z for part coord is negative, otherwise postibve
12:56 AM cncnoob: @chopper79 & @xxcoder thanks for your help guys
12:57 AM cncnoob: I'm going to call it a night and hopefully get more cutting done tomorrow
12:57 AM cncnoob: oh and btw @xxcoder
12:57 AM XXCoder: no problem, trust me, what I have outlined is little bit more complex but it always works and not having to set tools each time rocks
12:57 AM chopper79: No problem.... Read that link also. May help make more sense of what the tool table is and how it functions.
12:57 AM cncnoob: I tried to make the image of earth that you sent me
12:57 AM cncnoob: 23 hours
12:57 AM cncnoob: and it didn't turn out well :(
12:58 AM XXCoder: ehh ohn well, endmill isnt too great, ball em would be better
12:58 AM XXCoder: pics?
12:58 AM cncnoob: Not worth taking a pic
12:58 AM XXCoder: lol ok
12:58 AM XXCoder: later
12:58 AM XXCoder: lucky ya having a repeatable holder, and probe!! dammit
12:58 AM cncnoob: I'll try again when I get ball bits
12:58 AM XXCoder: so jelious lol
12:59 AM cncnoob: probe?
12:59 AM cncnoob: I just have edge finder
12:59 AM cncnoob: is that what you are calling probe?
12:59 AM XXCoder: oh thought you said you had probe nm
12:59 AM cncnoob: no
12:59 AM XXCoder: you can make one pretty cheaply
12:59 AM cncnoob: that is the electrical one correct?
12:59 AM XXCoder: yeah
12:59 AM XXCoder: im still figuring how to make very low length probe.
12:59 AM chopper79: I am off as well... 12:31am and morning comes quick.
01:00 AM XXCoder: its hard when machine height limit is 3 inches lol
01:00 AM cncnoob: later
01:00 AM XXCoder: chopper79: later
01:00 AM chopper79: later all
01:29 AM Cromaglious_: marko!
01:30 AM XXCoder: welcome back to irc and your home
01:30 AM Cromaglious_: XXCoder, I have a 75mm Z max height.
01:31 AM Cromaglious_: mount the probe parallel your spindle to get height.
01:31 AM Cromaglious_: figure out your X y z offsets of the probe and put it into the tool table
01:33 AM Cromaglious_: there was a probe made with a british penny...
01:34 AM Cromaglious_: I've been working on one for over a year... Delrin body.
01:35 AM XXCoder: nice
01:41 AM XXCoder: im thinking just a touch plate with spike on it and rod in back
01:41 AM XXCoder: its not as repeatable
01:41 AM XXCoder: but shorter
01:48 AM Cromaglious_: I'm thinking 3 brass screws with round heads with a copper disk with a spike in the center and a sewing machine tension spring (the cone one) pushing down.the disk will JUST fit in the cavity in the probe body
01:49 AM Cromaglious_: I'll put a really string spring on it, chuck it in the lathe and then sharpen the point
01:49 AM Cromaglious_: strong spring
01:49 AM Cromaglious_: then put the lighter one back in
01:50 AM Cromaglious_: nice t shirt... You Matter, unless you multiply yourself by the speed of light squared, then You Energy...
01:51 AM XXCoder: yeah like that one
01:55 AM archivist: probes are just a few grams, some adjustable, highest seen about 300gms lowest about 20
01:56 AM XXCoder: I want to figure a design where rod attachment to pointer end is just one inch or less
01:58 AM Cromaglious_: I'm going co-axial... and live with offset
01:59 AM XXCoder: yay genetic test allowed to be forced on employees now
01:59 AM XXCoder: I felt we had too much privacy.
03:01 AM archivist: I built a probe force measuring thing with a strain gauge and arduino looking at the contacts, it measures the force at opening
03:02 AM Cromaglious_: wooo there's an idea... http://www.ebay.com/itm/2PCS-120ohm-Foil-Strain-Gauge-for-Weighing-Sensor-Pressure-Transmitter-/152270377127?hash=item23740590a7:g:mUUAAOSw8gVX4UDR
03:03 AM XXCoder: how much force to trigger?
03:04 AM Cromaglious_: not much... soon as you see a resistance change... I'd flick it about a bit before putting it in the machine measuring the highest resistance and consider it trip on a resistance higher than that..
03:04 AM Cromaglious_: so machine moving inertia doesn't get you
03:05 AM XXCoder: can test moving faster and faster till it trigger
03:05 AM XXCoder: and set half that speed
03:05 AM Cromaglious_: archivist, those need to bend to register don't they...
03:05 AM IchGucksLive: Goo morning from a Sunny Germany
03:06 AM XXCoder: old NES glove can bend to be detected
03:06 AM Cromaglious_: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Strain-gauge-Bending-detection-Sensor-Module-Weigh-Amplifier-Voltage-Output-LW-/182409854910?hash=item2a78797fbe:g:z3IAAOSw241YbIsU
03:06 AM XXCoder: I wonder if that can be sued
03:06 AM XXCoder: hey ich
03:06 AM XXCoder: I ordered 16 various sizes 2020 to make box for my electrics
03:06 AM IchGucksLive: ;-)
03:06 AM XXCoder: becsuse why not
03:07 AM Cromaglious_: IchGucksLive, morning it was nice and sunny here in california today... about 28C today
03:07 AM XXCoder: raining almost nonstop here. typical WA spring.
