#linuxcnc | Logs for 2017-02-08

[00:05:13] <MacGalempsy> hi
[00:25:01] <MacGalempsy> slow night..
[00:47:57] <chopper79> Finally have my mill moving with lcnc via ethernet. Now that this excitement is finished, need to start on all the i/o
[00:56:16] <CaptHindsight> has anyone seen a cylinder boring head for cat40 or similar?
[00:56:39] <CaptHindsight> 4-5" diameters, 8=10" deep
[00:56:55] <CaptHindsight> 8-10"
[01:00:12] <archivist> there are chinesium boring heads on cat 40 or the expensive german
[01:02:36] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/TECNARA-MICRO-ADJUSTABLE-BORING-HEAD-w-BT40-SHANK-240-908-8-/331636977523 not long enough
[01:03:30] <archivist> I have one of these on a 40 http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/50mm-Boring-Head-with-2-Morse-taper-shank-and-set-of-9-12mm-diameter-tools-/361882498696
[01:04:31] <MacGalempsy> chopper79 congrats
[01:04:33] <archivist> Sandvik make an extendable
[01:05:12] <CaptHindsight> range 10-125mm
[01:05:24] <CaptHindsight> that will bore wide enough
[01:05:52] <CaptHindsight> but I need to go 10" deep , 250mm
[01:05:53] <MacGalempsy> custom tool time?
[01:06:13] <CaptHindsight> or just get a Van Norman
[01:06:18] <archivist> use two extensions :)
[01:07:09] <CaptHindsight> since I'not using them in an engine I can also just turn the pistons down vs bore the cylinder sleeves
[01:07:27] <archivist> but I would consider making my own tooling if it were me
[01:07:30] <CaptHindsight> I'm only going 0.030" or so
[01:09:09] <CaptHindsight> http://www.auto-maintenance.net/cylinder-boring-machine-t8014a_p157.html
[01:09:11] <archivist> with the chinese demountable it would be easy to make an extension
[01:09:29] <CaptHindsight> what they still use in auto machine shops
[01:10:46] <CaptHindsight> if I make enough of them I'll make tooling or just get them delivered to spec
[01:15:47] <CaptHindsight> http://www.centroidcnc.com/images/cnc_block/block_tooling_400.jpg
[01:18:50] <chopper79> MacGalempsy: Thank you now come the fun task of ATC, spindle, and other i/o
[01:20:40] <chopper79> off to bed... Have a good night everyone or day if it is that time for you
[01:22:54] <CaptHindsight> http://www.secotools.com/en/Global/Products/Holemaking/Boring/Liteline/
[01:25:00] <archivist> CaptHindsight, something similar with sandvik they also have anti vibration extension sections
[01:36:53] <archivist> Wolf_, http://www.archivist.info/cnc/Renishaw_protocol/
[01:38:05] <archivist> I dont know if tx/rx refers to OMM or probe
[01:38:22] <Wolf_> yeah...
[01:39:17] <archivist> would help if the comments were better https://github.com/rene-dev/stmbl/blob/master/src/comps/probe.comp#L70
[01:39:50] <Wolf_> oh, that mess is renishaw probe stuff? lol
[01:40:28] <archivist> fills a buffer with 010101010... and then gibberish
[01:41:00] <archivist> shame the saleae trace is not similar
[01:41:32] <CaptHindsight> http://www.automation4less.com/store/products.asp?cat=1462 they actually stock rack and pinions!
[01:43:28] <archivist> any way parts ordered to try some optical, not impressed with the adafruitcake gemma, 3 IO only and the pro mini is a similar size
[01:43:30] <Wolf_> prices dont look too bad either
[02:32:05] <Deejay> moin
[04:27:12] <pink_vampire> ??
[04:37:16] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: ?
[04:54:09] <XXCoder> hey pink_vampire
[04:54:12] <XXCoder> whats up
[04:59:12] <pink_vampire> I'm fine
[04:59:25] <pink_vampire> did you saw the part that i did?
[04:59:35] <XXCoder> no looking up
[04:59:41] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/PBnxQbK.png
[04:59:47] <pink_vampire> this is the part.
