#linuxcnc | Logs for 2017-01-30

[00:37:03] <MacGalempsy> dang, this fusion360 now has continuous 4th axis
[00:38:31] <MacGalempsy> i wonder if the emc pp has been tweaked to reflect this
[01:26:49] <chopper79> Fusion360 is nice... I am just concerned that they will get everybody invested into it and then drop a "It will cost you 4k a year now". Then you are already invested into the software and have your business if that is the case geared around it.
[01:27:17] <chopper79> Basically forced to pay or find something else.
[01:29:45] <archivist> as they are doing for eagle the pcb software they bought
[01:30:13] <MacGalempsy> just save all your gcode files offline and print off the blueprints to pdf
[01:30:41] <archivist> you need to be able to edit in the future
[01:31:55] <roycroft> can fusion 360 save/export to .dwg, .sldprt, or even .dfx?
[01:32:24] <MacGalempsy> you can save stuff as STL and OBJ
[01:32:34] <roycroft> stl is fairly portable
[01:32:35] <MacGalempsy> not sure about other exports
[01:33:24] <roycroft> migrating even "portable" cad files to another platform is rarely without difficulties
[01:33:27] <MacGalempsy> yeah. looks like DWG is possible
[01:33:45] <roycroft> but it can be better than redrawing from scratch
[01:33:56] <MacGalempsy> http://www.cadalyst.com/cad/product-design/export-and-import-autodesk-fusion-360-designs-28325
[01:34:09] <roycroft> your concern, though, is why i refuse to rent software or use cloud-based software
[01:34:28] <roycroft> i want to buy it outright, and put it on my computer
[01:34:42] <chopper79> I will save them as a creo or solid works file. Then go to my brothers work and change them to another software if needed.
[01:34:46] <roycroft> as long as i have a compatible computing platform i will be able to use the software
[01:34:46] <MacGalempsy> its hard to beat free, even with cloud based
[01:35:08] <roycroft> i'm also often not near the internet when i work
[01:35:17] <chopper79> true and it is a very nice software.
[01:36:17] <MacGalempsy> cant look too far ahead, but it is getting exciting to be so close to a fully functioning vmc
[01:36:32] <chopper79> Just my fear though about them doing this. I think how they have it setup right now is great. Free for anybody and if you use it for business and you profit more then 100k then you pay a small yearly fee.
[01:36:39] * roycroft has been compiling a rt kernel for a couple hours now
[01:36:47] <roycroft> i'm going to give linuxcnc on jessie a go
[01:37:08] <MacGalempsy> getting mint installed took some time
[01:37:09] <chopper79> I am compiling for mint 18.1 right now
[01:37:25] <chopper79> with t 4.9.4 rt
[01:37:34] <roycroft> i've read too many scary things about mint
[01:37:36] <chopper79> slow process
[01:37:46] <roycroft> i'm not going to do anything with it without more research first
[01:37:49] <chopper79> I am gonna give it a go so see what happens
[01:37:58] <MacGalempsy> with the j1900 I was having all kinds of issues with the 32bit builds. once I went to the 64bit all the issues (so far) disappeared
[01:38:30] <roycroft> my linuxcnc machine is 32 bit
[01:39:00] <chopper79> I am using a couple year old MB so hoping I do not have any issues right now. I am ready to get my VMC going.
[01:39:38] <MacGalempsy> it wasnt the 32bit, I think it was hardware incompatibility. if I didnt turn off the screen saver, it would go to s.s. mode and would come back on with a snowy picture
[01:39:56] <chopper79> I am so use to using parport that I am a bit scared to go to using ethernet.
[01:40:04] <MacGalempsy> only way to get that to go away was a reboot
[01:40:25] <MacGalempsy> chopper79: which cards are you using?
[01:40:35] <chopper79> 7i92m+7i77
[01:40:57] <chopper79> Then other build will be using 7i76e
[01:41:41] <MacGalempsy> oh that is nice. I am using the 5i25 and was wishing for something I could leave in the machine
[01:42:02] <MacGalempsy> maybe next machine i will get one of those
[01:42:26] <chopper79> I usually use 5i25 with either a 7i77 or 7i76 depending on the build. This time I decided I better try something new.
[01:42:46] <roycroft> i have a 5i25 + 5i76, with a pendant card on the way
[01:42:47] <chopper79> all else fails I will buy a 5i25 and go back to a method I know is proven
[01:42:52] <chopper79> nice
[01:43:45] <MacGalempsy> if it fails, you can send me the 7i92 instead of throwing it away ;)
[01:43:47] <chopper79> So far the compile is going well. I will give it another hour and I have to hit the sack. Will be 2:15am
[01:44:11] <chopper79> haha... I will keep it for when I can use it. Good thought though
[01:44:43] <chopper79> I should be fine though as long as mint plays nice with me.
