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[00:00:12] <XXCoder> sudo make me a sandwinch
[00:00:32] <pfred1> I could go for a sandwich
[00:00:42] <chopper791> I do not know what.... I have tried 3 new installs, 8 different tutorials on how to do it, 4 different cat6 cables. I am just lost now
[00:00:46] <pfred1> I even got a couple good rolls left
[00:01:03] <chopper791> I love sandwiches
[00:01:13] <pfred1> chopper791 reinstalling is rarely the answer with Linux
[00:01:22] <minibnz> chopper791 do you have a switch or hub that might be blocking the UDP traffic?
[00:01:35] <pfred1> you just end up back where you were
[00:02:02] <chopper791> yeah but between 8 different how to do's I just want to get all the changes out of the equation.
[00:02:39] <minibnz> can you bypass the switch and just connect the board to your pc or laptop?
[00:02:46] <chopper791> it is
[00:02:49] <minibnz> ok
[00:02:55] <pfred1> when I work through difficult problems I keep a notes file running of everything I do it helps keep me sorted out
[00:03:12] <chopper791> like I said .... I can ping it all day long. Just can not read or write to it.
[00:03:15] <pfred1> I generally log every command and edit and file copy etc
[00:03:43] <pfred1> well pinging it is reading and writing it
[00:03:58] <chopper791> I try but I miss some of my steps when following these write up online.
[00:04:07] <chopper791> true...
[00:04:24] <chopper791> did not explain that well enogh
[00:04:30] <pfred1> but perhaps not in the register you need to?
[00:04:40] <minibnz> maybe wireshark can help you see whats going on.
[00:04:58] <pfred1> data collection is always important
[00:05:08] <pfred1> information is what cracks these riddles
[00:05:32] <pfred1> right now you don't know because you simply lack the data
[00:06:01] <chopper791> atleast i saved all the webistes that I got the data from
[00:06:14] <pfred1> no that isn't data those are instructions
[00:06:24] <pfred1> data is what you gather
[00:06:41] <chopper791> yeah the 15 pages of what has not worked.
[00:07:18] <chopper791> I log the sites so I can refrence back to origanal stuff to what I have written down. Then I can compare and see what I missed.
[00:07:40] <pfred1> indeed yopu're missing something
[00:07:51] <minibnz> any messages in your syslog?
[00:07:54] <pfred1> but I am too unfamiliar with what you're doing to offer you any useful insight
[00:08:15] <chopper791> I agree..... just cannot find it.
[00:08:15] <pfred1> yeah tail -f /var/log/syslog
[00:08:30] <chopper791> let me check
[00:08:33] <pfred1> when doing these strange taasks
[00:08:44] <pfred1> just leave that running in a spare terminal
[00:09:02] <pfred1> so you can see the messages as they occur
[00:09:12] <XXCoder> paper tools
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8NstGw3LYw
[00:09:34] <chopper791> nothing useful
[00:09:56] <pfred1> chopper791 well you have to watch that whie you do other things
[00:10:28] <XXCoder> it custs cogguated board very cleanly
[00:10:32] <XXCoder> ah and plastic
[00:10:47] <chopper791> got ya... I was looking at errors that pop up when runing a command
[00:11:56] <pfred1> XXCoder do they say what kind of paper it is?
[00:12:09] <XXCoder> dunno it dont have autpcaptions enabled
[00:12:14] <XXCoder> I dont know if guy even speaks
[00:13:25] <minibnz> no control.. once you are offline your done..
[00:14:19] <minibnz> but otherwise very neat
[00:14:37] <XXCoder> offline?
[00:15:03] <minibnz> not following the line you have drawn to cut with the paper on the dremel
[00:15:15] <XXCoder> ahh
[00:15:28] <pfred1> XXCoder find the video where a guy makes a wheel out of a disposable lighter striker
[00:15:32] <minibnz> with a normal cutting disc you can get back to straight
[00:15:44] <minibnz> oooooo
[00:15:50] <minibnz> sparkies.....
[00:15:58] <pfred1> XXCoder I've done it and it kicks ass
[00:16:20] <XXCoder> cant find
[00:16:34] <pfred1> let em see if I can dig it up
[00:17:15] <pfred1> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JR9oB4Qvwjk
[00:17:36] <XXCoder> lookinf
[00:17:37] <pfred1> I love Victor V
[00:19:28] <XXCoder> autocaptions dont work sadly
[00:19:34] <XXCoder> watching anyway
[00:19:47] <pfred1> he's speaking English kind of
[00:20:34] <pfred1> disposable lighter strikers are harder than coffin nails
[00:21:23] <pfred1> so they make great burr tools
[00:21:48] <pfred1> plus there's on in every disposable lighter
[00:21:53] <pfred1> one in even
[00:22:09] <minibnz> oh and i thought it was going to use the flint in some way to make some stupid wheel of sparks that i could injure my self on...
[00:22:13] <XXCoder> heh order 20 chinese ones 25 cent each
[00:22:36] <pfred1> disposable lighter strikers are higher quality
[00:24:04] <XXCoder> either hes on drugs or video was sped up heh
[00:25:45] <XXCoder> mtmwood bought in a new tool
[00:25:46] <pfred1> this paper looks like plain copier paper stock
[00:26:01] <XXCoder> lol pushing delivery truck out
[00:27:18] <XXCoder> he really needed that bandsaw
[00:27:28] <pfred1> I use polishing compound charged paper to polish plastics with
[00:29:06] <Nick001> <andypugh> you around?
[00:35:46] <pfred1> woo neat
[00:36:03] <XXCoder> mtmwood bandsaw? yeah
[00:36:10] <pfred1> Nick001 type /whois andypugh andypugh
[00:36:20] <pfred1> 01:04 -!- idle : 0 days 3 hours 22 mins 35 secs [signon: Sat Feb 4 18:11:56 2017]
[00:36:30] <pfred1> andy is an idler
[00:37:44] <Nick001> I guess I'll wait till tomorrow then - thanks
[00:38:21] <Wolf_> 6am his time, might want to try again in a hour
[00:39:36] <pfred1> yeah just look at the time
[00:39:46] <Nick001> if I can stay awake - 1 am here
[00:40:14] <Wolf_> yup
[00:41:23] <chopper791> ok.. I reinstalled mesaflash. Now the error is "unsupported device 7i92 baord" No 7i92 board found.
[00:41:37] <chopper791> This is a new error so that is good I think
[00:41:44] <chopper791> maybe
[00:44:10] <Nick001> log
[01:19:47] <Nick001> zlog
[01:20:22] <XXCoder> some more wiring done
[01:20:29] <XXCoder> all steppers now connected to driver yay
[01:24:14] <XXCoder> okay maybe a stupid question
[01:24:23] <Wolf_> yes
[01:24:39] <XXCoder> all tb660s 12v and ground is connected to same psu?
[01:25:00] <Wolf_> yeah
[01:25:03] <XXCoder> ok'
[01:27:23] <XXCoder> 5v can use fairly thinner wire than 12 gauge correct?
[01:27:38] <Wolf_> umm yeah
[01:27:56] <XXCoder> ok. I guess I can use this set of wires then
[01:28:07] <Wolf_> like 24ga
[01:28:55] <XXCoder> ok
[01:32:57] <XXCoder> IDC is apparently 26 to 28 gauge
[01:33:01] <XXCoder> so guess no
[01:34:03] <Wolf_> huh
[01:34:18] <XXCoder> from jkit I have
[01:34:47] <Wolf_> wire = bigger number, smaller wire
[01:34:58] <XXCoder> i know
[01:40:48] <XXCoder> im saying that its too small
[01:41:37] <Wolf_> 5v signal wires right?
[01:42:01] <Wolf_> really its the current that makes the difference for what gauge wire to use
[01:42:19] <XXCoder> yeah signal
[01:42:39] <Wolf_> 28 would be fine
[01:42:45] <XXCoder> hmm ok
[01:46:04] <archivist> flexibility also matters when wiring motors
[01:46:17] <XXCoder> yeah old set of wires was pretty thick
[01:46:28] <XXCoder> new 18 gauge ribbons is much nicer
[01:47:02] <XXCoder> I'm reusing 2 of old Z wires for spindle though
[01:47:09] <archivist> what kind of ribbon?
[01:47:18] <XXCoder> speaker cables
[01:47:48] <archivist> speaker is not designed for flex
[01:48:10] <XXCoder> really? felt very loose and easy to bend
[01:48:24] <archivist> I hope it is stranded and supported on a reasonable bend radius
[01:48:40] <XXCoder> its stranded not solid core yeah
[01:49:59] <archivist> we learned our lesson at a previous job on printers, we got about half an our before failure
[01:50:07] <archivist> hour
[01:50:11] <XXCoder> ouch
[01:50:30] <XXCoder> I fairly suspect old ones was fine for while longer because it was so thick
[01:50:33] <XXCoder> 12gauge heh
[01:53:38] <Wolf_> I get to rewire a motor…
http://www.ebay.com/itm/361313648739
[01:54:18] <archivist> the "chain" that people use for CNC machine cables is all about increasing the bend radius
[01:54:28] <XXCoder> drag chains?
[01:54:31] <XXCoder> yeah my machine has em
[01:54:34] <Wolf_> yep
[01:54:58] <XXCoder> I added it while ago. last year probably? damn im so slow.
[01:56:32] <XXCoder> arch guy discribed his or her company basically entire discription nothing about item itself
[01:57:39] <XXCoder> archivist: think internally its fine just need new wires?
[01:58:26] <Wolf_> about that ebay motor I just linked?
[01:58:39] <XXCoder> duh. yeah wolf sorry lol
[01:58:56] <Wolf_> depends on how much wire is sticking out
[01:59:20] <XXCoder> cant pull it apart and resolder new wires in>?
[01:59:35] <Wolf_> well, need to pull the encoder off to do that
[02:00:29] <Wolf_> should be fun...
[02:00:49] <XXCoder> not something thats easy?
[02:01:13] <Wolf_> might not be too bad
[02:01:53] <minibnz> nice score wolf even if the motor is junk its worth the encoder
[02:01:54] <Wolf_> encoder uses a shim tool to install it to set the disk
[02:02:11] <Wolf_> not really, I can get the encoder new for $75
[02:04:43] <Wolf_> thats a big damn servo though :)
[02:06:28] <Wolf_> http://www.usdigital.com/products/encoders/incremental/rotary/kit/E3
[02:40:39] <Deejay> moin
[02:46:20] <XXCoder> hey
[02:46:29] <XXCoder> Wolf_: your pic is helping a lot so far heh
[02:46:43] <Wolf_> eh?
[02:47:03] <XXCoder> whats interesting is your pic + and - is different places than mine
[02:47:15] <XXCoder> [04:41:11] <Wolf_>
http://i.imgur.com/LxNNKnW.jpg heh
[02:47:50] <XXCoder> I find it interesting that all + is wired together
[02:48:05] <Wolf_> ahh yeah, all the china drives are different lol
[02:49:22] <Wolf_> i’m using pull to gnd signal, its easier on the lpt port
[02:49:34] <XXCoder> cool
[02:49:53] <XXCoder> whats onteresting is that your bob looks basically same
[02:50:02] <XXCoder> I'll have to confirm some stuff but yeah
[02:51:52] <XXCoder> whats weird is that you was one who linked it once, but I was linked same picture much later
[02:51:59] <XXCoder> but logs dont show it
[02:52:09] <XXCoder> you linked it in oct 2015
[02:52:12] <Wolf_> weird
[02:52:45] <Wolf_> I linked it not too long ago
[02:52:54] <XXCoder> yeah
[02:57:03] <minibnz> one last thing before the mill is back together... after removing the factory optional extra grubscrew all i have to do now is re-align the post back to 90'..
