#linuxcnc | Logs for 2017-02-06

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[00:05:15] <XXCoder> cool
[00:05:19] <XXCoder> hey Wolf_
[00:05:23] <XXCoder> you existant?
[00:05:27] <Wolf_> yo
[00:05:51] <XXCoder> I got a probably stupid question
[00:06:02] <Wolf_> probably
[00:06:04] <XXCoder> use the same 18gauge wire for powering all tb6600s?
[00:06:36] <Wolf_> I prefer not to chain the drivers
[00:06:45] <XXCoder> so not series eh
[00:06:51] <XXCoder> parallel it is then
[00:06:57] <Wolf_> yup
[00:06:58] <minibnz> i would go for a star configuration..
[00:07:08] <XXCoder> networking lingo heh
[00:07:30] <Wolf_> yeah, 1 power wire from psu to driver
[00:07:33] <minibnz> star parrallel all the same..
[00:07:42] <Wolf_> not parallel or series
[00:08:10] <XXCoder> they each has its own power supply?
[00:08:22] <minibnz> each has own wire from the psu.
[00:08:30] <Wolf_> no, 1 psu, 3 sets of wires
[00:08:54] <XXCoder> thats parallel configuration
[00:09:25] <CaptHindsight> anyone else use http://www.koolrite.com/Koolrite_2290.php?
[00:09:26] <XXCoder> but yeah I guess i'll do that. 18gauge is fine for that correct>?
[00:09:37] <CaptHindsight> it does keep the stink away longer
[00:09:37] <Wolf_> yeah, 18 is plenty
[00:09:55] <XXCoder> I got no idea what work uses lol
[00:10:05] <XXCoder> it gets lovely green foam when its aged
[00:10:25] <CaptHindsight> I haven't run it since I moved
[00:10:37] <CaptHindsight> got some dark scum for a bit
[00:11:08] <minibnz> i gotta replace my coolant its going ferral...
[00:11:33] <Wolf_> I use a mist system so I don’t have that issue :)
[00:11:36] <CaptHindsight> I added 2 gallons and ~20oz of the 2290 and ran it for an hour
[00:11:41] <CaptHindsight> looks good now
[00:11:41] <XXCoder> nh its fine till it starts to move on its own
[00:11:52] <minibnz> i added 9litres to top it up yesterday and today it needed more..
[00:12:14] <XXCoder> cant use any coolant here :P gonna move it to better place later
[00:12:55] <CaptHindsight> smells more like propane exhaust than anything right now
[00:13:05] <minibnz> i made a cupboard from perspex and aliminium, i thought i had it all sealed up but i think i have a very very slight leak where the drain comes out of the tub..
[00:13:37] <CaptHindsight> the down side of a propane forklift in the winter
[00:13:43] <minibnz> after runing it heaps yesterday and the day before there was a little puddle of fluid on the ground..
[00:14:03] <CaptHindsight> on the other hand I haven't seen a 16k Lb electric forklift
[00:14:51] <CaptHindsight> minibnz: I always get just a little splash that ends up a couple of feet from the mill
[00:15:38] <CaptHindsight> face mills act like paddles
[00:15:49] <minibnz> i did put doors on it but i took them off so i could work on it easier.. for now i just slip the doors in place on the front when i need to use the coolant.
[00:16:29] <minibnz> oh yeah i was tuning the PWM drive and miss-keyed 0.2 into 02 and there was coolant going all over the place..
[00:17:12] <minibnz> it was hitting the drill bit and squirting up and over the cover onto the floor making a great mess..
[00:18:37] <XXCoder> lol
[00:19:23] <minibnz> oh and the other problem i found with my coolant is the mesa card pulls the pin high on power up.. and only once you start linuxcnc does it go low. so the pump kicks in until linuxcnc starts. had to add a switch to stop that..
[00:19:49] <minibnz> that was great.. pump going full speed and not one drop of it landing inside the cupboard...
[00:23:25] <CaptHindsight> https://imagebin.ca/v/3BQXc5t9Fkn6 only 50 more boxes to unpack and lots of shelving to build
[00:24:11] <Wolf_> new shop?
[00:24:42] <CaptHindsight> yeah
[00:25:02] <CaptHindsight> bigger and better than the last one
[00:29:49] <Wolf_> nice
[00:30:52] <minibnz> oh here we go again.. RootB is back with a crappy connection
[00:31:30] <XXCoder> Roguish:
[00:31:32] <XXCoder> RootB_n_v:
[00:33:01] <XXCoder> oh yes
[00:33:11] <XXCoder> anyone know of good source for project boxes?
[00:33:15] <XXCoder> RootB_n_v_t:
[00:33:22] <minibnz> your 3d printer?
[00:33:26] <XXCoder> cnc router
[00:33:51] <XXCoder> it has spindle pwm controller, BOB, 3 tb6600s, 2 of PSUs
[00:34:19] <minibnz> ahh yeah i got a mate to weld me up a box that i have shoehorned everything into..
[00:34:39] <XXCoder> im not even remotely sure how to do it
[00:34:52] <XXCoder> I have pmma sheet I might use for that dunno
[00:35:43] <minibnz> oh damnit microships website is crapping pants. all i wants to do is see if they have a ds pic with 4 opamps built in..
[00:36:04] <minibnz> microchip.com keeps crapping out :(
[00:36:54] <XXCoder> 5 gramps built in ;)
[00:39:05] <minibnz> looks like they have gotten rid of their product selection tool :( that was really good to wade thru all the options.. now they have groups like automotive, touch.. ie sorted by application...
[00:40:07] <XXCoder> ugh
[00:42:17] <minibnz> oh crap i know why their webiste is a mess.. they purchased AVR/ATMEL and are integrating all their products into their website :(
[00:47:08] <minibnz> hmmm looks like i wont be able to have a one chip solution for my edge probe.. going to have to have a mcu and some analog chips :( that makes things a bit harder
[00:51:42] <XXCoder> aw
[00:51:55] <XXCoder> hey Wolf_ is +v or -v considered ground?
[00:52:04] <minibnz> -ve
[00:52:13] <XXCoder> ok thanks
[00:52:18] <minibnz> np
[00:55:18] <minibnz> hmmm wonder if i can make it wireless...
[00:56:04] <minibnz> would have to be RF of some sort, either the light or the sensor will become covered in crap real quick
[00:56:43] <Wolf_> optical seems to work for renishaw
[01:00:50] <minibnz> Wolf_ does that link up with the computer or does a human see the light and go from there?
[01:01:24] <Wolf_> computer
[01:01:45] <minibnz> oh ok it might work.
[01:02:18] <Wolf_> they cost like 5k so i would hope so
[01:03:26] <XXCoder> snow pretty heavy snow here
[01:03:27] <XXCoder> rare
[01:03:33] <XXCoder> power issues due to that lol
[01:03:45] <minibnz> when i say might work.. i mean 'i' might be able to make that work.
