#linuxcnc Logs
Mar 07 2017
#linuxcnc Calendar
12:16 AM MacGalempsy: zzz
12:22 AM Cromaglious_: yep
12:23 AM Cromaglious_: brought home another BOB... so I can see where what goes on the active one. pin 1 is PWM what????
12:26 AM MacGalempsy: what kind of bob?
12:26 AM MacGalempsy: just found out our next location is an hour north of nowhere
12:35 AM Jymmm: better than anywhere
12:41 AM Cromaglious_: fleabay BOB 1 relay
12:42 AM MacGalempsy: heh. true
12:42 AM MacGalempsy: Jymmm what are you working on this week?
12:43 AM Cromaglious_: which is how many hours from somewhere?
12:44 AM MacGalempsy: a few
12:45 AM Cromaglious_: If it's in the Bayou and you start hearing banjo music, FLEE!!!!
12:45 AM Jymmm: MacGalempsy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2B3slX6-_20
12:46 AM AndChat|234416: nice
12:48 AM AndChat-234416 is now known as MacGalempsy
12:48 AM MacGalempsy: no youtube w the rig internet
12:49 AM MacGalempsy: so in and out
12:49 AM MacGalempsy: Jymmm what do you think about the fanuc 430 robot arm?
12:54 AM MacGalempsy: http://www.thebranfordgroup.com/dnn3/Employees/OnlineAuctionAdmin/CreativeThings,Inc/tabid/1627/Default.aspx
12:54 AM MacGalempsy: item 25
12:57 AM MacGalempsy: i wonder what it would take to retrofit it to run gcode
01:08 AM Cromaglious_: nontrivial Kinematics math wise isn't hard. it's the configuring linuxcnc to translate the cartesian to polar
01:09 AM MacGalempsy: i was wondering about not messing with its factory abilities and just overriding current controls w lcnc
01:10 AM MacGalempsy: if it goes for under $1k, i'll probably try to pick it up
01:10 AM Cromaglious_: getting an arm with a shoulder and an elbow to put a wrist joint pivot at a certain X,Y,Z is pretty easy, it's 2 right angles and a rotary.
01:11 AM Cromaglious_: getting an arm with a shoulder and an elbow to put a wrist joint pivot at a certain X,Y,Z is pretty easy, it's 2 right triangles and a rotary.
01:13 AM MacGalempsy: there are already kinimatic components in lcnc. its the 6dof CAM that will be $$$
01:14 AM MacGalempsy: invert and put on a x/y overhead track would be sweet
01:14 AM Cromaglious_: I know they are there, I'm just trying to figure out how to configure them. Simple rotary and a linear actuator on top. pivot at X0 Y0 and linear actuator give r
01:18 AM Cromaglious_: I'm wondering if there is a way to use an encordered stepper as an input. turn off the stepper coils, you move the arm to where you want, hit a button, go to the next spot hit a button, do that for your 4 corners, then hit start, the steppers go active and cut your plots points
01:20 AM CaptHindsight: MacGalempsy: thats a pretty good sized robot, the motors are easy to get to
01:20 AM CaptHindsight: some use fiber on the encoders so that can be a possible challenge
01:21 AM Cromaglious_: go to the center of a bolt circle, click B, go to a bolt hole center, hit c5s.5and hit go and it cuts you a 5 hole bolt circle with 1/2" holes
01:22 AM CaptHindsight: MacGalempsy: I don't use fanuc so I'm not sure about that model
01:27 AM MacGalempsy: the preview is next monday, so if they finish this well and I get to go home, a glance thru the manual will be a must
01:28 AM MacGalempsy: the only real issue is transporting it.
01:28 AM CaptHindsight: MacGalempsy: what would be your application for the robot?
01:28 AM MacGalempsy: no idea yet! lol
01:28 AM MacGalempsy: just if i can get it cheap enough like the edm
01:29 AM CaptHindsight: it's not very accurate but it handles 262lbs
01:29 AM CaptHindsight: sorry 363
01:29 AM MacGalempsy: looks like they are popular for spot welding
01:30 AM MacGalempsy: the other aspect would be flupping it for a quick prodfit
01:30 AM MacGalempsy: flipping
02:00 AM Deejay: moin
04:13 AM MacGalempsy: morning Deejay
04:49 AM XXCoder: boom
05:14 AM jthornton: morning
05:15 AM SpeedEvil: Morning.
05:18 AM XXCoder: hey the jt
05:18 AM XXCoder: https://www.sciplus.com/ jthornton interesting site, know about it for long time but havent browsed for years
05:24 AM jthornton: home howitzer owner on this lightly used 1950s artillery scope
05:24 AM XXCoder: ?
