#linuxcnc | Logs for 2017-02-03

[02:17:41] <Deejay> moin
[02:53:29] <IchGucksLive> Morning from a Raining Germany
[02:57:45] <IchGucksLive> jensor: i do not see in the loga that you got the Joypad working weard behavior
[02:58:38] <IchGucksLive> off till later
[05:06:46] <jthornton> morning
[05:07:19] <XXCoder> boo
[05:07:34] <XXCoder> did you have a victory over itch bats?
[05:07:58] <jthornton> yes, walls and roof all done, just have the gable ends to go
[05:08:54] <jthornton> takes just a few sticks of wood in the morning to keep it toasty all day
[05:13:26] <jthornton> did you see my crappy video?
[05:13:37] <XXCoder> no
[05:14:17] <jthornton> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPwz8pbZlpc
[05:14:42] <jthornton> I found a better way to record the desktop than that
[05:15:42] <XXCoder> nice
[05:16:05] <XXCoder> is gcode generators part of linuxcnc?
[05:16:11] <XXCoder> because I dont recall that?
[05:17:04] <jthornton> I wrote some a few years ago and a couple others used my code to write a few more
[05:17:20] <XXCoder> oh yea I think I tried one of em?
[05:18:28] <XXCoder> pretty boring video but tutorial on basics usually are
[05:24:21] <jthornton> mainly I was trying to figure out subtitles
[05:24:39] <XXCoder> what editor did you use?
[05:25:33] <jthornton> Gaupol
[05:25:49] <jthornton> lol had to watch a video on how to use it
[05:25:54] <XXCoder> interesting
[05:25:58] <XXCoder> I used online tool lol
[05:26:36] <XXCoder> i wanted to caption one video, its private video of myself ranting about dumbass deaf people vlogging in car and driving!
[05:27:13] <jthornton> what is vlogging?
[05:27:18] <XXCoder> http://nomorecraptions.com/ pretty good
[05:27:23] <XXCoder> like blog but video
[05:36:45] <jthornton> my basil plants are doing much better this time, the cotyledon is staying close to the dirt and growing wide
[05:38:12] <jthornton> last time they were too far from the light source and the cotyledon shot up several inches and ran out of poop and fell over
[07:12:57] <jensor> Help needed to find usb joypad with linuxcnc 2.7.8
[07:14:55] <jensor> I am following instructions http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Simple_Remote_Pendant
[07:15:33] <jensor> Appareently -KRAL has been deprcated.
[08:03:03] <gregcnc> https://chicago.craigslist.org/nch/tls/5986440952.html doesn't even know how many they have ?
[08:03:35] <sync_> haha
[08:05:51] <gregcnc> must have parted them out?
[08:06:51] <archivist> the one at the rear is at an odd angle
[08:07:45] <archivist> good lumps of iron to make something on though
[08:09:06] <archivist> although knowing the wear on mine, probably all need regrinding
[08:10:07] <gregcnc> if in good condition, it would be a selling point
[08:14:16] <gregcnc> It's always nice when a vendor tells you they have stock, you order overnight, and next day they say they don't have it, late enough that you couldn't get anyone else to ship overnight for friday
[08:15:34] <sync_> yup
[08:15:36] <sync_> love that
[08:15:59] <sync_> or they ship something out
[08:16:07] <sync_> and it is missing half of the order
[08:16:36] <_methods> yeah i've had quite a few amazon people pull that on me
[08:17:29] <_methods> i've seen lately they'll say it's shipped even when it hasn't
[08:17:52] <_methods> they'll print out a ups ticket so it says shipper info received
[08:17:58] <_methods> or start a shipper or whatever
[08:18:03] <_methods> then not ship
[08:18:39] <_methods> i'm assuming that is some loophole in the amazon agreement for shipping times
[08:18:56] <SpeedEvil> I've sold stuff.
[08:19:02] <gregcnc> so i'm butchering some tooling and going for the inconvenient setup
[08:19:17] <SpeedEvil> Basically, there is no agreement on shipping - it's based around buyer complaints.
[08:19:37] <_methods> even the 2day shipping guaranteed?
[08:19:40] <gregcnc> innocent until proven guilty
[08:19:44] <_methods> ah
[08:20:16] <SpeedEvil> That is - as long as the buyer doesn't complain - it's not investigated at all
[08:20:22] <_methods> interesting
[08:20:39] <_methods> yeah i don't complain unless i'm really wronged or the parts are bad
[08:21:16] <_methods> i only had a couple complaints in years until i got into quadcopters and it seems like half the stuff i get from these vendors is bad
[08:21:43] <_methods> i've started more complaints in the last couple months then in 10 years
[08:22:16] <gregcnc> these parts were likely to be drop shipped from a supplier, so it may not have been totally their fault but I had high hopes as everyone else was 3-5 weeks
[08:34:49] <gregcnc> https://www.instagram.com/p/BQCFinjjGO0/ interesting roboter
[08:39:38] <jensor> Help needed to find usb joypad with linuxcnc 2.7.8
[08:39:41] <jensor> I am following instructions http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Simple_Remote_Pendant
[08:40:11] <jensor> Apparently -KRAL has been depercated.
[08:40:43] <jensor> deprecated
[08:41:42] <jensor> less /proc/bus/input/devices doesn't discover the joypad
[08:48:33] <Tom_L> no joy
[08:48:47] <JT-Shop> jensor: what OS
[08:49:08] <jensor> linux
[08:49:24] <JT-Shop> which one?
[08:49:51] <jensor> Linuxcnc 2.7.8
[08:50:58] <JT-Shop> how did you install it?
[08:51:07] <jensor> live cd
[08:51:38] <JT-Shop> ok then your OS is Debian Wheezy
[08:51:47] <jensor> yes
[08:52:34] <JT-Shop> I might be able to try the joypad on wheezy in the morning, I have to go to work now
[08:52:46] <jensor> ok
[08:55:03] * Tom_L wonders what JT-Shop is up to now that the itch is done itching
[09:03:29] <JT-Shop> writing a gui for the latency histogram
[09:03:43] <JT-Shop> getting other stuff done lol
[09:08:06] <JT-Shop> jensor: on Linux Mint 17.3 it shows up as the same as Ubuntu 10.04
[09:08:08] <JT-Shop> N: Name="Logitech Logitech Dual Action"
[09:08:31] <JT-Shop> when I do less /proc/bus/input/devices
[09:08:56] <JT-Shop> try a different usb port
[09:09:01] * JT-Shop heads out now
[09:13:44] <jensor> ok
[09:36:09] <jensor> I'm still trying to debian wheezy to find my joypad
[09:36:23] <MacGalempsy_> that sux
[09:36:58] <MacGalempsy_> have you confirmed the joypad actually works?
[09:37:13] <jensor> need someone who know wheezy's inards
[09:37:36] <jensor> No it is a new joypad and have no way of checking it
[09:38:03] <MacGalempsy_> maybe you can try the #linux channel?
[09:38:06] <jensor> lsusb does show it
[09:38:35] <jensor> but less /proc/bus/input/devices doesn't
[09:39:33] <MacGalempsy_> im a windows guy. everytime I have had to fix something on linux, it takes an hour or so of reading up on the net. have you tried google search or something like that?
[09:40:25] <jensor> yes & thought I found it Tried to enter a linux command and get command not found
[09:40:53] <MacGalempsy_> which command are you trying?
[09:41:05] <jensor> I will try #linux for this
[09:42:05] <jensor> well I don't recall now, but I was following instructions on a linux web page
[09:45:57] <cradek> does your udev rule match the id shown by lsusb?
[09:53:35] <cradek> what's the usb id of your device? your pastebin of lsusb expired.
[09:53:42] <jensor> in udev/rules.d I put file 51-plugdev.rules that contains KERNEL=="event*", ATTRS{idVendor}=="0e8f", ATTRS{idProduct}=="0003", MODE:="0644"
[09:54:20] <jensor> try http://pastebin.com/NdQC3x1i
[09:56:25] <cradek> greenasia maxfire is the joypad?
[09:56:31] <jensor> yes
[09:58:22] <jensor> PC is HP compaq
[09:58:43] <cradek> filename: /lib/modules/3.2.0-4-amd64/kernel/drivers/hid/hid-pl.ko
[09:58:44] <cradek> license: GPL
[09:58:44] <cradek> alias: hid:b0003v00000E8Fp00000003
[09:58:56] <cradek> my system has hid-pl which should load for that id
[09:59:20] <cradek> but the wiki page is hid-logitech
[09:59:30] <cradek> so your device is totally different from the one that people have used successfully
[10:00:12] <jensor> Maybe that is the problem I need a logitech
[10:01:36] <jensor> I didn't realize that it would make a difference. I thought a ps3 joypad would be a standard
[10:02:48] <Mac-Mill> brrr. this garage is cold
[10:03:36] <cradek> does dmesg show hid-pl loading when you plug it in?
[10:03:52] <jensor> I'll see
[10:04:37] <Mac-Mill> space heater. check.
[10:05:12] <cradek> google says pl is pantherlord/greenasia
[10:06:39] <jensor> dmesg acknowledges
[10:06:42] <jensor> [11285.299119] input: MY-POWER CO.,LTD. 2In1 USB Joystick as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.1/usb6/6-2/6-2:1.0/input/input15
[10:07:17] <cradek> promising
[10:07:34] <lunada> hi
[10:07:57] <cradek> hey
[10:08:57] <lunada> So i think i found my issue with the toolchanger..... there was a classicladder program from my old machine in there that was for my coolant system and it used the same number output coil as my toolchange complete pin lol
[10:09:09] <cradek> oops!
[10:09:55] <lunada> i havent tested it yet because my gearmotor for the toolchanger carousel has some stripped teeth and stopped working, but i am pretty certain that is it
[10:10:33] <lunada> also i forgot to add the carousel component to the servo thread.
[10:12:14] <lunada> luckily i found the same gear motor on ebay and ordered it last night
[12:10:39] <MacGalempsy_> well, tuning is going pretty good. but it still has some room for improvements. it seems to come up short by a 10thou on some moves. and when reversing direction its consistently about -5 10thou off
[12:11:42] <MacGalempsy_> however, the following error is pretty good, no error msg at high or low feedrates
[12:14:18] <archivist> backlash?