[02:57:35] <minibnz> the sad thing is as soon as i bore these two big arse holes i have to tilt the post over to drill some other holes..
[03:02:42] <XXCoder> "[06:12:53] <XXCoder> dunno what "hotend" is " 4/20/2014
[03:02:51] <XXCoder> heh been a while since then
[03:03:06] <minibnz> heheheh
[03:03:21] <XXCoder> it was also day I added /pee command because there was this guy conually asking about lathe advice
[03:03:31] <XXCoder> so I gave up and kept using macro
[03:03:35] <XXCoder> guy evenually stopped
[03:03:37] <XXCoder> Pee on it.
[03:04:23] <XXCoder> [14:56:47] <shaun413> I managed to find a way to buy the lathe
[03:04:23] <XXCoder> [14:56:53] <shaun413> should I get the hf?
[03:04:23] <XXCoder> [14:57:03] <XXCoder> Pee on it.
[03:05:12] <Wolf_> lol that guy
[03:05:13] <minibnz> i just purchased a rostock clone 3d printer from jaycar... everything went together just fine.. motors moved it did everything the LCD asked it to powered from mains.. then i powered it down and connected the usb cable to update the firmware and as soon as i turned on the mains the board lit up and the magic smoke escaped from L1... its with the shop at the moment
[03:05:39] <XXCoder> doh
[03:05:40] <minibnz> they said they will probably replace the board.. but need the head office to give the ok.. :(
[03:06:16] <XXCoder> man see some nicks I havent seen here for while. like humble sea bass
[03:06:24] <minibnz> they warned me and said i should update the firmware before i do anything.. and in trying to i blew it up :( i think there was a defect with the board build
[03:07:19] <archivist> board was in the middle, some mains isolation fault?
[03:07:51] <minibnz> thats what i was thinking.. just happy it didnt fry my 21' mac desktop i was connecting it too
[03:08:08] <minibnz> they were all on the same power board so there really sould not have been any of that going on...
[03:08:34] <minibnz> and to top things off in the process of dropping it off at the shop i broke the plastic frame around the LCD screen.. :(
[03:23:47] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: look nice!
[03:24:07] <XXCoder> what looks nice?
[03:24:15] <pink_vampire> the motor driver
[03:24:21] <XXCoder> oh thats wolf's
[03:24:25] <XXCoder> mine looks similiar
[03:24:33] <XXCoder> im wiring it up slowly
[03:24:38] <XXCoder> not enough will to work harder
[03:24:59] <XXCoder> so far all drivers are connected to steppers, and all drivers has all + wired together
[03:25:11] <pink_vampire> yours is the black ones with the heatsink?
[03:25:23] <pink_vampire> like the one I've used to my 3d printer?
[03:25:25] <XXCoder> looks mostly same yeah
[03:30:01] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: here you can see part of it (behind the power supplies)
http://i.imgur.com/VzFbojR.png
[03:30:16] <XXCoder> yeah
[03:32:01] <pink_vampire> is there a "hard drive" that use ram chips or ssd that is fast as ram chips?
[03:32:23] <XXCoder> heh I remember one, but that ones really ancient
[03:32:28] <XXCoder> no idea on modern ones
[03:33:01] <XXCoder> welcome back
[03:33:32] <Wolf_> weekly router reboot...
[03:33:55] <pink_vampire> Wolf_: <pink_vampire> is there a "hard drive" that use ram chips or ssd that is fast as ram chips?
[03:34:01] <Wolf_> set for 4am so I won’t bounce normal people off line lol
[03:34:27] <Wolf_> SSD should max out read/write speeds I think
[03:34:34] <XXCoder> lol router I use has exploit on http interface, and I had to use it to crash http interface so people cant exploit it
[03:34:54] <XXCoder> temp fix till they patch it'
[03:34:55] <Wolf_> or the newer crap that uses on mobo interface
[03:35:11] <XXCoder> ya ssd is pretty fast nowdays
[03:35:55] <BubbleRep> SATA SSD ~500MB/s, NVMe SSD => M2/PCI-E interface => 2.2GB/s
[03:36:18] <Wolf_> M.2 that thing
[03:36:39] <BubbleRep> yeah it's a pcie interface
[03:36:46] <BubbleRep> at least the fast ones
[03:36:50] <BubbleRep> M2 can do pure SATA too
[03:37:11] <BubbleRep> which isn't faster as "normal" SSDs
[03:37:55] <pink_vampire> I'm trying to see what is the speed of the RAM that I have
[03:39:36] <BubbleRep> on modern x86 way faster iirc atleast 8 times faster than the NVMe one
[03:40:04] <Wolf_> I just throw whatever in my builds, bottle neck always ends up on parts that cost too much lol
[03:40:08] <BubbleRep> but you can always create a ram disk.....if you have way too much money to get proper space out of it....
[03:40:20] <XXCoder> curious why need high speed fule access? but yeah ramdisk good idea if plenty ram
[03:40:53] <XXCoder> just dont try to save files permently there heh
[03:41:24] <pink_vampire> the cpu is about 10% most of the time.
[03:41:31] <BubbleRep> i have NVMe in my notebook and normal SATA SSD in my desktop, i would say you barely notice the difference in daily use, but the cost are way different 500gb ssd sata ~130€, nvme one ~500€
[03:41:44] <pink_vampire> but I'm using all the RAM I have.
[03:42:08] <Wolf_> all my systems are lacking in the ram department
[03:42:16] <pink_vampire> and I disabled the pagefile
[03:42:30] <Wolf_> well, except the mac book, its maxed out at 16gb...
[03:43:29] <pink_vampire> I have just 8GB :(
[03:43:35] <XXCoder> 16 gb here
[03:43:48] <archivist> cpu use depends on the stupidity of the OS and programs
[03:44:01] <BubbleRep> with 8gb you shouldn't disable the pagefile
[03:44:12] <pink_vampire> I have to
[03:44:41] <pink_vampire> with the page file the HDD run all the time.
[03:45:00] <pink_vampire> I want to point the page file to a small and very fast drive.
[03:45:07] <archivist> get off windaz to cure
[03:46:14] <pink_vampire> archivist: ?
[03:47:04] <archivist> pagefile is a windows term, swapfile is a linux term
[03:47:09] <Wolf_> my desktop thats running win7 and solid works on only has 8gb…
[03:47:15] <pink_vampire> how do I know the speed of my ram?
http://i.imgur.com/Tw32a0i.png
[03:47:45] <pink_vampire> Wolf_: are you doing assemblies?
[03:47:51] <Wolf_> yeah
[03:48:09] <pink_vampire> how meany parts?
[03:48:12] <Wolf_> my computer hates me most days when I’m doing stuff on it
[03:48:18] <archivist> gear mates++
[03:48:53] <XXCoder> lol oh yeah
http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2013/02/04/jeremy_clarkson_s_p45_terrifying_ride_in_world_s_tiniest_car_video.html
[03:49:00] <pink_vampire> solidworks take almost all the ram I have (without page file)
[03:49:20] <Wolf_> mine will scream at me about needing more ram
[03:49:48] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFdBcYN3sNw
[03:50:07] <Wolf_> its not really the speed issue, its that solidworks is a memory hog lol
[03:50:59] <XXCoder> it's only car in world with steering wheel used outside car and driver is inside lol
[03:52:43] <pink_vampire> I'm working on 1000+ parts assembly with tons of mates and sub assemblies. and some of the parts also contain the hsm cam data.... so 5-6gb go to solidworks.
[03:53:02] <XXCoder> modeling tend to need lot o ram unfortunately
[03:53:49] <pink_vampire> I just like to see how everything connect together.
[03:54:50] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: what cad are you using?
[03:54:56] <XXCoder> freecad
[03:55:44] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: you mean freakcad?
[03:55:45] <XXCoder> yours is far better cad than freecad
[04:00:57] <Wolf_> now the suck part is figuring out which to do, drop 2 more 4gb sticks in, or drop $$$ on 8gb sticks
[04:01:23] <XXCoder> yeah I went for 16 gb because frankly I didnt want to buy more later
[04:01:31] <XXCoder> my computers tend to last 8 to 10 years
[04:02:25] <Wolf_> mines getting there age wise
[04:03:08] <Wolf_> I usually try to build systems with the latest and greatest, from last year
[04:04:16] <BubbleRep> on a desktop i wouldn't bother with less than 32gb anymore
[04:04:41] <XXCoder> my compyter is currently 2 years old
[04:06:30] <Wolf_> mine is a 2011 build, i5-2500 sandy bridge quad core 3.3ghz and the mobo will take up to 32gb DDR3 1333, question is it worth it to drop $200~ on new ram for it
[04:07:35] <BubbleRep> if you currently have 16gb and still have 2 banks free you don't have too
[04:08:01] <Wolf_> right now I have 8gb and 2 sticks
[04:08:14] <Wolf_> er 4gb x2
[04:08:41] <XXCoder> 4x32gb :P
[04:08:41] <BubbleRep> i would invest the 90$ for 2 8gb modules so you got 24Gb should be enough
[04:09:30] <BubbleRep> should just be careful to use the proper dual channel slots with such a setup
[04:10:17] <Wolf_> yeah, they color coded the dual channel slots to make it dummy proof
[04:15:13] <XXCoder> pink_vampire: ever prinbted anything since? heh
[04:15:51] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: I'm not sure what are you asking
[04:15:57] <XXCoder> 3d printed
[04:17:19] <XXCoder> Wolf_: is CLK on BOB PUL on tb6600?
[04:17:38] <Wolf_> eh
[04:18:39] <XXCoder> i looked at your pic
[04:18:48] <XXCoder> Y clock was connected to PUL-
[04:18:49] <Wolf_> yeah, should be CLK/STEP/PUL
[04:19:33] <archivist> pulse
[04:20:09] <XXCoder> ok thanks
[04:20:46] <XXCoder> CW is clockwise I guess as its connected to DIR-
[04:21:09] <Wolf_> yup
[04:21:56] <XXCoder> whats red one connected to? its connected to all +s but cant read pin number on BOB its connected to
[04:22:18] <XXCoder> pV5v?
[04:22:23] <XXCoder> er pc5v
[04:22:36] <Wolf_> yup
[04:22:59] <Wolf_> pretty much duplicates the little white header plug
[04:23:01] <XXCoder> all axis controllers connect to that one correct? while rest is its onw axis x y z
[04:23:55] <XXCoder> all +s on all 3 tb6600s connect to pc5v
[04:24:53] <Wolf_> yup, and enable all on p14
[04:25:21] <XXCoder> ya handy table on BOB
[04:25:33] <XXCoder> just didnt incloude that pc5v one lol
[04:26:03] <XXCoder> interesting that theyre all shared, I guess it means cant just enable 2 steppers exampkle
[04:26:25] <XXCoder> brb checking and probably wiring now\
[04:26:27] <Wolf_> not the way they have it set up
[04:26:33] <minibnz> is there a gcode for a progressive peck drill cycle? ie the first 30mm of a hole done with 10mm cut per peck then the lower 40mm done with a 2.5mm cut depth? or do i have to hand code that up
[04:27:05] <Wolf_> canned cycles, look at the linux cnc gcode list
[04:27:33] <Wolf_> iirc g38 but don’t quote me on that, its been a year since I have run my mill lol
[04:30:02] <minibnz> i have been using g83 it drills with pecks b ut the cut depth is always the same through out the hole. ie 2.5mm 5mm or what ever but its 5mm for the full depth. i want 10mm for the first half the hole then 5mm then 2.5mm as the hole gets deeper
[04:30:34] <Wolf_> lol I was close… g83 is what i was thinking
[04:31:05] <Wolf_> that I don’t know about
[04:31:19] <Wolf_> may need to hand code it =/
[04:37:31] <XXCoder> well tool broke
[04:37:51] <XXCoder> so I have to go to store buy new small screwdriver heh
[04:38:01] <XXCoder> it was very old from my dad
[04:38:59] <XXCoder> Wolf_: thanks for tons of help
[04:39:11] <XXCoder> I think I can complete pretty much all wiring tomorrow
[04:39:26] <Wolf_> np
[04:39:40] <XXCoder> only question I have is how to connect spindle wires together, as 400w I doubt I can just use plastic screw caps lol
[04:49:16] <Wolf_> wire nuts bad, get barrel crimp connectors
[04:50:25] <XXCoder> the green built in connectors?