03:07 AM IchGucksLive: XXCoder: did you see the Hevy load work on the chees using torandinal milling path
03:07 AM archivist: Cromaglious_, probes bend to measure anyway
03:07 AM XXCoder: no
03:08 AM IchGucksLive: https://youtu.be/yyJiVBdlflU
03:08 AM IchGucksLive: the mill is not stable
03:08 AM IchGucksLive: it has backlash all axis
03:08 AM XXCoder: sorry too much camera motion\
03:09 AM XXCoder: im still very sensive to that
03:09 AM IchGucksLive: but runs on hardwood 1inch depth at 30inch/min
03:09 AM IchGucksLive: with no head at the tool
03:09 AM Cromaglious_: thinking putting the sensor on a bit of spring steel with a hole in the middle and having the probe have a pointed top so on side load it would force the steel away and bend it a bit. straight down would bend it
03:10 AM IchGucksLive: XC shoudt i make a fixed cam potion on that
03:10 AM XXCoder: yeah
03:10 AM XXCoder: most people can stand that but I cant, expecially if already stuck in dizzy mode
03:10 AM archivist: Cromaglious_, bottom 4 pics http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=probe+pd
03:11 AM Cromaglious_: -----<===> | with | being the flat spring steel and <====>----- the probe be angled at the ends so on side load there is up down motion as well
03:11 AM IchGucksLive: XXCoder: i will do for you
03:11 AM XXCoder: probe I read so far is quite simple inside, 3 rods and 6 hopefully kinda good spheres
03:12 AM XXCoder: with loop traveling though bolts and rods
03:12 AM Granath: http://fadedbits.com/2011/02/touchprobe/
03:12 AM IchGucksLive: What is the Correct English spelling for that tool path
03:12 AM XXCoder: one where it rotates around as it cuts? for constant cut depth?
03:12 AM XXCoder: I dont know name of that either
03:13 AM XXCoder: Granath: yeah that
03:13 AM XXCoder: just dunno how I'd make it so uits much shorter
03:13 AM Granath: Pretty simple but would be effective i think
03:13 AM XXCoder: (yours?) that probe is longer than my machine clearance
03:14 AM Granath: no, just google
03:14 AM Granath: but i'm thinking of building one
03:14 AM Granath: only have a tool probe now
03:14 AM XXCoder: theres few 3d print projects also
03:15 AM XXCoder: lovely video https://youtu.be/_m4quM9Lvog
03:15 AM Cromaglious_: IchGucksLive, Nice electronics case!
03:15 AM IchGucksLive: im still probing with the real cutter
03:16 AM IchGucksLive: Cromaglious_: http://foengarage.de/4achs_elek.jpg
03:17 AM Cromaglious_: I wish I could generate a tool path like that
03:17 AM XXCoder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZDlyLI_jbc
03:17 AM XXCoder: nice!
03:17 AM XXCoder: fairly short too
03:17 AM IchGucksLive: Cromaglious_: its Estlcam and its free
03:18 AM Cromaglious_: wooo gonna have to get me that
03:18 AM XXCoder: estlcam lemme look into that
03:18 AM IchGucksLive: ise wine
03:18 AM IchGucksLive: use
03:18 AM IchGucksLive: make a standalone wine32
03:18 AM XXCoder: I would have to use wine also
03:19 AM IchGucksLive: let me get you a help sheet
03:19 AM XXCoder: wtf https://youtu.be/bhZdbgM6S70
03:19 AM XXCoder: its probing by itself
03:19 AM Cromaglious_: fudge it's winbloz
03:19 AM XXCoder: Cromaglious_: wine
03:19 AM Cromaglious_: oh yeah
03:19 AM Cromaglious_: DOH!
03:19 AM XXCoder: not all cams can do wine, but that one apparently does.
03:20 AM XXCoder: ah electric loop detect
03:20 AM IchGucksLive: https://sites.google.com/site/electroniceccentricity/x/estlcam-cam-program-on-linux
03:20 AM Cromaglious_: almost witching hour... My Witch and I need to get to bed... Load out of stage and flats tomorrow and unloading all the lights out of the Car
03:21 AM IchGucksLive: once you got the winetricks dotnet40 gdiplus d3dx9_36 on the system
03:21 AM IchGucksLive: after the hide Time is getting worse
03:21 AM XXCoder: Cromaglious_: night
03:22 AM IchGucksLive: yust delete the "./wine32
03:22 AM IchGucksLive: and start over
03:22 AM IchGucksLive: its like reinstall WinXP
03:22 AM Cromaglious_: IchGucksLive, thanks for the info! nite nite XXCoder archivist IchGucksLive
03:22 AM IchGucksLive: NP
03:22 AM XXCoder: if that one works, finally have decent cam for "linux"
03:23 AM XXCoder: wine but still
03:23 AM IchGucksLive: i dont like it that mutch
03:23 AM IchGucksLive: but it is best for wod work
03:23 AM IchGucksLive: wood
03:23 AM XXCoder: nothings perfect
03:24 AM IchGucksLive: http://heimwerkermarkt-tretter.de/hs.jpg
03:24 AM XXCoder: I'm thinking of using some thickness metal sheet to make attachment surface for electric boards and tb6600s
03:24 AM XXCoder: but not sure what thickness is best
03:25 AM IchGucksLive: why not yust a H-rail it fits the 120mm tb6600
03:25 AM XXCoder: including PWM and BOB boards?