[01:04:04] <Wolf_> http://www.renishaw.com/en/standard-accuracy-machine-tool-touch-probes--32926
[01:04:37] <Wolf_> rf might work as well
[01:05:05] <Wolf_> older optical head on the right http://i.imgur.com/vL5jtDf.jpg
[01:05:55] <archivist> I actually have one on that renishaw list :)
[01:06:22] <Wolf_> lol
[01:07:50] <archivist> some ebay seller started it low and there were no snipers
[01:08:33] <minibnz> ahh i see on you one there is a ring of IR leds that point upwards.. that way the sensor is mounted up under the mill head.. might not catch too much mess up there.
[01:08:45] <Wolf_> i almost bid on a omp40 at that last auction
[01:09:36] <archivist> althougt that list claims LP2 is hard wired there is an optical mount for it
[01:14:11] <Wolf_> minibnz: exactly how its designed, the newer ones just use a wide angle smd ir
[01:15:31] <minibnz> i guess i dont even need all four quadrants if its going to spin and be wireless..
[01:15:52] <minibnz> that could make things a bit simpler...
[01:16:09] <Wolf_> most of them are really simple…
[01:16:15] <archivist> they have 6-8 LEDS
[01:17:11] <Wolf_> renishaw guts (MP9 probe end) http://i.imgur.com/X1ozLpw.jpg
[01:17:14] <archivist> time I did the battery to LED tarduino version
[01:18:21] <Wolf_> i want to do a RF pack that I can just socket in to the side of the MP1s
[01:21:39] <archivist> I have the 430MHz modules but they dont seem to be entirely sensible on default state of the RX
[01:21:50] <minibnz> oh man.. the probes are so $$$$4
[01:22:08] <archivist> so probably need a tard on the RX too
[01:22:34] <Wolf_> yeah, at best I think they are just serial link
[01:22:54] <minibnz> i was thinking about using a RFpic...
[01:23:06] <archivist> minibnz, to get probes, either make of just regular searches till one or three turn up
[01:23:22] <Wolf_> ^
[01:23:54] <archivist> lurking on fleabay pays off, the LP2 was below £30
[01:24:02] <Wolf_> I have $75 usd in to the MP9, and $160 usd in to my MP1s + Mi5 box
[01:24:16] <archivist> it seems almost unused
[01:24:28] <minibnz> hm thats not too bad..
[01:24:30] <Wolf_> I forget to search
[01:25:02] <archivist> I got a CMM that that came with a TP2 £100
[01:25:16] <archivist> then the seller sent a secont TP2
[01:25:28] <Wolf_> yeah, I didn’t follow up on the other auction that has a CMM in it
[01:25:55] <archivist> you know you want to :)
[01:26:04] <Wolf_> it was still sitting at $100 opening bid with no bids with 16hrs left to go
[01:26:09] <Wolf_> then I forgot about it
[01:26:12] <Wolf_> ...
[01:26:32] <archivist> I have missed a few things that way
[01:27:20] <archivist> so do I get https://learn.adafruit.com/introducing-gemma/introduction to make an RF/Optical version
[01:28:32] <archivist> there is also https://tinycircuits.com/products/tinylily-mini-processor
[01:29:55] <Wolf_> https://www.bidspotter.com/en-us/auction-catalogues/koster-industries/catalogue-id-bscko10277/lot-d5101f87-a843-46d4-9c61-a705010c33ab the thing I forgot to check on
[01:32:11] <archivist> I wonder if it is still there :)
[01:32:14] <minibnz> archivist you probably dont even need a MCU. i need one to interpret the peizo output.. but if just a have a on/off reinshaw all you would need is a battery and leds and a resistors..
[01:32:56] <minibnz> maybe a inverter gate.. but you could do that with a transistor in this application.
[01:33:13] <archivist> minibnz, contacts are not that good in some probes you need some form of processing/filtering
[01:33:28] <Wolf_> archivist made the dumb probes smarter
[01:33:56] <minibnz> ahh ok.. that tinylily would be pretty sweet
[01:34:27] <minibnz> at 14mm is pretty small.. about the size of the board i wants to make
[01:34:37] <Wolf_> http://i.imgur.com/JXAkuJO.jpg
[01:35:07] <archivist> what I do is put a pull up so there is some current through the contact then loop reading the a-d input measuring the voltage across the contact
[01:35:50] <minibnz> yup that will work
[01:36:13] <archivist> the first implementation also has a force input so we could measure the opening force
[01:36:32] <Wolf_> which I need to re-test mine
[01:37:36] <archivist> I need to rework it for probe only and an easier read on the web page
[01:38:04] <archivist> but been busy cataloguing manuals
[01:38:22] <XXCoder> Wolf_: I see 12v/24v on BOB it needs its own power also, from PSU?
[01:38:45] <Wolf_> XXCoder: thats for the relay output
[01:38:54] <XXCoder> oh
[01:39:17] <archivist> and limit switches and pwm
[01:39:20] <Wolf_> I think
[01:39:21] <XXCoder> hmm I have PWM board and spindle has its own psu
[01:39:51] <XXCoder> BOB has PWM output, I guess I connect that to PWM board
[01:40:08] <XXCoder> but thats in future, just want cnc steppers to work well before working on spindle
[01:40:54] <archivist> I used a little dc to dc supply
[01:41:19] <XXCoder> im quite vague on wiring a spindle
[01:41:41] <minibnz> i should probably work out how to link my spindle encoder up to the pwm output so when i say go 100rpm it does.. at the moment i just pick a number and it has no real reference to the speed
[01:42:05] <XXCoder> I'm still waiting for my induction rpm sensor
[01:43:00] <minibnz> XCoder there should be a signal 0-10v that controls the speed of the spindle, you feed that from your spindle BOB
[01:43:17] <XXCoder> ya thats what im reffering to when I say pwm output on BOB
[01:43:40] <XXCoder> spindle im not too worried, cant wire that up till I get better on soldering. bought soldering kit today
[01:44:09] <XXCoder> my ultimate goal is to solder together all currently spliced together wires also, so machine is "waterproof"
[01:44:26] <minibnz> is it pwm or 0-10v? one is a square wave that varies its off and on time (pwm) the other is analog voltage that signals speeed. the two are not directly compatible..
[01:44:48] <minibnz> XXCoder get yourself some glueshrink to make waterproof joints
[01:45:06] <XXCoder> heatstrunker dont work?
[01:45:08] <Wolf_> aka dual wall heat shrink
[01:46:43] <minibnz> XXCoder if your BOB is putting out PWM and the spindle wants 0-10v analog you need a converter board.. (or a resistor and capacitor)
[01:47:05] <XXCoder> minibnz: I said I have PWM board ready for it :)
[01:47:24] <XXCoder> BOB has 0-10v and pwm board is seperate, come with spindle
[01:47:54] <minibnz> ahh sweet so you have all you need by the sounds of it.. you just need to wire it in.. :)
[01:48:11] <Wolf_> I’ll probably end up using the mesa adapter for my spindles
[01:48:30] <XXCoder> ya, I want feedback also so im still waiting fot tachmeter heh
[01:48:39] <XXCoder> it uses induction and magnet to do so
[01:48:52] <minibnz> i ordered a pwm to analog converter for $6 off ebay.. still waiting on it.. i got impatient and built my own...
