#linuxcnc Logs
Feb 19 2017
#linuxcnc Calendar
12:56 AM Cromaglious_: yea! Got my arduino PID speed control working. Working good... No :( Have a bunch of hunting....
12:58 AM Cromaglious_: could be monitor code....
01:00 AM Cromaglious_: video uploading to RobiSydney on youtube
01:49 AM Cromaglious_: playing with the arduino PID library trying to figure out the Ki Kp Kd
01:53 AM MacGalempsy: Evening
01:59 AM XXCoder: hey
02:04 AM MacGalempsy: Whats up?
02:04 AM MacGalempsy: Work?
02:04 AM XXCoder: bored
02:04 AM XXCoder: waiting for parts
02:05 AM XXCoder: you
02:05 AM XXCoder: ?
02:15 AM MacGalempsy: Bored too but no sleep
02:15 AM MacGalempsy: The rig started coming out of the hole so 24+hrs til they resume drlg
02:16 AM MacGalempsy: Just drawing and killing time
02:16 AM XXCoder: getting paid to draw stuff
02:18 AM MacGalempsy: Pretty much
02:20 AM MacGalempsy: Anyways it gives me time to chill
02:20 AM XXCoder: cool
02:20 AM XXCoder: its like this at work sometimes
02:20 AM XXCoder: longest one was both machines had 2 parts on tombstone, 3 hours runtime each
02:21 AM MacGalempsy: Nice
02:21 AM XXCoder: so I didnt stand till lunch, and hour after lunch I finally stood to changes parts
02:21 AM XXCoder: then stood again to go home
02:21 AM MacGalempsy: Hows the mill coming along?
02:21 AM XXCoder: so. muchj., reading.
02:21 AM MacGalempsy: Yeah
02:21 AM XXCoder: cnc router is still waiting for 12v and 5v. I guess 499 years left to wait
02:22 AM MacGalempsy: Shoot
02:22 AM XXCoder: no big deal even if matter replicator is invented while I wait
02:22 AM XXCoder: I can still enjoy making wood stuff
02:23 AM MacGalempsy: Cool. Do you use the simulator at all?
02:24 AM XXCoder: I used to test one but nah now
02:25 AM XXCoder: I should figure out cam lol
02:25 AM MacGalempsy: Might be good. Any ideas on a hello world?
02:26 AM XXCoder: I already had test runs but it was before I upgraded from tb6560
02:27 AM MacGalempsy: So what's next?
02:27 AM XXCoder: spindle wiring and tests :)
02:27 AM XXCoder: I look forward to that part.
02:28 AM XXCoder: finally a real spindle, not shit grinder
02:28 AM XXCoder: geez. guy at one channel admitted that hes white power guy :P
02:29 AM MacGalempsy: As opposed to green power?
02:29 AM XXCoder: we have problem with that too
02:29 AM XXCoder: rich people
02:30 AM MacGalempsy: Nothing wrong with being rich
02:30 AM XXCoder: its more matter of how rich handle it rather than number in bank and stuff
02:30 AM XXCoder: bill gates is my hero in rich area
02:30 AM XXCoder: so are buffett
02:31 AM MacGalempsy: Y?
02:31 AM XXCoder: guy who builds telsa is pretty awesome, trying to improve envormental impact of humans, by say eelctric cars and now tube transits
02:31 AM MacGalempsy: Mine is Dan Akroyd
02:32 AM XXCoder: cool. I only know him as actor
02:32 AM XXCoder: "know" is biut strong word
02:34 AM MacGalempsy: I like him cuz hes funny and seems to have gotten out of the spot light
02:37 AM MacGalempsy: What kind of wood stuff do you plan on doing?
02:37 AM XXCoder: artwork
02:37 AM MacGalempsy: Any links to the style?
02:39 AM XXCoder: nah
02:39 AM XXCoder: still nonexistant
02:39 AM XXCoder: but it will be related to deaf culture
02:39 AM XXCoder: and sometimes other styles and funny
02:39 AM MacGalempsy: Mos deaf?
02:39 AM XXCoder: mos?
02:40 AM MacGalempsy: The singer
02:40 AM XXCoder: oh dunno who
02:45 AM XXCoder: by deaf I mean literal deaf people :)
02:45 AM XXCoder: we do have our culture after all
02:49 AM MacGalempsy: Ok
02:56 AM Deejay: moin
03:05 AM MacGalempsy: Hi Deejay
03:06 AM MacGalempsy: Feeling better?
03:06 AM Deejay: little bit, thanks
03:06 AM Deejay: but it always takes some days
03:07 AM MacGalempsy: Taking any meds?
03:07 AM Deejay: yep
03:09 AM MacGalempsy: Good man :)
03:09 AM XXCoder: smoke a bowl
03:09 AM MacGalempsy: So any new cnc builds lately?
03:11 AM MacGalempsy: Not sure if that is good for the flu
03:11 AM archivist: too busy cataloguing
03:12 AM MacGalempsy: Does it ever end?
03:13 AM archivist: the basic load the other week was 550 items, now "putting away"
03:14 AM archivist: being "tidy" (not) it is an alphabetical insert
03:15 AM MacGalempsy: Bar coded?
03:16 AM archivist: I have items barcoded yes
03:16 AM MacGalempsy: All 550?
03:16 AM archivist: yes
03:16 AM MacGalempsy: Cool. Are they manuals or hardware or ???
03:16 AM archivist: all items and containers
03:17 AM archivist: mainly manuals
03:17 AM MacGalempsy: So do you sell them?
03:17 AM archivist: only if duplicate and somebody wanted a scan
03:18 AM MacGalempsy: Ah. Ok
03:18 AM archivist: live maps for finding http://www.collection.archivist.info/shelfview.php?src=artitle&locid=197
03:19 AM MacGalempsy: So neat
03:21 AM MacGalempsy: You have memberships available?
03:21 AM archivist: er wot
03:21 AM MacGalempsy: To the library
03:21 AM archivist: the list is on the internet
03:21 AM MacGalempsy: Was just being sarcastic
03:25 AM pink_vampire: XXCoder: you can't send here stuff like that, you make me want to build a furnace!!
03:26 AM MacGalempsy: Need to root this tab...
03:26 AM MacGalempsy: But no pc to do it with
03:26 AM MacGalempsy: Hi pink
03:29 AM XXCoder: pink_vampire: heh sorry
03:30 AM pink_vampire: hi MacGalempsy
03:30 AM pink_vampire: No problem
03:30 AM XXCoder: MacGalempsy: you got raspberry pi or something?
03:30 AM XXCoder: got CHIP?
03:31 AM MacGalempsy: Galaxy note 8.0
03:31 AM pink_vampire: I have few kg of aluminum chips that I want to try to make some casting with them (2024-t3 and 6061 mix)
03:31 AM XXCoder: no, not tablet, other compting device you can install linux on
03:32 AM MacGalempsy: It goitched at low power and went to factory mode.
03:32 AM XXCoder: cant reboot into regular android?
03:32 AM XXCoder: pink_vampire: you probably can yeah. maybe watch some myfordboy videos on his kiln build and stuff
03:33 AM MacGalempsy: No linux devices atm. No reboot.
03:33 AM XXCoder: you need some flux to get rid of dross and get qualty better from what i understand.
03:33 AM pink_vampire: I'm working on small / very small stuff, so I'm thinking about very small furnace, maybe a dental one.
03:33 AM MacGalempsy: Will use odin when I get the laptop next time im on leave
03:33 AM XXCoder: mac maybe order a CHIP (12 bucks, shipped?) and try use it as linux pc to try root or restore
03:33 AM XXCoder: ahh
03:34 AM XXCoder: pink that kiln build seens very strightforward and small
03:34 AM MacGalempsy: Just didn't know what to expect on this first tour
03:34 AM XXCoder: oh its your first?
03:35 AM XXCoder: how long do you stay away from home?
03:35 AM MacGalempsy: After 16 months off, this is my first week back
03:36 AM MacGalempsy: First time working in the field in 8+ years
03:38 AM MacGalempsy: Pink how about a jewelry kiln? Then you can make me a necklace
03:38 AM MacGalempsy: Gold only please :)
03:39 AM XXCoder: 16 months off? unemployed?
03:40 AM MacGalempsy: yeah
03:40 AM XXCoder: ahh glad you got a job
03:41 AM MacGalempsy: Thank you. I feel lucky to finally get back at it
03:42 AM MacGalempsy: We were down to our last 6 months of savings.
03:43 AM MacGalempsy: Started stressing hard
03:43 AM XXCoder: hehI can last maybe 3 months, that what sucks on living semi-month to month
03:45 AM MacGalempsy: I got a bunch of friends who made more than me and didnt last anywhere as long. I'm just frugal
03:46 AM MacGalempsy: Eating at home 99% of the time was the key
03:46 AM XXCoder: good idea yeah
03:46 AM XXCoder: I just drink soylent most times
03:46 AM XXCoder: 2.60 each meal
03:47 AM MacGalempsy: Soylent?
03:47 AM XXCoder: cheaper than fast food but far healthier
03:47 AM XXCoder: yeah. fairly boring meal
03:47 AM XXCoder: theres bottle and powder version, I buy bottles
03:47 AM XXCoder: powder is cheaper but i'm toomlazy for that.
03:48 AM MacGalempsy: I am clearing out the cupboards of what my wife won't eat :)
03:49 AM XXCoder: lol
03:50 AM MacGalempsy: 12hrs on location. Is good cuz there is no where to spend $$$ (except online)
03:50 AM XXCoder: 12 hours I would bring 4 bottles or one powder bag if there is water and ref
03:51 AM MacGalempsy: I got trail mix. Tea. Raisens. Then eatceggscand turkey bacon for breakfast
03:52 AM MacGalempsy: Per diem is $45. So I'm on point for $6-12 per day in food
03:52 AM XXCoder: you got someone to cook for you if you cant cook
03:52 AM XXCoder: i got nobody heh
03:53 AM XXCoder: lets see
03:53 AM MacGalempsy: I'm good at cooking.