03:25 AM IchGucksLive: BOB has PWM and 0-12 on boad
03:26 AM IchGucksLive: at 6USD
03:26 AM IchGucksLive: fulli isolated
03:26 AM XXCoder: yeah it come with spindle
03:26 AM XXCoder: so cost was zero basically heh
03:26 AM XXCoder: anyway
03:26 AM IchGucksLive: as you use Relay switch 5V
03:27 AM IchGucksLive: towards spindle
03:27 AM XXCoder: more 2020s to support stuff not bad idea, easier maybe
03:27 AM IchGucksLive: XXCoder: did you see the wood signes
03:27 AM XXCoder: yep forgot to comment heh its awesome.
03:27 AM XXCoder: wanna make stuff like that.
03:27 AM XXCoder: I also want to make bamboo world map height sign
03:27 AM IchGucksLive: estlcam carve is best on that
03:28 AM XXCoder: though that one can be natively done on linux (image to height)
03:28 AM IchGucksLive: that i woudt go for heeks
03:28 AM IchGucksLive: via Blender
03:28 AM XXCoder: oh $50 not free
03:28 AM IchGucksLive: to get a real good 3D map model stl
03:29 AM IchGucksLive: no its free
03:29 AM IchGucksLive: it times up
03:29 AM XXCoder: http://www.estlcam.com/estlcam.php
03:29 AM IchGucksLive: at 10 Usiges and more
03:29 AM IchGucksLive: it fully workes
03:29 AM IchGucksLive: on the trial no brek down at all
03:30 AM IchGucksLive: i use it since a long time
03:30 AM XXCoder: well if its good I would buy since no reason not to
03:30 AM IchGucksLive: agree
03:30 AM IchGucksLive: but you can just delete the "/eine32 and start over 2min work
03:31 AM IchGucksLive: all you loose is Tooltable
03:31 AM IchGucksLive: and special lcnc config
03:31 AM IchGucksLive: the one on the system is without G64 Pxx
03:32 AM IchGucksLive: and you need it as the carving and torantinal is only G1
03:32 AM Deejay: moin
03:32 AM IchGucksLive: alot of lines
03:32 AM XXCoder: hey
03:32 AM IchGucksLive: Deejay: moin http://heimwerkermarkt-tretter.de/hs.jpg
03:32 AM XXCoder: honestly if its decent 59 is cheap, many cams is hundreds of dollars
03:32 AM Deejay: nice
03:32 AM XXCoder: and some even 200 bucks a year!
03:33 AM XXCoder: I refuse to pay annual fees and in some cases, monthly!
03:33 AM IchGucksLive: then i woudt go on online Fusion360
03:33 AM IchGucksLive: it has all
03:33 AM IchGucksLive: and only to send Costom ID to them and you can run it for free
03:33 AM XXCoder: fusion 360 barely works in virtualpc
03:34 AM IchGucksLive: if you are below the liit
03:34 AM XXCoder: wine not at all
03:34 AM IchGucksLive: im off
03:34 AM XXCoder: later
03:34 AM IchGucksLive: grand children arrived and we have a nive hopfully COOL without smartphone day
03:35 AM XXCoder: make cell jammer lol (no, dont do that its bad against law lol)
08:01 AM root-x: test
08:05 AM malcom2073: fail
08:07 AM root-x: format c:
09:46 AM sliptoni` is now known as sliptonic
10:32 AM IchGucksLive: hi all its a sunny but cold day in germay
10:32 AM R2E4_bevins1: hi all
10:33 AM IchGucksLive: ;-)
10:33 AM R2E4_bevins1: Is there any way I can get access to pins in python? I am trying but it is not working.
10:33 AM R2E4_bevins1: I want to energize an ouput
10:33 AM R2E4_bevins1: in python
10:33 AM IchGucksLive: via hal
10:33 AM R2E4_bevins1: trying to get ATC working
10:34 AM IchGucksLive: just set the Hal oin
10:34 AM IchGucksLive: pin
10:34 AM R2E4_bevins1: its not working
10:34 AM R2E4_bevins1: How do you set halpin in python?
10:35 AM R2E4_bevins1: halcmd setp mesapin true, I can do that in M100
10:35 AM R2E4_bevins1: but not in python code
10:35 AM IchGucksLive: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/hal/halmodule.html
10:35 AM IchGucksLive: as simple as it is
10:36 AM R2E4_bevins1: yeah.... create new pins in userspace, then connect in halfile to halpins?
10:37 AM IchGucksLive: its a new Halpin that is created
10:37 AM IchGucksLive: and you can connect it in the postgui to your mesa output
10:37 AM IchGucksLive: so then python drives your mesa pin
10:38 AM R2E4_bevins1: ok cool, I'll try that
10:39 AM R2E4_bevins1: Is that one way to drive the ATC?