[01:49:12] <Wolf_> http://store.mesanet.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=205&search=spin
[01:49:27] <minibnz> XXCoder that will be good for speed control but not if you want to do rigid tapping
[01:49:36] <XXCoder> yeah I dont plan to do that
[01:49:43] <XXCoder> I would need real encoder for that
[01:50:12] <XXCoder> rpm is suffecent for me, since I cant hear it cut good or not, nor hear it stall
[01:50:20] <minibnz> well i made my own.. 48 holes drilled in a wheel with photo-interrupters
[01:50:42] <minibnz> ahh i see.. rpm will be a great addition.
[01:50:56] <XXCoder> if I was any good I could use moe than one magnet for finer resolution
[01:51:25] <XXCoder> lights is flickering more and more
[01:51:34] <XXCoder> I doubt I can do movement test today,.
[01:51:59] <XXCoder> so to confirm BOB dont need power source itself and are powered directly by lpt1?
[01:52:24] <Wolf_> I
[01:52:25] <archivist> bob does need power
[01:52:37] <archivist> the usb connector
[01:52:50] <IchGucksLive> morning from Germany
[01:52:52] <XXCoder> usb connector I dont plan to use
[01:52:53] <Wolf_> i’m mostly sure you don’t need the 12v, mine does have 5v in from usb tho
[01:53:02] <XXCoder> good night from snowing northwest
[01:53:05] <archivist> you do need 5v
[01:53:06] <IchGucksLive> after the best superbowl night ever ;-)
[01:53:09] <Wolf_> 12v input may have a 5v reg on it
[01:53:57] <archivist> I think the 12v side is/should be isolated from 5v
[01:54:05] <IchGucksLive> mist BOB need 12V for the input to work
[01:54:26] <Wolf_> I’ve actually only used that one BOB as a bench tester
[01:54:41] <IchGucksLive> archivist: yes as special as you go for pwm and 0-10V
[01:55:05] <XXCoder> so it needs power to supply 0-10v PWM
[01:55:12] <XXCoder> but not to power itself?
[01:55:47] <XXCoder> (that 12v input)
[01:56:19] <IchGucksLive> http://www.ebay.de/itm/CNC-5-Axis-Interface-Breakout-Board-fur-Stepper-Motor-Driver-CNC-Mill-MACH3/262500063058
[01:56:22] <IchGucksLive> this one
[01:56:30] <IchGucksLive> needs 5V for the output
[01:56:38] <IchGucksLive> 12V for the inputs to work
[01:56:53] <IchGucksLive> and the 0-10 is isolated to both
[01:57:11] <XXCoder> my PSU is 24v (+12v and -12v) board has 12v/24v input
[01:57:16] <IchGucksLive> as trhe GND from 0-10 out goes separate from VFD
[01:57:18] <XXCoder> but where do I get 5v?
[01:57:23] <Wolf_> thats the same bob
[01:57:28] <Wolf_> I have here
[01:57:45] <IchGucksLive> depending on mashining
[01:57:47] <archivist> usb cable to pc
[01:57:53] <IchGucksLive> standard MILL
[01:57:59] <XXCoder> so usb to get 5v power
[01:58:02] <archivist> yes
[01:58:06] <XXCoder> so usb is required also. ok
[01:58:09] <IchGucksLive> http://foengarage.de/4achs_elek.jpg
[01:58:19] <IchGucksLive> you can use a 36V psu in total
[01:58:29] <IchGucksLive> as i use it for the education mashine
[01:58:32] <IchGucksLive> all out of one
[01:58:45] <IchGucksLive> left top is LM2566
[01:58:46] <XXCoder> what is tiny blue boards top left of psu?
[01:59:04] <IchGucksLive> they supply 12V and 5V
[01:59:08] <Wolf_> it has a lm317m on the bob
[01:59:13] <XXCoder> cool
[01:59:39] <IchGucksLive> the lm is only to get the 12V for the PWM
[01:59:59] <IchGucksLive> so out of 24V there are 12V generated on the board
[02:00:07] <IchGucksLive> or if you supply 12V
[02:00:15] <IchGucksLive> oly 8 is out of 0-10V
[02:00:21] <Wolf_> XXCoder: the blue things http://www.ebay.com/itm/301120877446
[02:01:04] <IchGucksLive> XXCoder: be arare this blue boards need isolation
[02:01:11] <IchGucksLive> ount plates are sourced
[02:01:17] <IchGucksLive> you can kill all
[02:01:29] <IchGucksLive> on direkt Steelplpate mount
[02:02:04] <XXCoder> so I will also need 12v 5v as well as 24v?
[02:02:12] <IchGucksLive> Glimmer and IS screwsheets
[02:02:20] <XXCoder> 5v via usb, 12v via (currently no source) and 24v via psu
[02:02:38] <IchGucksLive> i use 36V PSU
[02:03:00] <IchGucksLive> down by LM2566 to 13.6V
[02:03:09] <IchGucksLive> into BOB
[02:03:21] <IchGucksLive> and for all the 12V like Fans
[02:03:32] <XXCoder> Wolf_: is there more complete picture of wiring?
[02:03:50] <Wolf_> on my mill?
[02:03:54] <IchGucksLive> i will upload one moment
[02:04:00] <XXCoder> ich thanks
[02:04:10] <Wolf_> not really, its a big ball of wire and I used a diff BOB on it
[02:04:42] <CaptHindsight> ich schlafen gehen
[02:04:49] <Wolf_> nice and clear http://i.imgur.com/iAeCFWH.jpg lol
[02:04:58] <XXCoder> extremely so. lol
[02:05:37] <Wolf_> and its not all there in the pic
[02:05:56] <Wolf_> there is a relay board missing in that photo
[02:06:11] <IchGucksLive> XXCoder: http://foengarage.de/dokuPower.zip
[02:06:16] <XXCoder> spindle pwm on left of tb6600s?
[02:06:39] <Wolf_> yeah, just the spindle board out of the X1 mill
[02:07:03] <archivist> mine in rats nest form http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2015/2015_10_14_cnc_bob/IMG_2013.JPG
[02:07:38] <minibnz> <XXCoder> i found these work great https://www.jaycar.com.au/arduino-compatible-dc-voltage-regulator/p/XC4514
[02:08:10] <CaptHindsight> what are the six blue boards located over the blue tape?
[02:08:11] <IchGucksLive> minibnz: why doing things new if bars is less then 1usd
[02:08:14] <XXCoder> mini nice, can make "one box" setup with that
[02:09:09] <IchGucksLive> i do more like fully isolated Relais FTR
[02:09:12] <minibnz> i can walk up the road and buy one of these 7 days a week.. (during normal business hours)
[02:09:23] <XXCoder> I have very nice wire connectors to control power sources I can use that
[02:09:44] <XXCoder> similiar to your "klemmblock"
[02:09:55] <IchGucksLive> XXCoder: to mee
[02:10:04] <CaptHindsight> Wolf_: ^^ ?
