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[00:00:29] <pfred1> linuxcn has a lot of front ends because lots of people weren't too impressed
[00:01:29] <Wolf_> yup, I might have to look in to the hacked path pilot
[00:01:44] <pfred1> I've seen path pilot
[00:01:55] <pfred1> I'm used to axis
[00:02:02] <pfred1> good enough
[00:02:21] <Wolf_> yeah, I’m running axis on my current mill
[00:02:30] <chopper79> I may have a cloned HD from a tormach machine heading my direction.
[00:02:36] <chopper79> HDD
[00:02:43] <pfred1> I have to say initially axis didn't thrill me but it grew on me
[00:03:02] <Wolf_> I have a ISO of the path pilot install disk
[00:03:22] <chopper79> If the guy send it I will dive into it
[00:03:28] <chopper79> I need that disk...haha
[00:03:44] <chopper79> some backendn stuff that I want to check out
[00:04:22] <roycroft> that's proprietary code, isn't it?
[00:04:27] <Wolf_> sorta
[00:04:41] <chopper79> ^agreed
[00:04:46] <roycroft> on a channel where a lot of people develop software, it's not prudent to discuss piracy
[00:04:50] <pfred1> probably can't distribute it
[00:04:59] <Wolf_> tormach path pilot is based on linuxcnc
[00:05:13] <Wolf_> only the graphics are copyrighted
[00:05:21] <Wolf_> so you can’t use the buttons
[00:05:39] <pfred1> or your fingers burst into flame
[00:06:01] <pfred1> debian had a problem with firefox's logo for a long time
[00:06:08] <Wolf_> https://forum.linuxcnc.org/pathpilot
[00:06:41] <pfred1> I mae my own firefox ison
[00:06:44] <pfred1> icon
[00:07:25] <pfred1> you can make svg icons in inkscale
[00:07:31] <pfred1> inkscape
[00:07:51] <Wolf_> I think someone already made a graphics pack for it
[00:07:52] <chopper79> pfred: sorry about this taking so long to download. I hate to keep you
[00:08:03] <pfred1> chopper79 no worries
[00:08:31] <chopper79> only at 20%
[00:08:32] <pfred1> chopper79 me probably won't get you fully up and running all in one go though
[00:08:52] <pfred1> but I'd like to leve you in a state where you can work with the machine
[00:09:25] <pfred1> get you over the initial rough spots
[00:09:30] <chopper79> I understand..... getting over the hump is my thing. Once over the hump I can usually take off running with minimal questions
[00:10:12] <roycroft> i think the only major thing you have to do once the packages install is configure a boot manager
[00:10:15] <chopper79> very grateful for all the help.
[00:10:16] <roycroft> use grub
[00:10:27] <pfred1> grub2 right?
[00:10:31] <roycroft> and tell it to use your disk device
[00:10:46] <roycroft> it's grub2, but the screen will just say grub
[00:11:09] <pfred1> heck i can't even remember what we used before grub anymore
[00:11:12] <roycroft> use it, don't set it up for multi-boot
[00:11:14] <roycroft> lilo
[00:11:16] <pfred1> it seriously sucked though
[00:11:21] <pfred1> yeah thaqt's it tie li hang
[00:11:21] <roycroft> it was horrible
[00:11:28] <roycroft> grub is horrible too
[00:11:31] <pfred1> when you forgot to update before yo urebooted
[00:11:38] <roycroft> but i'm an old school bsd guy
[00:11:46] <roycroft> linux boot managers have always been annoying at best
[00:12:02] <pfred1> well grub is light years ahead of lilo
[00:12:10] <roycroft> it doesn't break as much
[00:13:11] <roycroft> all a fscking boot manager needs to do is load a jump table, jump to some location where it can load a tiny bit of code that can parse a filesystem, and then jump to the kernel boot loader
[00:13:11] <pfred1> lilo taught me how to chroot
[00:13:40] <roycroft> all the other crap that linux boot managers is just bloat
[00:15:14] <pfred1> the chroot command used to be a message at the end of a slackware boot floppy
[00:15:17] <roycroft> iirc lilo couldn't parse the root filesystem, so you had to tell it where the kernel boot loader was physically located on the disk so it could jump to the right place at boot time
[00:15:46] <roycroft> and if you moved the kernel and did not tell lilo you lost
[00:15:58] <pfred1> yup the li hang
[00:16:36] <pfred1> been there done that
[00:17:21] <pfred1> when your PC isn't even a decent lightlight anymore
[00:17:29] <pfred1> nightlight even
[00:17:45] <chopper79> gotta be up in 5.5hrs.... to head to class. First class at 7am is calc. I may just not go...
[00:18:12] <pfred1> chopper79 we can pick this up tomotrrow
[00:18:17] <chopper79> still wake up in 5.5hrs but work on a report all day.
[00:18:33] <chopper79> I am in it to win it sir.... as long as you are
[00:19:12] <pfred1> it's up to you but computers are incredibly patient they can always wait
[00:19:40] <chopper79> I will email my prof. and tell them I will not be in. Problem solved. I can use the brain break anyway.
[00:20:08] <pfred1> I wish I went to school
[00:20:11] <chopper79> I know computers are patient..... Me not so much.
[00:21:10] <chopper79> Once I get going on something I will stick to it for days and days if need be. I have tunnel vision very bad, so im in this right now.
[00:21:11] <pfred1> well building a custom LinuxCNC config can be a lengthy process
[00:21:38] <pfred1> someplace on the forum is a list of the commands i issued to do it
[00:21:44] <pfred1> it is like 80 commands long?
[00:22:01] <chopper79> It will turn into #1 priority for me.
[00:22:09] <pfred1> focus is good
[00:22:53] <pfred1> I need a new PC
[00:23:09] <pfred1> sometime this year i need to pick one up
[00:23:12] <chopper79> yeah... I am hyper focused though. I get into something and everything else gets pushed to the side.
[00:23:33] <pfred1> well if you don't prioritize things never get finished
[00:23:36] <chopper79> Hate to say it but even my kids..... Its a blessing and a curse all in one.
[00:23:58] <pfred1> I hate when people tell me they don't have time to do this, or that
[00:24:08] <pfred1> my reply is there's only 24 hours in my day too
[00:24:34] <chopper79> I agree 100% there.... we are all granted the same time as another.
[00:24:36] <pfred1> it is how you spend those hours what you end up doing
[00:25:11] <pfred1> yeah far as i know everyone has the same amount of time
[00:25:23] <chopper79> yup... Trying to settle down more though. It is nothng for me to run 36hrs straight on something.
[00:25:29] <pfred1> so when people tell me they don't have time it annoys me
[00:26:04] <Wolf_> my only issue is running in to walls on projects, either materials or knowledge
[00:26:16] <chopper79> or both
[00:26:44] <pfred1> Wolf_ well with Linux you can almost always find the knowledge
[00:26:48] <Wolf_> I have a few projects stalled due to me not knowing how to code
[00:26:53] <chopper79> pfred: I grind all my gears all the time.
[00:26:57] <pfred1> which is one thing I love about it
[00:27:09] <pfred1> I have hit black holes in windows
[00:27:24] <pfred1> but if you keep digging in Linux there's always an answer
[00:27:26] <Wolf_> I have issue remembering command/code syntax
[00:27:43] <pfred1> I have a text file where I save obscure commands
[00:27:52] <pfred1> I don't try to remember it
[00:28:00] <chopper79> Somebody once told me that linux will basically tell you whats wrong.
[00:28:10] <pfred1> I keep files of software buiulds too
[00:28:18] <Wolf_> yeah, that doesn’t work coding or running command line stuff lol
[00:28:29] <pfred1> in case i have to build something again
[00:28:44] <pfred1> Wolf_ why doesn't it work?
[00:28:54] <pfred1> I just copy and paste
[00:28:58] <Wolf_> odd commands I can see, but noting every single one
[00:29:08] <pfred1> yuo know about the history command?
[00:29:23] <pfred1> linux saves like your last 2000 commands
[00:29:24] <Wolf_> I’m more talking about C+ kinda stuff
[00:29:55] <pfred1> I grep my command history a lot mostly because I'm too lazy to retype the command
[00:30:35] <pfred1> you can still keep notes in computers
[00:30:43] <pfred1> I at least find it handy
[00:33:16] <Wolf_> imo to me coding is like trying to understand a foreign language spoken at full speed, using a dictionary to translate…
[00:33:35] <pfred1> I can't program my way out of a soggy paper bag
[00:34:03] <pfred1> just something about it doesn't click for me
[00:34:12] <pfred1> or none of it
[00:34:30] <roycroft> shell history is a function of the shell, not the operating system
[00:34:37] <roycroft> and with many shells it is configurable
[00:34:44] <roycroft> and with some shells it is not available
[00:34:45] <pfred1> roycroft well I consider it all Linux
[00:35:08] <pfred1> or more technically GNU/Linux
[00:35:44] <pfred1> though with Debian history is a completely diffrent thing
[00:36:07] <pfred1> well no that's tab completion
[00:36:12] <roycroft> it's important to know that it's a shell function
[00:36:16] <pfred1> that's what Debian butchered
[00:36:25] <roycroft> because there are many different shells available
[00:36:36] <roycroft> and the behavior of that history varies with the shell
[00:36:48] <pfred1> I just use bash all the other shells are just for angsty people
[00:37:58] <pfred1> poeple using different stuff for the sake of being different
[00:38:31] <roycroft> that's rather presumptuous
[00:40:22] <pfred1> thank you
[00:40:48] <Wolf_> I do that a lot
[00:41:10] <Wolf_> simple route, naa, gotta do it totally different
[00:46:15] <chopper79> for some reason pizza really sounds good.
[00:46:25] <pfred1> I made some pizza the other day
[00:46:30] <pfred1> it was great
[00:46:40] <pfred1> the pizza here sucks
[00:46:47] <chopper79> where
[00:47:01] <pfred1> I live in southern Delaware now
[00:47:16] <pfred1> I came from Northern New Jersey deep in the pizza belt
[00:47:18] <chopper79> got ya.... that sucks that the pizza sucks
[00:47:42] <Wolf_> I was just in the middle of NJ today...