03:53 AM XXCoder: 3 soylent bottles, and usually 4 burrito for a day
03:53 AM XXCoder: assuming 3 bucks each, thats 11 bucks
03:53 AM XXCoder: not too bad
03:54 AM XXCoder: if I replaced dinner with one soylent bottle it would be 12 bucks but healther
03:55 AM MacGalempsy: isnt soy high in estrogen?
03:55 AM XXCoder: 7 bags (35 meals) would be 54 bucks monthly
03:55 AM XXCoder: it uses soy protein, and dunno
03:55 AM XXCoder: still dont have breasts
03:55 AM XXCoder: besides moobs I have had since I was 16?
03:55 AM MacGalempsy: Lol thats good!
03:56 AM MacGalempsy: I'm a lactard, but drink l-free mi l k
03:57 AM XXCoder: well maybe try order sample one week worth of bottle soylent
03:57 AM XXCoder: suggest flavored type
03:58 AM MacGalempsy: Ill check it out, but ifor protien I got eggs, turkey bacon and protien powder
03:58 AM XXCoder: yeah you would still need little bit more protein
03:59 AM XXCoder: expecially if youre very active at work
03:59 AM XXCoder: maybe peanut butter powder 2 or 3 spoonfuls into bottle
03:59 AM MacGalempsy: Need to work on carbs, protien, fat calcs. Been losing but need to get to 165 to 175lbs
04:00 AM XXCoder: heh I love having soylent for lunch break
04:00 AM XXCoder: literally 3 to 4 minutes to drink it
04:00 AM XXCoder: then rest of time just chill reading
04:00 AM XXCoder: far more relaxing than busy eating
04:01 AM MacGalempsy: Cool. I enjoy cooking but eat too fast. There is a kitchen in the command center and our trailer
04:01 AM XXCoder: nice
04:01 AM XXCoder: work we have 2 microwaves and sink heh
04:02 AM XXCoder: oh yes toaster oven
04:02 AM MacGalempsy: Ill take a pic since everyone is gone.
04:03 AM XXCoder: wow. electric buses is cheaper than diesek and cng (whatever that is) now
04:03 AM XXCoder: I wonder if that means slow turnover
04:05 AM MacGalempsy: Of faster cuz th r y are cheaper due to having replace them more often
04:07 AM MacGalempsy: https://flic.kr/p/SchQNQ
04:08 AM MacGalempsy: Still loading the pics
04:08 AM XXCoder: fancy heh
04:09 AM XXCoder: break room at work is around same size bvut just has ref, sink, 2 microwaves and one toaster oven. room has bunch chairs and 2 tables
04:09 AM XXCoder: its BARELY air conditioned, in winter its maybe 5 degrees warmer, and in summer maybe 10 degree cooler
04:09 AM MacGalempsy: One big room. The little room is for the mud loggers
04:10 AM MacGalempsy: I'm chilling on the couch
04:12 AM XXCoder: cool
04:13 AM XXCoder: someone suggested me to get IT job in oil place
04:13 AM XXCoder: easy job and very good pay
04:13 AM XXCoder: but ability to smell is kinda a requirement.
04:13 AM MacGalempsy: Why?
04:14 AM XXCoder: toxic gas outgas, I would need seconds to get mask on
04:14 AM XXCoder: smell is olvious to person who can smell
04:14 AM MacGalempsy: What of oil place?
04:14 AM XXCoder: forgot exactly
04:14 AM MacGalempsy: Refinery?
04:15 AM XXCoder: oil pumping place?
04:15 AM XXCoder: rather remote
04:15 AM MacGalempsy: Hmmm...
04:17 AM XXCoder: anyway its been few years, I have forgotten some of it stuff.
04:24 AM XXCoder: wow
04:24 AM XXCoder: https://www.engadget.com/2017/02/12/flow-battery-lasts-for-10-years/
04:24 AM XXCoder: lathinium ion lasts maybe 2 years
04:26 AM XXCoder: co2 inbalance, literally
04:26 AM XXCoder: its very safe battery, if it breaks apart its just water basically
04:27 AM MacGalempsy: Could is a skeptical word
04:28 AM XXCoder: indeed, it may fail to scale up
04:28 AM XXCoder: it may fail to market
04:28 AM XXCoder: many factors.
04:28 AM MacGalempsy: Hardwire everything
04:29 AM MacGalempsy: Semi Mobile phones
04:30 AM MacGalempsy: Limited mobility
04:30 AM XXCoder: big use would be GAINT battery near power generators
04:30 AM XXCoder: like solar
04:31 AM MacGalempsy: We need to just work on giant ground rsistors and harness lightening
04:32 AM XXCoder: problem is that it discharges so fast
04:32 AM MacGalempsy: Giant caps
04:32 AM XXCoder: if we add system to grab charge, it makes it have more internal reistance which means it may hit other place rather than that
04:33 AM MacGalempsy: 1e6 G farads
04:33 AM XXCoder: heh dunno if its possible to make cap that big
04:34 AM minibnz: there are car batteries that have capacitors built in to them so they are smaller in size but handle higher surges just like you want.
04:34 AM MacGalempsy: It may just throw its own bolts
04:35 AM XXCoder: unless we know of a way to piss off zeus bolts just isnt that common most times
04:35 AM kyle___: http://puu.sh/u9Zrh/d9aecee91a.png
04:36 AM kyle___: will it blend
04:36 AM kyle___: this thing is going to be monstrously heavy
04:36 AM XXCoder: epoxy grinite?
04:36 AM minibnz: XXCoder why are you waiting for a bolt to form? its too big to handle by that time, why no scrape the voltage/current before it gets that big?
04:36 AM kyle___: yeah
04:37 AM kyle___: oh no, real granite is about 168 lbs per cubic foot
04:37 AM kyle___: if epoxy granite is anywhere near that... i'm gonna need a new workbench
04:37 AM XXCoder: minibnz: that may be how telsa did it. too bad he died early crazy and poor
04:37 AM XXCoder: kyle___: can do hollows I guess, or filled with lighter but still solid stuff
04:37 AM minibnz: was also well before his time..
04:37 AM kyle___: yeah that's true
04:37 AM XXCoder: dunno how much it affects structure
04:38 AM kyle___: i know having big chunks in the aggregate really helps the strength
04:38 AM minibnz: kyle__ thats nice i like the idea of a granite mill base
04:39 AM minibnz: making it would be rather time consuming..
04:39 AM kyle___: yeah, it should help dampen vibration a lot
04:39 AM XXCoder: minibnz: yeah epoxy grinite
04:39 AM minibnz: once its done it wont bend or vibrate
04:39 AM minibnz: oh your going to cast it..
04:40 AM XXCoder: kyle___: btw you will need something to vibrate it as it settles down from what i recall
04:40 AM kyle___: yeah, you can get really great casts from this stuff apparently
04:40 AM kyle___: yeah
04:40 AM XXCoder: so maybe borrow your own or wife's dilio :P jk
04:40 AM minibnz: make sure your epoxy can be mixed in a large batch.. it might go exothermic and burn up when you mix that large a batch
04:40 AM kyle___: lol
04:40 AM XXCoder: seriously I saw someone bolt rod to orbal sander to use as vibration
04:40 AM kyle___: yeah, planning on using west systems
04:40 AM kyle___: you only need to use about 10% epoxy by weight
04:40 AM minibnz: ok sweet
04:41 AM kyle___: and i've divided this into some chunks that slot together
04:41 AM kyle___: it'll get pretty hot, but it'll be doable
04:41 AM minibnz: very nice.. test your release agent before you get to carried away :)
04:42 AM kyle___: thinking of getting a ceiling fan motor or something and putting an offset weight on it and attaching it to a small cart to set the mold on while it sets up
04:42 AM kyle___: totally, yeah
04:42 AM minibnz: we just made a vibration table for work
04:43 AM kyle___: the ceiling fan motor might not spin fast enough for it to produce a high enough frequency of vibration now that I think of it
04:43 AM kyle___: seems like you'd want high frequency, somewhat low amplitude?
04:43 AM minibnz: they are pretty simple you can buy vibration motors for about $300au that would bolt to the side of your mold and your are off
04:43 AM XXCoder: orbal sander is free heh
04:43 AM minibnz: strap a slab of steel as a weight
04:44 AM kyle___: lol, not sure I want to run an orbital sander for a few days
04:44 AM minibnz: maybe a air powered one if you run it for too long it will die.
04:44 AM XXCoder: hmm guy using it on video it didnt look like guy was using it for long
04:44 AM kyle___: yeah, i've still got plenty of research to do
04:45 AM minibnz: you can also buy air powered vibrators for higher frequency our one shook the 6th floor and we got complaints from three floors down..
04:45 AM kyle___: lol
04:45 AM minibnz: not expensive either.
04:45 AM kyle___: i could just start up my project car with its broken motor mounts
04:45 AM minibnz: hehehehhe
04:45 AM XXCoder: lol
04:46 AM kyle___: i'm imagining some weird rod system to transfer the motion
04:46 AM XXCoder: just make one yourself
04:46 AM XXCoder: get dc motor, mill slightly offcenter metal disk to it
04:46 AM XXCoder: let it run
04:46 AM kyle___: yeah
04:46 AM kyle___: hah, maybe I could cast an epoxy granite offset disk first
04:46 AM minibnz: best way is to put two wieghts one at each end to make the bearings last longer
04:47 AM minibnz: so dual shaft motors
04:47 AM XXCoder: bolt 90 degree offset weight metal disk to other side for higher freqance lol
04:47 AM kyle___: ah
04:47 AM MacGalempsy: Cloud farming could help produce bolts
04:47 AM kyle___: huh, wonder if I could bolt up my big stepper motor and have it do weird stuff from my microcontroller
04:48 AM minibnz: you could make one from a solenoid.
04:48 AM XXCoder: wouldnt stepper burn up if long too?