[12:15:03] <MacGalempsy_> archivist: I tried backlask =.0005 and it no difference
[12:15:16] <MacGalempsy_> it may be my D is a little much
[12:15:30] <MacGalempsy_> ?>
[12:15:49] <archivist> I mean real backlash not your compensation :)
[12:16:32] <archivist> and 1/2 a thou comp on 10 thou error wont make a lot of difference
[12:17:06] <archivist> diagnosis
[12:19:34] <MacGalempsy_> when I used the comp it seemed to get worse
[12:20:50] <MacGalempsy_> but it seems close enough to move on to tuning the a axis and spindle after lunch
[12:23:17] <gregcnc> .005-.010" seems like a lot for that benchman
[12:23:52] <MacGalempsy_> i guess it would be good to mention that on the previous tune (without the caps on the dc transformer, I was actually able to get it to work right, so I guess its the tuning
[12:24:36] <gregcnc> what does following error allow?
[12:25:07] <MacGalempsy_> .1 on the high end and 0.001 on the low end
[12:25:33] <MacGalempsy_> high is 200ipm
[12:25:34] <gregcnc> then how could tuning allow that large an error? huge deadband?
[12:25:51] <MacGalempsy_> deadband = 1e-5
[12:26:18] <gregcnc> check mechanics
[12:28:35] <MacGalempsy_> no error is 0.0001 on movements and 0.0005 on reversing, not .005-
[12:28:56] <MacGalempsy_> sorry try to cook lunch and keep up
[12:29:14] <archivist> at that level stiction comes into play
[12:29:35] <archivist> a thenth is good enough
[12:29:37] <gregcnc> OK
[12:29:45] <gregcnc> i can only read what is typed
[12:29:47] <gregcnc> lol
[12:30:24] <archivist> mind reading ball batteries flat?
[12:30:52] <MacGalempsy_> a ten-thousandth and 5 10thousandths
[12:30:56] <MacGalempsy_> sorry
[12:31:15] <archivist> a gnats cock
[12:31:35] <MacGalempsy_> yeah. lol. thats why im moving forward
[12:31:38] <gregcnc> metric: m, mm, um
[12:32:43] <IchGucksLive> hi
[12:34:09] <Wolf_> metric confuses me
[12:34:17] <Wolf_> http://i.imgur.com/C3QNawS.jpg
[12:35:23] <archivist> have tested it on some j blocks and the surface table
[12:35:25] <MacGalempsy_> heh. base 10 is pretty complex ;)
[12:35:25] <gregcnc> america and some place like jaimaca are the last strong holds of the infernal system
[12:36:27] <Wolf_> well the 1um and 10um on that thing, on a 6 number display...
[12:36:33] <archivist> it amuses me how much metric is being used in the US by US companies
[12:37:09] <gregcnc> much? as in little or lot?
[12:37:30] <MacGalempsy_> if those dang engineers would stop using it, we could phase it out
[12:37:33] <archivist> more than you realise probably, Ford etc
[12:37:59] <gregcnc> globalization will destroy the inchs
[12:38:00] <Wolf_> when all your parts are made in mexico and china
[12:38:10] <MacGalempsy_> all the us oil field stuff is in SI
[12:38:13] <jdh> what globalization
[12:38:26] <archivist> all the china stuff
[12:38:28] <gregcnc> lunch entertainment https://www.instagram.com/p/BQDfqr5jj0m/
[12:38:36] <MacGalempsy_> but I think the biggest reason we keep it is land records
[12:38:38] <jdh> mx parts will cost 30% more
[12:38:42] <gregcnc> maybe trump will tax the mm
[12:39:04] <jdh> are china mm more accurate than china watts?
[12:39:12] <Wolf_> hah, land records are a bitch
[12:39:54] <gregcnc> round surveys to the nearest mm
[12:39:58] <Kevin`> jdh: yes, much more accurate
[12:40:04] <jdh> a score of furlongs from the post?
[12:40:11] <IchGucksLive> jensor does it work with the GAME Joystick
[12:40:32] <Wolf_> last lot we had done at our shop, the deed was in benchs iirc
[12:40:53] <Wolf_> or some odd units
[12:41:27] <archivist> barn is a metric unit!
[12:41:54] <jdh> we have barns
[12:42:59] <Wolf_> might have been in perches
[12:43:17] <IchGucksLive> More Brasin on inches
[12:43:23] <IchGucksLive> Brain
[12:45:07] <IchGucksLive> jdh: today China celebrates NEWYear
[12:47:40] <MacGalempsy_> jensor will definately be the one to help with joypad troubleshooting once he gets his figured out
[12:47:54] <IchGucksLive> Q: someone knowes a DWG-> PDF
[12:48:49] <IchGucksLive> MacGalempsy_: today i did test all 4 Jaypads i got on Wheez and no problem at all
[12:49:18] <IchGucksLive> MacGalempsy_: https://youtu.be/uAKC8B4LcZU FROM Today
[12:49:30] <IchGucksLive> i will do a EN tomorrow
[12:51:37] <jensor__> <IchGucksLive> picking up from yesterday - When less /proc/bus/input/devices didn't identify the joypad. I looked at dmesg and it identified the joypad name as MY-POWER. Then using loadusr -W hal_input MY-POWER allows Axis to start and then Show hal configuration worked perfectly.
[12:51:58] <MacGalempsy_> didnt mean to steal your status IchGucksLive ;)
[12:52:51] <IchGucksLive> jensor Great
[12:52:55] <MacGalempsy_> things are getting better, for sure. just got the replacement gas strut in for the atc. I could barely collapse it to get it on. the old one was totally blown
[12:53:40] <IchGucksLive> jensor__: so did you got movements and action now
[12:54:55] <jensor__> I'm just in process of identifying the pins. But on in show hal config watch I have action
[12:55:25] <IchGucksLive> nice
[12:55:30] <MacGalempsy_> anyone need some smt equip? https://www.thebranfordgroup.com/dnn3/Auctions/SalesDetail/tabid/218/ct/gallery/SaleID/836/Default.aspx
[12:55:55] <IchGucksLive> jensor__: best is to do pinsearch outside the Mashine Hurrun only
[12:56:03] <jensor__> At least I'm at the point where I can begin to make connections.
[12:56:33] <IchGucksLive> jensor__: make a mux 8 not 4
[12:56:53] <IchGucksLive> look at the VID
[12:57:36] <jensor__> Not familiar with doing Machine halrun outside of Axis GUI
[12:58:01] <jensor__> I will watch videomagain
[12:58:19] <MacGalempsy_> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gui/halui.html
[12:58:20] <jensor__> video again
[12:58:57] <MacGalempsy_> thats not quite right. hold on.
[12:59:54] <IchGucksLive> jensor__: close linuxcnc open terminal type halrun
[13:00:22] <IchGucksLive> jensor__: type loadusr -W hal_input MY-POWER
[13:00:26] <MacGalempsy_> yeah. there is a manual page on it, and it tells how to find pins, too
[13:00:39] <IchGucksLive> type loadusr halshow
[13:00:57] <MacGalempsy_> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/hal/basic-hal.html
[13:01:50] <MacGalempsy_> in the new version, does wrapped_rotary=1 go under the joint section or the axis section of the ini?
[13:02:07] <MacGalempsy_> nm
[13:03:23] <jensor__> Ok, got halshow up in terminal okay, thanks
[13:03:51] <IchGucksLive> NOW you can gedit the postgui beside
[13:04:02] <IchGucksLive> and got the names
[13:07:58] <IchGucksLive> jensor__: some inspiration http://pastebin.com/AzycXQvc
[13:12:53] <jensor__> Thanks
[13:13:31] <jensor__> why make mux 8 instead of 4?
[13:16:36] <IchGucksLive> jensor__: you got 4 Buttons at the Rigt controller
[13:16:41] <IchGucksLive> so use them
[13:16:45] <IchGucksLive> 4 speeds
[13:17:04] <jensor__> ok
[13:17:06] <IchGucksLive> as you need a ZERO
[13:17:12] <IchGucksLive> you need more then 4
[13:17:25] <jensor__> i see
[13:17:43] <IchGucksLive> Oh qcad can do dwg2pdf
[13:17:53] <IchGucksLive> 15Sec wait for eatch file
[13:18:19] <IchGucksLive> for i in *.dwg; do [ ! -f "$i" ] && continue; ../dwg2pdf -k -a -paper=A4 -fs KochiMincho.cxf NormalLatin2.cxf "$i"; done
[13:20:06] <jymmm> IchGucksLive: What's "*.cxf" ?
[13:20:21] <IchGucksLive> the FONT
[13:20:49] <IchGucksLive> http://www.ribbonsoft.com/en/qcad-documentation/qcad-command-line-tools
[13:20:59] <jymmm> IchGucksLive: So, what does that script do, change the font face then create a pdf ?
[13:21:30] <IchGucksLive> yes it conferts the 100 files DWG -> PDF
[13:21:40] <IchGucksLive> using this Fonts
[13:22:08] <jymmm> Oh " -fs, -font-substitution FONT1 FONT2"
[13:22:32] <IchGucksLive> the files come from PRO/E
[13:22:41] <IchGucksLive> so i need to do it
[13:22:53] <IchGucksLive> out of qcad or Autocad it workes without
[13:23:15] <jymmm> But it's dwg, shouldn't it be "universal" ?
[13:23:22] <jymmm> or is that dxf?
[13:23:48] <IchGucksLive> i need the files in a DOC for the University
[13:23:55] <IchGucksLive> they got a real paperset
[13:24:01] <IchGucksLive> for mashining
[13:24:33] <jymmm> I hope you meant PDF, cause .doc / .docx is icky for oh so many reasons
[13:25:07] <IchGucksLive> Documentation PDF
[13:25:16] <jymmm> good =)
[13:25:25] <IchGucksLive> so i got all Schematics and drawings inside
[13:25:43] <IchGucksLive> also order placements
[13:25:53] <IchGucksLive> the Goverment is requirering this
[13:26:20] <jymmm> You should add spy-vs-spy to the borders =)
[13:26:44] <IchGucksLive> no i buld a Wall :O
[13:27:46] <IchGucksLive> the University master CEO went looking in the Craftsman school on open Door Day and was upset over the mashines they purchased and he got
[13:27:50] <roycroft> dfx is universal
[13:28:02] <roycroft> dwg is a proprietary autodesk format that they will not disclose to anyone
[13:28:10] <roycroft> so nobody uses it but autodesk
[13:28:14] <roycroft> and the whole rest of the world
[13:28:30] <jdh> except everyone has a dwg convert
[13:28:31] <IchGucksLive> 3dsmax is the weardest
[13:28:39] <roycroft> see above, jdh
[13:29:00] <IchGucksLive> the dwg can do scaling dxf wont print the correct Values
[13:29:16] <IchGucksLive> offen parts go wrong on that
[13:29:35] <IchGucksLive> as you do 2:1 and not correct sent
[13:29:44] <IchGucksLive> or opend on SOLID
[13:29:44] <jymmm> IchGucksLive: Look at the bottom-right corner to see what I mean... https://connectere.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/spy-vs-spy-january-1971-prohias-pg2.jpg
[13:30:14] <roycroft> dfx is a semi-portable format that does not generally allow you to transparently exchange files and work with them on disparate platforms
[13:30:22] <IchGucksLive> im off Gn8
[13:30:34] <roycroft> it does save much of the work migrating from one platform to another though
[14:59:20] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: http://midwestmetalwarehouse.com just discovered, low prices but up near Milwaukee
[15:00:16] <CaptHindsight> heh their calculator would not let me spec 22ga sheet 30 x 54, it had to be 54 x 30 :)
[15:25:15] <gregcnc> capthindsight thanks, I think I ran into them looking from some TGP steel a couple years ago
[15:45:09] <andypugh> Interesting and slightly strange to listen to: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NG-LATBZNBs
[15:52:32] <XXCoder> some classic joke https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/88/72/49/8872492a442c8f2e6d7e235a4f8666ea.jpg
[16:09:19] <Mac-Mill> anyone know how to get the spindle to show up in "calibration"?