[04:59:56] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: ^
[05:00:04] <XXCoder> you did it
[05:00:11] <XXCoder> curious what method you chose
[05:00:29] <pink_vampire> everything was done on the vise
[05:00:58] <pink_vampire> and for the support I've use a foam pvc sheet that I cut with a knife
[05:00:59] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/U87nLgL.png
[05:01:02] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: ^
[05:01:23] <XXCoder> pretty delicate hold
[05:01:55] <pink_vampire> It was started as more then 60g and now it's about 9g
[05:02:36] <XXCoder> heh have parts that lose far more
[05:02:49] <pink_vampire> actually close to 80g before facing
[05:02:53] <XXCoder> from block I can barely lift to part I can hold with pinkie finger
[05:04:05] <pink_vampire> you need to take pictures of stuff like that
[05:04:11] <XXCoder> heck no
[05:04:15] <XXCoder> its not allowed
[05:04:39] <XXCoder> they see me taking pics I get fired
[05:05:59] <pink_vampire> :(
[05:06:38] <XXCoder> it's one of fairly rare jobs I can read while waiting for parts to finish I wanna keep job. sorry :D
[05:07:15] <minibnz> the company that i spend my days at take pictures as a business and i cant take photos of anything.. its makes documentation kinda hard..
[05:07:53] <XXCoder> my job pics is allowed ONLY for docs. we cant even use our phones or whatever, no, we have to use those old digital cameras
[05:08:04] <XXCoder> because deleted files might be able to be recovered
[05:08:46] <minibnz> hehehe we have 100's of D810 cameras and 300 and 400mm lenses we have to take them outside to test tehm
[05:09:52] <minibnz> we send our production manager out, he is asian and only speaks english and he gets hassled by all the asian tourists trying to look for someone to translate for them... its quite funny
[05:10:17] <XXCoder> doh
[05:36:34] <jthornton> morning
[05:37:15] <XXCoder> yo
[05:37:32] <minibnz> evening..
[05:54:35] <pink_vampire> is there a way to show one more set of coordinates on the screen?
[05:55:12] <minibnz> my screen is covered in co-ords.. DTG G92 TLO XYZA
[05:55:39] <minibnz> i want to remove TLO and add velocity
[05:56:21] <minibnz> Pink somewhere here will probably be an answer to both our questions..
[05:56:36] <minibnz> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/man/man1/halui.1.html
[05:56:44] <minibnz> i am just starting to read this now..
[05:57:38] <jthornton> in Axis you can change what is shown on the backplot from the menu
[05:58:34] <minibnz> then again pink its not there at all..
[05:58:44] <minibnz> oh
[06:00:59] <minibnz> ahh velocity diasapears when you have the offsets showing..
[06:21:13] <minibnz> oh man i gotta swap the motor on Z when the new bigger 425oz ones arrive at the end of the week maybe tomorrow.. this one is 180oz with a 4:1 gear box on it.. it looks like i should be able to remove it and put it on the new motor..
[06:21:39] <XXCoder> get 180!oz steppers ;)
[06:23:42] <minibnz> i then should have 1500oz/in on my z axis..
[06:24:54] <malcom2073> Psh, I got 1600oz/in, they're the only way to fly!
[06:26:40] <minibnz> last night i thought i sorted my max velocity for Z but today it was skipping at 75mm/min so i have had to slow it down to 50mm/min and it seems pretty happy at the moment...
[06:28:44] <pink_vampire> I'm here again.
[06:29:32] <minibnz> ok what other co-ordinates do you want on your screen?
[06:30:43] <pink_vampire> I have the G54 that show
[06:30:59] <pink_vampire> I want to also show the G55
[06:31:30] <minibnz> have you played with the view menu?
[06:32:04] <pink_vampire> what do you mean?
[06:37:47] <minibnz> i just went thru the view menu options and i cant make it show the G55 either.. the offsets menu option shows G54 and G92 DTG and TLO and hides the velocity
[06:39:09] <jthornton> in the mdi do G55
[08:34:22] <Kevin`> minibnz: that's pretty slow, are you sure it's not binding, and is the motor current sufficient to make it warm?
