Mar 02 2017
12:46 AM MacGalempsy: xxcoder: still at work?
01:37 AM CaptHindsight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64XESsTfv_4 a practical application for nozzle and resin 3d printing
01:44 AM MacGalempsy: cool. did you guys make that machine?
01:48 AM SpeedEvil: lol
01:48 AM CaptHindsight: nah, that is some off the shelf gantry robot
01:50 AM SpeedEvil: For when you want your shoes to look like they were made by a 5-year-old with a sealant gun.
01:51 AM CaptHindsight: you could sell make your own trainers kits
01:51 AM CaptHindsight: caulk gun and pattern
02:09 AM archivist: no need to provide a pattern tell user to use own foot
02:18 AM CaptHindsight: if you are making it for yourself
02:26 AM MacGalempsy: lol. the foam injection looked most time consuming
02:26 AM MacGalempsy: generic soles
02:27 AM MacGalempsy: there is a generic 6dof arm with program controller at a local auction. considering eyeing the bid
02:32 AM CaptHindsight: http://www.hartlandtool.com/products/standard-fluted-end-mills.php anyone try these or similar?
03:16 AM MacGalempsy: hey wolf-
03:17 AM MacGalempsy: Wolf_ :)
03:17 AM Wolf_: yo
03:17 AM MacGalempsy: whats going on man?
03:17 AM Wolf_: I really should be sleeping, but i’m looking at laser cutters on ebay… wish I knew more about these things
03:18 AM MacGalempsy: heh. the chinese bluebox?
03:18 AM Wolf_: bigger
03:19 AM MacGalempsy: what are you planning on making w it?
03:19 AM Wolf_: what ever I want? :)
03:19 AM MacGalempsy: ahh. sounds creative
03:19 AM Wolf_: looking in the $2500 range, looks like 80w
03:19 AM MacGalempsy: been looking at galvo heads and lasers
03:19 AM SpeedEvil: Metal cutting is often fairly limited
03:20 AM Wolf_: wasn’t even planning on trying to cut metal with it
03:21 AM MacGalempsy: 80w seems pretty powerful
03:21 AM Wolf_: well, 80 china watts so probably really 50 lol
03:21 AM MacGalempsy: etching tombstones?
03:21 AM MacGalempsy: good point
03:24 AM Wolf_: main reason for buying is doing etching work for my mom’s business, which I could get away with one of the $400 blue boxes, but I want something that can actually cut usable thickness plywood and has usable cut area
03:31 AM MacGalempsy: no chance of starting w the bluebox the upgrading after profitting?
03:32 AM Wolf_: maybe, looks like I need to spend some time on the laser cutting forums first
03:33 AM gonzo_: we used to have one at work, for etching senial numbers in perspex cases. It had a bloody big >1kw RF exiter. And probably only a few watts of laser output. How things have changed!
03:34 AM Wolf_: yeah, I never thought I would be sitting here looking on ebay for a turnkey co2 laser to order lol
03:36 AM MacGalempsy: lol. oh youll want to do a mesa upgrade or something like that right off the bat
03:36 AM MacGalempsy: no one in here is ever ok with opening the box and just using it
03:36 AM Wolf_: yeah, part of the reason I need to do some reading, I want to at least get something that converts easy
03:37 AM MacGalempsy: this local guy got the shark kit
03:37 AM Wolf_: be it smoothy or lcnc conversion
03:37 AM MacGalempsy: yeah. smoothie is probably cheaper
03:38 AM MacGalempsy: mesa 7i76e
03:38 AM Wolf_: I know what I won’t be buying http://www.ebay.com/itm/262085216168 lol
03:39 AM MacGalempsy: lol. might just make a few to sell at that price!
03:39 AM SpeedEvil: That's not bad for $59
03:39 AM SpeedEvil: oh
03:39 AM SpeedEvil: nvm
03:39 AM Wolf_: yeah really
03:40 AM MacGalempsy: even 1/2 price would allow a market takeover
03:40 AM Wolf_: even at $400 shipped lol
03:41 AM Wolf_: what the hell, 3 ph stepper?
03:42 AM MacGalempsy: http://m.ebay.com/itm/XY-Stage-Table-Bed-Plotting-for-CO2-Laser-Cutting-Engraving-Machine-4060-/261993145518?nav=SEARCH
03:42 AM MacGalempsy: that seems reasonable
03:43 AM MacGalempsy: nm shipping is $60
03:45 AM Loetmichel_: Wolf_: othersd cal these "brushless motors" ;)
03:45 AM Loetmichel_: -d+l
03:46 AM Wolf_: yeah, but no feedback, just 3 wires, how does that work on a 4th axis lol
03:47 AM Loetmichel_: 2 phase 3 wire is a strange config
03:48 AM Loetmichel_: i would assume that it is both winding in series with a center tap
03:48 AM Loetmichel_: would work but only for full step
03:49 AM Deejay: moin
03:50 AM Loetmichel_: or you have a +- supply and put the center tap obn ground and then drive the open ends either to +, to - or have them open
03:55 AM MacGalempsy: something they must do to keep 3rd party accessories away from their customers
03:56 AM Wolf_: probably
03:56 AM Loetmichel_: feedback is overrated for a stepper though
03:57 AM Loetmichel_: and end stop switch is too.