[16:09:30] <cradek> it doesn't
[16:10:00] <Mac-Mill> trying to pid tune the vfd in torque mode and trying to save some time closing and opening everything
[16:10:39] <Mac-Mill> is it possible to reset linuxcnc once the ini has been changed?
[16:10:39] <cradek> doesn't it have a velocity mode? pid doesn't work very well on spindles.
[16:11:12] <Mac-Mill> it does have velocity mode built into the vfd, but I have had it stall out
[16:11:49] <Mac-Mill> plus I cannot manually jog the spindle when it is in velocity mode
[16:14:56] <andypugh> cradek: PID should work if you concentrate on FF0 and Igain, and largely ignore the rest.
[16:15:59] <andypugh> Mac-Mill: You may not be able to claibrate, but that doesn’t mean you can’t change the values on a live system.
[16:16:10] <andypugh> Open a terminla and type “halcmd -kf”
[16:16:18] <Mac-Mill> brb have to reboot
[16:16:32] <andypugh> Then you can just “setp pid.0.PGain 10000” and so on.
[16:16:45] <andypugh> When youa re happy, “show pin” and make notes of the numbers.
[16:17:08] <andypugh> How rude!
[16:17:48] <Tom_L> well he did warn ya
[16:18:29] <andypugh> I was busy typing, and when I am typing, I look at the keyboard (largely)
[16:19:28] <Tom_L> heh
[16:19:40] <Tom_L> you haven't memorized em yet?
[16:19:57] <Tom_L> i hate typing on a surface keyboard..
[16:20:16] <Tom_L> i _do_ have to look then
[16:20:34] <andypugh> I have a real keyboard. And I can type when looking at the screen. I just tried it.
[16:20:49] <andypugh> I just don’t
[16:21:18] <Nick-Shop> <andypugh>Should I be seeing something on spindle-rpm when spindle is going?
[16:21:34] <andypugh> Let me paste what I said earlier
[16:21:42] <andypugh> Open a terminla and type “halcmd -kf”
[16:21:46] <Tom_L> zlog
[16:21:48] <andypugh> Then you can just “setp pid.0.PGain 10000” and so on.
[16:21:49] <andypugh> [9:47pm] andypugh: When youa re happy, “show pin” and make notes of the
[16:22:02] <andypugh> numbers
[16:22:14] <srdc> I'm in the middle of doing an M6 Remap ... and it keeps telling me that "Named parameter <_ini[atc]z_up> is not defined" (or whatever variable it hits first). I have a section in my ini file titled [atc] and I have a "Z_UP = 0" statement in it...any ideas what I'm missing?
[16:22:43] <andypugh> srdc: Look in the Remap docs for “optional interpreter fatures”
[16:22:50] <andypugh> You need to enable INI file access
[16:23:16] <srdc> andypugh: Ahhh...that's what I was missing
[16:23:28] <srdc> I knew I'd seen something about it, but then couldn't find it in the docs again.
[16:23:34] <srdc> Thanks!
[16:23:43] <andypugh> It’s hidden in a daft placs
[16:24:35] <andypugh> seb_kuzminsky: How do you feel about having INI access on by default?
[16:24:45] <srdc> Well, I guess the doc writers oughtta have their pay docked ;-)
[16:25:01] <srdc> Quick question ... when it says "enable #<_ini[section]name> read only variables: 4"
[16:25:14] <srdc> Nevermind
[16:25:18] <srdc> I just answered my own Q
[16:25:36] <andypugh> It’s a bitmask, if that helps?
[16:25:56] <srdc> Yep. I thought it was a string.
[16:26:04] <srdc> Then I just realised I could type FEATURES = 8
[16:26:08] <srdc> Duh.
[16:27:41] <Nick-Shop> halcmd -kf returns halcmd: won't take -kf
[16:29:42] <Mac-Mill> ok thanks. jts spindle tutorial says increase ff0 until the rpm is stable, then increase i until its at the commanded rpm
[16:30:38] <andypugh> I think it should be “set FF0 so the speed is correct at a mid-point speed, then set I so that it corrects at high and low speed
[16:30:55] <andypugh> ff0 should never be unstable.
[16:32:50] <andypugh> Nick-Shop: Something strange there, it should either work, or give “RTAPI: ERROR: could not open shared memory (No such file or directory)” if realtime isn’t set up. (I just tested)
[16:37:01] <seb_kuzminsky> i'm generally opposed to optional features
[16:37:32] <seb_kuzminsky> either make it good enough and well-tested and -documented enough that we can always turn it on, or leave it in a feature branch until it gets there
[16:37:36] <seb_kuzminsky> that's my opinion
[16:37:36] <Nick-Shop> There's been something strange with this whole setup on that machine
[16:38:22] <seb_kuzminsky> i don't know the state of ini access from gcode, so i don't have an opinion on whether it's ready for always-on inclusion
[16:38:29] <Nick-Shop> I have the spindle running but spindle-revs stays at 0
[16:38:43] <srdc> andypugh: OK, I must have misunderstood something.
[16:38:49] <srdc> I assumed bitmask was 00000
[16:38:54] <srdc> so to get value of 4
[16:39:15] <srdc> I set FEATURES = 00100
[16:39:15] <Deejay> gn8
[16:40:05] <srdc> But it's still throwing the same error
[16:40:20] <Nick-Shop> I got the scope out of XY mode and the resolvers check OK. I have CSS, G95 and I can single point a a thread.
[16:40:28] <andypugh> srdc: Ah, no, INI only undertands decimal numbers. You probably want 12
[16:41:02] <srdc> Oh, hal+ini?
[16:41:07] <Nick-Shop> Not getting a reading on anything to get a speed meter going
[16:41:39] <andypugh> srdc: Can you re-phrase that question in the form of a question?
[16:42:07] <srdc> You're suggesting it should be 12 for enable hal (8) + enable ini (4) --> FEATURES = 12?
[16:42:12] <Nick-Shop> Heres the post of my spindle section http://pastebin.ca/3763368
[16:42:14] <srdc> I was just confirming that's where you got 12
[16:42:24] <andypugh> Nick-Shop: You should have a pretty good velocity ouput on a resolver HAL pin.
[16:42:59] <andypugh> srdc: If that was the question, yes. If you were asking if you need to edit the HAL and the INI files, then no.
[16:43:14] <srdc> That was the question. Gotcha. Details!
[16:43:17] <srdc> Thanks again!
[16:43:18] <Nick-Shop> I'll go check
[16:43:27] <srdc> Nick-Shop: what machine are you working on?
[16:45:53] <Nick-Shop> Hardinge HCNC
[16:47:08] <Nick-Shop> m3 s1000 gives a resolver velcity around 15 and bounces around - scale problem??
[16:53:49] <andypugh> That’s pretty close to correct
[16:54:12] <andypugh> You would expect 16.666 revs per second.
[17:03:49] <Nick-Shop> hand held tach s1000 gives 917 rpm need to tweak the scale a little. Had to do this by hand as there's an unknown ratio change between motor and spindle.
[17:05:04] <Nick-Shop> what signal do I tell the speed meter to look at
[17:06:14] <andypugh> You probably need to pass the reolver..velocity through a scale component to multiply it by 60.
[17:08:43] <Nick-Shop> you just lost me is there anyting in that post for me to look at?
[17:10:28] <andypugh> Well, you have scale.1 set to 60, and also mult2.0 set to multiply by 60.
[17:12:38] <andypugh> But you have connected up mul2.0 to the signal, and added scale.1 to a thread. You need to pick one or the other, and add the chosen one to a thread, and connect it.
[17:16:20] <Nick-Shop> what line #'s am I changing? Been a long week
[17:17:38] <andypugh> It’s not that simple.
[17:19:19] <Nick-Shop> of course not - this has been painful almost every step :-(
[17:19:47] <andypugh> You seem to have two different ways of multilpying the speed by 60 set up, and neither is _quite_ all there.
[17:20:19] <andypugh> Do you actually understand HAL yet?
[17:20:57] <Nick-Shop> only some of it
[17:21:37] <Nick-Shop> I've learned a lot but have a lot to go
[17:22:26] <andypugh> Can you explain the spindle speed limits?
[17:25:08] <Nick-Shop> Not really other than It's a 3000 rpm motor that I have limited to 2500. It's using a HI-AK pwm amp.
[17:27:00] <Nick-Shop> It's using a 10 v signal and the motor has a tach going back to the amp.
[17:27:29] <Nick-Shop> I have this working with Pico cards on another machine
[17:30:25] <andypugh> Do you need the speed limit?
[17:30:40] <Nick-Shop> The motor pulley is different from the spindle pulley and Ican't get to the spindle to measure ir - that's why I had to play with the scale to correct the RPM's which I just found I have more to do
[17:31:13] <Nick-Shop> probably should have it for safety with CSS
[17:31:40] <andypugh> Nick-Shop: http://pastebin.ca/3763389
[17:31:54] <andypugh> CSS has it’s own limit (D-word)
[17:32:20] <andypugh> Ignore that paste, I missed something
[17:33:26] <Nick-Shop> If someone forgets to put it in?
[17:33:40] <Nick-Shop> OK
[17:35:51] <andypugh> Try http://pastebin.ca/3763391
[17:36:15] <andypugh> I mainly deleted stuff
[17:36:44] <andypugh> Which hopefully makes is clearer?
[17:39:47] <Nick-Shop> Thanks - I'll take this over to the machine and see how it works. The machine is now about 12' from this computer. I will certainly look this over and learn what I can from it. Thanks for your time and help.
[17:51:11] <Nick-Shop> Error startup limit.0.out line 27 of your post
[17:51:15] <pink_vampire> I'm looking for 45 deg, chamfer bit for steel / aluminum.
[17:51:54] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ancuYECRGN8 really enjoyable video on usa states, faceoids. though couple annoying ads.