04:48 AM kyle___: it could
04:48 AM kyle___: lots of ways to create vibrations!
04:48 AM minibnz: we also have one of these so we can feed it with triangle waves from a function generator
04:48 AM kyle___: maybe I could just wait for one of those mythical west coast earthquakes
04:49 AM XXCoder: just use wife dilio "hey can I borrow it for umm 48 hours I guess?"
04:49 AM kyle___: lol, haven't married her yet, probably shouldn't pull that one
04:49 AM XXCoder: :)
04:50 AM kyle___: i've actually lived here over a year now and still haven't experienced an earthquake
04:50 AM minibnz: just strap any old petrol motor to the side of it it will be out of balance enough to shake your casting
04:50 AM kyle___: everyone made it sound like it was a weekly occurrence
04:51 AM kyle___: oh yeah
04:51 AM kyle___: my old eclipse has an inline-four
04:51 AM kyle___: terrible vibration problems with that
04:51 AM minibnz: was thinking something a bit smaller like a line trimmer for economy :)
04:51 AM kyle___: hahah
04:51 AM kyle___: why not have fun and carbon monoxide poisoning?
04:51 AM minibnz: but yo go with wat you got
04:52 AM kyle___: i'll probably start trolling free stuff on craigslist, i'm not in any hurry
04:52 AM MacGalempsy: Stepper with an offcenter disc
04:52 AM XXCoder: it would need to constantly run for 2 days
04:52 AM XXCoder: steppers would die
04:52 AM XXCoder: kyle___: got spindle? may use that heh
04:53 AM minibnz: yeah stepper would be easy if you need to cool it just pump water in the end and it will work its way out :)
04:53 AM kyle___: not yet!
04:53 AM kyle___: i have a few old brushless dc motors for rc planes but they might be too small
04:53 AM DaViruz: loudspeakers can be pretty effective for generating vibrations
04:53 AM kyle___: they have pretty good airflow so they should last
04:54 AM minibnz: probably on their own :) but you can mount a few of them where you think the bubbles will need help gegtting out
04:54 AM kyle___: noise could be an issue since this is going to have to happen in my garage
04:54 AM XXCoder: DaViruz: good idea. death metal blasting for 48 hours heh
04:54 AM kyle___: lol
04:54 AM minibnz: only need it to run till it skins..
04:54 AM kyle___: du hast by rammstein, 24/7
04:54 AM MacGalempsy: Lol
04:54 AM minibnz: after that the bubbles inside should be gone..
04:54 AM kyle___: oh, yeah?
04:54 AM minibnz: either that or put in vacum chamber as you pour
04:54 AM kyle___: i should read up more on how this actually works
04:55 AM kyle___: maybe do some test casts
04:55 AM XXCoder: maybe enclose it so sound dont come out
04:55 AM MacGalempsy: How about a sonic vibrator like for edms?
04:55 AM XXCoder: speakers seems simplest to me, expecially if you has spare speakers you can bolt directly on casing
04:55 AM MacGalempsy: I used one to vibrate concrete
04:55 AM kyle___: hmmm
04:55 AM minibnz: hmmm <MacGalempsy> that could cavitate and make bubbles
04:55 AM kyle___: hey you're onto something
04:55 AM kyle___: maybe
04:55 AM kyle___: this is something worth testing, i think
04:56 AM MacGalempsy: Nah. They are used to eliminate bubbles
04:56 AM minibnz: ok
04:56 AM kyle___: speakers are cheap, could just output a square wave outside of audible range
04:56 AM MacGalempsy: Look at bass shakers
04:56 AM minibnz: oh filter it so you are nice to your car amplifier..
04:56 AM minibnz: make a curve at least
04:57 AM MacGalempsy: And a dvd of diggerydoo tracks
04:57 AM minibnz: it will sound nicer too..
04:57 AM kyle___: oh god that would be a fun conversation with the HOA president next door
04:57 AM minibnz: i was going to say you need a good track to play in it..
04:58 AM XXCoder: HOA ugh
04:58 AM MacGalempsy: When they ask tell them its tantric meditation
04:58 AM MacGalempsy: Yeah yuck
04:58 AM XXCoder: yeah say your religion requires 48 hours of medition noise
04:58 AM minibnz: there is a group of aboriginals in circular quay that do techno diggeridoo if your it that, personally not a fan of techno but its different and seems to get the crowds in..
04:58 AM kyle___: it's an older neighborhood now, maybe the HOA will dissolve soon
04:58 AM kyle___: in any case I don't plan on living here for more than a couple years
04:59 AM kyle___: stupid bay area, this is not a $1.2m house...
05:00 AM kyle___: wouldn't even break $200k in any reasonable place actually
05:01 AM minibnz: i am sure you wont have to run it for that long so just pick the time you can do it.. like when the neighbours are mowing the lawn, when they stop you start.. that surely would be enough time for an epoxy to skinn up.
05:02 AM kyle___: yeah, we'll see
05:02 AM kyle___: i can't imagine the noise will escape the garage too badly
05:02 AM kyle___: unless i actually played didgeridoo tunes, that is
05:02 AM minibnz: sit it on an old mattress if you have to..
05:03 AM kyle___: that's a good idea
05:03 AM minibnz: or a camping air bed
05:03 AM kyle___: maybe I can replace those motor mounts and use the old ones
05:04 AM kyle___: or just use the new ones since I doubt it'll put that much strain on them
05:04 AM kyle___: and it can't weigh much more than an engine and transmission!
05:04 AM minibnz: higher freq/speed will travel less
05:06 AM kyle___: well, it's about 2 hours past bedtime, thanks for the ideas everyone
05:06 AM XXCoder: np
05:06 AM kyle___: i'll share pics when i get this project vibrating
05:20 AM jthornton: morning
05:20 AM XXCoder: hey jt
05:24 AM MacGalempsy: Hi
05:31 AM XXCoder: wow
05:31 AM XXCoder: sears is taking a nosedivem, and kmart is prt of it
05:31 AM XXCoder: they sold off craftman
05:31 AM XXCoder: heh it used to be awesome name, craftman. new tools is shit
05:50 AM MacGalempsy: Yep. Worked there for 5 years from16 to 21. Stock was at $45.
05:50 AM MacGalempsy: Now. Its crap
05:50 AM XXCoder: yeah
05:51 AM XXCoder: my bro has bunch of qualty old craftman tools
05:51 AM MacGalempsy: Anyways im done! Shift over
05:51 AM XXCoder: you can tell, logo is engraved and not part of cast
05:51 AM MacGalempsy: Laters
05:51 AM XXCoder: have safe trip home
05:51 AM MacGalempsy: Staying on site
05:51 AM MacGalempsy: A short walk to the next trailer
05:52 AM XXCoder: oh "live in" during week?
05:52 AM MacGalempsy: For the month
05:52 AM MacGalempsy: 30 on 14 off
05:53 AM XXCoder: oh
05:53 AM XXCoder: is site far from home?
05:53 AM MacGalempsy: 5hrs
05:53 AM XXCoder: dang
05:53 AM XXCoder: well safe short trip to your trailker heh
05:54 AM MacGalempsy: Ok. Bye
05:59 AM minibnz: kyle__ when you cast your base are you going to embed gib runners or just embed the anchors?
06:00 AM minibnz: oh he's off.
06:00 AM minibnz: oh wel
06:02 AM XXCoder: oh well
06:06 AM Deejay: re
07:12 AM XXCoder: twins!!
07:40 AM R2E4_bevins: Mornin or evening or afternoon........
07:41 AM R2E4_bevins: How do I energize a different relay for each tool?
07:44 AM R2E4_bevins: Would that be in the post processor?
07:44 AM XXCoder: interesting, no idea?
07:44 AM XXCoder: maybe something related to tool changing script?
07:45 AM R2E4_bevins: yeah, tool changing is coming after, but I have a job to do next week and need to get these spindles working..... So need a quick fix.
07:46 AM XXCoder: just curious why need different rerlay each tool? not sure what relays would do
07:46 AM jthornton: you could just slap up a pyvcp panel assuming your using axis with some buttons
07:46 AM R2E4_bevins: I have three spindles, offsets will do in tool table. But for now I have fixed tool in each spindle. I have to select a spindle with a relay before I start the spindle, because depending on the spindle I want to use I will have a relay for each spindle select.
07:47 AM XXCoder: ahh so relay to select which spindle to use, power it and all thay?
07:48 AM R2E4_bevins: one VFD three spindles, it is basically a select spindle, spindl;e 1-relay-1, spindle-2-relay-2, spindle-3-relay-3
07:48 AM R2E4_bevins: yeah, everything is working, just need to figure out how to select relay.
07:48 AM R2E4_bevins: Ho JT
07:49 AM XXCoder: cant do it manually for now?
07:49 AM R2E4_bevins: HI JT....lol
07:49 AM XXCoder: hassle, but if need to hurry on job..
07:50 AM R2E4_bevins: yes could do it like that if I cant figure this out today. I have a temp button panel, but I know it can be done, but dont know how....
07:50 AM minibnz: <R2E4_bevins> you would have to do that in the PLC.. enable a pin that turns on the spindle relay when that Tool is selected.. also should turn off the other spindles when not in use.
07:50 AM R2E4_bevins: or like JT said, pyvcp panel
07:51 AM minibnz: would not be too hard to do in the
07:51 AM minibnz: PLC
07:51 AM minibnz: test the tool number variable and enable disable the right spindles.
07:51 AM minibnz: do you have the electronics set up to drive the relays?
07:52 AM R2E4_bevins: everything is setup and working, I can slect the spindle with pushbutton now.
07:52 AM minibnz: assign these pins to the digital pins so you can get them from the PLC then test the variable and set clear these pins
07:53 AM minibnz: so you have ant FPGA card or a par port pins spare to drive the relays?
07:53 AM minibnz: or to simulate the push buttons?