[10:19:58] <MacGalempsy> morning
[11:05:48] <Jymmm> haha http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ping-Pong-Ball-/282350417628
[11:56:03] <Mac-Mill> its quite a nice day out today
[12:22:47] <IchGucksLive> hi
[12:35:23] <Mac-Mill> heh
[12:36:36] <Mac-Mill> well the tool moved to position stopped
[12:36:59] <IchGucksLive> good if it is supposed to
[12:37:14] <IchGucksLive> on the classicladder TV
[12:37:19] <IchGucksLive> TC
[12:38:18] <IchGucksLive> now start the exchange loop
[12:44:36] <Mac-Mill> that is what I was trying, but the tool pocket was not aligned correctly, so it got stuck
[12:44:53] <Mac-Mill> working on the near function to stop the carriage at the right position
[12:45:22] <Mac-Mill> looks like uni directional will be the way to start until the math for bidirectional gets figured out
[12:47:10] <IchGucksLive> Mac-Mill: did you lower the speed on ariving
[12:47:19] <Mac-Mill> it is only on or off
[12:47:28] <IchGucksLive> ok
[12:47:40] <Mac-Mill> so I was going to do some trial and error as to when to cut it off
[12:48:05] <IchGucksLive> i woudt pulse it in on one tool early
[12:48:26] <Mac-Mill> when I do the home routine, it is supposed to kill the power at the index pulse, but the counter reads 148 after the home
[12:48:32] <Mac-Mill> so I started with near 150
[12:48:41] <Mac-Mill> it is a 2000 count setup
[12:49:07] <IchGucksLive> did you check multiple times on number
[12:49:52] <Mac-Mill> havent got it that far. I guess i need to deactivate some ladder rungs
[12:50:49] <IchGucksLive> doing all this in postgui hal to get infos during programming to a side panel
[12:51:20] <IchGucksLive> or only halwatch
[12:51:27] <IchGucksLive> halshow
[12:53:05] * roycroft hands mac-mill a sawzall
[12:53:34] <IchGucksLive> DQ138 woudt be better
[12:54:37] <roycroft> i've no idea what that is
[12:54:53] <roycroft> but a sawzall will take care of pesky extraneous ladder rungs handily
[12:56:16] <Mac-Mill> it got stuck, but used halcmd -kf to unlinkp the mesa card and setpins to 0. no sawzall needed
[12:57:30] <IchGucksLive> roy google images ds0138 osz
[12:59:15] <roycroft> oh
[12:59:22] <roycroft> sawzall is still more fun :)
[13:07:10] <MacGalempsy> that would probably would be more fun. the 150 near is too high. the space between pockets is 100
[13:08:15] <MacGalempsy> hmm. maybe going to need to use the reverse to get to zero out the position after an overshoot
[13:08:37] <MacGalempsy> maybe less power to the motor on reverse
[13:09:21] <archivist> or short the motor to brake it
[13:09:36] <Loetmichel_> be careful with that
[13:09:47] <Loetmichel_> use contactors that are quite overrated
[13:10:11] <Loetmichel_> or you will weld the contacts shut if braking from high rpm
[13:10:13] <archivist> add resistor to limit the effect
[13:10:16] <MacGalempsy> so right now I have 2 s-pole relays
[13:10:30] <MacGalempsy> 2-pole relays, one is cw and the other is ccw
[13:11:57] <IchGucksLive> so pulsing them to a 817 opto isolation chain
[13:11:58] <archivist> you are relying on friction for slowing down, inertia can get in the way
[13:12:20] <MacGalempsy> the motor is geared. and it takes a bit to brake loose
[13:12:38] <IchGucksLive> classic ladder got timers
[13:12:41] <Loetmichel_> archivist: my friend modified a training cycle to have a car alternator instead of a brake... and then wired 10 105W headlights to it... pedaled like crazy... nothing happened... then he had an epiphnany: "heyy, no excitation voltage... could you please touch this 12V battery there on the circuit, Loetmichel_?"
[13:13:00] <MacGalempsy> lol
[13:13:00] <archivist> or drop the dog in early to stop it :)
[13:13:08] <Loetmichel_> <-did so briefly. result: instant stop, and a friend flying over the handlebar
[13:13:31] <Loetmichel_> :-)
[13:14:12] <MacGalempsy> I am wondering if the mass of a full tool carriage would be enough to stop it faster
[13:14:33] <IchGucksLive> best to go
[13:14:35] <MacGalempsy> right now it is empty and the pockets are not the right shape for the tools
[13:14:59] <MacGalempsy> was hoping to cut the pockets after the sequencing was worked out
[13:15:06] <IchGucksLive> so triggering it in on timing is a good solotion
[13:15:12] <IchGucksLive> even on full load
[13:15:40] <IchGucksLive> if no move increase on time
[13:15:50] <IchGucksLive> if to many counts in decrease them
[13:15:51] <MacGalempsy> i like the braking by shorting , but that just scares me that something else will mess up
[13:16:30] <IchGucksLive> as you got 100 triggers between them
[13:17:00] <archivist> if your encoder is has enough resolution you can servo it
[13:17:38] <IchGucksLive> arcxh is right on that high res encoders getting more and more cheeper
[13:17:47] <MacGalempsy> there is space on the card to servo it, but I dont have an extra amp at the moment
[13:18:05] <IchGucksLive> save the amp to the 4th
[13:18:16] <IchGucksLive> makes more sence
[13:19:45] <archivist> I admit to burning little servo motors out, used to slam in reverse and wait for the opto to say going the other way :)
[13:19:52] <IchGucksLive> MacGalempsy: the 4th can add you a real moneymaker
[13:20:07] <MacGalempsy> ?