[17:58:37] <Nick-Shop> <andypugh> Error startup limit.0.out line 27 of your post
[18:02:40] <Loetmichel> oh, how obnoxius... just googled about the "sugar in the tank" myth. Conclusion: doesent work beacuse sugar isnt soluble in petrol. But while reading forums i stumbled upon a gem: "dont do that, just mix some petroleum jelley with pure capsaicin and smear it on the bottom of the toilet door handle. MUCH more fun than sugar in the tank"... i think someone REALLY hates his co-workers there ;)
[18:04:39] <lunada> sugar in the tank works if you clog the fuel filter and burn a hole in your pistons from running lean
[18:04:56] <lunada> happened to a friend in his diesel
[18:06:31] <Loetmichel> lunada: and the friend didnt notice the power loss at all?
[18:06:55] <Loetmichel> btw: you cant run a (non turbocharged) diesel "lean"
[18:07:01] <lunada> didnt ask
[18:07:22] <lunada> it was a turbocharged cummins
[18:07:39] <Wolf_> people use non-turbo diesel?
[18:07:58] <Loetmichel> wolf: i used two for wuite a time
[18:08:01] <Loetmichel> quite
[18:08:04] <Loetmichel> as an RV
[18:08:18] <Loetmichel> ... only 17.5 liters natural aspirated V12 tho
[18:08:50] <Wolf_> yeah I was kidding, but all of my trucks/car have turbo, my older bobcat is the only w/out turbo
[18:09:01] <lunada> sounds inefficient
[18:09:24] <lunada> my buddy had a non turbo diesel chevy chevette
[18:09:54] <lunada> drove it for at least 10 years that i know of.
[18:10:15] <lunada> 54hp.... slowest car in the world i would imagine
[18:10:35] <Loetmichel> lunada: it IS inefficient.
[18:10:37] <Wolf_> lol
[18:10:39] <lunada> at least in the US
[18:10:50] <Loetmichel> but military cars didnt look much at efficiency back in the days.
[18:11:21] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=16324
[18:11:26] <Loetmichel> thats an RV...
[18:11:28] <sector_0> do the TB6600 boards have built in optocouplers?
[18:11:28] <Loetmichel> ;.)
[18:11:43] <Loetmichel> sector_0: depends on which ones you get
[18:11:44] <Loetmichel> most have
[18:12:11] <Wolf_> Loetmichel: nice.. I want one lol
[18:12:53] <lunada> that's a beast of an rv.... looks like a t5 ready to race the dakar ralley
[18:13:09] <lunada> rally*
[18:13:12] <Loetmichel> we were aske a few times if we do dakar
[18:13:23] <Loetmichel> but that was because of the drivers driving habit ;)
[18:13:40] <Loetmichel> Wolf_: actually we had two:
[18:13:41] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=16326
[18:13:48] <Wolf_> hah
[18:14:48] <lunada> i'm building my first turbo car right now
[18:15:26] <Wolf_> see lot of those trucks in rallye breslau
[18:15:28] <andypugh> Nick-Shop: Well, that’s a shame, but then I did edit it from memory in the pastebin interface. You should be impressed that it got as far as line 27
[18:15:41] <andypugh> So, what was the error?
[18:16:04] <Loetmichel> Wolf_: that may be because they were made by Tatra, a czech company
[18:16:16] <Loetmichel> for the eastern block military
[18:16:36] <Wolf_> that would expain it lol
[18:17:02] <Wolf_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPxk972UD_Q I want that recovery truck lol
[18:17:41] <Loetmichel> were cheap as fu** when we needed some new trucks because at that time eastern germany merged to western germany and the west german army didnt know what to do with them, so they sold it
[18:17:58] <sector_0> Loetmichel, mine looks like this
[18:17:58] <sector_0> http://diyprojects.eu/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/TB6600-input-output-diagram.jpg
[18:18:20] <Loetmichel> Wolf_: THATS what the western german military used instead ;)
[18:19:57] <Loetmichel> sector_0: no coupbers visible there but they couldbe underneath the heatsink
[18:20:13] <Loetmichel> couplers
[18:22:16] <sector_0> oh yeah they do
[18:22:40] <sector_0> just found the order history...the description says they do
[18:22:49] <andypugh> Loetmichel: Nice toy. A friend just bought an old Gaz 4x4 truck, but I think you win.
[18:23:23] <Loetmichel> was fun to explore africa in them
[18:23:27] <Loetmichel> while it lasted
[18:23:38] <andypugh> This used to be on Eurosport, but not any more: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIwoqwSCKy4
[18:23:41] <Nick-Shop> andypugh> limit.0.out line doesn't exist
[18:24:09] <Loetmichel> sadly i dont have the time or the money to go on 8 weeks of vacation a year since i married.
[18:25:58] <Loetmichel> andypugh: nice view of them
[18:26:04] <Loetmichel> we had tatra 813 tho
[18:26:18] <Loetmichel> and yes, they screamed the same way
[18:26:21] <Loetmichel> and smoked ;)
[18:28:10] <Loetmichel> these things are absolutely insane climbers
[18:28:33] <andypugh> Don’t ask me why, but the Tatras reminded me of this (to me, hilarous) T-shirt: http://fashionablygeek.com/t-shirts/at-at-suffers-the-cone-of-shame-t-shirt/
[18:37:56] <Nick-Shop> <andypugh> Started to comment out lines and the errors keep going. Have to get back to it tomorrow. taking the wife out for dinner:-)
[18:38:38] <andypugh> Gah! Why do folk think that “commenting out” lines will help?
[18:39:40] <andypugh> JT-Shop: You ride bikes? Ever seen this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0ADh_eCvQI
[18:39:43] <XXCoder> that was you apparently?
[18:44:17] <jymmm> andypugh: I do that AND wash the dishes at the same time
[18:45:54] <JT-Shop> yes bikes off all kinds
[18:46:11] <JT-Shop> trials are cool
[18:51:16] <jymmm> andypugh: that's pretty cool
[18:51:49] <andypugh> I ride bikes. I have no idea how they make them do that
[18:52:18] <jymmm> I had never seen that type of frame before
[18:55:49] <lunada> what do you guys ride?
[18:56:38] <XXCoder> ford focus 2012
[18:57:16] <lunada> that's a weird sounding bike!
[18:57:22] <XXCoder> yep heh
[18:57:43] <XXCoder> I havent rode my bicycle for years now sadly
[18:57:54] <Tom_L> all bottom end torque and low gears
[18:57:58] <XXCoder> its gear system is shot and I just dont have time
[18:59:39] <andypugh> lunada: I have a 2004 Yamaha R1 with 110, 000 miles on it, a GasGas EC200 and a 1921 Ner-a-Car
[19:00:00] <lunada> i only know what one of those are lol
[19:00:10] <andypugh> Which one?
[19:00:14] <lunada> r1
[19:00:35] <lunada> thats decent mileage for an r1
[19:00:43] <andypugh> http://moto.zombdrive.com/images/gas-gas-ec-200-sixdays-6.jpg
[19:01:21] <andypugh> https://goo.gl/photos/ncprKAXhH6vfNcVEA
[19:01:45] <andypugh> That’s not my GasGas. That is my Ner-a-Car
[19:02:08] <lunada> that ner a car is trippy. looks like it would be interesting to ride
[19:02:28] <lunada> i have a harley fatboy
[19:02:38] <andypugh> The GasGas and the Ner-a-Car are both 200cc single cylinder 2-stroke engines. One makes 2.25hp, one makes 37hp.
[19:02:47] <lunada> lol
[19:03:08] <lunada> the gasgas looks decent, ohlins shock comes stock?
[19:03:35] <andypugh> Mine has it, but I think it was an option.
[19:03:57] <lunada> ah they make trials bikes
[19:04:02] <andypugh> It’s a very competent bike. A friend bought it to race, and sold it to me when he replaced it.
[19:04:10] <lunada> nice
[19:04:24] <lunada> i'm looking to pick up a dirtbike soon.... i miss riding
[19:04:36] <lunada> probably a crf450x
[19:05:01] <XXCoder> ah bikes :P last time I rode one was when I was around 10? lol 30 years ago
[19:05:26] <lunada> i had a crf450r which i loved, but you can only ride the r's for part of the year in my state, where you can ride an x all year round
[19:05:33] <andypugh> I like the little GasGas. It’s not at all slow, and I can pick it up. As in, literally, pick it off the ground and put it down somewhere more useful.
[19:05:51] <lunada> ha.
[19:06:12] <lunada> i cant do that with my harley, that's for sure
[19:08:23] <lunada> i have a yamaha bobber i built years ago that i need to finish.
[19:08:33] <andypugh> The GasGas is very reliable. You can rely on something falling off, you can rely on it not being anything important.
[19:08:39] <lunada> i need to make one more bracket for it and then i can paint and assemble it
[19:08:52] <lunada> lol
[19:09:31] <lunada> im not sure if they sell those here
[19:12:47] <andypugh> They seem to: http://www.gasgas.com/en/dealers.html
[19:13:15] <sync_> andypugh: I'm really thinking about an ec300e
[19:14:32] <andypugh> I have tried an EC300. It was very nice. The EC200 and EC300 work well, the EC250 I rode seemed a bit of a bad balance.
[19:15:21] <andypugh> (The EC200 does actually feel like a perfect match of engine to chassis, I think the 250 is the same frame but the engine isn’t quite such a good match)
[19:15:55] <sync_> yeah I rode the 200, it's nice but feels underpowered to me
[19:16:10] <sync_> but I'm not so sure if I want a carbed bike again
[19:16:16] <andypugh> I giess that depends on where you are riding.
[19:16:43] <andypugh> I think I will concede a carb to not have to carry a battery
[19:17:11] <sync_> all the 2017 models have e start anyway
[19:17:15] <sync_> so they have to have a battery
[19:17:20] <andypugh> I mainly mess about in the welsh forests, you don’t need a huge amount of power there.
[19:17:22] <sync_> but I put lifepo in everything anyway
[19:19:17] <sync_> well, I have a fe450 and a cr500
[19:20:36] <andypugh> I did this event, but I am not in the video: https://youtu.be/-dNhv8stOZs?t=1m42s
[19:21:32] <alex___> hello all, anyone has any information about incremental jogging in world mode (non trivial kinematics)?
[19:22:13] <alex___> in joint mode, everything works ok but as soon as i switch to world mode, the incremental jog selection box becomes gray
[19:23:23] <andypugh> Which version of linuxCNC?