05:25 AM jthornton: https://www.sciplus.com/p/1950s--ARTILLERY-SCOPE_59222
05:25 AM XXCoder: geez
05:25 AM XXCoder: I see that site STILL have that dang clicky magnet thingy toy
05:26 AM XXCoder: its well over a decade
05:26 AM jthornton: https://www.sciplus.com/p/BACKYARD-BALLISTICS_41041
05:27 AM XXCoder: you should check out bulk section
05:27 AM XXCoder: insane stuff there
05:27 AM XXCoder: like 300 limit switches for 30 bucks
05:31 AM XXCoder: is 10 diamond files good deal at 16 bucks?
05:32 AM XXCoder: tiny manual drill
05:35 AM XXCoder: yup still has dentary stuff
05:50 AM XXCoder: HMM considering this one https://www.sciplus.com/p/WASH-BOTTLE_41908
05:50 AM XXCoder: jthornton: what ya think on price
05:54 AM jthornton: I have some similar to that but paid about $15 each iirc
05:55 AM XXCoder: not too bad then
05:55 AM XXCoder: I love those for some uses
06:02 AM XXCoder: scrap cow leathers
06:03 AM XXCoder: 2 lb for 7.5 bucks
06:03 AM XXCoder: not bad deal if want to make either patchy stuff or small leather parts
06:07 AM jthornton: like key chain name tags maybe
06:07 AM XXCoder: yeah or old style leather hinges
06:09 AM XXCoder: heh hacker heaven in motors section
06:19 AM XXCoder: hmm didnt someone here want laser mirrors?
06:19 AM XXCoder: https://www.sciplus.com/p/MIRROR-FIRST-SURFACE15MM-X-15MM-X-1MM-THKVERY-SMALL_248
06:20 AM XXCoder: is those suitable? its first surface
06:21 AM jthornton: dunno
06:22 AM XXCoder: lol https://www.sciplus.com/p/BRASS-3-POSITION-STARTER-SWITCH_55261
06:22 AM XXCoder: decent idea for cnc machine safety
06:22 AM XXCoder: cant turn on without key
06:28 AM XXCoder: old style https://www.sciplus.com/p/SPDT-TOGGLE-SWITCH-4A-C_45000
06:29 AM XXCoder: got electrics question
06:29 AM XXCoder: spindle psu is 48v 10a
06:29 AM XXCoder: that switch is rated 20a
06:30 AM XXCoder: means I can use it to turn on and off spindle psu?
06:30 AM XXCoder: not for actual use, just using it as example since its not safe, can acciently switch while its running
06:30 AM XXCoder: ah I see it now
06:30 AM XXCoder: 125v 20a
06:31 AM XXCoder: plenty of power allowed
06:34 AM jthornton: your switching the 120vac side?
06:34 AM XXCoder: ah yea thats correct
06:36 AM jthornton: yea the 20amp at 120v is 2400 watts and your output is only 480 watts plus some loss you might have 500-600 watts on the ac side
06:37 AM XXCoder: 10a actually
06:37 AM Tom_L: moin
06:37 AM XXCoder: wait hmm dunnp
06:37 AM XXCoder: psu output is 48v 10a
06:37 AM Tom_L: 31°
06:37 AM Tom_L: the wind changed direction.
06:37 AM jthornton: 48 and raining here
06:38 AM Tom_L: smoky here
06:38 AM XXCoder: 38f and rain/snow (snow instantly melts
06:38 AM XXCoder: it actually snowed here in day, though it was instant melt
06:38 AM XXCoder: march snow is very rare
07:40 AM JT-Shop: dang at work already...
07:51 AM JT-Shop: I thought I trashed a part last night so I made a new one only to end up the exact same... forgot to size the width from 2" to 1.75"
07:54 AM archivist: cnc, the ability to consistently make things wrong :)
07:54 AM XXCoder: yep very precise wrong parts
07:54 AM XXCoder: once had a large batch of parts honed wrong by guy, all parts holes was precisely .0002" over
09:09 AM JT-Shop: finally a part that might take more than 2 minutes to mill lol
09:21 AM CaptHindsight: JT-Shop: I'll trade you for some of mine
09:46 AM BipolarBear is now known as insomnia
09:55 AM JT-Shop: only if your parts finish my machine faster lol
10:29 AM Tom_L: everybody hard at work?
10:31 AM roycroft: it's 8:01 here, so i'm just getting started
10:43 AM Jymmm: out of disk space my ass!
10:44 AM archivist: what is this work you speak of
10:44 AM Jymmm: archivist: profanity
01:47 PM Cromaglious_: just got up at 11:16am
01:53 PM skunkworks_: https://youtu.be/u9QqVx3_RgA
01:55 PM _methods: nice
01:55 PM _methods: that's not a normal linuxcnc capability is it?