[13:20:16] <MacGalempsy> already have the 4th going
[13:20:24] <MacGalempsy> tuned to .001deg
[13:20:36] <IchGucksLive> then its up to you
[13:20:50] <MacGalempsy> i wonder what the cheapest amp I could get away with is?
[13:22:14] <archivist> a bucket of transistors a heatsink and soldering iron, make one
[13:24:27] <IchGucksLive> Gn8
[13:24:37] <MacGalempsy> ciao
[13:26:18] <roycroft> my motors will be delivered today
[13:26:36] <roycroft> i should have almost enough to start building/testing the system
[13:28:26] <MacGalempsy> are you building the frame?
[13:29:01] <roycroft> me?
[13:29:19] <MacGalempsy> yea
[13:29:20] <roycroft> i'm converting an x3 mill-drill
[13:29:25] <MacGalempsy> ah ok
[13:29:43] <roycroft> and the real work begins soon
[13:29:45] <MacGalempsy> what kind of travel are you going to have?
[13:30:01] <roycroft> disassembly of the machine, scraping the ways and gibs, and measuring for the ball screws
[13:30:10] <roycroft> i'm not sure what kind of travel
[13:30:25] <roycroft> folks do mods to get more travel, especially y, on x3 mills
[13:30:39] <roycroft> i'm going to sort that out when i get to that point in the project
[13:30:55] <roycroft> the answer is "as much as possible and practical"
[13:31:12] <MacGalempsy> how long are the ballscrews?
[13:31:17] <roycroft> i have no idea
[13:31:24] <roycroft> i haven't measured for them or ordered them yet
[13:31:31] <roycroft> since i don't know how much travel there will be yet
[13:31:39] <roycroft> i'm doing this conversion from the computer back to the mill
[13:31:54] <roycroft> so when steppers arrive, it's time to start touching the machine
[13:32:00] <roycroft> well
[13:32:04] <roycroft> once the steppers spin around
[13:32:18] <roycroft> i'm doing it in this order to minimise downtime of the mill
[13:33:18] <roycroft> i'll probably end up disassembling, scraping, measuring, then reassembling with the acme screws so i can mill the mounts for the ball screws, limit switches, etc.
[13:33:31] <roycroft> although i might be able to do all the machining before the initial disassembly
[13:33:58] <MacGalempsy> what kind of resolution are you hoping for?
[13:34:09] <roycroft> i'm finishing up another project right now, so i am not focused on the mill conversion at this point, other than assembling components
[13:34:17] <roycroft> i hope to hold 0.001" with it
[13:34:34] <roycroft> i'll be okay with 0.003", initially
[13:34:41] <roycroft> but i really want 0.001"
[13:34:57] <roycroft> it's a rather lightweight machine to try to hold tenths
[13:37:50] <roycroft> i can hold 0.001" with it manually on a really good day right now, but 0.003"-0.005" is the norm.
[13:38:12] <roycroft> there's a lot of vibration in the z axis that i know i can eliminate
[14:20:26] <skatacs> hallo zusammen
[14:20:49] <skatacs> jemand da der deutsch spricht?
[14:21:34] <cpresser> skatacs: ja, aber die linux-cnc doku ist trotzdem in englisch
[14:28:39] <Loetmichel_> skatacs: ja. wird aber nicht viel helfen, ich bin nicht soooo firm mit LinuxCNC daß ich groß helfen könnte ;)
[14:30:17] <skatacs> ok... danke trotzdem ;-)
[14:31:08] <skatacs> versuche gerade Probe in der Configwizard einzufügen und die macro knöpfe einzufügen am bildrand inkl screen ändern.