[01:44:48] <MacGalempsy> for some reason, I think mine took several hours, iirc like 7 or 8. after it failed the first time, the second time I just let it go and went to bed
[01:45:26] <chopper79> Thats what I am gonna do then..... go to bed and let it run if I need too
[01:46:56] <chopper79> It is like watching paint dry...... do not have anything else to do right now besided look at it running in terminal.
[01:47:23] <roycroft> i once compiled X11R5 on a 386sx
[01:47:27] <MacGalempsy> with the 7i92 do you just plug all the daughter cards into it with a switch?
[01:47:29] <roycroft> it took the better part of a week
[01:47:49] <roycroft> and running x was so much fun
[01:47:56] <roycroft> move mouse to right
[01:48:04] <roycroft> about 5 seonds later the cursor moves to the right
[01:49:00] <MacGalempsy> after trying 3 different used computers, I finally just build a new box. wish I would have done that in the first place instead of trying to be cheap
[01:49:18] <chopper79> The 7i92m plugs right into the 7i77 using the M and F 25pin ports. You can use the 7i92 and go to a daughter card that has multiple ethernets so you can chain all sorts of cards together.
[01:49:48] <chopper79> I have to be cheap right now.... running low on funds set aside for this project.
[01:50:12] <Holzwurm> Hello, can tell me someone the diffrence between motmod and emcmod?
[01:51:48] <XXCoder> mot and emc
[01:51:50] <XXCoder> ;)
[01:51:55] <MacGalempsy> :D
[01:52:36] <MacGalempsy> well, its getting late here, and the post comes early, so its a long planned day working on the machine.
[01:52:41] <MacGalempsy> ttyl
[01:53:18] <chopper79> have a good one
[01:59:35] <IchGucksLive> morning from a wet icy Germany
[02:01:06] <IchGucksLive> Holzwurm: axis motion Flotingpoint or non Floting for DC control
[02:04:02] <IchGucksLive> nein
[02:08:37] <chopper79> guten morgen
[02:08:49] <chopper79> from Illinois USA
[02:13:22] <IchGucksLive> ;-)
[02:13:41] <XXCoder> hey from black washington, wa
[02:13:52] <IchGucksLive> chopper79: ground temp at your place is the seet alredy planted
[02:14:19] <IchGucksLive> washington is great on French Frice
[02:16:43] <chopper79> ground temp is 37deg and no seeds planted yet.
[02:17:35] <IchGucksLive> here its getting not freezing this wheek
[02:17:41] <IchGucksLive> im off Bye
[02:19:50] <chopper79> well I am off to bed... 1:50am. I am tired of watching my computer compile.
[02:19:52] <chopper79> Later
[02:19:58] <XXCoder> lol lter
[02:21:49] <chopper79> SHIT!!!!...... I turned my power stip off like I do every night I leave the shop. Time to start over
[02:22:37] <Deejay> moin
[02:23:04] <XXCoder> chopper79: thankfully compiled parts stay compiled
[02:23:15] <XXCoder> so its obnly current one that has to be repeated
[02:23:38] <XXCoder> assuming it uses tons libraries and not single monster program lol
[02:23:44] <chopper79> so I just need to start from whereI left off
[02:24:01] <XXCoder> just just make again and it will skip already done parts
[02:24:45] <chopper79> ok thanks
[02:24:52] <chopper79> I can not believe I did that
[02:25:16] <XXCoder> habits is hard to break sometimes heh
[02:25:37] <chopper79> true
[02:55:33] <XXCoder> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/TL-Smoother-addon-module-for-3D-pinter-motor-drivers-free-shipping/32776922807.html
[02:55:36] <XXCoder> worth it? heh
[03:07:52] <archivist> only if you have a noise problem
[03:08:27] <XXCoder> interestign
[03:12:45] <XXCoder> it probably would have helped with tb6560
[05:28:08] <malcom2073> XXCoder: Electrically, that does pretty much nothing afaik
[05:30:08] <malcom2073> Except a voltage drop
[05:31:39] <malcom2073> Hmm, apparently they act as as a braking diode,
[05:37:27] <XXCoder> malcom2073: from what I read, it basically re-signals so its cleaner
[05:37:28] <XXCoder> dunno
[05:52:01] <jthornton> morning
[05:58:23] <XXCoder> yo
[05:58:28] <XXCoder> dang
[05:58:34] <XXCoder> someone got the k hammer
[05:58:48] <archivist> I wonder why lexAngeles gets k-lined so often
[05:59:05] <XXCoder> kline is supposed to block forever
[05:59:12] <XXCoder> unless removed
[05:59:18] <archivist> just about every day, is it his quit message
[05:59:34] <XXCoder> maybe
[06:02:27] <archivist> not every day, 10 cycles since end of last year
[06:11:24] <Spida> archivist: it is his quit message (as in manually set), lexAngeles is not actually k-lined (message would be different)
[08:10:36] <elmo40> I hope no one has investments in Toshiba. They are about to place their chip business up for sale to pay down $6B in debt on its nuclear side.