[02:10:29] <Wolf_> volt/amp led display
[02:10:32] <IchGucksLive> XXCoder: 4 connectros at 80cents so its cheep
[02:10:42] <CaptHindsight> Wolf_: thanks
[02:10:47] <XXCoder> yeah, but know whats cheaper? already has. lol
[02:11:10] <IchGucksLive> i do not stra as every order is different
[02:11:16] <IchGucksLive> store
[02:11:33] <IchGucksLive> XXCoder: did you download the EL dokumentation
[02:11:36] <Wolf_> CaptHindsight: front http://i.imgur.com/l7KoMTm.jpg
[02:11:41] <XXCoder> yeah reading it now
[02:11:50] <IchGucksLive> then i will delete it
[02:12:04] <XXCoder> tb6600s use 24v power inout correct?
[02:12:34] <IchGucksLive> max 40
[02:12:50] <XXCoder> whew so that part I dont have to rewire heh
[02:12:51] <IchGucksLive> so i go for cheep 36V
[02:12:59] <XXCoder> my psu is 24v
[02:13:05] <IchGucksLive> and use 2A 3V steppers
[02:13:25] <IchGucksLive> XXCoder: if yoiu use 5V steppers its not enoph
[02:13:37] <IchGucksLive> to get them on sped
[02:13:48] <XXCoder> yea its one that comes with kit, maybe evenually upgrade
[02:13:54] <XXCoder> I have much bigger psu for spindle
[02:14:14] <XXCoder> brb looing what it is
[02:14:29] <IchGucksLive> the M542 clones are mutch more Tollerand on the Low V
[02:15:14] <XXCoder> 48v 20a for spindle
[02:15:22] <XXCoder> spindle is 400w
[02:15:29] <IchGucksLive> thats the best to go for 4Axis
[02:15:48] <IchGucksLive> at near 4m/min speed
[02:15:56] <IchGucksLive> workes great
[02:16:19] <IchGucksLive> ok the psu has 10A
[02:16:36] <XXCoder> 24v 10a for BOB and 3 tb6600s
[02:16:42] <XXCoder> 3 2a steppers
[02:16:45] <IchGucksLive> 3Nm 2.4V
[02:17:11] <IchGucksLive> do you got a link to the stepers
[02:17:18] <XXCoder> ya a second
[02:17:32] <IchGucksLive> from wantai or onlinesteppers i guess
[02:18:07] <XXCoder> http://img.vip.alibaba.com/img/pb/448/472/751/751472448_743.jpg
[02:18:28] <XXCoder> 3a apparently
[02:18:55] <IchGucksLive> the crap stepeprs 110Ncm only
[02:19:21] <XXCoder> yeah evenually upgrade that lol
[02:19:32] <XXCoder> its powerful enough for my router
[02:20:15] <IchGucksLive> http://www.omc-stepperonline.com/nema-23-cnc-stepper-motor-24nm340ozin-18a-23hs411804s-p-126.html
[02:20:37] <IchGucksLive> realy the bst i got so far at this numbers
[02:20:40] <XXCoder> thats not bad
[02:21:15] <IchGucksLive> they are bigger
[02:21:31] <IchGucksLive> but no heat at 8hr full force
[02:21:32] <XXCoder> still nema23 standard so would fit mine
[02:21:32] <pfred1> what do they cost to ship?
[02:21:51] <pfred1> stepper motors weigh more than bricks
[02:21:56] <IchGucksLive> pfred1: to europ
[02:22:40] <XXCoder> 46 bucks to ship to usa lol
[02:22:48] <pfred1> yeah
[02:22:56] <IchGucksLive> ther are in usa available
[02:23:00] <pfred1> costs twice as much to ship as they cost
[02:23:05] <IchGucksLive> also here in Hamburg
[02:23:09] <IchGucksLive> and frankfurt
[02:23:26] <XXCoder> whats weird is that it uses less amp, just 1.8a
[02:23:29] <IchGucksLive> search your ebay on NEMA23 340OZ
[02:23:30] <Wolf_> https://www.dropbox.com/s/tk0rfbs6wjxodcw/Nema23%20397ozin%20.rtf?dl=0 are the cheap steppers i have
[02:23:38] <pfred1> yeah that seems sketchy to me
[02:23:45] <XXCoder> mine is 3a
[02:23:46] <minibnz> i just purchased these today.. http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/272537545283?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
[02:23:49] <pfred1> my 200 oz/in motors are 2 amps
[02:24:05] <minibnz> 425oz/in $160au for three delivered
[02:24:39] <IchGucksLive> the 425 need 4.2A on that nforce
[02:24:57] <IchGucksLive> ok i will close here
[02:25:01] <IchGucksLive> till later
[02:25:13] <minibnz> same i gotta go.. will talk with you all later..
[02:25:17] <XXCoder> later
[02:25:45] <XXCoder> http://www.ebay.com/itm/US-Ship-3pcs-High-Torque-Nema-23-CNC-Stepper-Motor-425oz-in-4-Lead-DIY-CNC-Kit-/231596049990
[02:25:51] <pfred1> with good linear rails and actuators a machine doesn't need really heavy motors
[02:26:08] <pfred1> well a router engraver
[02:26:11] <XXCoder> it needs 4.2A, 24-48v
[02:26:19] <XXCoder> stats is closer to make sense
[02:26:21] <pfred1> yeah weird specs
[02:26:25] <Wolf_> my x1 can break 3/8” carbide endmills without trying
[02:27:04] <pfred1> yeah for a metal working machine you need a lot of power
[02:27:35] <Wolf_> it has “425”oz/in steppers
[02:28:10] <Wolf_> damn thing shoved a alum block right through the end mill like it wasn’t there
[02:28:18] <pfred1> holding torque is almost a meaningless value
[02:28:36] <pfred1> it is torque at speed that matters
[02:28:56] <XXCoder> heh mine is fairly pathtic weak
[02:29:04] <XXCoder> but then most times wood only anyway
[02:29:20] <XXCoder> I want tpo try make nylon puck rod gage holders
[02:29:22] <pfred1> that's all I do is wood some plastic a PCB
[02:29:45] <Wolf_> I have 470w nema 34 BLDC servos but I think those are overkill for a x2 mill lol
[02:29:57] <pfred1> I just engraved this http://i.imgur.com/M7tob2Y.jpg
[02:29:59] <XXCoder> mine is quite small
[02:30:03] <XXCoder> 3040 cnc rputer lol
[02:30:32] <XXCoder> heh I plan to 3d print my collet holder
[02:30:56] <pfred1> I'm on the fence with a 3D printer
[02:31:06] <pfred1> I can think of a few uses for one but I donno
[02:31:16] <XXCoder> pf its handy but same very annoying, expecially if you cheap out
[02:31:28] <XXCoder> its better off to just order prints
[02:31:36] <XXCoder> if 1 or 2 a year
[02:33:30] <pfred1> I hear bad things about the acrylic frame Prusia clones
[02:33:40] <Wolf_> I have fun with my printer, seems to go in runs tho, be printing non stop for a couple weeks then collects dust for a few months
[02:34:04] <Wolf_> I really want a cheap laser cutter
[02:34:11] <XXCoder> pf dunno, mine is 2020 flsun clone of prusa printer lol
[02:34:23] <XXCoder> wolf I found REALLY cheap ones on aliexpress
[02:34:25] <pfred1> yeah aluminum is OK
[02:34:36] <XXCoder> buy it, throw away frame and put rest of hardware on your machine
[02:34:43] <Wolf_> XXCoder: 40W K40 on ebay $350
[02:34:55] <Wolf_> USA shipped as well
[02:35:02] <pfred1> I hate laser cut wood
[02:35:19] <pfred1> you can only cut like baltic birch too
[02:35:27] <XXCoder> you love smell of laswer cut wood in mornings eh ;)
[02:35:31] <pfred1> regular plywood screws up the optics
[02:35:51] <Wolf_> yeah, need good extraction and air assist on it
[02:36:06] <pfred1> I've heard horror stories from people
[02:36:10] <Wolf_> which stock they don’t have air assist and extractor sucks
[02:36:16] <XXCoder> or just get fracking sharks with fracking lasers
[02:36:18] <Wolf_> control board sucks
[02:36:28] <Wolf_> software sucks
[02:36:48] <pfred1> LinuxCNC can laser cut can't it?