01:58 PM Loetmichel: *MUHAHAH* my wife has to go to the US next week. She just booked the plane tickets: "ITs 520 eur from Frankfurt am Main (germany) to Munich (germany) and back. And 485 eur from frankfurt to Philadelphia and back... That flight was about triple that a year back. Seems noone wants to fly to 'Trump-land' any more!"
02:00 PM * roycroft is starting to want to leave trumpland
02:39 PM JT-Shop: just got an email from someone trying to get a 7i92 going and they seem frustrated... mentioned that pncconf is going by the wayside in future versions of LinuxCNC... news to me
02:43 PM skunkworks_: ?
02:43 PM skunkworks_: weird
02:45 PM JT-Shop: yea, I don't think he follows instruction very well
02:46 PM JT-Shop: http://www.mesaus.com/info/7i92.txt
02:46 PM JT-Shop: does that read correctly?
02:48 PM _methods: try more crayon
02:49 PM Jymmm: Kinda sad that a switched outlet strip is cheaper than just a switch... https://www.amazon.com/BindMaster-Grounded-Single-Adapter-Indicator/dp/B01M7V6U2Q/
03:42 PM Cromaglious_: finally installing debian 8.7 amd64 onto the linuxcnc machine
03:53 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, that's as confusing as hell for someone that won't read
03:54 PM JT-Shop: lol
03:55 PM Tom_L: do you load bitfiles on that the same as the others?
03:55 PM Tom_L: oh wait.. it's at the bottom
03:56 PM Tom_L: it flashes over ethernet?
03:56 PM JT-Shop: lol turns out he just can't muddle through and get his charge pump to work
03:56 PM JT-Shop: yea
03:56 PM JT-Shop: pretty cool
03:58 PM Tom_L: i should update my bitfile page to include those
03:58 PM Tom_L: don't have time to atm though
03:59 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/emc/xilinx/xilinx14_install_index.php
03:59 PM Tom_L: shouldn't be many changes really, just the upload procedure
04:13 PM pcw_mesa: JT-Shop: is that the guy on the forum with the G540?
04:14 PM JT-Shop: he has a G540 yes
04:15 PM JT-Shop: what section is the post in?
04:17 PM JT-Shop: yea tuffduck33 is the guy
04:18 PM pcw_mesa: PnCConf Wizard
04:18 PM JT-Shop: yep
04:20 PM pcw_mesa: I should have more sample configs for people that wont learn HAL, sigh...
04:21 PM pcw_mesa: unfortunately with the move and a custom job I'm pretty tied up ATM
04:25 PM pcw_mesa: I do think if i had a bit more time, some hal file factoring would make the sample configs a lot more portable
04:25 PM pcw_mesa: but it would probably require the ability for hal files to include other hal file fragments
04:25 PM pcw_mesa: (to segregate the hardware specific pin/parameter names to their own file)
04:27 PM JT-Shop: yea, you have mentioned that before and it makes sense. I think Dewey does that on some the sims
04:30 PM JT-Shop: so you have started the big move?
04:37 PM JT-Shop: yea finally finishing some parts on the VMC
04:40 PM Cromaglious_: darn laptop.. keeps over heating...
04:42 PM JT-Shop: put it in a bucket of ice water
04:43 PM Jymmm: LN2 FTW
04:43 PM Jymmm: will NEVER EVER overheat again =)
04:45 PM Jymmm: Geeze, hashing takes forever!
04:46 PM roycroft: folks, what's the reasonable maximum diameter work i can hold in a 6" 4-jaw chuck? i know that may vary slightly from chuck to chuck
04:46 PM roycroft: and the part is solid, so it would be with outside jaws
04:47 PM roycroft: i'm thinking probably just a wee bit over 6"
04:48 PM * robin_sz raises an eye
04:49 PM robin_sz: is that an American 6" or an English 6"?
04:49 PM roycroft: american customary :)
04:50 PM roycroft: i don't know if the jaws will hold safely if reversed so they extend beyond the chuck body
04:50 PM robin_sz: because Americans measure lathes differently to the rest of us
04:50 PM roycroft: i probably need an 8" chuck to hold work that's 6-1/2" in diameter
04:51 PM robin_sz: well, first, you have to have a set of reverse jaws, you can't just reverse the normal ones
04:52 PM robin_sz: what we call a 6" lathem americans call a 12" lath, just to confuse matters
04:52 PM roycroft: oh, ok
04:52 PM roycroft: 6" diameter chuck
04:52 PM robin_sz: yeah
04:52 PM roycroft: i'm not talking about swing
04:52 PM roycroft: i'm talking about chuck size
04:53 PM robin_sz: you can probably get the jaws outside by around 1.3rd of the jaw lenght in a pinch
04:53 PM roycroft: a jaw for a 6" diameter chuck is probably just under 3" long
04:53 PM robin_sz: so you *could* probably just about get a 6.5" piece in a 6" chuck
04:53 PM roycroft: so it would probably work
04:53 PM robin_sz: probably
04:53 PM roycroft: but it might not be comfortable
04:54 PM roycroft: and for production, right out
04:54 PM roycroft: but maybe possibly ok for a one-off job
04:54 PM robin_sz: an 8" is better for sure
04:54 PM robin_sz: and a 3 jaw for round stuff
04:54 PM roycroft: the size lathe i want would normally come with a 6" 3 jaw and 8" 4 jaw
04:55 PM roycroft: i would be turning round stock
04:55 PM roycroft: but i would use the 4 jaw because of the greater capacity
04:55 PM robin_sz: mine came with some 8" 3 jaws, a 12" 4 jaw and an 18" faceplate :)
04:55 PM roycroft: i guarantee my new lathe is not going to be that big
04:55 PM robin_sz: 6.5" steel stock?