[08:11:13] <_methods> ouch
[08:35:03] <yasnak> damn
[08:55:53] <archivist_> does exceptional condition include scratched paint! http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HOFMANN-1000mm-CNC-5th-Axis-Rotary-Table-Milling-Boring-Machine-Mill-Drill-/322385100338
[08:57:39] <gregcnc> scratched paint on a machine tool? can't be
[09:01:44] <archivist_> it is the condition claim and price.. unrealistic seller
[09:04:38] <gregcnc> i'm sure prices vary, that isn't small
[09:05:24] <gregcnc> typical dealer asking, need it for a job tomorrow price
[09:05:50] <sync_> it is not completely unrealistic
[09:06:03] <sync_> it's a huge table
[09:06:29] <archivist_> cant be far off new price
[09:06:58] <gregcnc> so, it's available
[09:07:45] <Wolf_> I need something like that for my x1
[09:08:11] <archivist_> that rotates the shed around the X1
[09:08:17] <Wolf_> would look cool with the mill mounted on that table lol
[09:08:43] <Wolf_> would still have room for the 7x10 lathe as well
[09:09:01] <gregcnc> www.ebay.com/itm/291761827836
[09:11:03] <Wolf_> damn, thats like half the cost of my house
[09:11:16] <Wolf_> well… what I paid for my house anyways
[09:12:04] <Wolf_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/291996589239 should I go look at this for a 4th axis build
[09:12:05] <sync_> hahahahaha archivist_, try buying one for that price new
[09:13:52] <archivist_> Wolf_, that is cheap
[09:14:40] <gregcnc> wolf_ probably twice the size of your x1
[09:15:13] <Wolf_> 4th axis will be used on X2 or wells-index 645 conversion
[09:15:34] <gregcnc> looks large to me
[09:16:00] <Wolf_> yeah, doesn’t help that there isn’t anything to ref for scale
[09:17:08] <gregcnc> not offering shipping is another indication
[09:17:39] <Wolf_> yeah lol
[09:17:55] <Wolf_> hmm. that seller has some other neat stuff looks like
[09:39:41] <Wolf_> ok, easy way, sent message to ask how big it is and what motor size is on it, or if I can inspect in person
[09:44:15] <Wolf_> time to get moving, 2hr drive to go get surface plates and stuff =D
[10:30:20] <chopper79> :'( is the look I made while 75% done compiling and I forgot that my computer was on a power strip that I shut off every night when I leave the shop. restarted and something happened so I had to put a fresh install in and start over.
[10:33:47] <chopper79> This whole process has been a learning experience for sure.... I am thankful for that.
[10:36:38] <MacGalempsy> goodday gent
[10:36:39] <MacGalempsy> s
[10:36:53] <chopper79> howdy
[11:06:11] <skunkworks> chopper79, how is the matsuura coming?
[11:06:57] <MacGalempsy> can a parameter directly be set with a pin? eg. setp conv-s32-float.0.in halui.tool-number
[11:09:09] <CaptHindsight> http://www.harmonicdrive.net/
[11:10:46] <gregcnc> I've looked at those, it seems virtually on the market are from the same company covered under patent
[11:11:04] <MacGalempsy> nm. found the answer.
[11:11:13] <MacGalempsy> and. my mesa board just got delivered
[11:19:21] <chopper79> skunkworks: it is coming along. working on lcnc now. Then I can get some movement.
[11:20:05] <chopper79> Need to dive into the tool changer and other i/o after that. I have a feeling that will be a fun task.
[11:20:16] <roycroft> my keyboard is awaiting pickup
[11:20:21] <roycroft> that's great
[11:20:31] <roycroft> i'll be able to measure it tonight and then get started on my control panel design
[11:21:20] <roycroft> and it looks like the mpg will likely arrive tomorrow
[11:21:31] <chopper79> I need to make myself a control panel for my vmc still.