[02:37:06] <Wolf_> so really, just need to expect $350-400 you’re spending is for the case, laser tube and psu
[02:37:06] <XXCoder> Wolf_: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/2016-New-cnc-engraving-machine-NEJE-1000mW-Automatic-DIY-Print-laser-engraver-mini-USB-Engraving-Machine/32740025325.html
[02:37:09] <pfred1> like it can modulate the beam and all
[02:37:21] <XXCoder> one im talking about. rip guts out use your mill
[02:37:27] <Wolf_> 1000mW isn’t close to 40W
[02:37:39] <XXCoder> I know it isnt but its good for basic engrave
[02:38:14] <Wolf_> thats like saying I want a 3d printer and you telling me to get a inkjet :P
[02:38:41] <XXCoder> true, that. lol
[02:38:46] <pfred1> Wolf_ this is what you want https://www.aliexpress.com/item/RedStar-High-power-80000mW-50000mW-10000mW-Blue-laser-pointer-shot-bird-light-cigarrete-blow-soldering/32247541383.html?spm=2114.10010108.1000014.6.tX7jax&scm=1007.13338.46806.0&pvid=64de2edc-d8f6-42bb-a625-f184d83f9d99&tpp=1
[02:38:58] <Deejay> moin
[02:39:01] <pfred1> I hear those things are deadly
[02:39:05] <XXCoder> 50w * chineseunits = 5w
[02:39:55] <pfred1> [RedStar]XY-017 High power 50000mW 10000mW Blue laser pointer strong laser light cigarrete blow solder Laser cannon laser gun
[02:39:58] <Wolf_> lol
[02:40:03] <pfred1> :)
[02:40:08] <Wolf_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/40W-CO2-USB-Laser-Engraving-Cutting-Machine-Engraver-Cutter-300-x-200mm-/252722345156
[02:40:09] <XXCoder> its 50w 10w laser
[02:40:33] <pfred1> it's a cannon!
[02:41:06] <Wolf_> ooo 5 sec to light a cig
[02:41:31] <XXCoder> if its good conuous laser, make a light station at smoke break area
[02:41:43] <XXCoder> so its press button light cig
[02:42:30] <pfred1> https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1YEdZHXXXXXcJXpXXq6xXFXXXa/202027522/HTB1YEdZHXXXXXcJXpXXq6xXFXXXa.jpg
[02:42:32] <XXCoder> even better, use weak laser to trigger powerful one when cig is blocking line of sensor
[02:42:37] <pfred1> Crazy laser
[02:42:50] <XXCoder> zero physical wear, infinite life (assuming diodes has that also but not really)
[02:43:04] <XXCoder> probit use of minors
[02:43:15] <pfred1> this one says it can't run more than 30 seconds
[02:43:34] <XXCoder> yeah means need weak laser to trigger it, it run 5 seconds lol
[02:44:03] <pfred1> you can do this with it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uxe8I5p4OJE
[02:44:19] <XXCoder> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/GRBL-control-Diy-2418-mini-CNC-high-power-laser-engraving-machine-3-Axis-pcb-Milling-machine/32714970635.html
[02:44:23] <XXCoder> both laser and cnc
[02:44:50] <pfred1> XXCoder I donno about gerbling
[02:45:03] <XXCoder> herding cats lol
[02:45:24] <pfred1> that's one of the best videos on youtube
[02:45:47] <pfred1> the pack of cats out the window with the laser beam is brilliant
[02:50:48] <pfred1> I like how you scroll down this page and it says, Metals? No!
[02:56:30] <XXCoder> lol
[02:59:33] <pfred1> unsupported round guides are not very robust
[03:00:02] <XXCoder> yeah its quite weak
[03:36:30] <pink_vampire> 4th axis vs http://www.ebay.com/itm/Miu-Miu-Bow-Embellishe-wbr-d-Ankle-Strap-Sandals-black-leather-heels-sz-34-5-NEW-/142254635967?&_trksid=p2056016.l4276
[03:36:41] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: ^
[03:36:49] <XXCoder> looking
[03:37:18] <XXCoder> lol most expensive shoe I have bought, ever, is $120 dollars
[03:39:09] <XXCoder> so yeah cant help you decide on that sadly
[03:41:02] <pink_vampire> :(
[03:49:21] <archivist> 4th axis every time
[04:08:33] <pink_vampire> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5gpoZzwcKY
[04:10:40] <XXCoder> third one arent robot
[04:14:24] <Wolf_> 3rd one is why you don’t pick up your concrete labor at home depot in the morning
[04:14:42] <XXCoder> one isnt a fail, just spoooooky
[04:20:53] <XXCoder> this kind of creepy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03eNODCDdqY
[04:24:50] <gonzo_> women's shoes??? did I join the right channel?
[05:02:33] <XXCoder> pink_vampire: I got idea for you
[05:02:45] <XXCoder> buy 4th axis, use it to mill wood sole for that shoe
[05:03:05] <XXCoder> well rest of it you gonna figure how to make. cheaper ;) and you has 4th axis at end! lol
[05:07:55] <pink_vampire> O_O
[05:07:59] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: ^^
[05:08:24] <XXCoder> :D
[05:09:03] <XXCoder> this is cool https://github.com/manticorp/GCodeArcOptimiser
[05:09:20] <XXCoder> its made for 3d printers which no slicer has g2 g3 support
[05:09:33] <XXCoder> might be useful for gcode optitizion lol
[05:09:44] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: what do you mean?
[05:10:08] <XXCoder> if gcode has lots of g1 to generate curves or circles
[05:10:23] <XXCoder> that script figures if it is arc or circles and convert it to g2 or g3
[05:10:49] <XXCoder> largely useless for cnc milling I guess as most cam supports g2 g3
[05:13:19] <pink_vampire> the power hacksaw is running
[05:13:23] <pink_vampire> soo cute
[05:13:38] <XXCoder> that restored old one?