04:55 PM roycroft: even if a great deal fell in my lap, i just don't have the space for a lathe that big
04:55 PM roycroft: ss
04:56 PM roycroft: i know i need it to turn slowly
04:56 PM robin_sz: you'll need a fair bit of power ...
04:56 PM roycroft: ~100rpm
04:56 PM roycroft: yes, and light cuts
04:56 PM roycroft: another reason to use a larger lathe
04:56 PM robin_sz: I'd go for somewhat faster and light cuts, yes
04:56 PM Cromaglious_: ok took the laptop out and blew it out with the air hose... running alot quiter and quite a bit of fluff came flying out of the laptop
04:56 PM robin_sz: standard
04:57 PM robin_sz: so .. anyway
04:57 PM robin_sz: EMC
04:57 PM robin_sz: after you chnage a tool
04:57 PM roycroft: ss work hardens so easily it would be a delicate balancing act to get feeds and speeds just right so that i can still cut the material smoothly yet not harden it
04:57 PM robin_sz: it asks you to hit "Enter" to continue right
04:57 PM roycroft: it can
04:57 PM roycroft: it will do whatever you tell it to do :)
04:57 PM robin_sz: is there a way to do that from the pendant?
04:58 PM robin_sz: im getting bored of walking back around to the screen
04:58 PM roycroft: sure - put an "enter" button on the pendant and tell linuxcnc it's there
04:58 PM robin_sz: Ive got that standard wireless pendant thing that everyone uses
04:58 PM Deejay: gn8
04:59 PM Cromaglious_: nite Deejay
05:00 PM robin_sz: XHC-HB04
05:00 PM robin_sz: that one
05:01 PM robin_sz: http://s474.photobucket.com/user/mrawlinc/media/WHB04-L__zpsce917298.jpg.html
05:02 PM robin_sz: I wish it always worked :( ... if you are on the MDI screen, it is ignored for some reason
05:03 PM robin_sz: anyway .. it should be possible to make say, the Macro1 button work as an "enter" button?
05:18 PM JT-Shop: what does the mode button do
05:47 PM MacGalempsy: Good afternoon
05:47 PM JT-Shop: howdy
05:47 PM BeachBumPete: afternoon
05:48 PM JT-Shop: finally got that cat bypass welded up after all this time ignoring it
05:48 PM JT-Shop: came out ok, not Pete quality but good enought
05:50 PM roycroft: i'm finally done with this round of cisco hell
05:50 PM roycroft: and only 20 minutes after i was supposed to get off work
05:50 PM Cromaglious_: fargen heck... GMOCCAPY is erroring... no element 'onboard'
05:51 PM * roycroft thinks he'll go do something not computery/networky for a while
05:51 PM Cromaglious_: heh.. I need to put up insulation in our master bath
05:52 PM Cromaglious_: ISO is evil!!!! as I kick my old 2501 router
05:53 PM * JT-Shop needs to swap out the jacuzzi tub for a walk in shower
05:54 PM Cromaglious_: wifey is gunna be pissed when the $200 of concrete board is found out to be not needed
05:54 PM Jymmm: Cromaglious_: I'll give ya $20 for it, delivered.
05:55 PM Cromaglious_: I'm still gonna use it... just going to leave an edge gap for the Fiberglass to mount to the studs
05:55 PM Cromaglious_: it'll make it quiter in there..
05:55 PM Cromaglious_: quieter
05:57 PM Cromaglious_: grrr.... new debian and linuxcnc install... linuxcnc 2.8.0.something linux image 3.16.0 rtai amd64
05:58 PM MacGalempsy: JT-Shop moving the jacuzzi out for good or relocating it?
05:58 PM Cromaglious_: stepconf has check box for using gmoccapy and I use it and gmoccapy fargen ERRORS#$#*&$*(#&^$*#%&$^
05:59 PM MacGalempsy: sounds like time for some good old fashion manual configuration
05:59 PM CaptHindsight: did anyone ever notice a nozzle+heater/extruder for FDM printing that easily handles 350C?