03:57 AM Loetmichel_: +,
03:57 AM Loetmichel_: for a rotary axis
03:58 AM Wolf_: yeah, just need a index, which seems they don’t even bother with that on the lasers lol
04:00 AM MacGalempsy: just go slow enough to ensure you dont lose steps and its all good
04:01 AM * Loetmichel_ just had an "Oh shit!" moment this moring... driving that 2 ton Opel Omega to work at 6°c... driving of a highway exit over a bridge it started to slip on the front axle in the bend. This being a RWD car i am used to drift on the rear axle... thre front one slipping is quite scary... :( was close to: "I should change underwear" ;)
04:01 AM MacGalempsy: you wear underwear?
04:02 AM MacGalempsy: ;)
04:06 AM MacGalempsy: so the galvos heads have 2 servos with mirrors mounted. im curious of geared micro servos would be better due to the low encoder counts
04:07 AM MacGalempsy: its like 146 ppr
04:09 AM MacGalempsy: http://www.ebay.com/itm/182344003004
04:09 AM MacGalempsy: that ones even lower pulse
04:10 AM MacGalempsy: http://www.ebay.com/itm/161865415281
04:12 AM MacGalempsy: http://www.ebay.com/itm/112302449056
04:14 AM MacGalempsy: the last one looks good
04:51 AM XXCoder: MacGalempsy: got back whats up
04:52 AM MacGalempsy: nada.
04:52 AM MacGalempsy: looking at some workout routines
04:52 AM XXCoder: you should look into isomorphic ones
04:53 AM jthornton: morning
04:53 AM XXCoder: hey
04:54 AM MacGalempsy: morning jt
04:54 AM MacGalempsy: XXCoder: 5lb dumbell max. for toning
04:54 AM XXCoder: cool
05:20 AM MacGalempsy: i forgot how much went into balancing between workout and diet
05:20 AM MacGalempsy: planning wise
06:25 AM MacGalempsy: have a good day guys.
06:26 AM XXCoder: later
08:56 AM JT-Shop: are the after market toner cartridges ok for laser printers?
09:09 AM jym: which laser printer?
09:11 AM jym: JT-Shop: The HP/Canon (might be others too) toner cartridges have a chip on them to prevent even refilling them. Just make sure that your cartridge or the seller mentions if is has the chip mod in it.
09:12 AM jym: same goes for many inkjets too.
09:13 AM JT-Shop: brother
09:14 AM JT-Shop: uses a TN660 cartridge
09:15 AM gonzo_: I recall seeing some refil kits coming with a chip reprogrammer for your chosen cart (or was a replacement chips?)
09:15 AM jym: JT-Shop: Doens't look to be an issue http://www.ebay.com/sch/?_nkw=TN660
09:17 AM JT-Shop: https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=tn660
09:17 AM jym: JT-Shop: Sadly, it's almost cheaper to buy a brand new laser printer than it is to buy replacement toner.
09:18 AM Wolf_: brother lasers are great
09:18 AM jym: I bought my laser for $40, the toner was (retail) $60
09:18 AM Wolf_: there is a toner reset menu hiddenn in them
09:18 AM jym: Wolf_: lol, nice
09:18 AM Wolf_: starter toner will do about 3k pages
09:19 AM jym: I have a samsung laser, been workign great. and toner was cheap for it
09:19 AM Wolf_: because the toner on the brothers goes by page count… not by level or amount put on the page
09:20 AM jym: Wolf_: og well that's fucked up
09:20 AM Wolf_: I’ve put 3 reams through my new printer and its still on the starter cart
09:21 AM jym: also remember to pull the toner out and shake it when it's running low. (But be careful of toner leaking out when you do)
09:22 AM jym: ...so you dont get it on your clothes and such.
09:23 AM JT-Shop: yea I just ignored the low toner message till the print quality suffered
09:24 AM Wolf_: both of the brother color lasers I have are assholes, when it thinks it should be empty it locks you out after a couple ignores iirc
09:25 AM _methods: printer companies are notoriously douchey
09:25 AM jym: Wolf_: Or when only the red is empty, but you are only printing black, it won't print. I hate that shit.
09:29 AM Wolf_: like for the Brother 3170CDW I have, open the top of the printer, press the "Secure" and "X Cancel" buttons = special service mode. Use the + and - buttons to scroll to 'new' toner cartridge “installed” "Y.TNR-STR" yellow starter, "Y.TNR-HC" high yield or "Y.TNR.STD" standard. pick one hit the "OK" button, then "OK reset cancel" type screen. Hit the up arrow to reset.
09:31 AM jym: Wolf_: Sounds like a game cheat code.... up up up up down down down fire fire left left right
09:31 AM Wolf_: did the same thing on my mom’s MFC-9970CDW when the magenta was saying it was empty, that was 4 months ago and it still hasn’t run out
09:34 AM Wolf_: pretty much, if the black cart runs out on mine at least I expensed a high yield cart when I was working the trade shows lol
09:36 AM Wolf_: granted that from new out of the box it only took 3 days to get the printer to tell me the starter cart was empty lol
09:39 AM JT-Shop: hmm I don't see any buttons on my HL-L2360DW
09:40 AM JT-Shop: LOL $199 color printer
09:41 AM Wolf_: yeah, and the HL-l2360DW Open the front cover and leave open while completing the following steps. Turn the printer off. Hold the 'go' button while turning the printer on. After 3 seconds release the 'go' button. (USER MODE) will appear. Press the 'go' button NINE times. The Wifi led will flash once. Press the 'go' button 5 times.