07:53 AM R2E4_bevins: I can do the logic no problem in CL, I just dont know how the toolchange works and how to get the tool number in the CL
07:53 AM minibnz: simulate stimulate either way
07:53 AM R2E4_bevins: 5i25-7i77,7i70,7i71,7i84
07:53 AM minibnz: oh i would start looking at the gcode variables
07:54 AM minibnz: example #5244 would be the current Z position..
07:54 AM minibnz: you test the value of #xxxx that holds the current tool number
07:55 AM minibnz: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gcode/overview.html#sub:numbered-parameters
07:55 AM minibnz: #5400 is the tool number variable...
07:55 AM R2E4_bevins: ok
07:56 AM minibnz: you might need a little time delay or extra trigger depending on your needs, the CL PLC is good for that.
07:56 AM minibnz: thats done from gcode the link i gave you...
07:56 AM R2E4_bevins: When I get an M6T2 for example......
07:57 AM jthornton: in that case put a radio button in the pyvcp panel
07:57 AM minibnz: couple that with assigning the GPIO pins to a gcode accessble net is the next part of the story.
07:57 AM jthornton: look at the iocontrol pins for tool change
07:59 AM minibnz: there is a limit to the number of pins gcode can toggle so if the toolchange part will do it for you that might be best..
08:04 AM R2E4_bevins: I'll look at JT's cl-turret-sim example and see if I can understand it.
08:06 AM minibnz: thats probably the right way to do it.. but you know you can bandaid the job if you need to.
08:06 AM R2E4_bevins: yeah if I get stuck, for next week I will put a bandaid on it.
08:09 AM minibnz: there is also a toolchanger module it works pretty well im not sure if it will do what you want.. i think it will do what i want, it looked like it was going to before i got a mesa card now i have been distracted and need to get back to that...
08:10 AM minibnz: i have added spindle control and an encoder, sent out for a quote to get the platter parts water cut but i need to get a few more quotes i think to be sure im not getting ripped
08:10 AM minibnz: oh i also have finished off the drawbar..
08:10 AM minibnz: i have one more motor to upgrade then i think its tool platter time..
08:12 AM minibnz: i kept blowing up driver boards for the drawbar.. i gotta sort out something there.. thinking i might just go to relays.. and reset the limit switches in the actuator again..
08:16 AM R2E4_bevins: minibnz: to much current?
08:17 AM minibnz: yeah caused by the piston over traveling and jamming. but to fix that i think i need to bend the arm so the lower position is not so close to the end of the actualtor.
08:23 AM minibnz: i really should look into an adjustable crowbar circuit to drive it but the limits switches should do the job ok too/
08:23 AM R2E4_bevins: yeah but wont it overrun witht the switches?
08:25 AM minibnz: i would keep the lower limit switch and have the upper set at the maximum compression of the springs on the drawbar, then the adjustable current limit will basically set how far the upper travel will be..
08:25 AM minibnz: i just remembered i have to put one more bolt/pin in there so i am still not certain of how much travel i need, i guess once thats done i would only need the limit switches
08:26 AM R2E4_bevins: oops. infinate l;oop on JT's cl-turret sim
08:27 AM minibnz: my drawbar mechanism has a thing to lift the bottom of the springs up off the spindle then it should compress the springs against that lifter but at the moment is just lifts from the bottom rather than pushing down on the top
08:28 AM minibnz: is it looking for a signal from the PLC?
08:29 AM R2E4_bevins: my bad.... I got it. COOL, just figured out how to add variable name to CL gui instead of the dreaded %I00
08:30 AM minibnz: well the O#00 is the way the bandaids will work..
08:30 AM minibnz: i think there is a limit of 32 outputs..
08:32 AM minibnz: so far i have not had to use the classic ladder with my mesa card. i am sure that will change once i get my platter hardware.
08:33 AM minibnz: for the moment i have been using the bare wires of the actuator and a cordless drill battery to change the tool holder when needed,
08:34 AM R2E4_bevins: lol, stand on a ladder with a cordless drill to drive the drawbar? hahaha LMAO
08:34 AM XXCoder: R2E4_bevins: woodgears guy?
08:35 AM minibnz: no i use the battery and connect the wires to the actuator to the battery
08:35 AM minibnz: no drill involved just the battery..
08:35 AM R2E4_bevins: ah
08:35 AM R2E4_bevins: XXCoder: huh?
08:36 AM minibnz: until i decide on how i am going to drive it, i have blown two lm298 boards and they are a PITA to change in and out..
08:36 AM XXCoder: I thought you was talking about woodgears guy he made stand on thing that he uses drill to move around when up there
08:36 AM R2E4_bevins: Your talking about Marius
08:37 AM XXCoder: no https://woodgears.ca/scaffold/motorize.html
08:37 AM R2E4_bevins: ok so I can get the tool number in the CL with S32
08:37 AM R2E4_bevins: Yeah thats Marius
08:38 AM R2E4_bevins: I made a few things of his. He lives not far from me.
08:38 AM minibnz: oh wow.. ohas would love that..
08:38 AM XXCoder: names Matthias Wandel
08:38 AM R2E4_bevins: yeah Matthias
08:38 AM XXCoder: minibnz: looked simple to do
08:39 AM R2E4_bevins: Everything he does looks simple....... But, damn he is precise with no CNC....
08:39 AM minibnz: yeah i would swap the drills out for BBQ spit motors. that have an acceptable top speed then slow them down
08:39 AM XXCoder: years of woodshop.
08:39 AM R2E4_bevins: HE drives his scaffolding with an electric drill....lol
08:40 AM XXCoder: pros always make it look easy
08:40 AM minibnz: otherwise his work is pretty good..
08:40 AM minibnz: way prettier than i could ever do..
08:40 AM minibnz: i am slowly getting better..
08:40 AM minibnz: gotta put more care in...
08:41 AM minibnz: the drill jig i just made for a mate is pretty neat.. i need to flap wheel it just a little to get the pipe all the way in but it should work pretty well
08:42 AM R2E4_bevins: ok so with iocontrol I can get tool request, toolnumber with an S32 word, so I know which spindle to enable.
08:42 AM minibnz: i started to measure up the holes to see how round they ended up, but the setting up and resetting up resulted in a roundish hole
08:43 AM R2E4_bevins: roundish as in not completely round?
08:43 AM minibnz: nice detective work..
08:44 AM minibnz: yeah before i made them a bit bigger and moved the centres inwards they were pretty close to round but after i moved them it was not so neat.
08:44 AM minibnz: it should work the amount i need to take off its not worth trying to do on the mill i can just sand it with a flapp wheel on a die grinder
08:45 AM minibnz: will only be a few seconds then the U bend will go all the way to the stop and be ready for drilling
08:46 AM minibnz: the holes ended up being 39mm diameter thru a 65mm block of aluminium
08:46 AM R2E4_bevins: IS there a way to get the CL to load in the second monitor, I am getting tired of moving Lcnc to get to CL behind it...... Thats anoying...
08:47 AM minibnz: spec sheet said they should have been 38mm at 116mm center but the samples i have are bit off so i had to allow a little
08:48 AM minibnz: oh that was pissing me off too.. my screen is above my eyeline to my right and i get a sore neck looking at it.. i ended up setting the other screen as the main screen so all of linuxcnc opens there, but that lead to scaling issues i could live with for whati was doing
08:49 AM minibnz: are you on ubuntu?
08:49 AM R2E4_bevins: debian
08:49 AM XXCoder: CL?
08:49 AM R2E4_bevins: yeah CL
08:50 AM minibnz: you should be able to move the linux main screen to the other screen then when you open the CL editor it will open up on the other screen?
08:50 AM minibnz: i think there is a screen commmand in the ini file
08:50 AM minibnz: but it sucks to have to do that for debug work then change it all to do real work
08:51 AM R2E4_bevins: It needs a last window position....
08:52 AM R2E4_bevins: place it one time..... and forget about it until done debugging and working on it
08:54 AM R2E4_bevins: oooh axis position logger.....
08:59 AM chopper79: morning
08:59 AM minibnz: ok bedtime for me..
08:59 AM minibnz: will talk wit h you all later.
09:00 AM R2E4_bevins: c-ya minibnz
09:00 AM R2E4_bevins: hey chopper
09:00 AM chopper79: howdy
09:00 AM R2E4_bevins: howz the CL ATC coming?
09:00 AM chopper79: I decided to stop at 3am
09:01 AM R2E4_bevins: you using iocontrol?
09:01 AM chopper79: I can not get the counter to work how I want.
09:02 AM chopper79: carraige just keeps rotating then reverses, and repeats
09:02 AM chopper79: Using iocontrol yes
09:02 AM R2E4_bevins: you have a pulse for each tool and an index?
09:03 AM chopper79: goal was to use the iocontrol and go .... current ool compared to requested tool.
09:03 AM chopper79: Yes pulse for each tool pocket and a reset at tool 1
09:03 AM chopper79: pulse and tool one idex work fine. It will count to tool 20 and then reset back to 1 when the tool 1 pocket is reached.
09:04 AM chopper79: I think it is a math issue in my compare value
09:05 AM R2E4_bevins: I have to do that today also, except I have to compare the tool thats selected then fire a relay based on tool number.
09:06 AM chopper79: %IW0-%IW1>C0.V= goes to cw rotation then %IW0-%IW1<C0.v= ccw rotation.
09:07 AM chopper79: The carriage will rotate cw then when it hits some number (I can keep track) it reverses. IW0 = current tool and IW1 = requested tool
09:07 AM chopper79: just keeps repeating this and never stops
09:08 AM R2E4_bevins: How are you determining which direction? you want the closet for the cw or ccw rotation?
09:09 AM chopper79: %IW0-%IW1>C0.V= goes to cw rotation then %IW0-%IW1<C0.v= ccw rotation. If C0 value is less or more then the math equation then it fires the respective cw or ccw output
09:10 AM chopper79: I am thinking its in the math that the issue occurs
09:12 AM R2E4_bevins: it should never go past the index.