[04:50:52] <Wolf_> oh, I thought you meant wire nuts
[04:51:13] <XXCoder> not too sure as im unsure what those are
[04:52:19] <Wolf_> what spindle wires?
[04:52:29] <XXCoder> poh to powet it
[04:53:31] <XXCoder> to powerit
[05:01:46] <XXCoder> anyway
[05:01:50] <XXCoder> spindle has 2 wires
[05:01:59] <XXCoder> its simple direct connection to pwm controller
[05:02:10] <XXCoder> but I need to "splice" wires together safely
[05:02:21] <XXCoder> can plastic screw cap do it or is there better way
[05:09:02] <archivist> solder + heatshrink
[05:10:10] <XXCoder> that'd be betetr yeah hm
[05:33:06] <minibnz> two layers of heatshrink.. that way if you have any sharp bits they wont poke thru the single layer..
[05:33:20] <minibnz> more noticable on larger guage wires
[05:34:20] <XXCoder> https://youtu.be/ju6BtrIzz08
[05:34:29] <XXCoder> very hot 3d printer
[05:36:39] <pink_vampire> I'm back
[05:36:52] <XXCoder> pink_vampire: check out video I just linked to
[05:37:18] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: you can resend it?
[05:37:26] <XXCoder> https://youtu.be/ju6BtrIzz08
[05:37:47] <minibnz> xxcoder did you see the solar printer made by the israeli dude? it prints sand..
[05:38:11] <XXCoder> mini yeah powered by sun, in electricity and melting
[05:38:37] <minibnz> yup
[05:38:50] <minibnz> too bad the accuracy sucks for fine things
[05:39:08] <minibnz> with a light pipe you might be able to improve in it
[05:39:40] <pink_vampire> I know this video, it is very impressive!
[05:40:26] <XXCoder> mini yeah I once read about fiberoptic lens, made from fiberoptic cables bundled together then melted to shape
[05:40:42] <XXCoder> super effective, though I havent seen such for years now
[05:44:24] <minibnz> XXcoder thats kinda interesting.. they sorta do that for YAG fiber pumped lasers. they arrange the fiber in to a disc coil and shine the pump light into the coil..
[05:45:32] <XXCoder> cant find it anywhere
[05:45:46] <XXCoder> basically its just cylinder of fiberoptic "wires"
[05:45:56] <XXCoder> bottom half is steached
[05:46:06] <XXCoder> as result it acts like len but noit really
[05:46:25] <XXCoder> because light follows fiberoptic line it happens to enter
[05:46:31] <minibnz> i really think i should work out a way to get me some feedback fom the motor error light into linuxcnc.. to stop the axis when the spindle jams.. i guess i could do that via the encoder on the spindle
[05:46:56] <XXCoder> that or just add tachmeter to it
[05:47:09] <XXCoder> induction sensor and magnet
[05:47:22] <XXCoder> or camera and dark (or shiny) spot
[05:48:08] <minibnz> hmmm was thinking optoisolator.. just need to find a spare wire or two.
[05:48:44] <minibnz> i have the spindle encoder already wired in just not hooked into linuxcnc yet.
[05:49:48] <XXCoder> cant find it anywhere
[05:50:01] <XXCoder> either its now common knowledge or it failed to market
[05:50:05] <minibnz> needed to make some chips before i got bogged down trying to do funky things like calibrate the spindle to the RPM's at the moment i just use it but i have no idea of what speed i am running it at or what it will change to when i press a button :) i just go off sound
[05:51:54] <XXCoder> heh going by sound isnt possible for me
[05:54:13] <jthornton> morning
[05:54:21] <XXCoder> yo
[05:54:37] <XXCoder> jthornton: been wiring my machine up till darn tool broke lol
[05:55:04] <jthornton> which tool?
[05:55:16] <XXCoder> oh ancient small screwdriver
[05:55:21] <XXCoder> dont have any other that size
[05:57:30] <jthornton> oh for the terminal screws
[05:58:37] <XXCoder> yeah
[05:58:44] <XXCoder> that danged tool is older than me
[05:59:16] <XXCoder> its not supposed to be used that way, its for testing electicity current though terminal screws
[05:59:29] <XXCoder> it has bulb inside and it used to have wire for clip
[06:02:15] <XXCoder> oh jt theres now 1,000 core cpu lol
[06:02:58] <XXCoder> https://www.ucdavis.edu/news/worlds-first-1000-processor-chip
[06:04:46] <jthornton> wow
[06:06:15] <XXCoder> slightly cool this year.
https://youtu.be/iXuc7SAyk2s
[06:06:24] <XXCoder> 2960f
[06:35:15] <jthornton> my baby basil is doing real well, finally figured out how to start seeds in the winter
[06:36:10] <minibnz> RootB_i_q_z_p_x_ sort your connection out and then come back...
[06:36:22] <XXCoder> nice :D
[06:40:59] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: LOL!
[06:41:21] <XXCoder> ya
[07:16:15] <_methods> jthornton: is this the time to start basil?
[07:16:23] <_methods> or are you getting a head start?
[07:16:47] <jthornton> growing it inside
[07:17:04] <jthornton> but now I know how to get a head start with my tomato plants
[07:17:05] <_methods> you doing an indoor herb garden?
[07:17:17] <_methods> or just starters indoor?
[07:17:35] <jthornton> right now its just green onion and basil
[07:17:43] <jthornton> indoor garden
[07:17:47] <_methods> ah nice
[07:17:52] <_methods> i've been wanting to do that for years
[07:18:02] <_methods> you do the pvc pipe style one?
[07:18:16] <jthornton> just plastic pots
[07:18:25] <jthornton> got a link to that?
[07:18:39] <_methods> they're all over
[07:18:46] <_methods> i don't have a specific link
[07:19:15] <_methods> http://www.treehugger.com/gadgets/raspberry-pi-arduino-diy-vertical-hydroponic-garden.html
[07:19:18] <_methods> like that
[07:20:04] <jthornton> ah, saw one that Suzie built in north alaska
[07:20:48] <_methods> there are quite a few diff versions out there
[07:21:16] <_methods> i start doing the research on building one and it usually ends there because i get sidetracked on something else lol
[07:21:28] <jthornton> yea me too
[07:22:27] <jthornton> http://gardenculturemagazine.com/growology/indoor-garden-design-build/diy-fully-automated-hydroponic-greenhouse
[07:22:59] <_methods> yeah that's the FULL ON build there lol
[07:25:22] <_methods> https://rik94566.wordpress.com/100-gallon-aquaponic-system/
[07:25:32] <_methods> then i get sidetracked by something like that
[07:26:02] <_methods> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2wWTadsBDA
[07:26:34] <jthornton> wow 12" tubes that must be expensive
[07:29:12] <_methods> yeah i don't think that is a cheap setup
[07:29:15] <_methods> it's pretty insane
[07:29:29] <_methods> i can't imagine how many fish i'd kill in the process of setting that up
[07:29:41] <jthornton> lol
[07:32:25] <_methods> i'm pretty sure i'd get a visit from aquaman
[07:35:47] <jthornton> what I figured out starting seeds inside is as soon as the embryo leaves come out of the soil put them as close as possible to the grow bulbs like 1"
[07:36:12] <jthornton> if they are too far from the grow bulbs they just keep shooting up trying to get more light and fall over and die
[07:45:30] <minibnz> ooh i think i have blunted this drill bit.. i have cut thru about 1m linear meter with it.. and it doesn't seem to be cutting like it did when i started..
[07:46:22] <_methods> time to hit the grinder
[07:47:06] <minibnz> well that would require skills..and co-ordination.
[07:47:19] <_methods> always good to learn a new skill
[07:47:26] <_methods> it's not that complicated
[07:47:28] <minibnz> everytime i have tried to sharpen a drill its been a epic fail.
[07:47:40] <_methods> if it's a little drill bit though it can be more challenging
[07:47:48] <minibnz> i just cant get the tip in the center and the angels all right at the same time..
[07:48:13] <minibnz> this one is 8mm so it is re-sharpenable.. but just not by me..
[07:48:41] <_methods> yeah if they're under 6mm i don't even bother unless i just HAVE to
[07:49:03] <_methods> packs of little drills are cheap so why bother
[07:49:18] <_methods> unless i'm out or something and i'm stuck resharpening to get thru
[07:49:25] <minibnz> i have me a hardware store just up the road so i will just buy another and give this one to my mate who can sharpen drills..
[07:49:51] <minibnz> i think these 8mm are all of about 7 or $8au
[07:50:14] <_methods> oh yeah i'd be resharpening that then lol
[07:51:47] <archivist> for fun you can grind drills to make larger holes
[07:51:49] <minibnz> come to think of it i think i have a new one in my set i purchased the other day
[07:52:10] <minibnz> oh i have that skill down pat..
[07:52:29] <Loetmichel_> hrhr
[07:52:30] <minibnz> i can also grind a drill so it will make a curved oval hole :P
[07:53:14] <Loetmichel_> fyi: if exercisesd enough you can regrind any drill bit thicker than about 2mm freehand.
[07:53:26] <Loetmichel_> to drill fitting holes
[07:53:39] <archivist> we were grinding drills so a rivet could be hammered flush on a clock key
[07:53:47] <Loetmichel_> takes a few 1000 drill bits tho to get there.
[07:54:43] <_methods> there are quite a few grinding jig plans online
[07:54:57] <_methods> if you don't feel like learning the whole freehand thing
[07:55:40] <minibnz> i even fail with the automate machines :(
[07:55:43] <Loetmichel_> _methods: i refuse to grind drill bits smaller than 2mm because my eyesight isnt any more up ti the job
[07:55:57] <_methods> yeah
[07:56:07] <Loetmichel_> and these are usually a dime a dozen, so its of no use unless you are in a pinch on sunday evening
[07:56:11] <_methods> those little drills are so cheap its not worth the time usually
[07:56:16] <_methods> unless it's an emergency
[07:56:43] <Loetmichel_> exactly
[08:00:02] <MrSunshine> phew table on the new machine down to +- 0.04mm over 1250mm =)
[08:01:38] <MrSunshine> just the fine tuning left =) then its on to the linear guide rails ..