[11:22:09] <chopper79> Thinking about a keypad like a normal vmc panel would have
[11:24:13] <archivist> one I spotter earlier as a build idea http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mach3-4-EMC2-CNC-Touch-Screen-Control-Panel-15WLP-by-MACH-MATE-/172470163470
[11:24:21] <chopper79> I will end up with just a keyboard by the time I am done.
[11:24:49] <chopper79> Nice
[11:24:54] <roycroft> that's an interesting idea, archivist
[11:25:21] <roycroft> i like the removable pendant
[11:25:39] <roycroft> i'm not sure about toggle switches though
[11:25:42] <roycroft> this is not the 1960s :)
[11:25:47] <chopper79> Whole thing is pretty sweet. ..... hmmm. The gears are turning now.
[11:26:12] <roycroft> toggle switches are very real estate efficient though
[11:26:37] <chopper79> There is no question on if they are off or on either.
[11:27:02] <roycroft> sure, but that is not unique to toggle switches
[11:27:39] <chopper79> true.... I just like toggles.
[11:27:46] <roycroft> the angle of that keyboard is a bit steep for my taste
[11:27:58] <roycroft> and i should think it would be rather uncomfortable to try to touch type on it
[11:28:08] <roycroft> it would require bending the wrists rather severely
[11:28:23] <archivist> collect less swarf though
[11:28:26] <roycroft> although the whole panel can be angled down
[11:28:36] <chopper79> thinking it is more along the lines of standing at the interface and pecking the keys
[11:28:51] <roycroft> my plan to avoid swarf is to not have the panel in the swarf zone
[11:29:21] <archivist> pfft
[11:29:27] <roycroft> i'm not sure how useful a keyboard will be on my panel
[11:29:46] <roycroft> i certainly won't be using the machine to write my next novel
[11:29:48] <archivist> I program on the machine, essential to me
[11:30:05] <roycroft> yes, and i don't know if i'll do that much or not
[11:30:27] <chopper79> My last vmc I used a touch screen on. I loved it but still used a keyboard once in a while
[11:30:38] <roycroft> but my panel will have the keyboard mounted horizontally, so it will be at least semi-comfortable to use
[11:30:42] <roycroft> i'll be using a touch screen
[11:30:52] <roycroft> i haven't decided which one yet
[11:31:01] <roycroft> i hope to test the 15" one i have tonight
[11:31:04] <roycroft> and if that works i'll use it
[11:31:12] <chopper79> I am in the same boat. Trying to decide if I want to go TS on this VMC
[11:31:20] <roycroft> it's a dell, and i've found out that the touch screen overlay is made by microtouch
[11:31:35] <roycroft> there is a linux microtouch driver, but folks seem to have mixed results with it
[11:32:06] <roycroft> if that doesn't work out, i have some 17" elo touch screens that i've already tested with linuxcnc
[11:38:47] <chopper79> I used a BKSEMS screen on my last mill. The egalaxy drivers are available for linux along with their calibration program. I think I paid $80 for the screen whcih was a 20" wide screen
[11:45:01] <roycroft> there's no way i want a 20" screen for my control panel
[11:45:18] <roycroft> the reason i'm going to try to get the 15" screen working is because the 17" one is too big
[11:46:37] <chopper79> I found the 20" enjoyable and easy to work with.
[11:47:10] <chopper79> If I had money to burn I would try a 40" or something crazy large
[11:47:21] <roycroft> that seems ridiculous for a cnc control panel
[11:47:49] <chopper79> as I said.... if I had money to burn
[11:48:08] <roycroft> i'd rather burn it than fill my shop up with a display that serves no purpose
[11:48:38] <chopper79> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dor1Of01qKg
[11:48:42] <chopper79> Interface liek this
[11:48:44] <chopper79> like
[11:49:05] <chopper79> Turn volume dwn or off
[11:50:11] <chopper79> Wish I could get lcnc to be like the control interface in the video.
[11:50:56] <chopper79> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzBM_lchKtg
[11:51:15] <MacGalempsy> I wonder if anyone has been able to get pathpilot to work with the 7i77
[11:51:35] <chopper79> If I had PP I would give it a go.
[11:51:41] <MacGalempsy> that thing is packed with interface options.
[11:51:47] <chopper79> I agree
[11:51:57] <MacGalempsy> chopper79: check ou the forums, there is a whole category on it
[11:52:12] <chopper79> Need to get a copy of it so I can rip into it.
[11:52:45] <chopper79> Any chance of getting lcnc to the point of the second link I posted?