09:41 AM JT-Shop: does the Brother 3170CDW have a separate cartridge for each color?
09:41 AM Wolf_: yeah it does
09:42 AM jym: Each being $60+ typically =)
09:42 AM Wolf_: oops missed the last step there “Close the cover. Your toner is now reset”
09:43 AM Wolf_: JT-Shop: https://www.easyink.co.nz/support/hl-tn2345-toner-reset/
09:43 AM JT-Shop: does it come with starter toner?
09:43 AM jym: JT-Shop: I've never known ANY printer NOT to come with "starter" at least
09:44 AM Wolf_: yeah, they all do, with page count set to 1000 before it says its out of toner
09:44 AM JT-Shop: can you tell it to just print with black even if the page is color?
09:44 AM jym: yes
09:45 AM jym: that should be a setting in the printer driver (of all printers)
09:45 AM Wolf_: yeah, have to set mono on the print settings
09:47 AM Wolf_: So, does anyone here happen to know much about the cheap x700 clone ebay laser cutters?
09:51 AM JT-Shop: can you disable the Amazon Dash Replenishment
09:51 AM JT-Shop: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00BQU141C/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER
09:51 AM JT-Shop: dang gotta run bbl
09:52 AM Wolf_: no idea, I got mine from best buy
10:04 AM jdh: what is an x7 clone
10:04 AM Wolf_: http://www.ebay.com/itm/80w-CO2-USB-Laser-Engraving-Cutter-Machine-Engraver-with-80w-Glass-Laser-Tube-/111747405463
10:09 AM Wolf_: and the not clone x700 http://www.ebay.com/itm/60W-Co2-Laser-Engraving-Cutting-Machine-Laser-Engraver-Chiller-USB-700x500mm-/111607129124
10:19 AM Todd_Z: We tested one that looked a lot like that a few years ago in our laser engraving dept. It was a POS and is gone, now.
10:22 AM Wolf_: yeah, I’m reading that the “60w” clones are really 50w or less due to the crap they shove in them
10:31 AM Todd_Z: Glass tube lasers don't work very well for raster work, and the power is too low for good vector cutting.
10:32 AM Todd_Z: The rest of the machine sucked as well.
11:39 AM jym: Eh, that depends on what you are cutting.
11:40 AM DieFledermaus is now known as SpaceTranny
11:45 AM SpaceTranny is now known as insomnia
12:17 PM jym: Is there spiral math? Like if I have 100" of rope, and wanted the inside to be no less than 4".
12:25 PM FinboySlick: jym: Could you clarify what you're trying to compute?
12:27 PM jym: FinboySlick: The inner most part of the spiral needs to be 4" minimum. I'm trying to figure out the layout of the spiral (like a pattern to follow).
12:28 PM jym: FinboySlick: (It's really not rope but a long metal strip that will be used as an air channel and I'll need to figure out where to tack weld it
12:28 PM jym: )
12:29 PM jym: FinboySlick: No corners or tight bends (airflow resistance)
12:29 PM FinboySlick: jym: OK, so fixed spacing between coils, start radius, start angular position (0°) and end angular position?
12:35 PM _methods: pitch helix
12:35 PM _methods: helix pitch
12:35 PM _methods: doh
12:42 PM jym: FinboySlick: Not necessarily fixed, just smooth transition.
12:42 PM CaptHindsight: http://www.hartlandtool.com/products/standard-fluted-end-mills.php anyone try these or similar?
12:47 PM FinboySlick: jym: I'm probably still missing something but here's what I would do. Draw a line every 18 degrees along a central point until you have full circle. Start at 2" radius, increase radius every line for by your pitch/20.
12:52 PM FinboySlick: jym: The amount of 'rope' you consume every division is going to be approximately "2*pi*radius_at_that_division"/20
12:52 PM FinboySlick: That approximation undershoots so you should have a bit of material left.
12:56 PM FinboySlick: If you want it exact (and not an approximation), you have to get into integrals.
12:56 PM FinboySlick: Though in practice, just split your circle into more segments to increase precision.
01:00 PM CaptHindsight: is it just me or does the latency-test vs latency-histogram yield different results with the RTAI kernel from LCNC?
01:04 PM CaptHindsight: https://forum.linuxcnc.org/18-computer/32170-latency-about-7000-with-latency-test-raises-to-above-100-000-with-latency-plot#85923
01:05 PM CaptHindsight: hmm seems I have to test it against latency-plot as well
01:09 PM CaptHindsight: latency-plot and histogram have similar results, latency-test has very different results
01:52 PM gregcnc: capthindsight variable helix/pitch are all the rage for steels I don't have any experience though don't work much steel
01:56 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, i used to refill my own toner cartriges for years
01:57 PM Tom_L: until the roller was so screwed up it wouldn't print then i'd get another empty cartridge from my friend's work that just tossed em and bought new
01:57 PM JT-Shop: I just got a call from a non working number in MN???
01:58 PM Tom_L: i generally get my brother cartridges from Sam's
01:58 PM gregcnc: jt-shop, sorry i'll tell my rich nigerian uncle to try again
01:59 PM roycroft: i have your uncle's email address(es)
01:59 PM roycroft: in case that helps
01:59 PM Tom_L: hah, i've got a TN-660 sitting right here...