[08:18:31] <IchGucksLive> hi from a cold germany
[08:19:02] <IchGucksLive> today i finished the construction and the pricing on the 85x55x25cm 4Axis
[08:19:08] <IchGucksLive> animation here
https://youtu.be/gRcCWu2z5Ww
[08:20:30] <IchGucksLive> Loetmichel: alles für unter 1500 mit kabeln und schaltschrank
[08:20:39] <IchGucksLive> leider ohne E-ketten
[08:20:55] <IchGucksLive> da gibt es in DE fast nur Teure sachen
[08:21:53] <IchGucksLive> till later stay bitbreaking free
[08:22:11] <Loetmichel> IchGucksLive: that plate that holds the A axis looks a bit weak
[08:22:22] <IchGucksLive> agree
[08:22:46] <IchGucksLive> on longer parts you need a second holder
[08:23:14] <IchGucksLive> the plate is 150x250x 21
[08:23:38] <malcom2073> IchGucksLive: Why supported rail instead of square rail? Supported rail is so weak in comparison?
[08:23:54] <IchGucksLive> a plate 21 thick on 125mm free will hold alot of stuff
[08:23:56] <malcom2073> Especially in that configuration as opposed to having them on the side
[08:24:07] <IchGucksLive> malcom2073: price
[08:24:48] <malcom2073> Have you looked in the last 6 months? square rail has dropped in price almost to equal, it's well worth a look
[08:25:07] <IchGucksLive> malcom2073: show me 2 sqare rails 25mm 1m long at 70euros i will buy them
[08:25:26] <IchGucksLive> i dont see it
[08:26:06] <IchGucksLive> http://www.cnc-discount.de/epages/62924595.sf/de_DE/?ObjectPath=/Shops/62924595/Products/%22O20%20%201100%22
[08:26:11] <IchGucksLive> 220euros
[08:26:35] <malcom2073> Well yeah, you have to buy from the mfg in qty to get them to a decent price. check out aliexpress
[08:27:10] <IchGucksLive> http://www.cnc-discount.de/epages/62924595.sf/de_DE/?ObjectPath=/Shops/62924595/Products/G201100
[08:27:14] <IchGucksLive> less trhen 100
[08:27:23] <malcom2073> If you're buying individuals from distributors, yeah I expect it'll be more still
[08:28:00] <IchGucksLive> dhis increases the mashine to over 2000.-
[08:28:11] <IchGucksLive> malcom2073: i belive in you
[08:28:33] <IchGucksLive> it also makes it more stiff
[08:28:47] <IchGucksLive> but then you also need to go ballbearing
[08:28:56] <IchGucksLive> and that increases also
[08:29:16] <IchGucksLive> then you go froe AL Framing
[08:29:36] <malcom2073> Oh, I thought you were making a 6040 clone
[08:30:24] <IchGucksLive> so we are at
https://www.sorotec.de/shop/CNC-Portalfraesen/compact-line/Compact-Line-Bausatz/Portalfr-smaschine-CL-Line-0805.html
[08:30:40] <IchGucksLive> without anithing naked frame
[08:31:18] <malcom2073> Heh, alright I gtg, see ya
[08:32:05] <IchGucksLive> :-)
[08:32:11] <IchGucksLive> im off till later
[09:25:10] <R2E4> hiya....
[09:25:19] <R2E4> morning, evening good afternoon.
[09:25:45] <R2E4> anyone up?
[10:13:09] <MacGalempsy> morning
[10:19:52] <MacGalempsy> i guess everyone is at church
[10:20:13] <Tom_L> you think?
[10:25:03] <R2E4> Hey you guys got a second?
[10:25:36] <archivist> I lost all my seconds
[10:26:12] <R2E4> I have a huge CNC I am retrofitting.
[10:26:36] <R2E4> I have encoders connected and working in the right direction.
[10:27:03] <R2E4> The system before had no limits into the control, the limits went directly to the drives.
[10:27:15] <R2E4> The home switches are N/O into the control.
[10:27:20] <R2E4> Is this legit?
[10:28:09] <R2E4> Because if a wires breaks on the homing, it will hit the limits and the drives will stop the axis.
[10:28:58] <R2E4> I changed the X and Y to N/C cause I had access to them but the Z I dont have axis. Would have to remove the motor and it is really a pain.
[10:29:12] <MacGalempsy> what do the drive params say?
[10:29:19] <MacGalempsy> no or nc?
[10:29:41] <R2E4> The limits going to the drive are NC
[10:29:44] <sync_> well, as long as the limit switches are N/C that is fine
[10:29:51] <sync_> the home switchs have nothing to do with safety
[10:29:59] <sync_> they are just there for the control and soft limiting
[10:30:02] <R2E4> No need to bring limits into Lcnc?
[10:30:42] <sync_> you could wire them in, but you should only need them if your machine crashes so there is no real need for it
[10:30:49] <sync_> as long as they shut down the drives, it is fine
[10:31:09] <MacGalempsy> if its huge you may want them to inferface for safety
[10:31:44] <sync_> MacGalempsy: they are already there for safety
[10:31:46] <R2E4> The Z/X weighs 800lbs.
[10:31:49] <sync_> they will trip the drives
[10:32:28] <sync_> the only time they would be useful is either if linuxcnc looses homing and tries to crash or something happens and the drive overruns the travel
[10:32:43] <sync_> so only having them wired into the drive is ok
[10:33:17] <R2E4> So just set the soft limits in linuxcnc.
[10:33:35] <sync_> if they have a second free contact you can wire them into linuxcnc
[10:33:35] <MacGalempsy> if you have the pins run the switches to lcnc ins and run the outs to ths drives
[10:34:20] <sync_> well, if the drives have a dedicated input I'd always have them connected directly, maybe parallel to linuxcnc
[10:34:34] <R2E4> I can do that but would need to run wires.
[10:34:38] <sync_> that is also better wrt to laws regarding machine safety
[10:35:50] <MacGalempsy> i like the parallel idea. much easier. then lcnc stays in the loop and you will get an error msg
[10:36:19] <sync_> gotta run the reliability calculations if you might want to run the contacts in series anyway
[10:36:25] <sync_> then you cannot do that
[10:36:46] <R2E4> yeah well, input into drives is com, mesa boards needs + input
[10:37:48] <R2E4> There is a extra set of N/O contacts in the switches I can run them into LinuxCNC.
[10:37:50] <MacGalempsy> mine is setup similar with com to ena and fault reset. i used a ssr since mesa puts out +
[10:38:06] <sync_> yeah that would work R2E4
[10:38:25] <sync_> you need a button to override the limits then tho
[10:38:46] <sync_> but that is allowable if the control limits the speed of movement or tells the operator that he is doing dangerous stuff
[10:38:58] <MacGalempsy> is the extra pin com or +?
[10:39:28] <R2E4> IT is seperate. they have seperate contacts, not formC so I can use whatever I want.
[11:34:28] <enleth> R2E4: do you have any means of manually moving the axis off the limit switches if it trips?
[11:35:03] <R2E4> yes
[11:36:00] <R2E4> https://forum.linuxcnc.org/38-general-linuxcnc-questions/32002-biesse-rover-346-retrofit
[11:36:06] <R2E4> thats the machine in the forums....
[11:39:28] <R2E4> sync_: If I dont have limit switches into LCNC, it wont matter. The override checkbox in axis, is that for the soft limits or the hard limits?
[12:32:57] <IchGucksLive> hi
[13:10:50] <Jmmmm> anyone know the difference between ceramic (ABC) and glass (AGC) fuses?
[13:11:20] <SpeedEvil> ceramic are high breaking current
[13:11:26] <malcom2073> ceramics typically are sand filled aren't they?
[13:11:38] <SpeedEvil> they will not explode, and are likely to be safe to connect directly to mains.
[13:12:20] <SpeedEvil> Glass ones can at best shatter when exposed to large overload
[13:15:16] <Jmmmm> Microwave has a glass "6G20A125V", when I google that I get
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Cooper-Bussmann-ABC-Series-20-Amp-Fast-Act-Microwave-Fuses-2-Pack-BP-ABC-20/100161118 which is ceramic. It's an ABC, but I have some AGC and the filiments look different between the two, though ABC & AGC are both "Fast-Acting" as stated here:
http://www.cooperindustries.com/content/public/en/bussmann/consumer/products/home_circuit_protectionproductsandacc
[13:15:16] <Jmmmm> essories/fuses/Glass_Ceramic.html
[13:15:23] <Jmmmm> bah
[13:15:25] <Jmmmm> http://www.cooperindustries.com/content/public/en/bussmann/consumer/products/home_circuit_protectionproductsandaccessories/fuses/Glass_Ceramic.html
[13:15:47] <Jmmmm> Of course I only have ONE AGC 20A =)
[13:16:16] <Jmmmm> Just no clue why replacements are ceramic
[13:36:22] <jymmm> Ok, nuke works =)
[13:37:20] <jymmm> Glad that .22LR fit perfectly!!!
[13:38:34] <gregcnc> excellent solution, just be mindful of the direction
[13:39:03] <jymmm> It appears that "6G" is the pluggable version, and "6GP" is with pigtails that need to be soldered in.
[13:39:23] <gregcnc> make a note and put it on the fridge so that when the coroner shows up it's easy
[13:40:06] <jymmm> gregcnc: Yep, I didn't check polarity, when I plugged in the fuse it didn't work till I reversed it.
[13:40:21] <jymmm> gregcnc: No need, I used a dbl-ended .22lr bullet
[13:40:53] <jymmm> http://www.sunfuse.com/images/pdf/6G.pdf
[13:41:17] <gregcnc> how much target practice can you get with a double ended round?
[13:42:27] <jymmm> gregcnc: Technically two, if you happen to be abot to shoot with both eyes
[13:42:33] <CaptHindsight> how about a grenade disguised as hand gun?
[13:43:32] <jymmm> So "6G20A125V" == 6G == ABC (ceramic) == AGC (glass)
[13:44:13] <jymmm> Why 20A in a microwave I have no clue
[13:44:38] <jymmm> 6x32mm Glass Quick Acting Fuse
[13:44:51] <gregcnc> starting current is high
[13:45:19] <jymmm> gregcnc: Yeah, ok. only on a 15A circuit, but eh
[13:45:31] <gregcnc> 15A indefinitely
[13:45:42] <jymmm> Seems to be very common fuse
[13:48:32] <IchGucksLive> chopper791: did you got it
[13:49:23] <IchGucksLive> pcw_mesa: ?
[13:53:53] <IchGucksLive> off Gn8
[14:36:15] <Mac-Mill> can someone take a look at this and perhaps give me a reason the z-brake is not toggleing off with a movement?
http://pastebin.com/zSeT9Fht
[14:37:25] <Mac-Mill> when testing the pins, I get feed back on or2 in0 and in1 but nothing for out
[14:45:01] <MacGalempsy_> as for the spindle, the torque mode analogin is highly non-linear, so I went back to the working velocity mode setup that worked. just need to get this dang brake to releae on movement
[14:46:55] <Tom_L> you have 2 net z-brake lines
[14:48:05] <MacGalempsy_> the upper line is the output to the mesa and the lower one is the input from the and2
[14:48:24] <Tom_L> i didn't think you could have 2 nets with the same name
[14:48:42] <MacGalempsy_> as long as there are not 2 outs
[14:49:19] <Tom_L> it's been a while for me
[14:49:29] <MacGalempsy_> in the HAL I setup all the mesa ins and outs in one section, then refer to them when needed
[14:50:25] <Tom_L> i don't see any or2.zvel.out
[14:50:32] <Tom_L> unless i'm blind
[14:50:47] <MacGalempsy_> line 16
[14:50:54] <Tom_L> like i said...
[14:51:06] <Tom_L> you get nothing out there?