[19:23:29] <sync_> doesn't look like more power would hurt
[19:23:30] <alex___> 2.7.8
[19:23:40] <andypugh> It works in 2,8 I believe
[19:23:58] <alex___> ok, i will give it a try upgrading to 2.8
[19:24:36] <pink_vampire> Hi
[19:24:45] <alex___> thanks andy
[19:25:00] <XXCoder> hey pink
[19:25:05] <pink_vampire> hi XXCoder
[19:25:45] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: did you got the spindle?
[19:26:16] <XXCoder> yep
[19:26:19] <sync_> that looks like a fun enduro andypugh
[19:26:22] <XXCoder> havent wired anything yet
[19:26:55] <andypugh> sync_: It was great, and bizarrely it all looks really familar still.
[19:27:07] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: ok.. we have time :)
[19:28:15] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: do you work on any project right now?
[19:28:16] <sync_> yeah he could use some power down the back road
[19:28:23] <XXCoder> not currently
[19:28:50] <gregcnc> pink did you turn more parts in the mill?
[19:29:46] <pink_vampire> no.. but I did some changes to the post processor.
[19:29:51] <sync_> what I dislike about the 450 is that it is heavy
[19:31:02] <TurBoss> Hi
[19:31:17] <TurBoss> I have a old computer with one core
[19:31:36] <pink_vampire> my plastic probe start to feel a bit un accurate, I thing after about 2 years with it the plastic start to slip on the main shaft. (it's just press fit)
[19:31:42] <TurBoss> isolcpus is not for single cpu computer right?
[19:32:02] <XXCoder> pink_vampire: isnt there a way to test repeatability?
[19:32:07] <andypugh> TurBoss: No, it won’t do anything
[19:32:19] <TurBoss> Thanks
[19:32:23] <XXCoder> marlin for 3d printing firmware has gcode to do that but I got no idea if linuxcnc has it
[19:33:26] <TurBoss> ith gives good latency 15000 max
[19:33:31] <TurBoss> 3k min
[19:33:36] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: it's good for large parts. but for small stuff (1mm or less) I can see it off center a bit. and the calibration screws not help much.
[19:33:39] <XXCoder> what it basically does is just touch off repeatvely then calculate varancy
[19:35:43] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: if I try to find a center of 1mm rod (for cross hole) it is almost impossible do get it right with the probe right now (when it wan new, it was much more accurate)
[19:35:55] <XXCoder> is it repairable?
[19:36:49] <pink_vampire> not much I have some play between the shaft and the plastic rings that it press in to them.
[19:37:04] <pink_vampire> it's a time to a metal one.
[19:37:48] <andypugh> http://www.wildhorse-innovations.com/?_a=viewProd&productId=80 is cheap-ish
[19:39:09] <pink_vampire> andypugh: wayyyy to big, and I don't like the way it get calibrated.
[19:39:26] <Wolf_> $100 isn’t bad, close to what I have in to my renishaw
[19:39:31] <XXCoder> for me its opposite problem its too long lol
[19:39:48] <andypugh> pink_vampire: That’s _big_?
[19:40:00] <XXCoder> her machine is pretty small
[19:40:01] <pink_vampire> yes.
[19:40:06] <sync_> I wonder why they did not go with regular renishaw styli
[19:40:17] <sync_> nah, it is plenty small for your machine
[19:40:20] <pink_vampire> it's not elegant.
[19:40:25] <sync_> paint it pink
[19:40:34] <andypugh> What would you call mine? https://goo.gl/photos/ApcYv22N2rn3pzFK6
[19:40:51] <pink_vampire> O_o
[19:40:52] <XXCoder> way too flipping long lol
[19:41:06] <XXCoder> my machine has only 3 inch clearance lol
[19:41:12] <andypugh> Yeah, I have a shorter stylus on it now
[19:41:14] <TurBoss> bye
[19:41:39] <pink_vampire> unnecessary large
[19:42:27] <andypugh> Can I quote you on that? (out if context) ?
[19:42:55] <Wolf_> lol
[19:43:24] <pink_vampire> my probe http://i.imgur.com/yolDisB.png
[19:44:08] <andypugh> I think that is about the same size as the Wildhorse one
[19:44:24] <pink_vampire> andypugh: see pm
[19:44:39] <Wolf_> my renishaw looks to be about the same size
[19:45:37] <sync_> yours is also unnecessarily large
[19:45:49] <Wolf_> no, mill is too small
[19:47:32] <pink_vampire> I want the probe to be small cute and elegant.
[19:47:54] <XXCoder> I plan to 3d print mine
[19:47:59] <XXCoder> I dont need that much accuracy
[19:48:31] <sync_> Wolf_: I mean pink_vampires probe
[19:48:36] <andypugh> You do seem to have used very nearly a full set of step-blocks there.
[19:49:10] <Wolf_> sync_: my MP1s is kinda big for a X2 mill lol
[19:49:40] <sync_> yeah
[19:49:47] <sync_> get a larger mill :D
[19:50:01] <andypugh> My MP3 is definitely bigger than I need or want. But it was cheap on eBay, and the picture had no scale.
[19:50:20] <gregcnc> https://youtu.be/KOew0RzdaYE?t=1m57s how big is a 2 Euro coin
[19:50:26] <XXCoder> probe too big? get bigger mill. probe now too small? get bigger probe. repeat forever ;)
[19:50:35] <andypugh> Top Tip! “Renshaw” probes get far fewer bidders than “Renishaw” probes. :-)
[19:50:49] <Wolf_> yeah lol
[19:51:24] <andypugh> gregcnc: You are assuming the guy might have super-small or super-large hands?
[19:51:28] <archivist> TP20 for small and cute probes
[19:51:35] <Wolf_> ^
[19:51:46] <archivist> LP2 for nice size
[19:51:48] <gregcnc> well it's possible
[19:51:49] <pink_vampire> the TP20 is just 13mm diameter. this is cute!
[19:51:49] <XXCoder> andypugh: heh you keep deleting video :P
[19:52:21] <andypugh> yeah, it was bady out of focus.
[19:52:41] <XXCoder> half of time I see email, oh look video was deleted LOL
[19:52:59] <gregcnc> prints on the website http://www.robocnc.nl/?p=1699
[19:53:14] <pink_vampire> archivist: do you have an idea how do to drill a cross hole in very small shaft? (1mm dia)
[19:53:33] <roycroft> aim carefully
[19:53:35] <archivist> carefully
[19:53:36] <gregcnc> Ø30 x 25 body
[19:53:56] <Wolf_> andypugh: I know what you mean about buying things with no idea of scale, I had that with the Trimos height gauge I got this week
[19:54:12] <Wolf_> didnt look very big in the auction photos
[19:54:25] <gregcnc> oh how big was that harmnoic drive w motor?
[19:54:27] <pink_vampire> I want to drill 0.5 mm hole in 1 mm shaft.
[19:54:46] <Wolf_> gregcnc: email back said 8” dia, 21” overall
[19:55:09] <gregcnc> about what I guessed
[19:55:11] <XXCoder> https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:721620
[19:55:11] <archivist> not much shaft left at .5mm
[19:55:48] <pink_vampire> I have 0.25 mm each side.
[19:56:03] <Wolf_> gregcnc: yeah everyone was telling me that its too big for building a 4th lol
[19:56:14] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: this is crazy large.
[19:56:23] <andypugh> Wolf: I had a surpirise when I bought a laser printer and the delivery guy said he couldn’t get the pallet up the path. Came home to: https://goo.gl/photos/r7Kufo2z8aDcGgDi6
[19:56:29] <XXCoder> diameter is large yes. but its short
[19:56:47] <XXCoder> my cnc router has very short height so length is more important
[19:56:50] <Wolf_> andypugh: we talked about that one already =)
[19:57:13] <XXCoder> andy ya remember that nightmare of a picture
[19:57:38] <XXCoder> trying to push it down fancy stone path jeez
[19:58:24] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: you need that one for you router http://i.imgur.com/dbbo2k7.png it is even smaller them the TP20.
[19:58:52] <XXCoder> I suppose
[19:59:23] <pink_vampire> but you have to make it form none conductive material.
[20:02:47] <archivist> cross drilling does go wrong, start the hole with a dimple and then rotate the shaft so drill goes through the centre line, so a two stage drill
[20:03:14] <Wolf_> or build a drilling jig with a drill bushing
[20:03:42] <Wolf_> thats what I use when drilling RC heli main shafts
[20:03:42] <archivist> and use a stubby drill
[20:04:09] <andypugh> Is it legal to feed CO into my neighbours house to that they don’t notice when I kill their power to turn off their noisy central heating pump bolted to the party-wall?
[20:04:11] <Wolf_> straight 2 flute carbide drill
[20:04:42] <pink_vampire> I'm talking about 0.5mm carabide drill.
[20:05:02] <Wolf_> the Trimos… http://i.imgur.com/4bhtrwA.jpg was wtf moment when I saw it during pickup at the auction
[20:05:46] <pink_vampire> Wolf_: I like your organic surface plate.
[20:05:54] <andypugh> Well, it certainly does the “height” part of “height gauge”
[20:06:05] <Wolf_> pink_vampire: thx pink :P
[20:06:13] <XXCoder> heh
[20:06:19] <pink_vampire> what kind of rails it use?
[20:06:27] <XXCoder> .01" precision Surface, class Z
[20:06:28] <Wolf_> what?
[20:06:50] <XXCoder> that looks like usual extrrusion like 8020
[20:06:53] <Wolf_> the height gauge? looks like ground plate
[20:07:04] <Wolf_> thats actually sitting on a desk right now
[20:07:24] <Wolf_> big surface plate is still sitting in the back of my car
[20:07:57] <XXCoder> I know, was joking :)
[20:08:05] <pink_vampire> yes, what kind of rails the height gauge use? dovetail? H rails? etc..
[20:08:24] <gregcnc> that's a nice height gage, I need a digital one
[20:08:41] <Wolf_> http://i.imgur.com/YzNUT65.jpg you can kinda see the rails here
[20:09:14] <gregcnc> working?
[20:09:33] <pink_vampire> it is just ground edge with ball bearings O_O
[20:09:35] <Wolf_> http://i.imgur.com/F1gHI66.jpg looks to be
[20:10:24] <sync_> there is nothing wrong with that
[20:12:51] <andypugh> Hmm, I just realised, that photo of my printer was ironic. As I am going to have to go to Staples to print some stuff tomorrow, given that the printer in question is now no longer functional.
[20:13:14] <Wolf_> pink_vampire: yeah, that thing is pretty simple, just a cast column, counter weight attached with a metal band that also works as a cover for the thing it uses to read the height
[20:13:20] <gregcnc> that prineter looks gigantic btw
[20:13:58] <andypugh> I cut off the cams that lifted the fuser rollers off the heated drum, because that whole system was not working. And now the roller has a dent and won’t feed.
[20:14:34] <andypugh> I will probably dismantle it for motors and such, and throw it away.