09:13 AM chopper79: agree
09:14 AM chopper79: once pocket 1 arrives it resets the counter to 1
09:14 AM R2E4_bevins: initialize it at the index pos 1? then if greater than 10 go CW less than 10 go CCW =10 go cw
09:14 AM R2E4_bevins: something like that?
09:14 AM chopper79: did that... same result
09:15 AM R2E4_bevins: does it go in the right direction?
09:15 AM chopper79: excluding I used 9 for one and 10 for the other as if I used 10 for both I did not see how a >=10 and a <=10 would work
09:16 AM chopper79: The rotation will change but will not stop at requested pocket
09:16 AM chopper79: equated pocket
09:16 AM R2E4_bevins: oh, so part of the logic is working. You sure CL has the requested tool?
09:19 AM chopper79: I am using i0.control.tool-prepare for the requested tool and in halmeter it shows up with the correct tool in the value when I request the tool number. I am wondering if I am not getting the current tool in though iocontrol.tool-number as its value always shows zero
09:21 AM chopper79: Also tried pre-pocket and pep-tool to see if anything changes regading the tool requested. Came back to using tool-prepare
09:22 AM R2E4_bevins: that gets set after tool change first time. If no tool has been selected there will be none.
09:22 AM R2E4_bevins: I dont know how to initially set it.
09:22 AM R2E4_bevins: tool.prepare is requested tool.
09:23 AM chopper79: so the current tool value is the one I am wondering if it is not getting in...... that would kinda make sense also and the math is current tool - requested tool >= counter value then go cw. If the current tool is not seen then the equation has nothing to equate
09:25 AM R2E4_bevins: if current tool =0 then there is no tool in spindle else go get requested tool
09:26 AM R2E4_bevins: once prepare3d is true it should have current tool
09:26 AM R2E4_bevins: thats the way I see it, I have no idea hoiw to do it yet.... though....lol
09:26 AM chopper79: current tool 0 - requested tool 6 = -6 pocket which would be less than counter value (1) then the mag should rotate ccw 6 counts thens top
09:27 AM chopper79: maybe not....hmmm
09:27 AM R2E4_bevins: Is it doing that or is it not stopping?
09:27 AM chopper79: not stopping just keeps going until the count reaches the other compare for cw and then reverses and goes until the count reaches first compare... rinse and repeat.
09:28 AM Tom_itx: JT-Shop, is there some place in the docs that list the components with each associated pin io?
09:28 AM R2E4_bevins: then the counters not working.
09:31 AM Tom_itx is now known as Tom_L
09:31 AM chopper79: counter is counting the pocket pulses and the reset at pocket one.
09:31 AM chopper79: count increaese whit every pocket. Never decreases through when the direction is reversed.....hmmmmaybe that is the issue. Use dual counters?
09:31 AM R2E4_bevins: what are you doing when you reach the count?
09:31 AM chopper79: i do not understand
09:31 AM R2E4_bevins: The counter needs to do something when you reach your count
09:31 AM R2E4_bevins: like stop the turret
09:31 AM chopper79: it does not....
09:31 AM R2E4_bevins: you using just one counter?
09:32 AM R2E4_bevins: reset counter at count?
09:32 AM chopper79: yes I am so i was thinking maybe I need to use two and then when ccw is activated it send a signal to the D on that counter which minues a count
09:34 AM R2E4_bevins: I'll look at JT's turret example
09:34 AM chopper79: I will think about this for a bti. I need to go get some bussfuses..... When I wired up my mill I put some small fuses in my diconnect and last night I finally blew them out. When I was appling the brakes to the carriage forward motor and rotation motar. I guess 5a fuses on each leg are a bit small for a full vmc...haha
09:35 AM chopper79: I used the small fuses as a safetly thing when I first hooked it up. Easier to smoke a set of 5a fused then have the wrong size in a burn the mill up
09:36 AM chopper79: 3ph current draw on the mill is 45a and I was fused at 15a
09:38 AM chopper79: The more parts I added to get the mill working finally took its toll on the poor 5a fuses. So I am running to the store now and get some fuses. I will be back on after I get life in the lines again.
09:38 AM JT-Shop: Tom_L: the man pages and html docs have a full listing, the HAL section has a partial list
09:48 AM Tom_L: do you know what section of the html it's in?
09:48 AM R2E4_bevins: JT-Shop: tool offset for the axis in the tool table, is that offset in current coords (G54) in ref 0,0?
09:53 AM JT-Shop: the bottom of the main screen
09:53 AM JT-Shop: R2E4_bevins: depends on how you put the info in
09:53 AM Tom_L: the pdf's are a little hard to follow since the names are cut off
09:53 AM Tom_L: in the index
09:54 AM JT-Shop: did you find the html man pages?
09:54 AM Tom_L: yeah
09:54 AM JT-Shop: I don't think I ordered enough SSD's
09:55 AM Tom_L: everyone wants one?
09:55 AM JT-Shop: one guy wants both of them lol
09:55 AM JT-Shop: still waiting for them to arrive
09:56 AM R2E4_bevins: whats an SSD?
09:57 AM Tom_L: where would i look for the pins/signals associated with tool prefetch?
09:58 AM Tom_L: R2E4_bevins solid state drive
09:58 AM Tom_L: opposed to HDD
09:58 AM R2E4_bevins: AH
09:59 AM R2E4_bevins: loading them with Mibnt and LCNC?
09:59 AM R2E4_bevins: Whats the price for them?
09:59 AM Tom_L: i wondered if you could use tool prefetch for your spindle calls
09:59 AM Tom_L: R2E4_bevins ^^
09:59 AM R2E4_bevins: is there and iocontrol?
09:59 AM R2E4_bevins: for prefetch?
09:59 AM Tom_L: that's what i'm trying to find out
10:00 AM Tom_L: https://mesaus.com/index.php?route=product/category&path=68
10:00 AM jthornton: yea tool prepare
10:00 AM Tom_L: R2E4_bevins ninety five bux
10:00 AM Tom_L: i'm betting they're out of stock though
10:01 AM jthornton: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/man/man1/iocontrol.1.html
10:02 AM R2E4_bevins: prep-number
10:02 AM Tom_L: maybe that will help you on your way
10:02 AM R2E4_bevins: I'm going to use that then comapre 1 2 or 3 and then slect the spindle
10:03 AM R2E4_bevins: looking into the logistics and details with JT's turret example
10:05 AM R2E4_bevins: I h ave to fix my other two buttons on the spindle...... in CL
10:05 AM R2E4_bevins: first I have to find how to up my i/o for CL
10:06 AM R2E4_bevins: 95 bones is a good price for SSD loaded with Mint and LCNC
10:06 AM R2E4_bevins: or is that just the drive?
10:06 AM Tom_L: loaded
10:06 AM jthornton: add num_Aio or Dio to the loadrt line
10:07 AM Tom_L: dunno which os he offers loaded
10:07 AM jthornton: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/ladder/classic-ladder.html#_variables
10:07 AM jthornton: Linux Mint 17.3
10:08 AM R2E4_bevins: thats what I was looking for. Thanks
10:08 AM jthornton: so much for memory numPhysInputs numPhysOutputs
10:08 AM Tom_L: JT-Shop you better get more :D
10:08 AM jthornton: yea I think so
10:30 AM chopper79: dannnnng these little fuses are exspensive.
10:31 AM chopper79: $13.00 for two and I need three. Could have packed them in 3 counts...
10:31 AM chopper79: oh well time to see if the mill fires back up
10:35 AM chopper79: its alive...
10:36 AM chopper79: ok so now I am back..... onto the tool changer some more.
10:42 AM R2E4_bevins: JT-Shop: Regulated my problem with CL, with timiong issue.
10:43 AM R2E4_bevins: did not use HAL type inputs when no hal pin accociated. this created a timing issue I guess. Anyway, that fixed the problem.
10:46 AM chopper79: need to manage count down and count up in CL. The counter has a up count and down count input. The prox switch is connected to the up count inout on the timer. This functions well. The issue is I need to down count I think when going the opposite rotation. As of now either rotation direction counts up.
10:46 AM chopper79: not timer...counter
10:46 AM Loetmichel_: *grumblemumble* my mother just called to whish me a quick happy birthday... and then to prat more than an hour about how bad life is these days and that the flat has to be renovated and so on... maaan, why didnt i sleep a bit longer today?
10:48 AM chopper79: hmmm....dual counters. One on the cw output and one on the ccw output.
10:48 AM chopper79: need to see if the prox can be connected to both timers with no issue. Do not see why not but..
10:51 AM chopper79: the prox switch and one timer is dumb and does not know that direction was changed. It just sees a count. Any objections to why I shoul dnot look at dual timers for doing ATC
10:51 AM chopper79: ?
10:54 AM chopper79: Still would need to find a way to compare the two counters to the current tool and requested tool and figure out which way to go. Maybe dual timers will not work
10:55 AM chopper79: *counters
11:00 AM R2E4_bevins: Still doing it.
11:02 AM R2E4_bevins: use a CL relay nc count down no count up and select which one you want to use depending on which way you have to turn.
11:04 AM chopper79: dual timers did not do it
11:04 AM chopper79: counters
11:04 AM chopper79: I have to quit doing that
11:05 AM chopper79: did not know there was relays in CL
11:22 AM R2E4_bevins: BX on an output is an internal relay and BX on an input is an internal input
11:23 AM R2E4_bevins: You cant pin those in HAL
11:25 AM JT-Shop: chopper79: have the cw bit enable the up count and the ccw bit enable the down count or the other way around
11:34 AM chopper79: ok...let me give that a shot. Do I need to worry about the compare right now? Just wanting to see if the up and down count is working right?
11:39 AM JT-Shop: work out one detail at a time
11:41 AM R2E4_bevins: I think I figured out my problem. CL calls a rung and has grid to create like 6 col. I was creating a few rungs within the rung. When I created my third spindle lock and release, I seperated it and It has yet to fire both at the same time.