05:59 PM Cromaglious_: gmoccapy was the MAIN reason for the downgrade
05:59 PM Roguish: stepconf is only a beginning.....
06:00 PM MacGalempsy: downgrade?
06:00 PM Cromaglious_: now it's NOT working
06:00 PM Cromaglious_: before I start it was working
06:00 PM Jymmm: Cromaglious_: reboot?
06:00 PM Cromaglious_: 3 times later.... still same error
06:00 PM Jymmm: Cromaglious_: restore previous settings from backup?
06:01 PM Cromaglious_: then I have no gmoccapy screen....
06:01 PM MacGalempsy: hey zeeshan
06:01 PM JT-Shop: it's a standard size tub so it's heading for the dump
06:01 PM JT-Shop: we have a hot tub in the Florida room
06:02 PM MacGalempsy: nice.
06:02 PM Cromaglious_: what's in the Lincoln bedroom though?
06:02 PM MacGalempsy: zeeshan saw the pic of your bear poker, looking good. what are all the pockets for?
06:02 PM Cromaglious_: what the heck is a florida room??? Sun Porch?
06:03 PM JT-Shop: dunno that's what the MIL called it, she was from PR
06:03 PM JT-Shop: I call it the screened in porch lol
06:04 PM MacGalempsy: :)
06:04 PM Cromaglious_: We put a Alumawood Patio cover over the back.. no sides
06:04 PM CaptHindsight: aka a sun parlor, sun porch, patio room,
06:05 PM Cromaglious_: right now at night it's like an icecube out there
06:05 PM zeeshan: hi MacGalempsy
06:05 PM MacGalempsy: hola
06:05 PM zeeshan: MacGalempsy: they act like a hone
06:05 PM zeeshan: or a file
06:05 PM zeeshan: in the woods
06:05 PM CaptHindsight: Florida room should also include humidly and biting bugs on the inside
06:05 PM zeeshan: plus i like the look!
06:06 PM MacGalempsy: yeah. it looks sweet
06:06 PM * Cromaglious_ wanders off looking for a corded usb optical mouse
06:06 PM CaptHindsight: Cromaglious_: pick me up a few when you find them
06:08 PM BeachBumPete: funny humidity seemed worse in tennessee and we had LESS biting bugs so far here than we did in Tn LOL
06:09 PM BeachBumPete: its actually a bit chilly here tonight ;)
06:09 PM Cromaglious_: I can find ps2 corded optical mice in the garage... looking for the unused uberrare usb corded optical mouse
06:09 PM CaptHindsight: BeachBumPete: you found a nice spot
06:09 PM BeachBumPete: well we lived here 16 years ago so were pretty familiar with it hehe
06:10 PM Cromaglious_: no snow yet this year...
06:10 PM Cromaglious_: bunch of rain though...
06:11 PM CaptHindsight: BeachBumPete: how long is the drive to Fort Lauderdale from you?
06:11 PM BeachBumPete: meh not far maybe an hour and a quarter or so?
06:12 PM BeachBumPete: we were just down there dropping my son at the airport a couple weeks ago
06:12 PM skunkworks: BeachBumPete, get your orient working yet? ;)
06:12 PM BeachBumPete: why hell no :(
06:12 PM skunkworks: are you guys settled in?
06:13 PM BeachBumPete: Oh yeah man we are VERY comfy
06:13 PM skunkworks: Great!
06:13 PM BeachBumPete: just spent a bunch of time pressure washing my driveway and porch this weekend. It is looking pretty nice got the yard trimmed and all of my palm trees trimmed too
06:14 PM BeachBumPete: just don't have any idea where to start with the orient LOL
06:14 PM Cromaglious_: heh... I just ripped out another 5 palm trees... damn weeds!
06:14 PM skunkworks: palm trees... We just got back from mexico.. Still going through withdrawal..
06:14 PM BeachBumPete: man I LOVE Palm trees
06:14 PM skunkworks: BTW a 2yo and 4yo traveled very well
06:15 PM BeachBumPete: I love when it is breezy watching them sway and blow around the palms its soothing to me
06:15 PM BeachBumPete: we have live five or six in our front yard LOL
06:16 PM Cromaglious_: I have a fence that catches palm seeds from a neightbors tree... in the last 5 years I have probably ripped out over 200 palms anywhere from 6" tall to 12' tall in the one corner of the yard
06:16 PM BeachBumPete: I have a medium sized oak tree on the side that I am considering dropping to add some driveway extensions and replace it with ANOTHER palm tree slightly different spot
06:16 PM Cromaglious_: they are weeds I tell you!