[20:14:52] <andypugh> I can then allocate that corner to a nice big 3D printer.
[20:14:54] <gregcnc> this trimos has air bearings or what? http://tinyurl.com/hr2ac9a
[20:15:07] <pink_vampire> Wolf_: now you have to use it in a temperature controlled environment, other wise you will get false reading.
[20:15:28] <Wolf_> yup mine has that as well, its for moving it around
[20:15:33] <gregcnc> oh
[20:15:43] <gregcnc> that did come to mind
[20:16:16] <Wolf_> http://i.imgur.com/lF1tZTG.jpg http://i.imgur.com/ryYthB3.jpg
[20:16:24] <pink_vampire> what type of encoder it use?
[20:16:38] <pink_vampire> it is a linear encoder?
[20:16:50] <Wolf_> I have no idea, looks like copper pcb behind the metal band
[20:17:08] <XXCoder> all shops I ever visited had temperate controlled room for QA
[20:17:14] <XXCoder> including one I work at now
[20:17:39] <XXCoder> funny how it changes though year, in summer room feels darn cold, and in winter warm
[20:17:47] <Wolf_> pink_vampire: I’m aware of that, thats why I haven’t had the plates checked yet
[20:18:17] <pink_vampire> Wolf_: sounds like a capacitive or inductive one. like the digital caliper use.
[20:19:18] <Wolf_> pink_vampire: I think so, I haven’t been able to find much info on it
[20:20:06] <pink_vampire> if it work, don't fix it.
[20:20:16] <Wolf_> pretty much lol
[20:20:48] <Wolf_> I need to kick a email out to flowler and see if I can get manuals for it
[20:23:06] <pink_vampire> I try to call sears to get the manual for my power hacksaw. and it was the funniest phone call I've ever did.
[20:23:26] <XXCoder> sears used to be good
[20:23:40] <chopper79> Need a quick sanity check please. The 7i77 ENA+ and ENA- what are the connected to? I have a single wire that enables my drives but need both ENA connections hooked up correct?
[20:23:45] <pink_vampire> it's a power hacksaw from 1950.
[20:24:29] <pink_vampire> in a beautiful conduction. even with the original paint.
[20:24:41] <Wolf_> lol nice
[20:24:45] <pink_vampire> no rust at all.
[20:25:00] <pink_vampire> cobalt steel blade.
[20:25:37] <pink_vampire> do you want me to take a pic?
[20:28:32] <gregcnc> did you find a manual
[20:28:41] <pink_vampire> yes, but online
[20:29:16] <Wolf_> I can’t even find any info for that Trimos online…
[20:29:27] <gregcnc> where else would you check these days?
[20:30:32] <pink_vampire> I took it apart and clean each part from the dust and old oil, and it become the cutest tool in the home.
[20:36:25] <pink_vampire> Wolf_: this is the before
[20:36:28] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/mg4CUkX.png
[20:36:46] <pink_vampire> this is after http://i.imgur.com/3j7aLU4.png
[20:36:54] <Wolf_> heck, that looks clean (the before)
[20:37:08] <XXCoder> wow
[20:37:12] <pink_vampire> gregcnc: ^
[20:37:15] <pink_vampire> archivist: ^
[20:37:36] <pink_vampire> it was the best 350$ ever
[20:37:40] <Wolf_> my bandsaw in my shop looks like the before lol
[20:38:37] <pink_vampire> it cut very accurate, light face is all I need to do.
[20:39:34] <Wolf_> I need to restore/tune my shop bandsaw this summer
[20:39:59] <pink_vampire> no no.. do it in the winter, then use it in the summer.
[20:40:01] <roycroft> the coolant pump on my bandsaw is not working
[20:40:10] <roycroft> i'm lubricating with candles at the moment
[20:40:36] <jdh> kinky
[20:41:45] <pink_vampire> roycroft: get from ebay a peristaltic pump it is the best for lubrication,
[20:42:05] <Wolf_> or a maple syrup pump
[20:42:21] <pink_vampire> you can power it even with 3v and get constant light drip
[20:42:34] <roycroft> i have plenty of volts
[20:42:44] <roycroft> and when my coolant pump worked it was flood coolant
[20:42:49] <pink_vampire> this is the one I have http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-12V-DC-DIY-Dosing-Pump-Peristaltic-Dosing-Head-for-Lab-Analytical-water-DC/381833910747?_trksid=p2141725.c100338.m3726&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20150313114020%26meid%3Dd6deab9d95c64205b2660f30b4bc089a%26pid%3D100338%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D25%26sd%3D261228245436
[20:43:25] <Wolf_> I need to make a stand w/ wheels for my saw, needs coolant system fixed, new bearings for the guides and new lines on the hydraulic down feed
[20:43:48] <pink_vampire> ok.. so you want to flood it. I'm use it to drip cutting oil.
[20:43:59] <roycroft> i use a water-based flood coolant
[20:44:10] <roycroft> and there's a big tank in the stand
[20:44:29] <roycroft> last time i used the saw the hydraulic down feed cylinder was leaking a little bit
[20:44:36] <roycroft> but it was -7 in the shop
[20:44:49] <pink_vampire> wow -7F
[20:44:50] <roycroft> i anticipate it will work fine again now that it's above freezing
[20:44:56] <roycroft> no, -7 real degrees :)
[20:45:02] <pink_vampire> hehe
[20:45:04] <pink_vampire> ok.
[20:45:16] <roycroft> i'll stipulate fahrenheit if i ever use that silly system
[20:45:27] <roycroft> celcius is my default
[20:45:29] <pink_vampire> in that temp I can't move the rails on my machine.
[20:45:38] <roycroft> i'll also stipulate kelvin when necessary to use that
[20:45:47] <XXCoder> I prefer STI units but I live in usa
[20:45:53] <roycroft> i have two shops
[20:45:55] <jesseg> real men use kelvin :P
[20:46:04] <roycroft> one is my welding/grinding/bending shop
[20:46:11] <roycroft> and that is unheated, and where my band saw lives
[20:46:18] <XXCoder> jesseg: freeze point of abosuate K? ;)
[20:46:19] <roycroft> the other is my wood/machining/brewing shop
[20:46:27] <XXCoder> *or
[20:46:36] <roycroft> which is my garage, and while unheated when i'm not working there, always stays above freezing
[20:46:39] <jesseg> XXCoder, never mind that, don't have to worry about negative temperatures :D
[20:46:54] <roycroft> -7c is still pretty cold
[20:46:57] <XXCoder> absoute K it is then lol
[20:47:05] <pink_vampire> I just place the machine in my living room.
[20:47:14] <pink_vampire> much better then a TV.
[20:47:30] <XXCoder> I havent owned a tv since one I bought in 1993 lol
[20:47:38] <XXCoder> it was first captioned tv of all
[20:47:47] <Wolf_> mine is in the kitchen, has more floor in it vs my living room
[20:48:50] <pink_vampire> I think a milling machine is like a printer.
[20:49:00] <Wolf_> http://i.imgur.com/3GOwSlt.jpg this is going in my living room...
[20:49:05] <roycroft> it's a negative printer
[20:50:06] <MacGalempsy> full size?
[20:50:27] <Wolf_> MacGalempsy: 9’ brunswick gold crown 3
[20:51:28] <pink_vampire> Wolf_: I don't know if I want to be your GF.
[20:51:41] <chopper79> Skunkworks: you around?
[20:51:47] <Wolf_> lol pink_vampire
[20:52:12] <pink_vampire> I have to do something about my R8 collets.
[20:52:31] <XXCoder> pool table
[20:52:37] <XXCoder> too bad I cant have one heh
[20:53:02] <pink_vampire> now all of them seats in the original boxes.
[20:53:33] <Wolf_> I only have 1 r8 collet for my mill lol
[20:53:36] <pink_vampire> but it take time to open and close them each time.
[20:53:36] <jdh> make a collet holder
[20:53:50] <pink_vampire> Wolf_: are you using tts?
[20:53:57] <Wolf_> yes =)
[20:54:12] <pink_vampire> do you have power drawbar?
[20:54:40] <MacGalempsy> Wolf_ you got a room big enough for that beast?
[20:55:02] <Wolf_> MacGalempsy: just enough, front room in my house is 15
[20:55:05] <Wolf_> x25
[20:55:42] <Wolf_> so I might still have room for a small couch and wall mounted tv
[20:56:01] <Wolf_> as long as no one is shooting you could watch tv lol
[20:56:42] <XXCoder> make it into wall drop down ;)
[20:56:46] <MacGalempsy> no where are you going to do sweat into the oldies?
[20:56:47] <Wolf_> pink_vampire: http://i.imgur.com/OeR3fzr.jpg was the 1st idea, its probably going to be redone as a floating unit so its not pressing on the bearings and add some leverage
[20:56:57] <XXCoder> or if tall ceiling, lift and drop pool
[20:57:24] <Wolf_> well, pool table gets leveled with the starrett 98-12…
[20:57:29] <Wolf_> you don’t want to move it
[20:58:05] <XXCoder> hm idea
[20:58:09] <XXCoder> autoleveling pool table
[20:58:30] <XXCoder> rasp pi with level and stepper and screws each leg
[20:58:35] <roycroft> that's easy to do
[20:58:50] <pink_vampire> Wolf_: it is not a good drawbar design. it apply pressure to the bearings.
[20:58:51] <roycroft> put it on a platform in your swimming pool
[20:59:09] <roycroft> a floating platform, of course
[20:59:43] <pink_vampire> what is better, rotating or fixed one?
[21:00:10] <pink_vampire> http://thumbs1.ebaystatic.com/d/l225/m/mN6y4EoA4OfXM9oKhk5O9wg.jpg
[21:00:26] <Wolf_> pink_vampire: I don’t like the impact wrench setup
[21:00:42] <Wolf_> oh, collet holders…
[21:00:58] <Wolf_> depends on space partly IMO
[21:02:08] <pink_vampire> Wolf_: I don't like it also. but you need to make a plate that go between the spring washers and the drawbar, and compress it against top plate.
[21:02:08] <Loetmichel_> isnt a "normal" tool changer made by adding a bunch of disc springs to the drawbar instead of the nut on top and then press down onto the drawbar by a pneumatic cyliner when the sminle is in standstill?