02:00 PM roycroft: he sends me emails almost every day, and uses multiple addresses to make sure they get to me
02:00 PM gregcnc: maybe I have a lot of uncles
02:00 PM roycroft: those nigerians are a prolific lot
02:00 PM roycroft: breeding is fun and profitable
02:00 PM roycroft: so i would not doubt that you have a lot of uncles
02:01 PM roycroft: and every one of them is a prince!
02:03 PM gregcnc: holy moly seen this one yet? https://youtu.be/rvs_D9tR8g8
02:07 PM CaptHindsight: gregcnc: going to try one today, pm
02:07 PM gregcnc: were you able to pick it up that endmill?
02:08 PM CaptHindsight: as soon as I get out the door :)
02:08 PM gregcnc: great
02:08 PM CaptHindsight: I have driven past that p[ace hundreds of times
02:08 PM gregcnc: me too
02:09 PM CaptHindsight: I burned up most of my cheap tooling on a SS project
02:09 PM CaptHindsight: the parts came out nice but when i inspected the tools recently they are all trashed
02:09 PM gregcnc: the prices seem fair
02:10 PM CaptHindsight: going to try a 1/2 and maybe get a 1/4"
02:11 PM CaptHindsight: the cobalts at Shars are about the same price and are nothing to write home about
02:11 PM gregcnc: I found kodiakcuttingtools.com today looking for some drills for 60HRC
02:15 PM CaptHindsight: gregcnc: p.m.
02:31 PM CaptHindsight: Mcmaster's pricing for end mills isn't bad, anyone tried them?
02:32 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.mcmaster.com/#2782a76/=16kzypu
02:37 PM JT-Shop: once I started using these http://www.lakeshorecarbide.com/ I didn't want to use any other
02:38 PM Tom_L: CaptHindsight, my bud generally used travers
02:44 PM CaptHindsight: Tom_L: yes, Travers is great
02:45 PM CaptHindsight: have to try lakeshore JT-Shop
02:45 PM Tom_L: sounds like they have quality cutters
02:45 PM Tom_L: some definitely hold their edge better than others
02:48 PM JT-Shop: the radius corner end mills last a long time
02:49 PM CaptHindsight: HSS on SS 316 didn't fare well even running the coolant full blast
02:50 PM CaptHindsight: but didn't have time to get proper tools
02:54 PM Tom_L: cobalt might work better
02:54 PM Tom_L: i can't remember what we used for SS
03:03 PM CaptHindsight: yeah cobalt and not shars
03:03 PM CaptHindsight: carbide also worked well
03:04 PM CaptHindsight: you have to avoid letting it work harden
03:04 PM CaptHindsight: I made a few passes to slow and it was too hard for the tool to cut again
03:11 PM * JT-Shop is back to that point he was at about 6:10 yesterday when he rapided the long 1/4 end mill through the part due to a touch off mistake
03:12 PM gregcnc: jt-shop at least it wasn't the vise, table, or worse
03:13 PM JT-Shop: on vise has a pretty good divot and the other vise jaw has a cavity :)
03:16 PM JT-Shop: I was at the industrial park all morning so that didn't speed things up lol
03:16 PM gregcnc: I nibbled on a vise not too long ago because I didn't check were Z0 was in CAM.
03:17 PM gregcnc: it was at the bottom of my part, but needed to be at the bottom of stock
03:24 PM JT-Shop: MONKEY PICKLE time!
04:26 PM Deejay: gn8
04:38 PM * Loetmichel_ once welded a 1/8" TC mill bit shaft to the vise...
04:38 PM Loetmichel_: my machine has not powerful enough steppers to break it...
04:40 PM Loetmichel_: so when i accidentally rapided into the vise the axis simply stopped press on... resulting the TC bit to go white hot from the 24krpm friction... and then i hit the estop...
04:40 PM Loetmichel_: -> i never thought you could friction weld TC to cast iron ;)
04:40 PM Loetmichel_: @ JT-Shop
04:51 PM CaptHindsight: just returned from hartland tool and about to make chips fly
04:57 PM JT-Shop: handy when you have something like that near by
05:01 PM CaptHindsight: ends up they deliver daily to the shop at the other end of my building
05:26 PM JT-Shop: that's even handier
05:30 PM CaptHindsight: best chips ever!
05:31 PM JT-Shop: nice
05:39 PM jym: JT-Shop: On your DIy log splitter, how thick are the "blades" ?
05:40 PM JT-Shop: blades?
05:40 PM jym: anvil?
05:40 PM JT-Shop: the s confused me lol
05:41 PM jym: yellow thing == blades.... https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/72/b6/ff/72b6ff5f352ba31b676fb8d1c454f507.jpg
05:42 PM JT-Shop: the splitting wedge is 5 1/2" wide
05:43 PM jym: Oh, that's right, you welded pieces together to make more of a long triangle (I forgot)
05:44 PM jym: I cant find a pic, but I'm needing to come up with a mesh/cross like wedge
05:45 PM jym: ...to make cord wood into 2" rounds
05:45 PM JT-Shop: http://gnipsel.com/images/splitter/
05:45 PM jym: is that wedge using 1/2 plate?
05:46 PM JT-Shop: the center is 1" the sides are 1/2" iirc
05:46 PM jym: JT-Shop: no bends/deflection?
05:47 PM JT-Shop: the only thing that bends/deflects is the wood lol
05:47 PM jym: haha, cool. you did a nice job on it, that's for sure.
05:48 PM JT-Shop: overkill is my trademark :)
05:49 PM JT-Shop: the only thing a bit weak is the free engine I used but it was FREE!