10:40 AM IchGucksLive: keep in minde its only triggerd once per second
10:41 AM IchGucksLive: if you need more precision ore faster then use postgui Hal
10:41 AM IchGucksLive: ATC is at Stepper servo real Mashine conversion
10:42 AM R2E4_bevins1: Auto Toll Changer
10:42 AM R2E4_bevins1: Tool
10:42 AM IchGucksLive: THE ATC is it homemade
10:42 AM IchGucksLive: is it driven by stepepr
10:43 AM IchGucksLive: You normaly use Big Real mashines as i remeber the nick
10:43 AM R2E4_bevins1: It is a real big Machine
10:43 AM R2E4_bevins1: lol
10:44 AM R2E4_bevins1: Servos
10:44 AM IchGucksLive: ;-)
10:44 AM IchGucksLive: so what is the PIN supost to do you want to drive by python
10:44 AM R2E4_bevins1: 15,000 lbs worth
10:45 AM IchGucksLive: is it a lathe or a mill
10:45 AM R2E4_bevins1: I am trying to make my toolchanger work
10:45 AM IchGucksLive: and what mesa is used
10:46 AM R2E4_bevins1: pin to lift tool holder, pin to release cone, pin to lock cone, pin to open magazine cover
10:46 AM R2E4_bevins1: 5i25,7i77, 7i70, 2X7i71
10:46 AM R2E4_bevins1: 7i74 and 7i84
10:46 AM IchGucksLive: that seams to be a PTC chain so Classic-ladder
10:47 AM R2E4_bevins1: I need to miove axis to perform tool change but CL cannot move axis
10:47 AM IchGucksLive: maybe a complete m6 make over
10:47 AM R2E4_bevins1: thats what I am trying to do....lol
10:47 AM IchGucksLive: Gcode can move to tool Change position G30
10:48 AM IchGucksLive: and from there its your turn
10:48 AM R2E4_bevins1: I created an XML file, and read it, and lcnc has can see the data in python no problem. I am now just trying to fire an output
10:49 AM IchGucksLive: thats the first link i gave to you
10:50 AM IchGucksLive: R2E4_bevins1: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ContributedComponents
10:52 AM R2E4_bevins1: ouch, have to compile the component?
10:52 AM R2E4_bevins1: I'll read upon this.
10:52 AM R2E4_bevins1: Thanks
10:54 AM IchGucksLive: no it can be loadusr direct
10:55 AM IchGucksLive: R2E4_bevins1: there is also a good arduino input component that can read alot of analog digital and even pwm pins
10:55 AM IchGucksLive: https://emergent.unpythonic.net/01198594294
10:58 AM IchGucksLive: R2E4_bevins1: component name and filename needs to be the same
10:58 AM IchGucksLive: filename with no ending
10:58 AM R2E4_bevins1: I can use the arduino component without the arduino?
10:58 AM IchGucksLive: no
10:59 AM IchGucksLive: that makes no sence
10:59 AM R2E4_bevins1: lol, yeah I know\
10:59 AM IchGucksLive: arduino is to comunicate postgui maily to the LCNC hal and gui
11:00 AM IchGucksLive: with very cool cheep hardware
11:00 AM DaPeace: i used that for a while and switched to beckhoff ethercat because the arduino+ the component is a little laggy..
11:00 AM IchGucksLive: getting this on a refit low cost level
11:01 AM IchGucksLive: im off till later
11:05 AM archivist: a good proportion use classicladder for tool changers
11:06 AM R2E4_bevins1: I would love to use CL, but you cant if you need axis movenet during tool change
11:17 AM JT-Shop: you can use cl for part of your tool change
11:20 AM R2E4_bevins1: JT-Shop: thats what I was waiting for, or looking for.
11:21 AM R2E4_bevins1: I am so far off the path.....lol
11:24 AM R2E4_bevins1: I'm going to regroup and start back at zero.
11:25 AM JT-Shop: sometimes that helps
11:32 AM JT-Shop: got 2 yard eggs today :)
11:38 AM JT-Shop: R2E4_bevins1: sometimes I find it helps to make a list in order of each step/condition and when that is correct then start to code
11:39 AM R2E4_bevins1: I have the listed the steps needed.
11:41 AM archivist: writing...what is that :)
11:48 AM R2E4_bevins1: writing?
11:49 AM archivist: "make a list"
11:50 AM R2E4_bevins1: I basically wrote it down whats required, the logic of the tool change
12:06 PM R2E4_bevins1: IS there a document that explains the tool change process? I know the IO toolchange, but a general document that shows the flow, passing to CL and back and the whole process?
12:07 PM archivist: not sure ther can be one doc, many different tool changers out there
12:33 PM R2E4_bevins1: What is a TOOL_CHANGE cannon command?
12:37 PM archivist: dunno where this is in 2.7 docs http://linuxcnc.org/lucid/docs/2.6/html/code/Code_Notes.html#_the_tool_table_and_toolchanger
12:39 PM archivist: here http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/code/code-notes.html#_the_tool_table_and_toolchanger
12:40 PM archivist: see 24.3.1
12:41 PM R2E4_bevins1: AH!..... Now thats some need to know info...
12:42 PM archivist: most stuff is there, just a bugger to find
12:43 PM archivist: and doc+web site maintainers dont set the right stuff for google to know the important stuff to return first
12:46 PM R2E4_bevins1: yeah...... anyway, I will have to do this in python I think. Too many variances from the standard, re: not including the xyz moves but spindle 0,1 and 2, in that only toll changes required on spindle 1, spindle 2 and three will always have the same tool in them, plus 32 tools not in spindle 0 1 and 2, they have their own output that needs to fire to drop them along with the offset in tool table to their location.
12:47 PM R2E4_bevins1: re: if tool 20-55, no tool change required they are already in spindle.