06:16 PM BeachBumPete: sounds like palmetto bushes not palm trees
06:17 PM Cromaglious_: I'd love to have an oak in my front yard
06:17 PM BeachBumPete: I love the damn oak tree but it drops shit on our cars and its a bitch to clean up
06:17 PM Cromaglious_: BeachBumPete, nope palm tree... fracker is 45' tall
06:17 PM skunkworks: http://electronicsam.com/images/matsuura/20170222_130325.jpg
06:18 PM BeachBumPete: skunkworks NICE man traveling is fun when its for a vacation
06:18 PM skunkworks: yes
06:18 PM Cromaglious_: love flying delta! when I can afford it... which is not oftern
06:19 PM BeachBumPete: palm trees are actually kinda expensive to buy
06:19 PM skunkworks: been a long time since we went to mexico.. BC
06:19 PM skunkworks: (before children)
06:19 PM BeachBumPete: where in Mexi did you go?
06:19 PM skunkworks: south of Cozumel..
06:19 PM BeachBumPete: Oh cool
06:19 PM BeachBumPete: I have been all over mexico
06:19 PM Cromaglious_: I just send mexican friends to go buy stuff for me, the next time they are TJ
06:20 PM Jymmm: Cromaglious_: EAT THE WORM
06:20 PM BeachBumPete: Cozumel, Cancun, Guadalajara, Tasco, Mexico City, Acapulco, Tijuana, etc etc
06:20 PM skunkworks: nice
06:20 PM skunkworks: and I meant south of cancun... Right across from cozumel
06:20 PM BeachBumPete: Cozumel was fun. Nice Diving too
06:21 PM Cromaglious_: Jymm many times!
06:21 PM BeachBumPete: Did you visit carlos and Charlies? ;)
06:21 PM skunkworks: ummm.. no..
06:21 PM Cromaglious_: though I only drink on Halloween night.
06:22 PM BeachBumPete: We had a lot of fun there when I was in the Coast Guard. Kinda Crazy but fun.
06:22 PM Cromaglious_: Which is the new year for certain religions
06:22 PM Jymmm: Cromaglious_: As in... YOU BELIEVE you'll have another?
06:24 PM Cromaglious_: probably... if someone buys it, I'll upend the bottle, let the worm settle to my mouth, take a tiny sip and win the bet...
06:25 PM Cromaglious_: I ALWAYS have a taker for that bet... I can get the worm in one drink
06:25 PM BeachBumPete: My wife is making some kinda Chicken honey teriyaki concoction and I must admit it is smelling pretty damn good :)
06:25 PM Cromaglious_: anything teriyaki is good...
06:26 PM BeachBumPete: typically... I will let ya know if that remains
06:26 PM Jymmm: I've been liking the asian ginger sauce, good on about anything
06:27 PM BeachBumPete: this has ginger in it too apparently
06:27 PM BeachBumPete: smells SPICY!!
06:27 PM Jymmm: more savory than teriyaki
06:27 PM Cromaglious_: running MUCH cooler now... 68C and HD is 43C
06:28 PM Jymmm: think you might blow it out again
07:00 PM MacGalempsy: zeeshan: when you find some nice stones, you can begin to encrust the blade
07:01 PM MacGalempsy: Cozumel is sweet for diving. Pete you dive w/ Papa Hog's?
07:03 PM skunkworks: Hmm - why I should run mach4.. crashes 'less' than mach3
07:05 PM malcom2073: skunkworks: And you get to pay extra for that privilege
07:05 PM skunkworks: pay for the privilege of debugging...
07:06 PM malcom2073: I'm in the wrong line of work, I need to start selling all the software I'm giving away for free
07:07 PM BeachBumPete: no we just dove near the ships mooring and went down to a submerged plane from around ww2 LO
07:09 PM MacGalempsy: nice. the water there is pretty clear.
07:10 PM MacGalempsy: malcom2073 nice guys finish poor
07:10 PM malcom2073: Ah well, it's fun :)
07:16 PM BeachBumPete: it sure is
07:46 PM Cromaglious_: Ouch BarZ summerbash invoice is for $60 this year
07:51 PM robin_sz: roycroft, you had just started explaining how to assign the buttons on the XHC pendant
07:52 PM robin_sz: but I possibly missed the rest of it ... so to assign the Macro1 button as "enter" to get the thing to run after a toolchange?
08:21 PM robin_sz: https://res.cloudinary.com/bidlogix/image/upload/q_70,c_fill/v1470661487/bdx/1_tora38.jpg
08:30 PM jdh: nice tool changer
08:31 PM malcom2073: Nice V12 engine block
08:31 PM jdh: heh, I quit counting
08:31 PM malcom2073: Took me three times
08:31 PM malcom2073: and zoom
08:31 PM malcom2073: :-P
08:32 PM jdh: and a lot of travel
08:33 PM R2E4_bevins: dd linuxcnc iso to a usb, does the usb need to be fat or fat32?