[14:51:23] <MacGalempsy_> no. watching the pin, it never triggers
[14:51:34] <Tom_L> do the others?
[14:51:38] <MacGalempsy_> yeah
[14:52:07] <MacGalempsy_> im curious if 3mhz is too fast
[14:52:24] <Tom_L> dunno
[14:52:42] <Tom_L> are you watching the pins or the halscope thing
[14:53:00] <MacGalempsy_> the halmeter
[14:53:14] <Tom_L> i used an actual logic analyzer on some of mine
[14:53:23] <Tom_L> to get the timing right on some delays etc
[14:53:43] <Tom_L> maybe it's too fast for halmeter?
[14:53:45] <Tom_L> i dunno
[14:54:08] <MacGalempsy_> ok. I will try with halscope in a bit and see what happens there
[14:54:48] <Tom_L> if you have a trigger on either or both inputs it should be toggling the output for sure
[14:55:33] <MacGalempsy> that is why its puzzling me
[14:55:38] <Tom_L> what's zbrake anded with?
[14:56:06] <Tom_L> besides zvel.out
[14:56:09] <MacGalempsy> that is a near function used to keep it off in case there is a little bit of servo searchin
[14:56:49] <MacGalempsy> i believe it did not work before that was added
[14:57:03] <Tom_L> to test the or2 i'd disconnect it from the and just to test the output of it
[14:57:16] <Tom_L> doesn't make sense that you would have to do that but still...
[14:57:40] <MacGalempsy> ok.
[14:57:46] <Tom_L> maybe that or gate is burned out and needs replaced :D
[14:58:12] <MacGalempsy> I can manually toggle the zbrake
[14:58:50] <MacGalempsy> i had it hooked up to z-enable, but when I power down the machine, it drops a thou before catching
[14:58:51] <Tom_L> that's not it, but it's all i can think to try really
[14:59:32] <Tom_L> without being hands on
[14:59:48] <MacGalempsy> you are close, time for a sunday drive
[15:00:12] <Tom_L> i'm helping her figure out some new software
[15:00:34] <Tom_L> which delays me figuring out my own
[15:00:58] <Tom_L> which would put you at least 4th on the list...
[15:02:02] <Tom_L> my saleae is just sitting here if it really came to it i'd consider a loan
[15:03:31] <MacGalempsy> saleae?
[15:03:52] <Tom_L> https://www.saleae.com/
[15:04:43] <Tom_L> mine's an older model
[15:08:01] <MacGalempsy> I think halscope will work. it works on index pulses
[15:08:12] <Tom_L> yeah
[15:09:10] <MacGalempsy> been out there for a bit trying to do a dac chart on my vfd.
[15:09:32] <MacGalempsy> the wind up is bad
[15:10:10] <Tom_L> i forgot where you were at
[15:10:17] <Tom_L> okc?
[15:10:21] <MacGalempsy> Fayetteville
[15:10:25] <Tom_L> ahh
[15:10:34] <Tom_L> been there a few times
[15:10:39] <MacGalempsy> use to be okc, but the wife is in school
[15:10:43] <Tom_L> you're prolly closer to JT
[15:12:19] <MacGalempsy> at very low rpm, I can get a pretty good number on the output, but it climbs slowly. once I get over 1000rpm forget it
[15:13:17] <MacGalempsy> the velocity mode is internal pid control, so only ±10v control
[15:19:08] * JT-Shop takes five from lumber jacking
[15:49:01] <Mac-Mill> Tom_L just tried halscope and while the in triggers, the out does not
[15:49:45] <Tom_L> maybe you should ask the higher level management about it then
[15:50:13] <Tom_L> sure seems odd to me
[15:50:51] <Tom_L> do both inputs ever trigger at once?
[15:51:12] <Tom_L> or is it one or the other?
[15:51:19] <Tom_L> ... closed the pastebin already
[15:51:27] <Tom_L> back in a few
[16:17:43] <Deejay> gn8
[17:15:31] <jymmm> estop button $1.28
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/LHLL-Red-Mushroom-Cap-1NO-1NC-DPST-Emergency-Stop-Push-Button-Switch-AC-660V-10A/32704661790.html
[17:16:07] <malcom2073> Just the place you wanna cheap out on :-P
[17:16:15] <pfred1> why not?
[17:17:04] <jymmm> Mac-Mill: You dont' necessarily need to use them as estop, maybe a game control
[17:17:12] <jymmm> malcom2073: ^^^
[17:17:24] <malcom2073> True
[17:17:29] <andypugh> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qYsNtrscPs
[17:17:52] <XXCoder> 40 parts??
[17:20:14] <malcom2073> I like the non-sprun ones, that don't turn on of their own accord when the locking tabs eventually break off :/
[17:23:49] <minibnz> 40 parts is to make them more reliable :)
[17:24:46] <McMillin> i just connected it back to the z-enable signal
[17:25:25] <McMillin> the drop is marginal enough that its time to move on.
[17:48:45] <minibnz> oh man.. i think i just had a stepper motor fail.. my Y axis refuses to move.. infact when the machine is enabled there is no tension on the Y axis motor at all.. so i moved it to the A axis driver and it still dont spin :( going to have to open it up and see what the GO is..
[17:49:11] <minibnz> at least thats one of the easiest motors to remove...
[17:49:41] <minibnz> i checked the resistance on the coils and they are all about 6kohms not the 1 or 2 ohms i expect
[17:52:29] <andypugh> That’s pretty unusual.
[17:52:54] <andypugh> Don’t take the rotor out of the stator, that can reduce the magnetism.
[17:53:02] <archivist> cable failure due to flex?
[17:54:55] <andypugh> I came down this morning to see I had forgotten to log off, and Nick was looking for me. Does anyone know what he wanted? Is Nick001 the same Nick?
[17:56:18] <JT-Shop> yea I think so
[17:59:33] <minibnz> I have just removed the heatshrink from the cable and everything looks fine.. the Y axis doesn't move so i dont expect flexing to be the cause..
[18:00:10] <minibnz> there was bit of coolant in the heatshrink. so i will cut the wires at the point where i extended them and see if that help the ohm's reading
[18:02:03] <minibnz> if i have to take out the rotor i will do it on the lathe, clamp the shaft in the chuck and use the cross slide to clamp the housing and pull it out
[18:03:26] <minibnz> the motor spins fine by hand nothing getting caught or binding..
[18:03:34] <sync_> short it out
[18:06:19] <jymmm> what sync_ said
[18:09:44] <minibnz> makes not difference when i short the wires.. i expect it to get harder to turn due to the back EMF generated but it feels exactly the same.
[18:10:12] <Wolf_> pull the rotor? are you planning on rebuilding the coils or something?
[18:10:46] <minibnz> no i just want to see if its a simple wire fault or if theres something else is going on..
[18:11:13] <Wolf_> all the wiring should be right at the end cap IIRC
[18:11:23] <minibnz> main problem is that i can not get the pulley off
[18:11:35] <minibnz> hmm maybe the pulley can stay..
[18:17:33] <andypugh> Leaving the pulley on will mean that you don’t accidentally pull the rotor out. (though it won’t want to come out)
[18:18:20] <andypugh> Shorting the wires _should_ make the motor harder to turn. In fact that’s how you can figure out the phase-ends and directions on an 8-wire motr that is badly documented.
[18:18:20] <minibnz> this is true but i do need to take it off at some point as i have ordered a smaller one to get me some more torque..
[18:19:07] <archivist> er smaller means less torque usually
[18:20:25] <andypugh> (For reference, you can test pairs of wires to determine the ends of each winding, then hook them in series with each other to get the directions. If you get a pair back-to-back they cancel. If they aren’t a pair, you get nothing. If they _are_ a pair and they are end-to-end it gets even stiffer)
[18:20:38] <andypugh> I guess he means smaller pulley
[18:21:56] * JT-Shop calls it a night
[18:23:03] <minibnz> i do mean a smaller pulley on the motor to get more torque as the other pulley is bigger that this one (and the new one)
[18:23:25] <minibnz> ok i think i have found the problem... there is a lot of green gunk inside the motor..
[18:24:54] <minibnz> and the wires that go to the coils have corroded away..
[18:28:02] <andypugh> How bizarre
[18:28:35] <archivist> water based coolant getting in ?
[18:28:43] <andypugh> Have you been taking it deep-sea diving? Did it originally work in a Flourine factory?
[18:32:50] <MacGalempsy> tip learned the hard way. dont get flourine on your pants and think washing them will make it go away. learned that when I lost $20 at the strip club
[18:33:15] <minibnz> only $20 at the strip club you did well....
[18:33:45] <MacGalempsy> it was the first 20 of the night. blacklights did me in
[18:34:10] <minibnz> so yeah the water based coolant got in and corroded the copper wire of the coils, not the connecting wires.... now i have two choices, try and rewire it or buy another...
[18:37:15] <andypugh> Buy another
[18:37:50] <minibnz> yeah thats what i am leaning towards...
[18:39:17] <andypugh> I _have_ wound my own motors (
https://goo.gl/photos/Fy194u8qBKYm7Afn8 ) and it is definitely not something I will do again unless I need to.
[18:39:47] <malcom2073> Is it possible to get decently high efficiency winding your own?
[18:39:58] <andypugh> Not in my experience :-)
[18:40:11] <malcom2073> Heh
[18:40:41] <andypugh> But I needed a motor of unusual shape.
[18:40:42] <malcom2073> How about re-winding?
[18:41:50] <andypugh> Well, clearly it is possible. Youtube shows that many motors are wound by hand, even commercially. But how much does a stepper cost? And how much for the wire?
[18:43:57] <malcom2073> Heh
[18:44:02] <minibnz> well when i say re-wire it i dont mean fully replace the windings was just simply going to re-terminate it...
[18:45:33] <minibnz> might even use this as a chance to upgrade the motors to bigger ones.. $58ea delivered for motors that are 300oz/in which will be an upgrade from the 180oz.in motors i have at the moment..
[18:46:26] <MacGalempsy> andypugh: how long did that take to rewind? did it work the first try?
[18:47:18] <andypugh> MacGalempsy: No, it took me three attempts to not short the windings out to the stator.
[18:47:39] <andypugh> Probbaly an hour of work each time.
[18:48:02] <minibnz> re-winding is not that hard, my brother does it all the time on starter motors and alternators.. (they are much larger so priobably a bit easier to work on) but for $100 i can replace both X & Y with bigger motors.. i already have a motor on order for the Z axis.
[18:49:33] <MacGalempsy> it would be hard if you never did one before
[18:49:56] <minibnz> actually i looked at the wrong ebay page.. the motor i am looking at is actually 425oz
[18:50:08] <MacGalempsy> I never did pass the motor project in the 8th grade
[18:52:05] <minibnz> hmmm 3 for $160... and the spare can go towards CNC'n the lathe :)
[18:52:21] <Wolf_> i have my high school motor still
[18:53:22] <Wolf_> now, are your current drivers big enough for the 425oz motors?
[18:54:09] <gregcnc> I loved science project books. i made a motor with nails and foil commutator when i was maybe 9
[18:55:37] <andypugh> gregcnc: You might like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9b0J29OzAU
[18:56:30] <gregcnc> cool! it had come up in the side bar but I never clicked it
[18:57:17] <gregcnc> my kids will love it
[18:58:56] <minibnz> Wolf_ yeah the motors claim to be 3amps my drivers are 3.5amps so i think i am fine there..
[18:59:48] <andypugh> Goodnight chaps
[18:59:57] <minibnz> i would like double shaft motors but they will have to come from china and will take longer...