12:48 PM archivist: multi head is probably enough different that you could help fix the source for that :)
12:48 PM R2E4_bevins1: with help maybe, not by myself I cannot....
12:49 PM R2E4_bevins1: Is someone already working on that?
12:50 PM archivist: I know andypugh is looking at the multi head problem
12:51 PM archivist: think wickman multi bar lathe, often those dont need tool change
12:52 PM R2E4_bevins1: I think the multi-spindle is for using multiple spindles at the same time to duplicate pieces at the same time on the machine
12:52 PM archivist: not on a lathe
12:52 PM archivist: there are some odd setups
12:53 PM archivist: I have a single spindle machine with many toolposts
12:55 PM R2E4_bevins1: I have three spindles and a tool changer.
12:55 PM R2E4_bevins1: Was thinking to just change the tool in spindle 1
12:56 PM R2E4_bevins1: Keep the same tools in spindle 2 and 3.
12:56 PM R2E4_bevins1: Plus there are 33 different boring spindles that dont change tools.
12:57 PM archivist: you might be passing work along the bed under the various tools or making 3 off identical or 3 completely different
12:57 PM R2E4_bevins1: The three spindles and the 33 boring spindles need an out fired to be used to drop them via pneumatics, so they can be used independantly.
12:58 PM R2E4_bevins1: I cannot ever have any 2 of the spindles 1,2,3 on at the same time. I select them via contactor that routes the output of the inverter to the selected spindle.
12:59 PM archivist: until you get another two inverters :)
12:59 PM R2E4_bevins1: the 33 spindles all turn at the same time via a gearbox, and I drop the one I want to use. they use a different output than the inverter, they have a motor that I turn on.
01:00 PM R2E4_bevins1: this is all working, I am just working on getting the tool change working on spindle 1
01:00 PM R2E4_bevins1: lol, yeah, Not going down that route anytime soon. these inverters are expensive...lol
01:02 PM R2E4_bevins1: I just read on the list, the multi spindle Andy working on is nopt the case I have. His stuff works up to 8 spindles. syncing spindle moves
01:03 PM archivist: yes the wickman case
01:05 PM R2E4_bevins1: so using the iocontrol toolchange I can do in CL, I just have to figure out the remapping to get axis movement.
01:07 PM Crom_in_ned is now known as Crom_in_bed
01:08 PM R2E4_bevins1: Well kind of, I need an if statement, which is not available with iocontrol that says if tool 20-55 do not do tool change just select the spindle the tool is in.
01:10 PM archivist: you might be able to just output the number use that in a mux to select the tool
01:11 PM archivist: there are various comparators which are the hardware version of "if"
01:12 PM Crom_in_bed: I'd get up, however I'm suffering a severe case of feline paralysis
01:12 PM archivist: eg http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/man/man9/comp.9.html
01:14 PM archivist: so you compare to 20 >= then whatever
01:14 PM R2E4_bevins1: that would be a long loadrt with 36 names
01:14 PM archivist: I dont think so
01:15 PM archivist: here I am thinking of mapping the number direct to pin
01:15 PM archivist: but only for the drill spindles
01:16 PM Crom_in_bed: bbiaw
01:17 PM R2E4_bevins1: dstinguish between spindle 1 or the rest, if its the rest, use tool# to fire the output that drops it.
01:18 PM R2E4_bevins1: if its 1 then do a tool change
01:18 PM R2E4_bevins1: or 1-20, whatever I set for tool changes
01:20 PM archivist: no, between 20-55 (select spindle) and the rest, (do tool change)
01:21 PM archivist: but either are about equivalent ish +- a guess
01:25 PM R2E4_bevins1: going to try some stuff..
01:29 PM IchGucksLive: hi
01:32 PM IchGucksLive: R2E4_bevins1: still on
02:00 PM IchGucksLive: R2E4_bevins1: ?
02:10 PM IchGucksLive: ok im off for today
02:11 PM IchGucksLive: R2E4_bevins1: as i read the log to your ATC problem iwoudt like to talk to you there is a mutch quicker easyer way to trigger this
02:11 PM IchGucksLive: 7pm CET
02:49 PM Cromaglious_: ahhh gmt +1
02:49 PM Cromaglious_: <-- gmt-8 Kalifornistan
02:51 PM Cromaglious_: darn cat took forever to kick off...
03:00 PM roycroft: california is utc-8, not gmt-8
03:01 PM roycroft: the uk, ireland, and parts of canada are the only places whois legal time is based on gmt
03:01 PM roycroft: whose
03:07 PM andypugh: Though it makes little practical difference.
03:08 PM roycroft: up to a second, at times
03:08 PM roycroft: that's enough to give some computers conniption fits
04:03 PM connor_goodwolf: yar
04:03 PM connor_goodwolf: is there a comparison of different lasers for etching and cutting anywhere? Specifically 15W lasers and below, the lasers with the rectangular heatsink you can get from Aliexpress.