[14:32:10] <skatacs> bin auch erst seit 2 tagenm mit linuxcnc am spielen aber ich finde es besser als mach3 von den timing einstellungsmöglichkeiten für den kack tb6560 treiber der leider so lahm ist
[15:01:43] <JT-Shop> my welding table has 5/8" holes and is 1/4" thick is there some way to fasten to that from one side?
[15:53:14] <MacGalempsy> got the toolholder designed, now just need a flycutter
[15:53:25] <MacGalempsy> https://flic.kr/p/QHybXk
[15:54:00] <_methods> JT-Shop: what do you mean? fasten from one side?
[15:55:41] <_methods> JT-Shop: is the bottom of that weld table open?
[15:55:59] <JT-Shop> yes it is but easier to do from the top if possible
[15:56:00] <_methods> can't you just make some threaded inserts to stick in
[15:56:52] <JT-Shop> from the bottom?
[15:57:25] <_methods> yeah once you tighten it pulls up against the bottom of the plate
[15:57:41] <pcw_mesa> some kind of toggle/wobble bolt?
[15:57:41] <_methods> or like those bulkhead fittings that have the od threaded and a threaded id
[15:58:10] <JT-Shop> hmm a wobble bolt might work
[15:58:24] <JT-Shop> an oval shape nut
[15:59:05] <_methods> there's about a hundred ways to skin that cat
[15:59:23] <_methods> or just tap every other hole
[15:59:54] <JT-Shop> they are laser cut holes so I guess the edge is a bit hard
[16:02:10] <_methods> We tap laser cut holes all the time
[16:02:32] <_methods> But no matter what that's a lot of holes to tap
[16:03:07] <JT-Shop> hmm, I just assumed they would be hard a bit and kinda hard to tap a 5/8" hole the tap just falls through
[16:03:40] <_methods> Yeah you probably have to go up a size
[16:04:19] <_methods> Or buy some pemserts
[16:06:56] <JT-Shop> pcw_mesa: wins the prize, I took a 5/16 carriage bolt and grind down the sides a bit and it wobbles into the hole with enough left to get a bite
[16:07:57] <_methods> Nice
[16:09:00] <JT-Shop> might turn up a few centering things to drop in after inserting the bolt head in the plate
[16:09:13] <_methods> I probably do 5/8 weld nuts
[16:32:34] <MacGalempsy> anyone recommend where to look for a 7/8" slot cutting endmill?
[16:33:13] <Tom_itx> travers
[16:33:36] <MacGalempsy> thanks!
[16:34:06] <Tom_itx> or that one JT likes
[16:34:27] <Tom_itx> http://www.lakeshorecarbide.com/
[16:39:50] <Tom_itx> how many flute? roughing or finishing?
[16:40:35] <MacGalempsy> not sure about that. it is for the tool holders for my machine
[16:40:41] <MacGalempsy> so I guess finishing
[16:40:46] <Tom_itx> cutting steel
[16:40:49] <MacGalempsy> no alum
[16:40:54] <Tom_itx> 2 flute
[16:40:58] <Tom_itx> or maybe 3
[16:41:23] <Tom_itx> i'd suggest 3/4 and undercut so you can finish pass
[16:41:45] <Deejay> gn8
[16:41:50] <Tom_itx> unless you're in a hurry like zeeshan
[16:41:51] <MacGalempsy> looking at these keyseat cutters and they seem to have 1/2 and 1"
[16:42:03] <Tom_itx> open or closed slot?
[16:42:38] <MacGalempsy> take a look at the img ^^^ and tell me what you think
[16:42:49] <MacGalempsy> open slot
[16:43:04] <Tom_itx> where? i missed it
[16:43:09] <MacGalempsy> https://flic.kr/p/QHybXk
[16:43:45] <Tom_itx> oh that kind of slot
[16:44:10] <Tom_itx> http://www.travers.com/keyway-t-slot-end-mills/c/297789/
[16:44:44] <Tom_itx> mill out the center first then attack it with one of those
[16:44:53] <MacGalempsy> that is the plan
[16:49:26] <Tom_itx> probably have to make multiple passes
[16:49:32] <Tom_itx> don't see anything that wide
[16:49:42] <Tom_itx> you could probably find one but it would be $$$$
[16:50:04] <Tom_itx> or maybe an arbor cutter
[16:51:59] <Tom_itx> http://www.travers.com/plain-high-speed-steel-milling-cutter/p/10-002-056/
[16:52:10] <Tom_itx> 7/8 wide but the diameter is gonna be too big
[16:52:15] <MacGalempsy> wondering if I could get away without using the upper slot
[16:52:34] <Tom_itx> what's it for?