05:49 PM jym: I made a sorta vertical barrel stove, and I'm using 3" pipe because I dont want to overtemp the thinass barrel.
05:50 PM jym: It keeps smoldering itself out using split wood, but if I feed it 2" pieces it does well. I'm just not gong to make 2" piece by hand
05:54 PM jym: I was planning on using wood chips, but bark beetle eggs are a bit of concern.
05:56 PM jym: JT-Shop: I was thinking soemthing along these lines http://webzoom.freewebs.com/logsplitter/IMG_2714web4.jpg
06:15 PM JT-Shop: only works if the rounds your splitting are the same size
06:15 PM jym: ah
06:16 PM jym: Well, everythign is already split, I just need 2" rounds now. lol, so was just a thought.
06:17 PM JT-Shop: cut limb wood to get 2" rounds
06:17 PM jym: I have 2 cords well seasoned =)
06:17 PM JT-Shop: a round is the log cut to length before splitting
06:18 PM jym: Ok, I need 2" splits,
06:18 PM JT-Shop: yup
06:18 PM JT-Shop: sorry but I'm a bit of an arborist...
06:19 PM jym: No, that's fine. I just wasn't sure how to say it that would get across.
06:20 PM JT-Shop: if it is straight grain wood an X7 makes short work of it
06:21 PM andypugh: Top Tip! The Orange bootlace ferrules can be pressed into service as Lemo connector pin extrractors.
06:21 PM JT-Shop: Lemo?
06:21 PM jym: JT-Shop: You mean a hatchet? Yeah, that's what I've been using now.
06:22 PM jym: http://www.woodsmonkey.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/IMG_8393.jpg
06:22 PM JT-Shop: no, an X7 not a typical hatchet
06:22 PM JT-Shop: yea
06:23 PM jym: What makes it so speccial/different?
06:23 PM JT-Shop: best splitting I've ever owned, the X27 is my goto splitting axe when I use one
06:23 PM JT-Shop: beats me
06:24 PM JT-Shop: I just hung all my other axes and hatches up for display lol
06:24 PM * JT-Shop wonders if he has a M2.5 x 0.45 tap...
06:25 PM andypugh: I have one. That’s no help is it?
06:25 PM JT-Shop: can you email it to me?
06:26 PM JT-Shop: I have a complete assortment of 2.5 shcs but no tap...
06:27 PM andypugh: Quicker to buy locally, I think. And I just remembered that I only have the bottoming one, so actually need to do some shopping myself.
06:28 PM JT-Shop: yikes MSC want's $50-$80 for one
06:29 PM JT-Shop: Guhring is much better price at $18
06:31 PM andypugh: I think that this ebay vendor got their pricing wrong. The title says £10.30 to £86, but they all show up as £10.30: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/272555173709
06:31 PM roycroft: the £86 one is the one made of invisibilium
06:32 PM JT-Shop: looking at the rail I think I better use a 2.5 SHCS
06:33 PM roycroft: for a hole size that small you had best not buy a tap
06:33 PM roycroft: buy several :)
06:33 PM andypugh: Hmm, sadly it also seems that you can’t buy from that advert.
06:33 PM JT-Shop: well I have 3 holes to drill and tap in some 6061 to mount the rail
06:34 PM roycroft: so the £10,30 ones are made of unobtanium
06:34 PM roycroft: that seller sure likes using exotic materials!
06:34 PM JT-Shop: that's a vary rare metal
06:34 PM jym: roycroft: chinesiam
06:34 PM roycroft: chinesiam is readly available, but melts in your hand
06:35 PM jym: lol
06:35 PM JT-Shop: geez shipping is $11.60 for a tiny little tap from MSC!
06:36 PM roycroft: i do as much work as possible with metric components
06:36 PM roycroft: but i still do most of my machining using american customary tooling, because metric tooling is so darn expensive in this country
06:36 PM roycroft: and metric metal stock is also expensive
06:37 PM roycroft: 6mm drill rod costs at least 2x as much as 1/4" drill rod
06:37 PM jym: JT-Shop: guess you need to order 200 sharpies along with your tap to at least justify the shipping costs
06:37 PM JT-Shop: ah mcmaster has them
06:37 PM roycroft: msc will ship that tiny little tap in a great big box via ups
06:37 PM JT-Shop: aye
06:38 PM roycroft: and they'll use $8 worth of bubble wrap to fill the void in the box
06:38 PM jym: roycroft: I thought that was amazon that did that.
06:38 PM roycroft: not any more
06:38 PM jym: ah
06:38 PM roycroft: the've taken to using even bigger boxes and no bubble wrap
06:39 PM roycroft: it's more fun getting an amazon parcel if it rattles when you shake it
06:39 PM * JT-Shop wanders inside to cook some chow
06:39 PM roycroft: someone posted recently that they purchased a small cookware item from amazon.com that was not otherwise available in australia
06:40 PM roycroft: amazon did not ship directly to .au, so the person used a reshipping service
06:40 PM roycroft: the $14 item got shipped in a ginormous box, and it cost $125 for the reshipping service because of that
06:40 PM roycroft: it was a very small item - a rotary parmesan cheese grater
06:41 PM roycroft: the person said that amazon refunded most of the shipping cost, so it was a good outcome in the end
06:41 PM roycroft: but amazon did not have to do that
06:41 PM roycroft: if they had used a proper box in the first place it would probably have cost more like $20-$25 for the reshipping
07:19 PM CaptHindsight: when you're trying to keep away from the work? http://www.ebay.com/itm/3-4-BT40-Shrink-Fit-Coolant-Thru-Tool-Holder-6-30-Gage-Length-Projection-/172373737386
07:20 PM roycroft: folks
07:20 PM roycroft: this was just posted
07:20 PM roycroft: https://roseburg.craigslist.org/tls/6026367244.html
07:20 PM roycroft: what do you think?