04:04 PM * Loetmichel states: when my wife has "walked down" the rubber pads on the crutches (takes half a year) they are somehow "rotten fixed" to the aluminium pipes of the crutches... I just nearly ripped the skin of my palms trying to "twist" the old ones from the crutches to mount new Rubber pads... ouch, Palms still burning :-(
04:04 PM connor_goodwolf: 15W (average 8W), 10W (average 6W), etc
04:04 PM connor_goodwolf: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Freeshipping-15W-15000mW-High-power-laser-engraving-Laser-module-Blue-Light-450nm-laser-head/32750454123.html
04:05 PM cpresser: connor_goodwolf: imho those are (dangerous) toys. for 'real' work you need at least a 30W Co2 laser
04:06 PM connor_goodwolf: cpresser: I'm well aware
04:06 PM connor_goodwolf: I'll be building a box around it
04:06 PM connor_goodwolf: Most of what I want to do is etching not cutting
04:06 PM connor_goodwolf: Watching the speeds on the 10W laser units for cutting plexiglass, I think the speed is okay.
04:07 PM cpresser: for little more money you get this crap: https://de.aliexpress.com/item/0-8-KW-Air-Cooled-Spindle-Motor-CNC-engraving-milling-grind-220-AC-65x185mm-ER11-4/1717232652.html?ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_1_10065_10068_433_434_10136_10137_10138_10060_10062_10056_10055_10054_302_10059_10099_10103_10102_10101_10096_10052_10053_10050_10107_10051_10106_10084_10083_10080_10082_10081_10110_10111_10112_1
04:07 PM connor_goodwolf: eventually yes, I want to build a more professional laser
04:07 PM cpresser: 0113_10114_10078_10079_10073_10070_10122_10123_10126_6000000_10124-10102,searchweb201603_3,afswitch_1,ppcSwitch_2,single_sort_0_default&btsid=4662a382-469f-41d7-af37-f264d6171c1a&algo_expid=181c96a4-eef6-4900-bb4b-ad933b4da8f7-7&algo_pvid=181c96a4-eef6-4900-bb4b-ad933b4da8f7
04:07 PM connor_goodwolf: holy URL batman
04:07 PM cpresser: ah shitty, aliexpress links. sorry
04:08 PM cpresser: https://de.aliexpress.com/item/0-8-KW-Air-Cooled-Spindle-Motor-CNC-engraving-milling-grind-220-AC-65x185mm-ER11-4/1717232652.html?isOrigTitle=true
04:08 PM connor_goodwolf: ohh, I've seen these units
04:08 PM connor_goodwolf: are these the ones with the locked chinese firmware?
04:09 PM cpresser: they have some custom control. without any documentation. but they work
04:09 PM cpresser: and you can rebuild them if you like
04:12 PM cpresser: connor_goodwolf: how do those blue lasers cut acrylic? got a video of that?
04:12 PM cpresser: afaik blue light will pass transparent materials
04:13 PM connor_goodwolf: the videos I seen did not use blue lasers
04:14 PM * cpresser has a 80W chinese co2-laser. still with the original controll. it performs reasonably well. to much effort to actually rebuild it
04:15 PM cpresser: besides, raster-engraving is still not that easy with linuxcnc. The code is out there, but hard to integrate use
04:15 PM cpresser: so far i was to lazy to actually improve it
04:17 PM connor_goodwolf: Which is the best acrylic to work with?
04:17 PM connor_goodwolf: I know there is cast and extruded
04:17 PM * connor_goodwolf has lots of plexiglass and other sheets of plastic
04:18 PM cpresser: actually I have nevern seen great differences when laser-cutting XT or GS acrylic.
04:18 PM connor_goodwolf: ah okay cool, so I can use any of my plastic without worry
04:19 PM cpresser: acrylic, yes
04:19 PM cpresser: POM also cuts nicely. PVC is a no go
04:19 PM cpresser: ABS is a mess, so is PC
04:19 PM connor_goodwolf: what happens with ABS sheets? >.>
04:20 PM cpresser: they do cut, but the edge melts, and it stinks
04:21 PM Cromaglious_: ABS needs a shit load of air assist and a very good exhaust setup
04:21 PM connor_goodwolf: wow... yeah I just looked up vids on youtube. Even the chinese promo videos... lots of smoke, shitty looking edges
04:21 PM cpresser: all that is for co2-lasers (10um wavelength)
04:21 PM cpresser: unsure how visible lasers perform
04:22 PM connor_goodwolf: I think if I need to do ABS I'll stick with my CNC machine
04:22 PM Cromaglious_: ABS is nice in only that you can use acetone to glue it
04:22 PM cpresser: acetone also works for acrylic.
04:22 PM cpresser: but not on laser-cut parts unless you temper them
04:22 PM connor_goodwolf: "acetone also works for acrylic" - sure, and if you look close there are stress fractures
04:23 PM connor_goodwolf: I prefer a glue or bonding agent with the purpose of bonding acrylic
04:23 PM Cromaglious_: connor_goodwolf, same here
04:24 PM cpresser: most glues have solvents which crack the acrylic when it has stress
04:24 PM Cromaglious_: with acrylic I bend more than cut
04:24 PM connor_goodwolf: yeah, I've read books on bonding acrylic :P
04:24 PM connor_goodwolf: there was a nice book released like 5 years ago which went over the major brands, tests and which is best for different applications
04:25 PM * cpresser does not glue acrylic if it needs to look nice.
04:25 PM Cromaglious_: a box would be 2 pieces of acrylic either 5sides and 1 or 3 sides and 3sides
04:25 PM cpresser: i rather ask people that have mastered the process :)
04:25 PM Cromaglious_: I stopped doing much acrylic 30 years ago...