[11:53:43] <JT-Shop> chopper79: you can make any screen you want, have you looked at the available screens?
[11:54:13] <chopper79> Yes... I use gmoccapy and axis.
[11:54:38] <JT-Shop> gscreen was designed to be customized
[11:54:48] <chopper79> Would love to find a way to make the interface I linked to. Would take lots of beer and lots of hours I am sure.
[11:55:10] <roycroft> the more beer the more hours
[11:55:39] <chopper79> I tried in glade one day and never went back as I need to sit with it more and mess around
[11:55:44] <JT-Shop> which link
[11:55:55] * roycroft will be happy to make simple parts with hand-built g-code for starters
[11:56:01] <chopper79> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzBM_lchKtg
[11:56:20] <chopper79> I love hand coding roycroft
[11:56:57] <chopper79> most of my gcode is done by hand. Use cam for the complex stuff that I do not feel like or can not code efficiently.
[11:58:07] <JT-Shop> you mean a touch screen with big buttons?
[11:58:15] <roycroft> i finished my brew system control panel wiring yesterday
[11:58:28] <chopper79> yes... camera, swip gestrues, etc.
[11:58:31] <roycroft> there are a couple pins in one of the connectors that are flaky
[11:58:40] <roycroft> i just ordered an extraction tool to remove them
[11:58:50] <roycroft> but i'm starting to clean up my shop after the wiring project
[11:58:51] <chopper79> probing on all sides
[11:58:56] <JT-Shop> swipe gestures like SolidWorks right mouse button
[11:59:09] <roycroft> i'l be able to move on to working on the mill very soon
[11:59:25] <JT-Shop> I racked my elderberry to the secondaries Saturday
[11:59:29] <JT-Shop> looking good
[12:00:14] <MacGalempsy> any estimate on the abv?
[12:01:37] <chopper79> JT-Shop: Kinda like that. The Datron Neo interface is outstanding in my opinion. If I had a lcnc interface like that it would be a game changer I think.
[12:02:00] <chopper79> All the swipe gestures, probing setup, etc, etc.
[12:02:26] <Tom_L> morning
[12:02:34] <chopper79> https://youtu.be/Hs9AW6o8OhY
[12:02:38] <Vq> Evening
[12:02:42] <chopper79> morning Tom
[12:02:52] <chopper79> well afternoon
[12:03:47] <MacGalempsy> morning Tom_L
[12:03:52] <JT-Shop> let me look into the Qt side in the morning, Chris M has a branch using Qt
[12:04:10] <roycroft> i've been ignoring my brews in process for a while
[12:04:17] <chopper79> Qt??
[12:04:21] <roycroft> other than making sure the airlocks are not dry
[12:04:37] <chopper79> nevermind
[12:04:40] <roycroft> once i get the shop cleaned up i'm going to go through everything and see where it stands
[12:04:46] <chopper79> thanks google...lol
[12:04:52] <roycroft> i have a wee heavy that's been on oak for quite some time that i'm sure is ready to bottle
[12:05:09] <JT-Shop> I just started with Qt and I'm much more impressed with that than Gtk
[12:05:50] <chopper79> Would it be in the preempt build I am doing right now? Or will I have to install it?
[12:05:52] <JT-Shop> I have about 10 carboys of 10 year old wine that tastes like crap now lol, got busy and didn't bottle it
[12:06:15] <JT-Shop> you would have to do a git clone then checkout that branch
[12:06:35] <roycroft> that happens sometimes, jt-shop
[12:06:37] <MacGalempsy> vinegar sales
[12:06:54] <chopper79> ok... Let meknow what you come up with and I will give it a try to see what I can do with it.
[12:06:57] <roycroft> i've had more dumpers over the years due to negligence than due to bad process/infection
[12:07:11] <roycroft> i hate when that happens
[12:07:13] <roycroft> but it happens
[12:07:57] <JT-Shop> I make good wine when I keep an eye on it...
[12:08:07] <chopper79> I will continue to look into it as well.
[12:17:42] <JT-Shop> chopper79: http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qtwidgets-gestures-imagegestures-example.html
[12:17:49] <JT-Shop> yep Qt had gestures
[12:19:34] <chopper79> hmmm....Once my pc finihes I will check this out. So I need git the qt branch?
[12:19:46] <chopper79> Also need to install a qt designer or all hand code>
[12:19:47] <chopper79> ?
[12:20:14] <JT-Shop> let me run down to the beer cave and see what I use
[12:20:42] <IchGucksLive> hi from raining germany
[12:30:32] <chopper79> Well.... off to work on my calculus, physics, and statics homework.