07:20 PM roycroft: a 12x36 for $1100 is a pretty good deal, if it's a decent machine
07:22 PM CaptHindsight: it's like the Enco and Grizzlys
07:23 PM CaptHindsight: it's about what I buy and sell them for
07:23 PM CaptHindsight: worth it if it's not worn
07:24 PM roycroft: the last few beat-up chinese 12x36 lathes i've seen for sale around here were going for $3k - almost list
07:25 PM CaptHindsight: jikes!
07:25 PM roycroft: i live so far from the rust belt that good deals on machines are very rare
07:25 PM roycroft: so this is a steal in my view
07:25 PM roycroft: 70rpm as the low end speed is nice
07:25 PM roycroft: 50rpm would be better
07:25 PM roycroft: but most of the small lathes i see only go down to 130-150rpm
07:26 PM roycroft: and it has a qctp already
07:26 PM roycroft: i need to find out what tooling and accessories it has
07:26 PM roycroft: hopefully it comes with a 4 jaw and faceplate, at least, and some tooling
07:26 PM roycroft: and a complete set of change gears
07:28 PM roycroft: i had never heard of frejoth-morgon before, but some web poosts i see about them indicate they have a threaded spindle, yet in the pictures on the cl post it looks more like d4 camlock mount
07:29 PM roycroft: it looks like it has power cross-feed, but i'm not certain
07:31 PM sync_: I don't think so
07:31 PM roycroft: er, d1-4
07:31 PM sync_: but yeah it has camlock
07:32 PM roycroft: there's a small lever on the saddle that looks like it slides sideways
07:32 PM sync_: yeah, seems like an okay deal
07:32 PM roycroft: that looks like a z-x feed select, no?
07:33 PM roycroft: and the other lever would be threading/feed
07:33 PM sync_: could be
07:33 PM roycroft: power cross feed is not essential, but it's a nice feature
07:33 PM roycroft: and if i cnc it it will be power everything :)
07:33 PM * roycroft should ring up the guy
07:34 PM roycroft: if i can get this for less than a 10x22 i'd be happy
07:34 PM sync_: yeah seems like it is power cross feed
07:35 PM roycroft: it's 2 hours away, but that's fine
07:35 PM roycroft: and it's a nice drive down to myrtle point
07:35 PM roycroft: it's also 30 years old
07:36 PM roycroft: but it doesn't look too beat up
07:42 PM roycroft: well, it comes with a 4 jaw, faceplate, the qctp, a few tool holders, and complete set of change gears
07:42 PM roycroft: and the guy can load it on my pickup
07:42 PM roycroft: i'm the second caller
07:42 PM roycroft: he said the first one he thinks has no idea what a lathe isw
07:42 PM roycroft: and probably wants to just lookey-loo
07:42 PM roycroft: so i may be getting this on saturday
07:43 PM roycroft: now my overrowded shop will be more overcrowded ;)
07:43 PM roycroft: but if it's in good shape it's a deal i can't pass up
07:43 PM roycroft: and i told him if it's what he says it is i'll give him his asking price
07:44 PM roycroft: now to see if it's going to snow on saturday
07:44 PM roycroft: if it does, i would have plenty of traction on the way home
07:46 PM jym: roycroft: don' forget, the bedroommakes an EXCELLENT work area,just tip the bed on it's side against the wall, and you're good to go.
07:46 PM roycroft: snow for sunday
07:46 PM roycroft: but saturday is good
07:47 PM roycroft: having something resembling a real lathe would make my life so much easier
07:47 PM roycroft: and this one is on wheels anyway, so i can move it around for now
07:47 PM roycroft: i don't think i would leave it on wheels long-term though
07:47 PM roycroft: it would get pretty twisted every time i moved it
07:48 PM roycroft: although i could level it every time
07:50 PM roycroft: http://www.vulnerabilityscanning.com/store/itm_380694327511.htmlhttp://www.vulnerabilityscanning.com/store/itm_380694327511.html
07:50 PM roycroft: specs on that model
07:50 PM roycroft: the site with the specs is only 7 serial numbers of the lathe in the cl listing, so those specs are probably accurate
07:51 PM SpeedEvil: jym: no need.
07:51 PM SpeedEvil: jym: Why do you think it's a called a lathe bed if you're not supposed to sleep there.
07:52 PM jym: SpeedEvil: Ah, you're right. Didn't think of that. Cause well, if you muck with the better half's sleeping area, you are gonna have to find a place to sleep yourself, and the doghouse smells
07:55 PM roycroft: unloading the lathe could be challenging
07:55 PM roycroft: it would be pretty tall sitting on my pickup bed
07:55 PM roycroft: unless i can separate it from the stand before loading it on the pickup
08:09 PM sync_: should only be 4 screws
08:34 PM roycroft: or six bolts
08:34 PM roycroft: sometimes there are four on the headstock and two on the tailstock
08:34 PM SpeedEvil: Three lights.