[16:52:50] <Tom_itx> cat 40 holders?
[16:53:07] <MacGalempsy> no they are 3/4 shaft
[16:53:16] <SpeedEvil> Why is there such large 'back relief' on that saw
[16:53:24] <Tom_itx> pete made something for cat 40 iirc
[16:53:25] <SpeedEvil> that is - it's basically got the normal relief then a step
[16:54:04] <MacGalempsy> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=168404&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1389531354
[16:54:19] <MacGalempsy> the holder and shank are like the one on the right
[16:54:29] <MacGalempsy> but the lower is like the one on the left
[16:54:31] <Tom_itx> just for changing cutters?
[16:55:14] <Tom_itx> you could probably get by with just the lower slot
[16:55:58] <MacGalempsy> if the tolerance is good enough, it shouldnt be a problem
[16:57:25] <MacGalempsy> I guess trying one out will be the most effective way. I got the stuff to try without buying anything
[16:57:35] <MacGalempsy> time to redraw
[17:35:29] <MacGalempsy> Tom_itx: I am kind of worried about the tools getting slug out when the carriage spins
[17:35:59] <MacGalempsy> perhaps a spring clip would be good
[17:43:23] <andypugh> MacGalempsy: That seems like an over-alaborate design.
[17:43:34] <MacGalempsy> the new design is simpler
[17:43:42] <andypugh> You could probably get by with a bit od delrin and a laser-cut springy thing
[17:44:14] <MacGalempsy> the original ones had valiers to keep the tool installed. but these new collet holders dont have an slots
[17:44:40] <MacGalempsy> well, holes for the valiers. just the wrench slots
[17:44:50] <MacGalempsy> just about done with the new design
[17:45:40] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Emco-PCTurn-50-CNC-Lathe-Slant-Bed-Base-w-Ball-Screws-PC-Turn-0829KY-/262703149054 $675 wasn't somebody looking for these?
[17:45:56] <andypugh> MacGalempsy: Have you looked on eBay? http://www.ebay.com/itm/MAZAK-CNC-VERTICAL-MILL-ATC-TOOL-CHANGER-CAROUSEL-HOLDER-POD-FINGER-VQC-/182440532277?hash=item2a7a4d9935:g:9wMAAOSwmmxW4fsR
[17:47:05] <MacGalempsy> the problem is the original collet holders were like $300 each, and I got 20 of the tormach style for $800
[17:47:39] <MacGalempsy> the original pockets are not the right size, so just going to make some new pockets. it should be pretty easy
[17:47:58] <MacGalempsy> wil take a pic of the originals in a moment
[17:48:30] <andypugh> This is a simple looking desgin to copy: http://www.ebay.com/itm/OKUMA-CADET-MATE-CNC-VERTICAL-MILL-ATC-TOOL-CHANGER-HOLDER-HOLDERS-PODS-FINGERS/182440550467
[17:48:45] <andypugh> Laser-cut and forming a spring round another laser-cut shape.
[17:48:54] <andypugh> (or, laser-cut the springs)
[17:50:35] <andypugh> This seems much cheaper than I could imagine making it for. What am I missing? http://www.ebay.com/itm/HAAS-Carousel-Plate-CAT40-20-WILL-NOT-BREAK-7th-Year-SOLD-Parts-Disk-/271611822351
[17:52:51] <MacGalempsy> that haas is pretty close to this
[17:53:37] <andypugh> Do you agree that it seems unnaturally cheap?
[17:55:13] <MacGalempsy> I agree. that seems cheap..
[17:55:31] <MacGalempsy> they probably made one for themselves, then decided to market it
[17:55:44] <CaptHindsight> are there any well made bench top lathes anymore (~8x12)?
[17:56:03] <CaptHindsight> looks like I'll have to build one
[17:57:07] <sync_> weiler praktikants are pretty small
[17:57:11] <sync_> or primus
[18:12:13] <MacGalempsy> andypugh: here is v2 https://flic.kr/p/RU69cU
[18:21:41] <MacGalempsy> here is the original tool pocket https://flic.kr/p/RU6M1d
[18:30:23] <andypugh> So, why is yours a more complicated shape?
[18:30:42] <MacGalempsy> the new one?
[18:30:47] <MacGalempsy> or the old one
[18:30:48] <andypugh> You are, of course perfectly at liberty to make your parts any shape you want.