08:34 PM pcw_home: dd is a (near) physical copy so it doesn't matter what the USB drive _was_
08:34 PM roycroft: what pcw_home said
08:34 PM roycroft: dd just scribbles blocks to the device
08:34 PM R2E4_bevins: I thought it was raw but I am getting messsage cant find a valid FAT filesystem in dmesg
08:36 PM roycroft: dd if=file.iso of=/dev/rdiskxx bs=2M
08:36 PM roycroft: you did something like that?
08:36 PM R2E4_bevins: dd if=linuxcnc-2.7-wheezy.iso of=/dev/sdb
08:36 PM roycroft: where you used an operating system-specific method of determing the raw device of your usb disk
08:36 PM roycroft: /dev/sdb is usually a block special device
08:37 PM R2E4_bevins: I got it from linux
08:37 PM roycroft: /dev/rsdb would be more likely the candidate
08:37 PM roycroft: you want a raw device, not a block device
08:38 PM R2E4_bevins: it doesnt see it I can see the sdb
08:38 PM R2E4_bevins: ok let me try it then
08:39 PM roycroft: # ls -l /dev/rdisk19
08:39 PM roycroft: crw------- 1 root root 14, 61 Feb 28 10:48 /dev/rdisk19
08:39 PM roycroft: bash-3.2# ls -l /dev/disk19
08:39 PM roycroft: brw------- 1 root root 14, 61 Feb 28 10:48 /dev/disk19
08:39 PM roycroft: note that rdisk19 is a character special device (what you want)
08:39 PM roycroft: disk19 is a block special device (which you don't want)
08:40 PM R2E4_bevins: the Lcnc docs said to dd if=linuxcnc-2.7-wheezy.iso of=/dev/sdb
08:40 PM roycroft: i don't care what the linuxcnc docs say
08:40 PM roycroft: they don't know what operating system you're using
08:40 PM roycroft: or what the usb stick is
08:41 PM R2E4_bevins: actually it says in linux and it used sde, mine is sdb
08:41 PM roycroft: plug a usb thumb drive in and it could be anything
08:41 PM roycroft: which is why i said to use an os-specific means to determine what you want to write to
08:42 PM roycroft: and use the raw (character special) device
08:42 PM roycroft: note that linux is a kernel
08:42 PM roycroft: device handling is not necessarily the same from distro to distro
08:42 PM roycroft: device naming is not part of the kernel
08:43 PM roycroft: so centos can be different than debian which can be different than suse, etc.
08:43 PM R2E4_bevins: the dd command is the same on any dist.... no?
08:43 PM roycroft: dd is dd
08:43 PM roycroft: sure
08:43 PM jdh: I have never dd'ed to a char device
08:44 PM roycroft: i don't think i've ever not dd'ed to a character special dedevice
08:44 PM roycroft: and i've been using dd for over 40 years
08:44 PM roycroft: i should say, i don't think i've never dd'ed to a character special device vs. a block special device
08:44 PM jdh: wow, you're old!
08:44 PM roycroft: i've used dd for a lot of things
08:45 PM roycroft: it's useful for translating ebcdic to ascii, for example
08:45 PM jdh: I have never dd'ed to a char device for copying a filesystem to a disk
08:45 PM roycroft: or for doing byte swapping when moving data from big-endian to little-endian machines, and vice versa
08:45 PM jdh: none of which are relevant here
08:46 PM roycroft: no, i was just correcting my original statement, which i realised immediately was inaccurate
08:46 PM roycroft: but none of this is actually relevant
08:46 PM roycroft: what is important is that the device name for the usb stick needs to be determined
08:47 PM roycroft: and i'd guess that it is likely not /dev/sdb
08:47 PM jdh: why
08:47 PM roycroft: because that's not a device name on a lot of machines
08:47 PM jdh: it is on his
08:47 PM roycroft: is it?
08:48 PM roycroft: he did not say he determined that it was the name of his usb stick
08:48 PM roycroft: he said it is what the linuxcnc docs said to use
08:48 PM roycroft: and the linuxcnc docs cannot possibly know that
08:48 PM roycroft: if there are two disks in the machine, sdb would more likely be the second disk than a thumb drive
08:49 PM roycroft: if sdb even exists
08:50 PM R2E4_bevins: Why would I try to write to just an arbitrary device?