[00:47:48] <pfred1> even the pizza up there isn[t what it used to be anymore
[00:48:05] <pfred1> still better than here though
[00:48:36] <pfred1> Wolf_ where abouts?
[00:49:08] <chopper79> not suprising... Have to find the hole in the wall places to get good food these days. We have a couple places in illinos that you can go and think to yourself why did Icome here. Then you eat the food and you know why you went there.
[00:49:11] <Wolf_> Hainesport NJ 08036
[00:49:28] <pfred1> can't say as I've ever heard of Hainesport
[00:49:30] <Wolf_> where the auction was
[00:51:15] <pfred1> although being off the TPK I've driven by it countless times
[00:52:05] <Wolf_> lol yeah, I just loaded the address and drove…
[00:53:02] <pfred1> that's like the pine barrens
[00:54:44] <pfred1> New Jersey's version of fly over country
[00:54:49] <chopper79> still chuggin along pfred
[00:55:03] <pfred1> chopper79 I imagine it would be
[00:55:37] <pfred1> I live out in the woods now but I have Fios
[00:55:57] <pfred1> which never ceases to amaze me
[00:56:16] <pfred1> they had to run 900 feet of cable on my property to get it to my house
[00:57:12] <pfred1> they said they were going to wire the whole exchange and they made good on the promise
[00:57:38] <pfred1> it took them ilke 3 years to get to me though
[00:58:00] <Wolf_> this might be of interest for you, might be almost close
https://www.bidspotter.com/en-us/auction-catalogues/timed/new-mill-capital/catalogue-id-bscnew10082
[00:58:09] <Wolf_> but they haven’t listed the lots yet
[00:59:10] <pfred1> Wolf_ that's not too far from me
[00:59:31] <pfred1> I live by Harbeson
[01:00:20] <pfred1> so straight out the seashore highway
[01:00:39] <Wolf_> 1.5hr drive to federalsburg for me
[01:01:04] <pfred1> might be 40 minutes from here?
[01:01:09] <Wolf_> lol
[01:01:22] <Wolf_> NJ trip was 2hrs
[01:01:48] <pfred1> yeah it takes me about 3+ hours to drive back to my home town from here
[01:01:57] <pfred1> I hate driving up there
[01:02:16] <Wolf_> and the fuckign snow today
[01:02:27] <Wolf_> now I need to wash my car
[01:02:28] <pfred1> it was all melted here by 11AM
[01:03:20] <pfred1> hey there's a place called Crapo
[01:03:36] <pfred1> glad I don't live there
[01:03:55] <pfred1> right next door to hoopersville
[01:04:27] <Wolf_> PA has the good names...
[01:04:45] <pfred1> some of my family comes from PA
[01:05:16] <pfred1> my grandfather on my mother's side was from coal country up in the mountains
[01:06:18] <pfred1> just over the next knob
[01:06:40] <pfred1> better turn the radio off so we got power to get up the hill
[01:08:15] <Wolf_> heh
[01:10:44] <pfred1> you got no idea how many sets of tire chains I threw out
[01:11:39] <pfred1> some were mint in box
[01:12:31] <pfred1> i guess growing up there one develops a fondness for certain things?
[01:13:02] <Wolf_> like not sliding off a road to your death
[01:13:12] <chopper79> 6mins left of file downloads
[01:13:24] <pfred1> I swear he had liek a 3 foot tall pile of tire chains in the cellar
[01:13:39] <Wolf_> or stuck in a holler during a snow storm…
[01:13:53] <Wolf_> yeah, tire chains aren’t one size fits all
[01:13:56] <pfred1> my grandfather was one of a kind
[01:14:12] <Wolf_> so you end up with a mess of them
[01:14:20] <pfred1> that's what eh had
[01:14:48] <pfred1> where I grew up it was pretty hilly too
[01:14:59] <pfred1> we just knew not to drive around in the snow
[01:15:47] <chopper79> I have always liked how linux time remaining is so much more correct then windows time remaining estimate.
[01:16:22] <pfred1> yeah gas gauges in Windows can be inaccurate
[01:17:09] <Wolf_> https://www.dropbox.com/s/z97s75ohnrxblb5/Photo%20Feb%2005%2C%207%2057%2024%20AM.jpg?dl=0
[01:17:13] <pfred1> I'm curious what you're going to end up booting into
[01:17:23] <chopper79> same here...haha
[01:17:46] <pfred1> Wolf_ shiny chains
[01:18:16] <Wolf_> https://www.dropbox.com/s/ssuzab500bgv36l/Photo%20Feb%2005%2C%207%2057%2009%20AM.jpg?dl=0
[01:18:29] <pfred1> chopper79 no matter what it is we'll get it to work
[01:18:30] <Wolf_> that was a fun day, I spent 6 hours stuck on that road
[01:18:44] <Wolf_> might have been 8
[01:18:52] <Wolf_> I was in the truck for 34 hrs
[01:19:10] <pfred1> Wolf_ break down?
[01:19:17] <Wolf_> trees
[01:19:17] <chopper79> sounds good... Like I said all I want is a bare bones machine control and very little extra junk.
[01:19:20] <pfred1> ah
[01:19:30] <chopper79> 10sec
[01:19:38] <pfred1> this is like new years
[01:19:45] <chopper79> 2sec
[01:19:50] <pfred1> it didn't take that long
[01:19:53] <chopper79> DONE downloading
[01:19:57] <pfred1> yea
[01:20:05] <chopper79> now its preparing and installing
[01:20:11] <chopper79> Shoul dmove a bit faster now
[01:20:14] <pfred1> that can take a while
[01:20:37] <pfred1> it is still amazing you can download a free OS
[01:20:40] <roycroft> it should be done in 10 minutes or less on any decent machine
[01:21:25] <Wolf_> if chopper79 wasn’t connected at 14.4 modem speeds
[01:21:30] <chopper79> just seen a prepare and install for desktop -base does that give nay idea on what will come out the other end?
[01:21:47] <chopper79> Only the best wolf
[01:21:53] <pfred1> it sounds ilke you're going to have a GUI to me
[01:22:25] <chopper79> just seen a gnome prepare
[01:22:34] <pfred1> doh!
[01:22:40] <pfred1> you do need GTK though
[01:22:55] <roycroft> you did the thing i told you not to do
[01:23:18] <chopper79> what wa that
[01:23:28] <pfred1> apparently you installed Gnome
[01:23:50] <pfred1> you don't have to run Gnome though
[01:23:53] <chopper79> never selected it
[01:24:34] <pfred1> I like gnome 2.6 a little well I could tolerate it
[01:24:41] <chopper79> haha... just unpacked and prepared cheese
[01:25:14] <chopper79> I must be tired if I am finind things like that interesting
[01:25:15] <pfred1> my favorite DE is KDE 3.15 thugh
[01:26:11] <pfred1> google has too many doodles
[01:26:23] <pfred1> who's today's idiot?
[01:26:40] <pfred1> Fred Korematsu?
[01:28:24] <chopper79> yeah its preparing libreoffice..... that sucks ass that all this crap is gonna be in there
[01:28:47] <chopper79> I use libre but I dont want it on my machine control
[01:28:54] <pfred1> indeed
[01:29:10] <pfred1> you must have picked standard desktop install which is what we wnated to avoid
[01:30:01] <chopper79> must have.... can remove it all though if I am not mistaken
[01:30:07] <pfred1> indeed
[01:30:26] <pfred1> apt-get --purge remove
[01:30:38] <pfred1> but it is easier not to install junk in the first place
[01:31:58] <chopper79> Wonder how I managed that. I guess I did not understand what all the little radio buttons were for. figured using tab to go to sshserver and hit enter was the deal. guess not
[01:33:57] <pfred1> is there a way to turn a Debian machine into a LinuxCNC machine by just editing /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[01:34:24] <pfred1> that's a route i never tried
[01:35:07] <pfred1> I should look at the /etc/apt/sources.list file on my LinuxCNC machine and see what special sauce is in there
[01:35:44] <chopper79> with that --purge do I need to select what goes or does it just clean house
[01:35:50] <chopper79> down to basics
[01:36:51] <pfred1> purge removes configuration files
[01:37:53] <pfred1> there' s reammy nothing special going on in this suorces.list file
[01:38:18] <pfred1> they must do it with a pin file?
[01:38:52] <pfred1> interesting
[01:39:38] <pfred1> I need a command to dump every package name into a file
[01:42:09] <chopper79> almost complete
[01:51:48] <pfred1> brb
[01:52:02] <chopper79> ok... it is installing grub
[01:52:09] <chopper79> 50% done
[01:53:45] <pfred1> back
[01:53:58] <archivist> Wolf_, it is just a pull up resistor to 5v and an analogue pin used in voltage measuring (a-d input)
[01:54:06] <chopper79> ok... rebooting
[01:54:14] <Wolf_> oh
[01:54:42] <archivist> Wolf_, I see the height thing is old enough to have wire wrap connections
[01:54:46] <Wolf_> mine is hooked up wrong lol
[01:55:31] <Wolf_> A0/A1 which is the input?
[01:56:30] <chopper79> all I have is a black screen with a mouse arrow. Nothing else
[01:56:57] <pfred1> chopper79 that does not sound eight
[01:57:26] <pfred1> you should have a DM
[01:58:01] <pfred1> OK that's useless switch to another console so we can see what is going on
[01:58:14] <Wolf_> archivist: probe hookup, I have mine across A1 and A0
[01:58:17] <pfred1> hit ctrl+alt+F2
[01:58:53] <archivist> Wolf_, just looking at the code, it looks wrong even though it works..... must fix
[01:58:57] <chopper79> ok have a terminal
[01:59:00] <pfred1> good
[01:59:12] <Wolf_> lol
[01:59:14] <pfred1> now ps aux | grep dm
[01:59:34] <pfred1> see if any display manager is running
[01:59:56] <Wolf_> archivist: I have A1 pulled down to GND
[02:00:24] <Wolf_> not sure how mine is working lol
[02:01:01] <chopper79> gdm session worker
[02:01:04] <archivist> Wolf_, calin=a1 - a switch input I ran out of digital pins
[02:01:19] <pfred1> that's gnome's DM
[02:01:32] <chopper79> gdm3
[02:01:35] <chopper79> xorg
[02:01:38] <pfred1> it is just a cursor on a black screen?