[18:31:52] <MacGalempsy> the new one has that rise on the top with the thought that a spring c-clip can be attached
[18:32:04] <andypugh> Yours needs machining from both sides, wheras theirs is from one side, and is made from net-thickness material.
[18:32:52] <andypugh> In that case you probably want to add some pegs to keep the spring inside the working range.
[18:33:16] <andypugh> I like the original springy balls.
[18:33:41] <MacGalempsy> that sounds like a good idea
[18:44:45] <MacGalempsy> here is the collet holder. https://flic.kr/p/RXFRRD
[18:45:30] <MacGalempsy> either a thin clip that fits in the narrow slot, or a wider flat clip that fits around the wide section
[18:49:18] <MacGalempsy> maybe something like this http://www.ebay.com/itm/Crescent-External-Retaining-Ring-Clip-1-1-4-Spring-Steel-ZY-50-Pieces-/172261292320?hash=item281b92b920:g:heMAAOSw~bFWKKfT
[18:52:15] <roycroft> sweet
[18:52:26] <roycroft> i need a 9/16-24 tap
[18:52:31] <roycroft> i could not source one locally
[18:52:43] <roycroft> the best deal i could get online was for 2 of them
[18:52:44] <MacGalempsy> no fastenal around there?
[18:53:07] <roycroft> they were both supposed to be plug taps
[18:53:15] <roycroft> but when they arrived, one was plug and one was bottom
[18:54:48] <roycroft> i'm not sure i need that size bottom tap
[18:54:56] <roycroft> but i sure don't need more than one plug tap
[18:55:58] <andypugh> MacGalempsy: I wonder of you can get them in the right size? (is that the right size?)
[18:56:01] <roycroft> oh, there is a fastenal here
[18:56:01] <sync_> I usually just get bottoming taps
[18:56:04] <roycroft> i wasn't aware
[18:56:27] <roycroft> bottom taps are hard to start in an untapped hole if hand tapping
[18:57:00] <andypugh> And they wear out quickly. Bottom taps should only be used to finish off the bottom few threads.
[18:57:01] <roycroft> i use plug taps most of the time
[18:57:06] <sync_> I don't find it particularily difficult
[18:57:11] <roycroft> i'll use a taper tap when tapping 304
[18:57:18] <MacGalempsy> the inside is 1.10"
[18:57:19] <roycroft> well i'm apparently not as skilled as you, sync_
[18:57:30] <roycroft> i guess i'll just keep using the easier tooling
[18:57:32] <sync_> well idk
[18:57:58] <andypugh> With a bottoming tap only one cutting tip does any work.
[18:58:25] <sync_> I just get machine taps anyway as they push the chips out upwards and those seem to work really well
[18:58:50] <sync_> andypugh: I tap a few hundered holes at best in a year, so tool life is not really a concern
[18:59:14] * SpeedEvil idly wonders how well high grade bolts would do themselves.
[18:59:17] <roycroft> regarless of which may be preferable
[18:59:39] <roycroft> for a size i'll rarely use it's better to have two variations than two of single type
[18:59:49] <roycroft> that's my point
[18:59:57] <roycroft> i did not mean to start a tap war :)
[19:00:14] <andypugh> Shouldn’t it be a “faucet” war in the US?
[19:00:37] <roycroft> andypugh is dripping with sarcasm
[19:02:11] <roycroft> these are just hss taps, but i'll be tapping aluminium with them, so they'll still be brand new when i'm done
[19:03:14] <roycroft> although they're extra fine thread, so they might be a wee bit gummed up
[19:03:19] <MacGalempsy> 28mm is 4thou under
[19:04:08] <andypugh> MacGalempsy: Only problem with those off-the-shelf clips is that there is no way to retain them.
[19:04:48] <andypugh> But you could get something laser-cut to the same basic shape with a mounting hole or two.