08:34 PM roycroft: i hope this works out - i've been musing about and shopping for a new lathe for a long time
08:34 PM SpeedEvil: Good luck.
08:35 PM SpeedEvil: Look up gyms near the site, in case you need help. :)
08:35 PM roycroft: and 12x36 is what i consider the minimum size for a decent lathe for turning steel
08:35 PM roycroft: and anything bigger than 12x36 i would never fit in my shop
08:35 PM roycroft: if the lathe is sitting directly on my pickup bed i can grab it with a cherry picker and lift it off
08:36 PM roycroft: if it's on its stand on my pickup bed then it's overhead crane time, and i don't have one
08:36 PM Wolf_: just need a truck that can put the bed on the ground
08:36 PM roycroft: i have a chain host and some 4x4s
08:36 PM roycroft: i don't have a hitch on my pickup or i'd just borrow my boss's trailer
08:36 PM roycroft: it will tilt down to ground level
08:37 PM roycroft: i've been meaning to put a hitch on the pickup but haven't gotten around to it
08:37 PM roycroft: and i can't have that done by saturday morning
08:37 PM Wolf_: slacker, even my wagen got a hitch with in the first 2 weeks of having it
08:37 PM roycroft: the other issue is that my pickup is a toyota, with a shor tbed
08:37 PM roycroft: the lathe will fit comfortably in the middle of the bed
08:38 PM roycroft: and i'll be able to close the tailgate
08:38 PM roycroft: but the stand will be hard to fit in with it
08:38 PM roycroft: it's a 3 piece stand though, so that can be disassembled as well
08:38 PM roycroft: and it's on a mobile base that i assume will be easy to remove
08:38 PM roycroft: i do have lots of blankets and tie-downs and tarps
08:39 PM roycroft: so one way or another i'll get it all on the pickup
08:39 PM roycroft: i bought that pickup for a song and it ran really rough
08:39 PM roycroft: i put a new head on it and it's been great ever since
08:39 PM roycroft: but i wanted to drive it for a while before investing any more money in it
08:39 PM Wolf_: I use trailers sometimes http://i.imgur.com/YNpCZ0O.jpg
08:40 PM roycroft: since i only drive it a few hundred miles/year at most, it's been more than "a while" in terms of time, but not yet "a while" in terms of mileage
08:40 PM roycroft: it will be interesting - it's an '88 toyota
08:40 PM roycroft: and it's a 1/2 ton pickup that will be hauling close to 1/2 ton
08:40 PM roycroft: but over a mountain pass and three very steep (>6% grade) hills
08:40 PM Wolf_: lol, reg cab short bed?
08:41 PM roycroft: yes
08:41 PM Wolf_: would probably fit on the back of my truck
08:41 PM roycroft: if you don't mind dropping that truck off at my place tomorrow afternoon i'd like to borrow it for saturday :)
08:41 PM roycroft: i don't need the trailer though
08:42 PM Wolf_: if you pay for fuel, gets about 9-13 mpg
08:42 PM roycroft: my toyota probably gets about 18
08:42 PM roycroft: so not that huge a difference :)
08:42 PM roycroft: you can come to oregon and visit a pot store before sessions shuts them down
08:43 PM roycroft: i should probably visit a pot store before sessions shuts them down
08:43 PM Wolf_: lol
08:43 PM roycroft: i've never been to one
08:43 PM roycroft: although i drive past at least a dozen/day
08:43 PM roycroft: we have more pot stores than starbucks
08:43 PM Wolf_: http://i.imgur.com/yERX7l3.jpg :)
08:44 PM Wolf_: one thing is funny is the truck gets the same mpg loaded as well
08:44 PM roycroft: well if you ever get stuck you have a rig to get you unstuck
08:44 PM roycroft: a lot of trucks are like that it seems
08:45 PM Wolf_: not always http://i.imgur.com/wPJb99r.jpg on the stuck thing...
08:45 PM Wolf_: http://i.imgur.com/DavcHSw.jpg
08:45 PM roycroft: yeah, that backhoe might have a hard time pulling you out of that
08:46 PM roycroft: a bit of advice for when you drive in the snow:
08:46 PM roycroft: don't do that
08:46 PM Wolf_: lol yeah
08:46 PM Wolf_: guy I work with was driving it and didn’t chain up the rear tires
08:47 PM roycroft: so a snap-on screwdriver just arrived to replace a worn-out #2 phillips
08:47 PM roycroft: first of all
08:47 PM roycroft: snap-on are competing with amazon for shipping the biggest, emptiest box possible
08:47 PM roycroft: good thing shipping was free
08:47 PM roycroft: it seems a comfortable tool just holding it in my hand
08:47 PM roycroft: i'l have to use it for a bit to decide for sure
08:47 PM Wolf_: http://i.imgur.com/hZxwxlP.jpg idk about the box thing
08:48 PM CaptHindsight: gregcnc: supposedly in Vernon Hills http://stores.ebay.com/Suncoast-Precision-Tools
08:48 PM roycroft: yeah, this box was about that size
08:48 PM Wolf_: like medium flat rate sized box, for just that drill gauge
08:48 PM roycroft: and all that was in it was a single screwdriver
08:48 PM Wolf_: er tapping gauge
08:48 PM roycroft: oh, i thought those were more boxes on the bottom
08:49 PM roycroft: that threading gauge should have been stuffed in an envelope
08:49 PM Wolf_: nope, just that lol
08:49 PM roycroft: a regular #10 business envelope
08:49 PM roycroft: between two pieces of cardboard
08:49 PM Wolf_: yeah, but thats amazon for ya
08:50 PM roycroft: i think they're doing that intentionally
08:50 PM roycroft: did you get free super-saver shipping on it?