[19:00:24] <minibnz> i will go with the single ended ones and glue on a stub shaft for the encoders
[19:00:36] <minibnz> or maybe drill and tapp the shafts..
[19:01:50] <XXCoder> yy got new tools :P
[19:01:57] <XXCoder> small screwdrivers and solder
[19:01:59] <minibnz> makes me wonder what my other stepper motors are like on the inside, i know the A axis motor has been in the flow of the coolant..
[19:02:00] <Wolf_> look around more, my first set were long motors shipped from USA with dual shaft
[19:03:08] <minibnz> im in AU and really dont want to have to wait two or more weeks for china to deliver.. or pay some arse twice what china charges just to get it here sooner
[19:03:22] <Wolf_> oh
[19:03:44] <Wolf_> still should be some on there somewhere
[19:06:02] <minibnz> nah only options i can see are china or germany.. regardless of price.
[19:06:27] <minibnz> i will just go with the single ended motors... they will be here on friday
[19:06:49] <minibnz> probably could pay more for express shipping but friday is ok
[19:07:13] <XXCoder> lazy falcons
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3bCyscWAAEP0nu.jpg
[19:07:24] <minibnz> I do have a motor comming tomorrow for the Z axis so i can move that motor down to Y to keep me rolling for now..
[19:07:50] <XXCoder> apparently guy paid for 80 seats for his birds
[19:08:03] <XXCoder> so that flights mostly for birds. ;)
[19:08:18] <minibnz> XXcoder i saw that the other day on tv.. they were saying this guy owned 65 birds. and they airline has a rule that says only 3 per flight so they made a special arrangement for this prince..
[19:08:32] <minibnz> ok might have been 80 birds
[19:08:58] <XXCoder> or 78 if include that 2 guys or more guyys dunnop
[19:09:15] <XXCoder> 65 birds might be right if more people to maintance them in flight
[19:10:02] <minibnz> hmm i dont get owning that many of one thing that all do the same thing.. i admit it i own 9 guns, and apart from the 2 bb guns for my niece and nephew they all do different things..
[19:10:26] <minibnz> but as i see it all these birds do the same thing..
[19:10:34] <XXCoder> I own millions of more or less same thing. heh
[19:10:38] <Wolf_> omg 9 guns. like a arsenal
[19:10:41] <minibnz> hehehe
[19:10:47] <XXCoder> lego parts :P
[19:10:59] <minibnz> Wolf_ in Au yes that is an arsenal...
[19:11:00] * Wolf_ hides his for sale list of firearms
[19:11:25] <Wolf_> oh wait, I thought they totally outlawed them there
[19:11:33] <XXCoder> thats good becaue you can count it as ONE arsenal. ;)
[19:11:40] <XXCoder> even if you has million guns :P
[19:11:50] <Wolf_> lol XXCoder
[19:11:54] <minibnz> i own a .223 12g shotty, .22mag, 2 daisy BB guns, .177 air .22air and a .22 PPC semi auto air rifle
[19:12:09] <XXCoder> I own
[19:12:14] <XXCoder> hmm yeah thats short list of guns
[19:12:17] <Wolf_> I have like 50 rifles/shotguns
[19:13:13] <minibnz> yeah you can pick one up with the milk and bread.. i have to apply.. written posted application to purchase then wait 30days and then i can buy 1 gun that i described on the application.. want another do it all again...
[19:13:34] <minibnz> so for me to get to 50guns it would take me about 5years of constant purchases..
[19:14:02] <XXCoder> so, why 50 of rifles and shotguns?
[19:14:09] <XXCoder> ready to attack liberals eh?
[19:14:22] <minibnz> there is a website that some anitgun nuttball made that trolls the govt records and will show you whats the average gun count per person/ per license/ per suburb...
[19:14:35] <Wolf_> inherited dad’s collection, slowly starting to get them sold off
[19:14:38] <XXCoder> mini averages in usa is weird
[19:14:56] <XXCoder> lemme find it again, forgot some details
[19:14:59] <gregcnc> who in heck needs 1M lego pricks when 999,999 is enough to cripple your feet for days?
[19:15:00] <minibnz> oh and we dont normally get to touch a semi auto anything. .my air rifle seems to be a loophole..
[19:15:07] <gregcnc> dang brick
[19:15:14] <minibnz> hehehehe
[19:15:21] <XXCoder> ah yes
[19:15:29] <XXCoder> minibnz: 3% of americans own american guns
[19:15:34] <XXCoder> err HALF
[19:15:51] <gregcnc> the rest own imported guns?
[19:15:56] <XXCoder> no
[19:16:05] <XXCoder> america guns as guns in america
[19:16:07] <Wolf_> rest are police?
[19:16:12] <Wolf_> or stolen
[19:16:14] <minibnz> in my suburb (20kms from sydney) the average per license is 5.8.. the average per person/citizen is about 0.0005
[19:16:18] <gregcnc> the rest are stolen
[19:16:28] <XXCoder> I specified america guns because there is more guns in world heh
[19:16:29] <pfred1> what's a gun license?
[19:16:38] <minibnz> hehehehe
[19:16:49] <minibnz> undue paper work....
[19:16:53] <minibnz> red tape...
[19:17:04] <minibnz> actually i kinda like our gun laws..
[19:17:06] <pfred1> our license here i a pulse
[19:17:16] <Wolf_> reminds me I need to do paperwork for a stupid ass handgun license to own, thx Maryland…
[19:17:23] <pfred1> heck we outlawed registration
[19:17:35] <XXCoder> 44% of houses has guns in it.
[19:18:05] <minibnz> i can get access to a gun for my sporting/hunting purposes and dont have to worry that when i look at someone (you lookin at me bro!) i dont have to worry that they will shoot me...
[19:18:13] <XXCoder> pfred1: wanna know whats funny? my collection is SMALL compared to many I know of
[19:18:15] <gregcnc> local attorney had an arsenal
http://tinyurl.com/jsp7dqy
[19:18:33] <XXCoder> my collection could be sorted into one guy I know collection without it visiably increased
[19:18:44] <Wolf_> I don’t need a gun, I own a CNC =)
[19:19:01] <XXCoder> Wolf_: you ponentally has infinite guns :P
[19:19:29] <pfred1> tom brady needs a gun
[19:19:32] <minibnz> even if they wont be accurate... i mean really who can make a barrel here?/
[19:19:39] <minibnz> oh and have it come out straight?
[19:19:47] <XXCoder> minibnz: just use hoaring and lapping
[19:19:50] <XXCoder> nice and smooth
[19:19:59] <XXCoder> oh yes and gun bore
[19:20:02] <pfred1> minibnz I saw a site on the net where a guy mad rifles the old fashioned way
[19:20:12] <XXCoder> its special and long drill
[19:20:15] <pfred1> I mean like the 1776 way
[19:20:25] <pink_vampire> hi
[19:20:27] <Wolf_> button rifling wouldnt be hard with a cnc lathe
[19:20:28] <minibnz> oh i have looked into it..
[19:20:29] <pfred1> he had a neat rifling setup
[19:20:52] <pfred1> he used a briken piece of file
[19:21:02] <minibnz> i have troubles making a pistol barrel straight... in the end it did work well..
[19:21:07] <pfred1> that he'd shim with a wooden wedge
[19:21:44] <Wolf_> I’ve actually been thinking about trying to make a barrel for my buckmark pistol
[19:21:47] <pfred1> hard as i look I can nevr find that site again though
[19:21:49] <XXCoder> shop at work uses one gun boring drill because its part that has very long hole that is specificed to be very stright. (tight tols)
[19:21:58] <XXCoder> insane tols on that part
[19:21:59] <minibnz> i saw a video of a lathe converted into a rifling machine it was quite impressive.. i think i could do it if i really really had to.. but i doubt i would get 2MOA out of it..
[19:22:11] <Wolf_> but I might cheat and use a 22 barrel blank
[19:22:15] <XXCoder> +-.005" true center
[19:22:19] <XXCoder> and its foot long
[19:22:46] <pfred1> the real big boys forge barrels
[19:23:20] <minibnz> you guys are spoilt... you can just go an buy one no problems.. down here if you even suggest that you might touch a barrel with a power tool of any type will result in a no sale..
[19:23:27] <XXCoder> gun drills
http://www.sterlinggundrills.com/images/index-pic.png
[19:25:13] <minibnz> i did it years ago i made up a gun out of parts, purchased the action at one store the barrel at another and the mag at a third, this was before they closed up the loophole... and them cut down the 303 .22 barrel down and chanbered it for .22mag.. that worked really well.. but the police turned up to my mates house wanting to see all the parts we purchased 12years after the fact..
[19:25:39] <Wolf_> wow
[19:25:53] <Wolf_> and here you can buy barrels and parts on ebay
[19:25:56] <minibnz> he got called into a tribunal/hearing to explain the cutdown barrel.. he just told them he got a gunsmith to do it..
[19:26:22] <XXCoder> know whats funny theres basically no bow and arrow regulations :P but then it takes while to train on that lol
[19:26:26] <gregcnc> he named a dead one?
[19:26:37] <minibnz> he was lucky cuz we only cut off 3.5inches of the barrel to remove the old chamber.. and it was within the legal limits..
[19:27:06] <Wolf_> I like bow and arrow, defeats soft body armor lol
[19:27:29] <minibnz> yup..
[19:28:11] <_methods> http://www.crosman.com/airbow
[19:28:49] <XXCoder> if it becomes common enough it will be regulated im sure
[19:29:03] <minibnz> oh anyone 16+ can buy a bow here in AU.. but a cross bow it pretty much totally outlawed.. some dipshit of a kid took one to school i a guitar case and shot his ex girlfriend with it.. the bad bit was the bolt went thru her and stuck in her friend behind her...
[19:29:05] <XXCoder> I used to own 8 footer but lost it years ago
[19:29:28] <minibnz> oh i saw the airbows. at the gun shop the other day.. they are the best thing goin.. but i am not allowed to hunt with one yet...
[19:30:33] <Wolf_> yeah, thats something we use to demo during hunter safety classes was how a arrow would penetrate a bucket full of sand when a true steel core AP round wouldn’t
[19:31:05] <minibnz> _method have a look at the FX verminator.. its a takedown airbow that fits in a carry case that you can swap the barrel out on and shoot air rifle pellets.. i saw a video of a dude putting three arrows end to end at 50m. took 12 shots to get those three end to end but still impressive..
[19:31:20] <_methods> i'll have to check that out
[19:32:05] <minibnz> i so want one.. but after spending 2500au on the monsoon i decided to fill out the rest of the collection then come back to the airbows.
[19:32:49] <_methods> yeah that is cool
[19:33:21] <minibnz> i need to get me a .22lr rifle and a .308 for deer and pigs then i will look towards an airbow.
[19:33:29] <_methods> does it have a foot pump like the benjamin?
[19:33:41] <_methods> can't see what the air options are
[19:33:47] <minibnz> yeah they have a three and a four stage pump npw..
[19:34:05] <minibnz> the other option is a scuba tank.(thats how i use my monsoon()
[19:34:31] <minibnz> starting to think a foot pump might not be a bad backup option..
[19:34:39] <_methods> yeah
[19:34:49] <_methods> that's the cool thing about the benjamin
[19:35:02] <_methods> great SHTF tool
[19:35:21] <minibnz> i saw some bogan up in the northern territory that hooked his foot pump upto a motor so he could fill a buddy scuba bottle
[19:35:52] <_methods> a bogan is a nerd?