[21:02:25] <Loetmichel_> spindle
[21:02:41] <roycroft> i really dislike those impact wrench power drawbar systems
[21:02:45] <MacGalempsy> thats how mine is
[21:02:54] <roycroft> whenever i make mine i'll use belville washers
[21:02:58] <roycroft> which is the proper way :)
[21:03:36] <Wolf_> yeah, thats the idea, usually there is a floating plate so it not driving the top bearing in to the headstock
[21:03:44] <Loetmichel_> with disc springs i mean the kind of "deep dish" formed washers stacked this way : -()()()()-
[21:04:11] <roycroft> those are belville washers, loetmichel_
[21:04:20] <Loetmichel_> i see
[21:04:21] <Wolf_> ^ what he said lol
[21:04:33] <Loetmichel_> in germen they are called "tellerfedern"
[21:04:44] <roycroft> excuse me
[21:04:49] <roycroft> bellville
[21:04:54] <pink_vampire> but you can't just compress them down.
[21:04:55] <Loetmichel_> ( literally "(food)plate springs"
[21:04:57] <Wolf_> I’ll probably end up welding a plate to the top nut for the system to pass on
[21:04:59] <roycroft> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belleville_washer
[21:05:09] <Loetmichel_> german
[21:05:39] <pink_vampire> --------------|()()()()- -|
[21:05:49] <pink_vampire> | = metal plate.
[21:06:07] <Wolf_> and push the cylinder out some and add a lever arm for more force, and to make more room for the spindle motor
[21:06:10] <Loetmichel_> and i dont see the problem with loading the upper bearing
[21:06:21] <MacGalempsy> anyone have experience setting up 4th axis increments in Axis? i put in 10deg but no movement
[21:06:27] <Loetmichel_> usually those are alredy preloaded anyway
[21:06:52] <Loetmichel_> and should withstand a lot more axial load than the springs provide
[21:07:22] <roycroft> the axial load can be significant
[21:07:24] <Loetmichel_> MacGalempsy: cant remember when i last did it, but mine works fine
[21:07:28] <Wolf_> lets see, mines a 4” cylinder at 130psi
[21:08:34] <MacGalempsy> did u use deg or degrees
[21:08:57] <pink_vampire> Loetmichel_: on a benchtop machine it will damage the bearings, and if you have a quill it can push it out.
[21:09:28] <Loetmichel_> cant check now, only my workplace machine has an A axis
[21:09:35] <Loetmichel_> and its weekend here
[21:09:42] <Loetmichel_> so no chance before monday, sorry
[21:09:49] <roycroft> and the middle of the night
[21:09:55] <Loetmichel_> yes
[21:09:59] <roycroft> did your wife kick you out of bed for snoring?
[21:10:00] <pink_vampire> just google g0704 drawbar plate,
[21:10:23] <pink_vampire> http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Ohkp77hA8UQ/VASiiONLW1I/AAAAAAAAAK8/kLQW-KY7Ge4/s1600/IMG_3108.JPG
[21:10:26] <Loetmichel_> no, just came out of the bathtub, will take a time to dry up and then go to bed
[21:10:56] <pink_vampire> http://s132.photobucket.com/user/jid2/media/PDB.jpg.html
[21:11:11] <pink_vampire> this is how it should be done.
[21:11:13] <Wolf_> pink_vampire: my build there doesn’t have the normal x2 bearings in it
[21:11:22] <roycroft> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbUNKx5wrmw&list=UUPw_8uMdPFrSkW8e4MuBlZQ&index=1&feature=plcp]Movie_0004.wmv
[21:11:23] <Loetmichel_> (dont like either hairdryer or the messy look of going to bed with wet hair) ;)
[21:11:25] <roycroft> there's one on an x3
[21:12:02] <Wolf_> pink_vampire: thats almost what I have in mind for mine
[21:12:19] <roycroft> it has a plate that lifts up to take the load off the bearings
[21:12:19] <pink_vampire> Wolf_: it is your machine..I just tell you want I know.
[21:13:13] <Wolf_> big problem I see with mine is lack of force on the springs, won’t have enough pull on the R8 collet
[21:13:24] <Loetmichel_> MacGalempsy: it works pretty fine tho... -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDcCyF_gVoY
[21:13:38] <roycroft> that wikipedia page tells you how to calcuate that, wolf_
[21:13:55] <roycroft> and you can stack a fairly small number of them ot achieve a tremendous amount of pressure
[21:14:02] <Wolf_> yeah, I get that
[21:14:36] <Wolf_> I don’t think I have enough force to press the stack + have enough force on the R8 to keep the tooling from pulling out
[21:14:54] <roycroft> oh, you're concerned about cylinder force
[21:15:03] <roycroft> i thought you were concerned about the belleville washers
[21:15:19] <roycroft> you don't think you can push hard enough on them
[21:15:20] <Wolf_> yeah, I know how to calc those out
[21:15:35] <roycroft> so don't push on them directly
[21:15:42] <roycroft> offset the cylinder and push on them with a lever
[21:15:56] <Wolf_> 4” cylinder + 130psi shop air, will need a lever setup
[21:16:19] * Loetmichel_ will wait for the chinese to come by a way to make a cheap as fu** watercooled HF spindle with toolchanger tho
[21:16:21] <Wolf_> at that point I might as well do the correct floating setup with
[21:16:51] <Loetmichel_> cant exert any reasonable force on the spindle anyway on a CNC 6040
[21:17:08] <Loetmichel_> the gantry is simply not rigid enough for much mass on the Z axis
[21:17:23] <pink_vampire> i took a pic of my draw bar
[21:17:24] <Wolf_> I’m kicking myself slightly on something like that, there was a 20k rpm cat40 insert spindle at that auction that I almost bid on but didnt...
[21:19:19] * Loetmichel_ would like to have a low rpm spindle or geardown head for the 24krpm one i have now tho
[21:19:38] <Loetmichel_> ... and with a position sensor to top it
[21:19:58] <Loetmichel_> so i can do rigid tapping with it
[21:20:22] <SpeedEvil> Just rigid tap at 24000RPM
[21:20:26] <Loetmichel_> i often need 100s of M3 taps in my sheet aluminium
[21:20:58] <Loetmichel_> SpeedEvil: the spindle has by no means enough torque
[21:21:09] * SpeedEvil may not have been 100% serious.
[21:21:48] <Loetmichel_> also you would need a real stream of cutting oil to tap at 24kRPM in aluminium ;)
[21:21:52] <MacGalempsy> looks good. trying to determine the max rpm. but need to fillit with some oil
[21:23:07] <roycroft> i wish i had the money to go to auctions like that and buy stuff
[21:23:13] <roycroft> i wish we had auctions like that
[21:23:53] <pink_vampire> Wolf_: 5 min for machining a hex with square inside http://i.imgur.com/d5LsmRy.png, them press it on the drawbar with few hammer taps http://i.imgur.com/VFLdXuD.png, and now you can use your beefy vise wrench without any worry that it will slip.
[21:23:55] <roycroft> there are some machinery auctions in my part of the world
[21:24:00] <roycroft> but they are uncommon
[21:24:09] <roycroft> and the reserves are usually really high on everything
[21:24:10] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/EpWSV9H.png
[21:25:34] <Loetmichel_> roycroft: i would have the money.. but i dont have the room, living in a rented flat ;)
[21:26:39] <pink_vampire> after that 5min modification to the drawbar it make the tool change soo easy, and the hex part even speed up the process if you want to unscrew the collet by hand.
[21:26:54] <XXCoder> mnot bad
[21:28:57] <jdh> I got an R8-ER32 that I leave in most of the time
[21:30:00] <pink_vampire> I think the tts is nice, but I'm using 99% of the time 1/8 collet. so all I need is the r8 1/8" collet.
[21:32:12] <pink_vampire> and with 1/8" and smaller it is much better to keep them short as possible and avoid holders..
[21:34:04] <pink_vampire> SpeedEvil: LOL
[21:35:00] <XXCoder> new clickspring!
[21:36:04] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: why are you so excited by that??
[21:36:15] <XXCoder> I love videos made by that guy
[21:37:09] <pink_vampire> lol
[21:37:41] <MacGalempsy> loetmichel_ looks like degrees are not recognized
[21:37:43] <Wolf_> roycroft: the cat40 spindle thinger went for $50...
[21:39:01] <XXCoder> cat40 tool holder?
[21:39:08] <XXCoder> taper? forgot what its called
[21:39:10] <Wolf_> sec
[21:39:56] <Wolf_> yeah cat 40 is tool holder taper
[21:40:23] <XXCoder> work we keep throwing few of those per month
[21:40:25] <XXCoder> 1 to 2
[21:40:38] <XXCoder> dunno why
[21:41:39] <Mac-Mill> tell them you are going to make sure they get into the trash, then take them home
[21:41:51] <XXCoder> nah no machine that can use those
[21:42:13] <Wolf_> https://www.bidspotter.com/en-us/auction-catalogues/comly-auctioneers/catalogue-id-bscco10091/lot-850782bc-527c-492e-9fc4-a70400ed83b2
[21:42:43] <chopper79> Ok... try this agin. The ENA+ and ENA- on a 7i77 are for the drive enables. The question is I have a drive that only uses a single grounded signal to enable the drive. I do not have a drive +. I know I need to use both the ENA+/- but with only needing a ground signal on the drive what shoudl I do? I was going to use the ENA+/- to drive a relay to dump the drives enable to ground.
[21:42:49] <chopper79> Suggestions?
[21:43:07] <Wolf_> use what the drive needs
[21:43:31] <chopper79> Ithought I had to use both ENA+/- from what I remember
[21:43:59] <Wolf_> should say whats needed in the 7i77 manual
[21:44:42] <cradek> did you see page 14?
[21:44:53] <cradek> it says exactly what to do
[21:45:49] <cradek> um document page 14, not pdf page 14 (always confusing)
[21:47:02] <chopper79> Found it in the manual finally. I looked and looked and just could not seem to find it. Thank you Ctrl F
[21:47:44] <chopper79> cradek: thank you as well for the page. You were right the pages do not line up with the pdf pages
[21:50:02] <chopper79> Just so I make sure I am correct on this. ENA+/- are nothing but a closure switch. If I need active low for the drive enable then I should connect drived enable line (low) to the ENA+ and then take the ENA- and send it to ground? If I am wrong please let me know as I do not feel like burning up my 7i77
[21:50:26] <cradek> that's literally what the sentence in the manual says
[21:50:44] <Wolf_> if in doubt, test it with a dmm
[21:51:00] <chopper79> Just wanting to make sure. I would do that anyway wolf
[21:51:08] <chopper79> Thanks you all.
[21:56:43] <malcom2073> Did some cleaning up of the parts I did the other day: https://scontent.fphl2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/16473905_1535040646510311_2980759447243660169_n.jpg?oh=771c53e6a8997acc86e384439edd274c&oe=5942AFA6
[21:56:50] <malcom2073> It's amazing what a scotch bright wheel can do
[21:57:29] <Wolf_> nice
[21:58:09] <Wolf_> so did you order a new mill yet?