[05:13:44] <pink_vampire> I see what you mean
[05:14:00] <pink_vampire> it's just clean
[05:14:13] <XXCoder> nice
[05:14:20] <XXCoder> sometimes old tools are awesome
[05:14:33] <XXCoder> I have 1950s starret mic and I use it all the goddamn time lol
[05:15:06] <pink_vampire> it was in a good condition, so other then very good cleaning it was all fine.
[05:15:18] <pink_vampire> mic..
[05:15:20] <pink_vampire> no.
[05:15:28] <XXCoder> i'm talking about my moic
[05:16:10] <pink_vampire> micrometer?
[05:16:14] <XXCoder> yeah
[05:16:35] <XXCoder> I bought it off ebay year ago, and been in constant use since it got certifief
[05:17:52] <XXCoder> anyway
[05:18:02] <XXCoder> so youre now slicing some metal e
[05:18:11] <pink_vampire> I love the feeling that I'm cutting 1" and actually get 1". with a micrometer, you can't have that grate feeling all the time (only sometime)
[05:20:16] <XXCoder> indeed
[05:20:34] <XXCoder> I dont use slicer ever, but I used to use sheet cutter machine heh
[05:20:52] <jthornton> morning
[05:21:01] <pink_vampire> hi jthornton
[05:21:01] <XXCoder> used to cout sheet all time
[05:21:29] <pink_vampire> I"m not sure what do you mean.
[05:21:35] <XXCoder> sec
[05:21:38] <pink_vampire> ok
[05:21:43] <XXCoder> min heh
[05:23:36] <XXCoder> sorry was playing game heh
[05:23:47] <pink_vampire> hmmm
[05:23:53] <XXCoder> anyway at old job I used to cut big alum sheets into smaller square ones
[05:24:05] <XXCoder> so I can use em as surifical plates when making flat parts
[05:24:39] <XXCoder> put it in fixture, put part sheet on top of it
[05:24:57] <XXCoder> so it cuts parts and some of plate bleow it, but it dont touch fixture
[05:25:10] <XXCoder> man that old job.. I made tooooons of flat part.
[05:26:24] <pink_vampire> sheet metal can be fun, only if you have the tools for it.
[05:26:39] <XXCoder> they always used sucky tool
[05:26:47] <XXCoder> I hated it
[05:26:55] <XXCoder> one flute one
[05:27:07] <XXCoder> theorically it makes very smooth edges
[05:27:16] <XXCoder> it does but leaves a messy burr
[05:27:27] <pink_vampire> what is a "sucky tool"?
[05:27:43] <XXCoder> not very good tool
[05:28:36] <pink_vampire> it's 6am here.
[05:28:47] <XXCoder> 3 am here
[05:28:57] <XXCoder> heavy snow and sleet here
[05:29:09] <XXCoder> power problems lol I just hope it dont black out before my alarm goes off
[05:29:17] <XXCoder> because it uses 2 lamps to wake me up
[05:29:32] <Jymmm> rewire it to a stun gun
[05:29:35] <XXCoder> battery backup only keeps clock correct time, it cant power lights
[05:29:41] <XXCoder> lol
[05:30:17] <Jymmm> XXCoder: get a COB module
[05:30:52] <XXCoder> jy it dont matter, it still need plug
[05:31:04] <Jymmm> XXCoder: 12VDC
[05:31:16] <XXCoder> lol that wouldnt wake me up
[05:31:22] <Jymmm> bet me
[05:31:33] <XXCoder> both lights is "100w" or 1200 lumen
[05:32:04] <Jymmm> that aint shit, my keychain flashlight is 950 lumen and uses one 18650
[05:32:21] <Jymmm> strobe it, and it'll wake you up
[05:32:35] <XXCoder> yeah though im sure it will run out of battery evenually. I prefer plug
[05:32:57] <Jymmm> 18650 = re chargable
[05:38:29] <jym> This storm is killing my connection *sigh*
[05:38:55] <XXCoder> here power flickers sometimes
[05:39:01] <XXCoder> but not blackout yet
[05:39:13] <XXCoder> one of fairly rare snow/sleet day
[05:39:30] <jym> True, no flicking either
[05:40:50] <pink_vampire> I need an idea about machining some part
[05:41:15] <XXCoder> ask away
[05:41:43] <archivist> I make impossible to hold items on the end of a bar of the material
[05:42:24] <miss0r> I have a question for you guys. On my rescently aquired surface grinder I am having an issue with the drive belt. Its a flat belt made of some sort of nylon, thats woven together. It actualy looks like the straps used when securing cargo on trucks. The problem is - when I start the spindle motor it falls off. If I give the spindle a good spinning start by hand and then start the motor, 1/3 times the belt stays
[05:42:24] <miss0r> on. When the spindle is up to speed, the belt will stay there quite stable. but theres some sort of friction at startup that pushes the belt off. Do you guys have an idea what can cause this/how to mend it?
[05:43:00] <archivist> tighten
[05:43:01] <sync_> misalignment
[05:43:21] <jym> miss0r: Is there a adjtment on it? Much like a belt sander?
[05:43:30] <archivist> if you stop slip it wont come off
[05:44:03] <miss0r> I can ajust it some. i.e. the motor is on a hinge, so I guess I can do something there
[05:44:05] <archivist> miss0r, other method, a vfd reduce acceleration
[05:44:25] <miss0r> archivist: That is also an option, althou it seems a bit exessive
[05:44:39] <pink_vampire> front http://i.imgur.com/SmkIOqs.png back http://i.imgur.com/ZOgSHvo.png
[05:44:58] <jym> miss0r: That's tension, I meant adjuement from being parallel with each other
[05:45:03] <archivist> third method, not reliable some spray on "grip" anti slip
[05:45:07] <pink_vampire> the part is 50x40x10mm
[05:45:28] <pink_vampire> any idea how to hold it?
[05:45:32] <XXCoder> I see a way
[05:45:37] <XXCoder> see the tabs on bottom?
[05:45:38] <archivist> flat belts are on crowned wheels and the belt self aligns
[05:45:48] <miss0r> jym: no ajustment option there
[05:45:48] <XXCoder> it can be a way to secure part to complete milling
[05:46:18] <miss0r> archivist: I would be worried about the balance if I sprayed stuff on there
[05:46:19] <jym> miss0r: does it always slip off in the same direction?
[05:46:26] <XXCoder> and when it is complete, do the tabs cuts at botton as last step
[05:46:38] <miss0r> jym: yeah, it always falls off the back of the machine
[05:46:40] <jym> pink_vampire: crazy glue
[05:46:50] <archivist> miss0r, I used to use the spray on the southbend, horrible stuff
[05:46:53] <pink_vampire> it is better to first remove the material from the "U" shape? or to leave it for the end?
[05:47:05] <pink_vampire> jym: you mean JB WELD?
[05:47:07] <XXCoder> the inside part you can delay till later
[05:47:13] <miss0r> archivist: You are realy selling that 3rd option of yours :)
[05:47:13] <jym> miss0r: check how parallel they are would be my best guess and go from there
[05:47:21] <XXCoder> make cutting rest of it easier and much more stiff.