[19:36:23] <_methods> don't know the au terminology lol
[19:37:02] <_methods> oh bogan is trailer trash
[19:37:22] <minibnz> oh bogan == hillbilly x red neck
[19:37:46] <_methods> gotcha i googled it
[19:37:55] <_methods> i thought it was like boffin
[19:38:05] <_methods> that's the brit term for nerd or something i think
[19:38:07] <minibnz> i can see why he did it.. filing a gun in 40'c heat would suck arse.. and getting a scuba tank filled in the desert would be near impossible,
[19:38:26] <minibnz> yeah they call older nerds boffins
[19:38:38] <minibnz> you usually need grey hair to be a boffin..
[19:38:44] <_methods> ah
[19:38:47] <_methods> lol
[19:38:51] <_methods> so they have grades of nerds
[19:38:51] <skunkworks> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/benchtop-machines/328140-autocad-forum-2.html#post1999184
[19:39:13] <_methods> age discrimination in nerd identification lol
[19:40:22] <minibnz> ok im ordering these motors.. b
[19:42:38] <minibnz> oh man its been an expensive day to day.. took the day off work so i could finish this machining job, only to have the motor die on me before 10am.. then i just ordered $160 worth of motors. on top of the geared motor i ordered on saturday fr the z axis.. i hope this is the last of what i need for a while..
[19:43:07] <minibnz> i will be sure to apply a healthy dose of sealant to the new motors to keep them alive longer.
[19:50:27] <minibnz> hmmm seeing as though the mill is down for the rest of the day maybe i should look at getting a quote on getting the parts for the tool platter water cut
[20:01:32] <gregcnc> so gaga's half time show wasn't terrible
[20:02:03] <minibnz> if you ignore the lady gaga factor then yes..
[20:02:07] <MacGalempsy> youz watchin that foozball?
[20:02:19] <gregcnc> no, just the half time show
[20:04:36] <MacGalempsy> been workin on the mill all day. once this game is over, Im gonna catch a stng
[20:05:05] <XXCoder> sting
[20:05:14] <XXCoder> just go outside piss off a bee or wasp ;)
[20:05:20] <MacGalempsy> star trek next generation
[20:05:35] <XXCoder> heh normal short is tng
[20:06:04] <MacGalempsy> sorry i didnt meet your standard
[20:06:17] <XXCoder> nobody can muhahahaa
[20:07:49] <MacGalempsy> did you find all the tooling you needed
[20:08:50] <BeachBumPete> thats a damn good idea
[20:09:01] <XXCoder> what is?
[20:09:20] <MacGalempsy> tng?
[20:09:24] <BeachBumPete> watching STNG instead of game ;)
[20:09:33] <XXCoder> ahh yea
[20:09:47] <MacGalempsy> if anyone plays battlefield 4 on xbox1, lets play
[20:10:00] <XXCoder> I read a little about tng history, interesting that they did hd version at pretty good expense, and they didnt make money back
[20:10:10] <XXCoder> so they wont make hd versions of ds9 and voyager
[20:10:24] <MacGalempsy> the new series comes out later this spring
[20:10:31] <XXCoder> its delayed again
[20:10:33] <BeachBumPete> oh yeah AWESOME
[20:10:52] <MacGalempsy> my wife is SLOWLY warming up to it
[20:10:52] <BeachBumPete> man I was out on our kayaks ALL DAY Feeshin'
[20:11:02] <MacGalempsy> first she would only watch the newest movies
[20:11:03] <BeachBumPete> I got a WEE BIT sunburnt
[20:11:14] <MacGalempsy> now I have her in the room when tng is going
[20:11:54] <MacGalempsy> I kind of like enterprise, but ds9 was my fav
[20:12:05] <BeachBumPete> I like them all ;)
[20:12:09] <XXCoder> tng and voyager for me
[20:12:21] <XXCoder> though both has truly awful parts lol
[20:12:48] <BeachBumPete> my wife looks like a red tomato face now thanks to several hours in the Florida sun catching fish on a kayak hehehe
[20:12:51] <XXCoder> warp 10 anyone? lol
[20:12:52] <chopper79> Hello all... Still working on trying to get my 7i92 to flash. I was getting this as a return after I try to flash my 7i92 "mesaflash: command not found" So I installed mesaflash from here
https://github.com/micges/mesaflash Followed directions and everything seemed to make just fine (no errors). Tried to flash again and same error of "mesaflash: command not found"
[20:12:55] <chopper79> pointers?
[20:13:35] <chopper79> tried running flash command with sudo also and no luck
[20:14:17] <chopper79> mesaflash --device 7i92 --write 7i92_7i77x2.bit
[20:15:48] <MacGalempsy> time to rub her down with aloe pete
[20:16:09] <BeachBumPete> damn knew I forget something at the store hehe
[20:16:28] <MacGalempsy> make the run and pick up some wine
[20:16:48] <MacGalempsy> klingon blood wine that is
[20:16:48] <BeachBumPete> I would if we did not have to get up in a couple hours for work tomorrow LOL
[20:17:15] <BeachBumPete> we are watching Firefly right now
[20:18:27] <pfred1> chopper79 so you built mesaflash?
[20:19:01] <chopper79> sudo apt-get install libpci-dev
[20:19:01] <chopper79> make
[20:19:07] <pfred1> OK
[20:19:24] <pfred1> you install it on your path?
[20:19:33] <pfred1> type which mesaflash
[20:20:18] <pfred1> if you're going to run a binary not on yuor path from the directory the file is in prface the command like this: ./mesaflash
[20:20:26] <chopper79> used this link
https://github.com/micges/mesaflash
[20:20:33] <chopper79> not sure of version
[20:20:39] <pfred1> because by default your CWD is not on your path in Linux
[20:20:45] <chopper79> let me try that
[20:21:20] <pfred1> you're going to have to copy that image file or use the full path to it where you run the command too
[20:22:25] <MacGalempsy> anyone try this before?
https://github.com/verser-git/probe_screen/blob/b195fa434afb7e0b6c02528dd57092eeb02e65d6/README.md
[20:23:15] <pfred1> file mesaflash
[20:23:15] <pfred1> mesaflash: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.26, BuildID[sha1]=0x6ee7f72ccb55e5ab129b64e84faea164bf1a0d14, not stripped
[20:24:00] <chopper792> ok tried again and returns as no 7i92 found. I was monitoring the 7i92 while trying to flash and the LED flicker a bunch before it returns the error. So looks lik emesa flash is communicating
[20:24:34] <pfred1> that's all it said?
[20:24:59] <pfred1> anything in your log file? tail /var/log/syslog
[20:25:10] <MacGalempsy> do you have power to the 7i82?
[20:25:14] <MacGalempsy> 7i92?
[20:25:40] <pfred1> I have heard the 7i92 has to be powered up before you boot
[20:25:41] <chopper792> 7i92 is powered on with 5v and jumpers w5, w6 are both down.
[20:26:01] <MacGalempsy> can you see it in halcmd?
[20:26:37] <pfred1> chopper792 you don't have a cat5 cable going right to the card do you?
[20:26:49] <chopper792> yes direct connection
[20:26:54] <pfred1> yeh no that won't work
[20:26:57] <chopper792> halcmd
[20:27:03] <pfred1> rx & tx are backwards
[20:27:13] <pfred1> put a hub between them
[20:27:19] <MacGalempsy> ah a crossover
[20:27:34] <pfred1> yeah who has crossover cables?
[20:27:41] <chopper792> I will make a new cable. I was using a cable I had in my bin
[20:27:58] <pfred1> it should work if you got liek a switch or a hub kickign around
[20:28:06] <chopper792> brb
[20:28:33] <pfred1> a goesinta and a goesoutta
[20:29:22] <pfred1> unless the card can handle backwards ethernet?
[20:29:38] <pfred1> it might have been made that way?
[20:30:02] <XXCoder> eask to maqke crossover
[20:30:09] <XXCoder> *easy *make
[20:30:23] <pfred1> so a direct plain ethernet cable won't communitate with it?
[20:31:08] <pfred1> when all else fails read the instructions
[20:31:14] <XXCoder> lol
[20:32:03] <Wolf_> RTFM FTW
[20:32:29] <MacGalempsy> yeah. the whole reason I hang out here is to ATFM
[20:32:46] <XXCoder> read the funny manual. got it!
[20:34:28] <pfred1> this gizm needs a quick start guide
[20:36:46] <pfred1> chopper792 Linux is case sensitive so you have to type files with upper case letters upper case
[20:37:03] <chopper792> need to run and grab my crimper form my brothers. I figured a normal cable would work as ost equipment these days can cross it over fine.
[20:37:18] <pfred1> well lets make sure the ommand you're using is right
[20:38:09] <pfred1> what command did you try to use?
[20:40:48] <MacGalempsy> sit? shake? rolloveR?
[20:41:37] <Jymmmm> play dead
[20:41:53] <Jymmmm> go fetch
[20:42:06] <Jymmmm> get me a beer!
[20:42:30] <XXCoder> sudo get me a drink
[20:43:02] <malcom2073> Invalid password, this incident will be reported
[20:43:38] <XXCoder> rm -rf /log/sudo/report.txt]
[20:43:47] <XXCoder> rm -rf /log/sudo/
[21:05:03] <chopper792> ok... I am back sorry
[21:05:26] <chopper792> ./mesaflash --device 7i92 --write 7i92_7i77x2.bit
[21:05:30] <chopper792> command used
[21:05:41] <pfred1> chopper792 ls 7i92_7i77x2.bit
[21:06:14] <pfred1> well?
[21:06:31] <chopper792> returns 7i92_7i77x2.bit
[21:06:48] <pfred1> OK it is in the directory with mesaflash?
[21:06:55] <chopper792> yes
[21:07:27] <chopper792> my cable is straight thru also. No crossover
[21:07:28] <XXCoder> heh. guy hides stolen gold in butt, he was convicted by Judge doody
[21:07:29] <pfred1> what are your W5 and W6 jumper settings?
[21:07:43] <chopper792> let me look
[21:08:22] <chopper792> both down to use standard 192.168.1.121 ip
[21:08:27] <pfred1> OK
[21:08:43] <pfred1> well nothing in the manual says anything about a crossover cable
[21:08:52] <pfred1> so I'm assuming you don't need it?
[21:08:54] <chopper792> correct
[21:09:11] <chopper792> I did not see anything about it either
[21:09:32] <pfred1> althugh nothing in the manual really says anythign about how to hook this device up
[21:09:39] <chopper792> I did read somewhere that some boards left the factory not named....
[21:09:47] <chopper792> agreed
[21:10:00] <chopper792> pretty simple hookup
[21:10:01] <pfred1> they figure plug it in and go
[21:10:44] <pfred1> try ./mesaflah --help
[21:10:59] <pcw_home> Crossover is not needed
[21:11:01] <pfred1> flash even
[21:11:22] <pcw_home> all 7I92s are named
[21:11:25] <pfred1> pcw_home good to know
[21:11:34] <chopper792> good to know
[21:12:06] <pfred1> so mesaflash just can't find the hardware to communicate with
[21:12:32] <pfred1> chopper792 your PC have 2 ethernet cards?
[21:12:39] <pcw_home> The one you just built?
[21:12:46] <chopper792> When I try flashing the LED flicker and then reports back "No 7I92 board found
[21:12:46] <chopper792> "
[21:13:04] <chopper792> single lan
[21:13:29] <pfred1> so just one network interface?