[02:01:58] <chopper79> yes
[02:02:09] <archivist> Wolf_, I have a toggle switch on that pin, it just cuts out a section of code, so grounding is ok
[02:02:10] <pfred1> ok alt+F8
[02:02:22] <pfred1> let's go back to it see if you can get it to work
[02:02:39] <pfred1> have you clicked, or anything?
[02:02:41] <chopper79> alt f8 does notning
[02:02:55] <pfred1> it should take you back to X's terminal
[02:02:58] <Wolf_> archivist: so my probe should be 5v > 1k resistor > probe > A1
[02:03:06] <chopper79> nope
[02:03:17] <chopper79> stays in that terminal
[02:03:19] <pfred1> maybe it died?
[02:03:33] <pfred1> OK nevermind try this startx
[02:04:03] <pfred1> you don't need a DM
[02:04:41] <archivist> Wolf_, no 5v->resistor -> probe and a0, other probe pin to gnd
[02:04:45] <pfred1> but if you have one it is nice if they work
[02:05:07] <chopper79> ok got deb gren screen...looks like a background
[02:05:21] <chopper79> and a cursor
[02:05:25] <pfred1> so you're in the GUI?
[02:05:27] <chopper79> green screen
[02:05:32] <Wolf_> oh ok
[02:05:36] <archivist> Wolf_, so your current wiring is effectively just that
[02:05:37] <chopper79> no icons, tool bar,
[02:05:53] <pfred1> does right clicking give you a menu?
[02:06:04] <chopper79> I can right click and get settings and background
[02:06:29] <archivist> Wolf_, so that is a documentation error...ooooops
[02:06:40] <pfred1> so it is an X sssion then?
[02:06:45] <chopper79> clicked settings and now I have the all settings menu
[02:07:51] <chopper79> No tool bar as it sees two monitors. Built in display and my AOC monitor.
[02:08:10] <pfred1> yeah i haven't gun anything but what i run in years so I am not familiar with whatever you've got going on
[02:08:10] <Wolf_> archivist: and yeah, that thing looks old inside
[02:08:11] <chopper79> Mint was the same way. Wonder if this HDD has something built in to it
[02:08:25] <pfred1> that's weird
[02:08:49] <pfred1> you have one screen but X thinks you have 2?
[02:08:56] <chopper79> yeah
[02:09:19] <pfred1> can you get a terminal started?
[02:09:26] <chopper79> I have a primary (bulit in) and secondary whihc is my monitor
[02:10:03] <archivist> Wolf_, but it is working so cannot arduino it....
[02:10:14] <pfred1> like a command window in X
[02:10:21] <pfred1> xterm something ilke that
[02:10:38] <Wolf_> archivist: yeah, but its giving me ideas, which might be bad lol
[02:11:08] <pfred1> a command line
[02:11:33] <Wolf_> sent comment to Trimos about manuals for it, will see of that happens
[02:11:56] <chopper79> can not find where to pull it up at. In settings there is no icon and I can not find oneanywhere else
[02:11:58] <pfred1> I had troubles in a recent Ubuntu bringing up a terminal
[02:12:19] <pfred1> I think ctrl+t or D brought one up?
[02:13:08] <chopper79> ok... I turned off built in and now I have desktop with tool bar etc
[02:13:15] <pfred1> sweet
[02:13:33] <chopper79> terminal open
[02:13:46] <pfred1> yeah I was going to try to figure out that monitor jazz
[02:13:59] <pfred1> we'll use the terminal for other things
[02:14:10] <chopper79> The HDD I am using came out of a laptop. Could that be the issue
[02:14:22] <chopper79> maybe something bulit in to the HDD
[02:14:27] <pfred1> I don't think so yo uerased it didn't you?
[02:14:33] <chopper79> yeah
[02:14:45] <pfred1> yeah it is just a blank disk
[02:15:11] <pfred1> OK first thing we want to do is get you out of this DE and into a better one
[02:15:20] <chopper79> the gui is slick on this
[02:15:30] <pfred1> I don't even know what you're running gnome I guess?
[02:15:36] <pfred1> oh you like it?
[02:15:48] <chopper79> command to find out>
[02:15:49] <chopper79> ?
[02:16:12] <chopper79> reminds me of an android phone
[02:16:14] <pfred1> well ps aux lists everything running
[02:16:43] <pfred1> so it sill be on that list I believe with the word session on the line?
[02:16:57] <pfred1> ps aux | grep session
[02:18:13] <chopper79> gnome session
[02:18:17] <pfred1> yeah
[02:18:27] <pfred1> you're running Gnome
[02:18:50] <pfred1> donno what to tell you about Gnome's DM
[02:19:00] <pfred1> it should have presented you with a login screen
[02:19:18] <chopper79> Ok.. Well I dont have to. Is there a global command to clean house while I sleep
[02:19:23] <pfred1> we got around that with the startx command in a terminal you shouldn't have ot do that though
[02:19:24] <chopper79> strip it down
[02:19:50] <pfred1> not that i know of you're going to have to prune htngs by hand
[02:20:06] <pfred1> I was hoping you could do a minimal install
[02:20:30] <pfred1> it is easier not to install stuff in the first place
[02:20:59] <chopper79> I hate to say this but I will start again tomorrow morning and look a the option more carefully.
[02:21:08] <pfred1> yeah not a bad idea
[02:21:15] <pfred1> but you like gnome
[02:21:21] <pfred1> heh
[02:21:49] <pfred1> LinuxCNC uses xfce by default now
[02:22:03] <pfred1> least the one I installed gave me that
[02:22:06] <chopper79> Then we can pick up again tomorrow. ....... Yes I like it, but I really just want boot to spalsh screen and then desktop and a text edit.
[02:22:18] <pfred1> yeah I don't blame you
[02:22:29] <pfred1> your DM sounded jacked up to me
[02:22:47] <chopper79> nothing else besides text edit and lcnc....
[02:23:02] <chopper79> Ok I will redo tomorrow morning while doing homework.
[02:23:05] <pfred1> I got ya
[02:23:22] <chopper79> Sorry to keep you at this for a failed atempt.
[02:23:27] <pfred1> nah that's OK
[02:23:33] <chopper79> I did learn something so Iguess it was not a failed night
[02:23:39] <pfred1> yeah me too
[02:23:43] <chopper79> So I thank you all
[02:23:48] <pfred1> you're welcome
[02:24:11] <pfred1> it is all in familarity
[02:24:15] <chopper79> I will redo tomorrow and will be on again tomorrow night.
[02:24:27] <pfred1> yeeah I'll come on IRC
[02:24:51] <chopper79> ok... Let the game continue then.
[02:25:05] <pfred1> I want to get this pcb2gcode stuff working
[02:25:20] <chopper79> Never could get that working at all
[02:25:28] <pfred1> yeah it doeesn't look easy
[02:25:37] <pfred1> I need yet another copy of boost for it
[02:25:46] <pfred1> like the 5 i have installed now just aren't quite enugh
[02:26:28] <pfred1> I could smack these developers for al lthe different deps they all need
[02:26:36] <IchGucksLive> hi from Germany
[02:26:41] <chopper79> Well got to be up in 3.5hrs so I need to hit the bed. Have a wonderful evening.
[02:26:50] <pfred1> IchGucksLive hello
[02:26:54] <pfred1> you too
[02:27:06] <chopper79> Guten mogen
[02:27:09] <chopper79> ich
[02:27:10] <pfred1> how are things in Germany?
[02:27:24] <IchGucksLive> foggy and non SubZero
[02:27:29] <chopper79> still
[02:27:50] <pfred1> we've had a warm winter so far here this year too
[02:27:58] <chopper79> dark, windy and 26 here
[02:27:59] <pfred1> global warming I hear
[02:28:11] <IchGucksLive> washington state against the president its so funny
[02:28:42] <IchGucksLive> pfred1: what is your problem on pcb2gcode
[02:28:48] <IchGucksLive> its so easy
[02:28:51] <IchGucksLive> unpack
[02:28:59] <IchGucksLive> make a layout
[02:29:01] <pfred1> I need another version of boost to compile it
[02:29:13] <IchGucksLive> run ulp and adyust the width to the max
[02:29:17] <pfred1> 1.57
[02:29:35] <IchGucksLive> eagle dont need to compile it
[02:29:50] <pfred1> I quit using Eagle
[02:30:05] <IchGucksLive> on ubuntu different thing on debian
[02:30:26] <pfred1> now I am beginning to use KiCAD
http://i.imgur.com/vyxO2DY.png
[02:31:24] <IchGucksLive> i dont like the libs in kicad as far as from 2012
[02:31:48] <pfred1> yeah KiCAD certainly has some rough edges
[02:32:02] <pfred1> I still have problems with libraries in it
[02:32:16] <pfred1> but I am slowly getting it all sorted out
[02:32:44] <pfred1> the better I get KiCAD working the more I like it
[02:33:06] <pfred1> some parts of Eagle i definitely like more though
[02:33:40] <pfred1> but I ran Eagle for a long time so I have a lot more practice with using it
[02:38:40] <IchGucksLive> and as Atocad took over it is a matter of time to be lost for the communitie
[02:39:10] <IchGucksLive> ok im off have a nice bitbreaking day
[02:39:16] <pfred1> yeah
[02:39:36] <pfred1> I'm out too getting chilly out here
[02:44:55] <Deejay> moin
[04:56:08] <XXCoder> boomy
[05:45:08] <jthornton> morning
[05:45:20] <XXCoder> hey jt
[06:40:38] <jthornton> 2 bats of itch left to go up in the roof
[06:41:03] <XXCoder> bats of itch sound like some crappy d and d monster
[06:41:07] <XXCoder> level 1
[06:47:40] <archivist_> level 2 is scratch
[06:49:00] <XXCoder> level 3 is you wll die scratching batrs
[06:49:50] <XXCoder> level 4 itch bats on fire
[09:41:25] <MacGalempsy> hi
[09:41:51] <chopper79> Morning
[09:42:53] <MacGalempsy> morning. you get all that physics hw done?