04:26 PM Cromaglious_: I'm more likely to use polycarbonate now
04:26 PM Cromaglious_: much better aging
04:30 PM connor_goodwolf: Thank you for the machine recommendation, I do believe that will be suitable
04:31 PM sync_: a city I used to live in always smelled like the methyl methacrylate when evonik was casting large pmma parts
04:33 PM sync_: but DCM and MMA works nice to glue plexi :D
04:57 PM XXCoder: rough wake up today jeez
05:01 PM Deejay: gn8
05:19 PM Crom: ack.. was in #linxcnc
05:20 PM Crom: now trying to figure out Pin 10... trying to use it for X Home. it's pin 10 to gnd right?
05:45 PM JT-Shop: pin 10 of what?
05:45 PM XXCoder: I really n eed to figure how to use switches
05:46 PM JT-Shop: I use my right hand usually but sometimes my left
06:19 PM XXCoder: dammn wish ich is in
06:20 PM JT-Shop: kinda late for him
06:20 PM XXCoder: yeah
06:21 PM JT-Shop: this tired old dog is calling it quits
06:21 PM XXCoder: estlcam im tryuing to figure how to do islands
06:21 PM XXCoder: woof
06:21 PM XXCoder: night JT-Shop :)
06:46 PM Cromaglious_: great lemme go find my phone
06:47 PM XXCoder: remember, no dick pics
06:47 PM Cromaglious_: heh
06:47 PM Cromaglious_: it had andchat running on it
06:48 PM XXCoder: I just discovered estlcam, it seems decent so far
06:48 PM XXCoder: not complex
06:48 PM Cromaglious_: I haven't had time to load it yet
06:51 PM Cromaglious_: carp... winetrick is an ubuntu package..
06:54 PM XXCoder: doh
06:54 PM XXCoder: what you use
07:03 PM Cromaglious_: debian 8.7 amd64
07:03 PM XXCoder: winetricks seem to exist
07:03 PM Cromaglious_: then had to load apt-get install https-transport thingy
07:04 PM Cromaglious_: wincfg is finally running
07:04 PM XXCoder: I just used commands shown in that guide
07:04 PM XXCoder: worked fine
07:05 PM XXCoder: just had to change filename to more current 10
07:11 PM Cromaglious_: doh installed it for root.. now installing for user
07:12 PM XXCoder: drafted a random cat logo
07:13 PM XXCoder: now to play with it in estlcam
07:18 PM Cromaglious_: at Estlcam.mw.t_init_Tick (System.Object sender, System.EventArgs e) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
07:18 PM Cromaglious_: not running... grrrr 64 or 32 bit
07:19 PM XXCoder: im using 32bit version
07:25 PM Cromaglious_: reinstalling wine in 32 and 64 bit versions
07:25 PM XXCoder: wtf??
07:25 PM XXCoder: seem cant edit tools anymore in camotics
07:25 PM XXCoder: only import or export
07:26 PM XXCoder: ah found a way. changed pretty lot
08:32 PM XXCoder: new myfordboy
09:52 PM R2E4_bevins1: tool changing is complicated for a non programmer....
09:52 PM R2E4_bevins1: Been on it all weekend and have gone nowhere....
10:00 PM XXCoder: automated tool changing>?
10:01 PM R2E4_bevins1: yeah
10:01 PM R2E4_bevins1: I cant wrap my head around it
10:03 PM XXCoder: tough I guess
10:08 PM chopper79: Evening
10:08 PM R2E4_bevins1: chopper79: hi
10:08 PM R2E4_bevins1: Did you get your ATC working?
10:08 PM chopper79: yes
10:08 PM R2E4_bevins1: Did you remap M6?
10:08 PM chopper79: couple weeks ago, or clsoe to that
10:09 PM chopper79: classic ladder
10:09 PM R2E4_bevins1: you didnt have to move your axis during toolchange?
10:09 PM chopper79: No jut z axis to ATc position and then a set of switches are closed to tell LCNC that Z is in position. Then the magazine does the moving
10:10 PM chopper79: Here is a video
10:10 PM chopper79: http://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/g-code/gen05.html
10:11 PM chopper79: sorry wrong link
10:11 PM chopper79: https://youtu.be/6stq2EInSoE
10:11 PM chopper79: lol..try that one
10:11 PM chopper79: https://youtu.be/AxO6VV-bBiQ
10:11 PM XXCoder: modding and beer
10:12 PM chopper79: I am messing up right and left to night
10:12 PM R2E4_bevins1: thats cool
10:13 PM Connor: Hey Guys, I've got a Metal Cutting bandsaw that has it's worm gear stripped out. I've looked all over the place for a replacement, but can't find one. Anyone here capable of making a replacement?
10:13 PM chopper79: XXCoder: yes I will have a beer or two while doing SOME mods. Most of the time I will not though
10:13 PM R2E4_bevins1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjZOzYhkIF4
10:13 PM R2E4_bevins1: Thats what I have to do
10:14 PM Connor: It's a 20T Gear. I can provide the original, and the worm too (Will have to pull it from the motor.)
10:14 PM chopper79: R2E4_bevins1: Looks like fun
10:15 PM XXCoder: yours?
10:15 PM R2E4_bevins1: thats not my machine but mine is just like that
10:16 PM XXCoder: cool :)
10:16 PM R2E4_bevins1: remapping has got me in a twist
10:16 PM XXCoder: my machine is just too small for tool holders, let alone toolchanger
10:16 PM chopper79: I will be working on a remapped M6 machine in the next couple weeks.