11:42 AM R2E4_bevins: nope, just did it.
12:02 PM chopper79: Having trouble wit the bits. Not sure how to assign them in hal
12:02 PM chopper79: in CL %B0 -> %B???
12:02 PM chopper79: Then in hal classicladder.0.xxxxx
12:02 PM chopper79: ?
12:19 PM archivist: chopper79, your outputs are the "coils" see http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/ladder/classic-ladder.html#_variable_assignment
12:20 PM archivist: docs for classic ladder look clear as black mud
12:24 PM chopper79: agreed... That document is a sticky on my laptop screen.
12:25 PM R2E4_bevins: %B doesnt connect in HAL, %B is used internal to CL only.
12:25 PM chopper79: that makes more sense then
12:25 PM chopper79: thanks
12:26 PM chopper79: I have seen that there is a carousel component out there some where that handles this homing and counting of the changer. Is this true?
12:26 PM chopper79: If so does it work well?
12:27 PM pcw_home: man carousel
12:27 PM chopper79: pulled it up as you sent that
12:30 PM chopper79: I think I may give the carousel component and CL a try together.
12:39 PM jasen: hi all
12:39 PM jasen: https://youtu.be/iACXC3MJxMk
12:51 PM R2E4_bevins: gscreen?
12:54 PM jasen: no
12:54 PM jasen: C++ and fltk
01:04 PM nubcake: hi
01:14 PM R2E4_bevins: Jasen: is it released?
01:14 PM jasen: not yet , still working on some implementations
02:15 PM JT-Shop: I hope I didn't hose my dgarr/external-offsets branch... can download a fresh one till the morning :(
02:15 PM BeachBumPete: Jasen HOLY CRAP that is awesome...I mean aside from the color choices ;)
02:16 PM jasen: colors are user define , in the .ini file
02:16 PM BeachBumPete: Beautiful..
02:16 PM BeachBumPete: whats the purpose of the zoning tho?
02:17 PM jasen: ? zoning 2?
02:17 PM BeachBumPete: at about 1:09
02:18 PM BeachBumPete: is that some sort of alternate machining envelope settings?
02:18 PM jasen: its separate zone
02:19 PM jasen: that part is exchangable , so anu config can be added
02:19 PM jasen: its for the vacuum
02:19 PM BeachBumPete: I did not mean it was a problem just never seen it before
02:19 PM jasen: you have zone and pice size
02:20 PM BeachBumPete: Love the diagnostics graphical pages
02:20 PM BeachBumPete: also like the axis zero buttons
02:22 PM BeachBumPete: I think the most interesting thing to me is the wear option in the tool table... that is a very cool thing I have yet to figure out how to do in the standard easily.. perhaps I am missing something..
02:24 PM BeachBumPete: well gotta machine some parts man good luck it looks great so far...
02:44 PM JT-Shop: yep I hosed the branch... try again in the morning :(
02:44 PM Tom_L: woops
02:45 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, you haven't written any CL examples or tutorial yet?
02:45 PM JT-Shop: yea stupid merge conflict when I did a git pull
02:45 PM Tom_L: yet...
02:45 PM JT-Shop: yea
02:45 PM Tom_L: that's something i don't get yet
02:45 PM JT-Shop: even have a crude video
02:45 PM Tom_L: haven't a need for it but don't get it
02:45 PM JT-Shop: watch the video first
02:46 PM Tom_L: k
02:46 PM sync_: just do a shallow clone?
02:47 PM JT-Shop: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JONq1hoXMYQ
02:47 PM JT-Shop: I've erased the directory lol
02:47 PM sync_: still possible
02:47 PM JT-Shop: whenever I get a merge conflict I just give up and download the whole thing again during free time
02:55 PM Tom_L: how do you attach it to lcnc signals?
02:55 PM Tom_L: do you use nets for that?
02:55 PM os1r1s: Do you typically tap a drawbar with a rubber mallet or a metal hammer/
02:56 PM os1r1s: Once loosened
02:56 PM Tom_L: happy medium... deadblow
02:57 PM os1r1s: k
02:58 PM JT-Shop: Tom_L: yea classicladder creates pins just like anything else
02:59 PM Tom_L: use the &Bxx var names ?
03:00 PM Tom_L: err %Bxx
03:10 PM JT-Shop: %B is an internal bit
03:11 PM JT-Shop: in da booook http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/ladder/classic-ladder.html#_classic_ladder_variables
04:10 PM Deejay: gn8
04:37 PM R2E4_bevins: BeachBumPete: Zoning is used in point to point wood router machines.
04:38 PM R2E4_bevins: The idea is while it is working in one zone, usually left and right, you can get the other zone ready when that one is done and it will moce over to the second, then you can setup the first zone.
04:38 PM R2E4_bevins: Called "mirroring" in that world.
04:39 PM R2E4_bevins: oops, Pete is gone...
04:57 PM gregcnc: Is that somehow different than work offsets?
05:04 PM R2E4_bevins: yes and no. The CAM software is built so you just set the mirror in Zone A and B after they have been set and thats all. the CAM does everything else. Thats with the point to point router tables.
05:05 PM R2E4_bevins: Plus it has sensors that switch opposite so you can work in the zones that are not being cut in.
05:12 PM JT-Shop: dang added a pin to my component and installed it again but it don't show up
05:13 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, sent you a couple links
05:15 PM JT-Shop: ah that was you :)
05:15 PM Tom_L: yeah couple SSD in that pc i swap between. never know who i am really :D
05:20 PM JT-Shop: screw that component I'm tired of trying to get it to show the damn pins
05:33 PM JT-Shop2: https://mintguide.org/system/323-optimizing-linux-mint-for-the-solid-state-drive-ssd.html
05:33 PM XXCoder: "no longer relevant for latest distr"
05:33 PM R2E4_bevins: Finally, got it working correctly JT
05:33 PM JT-Shop2: yea
05:33 PM R2E4_bevins: Had to shorten the delay drastically. Then it all worked perfectly.
05:33 PM R2E4_bevins: delay on the debounce.
05:34 PM JT-Shop2: cool
05:34 PM R2E4_bevins: at 200 I guess the window was too big and it caught some of the bounce...
05:35 PM R2E4_bevins: I didnt try upping it to find out where the issue was.
05:36 PM R2E4_bevins: Now all is left is the tool changer, but will work on spindle select first.
05:37 PM JT-Shop2: we never use the "latest distros" lol
05:38 PM XXCoder: I guess it means any current one but yeah its very unclear
05:38 PM XXCoder: what if I have version that's older, how do I know it is within range, not too old or new?
05:39 PM os1r1s: How do I reverse an axis in the ini file? I thikn I'm losing my mind ....
05:39 PM Tom_L: negative scale
05:39 PM Tom_L: invert it
05:39 PM os1r1s: step_scale?
05:40 PM JT-Shop2: aye
05:40 PM Tom_L: SCALE = -40000 for each axis section for example
05:40 PM Tom_L: or has that been depreciated already
05:41 PM os1r1s: I don't have SCALE in my axis sections
05:41 PM os1r1s: I do have STEP_SCALE
05:41 PM Tom_L: you could add it
05:41 PM Tom_L: or use STEP_SCALE i suppose
05:41 PM Tom_L: but not both
05:42 PM os1r1s: I'll try to make that negative and see what happens
05:43 PM R2E4_bevins: be close to your estop
05:43 PM JT-Shop2: lol
05:44 PM os1r1s: haha
05:45 PM XXCoder: "close" is wrong word. keep touching it
05:51 PM R2E4_bevins: I think he died.
05:51 PM os1r1s: I'm here :P
05:51 PM R2E4_bevins: lol
05:51 PM XXCoder: zombie responded? wow
05:53 PM R2E4_bevins: CL is not listening to what I am saying.......
06:02 PM Cromaglious_: wooo hoooo speed control is working great!
06:02 PM Cromaglious_: it's still a bit hunty...
06:04 PM Cromaglious_: I set it to 2000 in linuxcnc and the arduino reads it as 2800rpm and then tries to keep the spindlenear that rpm no matter the load. I have to get the scaling incorporated...
06:11 PM Cromaglious_: dang it...
06:24 PM JT-Shop: finally sorted out the damn typo on the thc2 component
06:33 PM JT-Shop: say goodnight Gracie
06:48 PM Tom_L: goodnight JimBob
07:01 PM Cromaglious_: just milled my first piece of AL 4mm 2 flute carbide DOC 2mm FR 25mm/m S950 actual RPM around 1800
07:01 PM Cromaglious_: I couldn't have done that with out the speed control
07:02 PM XXCoder: nice
07:02 PM XXCoder: first chips with spindle eh
07:03 PM Cromaglious_: first chips with spindle arduino speed control
07:03 PM XXCoder: ahh
07:03 PM Cromaglious_: no more potentiometer
07:04 PM Cromaglious_: m3 s950
07:04 PM Cromaglious_: m1z-51.5
07:04 PM Cromaglious_: m1z-51.5F25
07:04 PM XXCoder: though why is actual rpm twice s commanded?
07:04 PM Cromaglious_: I haven't gotten the mapping right..
07:05 PM XXCoder: I need to test spindle lol
07:05 PM Cromaglious_: I'm reading off the 0-10v on the BOB using a resister dividing bridge into the arduino
07:05 PM XXCoder: I guess can just directly plug psu to board to spindle, and use speed knob to test it
07:06 PM Cromaglious_: S12000 only turns in 11000rpm
07:06 PM Cromaglious_: my next receiver is going to be so pretty!
07:07 PM XXCoder: I plan to use tachmeter to montior rpm
07:07 PM XXCoder: has em here just need to get 12v and 5v dc-dc convertors first
07:07 PM Cromaglious_: arduino is also my tach every 500 PID loops it serial prints
07:09 PM Tom_L: Cromaglious_, add the PID component to it
07:10 PM Tom_L: nm
07:10 PM Tom_L: guess you already did
07:10 PM Cromaglious_: Tom_L, hehe
07:10 PM Tom_L: that snapped mine to life..