08:50 PM Wolf_: I have a prime account
08:50 PM roycroft: oh
08:50 PM roycroft: they probably do some of the same things with prime
08:50 PM roycroft: what they like to do is fill containers completely
08:50 PM roycroft: with zero free space in them
08:50 PM Wolf_: I use to abuse the fuck out of the $3 overnight on anything
08:51 PM roycroft: and i think they size boxes to fill openings in the container
08:51 PM roycroft: super-saver is definitely shipped that way
08:51 PM roycroft: if there's a container with space in it super-saver ships th same day
08:51 PM roycroft: or it waits a week until there's space
08:51 PM roycroft: it's free to the customer because it's free to amazon - they pay by the container
08:51 PM Wolf_: ahh
08:52 PM Wolf_: we would buy some truck parts for customers off amazon and just use the prime + $3 overnight fee to get stuff next day
08:52 PM roycroft: but i would bet that it's cheaper for them to use a bigger box to fill a big space in a container than to fill the container suboptimally
08:52 PM Wolf_: like running boards and ladder racks lol
08:53 PM CaptHindsight: shipping rates are inflated
08:53 PM roycroft: they send me emails asking for feedback on their packaging all the time
08:53 PM roycroft: usually i respond something like "dude, your boxes are YUUUUUUUUUGE!"
08:54 PM roycroft: i rarely pay shipping at amazon
08:54 PM roycroft: and i'm too cheap to pay for prime
08:54 PM roycroft: i'd rather just wait a couple weeks for most things
08:55 PM roycroft: i keep some pretty big wish lists, so it's never a problem to fill out an order to just over what it takes to qualify for free super-saver shipping
08:57 PM Wolf_: if you use the amazon video streaming instead of netflix then the free shipping is just a added bonus
08:57 PM CaptHindsight: do either have much to watch?
08:57 PM Wolf_: and amazon comes out cheaperish
08:57 PM roycroft: i have a netflix account
08:58 PM roycroft: currently i'm watching "the great british bake-off"
08:58 PM Wolf_: amazon has a lot of free w/ prime movies/tv
08:58 PM roycroft: not as in right this minute
08:58 PM roycroft: but it's the series i'm watching
08:58 PM roycroft: netflix have some decent stuff
08:58 PM roycroft: i have turned off directv
08:58 PM roycroft: and never been happier
08:59 PM roycroft: i have ota and netflix now
08:59 PM Wolf_: I have comcast w/ internet and base nothing tv package + hbo
08:59 PM roycroft: and there's a lot less yelling on ota and netflix than cable/satellite
08:59 PM jym: I watch netflix mostly, but hit amazon too
08:59 PM CaptHindsight: i dropped dish years ago, cable before that
08:59 PM Wolf_: confuses the hell out of the them when they call trying to sell me upgrades
09:00 PM roycroft: i just had to deal with comcast today about my internet service
09:00 PM CaptHindsight: you're probably just on a list
09:00 PM roycroft: they kept trying to sell me bundles
09:00 PM roycroft: adding cable tv service to my internet service
09:00 PM jym: CaptHindsight: there is crackle too
09:00 PM roycroft: i kept explaining to them that my blood pressure has dropped 20 points since i turned off directv, and that cable would just jack it back up again
09:00 PM jym: roycroft: hahaha
09:00 PM roycroft: and asked them if they wanted to be responsible for killing me
09:01 PM Wolf_: my “bundle” is old, tv service is $13, then internet and hbo, total bill is under $100/mo
09:01 PM roycroft: i managed to get the comcast folks off-script with that :)
09:01 PM roycroft: the one guy almost sounded like a human for a minute
09:01 PM CaptHindsight: I tell em that I only want the foreign channels
09:02 PM roycroft: actually, i have a vpn in the uk, and watch stuff on the bbc iplayer
09:02 PM Wolf_: heh nice
09:02 PM roycroft: i've been trying to learn gaelic
09:02 PM Wolf_: I just torrent everything lol
09:02 PM roycroft: and there's a gaelic channel on iplayer
09:02 PM roycroft: and i must day
09:02 PM roycroft: say
09:02 PM roycroft: my god, that's a difficult language
09:02 PM roycroft: hardest one i've ever attempted
09:03 PM jym: Wolf_: hope you are using a private tracker
09:03 PM roycroft: and i studied classical greek and hebrew in college
09:03 PM Wolf_: always...
09:03 PM roycroft: along with several romance and germanic languages
09:03 PM roycroft: gaelic is hands-down the hardest
09:03 PM jym: Wolf_: goof man =)
09:04 PM Wolf_: if I have to use a public tracker I hit and run
09:08 PM roycroft: ooh, that lathe has a 1-3/8" spindle bore
09:08 PM roycroft: most of the ones i've been looking at are 1"
09:08 PM roycroft: 1-1/2" would be ideal for me
09:08 PM roycroft: but i could live with 1-3/8"
09:25 PM gregcnc: capthindsight, suncoast is FL based, but rep many places that dropship so depends what you look at. I looked at some YG drills they list which are in vernon hills also.