[09:43:47] <chopper79> yup, along with my calc and mechanisms
[09:44:04] <chopper79> all while being on here unitl 2 something AM
[09:44:46] <MacGalempsy> Wolf_: are you limiting the current to your probe with the arduino?
[09:44:46] <chopper79> I keep messing aroudn with the kernels and trying different things.
[09:45:27] <MacGalempsy> still not up and running, or tweaking a working setup?
[09:46:10] <chopper79> not running..... I am gonna buy a HDD from JT-Shop and will continue this task.
[09:47:09] <chopper79> My mint build had latency of 4071992 and the normal wheezy install is 39477. These were all on the servo thread
[09:47:11] <MacGalempsy> That sounds like the easiest option
[09:47:26] <MacGalempsy> did you turn off all the power saving functions in the bios?
[09:47:29] <chopper79> yes
[09:48:57] <chopper79> So now I am doing a minimal install..... debian base with a small DE that consists of a toolbar, file manager, and text editor. Not a single other program on the system. Then I will load lcnc and see what happens.
[09:49:09] <chopper79> testing is fun
[09:49:45] <MacGalempsy> what is wrong with wheezy?
[09:50:04] <MacGalempsy> that number right there would have me pushing forward without mint
[09:51:07] <MacGalempsy> admittingly my limited use of mint does make it seem better than the standard iso from lcnc
[09:51:17] <chopper79> nothing.... I will use wheezy for now. I am getting mint install just because. The build I am doing now is testing with a bare minimum system and DE
[09:52:23] <chopper79> I love mint for personal use. Never used it for lcnc. I may have the wrong builds. I used the latest mint 32bit Mate and the latest RT kernal 4.9.6rt
[09:52:34] <chopper79> May be to soon to use that one
[10:05:41] <jymmm> CaptHindsight: What intro welder (110V ???) did you recommend/suggest?
[10:06:31] <jymmm> CaptHindsight: BTW the $89 HF does work, just the feed mech is crap
[10:06:56] <roycroft> i recommend none, and i have a 110v gmaw welder
[10:07:37] <roycroft> mine's a little lincoln electric model, and i keep meaning to replace it with something a bit more powerful
[10:08:06] <roycroft> the biggest drawback, though, is not the lack of amperage, but the lack of granularity in power output
[10:08:48] <roycroft> i would get something with continuously variable output control, instead of a selector switch
[10:09:08] <roycroft> mine has 6 or 7 settings for output power, and i almost always need something in between two settings
[10:09:21] <roycroft> so i'm always welding suboptimally
[10:09:40] <roycroft> at least the wire feed on mine is continuously variable
[10:11:02] <jymmm> Well, price is a big issue. I took this welder (borrowed from neighbor) to a professional dive welder and he made some adjustments and laid down a nice weld, and then I was able to do the same. At least until the feed mucked up and then I couldn't even get a puddle as it was so intermitant.
[10:13:26] <roycroft> this is supposed to be decent, but i've not used it:
[10:13:28] <roycroft> http://www.everlastgenerators.com/product/mig/power-i-mig-140e
[10:13:31] <roycroft> it's $499
[10:13:32] <roycroft> er
[10:13:34] <roycroft> $399
[10:14:17] <roycroft> iirc my lincoln electric was $300 without the shield gas hookup
[10:14:29] <roycroft> and then another $150 for the gas stuff
[10:15:00] <roycroft> the everlast does have a continuously variable voltage adjustment
[10:15:24] <roycroft> watch the duty cycle on it, though
[10:15:32] <roycroft> but that's the case with all the smaller welders
[10:18:06] <pcw_home> chopper79: As I mentioned before I have had dreadful latency with Preempt-RT versions > 4.1.x on older hardware
[10:19:18] <roycroft> i installed a preempt-rt kernel last night
[10:19:23] <roycroft> 4.1.15-rt17
[10:19:31] <roycroft> i'm getting about 50k latency
[10:20:45] <roycroft> however, when i run the latency test i get an error at the beginning - unexpected realtime delay on task 0
[10:21:40] <roycroft> i haven't spent much time researching that yet, as it was late at night when i got it going, but it's a bit disconcerting on the surface
[10:24:21] <pcw_home> A real time error would be expected with the latency test and 50K latency
[10:24:23] <pcw_home> (if you run the default test and dont disable the base thread)
[10:24:51] <roycroft> i also haven't installed the non-free driver for my network adapter yet (realtek)
[10:24:59] <roycroft> and i get a lot of network errors
[10:25:22] <roycroft> i should probably install that driver and see if latency decreases
[10:25:52] <roycroft> my reading tells me that as long as i'm using a mesa 5i25 50k latency is not horrible - is that correct?
[10:26:08] <roycroft> with a parallel port i think i'd have some problems
[10:26:24] <pcw_home> 100K is fine for our hardware (500K if you use a config with the DPLL)
[10:26:39] <roycroft> thanks, that's what i thought
[10:28:19] <pcw_home> latency-histogram --nobase
[10:28:21] <pcw_home> for example
[10:28:46] <roycroft> since it was late at night, i didn't do anything about hte network driver, but i did start up halrun and confirmed that i could talk to the 5i25
[10:28:50] <pcw_home> (to check servo thread only latency)
[10:29:24] <roycroft> i'm not near the console of that machine at the moment, but noted
[10:30:05] <CaptHindsight> jymmm: I don't really have a suggestion for any at that size. The small Lincolns are the best that I had ever tried but they are 3-4x the HF models
[10:30:25] <CaptHindsight> Hobart makes some small 110V units as well
[10:44:56] <Wolf_> MacGalempsy: 5v->resistor -> probe and a0, other probe pin to gnd
[10:45:09] <Wolf_> I had mine hooked up wrong
[10:45:23] <MacGalempsy> thanks, archivist was just filling me in with the circuitry on the other channel
[10:45:36] <Wolf_> ahh cool
[10:47:13] <archivist> MacGalempsy, also a resistor does not reduce the open circuit voltage
[10:53:28] <Deejay> re
[11:08:29] <MacGalempsy> archivist: ok, thanks.
[11:11:04] <Wolf_> oh and about the diy probe shank stuff,
https://www.tormach.com/uploads/images/Gallery/products/tts/miscellaneous_tts_tools/32432_3-4_TTS_Adapter_MG_9203.jpg
[11:13:36] <MacGalempsy> Wolf_: that looks like the right thing, but was thinking that with the right dia. arbor and a pocket on the bottom to mount the trinket
[11:14:01] <MacGalempsy> one unit to bolt onto the top of the tp1s
[11:14:10] <Wolf_> yup, thats just a shrink fit ring for a 3/4 shank tool
[11:15:53] <MacGalempsy> do you think the shank needs to be steel? I guess prototyping in aluminum would be a good start
[11:16:39] <Wolf_> with the pull from a R8 collet holding it, I would go with steel
[11:17:12] <MacGalempsy> ok.
[11:20:10] <archivist_> I shall do another version of the fartuino code for battery and RF as in should have something like a fixed latency trigger point to signal
[11:21:31] <Wolf_> so, this Trimos thing, I wonder how it knows where it is
[11:21:54] <Wolf_> not sure what its reading
[11:22:28] <archivist_> I am guessing an optical scale inside the column
[11:23:36] <Wolf_> big ass counterweight inside the column
[11:23:49] <Wolf_> with metal band connecting it
[11:24:22] <archivist_> is it on the face then
[11:24:30] <Wolf_> there is what looks like a copper grid behind the head/metal shield
[11:24:37] <archivist_> follow the wires :)
[11:24:57] <Wolf_> wires go to the dial that doesn’t do anything
[11:25:17] <archivist_> read head of some sort
[11:26:36] <archivist_> there being a number of non contact read heads like on calipers
[11:27:43] <Wolf_> I still want to know what the number dial is for lol
[11:27:55] <Wolf_> and the preset button that doesn’t do anything
[11:34:55] <Wolf_> and I still need to get that stuck stylus mount out
[11:35:13] <sync_> 1" impact will deal with it
[11:35:53] <Wolf_> I wish, or I would have gone and got it
[11:37:24] <Wolf_> http://i.imgur.com/6Wel6K9.jpg I got it to move about 2mm out and that has been it
[11:37:41] <Wolf_> and can’t hammer on it because the carriage is on bearings
[11:37:45] <roycroft> is anyone from gecko on this channel?
[11:38:15] <gene_> LinuxCNC team, hello and a pre thanks for your assistance! That said, I am at work... working... with limited web browser time, and limited access to the computer with the Mesa card
[11:38:58] <gene_> Therefore, could someone provide me a bullet list on how to setup the mesa card in Linux, wire one stepper driver so I can see some motion
[11:39:54] <gene_> I have a 5i23 and 7I44, steppers and drivers. please help and sorry if I do not respond to questions fast. Many thanks!!!!!
[11:44:46] <MacGalempsy> should I make my cycle stop button abort or pause. any preferences out there?
[11:46:33] <gene_> Please help PCW_mesa or JTShop
[11:47:30] <archivist_> gene_, use the pncconf or whatever its called to get a basic setup
[11:47:53] <gene_> and I would find that in the drop down menu??? or??
[11:48:49] <archivist_> it is a separate program
[11:53:07] <roycroft> open a terminal window and type "pncconf"
[11:59:44] <MacGalempsy> gene_: are you using the standard distribution?