07:12 PM Cromaglious_: it's so nice to run a spindle speed that cuts with a real tooth load instead of a rubbing to keep the motor from stalling
07:13 PM XXCoder: random thought, do you guys resharp or somehow recondition endmills?
07:13 PM Cromaglious_: not yet...
07:14 PM Cromaglious_: stan bar Z sharpens with using a 5c index jig he's built on his surface grinder
07:16 PM Cromaglious_: I'm considering using a dremel with a diamond wheel to sharp my 2mm, 3mm, and 4mm endmills
07:16 PM XXCoder: I saw machine to regrind puncher tools. interesting'
07:16 PM XXCoder: but I dont ever see any tools reconditioned at work
07:16 PM XXCoder: so that made me wonder
07:19 PM Tom_L: if i did, i'd send em out to a shop that does it for a living
07:20 PM Tom_L: worth it on large tools
07:20 PM Tom_L: maybe not so much on small ones
07:20 PM Cromaglious_: I saw a youtube video of someone using cnc to sharpen endmills using a crazy fast tool post grinder
07:21 PM XXCoder: interesting
07:22 PM XXCoder: it seems to me that company i work for just throw em away
07:22 PM XXCoder: dunno
07:22 PM XXCoder: to be fair most of em got chipped
07:23 PM Cromaglious_: I have more busted than chipped. I'd like to rescue some of the chipped ones.
07:24 PM Cromaglious_: I could turn them into ballend mills
07:24 PM Tom_L: i've done that before
07:24 PM Tom_L: by hand
07:24 PM Tom_L: and a gage
07:24 PM Tom_L: or bull nose
07:24 PM Cromaglious_: I need to get a grinder that'll handle carbide
07:24 PM Cromaglious_: at least wheels...
07:30 PM Cromaglious_: Been looking at those er collet chuck shafts... ER16 with a 10mm shaft or a ER25 with a 19mm x 150mm shaft
07:31 PM Cromaglious_: thinking about getting one of those and making a spindle out of it drive it with a brushless RC motor
07:35 PM SpeedEvil: 8mm shaft motors are readily available
07:36 PM SpeedEvil: more is not really
07:36 PM SpeedEvil: - for the option of pressing out the existing shaft, replacing the bearings with nice ones if you want, and then replacing with a shaft
07:36 PM gregcnc: The tricky thing about making a spindle is balancing it
07:36 PM Cromaglious_: I want to be able to gear it down.
07:37 PM gregcnc: why would you gear down a grinding spindle?
07:38 PM SpeedEvil: https://hobbyking.com/en_us/turnigy-9014-105kv-brushless-multi-rotor-motor-bldc.html - they go to quite slow indeed
07:39 PM Cromaglious_: I want a GP spindle... use it as a grinder geared up, or as a milling spindle geared down
07:39 PM SpeedEvil: you can also in principle (and I think some have) make up a replacement shaft that is a lot larger than the original, and merely carries a motor
07:39 PM SpeedEvil: with the original motor bearings removed
07:41 PM gregcnc: I've seen an 8mm ER holder used in place of the shaft in a an outrunner. This is OK but the motor is exposed.
07:42 PM SpeedEvil: No reason not to add a shield
07:42 PM SpeedEvil: gregcnc: yeah - I have a suitable 8mm shaft ER11 thing on my ebay list
07:43 PM Cromaglious_: Now that I can actually "mill" AL, I can start making plans.
07:43 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiIS8vlgQBI Balancing
07:43 PM gregcnc: They can be hit or miss on runout. The last one I read about was .005" out
07:44 PM Cromaglious_: Watch ChrisB's video he released today about a R8 ER32 holder from bang no good
07:45 PM CaptHindsight: took me 11 months to find the safe place that I had left something :)
07:45 PM gregcnc: after you moved it all to a new shop?
07:46 PM CaptHindsight: never put anything in a safe place when you have had no sleep in 40 hours
07:46 PM os1r1s: Ugg, first cut on the mill and the circles are out of round in the Y direction ...
07:46 PM gregcnc: I found a 1/4 ratchet under the lathe. had been wondering where it was for a couple weeks at least
07:47 PM XXCoder: CaptHindsight: intesting but uim uncertain what is being balanced. lathe chuck?
07:47 PM gregcnc: it's a demo
07:47 PM CaptHindsight: I've found about 90% of the things in the new shop so far
07:47 PM XXCoder: oh
07:47 PM gregcnc: that's not bad i always think it would take months
07:47 PM CaptHindsight: it's been a few weeks of Husker Du
07:48 PM CaptHindsight: XXCoder: demo of how you balance a rotating mass
07:49 PM XXCoder: ya like greg said. interesting indeed :)
07:49 PM XXCoder: I wonder if something similiar can be done with my spindle, since it has set screw
07:49 PM XXCoder: I might add shim on other side to counter offcenter due to that
07:49 PM gregcnc: i balanced my spindle, and once you understand what's happening it's not hard, but you also have to design with somewhere to put balance weights
07:49 PM CaptHindsight: gregcnc: the good thing about moving is finally throwing things away that you haven't touched in years
07:50 PM SpeedEvil: Balance weights? I have an angle grinder
07:50 PM gregcnc: grinding is OK, but again you have to be able to access it and want to grind it away
07:50 PM XXCoder: greg chinese spindle is likely to not have a way to do so. no worries though as my machine itself is not wow fancy machine
07:51 PM gregcnc: I'm trying to clean stuff up, it's terrible with oneday.. projects and buying something you only kinda needed
07:54 PM gregcnc: if I did auctions regularly I'd be buried
07:55 PM XXCoder: like one of hoarders eh
07:55 PM SpeedEvil: I have a box of ~30 seccateurs.
07:56 PM SpeedEvil: As one example - when I finished up cleaning and rationalising and sorting things into boxes. (mostly)
07:56 PM SpeedEvil: (cleaning up parents place)
07:56 PM gregcnc: i went to see a clausing 8520 mill locally once, the guy had a warehuouse full on machining stuff just scattered all over the ground.
07:57 PM XXCoder: with more modern days of having so many stuff I cant imange cleaning up after adult person death
07:57 PM gregcnc: i had to try not to kill myself getting to it, then wondered how it would come out if bought it
08:07 PM gregcnc: power company must have switched the tap on the transformer, my voltage is back to reasonable levels
08:11 PM SpeedEvil: yay
08:13 PM XXCoder: gregcnc: you might ask for discount if you have to play "block out of jam" game with that mill. :P
08:17 PM gregcnc: weather has been mild, so i think demand dropped and voltage climbed. I saw 262V one day
08:24 PM insomnia is now known as ApocalypseCow
08:47 PM XXCoder: http://www.banggood.com/3D-Printer-T8-12481214mm-600mm-Lead-Screw-8mm-Thread-With-Copper-Nut-For-Stepper-Motor-p-1112699.html
08:47 PM XXCoder: surpising cheap
08:48 PM malcom2073: XXCoder: I wonder if you doubled up those nuts with a spring between, if it'd be reasonably good anti-backlash
08:48 PM XXCoder: I saw such, not sure how that antibacklash works
08:49 PM malcom2073: The spring presses the bolts apart, as long as your force doesn't overwhelm the spring force it's no backlash
08:49 PM XXCoder: so strong spring needed?
08:50 PM XXCoder: also do I bolt on to one or both?
08:50 PM jdh: the nuts have to be bolted together
08:51 PM jdh: the better the anti-backlash fix, the more the nut wears though
08:52 PM malcom2073: Yeah stronger than your movement force.
08:52 PM SpeedEvil: the nuts don't need bolted together
08:52 PM SpeedEvil: they need fixed so the distance can float a little
08:52 PM SpeedEvil: with the spring applying pressure in between
08:52 PM XXCoder: interesting. though if I buy those, it would be for delta printer not mill machine
08:54 PM XXCoder: I have ballscrews on my machine, and I have extra set for dunno lol
08:56 PM XXCoder: HMM
08:56 PM XXCoder: delta mill heh
08:57 PM malcom2073: Have you seen the video of that?
08:57 PM XXCoder: no
08:57 PM gregcnc: i was about to day
08:57 PM gregcnc: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51jICcUkhhM
08:57 PM malcom2073: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_UmhUjZhNo
08:57 PM malcom2073: Heh
08:57 PM malcom2073: same one
08:58 PM XXCoder: hmm thats pretty cool
08:59 PM XXCoder: interesting that its different type of delta, but then it can twist change angle so on
08:59 PM XXCoder: I wonder how they do cam.
08:59 PM malcom2073: Probably normal 5 axis cam, and let linuxcnc do the magic
09:00 PM XXCoder: thats probably better way yeah
09:00 PM gregcnc: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TowJZQi-qY
09:02 PM XXCoder: thats at same time awesome and scary
09:02 PM gregcnc: i worked for a company that was going to license this tech https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnBwi9ZAGlw I may even still have some prints
09:04 PM XXCoder: I wonder why that isnt seen anywhere now
09:04 PM XXCoder: the earlier video not recent one
09:19 PM os1r1s: Anyone mill alum angle before?
09:19 PM SpeedEvil: Probably ending up as more expensive.
09:21 PM os1r1s: I mean use end mills to cut/engrave it
09:21 PM SpeedEvil: os1r1s: with what.
09:22 PM os1r1s: SpeedEvil Cutting say, stepper mounts in one side of alum angle with an end mill
09:23 PM SpeedEvil: os1r1s: With a large bridgeport, or with a 3d printer you've duct taped a dremel to?
09:23 PM os1r1s: With a g0704 size mill
09:23 PM os1r1s: Certainly capable of milling 1/8" alum
09:24 PM gregcnc: what is the concern?
09:25 PM os1r1s: gregcnc I'm milling some holes in it and they are coming out oblong. Wondering if its a mechanical issue or the way the angle was secured
09:25 PM SpeedEvil: CNC or manual milling.