[12:32:20] <roycroft> wow
[12:32:26] <roycroft> my pendant board is here already
[12:32:32] <roycroft> that was really quick
[12:32:57] <roycroft> jt gets stuff out the door fast!
[12:34:53] <JT-Shop> yea, if I have the conformation by 8 or so it makes it to the distribution center that night
[12:38:20] <gregcnc> https://youtu.be/0QrynzJ_lZ4
[12:38:36] <gregcnc> Making inserts Sandvik
[12:38:56] <IchGucksLive> they are the best
[12:39:10] <IchGucksLive> but most copied and not cheep
[12:49:57] <roycroft> and speaking of fast
[12:50:10] <roycroft> digi-key already shipped the extraction tool i ordered about a half hour ago
[13:00:04] <pcw_home> Digikey does not have the best prices but the have the best disty ordering system in the business
[13:00:49] <JT-Shop> who has the best prices?
[13:01:41] <pcw_home> Usually normal dists like Avnet/Future etc
[13:01:48] <roycroft> digi-key's prices are ok
[13:01:51] <roycroft> they're perhaps not the best
[13:01:57] <roycroft> but they're not grainger-like
[13:02:17] <roycroft> i usually use digi-key or mouser
[13:02:18] <pcw_home> Digikey is consistently about 20% higher
[13:02:34] <roycroft> and grainger consistently about 100% higher :)
[13:02:37] <gregcnc> LoL grainger maybe only bested by motion industries
[13:02:50] <roycroft> grainger won't sell to me though
[13:02:53] <skunkworks> they are higher - but whenever I order I usually get them the next day :)
[13:02:54] <roycroft> because they are morons
[13:03:08] <roycroft> they require a state tax exempt number
[13:03:14] <roycroft> we have no sales tax in oregon
[13:03:21] <roycroft> i have no state tax exempt number
[13:03:31] <roycroft> i gave them my federal tax id and they rejected it
[13:03:36] <roycroft> but that's ok
[13:03:50] <roycroft> mcmaster are a lot cheaper, and usually only take a day longer than grainger
[13:03:51] <pcw_home> the 20% is often worth it because they are fast, easy to order and have extremely broad range of stock
[13:04:02] <roycroft> yes, pcw_home
[13:04:09] <roycroft> i like them because they have such an extensive inventory
[13:04:26] <roycroft> and they have real-time updates of inventory - no backorder/oos surprises
[13:04:35] <roycroft> they have a great bom building/maintaining system
[13:04:48] <roycroft> and really great customer service
[13:04:51] <pcw_home> I always use them for protos and assembly shorts
[13:04:59] <roycroft> my purchases are generally <$250
[13:05:05] <pcw_home> just not for bulk parts
[13:05:09] <roycroft> if i were making larger purchases i might shop around more
[13:05:25] <roycroft> shopping around costs money
[13:05:38] <roycroft> it has to be worht the time it takes
[13:05:43] <roycroft> worth
[13:05:59] <roycroft> and digi-key prices are good enough that it's almost always not worth it to me
[13:06:50] <roycroft> i use newark and allied sometimes as well
[13:07:14] <roycroft> but digi-key and mouser are my go-to places for electronic components
[13:08:07] <IchGucksLive> Folkes is 6A 60V enoph for 3Steppers at 4.2A/ph
[13:08:47] <chopper79> Need atleast 8amps I think
[13:09:08] <chopper79> 4.2(3)*.6
[13:09:14] <chopper79> 7.56A
[13:09:37] <IchGucksLive> thats why i always use a 48V
[13:10:21] <IchGucksLive> so 2 PowerSu.
[13:10:39] <chopper79> Is the PS a switching style?
[13:10:42] <IchGucksLive> 1 60V foa XY and Z/A goes on 48V
[13:10:46] <chopper79> With trim pot?
[13:11:14] <IchGucksLive> http://stores.ebay.de/StepperOnline/Power-Supplies-/_i.html?_fsub=10879285012
[13:12:11] <IchGucksLive> the 36 10A is perfect for 2A stappers 4Axis
[13:12:25] <IchGucksLive> it als drives the Proxxon
[13:13:58] <chopper79> I could be wrong. If so somebody please correct me. If you adjust your trim pot down then your available amperage goes up. If the supply is 360w (6a x 60v) then you should be able to reduce voltage with trim pot to around 45v then you should have 8a worth.