[12:02:35] <gene_> I installed from the liveCD. thanks for the info on pncconf.
[12:03:01] <MacGalempsy> there is also a section in the manual that covers the pncconf process
[12:03:57] <MacGalempsy> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/config/pncconf.html
[12:04:13] <gene_> please confirm this is the "best" decoder ring for getting up and running?
http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/config/pncconf.html#_step_by_step_instructions
[12:04:50] <gene_> many thanks team!!!!
[12:08:30] <MacGalempsy> gene_: you will notice a limited amount of components in the drop-down menus. once you get the basic configuration with pncconf, then it will be up to you to edit the necessary files to active the rest of you machine
[12:08:59] <MacGalempsy> btw. that is what I am doing right now
[12:12:20] <gene_> Assuming I get the pncconf right...................... can someone confirm I can connect directly from the 7I44 to the stepper driver(s)?
[12:15:29] <archivist> not enough info or manuals at hand to answer
[12:16:45] <IchGucksLive> hi
[12:17:22] <JT-Shop> the 7i44 is a RS422 breakout card, you plug other smart serial cards to that
[12:17:55] <IchGucksLive> gene_ why not the 7i92
[12:18:01] <IchGucksLive> Ethernet direct
[12:18:15] <IchGucksLive> parport to Interfaceboard
[12:19:25] <IchGucksLive> gene_
http://www.ebay.de/itm/CNC-5-Axis-Interface-Breakout-Board-fur-Stepper-Motor-Driver-CNC-Mill-MACH3/262500063058
[12:19:37] <IchGucksLive> this is running best to go at best price
[12:20:18] <MarkusBec> IchGucksLive: 2 broken out of 4
[12:20:24] <MarkusBec> doa
[12:20:45] <IchGucksLive> oh i got now around 60 runniong and no failue
[12:20:53] <IchGucksLive> beside one EXPLODE
[12:21:04] <IchGucksLive> 24V on 5V in is not that good
[12:21:30] <IchGucksLive> the koppler relai did mismatch the voltige
[12:21:40] <MarkusBec> 1 had bad soldering
[12:21:59] <MarkusBec> the other only works if you cool the ICs with coldspray
[12:22:08] <IchGucksLive> or simply one pluged a single relai into trhe double socket
[12:22:37] <IchGucksLive> i might see differents if it gets summer here
[12:22:56] <IchGucksLive> but the schools offen got holiday during the hot seeson
[12:23:12] <gene_> JT-Shop - The 5i23 and 7i44 is what I purchased 5 years ago. it is what it is unless you want to purchase from me. So, do I need more mesa equipment?
[12:23:17] <IchGucksLive> MarkusBec: you may buy the bed ones
[12:24:43] <IchGucksLive> 5years is a long time
[12:24:54] <IchGucksLive> the 3D printers changed everything
[12:25:22] <IchGucksLive> RAMP full 5Axis at 20USD including PC_Monitor_Drivers_amps and cables
[12:52:23] <IchGucksLive> Jt-
[12:52:32] <IchGucksLive> are you shippiong to germany ?
[12:58:39] <gene_> PCW - JT - I would like confirmation that I can use 5i23 + 7i44 and plug directly in to stepper driver with no additional cards etc. many thanks!!
[13:00:40] <IchGucksLive> gene_ NO that does not work
[13:00:50] <roycroft> i think you want a 7i76 for that
[13:01:05] <roycroft> or a smart serial card to plug into one of your 7i44 ports
[13:01:27] <IchGucksLive> gene_ its only a connection transmitter you got no BREAKout
[13:02:03] <IchGucksLive> gene_ Why not going for a new Ethernet instead of PCI
[13:04:16] <IchGucksLive> 7i76E woudt be best joice
[13:04:24] <IchGucksLive> choice
[13:09:13] <IchGucksLive> Motioncontrol: is the motion still in control
[13:09:49] <IchGucksLive> ;-)
[13:10:23] <Motioncontrol> IchGucksLive, yes the controll is running and closed loop -)
[13:10:26] <IchGucksLive> How Bad is the new PD firering a long working womean 4days bevor she gets pencioned
[13:10:50] <IchGucksLive> closed loop is best but most pricy
[13:10:59] <IchGucksLive> expensiv
[13:11:40] <IchGucksLive> looking at TB6600 (usd and BOB 4usd :o
[13:11:49] <JT-Shop> gene_: when I first build my plasma I had a 5i20 and connected the Gecko steppers step and direction directly to the 5i20
[13:12:29] <IchGucksLive> JT-Shop no com errors on that
[13:12:30] * JT-Shop has the the ole Samson lathe shining like a diamond in a goats a..
[13:12:43] <JT-Shop> winds are calm, sun is out, time to fly the foamy
[13:13:42] <roycroft> cold and overcast here again today
[13:13:50] <IchGucksLive> here the plasmas are on 7i76
[13:13:56] <roycroft> we were supposed to have sun and seasonably warm weather all week
[13:14:03] <roycroft> now there is snow in the forecast on the morrow
[13:14:27] <IchGucksLive> snow is of here from today
[13:14:48] <IchGucksLive> as jesusAlos sends hot cloudts from spain to germany
[13:24:19] <MacGalempsy> will chaning the MAX VEL require a change to PID tuning?
[13:25:04] <MacGalempsy> basically, the max is 200ipm, but I dont want to start out that fast, trying to avoid a high speed crash if something goes wrong
[13:25:06] <pcw_mesa> gene_: You can use a 5I23 to drive step/dir drives directly (though you need to be careful)
[13:25:08] <pcw_mesa> the 7I44 is a 8 Channel RS422 interface, though it could be used to drive 4 axis of step/dir, that would be pretty awkward
[13:25:09] <pcw_mesa> A 7I47 or 7I52S would be a better daughtercard that provides 5V buffered differential step/dir signals
[13:30:27] <lunada> quick question... is it kosher to connect iocontrol.0.tool-prep-number to mod-dir.0.desired and a classicladder counter to mod-dir.0.actual and use mod-dir.0.on-target to stop my turret in classicladder when it rotates to the desired tool?
[13:33:18] <lunada> doesnt seem to work, but it could be something else. mod-dir.0.on-target is true all the time for some reason, and the signal for iocontrol.0.tool-prep-number and mod-dir.0.desired is zero
[13:36:10] <IchGucksLive> did you check mod-dir.0.on-target electric connect
[13:36:33] <IchGucksLive> if the signal comes in
[13:36:40] <IchGucksLive> maybe wrong wire
[13:36:51] <IchGucksLive> im off Gn8
[13:45:20] <jymmm> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=cPp1_jOe8Xk#t=623
[13:49:57] <lunada> there's no wires, its all in ladder
[13:55:40] <lunada> oooh i found the carousel component.
[13:55:50] <lunada> that might work better
[13:59:08] <lunada> in the carousel component, position encoding.... i have a single switch that triggers everytime i rotate one tool position. i would assume the "encoding" would be set to single?
[13:59:30] <lunada> or index?
[14:29:20] <jensor> Why doesn't net xisselected axisui.jog.x=>parport.1.pin-02-out work?
[14:30:13] <jensor> axis bombs out
[14:30:39] <jensor> The axis display doesn't come up>
[14:31:19] <jensor> # comment out the line and it worksnok
[14:31:41] <jensor> # comment out the line and it works .ok
[14:31:56] <jensor> # comment out the line and it works ok.
[14:33:14] <cradek> assuming your transcription is accurate and those pins exist, the problem is the missing whitespace between words
[14:35:57] <jensor> according to manual 11.9 Axisui Pins there is a pin defined as axisui.jog.x
[14:36:11] <Simonious> http://oi65.tinypic.com/wk1tsw.jpg How do I get the crossbar to be centered in space above the baseplate here? I've tried quite a few mates and the only one that worked was the one that fixes the distance above the baseplate.
[14:36:38] <jensor> Whitespace in the statement is placed as it should be as far as I can tell.
[14:36:52] <Simonious> I hoped to do an edge select on each part and select center, so in my mind two more mates should do it, but.. I haven't been able to make that work yet.
[14:42:37] <CaptHindsight> the brilliant supplier of a M.2 SSD to PCIe adapter included mounting screws with a length equal to the thickness of its PCB
[14:43:21] <CaptHindsight> guess I need to get a screw stretcher now
[14:44:03] <CaptHindsight> do they make negative depth nuts for capturing screws that are too short?
[14:44:15] <cradek> you can sure model them
[14:48:52] <jensor> "net xisselected axisui.jog.x => parport.1.pin-02-out" doesn't work either.
[14:49:09] <cradek> what is the error?
[14:50:20] <jensor> I don't really know how to find it dmesg is very long - no clue to me.
[14:50:58] <cradek> I think a hal error would be in the terminal output, not dmesg
[14:51:45] <Simonious> dmesg | grep <some key word here>
[14:51:46] <Simonious> ?
[14:55:06] <JT-Shop> Simonious: if that is SolidWorks I draw construction lines on the bottom of the top part and on top of the bottom part in the shape of X but aligned to the edges then mate that
[14:55:30] <JT-Shop> that way you can just change the dimensions to move it
[14:56:04] <_methods> Simonious: you can use advanced mate>width
[14:56:24] <_methods> then click on the 2 edges you want it between and the 2 edges of the part you want to use to center it up
[14:56:30] <Simonious> _methods: trying that
[14:56:40] <_methods> well not 2 eges 2 faces
[14:56:51] <_methods> you can use edges but i'd use faces if possible
[14:58:51] <Simonious> hmm.. trying all sorts of selection combinations.. still doing that
[15:01:51] <jensor> You are so right there in the terminal output "pin axisui.jog.x" does not exist. next question is why doesn't it
[15:01:57] <Simonious> wow, had to watch a video
[15:01:59] <jensor> exist?