[19:06:13] <MacGalempsy> http://www.jetpress.com/Products.aspx/nglomrbblm/ToolClips-WideBase/
[19:06:50] <andypugh> Should work, with the drawback of looking exactly like tool clips :-)
[19:07:29] <MacGalempsy> my vocabulary on clips is limited to c and hair
[19:07:56] <sync_> https://www.hoffmann-group.com/medias/sys_master/root/h46/hd3/9079286530078/90016001-deu-DE-DEE-135450-135600.pdf
[19:08:04] <sync_> the bluering taps are awesome
[19:08:34] <MacGalempsy> looks like tool clips are also called terry clips
[19:09:27] <MacGalempsy> now we are talking http://www.ebay.com/itm/Terry-Clips-SUPER-TYPE-To-Grip-50mm-to-90mm-CHOICE-10-Finishes-UK-MADE-Multi-QTY-/391669443262?var=&hash=item5b31516abe:m:mQYo-veSbOzVnAIVa97qMeQ
[19:09:38] <MacGalempsy> can make a rainbox
[19:10:36] <andypugh> And free shipping. (To me, probably not to you)
[19:11:58] <andypugh> They don’t seem to offer 1 of each colour. Which seems to be missing a trick.
[19:14:37] <MacGalempsy> http://www.homedepot.com/p/DuraHook-1-in-2-in-Extended-Spring-Clip-for-or-1-8-in-and-1-4-in-Pegboard-5-Pack-73120/204774928?cm_mmc=Shopping|THD|DigitalDecor|google||_pkw__pmt__product_204774928&mid=srfOhneNn|dc_mtid_8903yuu57254_pcrid_142850460449_pkw__pmt__product_204774928_slid_&gclid=CjwKEAiAoOvEBRDD25uyu9Lg9ycSJAD0cnByVwWu--WMOBk0cexScrHZOJ0Y9Rh4u8E_HxmULFAq2RoC5DHw_wcB
[19:15:26] <MacGalempsy> looks like a run to homedepot andt they even have an alignment pin on the bottom
[19:36:27] <Tom_itx> mac, i think that's a pegboard hook
[19:51:26] <MacGalempsy> it is a pegboard hook :)
[19:51:56] <MacGalempsy> but the key part is that the diameter is the right size to fit around the top of the tool holder
[19:53:44] <MacGalempsy> well. time to shut it all down for the night. hasta manana
[21:52:34] <TurBoss> Hello
[21:53:08] <TurBoss> pcw_home : i found that the link from http://store.mesanet.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=83_85&product_id=300 to the software gives 404
[23:04:34] <MacGalempsy> hola
[23:05:43] <MacGalempsy> ¿que paso amigos?
[23:30:06] <MacGalempsy> hi
[23:30:14] <MacGalempsy> bored....
[23:30:50] <MacGalempsy> got a tool pocket test printed
[23:31:15] <MacGalempsy> https://flic.kr/p/RLZhrt
[23:31:48] <MacGalempsy> it looks like a little pullup, bit t
[23:31:58] <MacGalempsy> but the fit is nice
[23:32:29] <Wolf_> cool
[23:34:41] <MacGalempsy> tomorrow the plan is to pull the 4th axis. mount the vise and cut one in alum
[23:35:49] <MacGalempsy> what are you up yo
[23:35:57] <MacGalempsy> to wolf?
[23:36:26] <Wolf_> nothing, messing with one of my reloading presses
[23:38:03] <pink_vampire> MacGalempsy: what is this printed tool?
[23:38:31] <MacGalempsy> that is a pocket for the atc
[23:39:08] <MacGalempsy> if you scroll thru the feed you can see some of tne other pics
[23:40:30] <MacGalempsy> i rushed the print and it started a little too high, the 100 was about to start
[23:41:19] <pink_vampire> i see what you mean
[23:41:27] <pink_vampire> it's a vmc?
[23:42:16] <MacGalempsy> yep
[23:42:51] <MacGalempsy> did you see the tool changers that mount on the table?
[23:43:42] <MacGalempsy> i need to update the album with some current picks
[23:47:06] <pink_vampire> what is this part ? https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8114/29408808055_2f422c6c2f_h.jpg
[23:47:33] <pink_vampire> MacGalempsy: ^
[23:47:44] <Wolf_> its a thingy
[23:49:06] <MacGalempsy> that is the start of a bracket for a nema17 motor for the 3d printer i was developing
[23:49:32] <pink_vampire> nice!
[23:49:42] <pink_vampire> how did you machine it?
[23:50:02] <MacGalempsy> sorry reading some arduino tutorials for the probe project
[23:50:04] <pink_vampire> look a bit tricky to hold
[23:50:32] <MacGalempsy> just keep rotating and touching off
[23:51:17] <MacGalempsy> the probe made setup go fast
[23:51:52] <MacGalempsy> i ended up printing all the brackets lol
[23:58:31] <MacGalempsy> pink_vampire: how is your bracket project coming along? the one yesterday looked good