09:26 PM os1r1s: CNC
09:27 PM jdh: half in a vise and the half you are cutting wobbling up top?
09:27 PM os1r1s: jdh Yes :)
09:27 PM os1r1s: The alum angle is 1/8" thick 1.5,1.5"
09:28 PM jdh: can you put some scrap material under it for support?
09:28 PM os1r1s: Possibly. Its a bad first test piece to make sure I don't have some other issue
09:29 PM XXCoder: its fairly easy to get scrap wood
09:29 PM os1r1s: I could see it wobbling with only one leg in a mount. But I'm not sure that would cause out of round circles
09:30 PM os1r1s: Thats what I was trying to get some advice
09:30 PM jdh: oblong in the direction of the clamped leg?
09:30 PM os1r1s: The circles are wider in X, narrower in Y
09:30 PM os1r1s: So like eggs if you look on
09:31 PM os1r1s: Well, not eggs, but that direction
09:31 PM SpeedEvil: Watching while it cuts can tell you a hell of a lot.
09:31 PM SpeedEvil: Is the spindle deflecting, ...
09:31 PM os1r1s: It didn't appear to be vibrating.
09:31 PM jdh: clamp a pice of flat stock in and see if it is the machine
09:31 PM os1r1s: jdh I think that is what I'm going to have to do ...
09:31 PM jdh: I've cut angle brackets like that, but didn't need any precision and wasn't cutting any holes big enough to care about
09:32 PM os1r1s: These are pretty small holes
09:32 PM os1r1s: Most are < 5MM. Some are less than 3mm
09:32 PM TechratTab: The material is likely to deflect more perpendicular to the vise jaw than paralell to the vise jaw. This could make the holes larger parallel to the jaw
09:32 PM jdh: also face milled some 316 that was completely unsupported (hanging off the side of the vise) with no issues
09:48 PM chopper79: evening all
09:49 PM chopper79: In classic ladder I am trying to reset an output by using the (R) coil and the output is not resetting. Any ideas?
09:53 PM chopper79: ATC is almost finished but without being able to reset (2) outputs I can not get the magazine to finish its cycle.
09:56 PM chopper79: Collet release is activated to make the tool release and then mag down output is activated to make the magazine go down. Once the new tool is in position I am trying to reset the mag down output I activated in first step which will make the mag go back up. Once mag is up the tool is inserted and the mag up limit is activated. This then tells classic ladder to reset the collet release output which will close the collet. Then the collet closed limit is ac
09:56 PM chopper79: I can not get those two outputs to reset with (R) coil
09:57 PM chopper79: long winded but needed to tell the whole story and action trying to be achieved.
10:04 PM jdh: how do you set them
10:05 PM chopper79: They outputs are set by contacting limits -> 7i77 input -> 7i77 output to activate mag down pneumatic valve.
10:06 PM chopper79: By resetting that CL output that activates the hal signla to the 7i77 should allow the spring retrun magazine to go up and contact the upper limit which then allows classic to proced to next action
10:07 PM chopper79: (R) output in CL should reset the output it is assigned... am I wrong on this?
10:23 PM minibnz: yay i just installed my new motors on the X & Y axis they are so much better it looks like i can now move at 240mm/min without missing steps. i think thats gotta be plenty fast enough
10:24 PM chopper79: glad to hear this
10:24 PM chopper79: always nice to make some progress
10:24 PM minibnz: 60mm/min but thats ok i will look into doing something to that in the future... maybe i wont use the handle on Z axis so much so i can get rid of that..
10:25 PM minibnz: was worried when i had to drill out the flex coupler to take the new motor shaft i couldn't hold it all that well and thought i was going to break it so went exta gentle with the drill bits
10:26 PM minibnz: i guess the next trick will be to see if i can rigid tapp with it... i have installed the encoder on the spindle and have speed control, just gotta link the two together
10:28 PM chopper79: cool
10:29 PM Tom_L: pretty easy
10:29 PM Tom_L: i did it on my sherline
10:29 PM minibnz: i just dont know if my motor has enough power and control not to just lunch taps
10:30 PM Tom_L: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g99lUtjLfMU&feature=youtu.be
10:30 PM Tom_L: it will follow the axis
10:30 PM SpeedEvil: I guess single point cutting threads might tell you
10:33 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/configs/sherline/sherline.hal
10:33 PM Tom_L: spindle stuff is near the bottom
10:34 PM Tom_L: minibnz, you have reverse too?
10:34 PM minibnz: yup
10:34 PM Tom_L: should work then
10:34 PM minibnz: G3 G4 all do their thing.
10:34 PM Tom_L: may be limited to small tap sizes
10:35 PM minibnz: thats fine
10:35 PM Tom_L: what mill?
10:35 PM minibnz: i was worried small taps would be out and i would only be able to do big taps
10:35 PM minibnz: i have a X2
10:35 PM Tom_L: dunno what that is
10:35 PM Tom_L: but mine is a stock sherline spindle
10:36 PM minibnz: original motor and controller hacked to accept external speed input. its a sieg X2
10:36 PM Tom_L: i modded the speed control for reverse etc
10:36 PM minibnz: https://www.google.com.au/search?q=sieg+X2+mill&client=firefox-b&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj09qWn5p3SAhVFk5QKHX1yCHIQsAQIMQ&biw=1170&bih=641
10:36 PM Cromaglious_: Iugh... tuning PID's suck!
10:36 PM minibnz: yeah i added relays and a optically issolated pwm to speed interface..
10:37 PM Tom_L: Cromaglious_, a bit yes
10:37 PM minibnz: i have will have to do all that before i put a tap in the collet
10:37 PM minibnz: it confuses the crap out of me
10:38 PM Tom_L: i timed the relays to switch at near zero load
10:42 PM Cromaglious_: still trying to correlate voltage being read by the nano to the spindle speed requested by Linuxcnc
10:42 PM XXCoder: isnt there rpm per volt setting somewhere?
10:43 PM minibnz: XXCoder its hidden between scale min_dc and max_dc its a PITA to sort
10:44 PM Cromaglious_: problem is the voltage is variable at either end. difference between S1 and S500 and S6000 and S12000 is not linear either
10:45 PM XXCoder: whats linear regression result?
10:46 PM Tom_L: the PID should help that
10:47 PM Cromaglious_: so right now I request a lower RPM in the bottom and request a higher rpm the higher I go. 6700rpm is about the same
10:47 PM Tom_L: i don't get super low speed from mine but it's better than it was without PID
10:47 PM Tom_L: by quite a bit
10:48 PM Cromaglious_: ditto here... I can actually get a decent 1500 rpm by requesting S50
10:48 PM Tom_L: i get real close to the requested speed but it's limited in the low range
10:49 PM Tom_L: i forget the lowest i can get but it's <100 rpm iirc
10:49 PM Tom_L: my max is around 5k at best anyway
10:49 PM Cromaglious_: at f25mm/m PID keeps up with a bit of surging to 2900rpm
10:49 PM chopper79: still can not get this classic ladder output to reset with a (R)
11:03 PM MrTrick: I've done some tests with foam and a single upcut spiral, seems to work.
11:03 PM MrTrick: Anyone cut foam before?
11:03 PM MrTrick: Or otherwise, what's the difference between 1,2,3,4 flute upcut endmills?
11:06 PM Cromaglious_: single flutes are nice since you can run them at 4 times the rpm of a 4 flute so a 2 flute at 1500 is the same as a 1 flute at 3000
11:07 PM Cromaglious_: for chiploading
11:08 PM XXCoder: so far single flutes for me is bad experence
11:08 PM XXCoder: maybe its just bad programming at old place I worked at dunno
11:09 PM MrTrick: any thought on something like https://www.aliexpress.com/item/6-101-140mm-lengthened-2-flute-end-mill-customized-wood-milling-cutter-carbide-spiral-router-bits/792259443.html
11:09 PM MrTrick: "Says "Foam" right there (somewhere) on the page!"
11:11 PM MrTrick: (and as much as I'd like to patronise local suppliers over unknowns, haven't had any luck finding something with enough length to pocket ~95mm deep.
11:14 PM chopper79: I am back.... dare pc just locked up and had to do all sorts of weird stuff to get it to turn back on. Last time I buy a Dell laptop
11:17 PM chopper79: spent 1800 on a laptop for me to do all my 3D design work on and this thing has been the biggest POS I have ever owned. If I shut the laptop down all the way or put it in sleep mode I have to pull the battery, unplug the charger, and remove the watch battery form inside the case. Let is sit for about 5min and then repeat process two or three more times and then it will boot. Dell says there is nothing wrong with it......
11:17 PM MrTrick: hmm, straight flute cutters are *almost* long enough.
11:19 PM MrTrick: chopper79: ouch. I had a "sometimes won't come back from standby" issue that was mentioned in a "some laptops have this hardware problem" announcement. Dell sent a guy out to change the motherboard, total time without computer ~10 minutes. (Lucky that $company has ludicrous-class support contract)
11:19 PM XXCoder: dude you're ditching the dell
11:20 PM chopper79: I have sent it to them twice now and same issue. It worked great for about 3 weeks and then an update came through and been funky since.
11:21 PM chopper79: oh well... I will call them again tomorrow and maybe third time will be a charm
11:21 PM chopper79: back to ATC and classic ladder
11:21 PM chopper79: Still can not reset an output in CL with a (R)
11:22 PM chopper79: I want to reset %Q5 and should just be abel to use a coil like (R) and labled for %Q5
11:22 PM chopper79: Just wont reset
11:24 PM chopper79: other then that ATC seems to work
11:31 PM chopper79: (R) coil will only reset a (S) coil?
11:32 PM chopper79: So you cannot just reset any output with (R)..... is this true?
11:33 PM chopper79: ok...I thought I was on to something. I have the coils I want to reset already (S)
11:34 PM chopper79: so (R) should unset them.....frustrating on why they will not