[21:58:55] <malcom2073> Hah nope, that's months off from even being a possibility
[21:59:06] <Wolf_> malcom2073: that auction I picked the stuff up at, foreclosure auction, most of the machines still had jobs in them
[21:59:13] <malcom2073> Heh wow
[21:59:47] <Wolf_> all those VMC were still hooked up
[22:00:12] <malcom2073> That's nuts
[22:00:19] <Wolf_> yup
[22:00:31] <malcom2073> At my work, we downsized
[22:00:34] <malcom2073> from like, 600, to 30
[22:00:58] <malcom2073> I was part of the "cleanup" crew, that had to clean up peoples work stations, take inventory, and move all of our stuff into a smaller building
[22:01:12] <Wolf_> rough stuff
[22:01:16] <malcom2073> Same thing there, circuit boards half populated, stuff half assembled with tools still on bolts and stuff
[22:01:58] <Wolf_> yeah, they usually don’t give much warning to the workers
[22:02:39] <malcom2073> Yeah
[22:17:11] <vuko> `
[22:21:17] <Mac-Mill> sweetness. 4th axis tuned within 0.001 deg
[22:21:46] <Wolf_> nice
[22:23:14] <Mac-Mill> now for the bloody spindle
[22:23:34] <Mac-Mill> let me check the forum post to see if any help came my way
[22:27:33] <XXCoder> jeez
[22:27:42] <XXCoder> routing wites takes lot og time lol
[22:27:53] <XXCoder> just routed Z stepper wires though machine
[22:27:57] <XXCoder> next is Y
[22:32:28] <roycroft> why do some people even bother with a best offer option on ebay?
[22:32:33] <roycroft> i've been watching an item for months
[22:32:36] <roycroft> i finally decided to get it
[22:32:49] <roycroft> the asking price was $10.95
[22:32:53] <roycroft> i offered $9
[22:33:00] <roycroft> i got a counteroffer of $10.94
[22:33:08] <Wolf_> lol
[22:33:34] <roycroft> if you're not going to negotiate don't make it an option on the listing
[22:33:48] <jesseg> roycroft, LOL... counter offer $9.01
[22:34:06] <roycroft> it's worth $10.95, and i'd have happily paid $10.95 if the best offer option had not been there
[22:34:19] <roycroft> but with behavior like that i just rejected the counteroffer
[22:34:37] <Wolf_> my renishaw mp1s was listed at $125, offered $75 came back with counter at $100, which I took
[22:34:46] <roycroft> i don't playing stupid games with jerks
[22:34:57] <roycroft> that's a reasonable way to negotiate, wolf_
[22:35:21] <roycroft> if this guy had come back with $10 i'd have gone for it
[22:35:51] <pink_vampire> Mac-Mill: any pics?
[22:36:02] <roycroft> i always make my initial offer lower than i expect to be accepted, but never insultingly low
[22:36:06] <Wolf_> then they listed the mi5 for $60 obo, when I was leaving feedback 5 days later, I skipped the offer thing and hit the buy it now quick lol
[22:38:47] <roycroft> i wish i could find a haimer that cheap
[22:41:36] <Wolf_> me too lol
[22:42:54] <pink_vampire> any idea how to make x/y calibration for a cube / flat datum?
[22:43:23] <Wolf_> surface grinder
[22:44:23] <pink_vampire> I mean how to mount it?
[22:44:51] <Wolf_> that, dunno
[22:44:57] <pink_vampire> it have a shaft of 0.2"
[23:01:27] <Mac-Mill> things are only getting better here. so happy
[23:01:47] <SpeedEvil> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3ynX_OWcAE-DQA.jpg:large Playing minecraft if you're a billionaire.
[23:02:23] <Wolf_> I need one of those for my backyard for a few days
[23:02:30] <SpeedEvil> https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/827720686911291392
[23:09:12] <pink_vampire> how the calibration base screws works? http://www.profisystemcnc.pl/media/rokgallery/1/1dcb1c75-876c-400c-8ae3-9c7ce6f4dba7/pomiar-narzedzia-sonda-renishaw.jpg
[23:11:55] <CaptHindsight> http://www.harborfreight.com/3-piece-micrometer-set-66512.html I reckon that these should be accurate to at least 1/10th of an inch
[23:12:08] <XXCoder> SpeedEvil: lol
[23:12:54] <roycroft> sure, but which 10th?
[23:12:57] <XXCoder> Austin Braun ‏@AustinOnSocial 53m53 minutes ago @elonmusk how much redstone did you use for this?
[23:13:03] <XXCoder> gonna love that twitter
[23:13:31] <pink_vampire> someone can help me with the tool setting?
[23:14:02] <Wolf_> pink_vampire: http://i.imgur.com/i8YPSUE.png see the ball
[23:15:07] <pink_vampire> so it is just 4 screws and a ball on the center??????
[23:15:13] <Wolf_> yup
[23:15:16] <Wolf_> high tech
[23:15:28] <XXCoder> very precise ball I bet
[23:15:41] <Wolf_> nope, just a ball bearing
[23:16:16] <XXCoder> dang https://www.eliomotors.com/super-bowl-sil-and-size/?utm_campaign=Three+Wheel+Blog
[23:16:19] <XXCoder> thts tall guy.
[23:17:13] <pink_vampire> i thought it will some flexure made out of nitinol or something like that.
[23:18:26] <Wolf_> nope, they like using a center pivot with 4 screws to level or set the head concentric
[23:18:27] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: paint it pink and send it to me!!!!!!!please!!! it is sooooooooooo cuuuuuteeeeeeeeeeee LOVE iTT
[23:18:33] <XXCoder> wish heh
[23:19:45] <Wolf_> I want one, can use it as a spare on the back of my worktruck
[23:20:09] <XXCoder> lol
[23:20:23] <pink_vampire> https://www.osvehicle.com/
[23:21:34] <Wolf_> $12-20k for a electric gocart =/
[23:22:09] <XXCoder> yeah nope for me lol
[23:23:14] <Wolf_> hmm that tool setter pic.. interesting
[23:23:51] <CaptHindsight> https://youtu.be/BMpeo-0Gl9E?t=1m19s old school cylinder boring
[23:24:08] <pink_vampire> Wolf_: do you think it is also use a ball?
[23:24:34] <Wolf_> yeah, that way you can torque it down solid once its set
[23:25:22] <Wolf_> that tool setter head looks like the same guts as a MP9/mp1s probe
[23:26:10] <pink_vampire> I don't know..
[23:26:26] <Wolf_> 3 pin/6 ball setup
[23:26:29] <pink_vampire> I'm trying to make some small and very light probe
[23:27:21] <pink_vampire> Wolf_: the TP20 is also 3pins/6balls ?
[23:27:36] <Wolf_> I don’t know, I don’t have one of those...
[23:27:53] <Wolf_> MP9 http://i.imgur.com/pMAGtBE.jpg
[23:28:35] <pink_vampire> this is yours?
[23:28:40] <Wolf_> yeah
[23:28:52] <Wolf_> I have a mp9 and mp1s
[23:29:09] <XXCoder> that cost $100
[23:29:10] <XXCoder> ?
[23:29:24] <Wolf_> mp9 cost me $75
[23:29:30] <pink_vampire> WOW
[23:29:32] <Wolf_> Mp1s was $100
[23:29:49] <pink_vampire> where? how? what???
[23:29:54] <Wolf_> ebay...
[23:30:04] <Wolf_> mp9 is the size of a beercan...
[23:30:24] <pink_vampire> auction?
[23:30:36] <Wolf_> http://i.imgur.com/vL5jtDf.jpg body w/out the probe end on it
[23:30:43] <Wolf_> ebay...
[23:31:13] <pink_vampire> wayyy to big.
[23:31:29] <XXCoder> "qualtyprobe" LOL! http://www.ebay.com/itm/CNC-3D-Digitizing-Probe-for-Mach3-Stepper-Motor-routers-Lowest-Cost-Qualityprobe-/330685665791
[23:31:35] <XXCoder> what a peice of shit
[23:31:43] <XXCoder> and 122 sold?????
[23:31:58] <Wolf_> yeah lol
[23:32:01] <pink_vampire> WTF!
[23:32:10] <XXCoder> lol I can 3d print better
[23:32:17] <Wolf_> there was 5 people watching the mp1s that I got
[23:32:26] <XXCoder> maybe I sould start printing and selling probes
[23:32:36] <pink_vampire> ok, I need to start making probes.
[23:32:42] <pink_vampire> lol
[23:33:14] <XXCoder> pink can you make custom one, one inch long max ;)
[23:33:47] <pink_vampire> the smaller the better!!
[23:34:31] <Wolf_> thats usually not what she said…
[23:34:46] <XXCoder> she said it. proof: pink just said it
[23:37:02] <Wolf_> thats one cheesy looking probe
[23:37:12] <pink_vampire> when it large it not that comfy to get it in a small hole.
[23:38:13] <Wolf_> that crappy ebay probe looks laser cut
[23:38:32] <XXCoder> and its 78 bucks'
[23:38:37] <XXCoder> $10 shipped
[23:38:44] <XXCoder> *88
[23:38:57] <XXCoder> what amazes me is 122 sold!
[23:38:59] <XXCoder> jeez!
[23:39:10] <Wolf_> I really need to get a laser cutter lol
[23:39:32] <pink_vampire> if the hole is just 3 mm, and the ball is 1.5. and the probe seam is 20mm, the probe need to be small.
[23:40:05] <Wolf_> 20mm shank?
[23:40:28] <pink_vampire> seam.
[23:40:41] <Wolf_> eh
[23:40:53] <pink_vampire> the length of the shank of the tip.
[23:41:00] <Wolf_> stylus
[23:43:14] <Wolf_> hmm I don’t have a 1.5mm tip stylus
[23:44:02] <Wolf_> i have a 1mm, 2mm, 4mm, 6mm and 8mm
[23:44:51] <pink_vampire> and you got them for 2$ each?
[23:45:21] <Wolf_> all but the 6mm came with the $100 mp1s
[23:48:17] <Wolf_> http://i.imgur.com/DKl2Mj0.jpg
[23:50:03] <pink_vampire> Wolf_: the cross hole mean a necklaces ready version?
[23:50:19] <XXCoder> lol
[23:50:27] <Wolf_> I guess, they are ruby tipped
[23:50:56] <XXCoder> fancy. Just don't use it on Al
[23:51:30] <Wolf_> yeah, I need some stainless ball version
[23:52:16] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: why not?
[23:52:36] <XXCoder> it sticks to alum an I guess it wears ruby sphere?
[23:52:42] <XXCoder> ruby is alum oxide after all
[23:58:26] <XXCoder> im sure someone can explain better
[23:58:43] <XXCoder> I never owned any probe so I dont know exactly effect are