[15:02:04] <Simonious> solidworks is good at making things counterintuitive
[15:02:15] <Simonious> I'd have gone with centerpoints on the lines and aligned them
[15:02:22] <Simonious> but no.. they want you to select the ENDS of the part
[15:02:22] <jensor> > You are so right there in the terminal output "pin axisui.jog.x" does not exist. next question is why doesn't it exist?
[15:02:58] <Simonious> thanks _methods that got me there :)
[15:03:20] <jensor> I thought Axisui was included in the basic setup. What should I do to include it?
[15:03:39] <cradek> are you doing this in the postgui hal file like it says here?
http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gui/axis.html#_advanced_configuration
[15:03:54] <cradek> [otherwise the pins won't exist yet]
[15:04:28] <_methods> cool
[15:08:16] <jensor> What doI need to add to The Display section. A copy of mine here:
http://pastebin.com/04eay5Rj
[15:16:33] <jensor> The Display section Doesn't mention anything about "[HAL]POSTGUI_HALFILE".
[15:17:55] <jensor> Should the command be something like "[HAL]POSTGUI_HALFILE= axisui
[15:18:03] <JT-Shop> that goes in the [HAL] section not the display section
[15:18:30] <JT-Shop> no just place it after the [HAL] tag
[15:18:43] <JT-Shop> POSTGUI_HAL=somefilename.hal
[15:24:52] <jensor> In my hal section i have "POSTGUI_HALFILE = AxisSelection.hal". Shouldn't that define it?
[15:26:01] <jensor> How can I find that file? What would be the path to it?
[15:28:55] <jensor> I would assume it should be in the same directory as the ini file. Don't see it there. I thought it was in the axis boiler plate.
[15:37:23] <MacGalempsy> sweetness. just got the pyvcp test panel done.
[15:37:48] <JT-Shop> all configuration files are in the same directory except for some simulations
[15:42:14] <lunada> i'm looking for an explanation of the encoding types in this link:
http://linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/html/man/man9/carousel.9.html
[15:43:14] <lunada> can anyone help? i have a single switch that is triggered once per tool position. i assume i need encoding type single?
[15:50:50] <jensor> On this page in the manual
http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gui/axis.html#_user_command_file Section 11.9. Axisui Pins
[15:51:26] <jensor> It refers to Manual Control Tag. What is that?
[15:51:42] <JT-Shop> lunada: sounds right to me
[15:53:28] <jensor> The way I understand what I read that Axisui is included in the axis interface, but apparently it isn't.
[15:55:59] <JT-Shop> sure it is
[15:56:47] <JT-Shop> run Axis and click on Show Hal Configuration and then expand Pins
[15:58:57] <jensor> ok
[16:03:15] <jensor> Yes the pin I'm looking for is listed
[16:04:13] <jensor> However if try to put "net xisselected axisui.jog.x => parport.1.pin-02-out" , I get an error saying that pin doesn't exist.
[16:04:19] <roycroft> as an aside, i think i'll have an easier time working from the command line and editing text files while configuring hal/debugging my hal config
[16:04:29] <roycroft> i'm very happy there are command line tools for that
[16:05:29] <jensor> I'm putting that command in my stepperpinout.hal file
[16:06:12] <lunada> Thanks Jt-Shop
[16:08:31] <pfred1> jensor tattoo it on your forehead!
[16:09:11] <jensor> I don't understand.
[16:10:24] <jensor> When I put that command in the hal file I get an error saying pin doesn't exist
[16:10:50] <jensor> axis closes with that error
[16:12:10] <JT-Shop> which pin?
[16:12:28] <jensor> axisui.jog.x
[16:13:48] <JT-Shop> that has to be in a post gui hal file
[16:15:16] <jensor> Do I have specify it by "[HAL]POSTGUI_HALFILE= axisui" in the HAL section of the ini?
[16:17:10] <JT-Shop> no, POSTGUI_HALFILE=somefilename.hal and any pins that are created by the gui must be coded in somefilename.hal
[16:17:57] <JT-Shop> and you put POSTGUI_HALFILE=somefilename.hal on a line by itself AFTER [HAL]
[16:18:47] <jensor> WEll why when I run Show Hal Configuration and then expand Pins I see it listed but can't use it in a statement in a hal file without gettig the error?
[16:20:43] <jensor> The error that it doesn't exist however in Show hal configuration it is there?
[16:24:16] <JT-Shop2> yes because your trying to connect to the pin before it is created
[16:24:41] <JT-Shop2> ALL gui pins must be connected to AFTER the gui loads
[16:25:30] <pfred1> thus spake JT-Shop2
[16:26:32] <pfred1> Richard Strauss: "Also sprach Zarathustra" op.30
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5bU7ibqGko
[16:26:48] <JT-Shop2> qué
[16:26:51] <FAalbers> Wheeeeee !!!!
[16:26:51] <FAalbers> https://gfycat.com/AdmirableHopefulIlladopsis
[16:26:51] <FAalbers> https://gfycat.com/BlackandwhiteAliveDavidstiger
[16:26:51] <FAalbers> https://gfycat.com/BarrenAbleElephant
[16:27:08] <FAalbers> Oops ! Sorry ! Wrong channel !
[16:27:14] <JT-Shop2> lol
[16:28:52] <jensor> So I must add POSTGUI_HALFILE = axisui.hal then create this file, and I'm not sure what to put in the file.
[16:30:26] <jensor> or is this where the statement "net xisselected axisui.jog.x => parport.1.pin-02-out" goes?
[16:30:43] <JT-Shop2> I would not use a system name like axisui but rather call it postgui.hal
[16:30:47] <JT-Shop2> yes
[16:31:10] <jensor> okay, I, get it. tahnks.
[16:31:50] <JT-Shop2> yippie!
[16:49:51] <Deejay> gn8
[17:02:20] <lunada> is there anything that i could be doing wrong that would prevent iocontrol.0.tool-prep-number from putputting a value?
[17:02:52] <lunada> outputting*
[17:06:42] <JT-Shop2> did you put T some tool number in the MDI or your G code?
[17:06:50] <JT-Shop2> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/man/man1/iocontrol.1.html
[17:27:28] <Roguish> hey anyone know what the kerf width is for waterjet thru 1" aluminum?
[17:35:44] <JT-Shop2> what's up Roguish?
[17:36:13] <Roguish> got a large plate to put lots of holes and cutout in.
[17:36:31] <Roguish> a feed system for an induction heat treater
[17:37:43] <Roguish> i want to use the cut out pieces for 'slides' where they are cut out from. so, how much 'slop' do i get between the cutout and the slide?
[17:38:09] <Roguish> reading now, seems like its pretty small, lik,e .03 or less
[17:39:57] <lunada> jt-shop2, yes
[17:40:10] <BeachBumPete> I have machined a lot of waterjet cut plate in a job shop I worked in. it is often the case that the walls are not exactly square to the surface. I do not recall the width of the jet offhand but it is not tiny like an EDM
[17:41:06] <lunada> for some reason it seems that it might be caused by the iocontrol.0.tool-changed pin being set true
[17:41:29] <sync_> 5 axis waterjets will produce pretty straight walls but they all require quite a lot of distance between the parts
[17:41:36] <lunada> i cant for the life of me figure out why it's setting that pin true, even when i eliminate it from my hal file
[17:44:06] <JT-Shop2> lunada: do you still have the tool change bits in your main hal file?
[17:44:28] <lunada> they are #'d out
[17:46:44] <JT-Shop2> make sure you didn't miss iocontrol.0.tool-prepared
[17:51:29] <lunada> that one will cause iocontrol.0.tool-changed to set true?
[17:52:46] <JT-Shop2> yes
[17:53:43] <JT-Shop2> Roguish: got the last bit of itch up on the roof, only thing left is the gable ends but that just got put off by a down payment for a small test machine
[17:54:37] <Roguish> small test machine???? what the heck? is this a hobby shop or a pro shop???
[17:54:52] <Roguish> you're gonna make the rest of us look silly
[17:56:20] <JT-Shop2> pro shop lol, it's a machine to test the assembly of parts on a pole saw cover
[17:56:55] <Roguish> pole saw? you mean a chain saw on a stick? love those things....
[17:57:46] <Roguish> well, keep the photos comin'
[17:58:23] <Roguish> i'm getting a little work on my elbow tomorrow. moving a nerve that got wacked when I was hit on my bike last may.
[17:58:40] <Roguish> at least i'll get some good drugs....
[17:58:48] <JT-Shop2> hope it comes out good
[17:59:13] <JT-Shop2> that when the idiot ran you off the road?
[17:59:21] <Roguish> it should. pretty minor for surgeries. in and out in a few hours.
[18:00:22] <Roguish> yes, the dumb young woman with no immigration papers. or insurance. fortunately to car owner has insurance.
[18:00:55] <Roguish> to / the /
[18:01:31] <lunada> you must be in California
[18:06:57] <Roguish> yes i am
[18:07:02] <Roguish> Bay Area.
[18:07:11] <lunada> So if i # out the line with iocontrol.0.tool-prepared, it doesnt seem to ever make iocontrol.0.toolchange true
[18:07:39] <lunada> i'm in San Diego
[18:08:50] <lunada> that just seems to be a trend around here
[18:10:07] <JT-Shop2> lunada: what are you trying to do?
[18:11:28] <lunada> long story short, i'm trying to get my mill's toolchanger working, using classicladder and the carousel component.
[18:15:34] <JT-Shop2> sorry I know nothing about the carousel component and Andy doesn't seem to be around
[18:18:44] <lunada> no worries. it doesnt seem to be related to the carousel component though, because it did the same thing without it
[18:20:00] <JT-Shop2> what part are you doing in classicladder?
[18:21:25] <lunada> homing the magazine, lowering the carousel and moving it forward, releasing the tool, and the reverse of all of that.
[18:21:45] <JT-Shop2> ah ok, that makes sense
[18:22:08] <JT-Shop2> so have you seen my classicladder tool change simulator?
[18:22:13] <lunada> it's gotta be hal related
[18:22:23] <lunada> it's for a hardinge?