[05:47:31] <XXCoder> leave say .1" material inside
[05:47:36] <jym> pink_vampire: crazy glue is temporary, isn't that what you want?
[05:47:42] <archivist> miss0r, you can have my 30 year old rusty can
[05:48:01] <pink_vampire> jym: but it is going to be aluminum part.
[05:48:04] <miss0r> jym: I did that measurement, and it is enough that I can't see anything out of order with a machinist square
[05:48:26] <miss0r> archivist: if only it had been in mint condition
[05:48:27] <jym> miss0r: without pics, I can't suggest anything else
[05:48:58] <miss0r> I understand. But a picture is almost out of the question. I can try.. but it is standing close to a wall. give me a sec
[05:49:13] <XXCoder> pink basically step 1: cut details on this side https://i.imgur.com/SmkIOqs.png
[05:49:30] <XXCoder> then turn it over and do other side
[05:49:38] <jym> pink_vampire: You just asked how to hold it, since it has holes I'd assume that it was menat to be bolted to something and you just need to hold it during fabrication, hense crazy glue + acetone (or torch) to remove
[05:49:58] <jym> pink_vampire: Else, rephrase the question in more details
[05:50:09] <miss0r> heh. pictures won't be needed afterall :)
[05:50:39] <XXCoder> pink_vampire: other way is do sides first, so you have nice sharp corner there, and grip it upwards to drill and chamfer those 2 holes
[05:50:44] <miss0r> I just tightened the belt, and now I have started it 3 times in a row with no problems. I was just under the impression that the weight of the motor was supposed to be enough ^^
[05:50:53] <XXCoder> then use those as bolt on for rest of operations
[05:51:03] <XXCoder> then finally cut bottom
[05:51:26] <jym> or just make a fixture
[05:51:33] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: I see few issues with the way you say.
[05:51:40] <XXCoder> jym: yeah my suggestion requires fixture too
[05:51:40] <miss0r> XXCoder: What is that part for?
[05:51:41] <archivist> miss0r, name on tin grako sprayzon
[05:51:50] <XXCoder> almost no way to make that poart without fixture.
[05:52:00] <XXCoder> miss ask pink
[05:52:09] <miss0r> archivist: no matter how you dice it, that sounds somewhat poisones :D
[05:52:10] <archivist> http://www.tygrisindustrial.com/product/aerosol-belt-dressing-anti-slip-r215
[05:52:23] <miss0r> pink_vampire: What is that part for?
[05:53:26] <miss0r> archivist: Did you understand what kind of belt I have from my description?
[05:53:56] <XXCoder> pink_vampire: keystone grip jaws might help make it easier for certain steps, and for points you can use bolts on you need fixture, a way to hold part, bolted on, horzionally outards, for both sides
[05:54:16] <archivist> miss0r, sure, adjusting tension or acceleration is best bet
[05:54:51] <miss0r> archivist: yeah, but the specific belt type? does that mean anything to you? I have never seen this type of belt used anywhere else
[05:55:29] <archivist> miss0r, woven can be more flexible for high speed
[05:55:55] <miss0r> I guess. Its just the first time i've come across it
[05:56:12] <archivist> so there is a compromise tension v speed which adds tension
[05:58:35] <pink_vampire> i think first is to square the stock to the outer dimensions of the part, then to cut the back side (just one cut), then the bottom side, then to cut each side + drilling, then to mount it back to the table and to cut the U shape, the the front details + drilling.
[05:59:43] <archivist> sometimes, adjust design so it is simple to make
[06:00:27] <archivist> other times design a jig so it is reversable
[06:01:09] <pink_vampire> archivist: I'm going to leave 1/16" fillets in the U shape, other then that, I think is the simplest.
[06:02:08] <archivist> here I wanted to machine both sides of a gear made a jig http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=racing+gears
[06:03:22] <pink_vampire> archivist: http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2008/2008_10_07_cnc_Racing_gears/p1010080.jpg
[06:03:37] <pink_vampire> how did you make the small gear on the large one?
[06:03:48] <pink_vampire> is that a single part?
[06:04:02] <archivist> pressed together
[06:04:31] <archivist> interference fit
[06:04:51] <pink_vampire> this is what i thought
[08:05:21] <MacGalempsy> morning
[08:45:17] <JT-Shop> morning
[08:49:39] <MacGalempsy> jt are you shipping a bunch of weekend orders today?
[08:51:12] <JT-Shop> yea
[08:51:32] <MacGalempsy> cha ching
[09:12:16] <JT-Shop> funny thing not one is for the US
[09:23:35] <MacGalempsy> dang
[09:36:42] <JT-Shop> usps is easy but ups is a PIA as they only take international packages between 4:30pm and 5:30pm M-F so I have to find myself in town late in the evening
[09:37:18] <gregcnc> what? an hour window?
[09:40:53] <MacGalempsy> sounds like a gov regulation on who can accept foriegn packages
[09:45:47] <JT-Shop> I drop usps off at the drug store lol
[09:46:00] * JT-Shop heads to the industrial park
[09:48:46] <JT-Shop> naw the ups store won't accept international packages so you have to go to the ups hub
[10:05:16] <IchGucksLive> hi to all patriot fans in the USA what a game FROM sunny germany
[10:18:47] <skunkworks_> linuxcnc
[10:25:56] <CaptHindsight> JT-Shop: when did that start?
[10:27:02] <IchGucksLive> skunkworks_: what else
[10:28:24] <skunkworks_> huh
[10:28:38] <skunkworks_> don't that is where the keyboard output went...
[10:39:55] <IchGucksLive> im off till later
[12:13:21] <JT-Shop> CaptHindsight: been that way forever here
[13:05:43] <JT-Shop> skunkworks: when you get a minute I like to pick your brain a bit
[13:08:28] <CaptHindsight> JT-Shop: the UPS stores here will ship anything that fits through the door anywhere
[13:08:47] <JT-Shop> I guess it's up to the store owner
[13:10:57] <CaptHindsight> I ship 5gal pails filled with liquids international just about every day
[13:13:38] <JT-Shop> lucky you
[13:13:59] <skunkworks_> JT-Shop, here
[13:15:58] <CaptHindsight> JT-Shop: you had me spooked that it was some new thing
[13:18:13] <JT-Shop> skunkworks: pm
[13:37:11] <MacGalempsy> just a reminder that vday is in 8 days so if you plan on taking your old lady to dinner, call for rsvp now
[13:38:27] <roycroft> for next year?
[13:38:30] <roycroft> :)
[13:38:45] <MacGalempsy> only if you know she loves the place
[13:47:50] <jdh> and she will do the same on march 14th
[13:48:16] <MacGalempsy> whats up on the mar-14?
[14:01:18] <MacGalempsy> you celebrate the ides of march? heh
[14:01:43] <MacGalempsy> (mar-21)
[14:02:05] <JT-Shop> you gotta love it when you get this "I followed the instructions and it still doesn't work"
[14:02:18] <MacGalempsy> heh.