[21:13:34] <chopper792> yes
[21:13:41] <chopper792> ip is static
[21:13:55] <chopper792> ping = check
[21:14:09] <pfred1> so you can ping the card but can't find it?
[21:14:20] <chopper792> ping no problem
[21:14:53] <MacGalempsy> well gents. have a good night. im off to tng land.
[21:14:58] <chopper792> run flash command 4 led by Ethernet jack flicker and reports back No 7I92 board found
[21:15:17] <chopper792> ping right after and no issue with ping
[21:15:36] <pcw_home> ping at what address?
[21:15:53] <chopper792> 192.168.1.121
[21:16:18] <chopper792> if I change the jumpers to use 10.10.10.10 I can ping that as well
[21:16:22] <pcw_home> then you likely are still running the wrong mesaflash
[21:16:47] <pcw_home> did you build and install mesaflash from source?
[21:16:50] <chopper792> built form here
https://github.com/micges/mesaflash
[21:17:05] <pcw_home> and installed?
[21:17:11] <chopper792> yes
[21:17:30] <chopper792> sudo apt-get install libpci-dev
[21:17:32] <chopper792> make
[21:17:37] <chopper792> did not report any issues
[21:17:56] <pcw_home> so its not installed and you are likely using the old mesaflash
[21:18:46] <chopper792> ok... where is the new mesaflash?
[21:19:03] <pcw_home> you have to:
[21:19:05] <pcw_home> sudo make install
[21:19:18] <chopper792> let me do that ...one sec
[21:19:41] <pcw_home> normally you dont worry about where it is
[21:19:57] <pcw_home> (and you dont use ./)
[21:20:56] <pcw_home> also when testing its best to not use dangerous commands like --write
[21:21:31] <chopper792> used make install and returned this
[21:21:33] <chopper792> install --mode=0755 --owner root --group root --dir /bin
[21:21:34] <chopper792> install --mode=0755 --owner root --group root mesaflash /bin
[21:21:40] <chopper792> seem correct
[21:21:43] <pcw_home> --readhmid is much safer
[21:22:10] <pfred1> --readhmid print hostmot2 configuration in PIN file format
[21:22:33] <chopper792> brb
[21:22:44] <pfred1> I was wondering what --sserial did
[21:23:21] <pcw_home> dumps sserial data base infr from attached devices
[21:23:27] <pcw_home> info
[21:23:45] <chopper79> ok.... tried to flash again and returned No 7I92 board found
[21:24:15] <pfred1> chopper79 try --readhmid
[21:24:29] <chopper79> hold on.... this is a 7i92m is that why?
[21:25:11] <pcw_home> why are you trying to flash when you have issues? if something is wrong you will likely brick the card
[21:26:51] <chopper79> understood
[21:27:15] <pfred1> woo teh Patriots are catching up
[21:27:30] <chopper79> --readhmid returns same as before "no 7i92 board found"
[21:27:40] <pcw_home> does this machine have a active internet connection?
[21:27:47] <chopper79> yes on it now
[21:28:21] <pcw_home> so you have 2 ethernet ports (or wireless)
[21:29:11] <Wolf_> this is something I was wondering about, how do you set the what address goes where
[21:30:13] <chopper792> single internet connection. I was accessing internet between attempts. I ran in and got my laptop now so the 7i92 will remain connected
[21:30:22] <chopper792> had to let laptop charge
[21:30:31] <pfred1> route - show / manipulate the IP routing table
[21:30:54] <pfred1> Wolf_ man route
[21:31:14] <Wolf_> cool
[21:31:38] <pfred1> route -n shows your current routign table
[21:32:36] <pfred1> arp -a shows your gateway too
[21:32:53] <chopper792> show two ip
[21:33:16] <chopper792> 169.254.0.0 and a 192.168.1.0
[21:34:02] <pfred1> then there's ifconfig that shows your machines network interfaces
[21:34:04] <chopper792> If I go to edit connections to look at the ip I have set it is 192.168.1.121
[21:34:27] <pcw_home> Ahh thats the problem
[21:34:31] <pfred1> so you made your mesa gard yoru gateway?
[21:34:40] <chopper792> shows 192.168.1.121 for inet
[21:34:40] <Wolf_> so how do you set the traffic for the 7i92 to the correct port...
[21:34:54] <pcw_home> you need to set your host address 2 192.168.1.1
[21:35:14] <pcw_home> s/2/to/
[21:35:48] <pcw_home> so you were pinging your PC
[21:36:11] <chopper792> what is s/2/to/ ?
[21:36:22] <pfred1> switch 2 to
[21:36:37] <chopper792> set ip for 192.168.1.1
[21:36:46] <pfred1> sed s/2/to/g;
[21:36:51] <Wolf_> s/tipo/typo s=switch
[21:36:58] <pfred1> man sed
[21:37:13] <pfred1> somehow sed is a big hit on IRC
[21:37:21] <pcw_home> if the 7I92 is set for 192.168.1.121 set your PC to 192.168.1.1
[21:37:22] <pcw_home> if the 7i92 is set to 10.10.10.10, set your PC to 10.10.10.1
[21:38:15] <Wolf_> now, with a system with dual nic, are you able to set one to 10.10.10.1 and other to use your normal home network?
[21:38:41] <pcw_home> (also if you change 7I92 IP address jumpers you need to power cycle the 7i92 for them to take effect)
[21:38:57] <chopper792> ok 7i92 is set for 192.168.1.121 and my pc is 192.168.1.1
[21:39:39] <pfred1> then ping 192.168.1.121
[21:39:54] <pcw_home> yes thats the normal way I set things up (192.168.x.x for normal NAT network, 10.10.10.x for RT Ethernet)
[21:40:24] <Wolf_> ok makes sense
[21:40:27] <pcw_home> ships that pass in the night...
[21:40:35] <chopper792> ok... I was not aware of this. Thank you
[21:41:04] <chopper792> I can ping 192.168.1.1
[21:41:12] <pfred1> that's your machine
[21:41:28] <Wolf_> https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856173128&ignorebbr=1 wondering if this would make a ok host for a 7i92 build
[21:41:41] <chopper792> --readhmid returns with pinouts
[21:41:47] <pfred1> then it works
[21:41:56] <chopper792> yes
[21:41:59] <pcw_home> Yeah I have a CI323
[21:42:02] <pfred1> well alrighty then
[21:42:17] <pcw_home> its work fine if a little slow
[21:42:37] <Wolf_> slow in what way?
[21:42:53] <pfred1> can you ping 192.168.1.121 ?
[21:43:03] <pcw_home> the other option is just to add a USB Ethernet dongle to any old PC for normal network
[21:43:20] <chopper792> I did not know I needed to set the ip addresses like that. I seen the ip in then manual and plugged it in..... stupid of me.
[21:43:32] <chopper792> pcw_home: is it ok to flash now?
[21:43:34] <pfred1> pcw_home can you hook the 7i92 to a switch or router?
[21:43:55] <pcw_home> you can (if you run multiple cards you need a switch)
[21:43:59] <pfred1> like just have it as a network device?
[21:44:26] <pfred1> yeah I like switches myself
[21:44:32] <pcw_home> well it still needs to be real time (within a few hundred usec)
[21:45:05] <pcw_home> to maintain a 1 KHz servo thread reliably
[21:45:43] <pfred1> my machine upstairs through 2 ancient slow switches is time=0.202 ms
[21:46:00] <pcw_home> but with a fast host you can run four 7I92s from one port at 1 KHz
[21:46:21] <chopper792> ok.... flash went fine. Then reloaded and ran --readhmid and returned fine.
[21:46:25] <pfred1> I really need to craw under the house and redo my network cables
[21:46:44] <chopper792> Thank you everyone.
[21:47:18] <pcw_home> most newer switches have basically only store and forward times (and some have cut-through)
[21:47:36] <pfred1> one switch I'm using is like 25 years old
[21:47:55] <pfred1> long story why I'm even using it
[21:50:01] <pcw_home> that's just 1992ish doesn't seem that long ago
[21:50:36] <pfred1> I think it is 10mbit?
[21:50:51] <XXCoder> 25 years
[21:51:04] <pfred1> but when I got a new PC it couldn't communicate with my old modem
[21:51:18] <pfred1> but with a switch between them it worked
[21:51:49] <pfred1> I have a new modem now and i never tried a direct connection with it yet but I'm hoping it'll just work
[21:52:19] <pcw_home> I still have DOS machines on our work network and they have various perculiarities
[21:52:47] <pfred1> this is the time of year to go drawling under the house too
[21:52:53] <pfred1> crawling even
[21:53:17] <pfred1> I can wear coveralls and the snakes should all be hibernating
[21:53:40] <pfred1> I've seen some whopper snaks down there in the past
[21:53:47] <pcw_home> probably soggy under ours (been raining about a week solid here)
[21:54:07] <pfred1> yeah we had like 3 weeks of rainy weather nothing too heavy though
[21:54:09] <pfred1> been cold
[21:54:58] <pfred1> nothing like this
http://i.imgur.com/QAx4MRV.jpg
[21:55:35] <pfred1> that was like over a foot deep in the middle
[21:55:48] <XXCoder> fancy
[21:56:00] <XXCoder> private pond~!
[21:56:06] <pfred1> yeah turns out the farmer acrodd the street filled in the drainage ditch
[21:56:14] <pcw_home> Wolf_ the CI323 uses a Intel N3150, which is sort of like a J1900 so adequate but a little pokey for me (Spoiled by G32XX and I5/I7s)
[21:56:16] <pfred1> the state got on hi ass for that
[21:56:33] <XXCoder> geez
[21:56:56] <pfred1> they worked on that ditch for liek 2 years
[21:57:20] <pfred1> burned all the trees out of it redug it the works
[21:57:52] <pfred1> my block was on the news for that flooding
[21:59:08] <Wolf_> pcw_home: thats good to know, looking at alternative systems for a plasma table build, still have this q1900-itx i’m working with as well
[21:59:31] <XXCoder> alternate systems same as alternate facts? ;)
[21:59:59] <XXCoder> pfred1: they took that long to go back to fix? trees frew on it?
[22:00:02] <Wolf_> lol
[22:00:20] <pfred1> XXCoder more like it was ignored for that long
[22:00:23] <XXCoder> it definitely applies to alternative medicine :P
[22:00:39] <pfred1> we're using a drainage system that was put in in the 1620s in places here
[22:00:57] <XXCoder> geez
[22:01:03] <XXCoder> older than usa lol
[22:01:10] <pfred1> yeah well it worked for a long time
[22:01:43] <pfred1> but in that time folks kinda didn't pay it much mind after a while
[22:03:14] <pcw_home> Wolf_: someone said they got decent latency from this quite new cheap MB (J1800 replacement):
[22:03:16] <pcw_home> https://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=j3355&N=-1&isNodeId=1
[22:03:50] <pfred1> well I'm goingto watch the end fo the game if it is stil on
[22:26:23] <chopper792> I have not been able to try yet. Will soon but wanted to know if the pncconf was able to be used with the 792 + 7i77 setup? If not that is fine I will create the config. Just wanting to know if it was or not?
[22:42:57] <XXCoder> Wolf_: working on wiring again
[22:43:09] <XXCoder> getting there lol all clk and dir is done
[22:43:36] <XXCoder> pc5v and enabled seem to be both shared
[23:23:06] <minibnz> ok i have new motors on order.. and i have dropped off my quote request to the water cutters...
[23:28:39] <minibnz> trying to think of what i can do while i wait for the parts to arrive... i might start building my 4 quadrant peizo probe form the mill..