[18:22:59] <JT-Shop2> well I have a hardinge CHNC as well with the config for that tool carousel
[18:24:18] <lunada> http://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/ladder/index.html
[18:24:23] <lunada> thats the one i saw
[18:25:59] <JT-Shop2> you have a hardinge chnc?
[18:26:13] <JT-Shop2> http://gnipsel.com/shop/hardinge/hardinge.xhtml
[18:26:18] <lunada> no i have a lagun mill
[18:26:34] <JT-Shop2> ah ok
[18:26:52] <JT-Shop2> http://gnipsel.com/files/linuxcnc/configs/cl-turret-sim.zip
[18:27:04] <JT-Shop2> look at the turret sim for ideas
[18:30:22] <lunada> thanks... none of that really looks much different than i have... there must be some stupid thing that im not seeing
[18:30:42] <lunada> i'll go through it again and see if i can figure it out
[18:30:57] <JT-Shop2> yea it's all in the details
[18:31:21] <JT-Shop2> I like to add a line test, repeat
[18:31:31] <lunada> i had a config file from my old mill and i used a lot from that
[18:31:40] <lunada> then i rewrote it
[18:32:42] <lunada> my old config used modmath for chosing the direction of the carousel
[18:33:52] <lunada> couldnt get that to work either.... it would change the tool-changed pin from false to true in the middle of the toolchange for no reason that i could find... i even removed the pin all together and it would still do it
[18:34:37] <JT-Shop2> prob your ladder then, let me find my example of sequential ladder programming
[18:35:15] <JT-Shop2> https://forum.linuxcnc.org/25-classicladder/32099-benchman-xt-20-tool-atc?start=10
[18:35:20] <MacGalempsy> JT-Shop2on the 7i77 Field power, do all 4 field powers need to have power to them?
[18:35:21] <JT-Shop2> bullet proof
[18:35:34] <JT-Shop2> they are jumpered internally
[18:36:04] <roycroft> i think they're intended to be 1 in, 3 out, macgalempsy
[18:36:56] <MacGalempsy> ok
[18:37:29] <MacGalempsy> well most of the connections are made and testing ok
[18:37:40] <JT-Shop2> cool
[18:37:48] * JT-Shop2 wanders inside
[18:37:56] <lunada> thanks jt-shop2, i'm reading it now
[18:40:33] <JT-Shop2> say goodnight Gracie
[18:40:48] <BeachBumPete> Hey folks
[18:41:12] <BeachBumPete> I was just rummaing thru my boxes of stuff from our move to Florida
[18:41:35] <BeachBumPete> still have a bunch of stuff that I have NOT unpacked but its mostly just junk I gotta go thru
[18:41:42] <BeachBumPete> BUT
[18:41:55] <BeachBumPete> I opened a small box and found something I forgot I had
[18:42:11] <BeachBumPete> I had a friend mail me a link to Niagara Cutters website
[18:42:45] <BeachBumPete> they apparently give away a really cool little slide rule kind of feed and speed calculator as a promotional device
[18:42:57] <BeachBumPete> I opened that box and found it sitting there
[18:43:09] <BeachBumPete> Have not really had a chance to look at it but this thing is pretty neat
[18:43:30] <BeachBumPete> Here is a link to the calculator if anyone wants to try to get one..
[18:43:42] <BeachBumPete> http://www.niagaracutter.com/speed-feed-slide
[18:45:17] <BeachBumPete> on the back it gives you SFPM based on endmill size and some information about their particular endmills
[18:46:01] <BeachBumPete> on the front it has three slides that give you feed per tooth,spindle speed, stock removal calculations etc. etc.
[18:46:10] <lunada> i have a small booklet with that stuff in it that ive had for nearly 20 years
[18:46:14] <BeachBumPete> Its pretty neat so I thought I would share it with you guys.
[18:46:23] <lunada> i got it from niagra as well
[18:46:29] <BeachBumPete> Of course man there are other sources
[18:46:44] <BeachBumPete> but this is free and kinda cool
[18:47:10] <lunada> oh i'm just saying theyve always been good with that stuff.... the slide rule is cool
[18:47:34] <lunada> maybe ill get one to replace my book
[18:47:48] <BeachBumPete> it is better than I thought it would be honestly
[18:48:02] <BeachBumPete> its made from a kind of coated thick cardboard
[18:48:10] <BeachBumPete> comes in a plastic sheath
[18:48:33] <BeachBumPete> I think I will get some good use out of it. I am not expert with feeds and speeds that much is clear.
[19:02:38] <MacGalempsy> hmmm. so I am not getting output from the 7i84
[19:04:11] <Roguish> BeachBumPete: hey I just ordered one of those spped/feed slide things the other day !!!
[19:04:36] <MacGalempsy> think I got it
[19:04:39] <BeachBumPete> hehe coincidences never cease
[19:04:48] <BeachBumPete> it is actually pretty cool
[19:05:40] <BeachBumPete> one of the things I can never remember is the recommended SFPM for various materials and it is right there on the back.
[19:05:53] <BeachBumPete> Definitely worth having
[19:08:41] <BeachBumPete> http://i.imgur.com/gR7nUZt.jpg
[19:08:45] <Roguish> hope so. i definitely need something like that.
[19:08:47] <BeachBumPete> This is a photo of the back of it
[19:08:59] <Roguish> neat
[19:09:33] <BeachBumPete> its kinda based on thier particular cutters but its a good starting point on the back anyway
[19:10:03] <BeachBumPete> it gives recommended feed per tooth and SFPM on the bottom there
[19:11:03] <andypugh> My 1000 rpm spindle makes that all a bit irrelevant.
[19:11:24] <pfred1> andypugh nah you can just use the right diameter cutter
[19:11:31] <BeachBumPete> sure
[19:11:45] <andypugh> (1000 rpm is top speed, bottom speed tops-out at _45_ rpm. It’s unstoppable at 3 rpm…)
[19:12:23] <BeachBumPete> it really does not matter what the top speed is its still feed per tooth and feedrate
[19:12:38] <pfred1> andypugh just chuck a 3/8s bit in there and you're golden
[19:12:38] <andypugh> Basically it’s a horizontal miller with a vertical head, and horizontal cutters are big.
[19:12:39] <BeachBumPete> but of course you know that
[19:14:14] <andypugh> Bother! FSwizard has disappeared.
[19:16:57] <andypugh> 1000rpm is right at 5/8”, not 3/8”
[19:17:38] <andypugh> My 45 rpm speed is correct for a 14” cutter. :-)
[19:17:42] <pfred1> 163 SFPM
[19:18:17] <BeachBumPete> can you put a VFD on it and kinda overclock it a bit?
[19:18:17] <MacGalempsy> ok. just about everything is functional. however, I got a couple of new relays and when I go to activate one the mesa card gives errors (27) over current and (8) remote fault.
[19:18:18] <pfred1> I generally stick closer to 100 SFPM myself
[19:18:40] <BeachBumPete> pfred1 for what?
[19:18:44] <pfred1> steel
[19:18:57] <BeachBumPete> what kind of steel?
[19:19:03] <andypugh> BeachBumPete: The plan is to make a bracket for a high-speed spindle to mount on the overarm.
[19:19:03] <pfred1> mild steel
[19:19:28] <andypugh> I was calculating based on aluminium
[19:19:31] <BeachBumPete> mild steel is like 50-250
[19:19:34] <pfred1> oh
[19:19:46] <pfred1> mild steel is 100 SFPM with HSS cutters
[19:19:52] <BeachBumPete> andypugh that sounds like a good idea
[19:20:10] <BeachBumPete> I try to avoid cutting steel with HSS cutters
[19:20:22] <pfred1> yeah well
[19:20:33] <sync_> since I found inserts that work well im my lathe I just run it flat out at 1600 rpm
[19:20:37] <sync_> and that is still too slow
[19:20:45] <pfred1> we all don't have your kind of deep pockets I guess
[19:20:52] <sync_> gonna crank up the vfd
[19:20:56] <BeachBumPete> what does my pockets have to do with it?
[19:21:06] <BeachBumPete> and you could not be more wrong on that one ;)
[19:21:41] <BeachBumPete> 1600 on a lathe is not really all that slow I think even tho there are lathes that go a good bit faster
[19:22:14] <sync_> well, for smaller stuff it is incredibly slow
[19:22:26] <sync_> closer to 4000 would be good
[19:22:28] <BeachBumPete> sure it really depends on that
[19:22:34] <BeachBumPete> SFPM
[19:22:44] <sync_> all of the surface speeds
[19:22:48] <BeachBumPete> I SUCK at lathe SFPM
[19:23:04] <andypugh> My lathe goes to 3000 rpm
[19:23:06] <BeachBumPete> I just set it at what looks right to me and start cutting
[19:23:29] <andypugh> I use CSS mode in LinuxCNC. Makes it easy.
[19:24:14] <BeachBumPete> yeah man cannot wait to try it myself
[19:24:23] <andypugh> Anyway, I ought to be asleep.
[19:24:26] <BeachBumPete> I need to get my azz out there and do some more work on the lathe
[19:29:14] <sync_> yeah css is nice, but I just run the lathe flat out all the time :D
[19:29:39] <BeachBumPete> heh
[19:30:04] <pfred1> that's how I use my CNC engraver it is too slow at top speed
[19:30:36] <sync_> pfred1: I just bid on a lot of new carbide endmills on ebay and I usually get lucky
[19:30:54] <sync_> it is just not worth my time dealing with shitty tools
[19:31:13] <pfred1> you'd be lucky if carbide end mills didn't break on my mill
[19:31:30] <pfred1> HSS is a lot tougher
[19:36:15] <BeachBumPete> what kind of mill is it?