[13:14:17] <chopper79> If the trim pot goes that low
[13:14:54] <chopper79> 45v * 8a = 360w
[13:15:04] <IchGucksLive> 48V is lower price and redy
[13:15:11] <IchGucksLive> so best to go o nthat
[13:15:21] <chopper79> So you do not have it
[13:15:35] <chopper79> you are ordering.... I thoguht you had one sitting around
[13:18:10] <IchGucksLive> no i take the 75V if so
[13:18:39] <IchGucksLive> https://www.pro-tos.de/shop/Netzteile/
[13:32:00] <IchGucksLive> so i got 1500.- for a 80x50x25 cm with kress -p and 4Nm
[13:32:30] <roycroft> i still don't understand exactly how to budget power for stepper motors
[13:32:45] <roycroft> everything i read says i need 1/2-2/3 the rated amperage per phase
[13:32:55] <roycroft> nothing says buy something rated at the full rated amperage
[13:33:15] <MacGalempsy> making headway, but seem to have lost my printouts...
[13:33:17] <IchGucksLive> you got 3coils per PH
[13:33:28] <MacGalempsy> the worst part is I know I exited the house with them. smh
[13:33:32] <IchGucksLive> only 1 ph is full at the time
[13:34:46] <IchGucksLive> i need to close Gn8
[13:35:00] <roycroft> tschau
[13:48:08] <CaptHindsight> are those cheap Wagner HVLP sprayers worth using at all? The tanks are so small
[14:12:06] <JT-Shop> roycroft: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Stepper_Formulas
[15:02:14] <Tom_L> mouser is ok
[15:03:28] <Tom_L> i miss theirs and digikey's doorstops every year
[15:06:26] <roycroft> thanks, jt-shop
[15:06:30] <roycroft> that explains how to do the calcs
[15:06:43] <roycroft> but i'm still not clear on why
[15:06:53] <roycroft> i'll go dig into some theory a bit when i get a chance
[15:07:07] <roycroft> but right now i think i'll go dig into some lunch
[15:07:49] <Tom_L> why what?
[15:09:03] <Tom_L> https://www.geckodrive.com/gecko/images/cms_files/Step%20Motor%20Basics%20Guide.pdf
[15:09:07] <Tom_L> try that too
[15:11:24] <Tom_L> http://www.piclist.com/techref/io/stepper/inductance.htm
[15:11:30] <Tom_L> and a little more
[15:19:10] <Nick-Shop> would a 2 gig mini itx motherboard do any good with LNC
[15:25:59] <Tom_L> probably
[15:26:20] <Tom_L> i use one
[15:31:45] <Nick-Shop> what are you driving with it?
[15:33:23] <Tom_L> he was looking at geckos
[15:40:47] <Nick-Shop> sorry - tought you were answering motherboard question
[15:41:54] <Tom_L> what do you mean driving it with?
[15:41:56] <Tom_L> psu?
[15:43:07] <Tom_L> the AsRock Q1900B itx mb seem ok
[15:43:30] <Tom_L> not sure about a 'mini'
[15:48:58] <Nick-Shop> what machine -lathe - mill full sized machine?
[15:49:58] <Nick-Shop> mini is one the the real small motherboards with 1 pci-e slot
[15:50:00] <Tom_L> sherline
[16:31:28] <Deejay> gn8
[17:06:13] <MacGalempsy> in the last push, almost time for radioshack...
[17:10:22] <roycroft> to finish going out of business?
[17:11:10] <MacGalempsy> only the corporate radioshacks closed. this one is locally owned
[17:11:49] <roycroft> i started buying stuff there when it was still called allied radio
[17:12:01] <roycroft> it was like digi-key + heathkit at the time
[17:12:12] <roycroft> then it became allied radio shack
[17:12:30] <roycroft> and still had a great selection of components, kits, and finished goods
[17:12:38] <roycroft> then it became radio shack and started going downhill
[17:13:19] <MacGalempsy> these guys have a lot of stuff, probably because it's locally owned. their raspi and arduino section is pretty big
[17:13:34] <roycroft> so the former franchises got to keep the name?
[17:13:52] <roycroft> is there still a distribution network for them owned by tandy?
[17:14:34] <MacGalempsy> it is still named radioshack. I can ask about the distribution network while im there.