[14:02:20] <JT-Shop> you just want to say "no you didn't follow the instructions!"
[14:02:31] <MacGalempsy> you or someone else? cuz I use that quite often with linux. lol
[14:02:40] <_methods> maybe he was looking at the back of a bag of chocolate chips
[14:02:50] <_methods> wrong instructions
[14:03:01] <MacGalempsy> thats usually it
[14:03:31] <JT-Shop> usually they skip some important step
[14:03:34] <MacGalempsy> on the hotline. press 1 if you are ok with paying up after we follow the instructions together and it works
[14:05:18] <MacGalempsy> well I knocked the CL program down to 35 rungs from 50
[14:06:41] <JT-Shop> nice
[14:07:23] <MacGalempsy> hopefully I didnt over think it
[14:09:56] <pcw_mesa> vday is our anniversary so I better not forget it...
[14:10:05] <JT-Shop> stupid me yesterday forgot to configure the camera to talk to a compactlogix PLC
[14:10:26] <MacGalempsy> pcw_mesa: where are you taking her?
[14:11:02] <pcw_mesa> Probably our favorite local Italian place
[14:12:03] <MacGalempsy> sounds fun
[14:13:09] <MacGalempsy> question with an incremental encoder (without index channel) how do I go about setting a proximity sensor to act as the index marker?
[14:13:23] <MacGalempsy> this is on a spindle
[14:14:13] <MacGalempsy> easy as encoder.n.phase-z?
[14:14:18] <JT-Shop> in SF on a steep hill was this little Italian place called Al Capps yummy
[14:22:45] <pcw_mesa> just connect it to the encoder Z input (if its a 5V signal)
[14:23:04] <MacGalempsy> its 24v
[14:24:17] <pcw_mesa> is is a NPN or PNP prox?
[14:24:35] <pcw_mesa> is it
[14:25:02] <MacGalempsy> not quite sure. I have it plugged into the 24v and when I spin it to the position, it goes true
[14:26:05] <pcw_mesa> a NPN prox will work (just use a pull-up resistor to 5V)
[14:26:31] <MacGalempsy> ok. I think I remember how to do that
[14:26:51] <pcw_mesa> otherwise an optocoupler will do the translation
[14:27:24] <MacGalempsy> this is on the 7i77. can i go direct or use the pull-up?
[14:44:41] <pcw_mesa> The 7I77 encoder inputs in TTL mode have a 2K pullup to 5V so should work with a NPN prox but check levels first
[14:45:37] <pcw_mesa> ( that is, don't connect 24V signals to the 7I77 encoder inputs)
[14:51:39] <_methods> anyone got a copy of iso9001:2015?
[14:56:53] * JT-Shop gets serious and puts the 3/4 pitch blade on the bandsaw
[14:58:07] <MacGalempsy> ok thanks
[15:12:26] <_methods> nm got it
[15:46:16] <CaptHindsight> anyone else use http://www.koolrite.com/Koolrite_2290.php? or anything similar, looking for other options
[15:46:51] <CaptHindsight> the Koolrite is fine, just wondering if there are better deals
[16:03:09] <XXCoder> tachmeter just arrived
[16:03:22] <XXCoder> smaller than I expected but thats good, easier to place.
[16:08:17] <Deejay> gn8
[16:09:21] <CaptHindsight> https://images.craigslist.org/00a0a_2FGPeToRwqi_1200x900.jpg
[16:09:59] <jensor> Is there a better explanaination somewhere that is better than the man page for toggle2nist?
[16:22:39] <jensor> I've tried to test toggle2nist in hal show window and it doesn't seem to do anything when I toggle its input.
[16:22:56] <jensor> Is there a better explanation somewhere that is better than the man page for toggle2nist?
[16:28:18] <CaptHindsight> http://rockford.craigslist.org/for/5987678303.html LOGAN LATHE MODEL 6560TH BY POWERMATIC $2200
[16:28:46] <CaptHindsight> http://www.lathe.com/models.htm
[16:29:10] <CaptHindsight> 14" swing and variable speed
[16:32:55] <CaptHindsight> http://rockford.craigslist.org/tls/5989974278.html Rockford 92hx44 - $800 what is this?
[16:34:00] <CaptHindsight> UK made?
[16:35:11] <CaptHindsight> Rockford made in Rockford and for sale in Rockford, IL
[16:35:46] <CaptHindsight> http://www.lathes.co.uk/rockford/
[16:42:27] <CaptHindsight> heh Resolution:.00005"/0.001mm Accuracy: 0.000016"/0.004mm http://www.ebay.com/itm/Aventor-05127mm-00005-001mm-Resolution-Electronic-Indicator-IP54-New-/332013688873
[17:04:32] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/291441819739 they look worth $1900ea
[17:08:19] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Cincinnitti-Malacron-210-Cnc-Lathe-/222399041661 $2350 could not find parts to repair the spindle drive??
[17:22:15] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/USED-MILLTRONICS-Partner-T14-Series-A-CNC-LATHE/122340430845 $1k, PC for a controller
[17:23:16] <CaptHindsight> heh "screen shot shows an error" needs a new lithium battery
[18:05:18] <MacGalempsy> is it ok to cram as many lines into each section?
[18:05:27] <MacGalempsy> of cl programming
[18:36:20] <JT-Shop> if that makes sense to be on that rung
[18:37:47] <JT-Shop> got that damn camera ladder worked out :)\
[18:39:22] * JT-Shop goes inside now to tend to the chicken n dumplins
[18:39:40] <JT-Shop> or dumplings even
[19:44:12] <MacGalempsy> this damn classicladder keeps shutting down when I do a comparison
[19:44:54] <MacGalempsy> maybe because there is a dash in the name
[19:46:28] <skunkworks> do you have enough comparisons in the hal config line?
[19:47:16] <MacGalempsy> it is the default settings running thru terminal
[19:47:34] <MacGalempsy> I think because the name is pt-num that it is using the - as a minus
[19:49:10] <MacGalempsy> it is running on a virtualbox, so maybe that is the problem
[19:51:19] <MacGalempsy> guess I need to go out and do it on the actual machine
[20:55:26] <Mac-Mill> trying a comparison (2000/%IW1)<%IW0 and it shuts down classicladder. any ideas?
[20:59:18] <CaptHindsight> hehe http://hepwori.github.io/execorder/
[21:04:06] <Mac-Mill> ok I think I need to use %W not %IW
[21:07:01] <Mac-Mill> grrrrr
[21:07:24] <Mac-Mill> ok, just going to do the math in HAL
[22:00:41] <jym> cradek: Do I have a watch for you... http://www.ebay.com/itm/10-pcs-lot-VINTAGE-VFD-CLOCK-INDICATOR-IVL2-7-5-NOS-BOXED/111996304430
[22:10:28] <roycroft> i like woz' nixie tube watch better
[22:10:47] <roycroft> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4R3hODnTGo
[22:11:59] <roycroft> but i'm a big fan of nixie tubes
[22:30:41] <jym> solar nixie watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBROLUCL7i8
[22:36:46] <yasnak> power outages and 5-axis machining are not fun