[19:36:35] <pfred1> a mainland RF-32 clone
[19:37:13] <BeachBumPete> Oh hell I had one of those
[19:37:49] <BeachBumPete> it is easily capable of milling with carbide cutters. Actually with the belt drive and higher speeds it was pretty decent little mill
[19:38:00] <sync_> I'd run carbide on that
[19:38:10] <pfred1> mine is a bit springy
[19:38:18] <sync_> variable helix, variable pitch
[19:38:27] <sync_> and your finish and feeds will improve dramatically
[19:39:37] <BeachBumPete> indeed
[19:59:50] <MacGalempsy> well that is better. the signal wires were reversed and the new relays have a diode
[20:00:02] <MacGalempsy> so everything is powered up now
[20:00:54] <pfred1> back EMF is an issue
[20:02:41] <pfred1> I'm trying to get on with doing some electronics here but I need to build, and install this software package first
[20:09:15] <MacGalempsy> well, I think working on the machine is over for the day. so much progress deserves a rest! lol
[20:09:35] <Tom_L> stop while you're still ahead
[20:09:38] <BeachBumPete> I understand that
[20:09:48] <pfred1> Tom_L ++
[20:10:30] <MacGalempsy> BeachBumPete: did you put a finish on the prototype riser yet?
[20:12:19] <pfred1> I have more copies of this boost stuff on my PC than I can even count now
[20:12:23] <BeachBumPete> What do you mean finish?
[20:13:02] <malcom2073> ewwww boost
[20:13:03] <malcom2073> :-P
[20:13:09] <pfred1> malcom2073 tell me about it
[20:13:11] <MacGalempsy> the last pic you showed, it was cut and looking good, just wondering if you anodized it or something
[20:13:21] <malcom2073> I hate boost. all 500 versions of it
[20:13:35] <MacGalempsy> is that an energy drink or something?
[20:13:37] <BeachBumPete> I did deburr it and brush finish it but I have yet to send it to anodize and it sounds like the buyer just wants it as it is.
[20:13:40] <pfred1> yeah I am closing in on 500 versions to run stuff here
[20:14:21] <pfred1> MacGalempsy more like energy sucking code
[20:14:23] <BeachBumPete> http://i.imgur.com/hzfcUR3.jpg This is the last picture I took of it that I posted the other night
[20:14:44] <malcom2073> Sexy looking riser
[20:15:21] <BeachBumPete> thank you I try to design them to look cool and fit perfectly not always easy to do.
[20:16:04] <BeachBumPete> http://i.imgur.com/EfZUSuV.jpg I need to work on this project now...
[20:16:47] <Tom_L> u need to take that tree down :D
[20:16:57] <BeachBumPete> that is an old pic
[20:17:17] <BeachBumPete> its down now but I am still working on the 3d model of that inletting
[20:17:33] <Tom_L> what are you using?
[20:18:02] <Tom_L> is the slot tapered?
[20:18:26] <BeachBumPete> just drawing it in Freecad 3d now
[20:18:36] <BeachBumPete> the slot is not really just a slot
[20:18:45] <BeachBumPete> and it is not tapered.
[20:18:55] <BeachBumPete> its mostly just a long cylinder
[20:19:02] <Tom_L> i see it's not just a slot but couldn't tell if it's tapered
[20:19:06] <BeachBumPete> but there are various pockets that overlap each other
[20:19:13] <Tom_L> yeah
[20:19:22] <Tom_L> would be easy in solidworks or catia
[20:19:27] <BeachBumPete> and the hard part is going to be the end near the buttstock
[20:19:33] <Tom_L> why?
[20:19:44] <BeachBumPete> well its EASY in any program really
[20:20:28] <BeachBumPete> my problem is getting it done accurately because it is rather long and my longest caliper is like 8 inch everything else is relegated to a metal machinists ruler or tape measure
[20:20:42] <BeachBumPete> nothing about this is beyond freecad
[20:20:55] <BeachBumPete> its just kinda confusing to me how it should be cut
[20:21:12] <BeachBumPete> the end near the buttstock where the trigger goes in
[20:21:14] <malcom2073> BeachBumPete: My dad built an optical scanning rig for scanning gunstocks into 3d models
[20:21:17] <Tom_L> are you gonna make the cutouts?
[20:21:49] <Tom_L> the uni here has all sorts of cool stuff to scan it very accurately
[20:21:52] <BeachBumPete> http://s1017.photobucket.com/user/markmini/media/DSCF5143.jpg.html
[20:22:43] <BeachBumPete> Basically I need to program it to cut exactly what the factory cuts albeit a touch tighter
[20:23:01] <BeachBumPete> that is not my picture
[20:23:07] <BeachBumPete> nor is it my gun
[20:23:24] <BeachBumPete> but you can see how the action is shaped and how the trigger goes into the stock
[20:25:48] <BeachBumPete> http://s7.photobucket.com/user/pad617/media/IMG_1280.jpg.html This picture kinda shows what I need to cut
[20:26:00] <BeachBumPete> again the problem will be the end where it squares off
[20:26:17] <BeachBumPete> its got the half round radius all the way down
[20:26:35] <BeachBumPete> but the end is a square shoulder
[20:26:43] <Tom_L> get a cutter like a dovetail but round
[20:27:19] <BeachBumPete> so I would probably be relegated to using a smallish endmill perhaps an 1/8 inch and run it in an arc from side to side
[20:28:41] <BeachBumPete> at the end of the day I can cut up close as possible and finish with a chisel or endmill but it would be sweet if it were possible somehow to get it done without hand work
[20:29:26] <MacGalempsy> BeachBumPete: nice looking stock
[20:29:49] <BeachBumPete> http://s32.postimg.org/o85xifv0l/01_team_walther_lgu.jpg
[20:29:56] <BeachBumPete> thats a nice looking stock :)
[20:30:20] <MacGalempsy> oooo. yeah. you checkout grabcad at all?
[20:30:30] <BeachBumPete> the other ones are just original stocks or ones I grabbed on the net to show the inletting
[20:30:37] <BeachBumPete> yeah I am on grabcad why?
[20:30:56] <Tom_L> did you try searching for that gun there?
[20:31:03] <MacGalempsy> just wondering. they have a few cool designs there
[20:31:04] <Tom_L> they may already have models
[20:31:20] <BeachBumPete> http://s150.photobucket.com/user/matospeter/media/SAM_0633_zpse9d31df5.jpg.html
[20:31:31] <BeachBumPete> those are my stock blanks I have for the project
[20:31:43] <BeachBumPete> no I did not actually
[20:31:48] <MacGalempsy> make a duplicator lathe, then borrow one :)
[20:31:51] <BeachBumPete> but I would need the inletting not the stock
[20:32:04] <BeachBumPete> I DID make a gunstock duplicator actually two of them
[20:32:08] <Tom_L> not hard to do that in cad
[20:32:09] <BeachBumPete> I kept one for years
[20:32:14] <MacGalempsy> heh.
[20:32:16] <BeachBumPete> sold the other one
[20:32:30] <BeachBumPete> and finally sold mine because I never used it LOL
[20:32:42] <BeachBumPete> I have built quite a few custom stocks over the years
[20:33:01] <MacGalempsy> this looks pretty simple
https://grabcad.com/library/walther-2000-custom
[20:33:49] <MacGalempsy> I would like to have a mp5
[20:33:49] <BeachBumPete> http://s150.photobucket.com/user/matospeter/media/0916111745.jpg.html?sort=6&o=106 That is the old HW97 stock I made
[20:34:25] <MacGalempsy> nice and fancy. some of that scroll work would look great on a riser
[20:36:38] <BeachBumPete> http://s150.photobucket.com/user/matospeter/media/0916111744.jpg.html?sort=6&o=105
[20:36:41] <BeachBumPete> that is the other side
[20:37:24] <BeachBumPete> that scroll work was just something I drew and carved with my small carving tools
[20:37:41] <BeachBumPete> the hard part again is the inletting
[20:37:55] <BeachBumPete> shaping the stock is just personal preference and fitment
[20:40:33] <BeachBumPete> http://s242.photobucket.com/user/pro-sport-07/media/HW77K012.jpg.html this is just gorgeous...
[20:41:36] <BeachBumPete> but again I need to finish this CNC program to cut the inletting so I can get to the fun part LOL
[20:59:30] <MacGalempsy> gn8
[20:59:52] <pfred1> OK I'm done this is not going to happen
[22:10:40] <chopper79> Pfred: I am ready to get going when you are.
[22:18:30] <pfred1> hey
[22:18:38] <Gene_work> Yo
[23:05:31] <Wolf_> slackers
[23:12:51] <Wolf_> I mean, Hi
[23:13:10] <Wolf_> hey pink_vampire|4
[23:15:29] <pink_vampire|4> hi Wolf_
[23:16:15] <Wolf_> those gage blocks I picked up, you’re better off fishing on ebay
[23:17:49] <Wolf_> I have one 81 part SPI set with paper (after stealing from the 2nd set) and one really old set that was missing a few blocks as well
[23:18:16] <pink_vampire> so they not in a good conduction?
[23:19:10] <Wolf_> good condition sorta, but you can get a full set off ebay for ~$150 for Spi, import sets are less new
[23:20:00] <pink_vampire> what are you going to do with them?
[23:20:31] <pink_vampire> I mean, for what kind of uses?
[23:21:09] <Wolf_> checking Mics, calipers and height gauges. Pretty much in house calibration
[23:21:42] <Wolf_> http://i.imgur.com/tRCODRc.jpg
[23:39:05] <sync_> only that you don't know what their current calibration is
[23:39:15] <Wolf_> yup…
[23:40:40] <Wolf_> but I’m not doing tolerance work for other people yet, so problem for my own work
[23:42:29] <Wolf_> still should be better then guessing or calipers
[23:43:52] <sync_> yeah always good to have a few floating around
[23:44:19] <Wolf_> check them with my mic? lol
[23:44:58] <sync_> you can probably do a relative calibration if you have a high enough precision indicator
[23:45:10] <sync_> of course your error would integrate
[23:45:34] <Wolf_> mic is 0.00005”
[23:47:06] <Wolf_> derp, yeah .0001” dti would be better
[23:47:26] <Wolf_> if I had a calibrated surface plate to work off of