10:16 PM BeachBumPete: man that is nice
10:16 PM chopper79: Will be interesting to get working I think
10:17 PM BeachBumPete: I doubt I will ever get my toolchanger working on my VMC
10:17 PM chopper79: BeachBumPete: why is that
10:17 PM chopper79: ?
10:17 PM R2E4_bevins1: If your not a programmer, forget it......
10:17 PM BeachBumPete: because it is just over my head I think
10:18 PM jdh: that's an awfully tall tool changer.
10:18 PM R2E4_bevins1: either that or find someone that is willing....
10:18 PM chopper79: So did I until I started reading about classic ladder and what I can do with it.
10:18 PM chopper79: Took me about 2 days to get my head wrapped around it. I am not a programmer either.
10:18 PM R2E4_bevins1: Classicladder is not too bad. I did the whole machine with it.
10:18 PM BeachBumPete: well apparently mine is like R2's in the head needs to move during the toolchange
10:19 PM R2E4_bevins1: Toolchanger that you dont have to move the axis is kind of easy or doable without know programming.
10:19 PM chopper79: yup, remap M6 would be your ticket. Use Gcode to do the work.
10:19 PM chopper79: subroutines will work fine as well
10:19 PM R2E4_bevins1: exactly, if your not a programmer, it is not doable.
10:19 PM BeachBumPete: well apparently some folks have figured out how to do it without using remap
10:20 PM chopper79: I am not a programmer
10:20 PM R2E4_bevins1: Pete, is that documented somnewhere?
10:20 PM chopper79: I believe they are using Mcodes if I remeber correctly
10:21 PM XXCoder: yeah machine I use at work remaps m6
10:21 PM BeachBumPete: Well andypugh has something for it
10:21 PM XXCoder: it has looongass script to check tool size before changing it
10:21 PM XXCoder: "Warning tool broken!"
10:22 PM chopper79: Nice
10:22 PM chopper79: I am wanting to hook up a wireless renishaw probe with tool setter. Then have some probing features in Axis to probe the top and side of stock for setups.
10:22 PM chopper79: It is on my to do list one day
10:22 PM R2E4_bevins1: Is it possible to do a toolchange with just mcodes?
10:23 PM XXCoder: r2e4 you can set script to m6 to do stuff
10:23 PM XXCoder: im not familiar enough to explain more unfortunately.
10:24 PM chopper79: same here
10:26 PM chopper79: Is there a Axis sim for rack tool changer?
10:26 PM R2E4_bevins1: I'll post in the forum and maybe Andy will pipe in with something.
10:26 PM chopper79: Seems like I remeber one maybe
10:27 PM R2E4_bevins1: there is JT's turret but it doesnt remap or move the axis
10:27 PM chopper79: Luanching LCNC now I need to check to see if there is
10:27 PM BeachBumPete: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfZwpjUs1xI
10:29 PM XXCoder: nice
10:30 PM chopper79: I thought I seen one.... It is under sim => Axis => remap => rack tool change
10:30 PM R2E4_bevins1: does it move the axis?
10:30 PM BeachBumPete: yup
10:31 PM R2E4_bevins1: ooohh!
10:32 PM chopper79: Seems to function like your video showed
10:33 PM R2E4_bevins1: HTF did I miss that?
10:33 PM BeachBumPete: he was talking about it on here awhile
10:33 PM BeachBumPete: my problem is I have yet to get orient working or I would have already tried it
10:34 PM BeachBumPete: Well I gotta get to bed. Gn8 guys...
10:34 PM R2E4_bevins1: nite Pete
10:34 PM chopper79: lol.. later
10:34 PM R2E4_bevins1: I'm going to go look at that
10:34 PM chopper79: It has 6 tools already programmed in the sample rack to get you started.
10:35 PM XXCoder: aww cute https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkSgdBCKVdo
10:36 PM XXCoder: also rare video where it shows the part where he grinds though batch jobs, not the specific board hes working on to video and special orfer
10:36 PM chopper79: Orientation is easy if you have a signal to tell the vfd to orientate and the vfd has an output that is triggered when orientation is complete. Then you can link that complete signal to the tc
10:38 PM chopper79: nice video.... reminds me of my kids and me in the shop
10:39 PM XXCoder: yeah video shows him just making raw materials
10:42 PM chopper79: I was looking at 200w fiber lasers for the 3D metal printing we were taling about last night..... yeah I can not afford one of those just to play with.
10:42 PM XXCoder: I bet yeah
10:42 PM chopper79: One form china that will break in a short while is about 3500 -4500 before shipping.
10:43 PM chopper79: So a US made one is gonna be doubel to triple that
10:44 PM XXCoder: if light engraving you can easily add 2w say diode
10:44 PM XXCoder: thats 80 bucks
10:44 PM chopper79: correct... I want to sinister metal
10:44 PM chopper79: so need MORE POWER
10:45 PM chopper79: oh and that 3500 -4500 was only the head. So I still nedd power supply, all mechanicals, chiller, etc.
10:46 PM chopper79: Would be over 20k I bet when done.
10:46 PM chopper79: Makes my $150 laser tube replacment look cheap
10:52 PM R2E4_bevins1: downloading updates..... 110%
10:52 PM R2E4_bevins1: lol
10:52 PM XXCoder: I once had download go 250%
11:59 PM Crom: There andchat correctly configured
11:59 PM XXCoder: yay