08:51 PM R2E4_bevins: 1591479.669841] sd 39:0:0:0: [sdb] Write Protect is off
08:51 PM R2E4_bevins: [1591479.669846] sd 39:0:0:0: [sdb] Mode Sense: 45 00 00 00
08:51 PM R2E4_bevins: [1591479.670341] sd 39:0:0:0: [sdb] Write cache: disabled, read cache: enabled
08:51 PM roycroft: i don't know, but you said that the linuxcnc docs told you to use that command
08:51 PM R2E4_bevins: yes but I also said I changed the device
08:51 PM roycroft: and i don't know what your experience is with linux
08:51 PM roycroft: i did not see that
08:51 PM R2E4_bevins: to the one thats on my machine
08:52 PM roycroft: but now that you repeated it, i'll trust that you know how to determine what device you're working with :)
08:53 PM roycroft: wait
08:53 PM roycroft: you scribbled the iso fine?
08:53 PM roycroft: and when you try to boot it on a machine on which you want to install it you get that error?
08:53 PM R2E4_bevins: thats in dmesg
08:54 PM R2E4_bevins: it didnt work
08:54 PM roycroft: what did not work?
08:54 PM roycroft: the copy or booting off of it?
08:55 PM R2E4_bevins: the dd command
08:55 PM * roycroft is very confused now
08:55 PM R2E4_bevins: and it bricked the key
08:55 PM roycroft: dd should just fail, and tell you it failed, if it cannot write to a device
08:55 PM roycroft: i don't know how it would get into the system message buffer at all
08:55 PM roycroft: dd is a userland utility
08:57 PM R2E4_bevins: look...... I tried to write the iso to the usb key, it hung, the dmesg is when I was looking for which usb to write to
08:58 PM roycroft: that just seems very odd to me
08:58 PM roycroft: but maybe that's some odd linux behavior
08:58 PM roycroft: most of my experience is with unix/bsd
08:58 PM roycroft: i'm fairly new to linux
08:59 PM jdh: heh
09:02 PM R2E4_bevins: So why did you tell me that It wasnt /dev/sdb?
09:02 PM jdh: move on.
09:02 PM R2E4_bevins: yeah ok....
09:04 PM jdh: for lack of any real advice, I'd wipe the dmesg buffer and try it again
09:04 PM jdh: for a clean/clear starting point with the log
09:07 PM malcom2073: Typically when DDing an image, you do want /dev/sdb (If that is your USB device, which you can verify by looking at dmesg as you did)
09:07 PM R2E4_bevins: cleared the ring, Ill try it again
09:07 PM malcom2073: Be aware, that dding a USB stick may take quite a long time with no feedback, and be sure to "sync" after dding, before unplugging
09:09 PM roycroft: especially if one does not specify a fairly large blocksize, dd can take quite a long time
09:10 PM roycroft: dd if=foo of=bar bs=2M might take a minute
09:10 PM roycroft: dd if=foo of=bar might take a half hour or more
09:10 PM roycroft: as an example
09:11 PM R2E4_bevins: Ill use fsync so I dont flush everything
09:11 PM malcom2073: +1 to that, the default (of 512bytes) is terribly small
09:15 PM roycroft: if you tried to scribble on the usb stick and it did not complete (or even if it did), and you tried plugging that stick back in, your machine would try to auto-mount it
09:15 PM roycroft: and that is where you would get the dmesg error about a non-fat fs on the stick
09:15 PM roycroft: which is not really an error
09:15 PM roycroft: it's just reporting accurately what it sees, which is what is expected
09:16 PM roycroft: a linuxcnc .iso is not a fat filesystem image
09:20 PM R2E4_bevins: so much for the 2 minutes.
09:20 PM R2E4_bevins: I'll try something else
09:21 PM R2E4_bevins: oh it worked. 5 minutes
09:21 PM jdh: cool
09:22 PM jdh: did it automount and find the FAT?
09:28 PM R2E4_bevins: nope
09:52 PM R2E4_bevins: its ok bnow
10:30 PM Cromaglious_: ok trying to find a kernel and linuxcnc which will run on debian 8.7 and amd64
10:32 PM cncnoob2: does anyone know if there is a keyboard shortcut for scrolling through the code window in axis?
10:32 PM Cromaglious_: I havent found it
10:32 PM cncnoob2: I want to key down line by line so I can see which line is causing a certain path to exist in the image
10:34 PM roycroft: i have linuxcnc running on debian jessie amd64
10:36 PM roycroft: you need to build a preempt-rt kernel yourself
10:40 PM Cromaglious_: ok... patches from penguintopia?
10:41 PM roycroft: wget https://cdn.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v4.x/linux-4.1.15.tar.xz
10:41 PM roycroft: wget https://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/projects/rt/4.1/older/patch-4.1.15-rt17.patch.gz
10:42 PM roycroft: from my changelog for the machine
10:43 PM roycroft: and i'm far from the only one who has done this
10:43 PM roycroft: jt pointed me to some links on the procedure
11:48 PM Cromaglious_: hmmm wonder if 4.9.13-rtXX would work...
11:56 PM Cromaglious_: oops down loaded 4.9.12 kernel