[17:14:51] <roycroft> i'm just curious
[17:15:01] <roycroft> i worked at a radio shack computer store in the mid 80s
[17:15:08] <roycroft> selling trs-80s and color computers
[17:15:13] <roycroft> and the occasinal ibm at clone
[17:15:20] <roycroft> but it was mostly trash-80 at the time
[17:15:22] <MacGalempsy> after some of the questions I have asked these guys, it may be more accurate to do a google search
[17:15:40] <roycroft> if i ever get curious enough i'll do so :)
[17:15:50] <roycroft> i'll see what teh wikipedia says about them
[17:19:35] <roycroft> so the chain got taken over by standard general after the bankruptcy
[17:19:46] <MacGalempsy> after this run to RS and installing a few more connectors, it should be time to power up and start testing pins
[17:21:02] <roycroft> it says nothing about the fate of the franchise stores, not about a current distribution network
[17:21:21] <roycroft> i can't remember the last time i went into a radio shack and found what i needed
[17:21:57] <roycroft> we have one store left in eugene of which i'm aware, and i stop by there once or twice/year when i need something they should have, because it's right next door to my bank
[17:22:15] <roycroft> sadly, the only other electronics components store in town closed about 4 years ago
[17:22:32] <roycroft> so i either get to make the 2 hour drive to fry's to buy a resistor, or order it online
[17:23:06] <roycroft> you can probably guess which option i exercise almost every time
[17:23:23] <MacGalempsy> I bet they are free to order from both RS and whoever else because last time I asked about some Caps and they were going to order from someone. They also have a lot of individually packaged stuff that obviously came from bulk purchases.
[17:24:34] <MacGalempsy> the last comparison I did was with some european style terminal connectors. Radioshack was like $2.50 and Lowes was like $6
[17:29:18] <MacGalempsy> ok, well its time to go. bbiab
[17:32:04] <Nick-Shop> I'm stuck in g54 on a lathe - how do I clear it to use just the lathe tool table?
[17:33:44] <JT-Shop-2> in Axis you can clear the offsets from the menu
[17:34:02] <JT-Shop-2> what do you mean your stuck "IN" g54?
[17:35:40] <Nick-Shop> i hit touch off rather than the tool touch offbox
[17:37:10] <JT-Shop-2> just clear the g54 offset from the menu
[17:38:59] <Nick-Shop> what menu?
[17:41:34] <JT-Shop-2> what gui?
[17:41:46] <Nick-Shop> is it the zero coordinate system --axis
[17:41:54] <JT-Shop-2> yup
[17:42:38] <Nick-Shop> I just cleared ir --left mouse click? - I'm not sure of what I did
[17:43:12] <Nick-Shop> I think
[17:44:23] <Nick-Shop> it's still in the bak file
[17:47:30] <Nick-Shop> Is there a way to disable that touch off box as It's not used for the lathe?
[17:48:45] <cradek> on a lathe it'd be normal to use that for setting the work's Z
[17:50:28] <Nick-Shop> with axis there the tool touch off box which uses the lathe tool table. And it sets each tool from the home switch
[18:06:25] <lunada> hi, are there any good classicladder examples using mod-dir so my turret will go in the direction closest to the requested tool?
[18:17:58] <chopper79> Finally got things compliled. Running latency tests now. Servo thread is (Max Interval) = 3600707 (Max Jitter)= 2600707 (Last Interaval)=996741
[18:18:01] <chopper79> Base thread (Max interval)=251236 (Max Jitter)=226236 (Last interval)=23615
[18:18:23] <chopper79> Any suggestions on how to get these down if they are to high?
[18:18:53] <chopper79> Using mesa 7i92+7i77
[18:19:16] <chopper79> This is running multipl youtube videos and 5 instances of glx gears
[18:22:42] <chopper79> If I stop glxgears and youtube videos I am sitting more around the 60000 on max jitter with servo thread
[18:22:42] <andypugh> Those jitter numbers are crazy-high.
[18:23:44] <chopper79> What would be ideal?
[18:24:01] <chopper79> I know it is hardware dependent
[18:25:25] <andypugh> The absolute max jitter that you can possibly get away with with a 1mS servo-thread is 0.5mS.
[18:25:48] <andypugh> You have a 1mS servo-thread with 3.6mS jitter
[18:26:11] <jdh> is it running in a vm?
[18:26:15] <andypugh> (sorry, 2.6mS jitter. But the point remains)
[18:26:35] <chopper79> Wonder if it my build then. I was thinking this MB was decent to run lcnc on
[18:26:38] <andypugh> Yeah, those numbers are worse than anything I have seen outside of a VM.
[18:27:19] <chopper79> mint 18.1 (32bit) with a 4.9.6rt kernal.
[18:28:23] <chopper79> preempt
[18:28:32] <chopper79> master
[18:35:03] <roycroft> ok, i'd say someone did a bit of overengineering
[18:35:11] <roycroft> i picked up my ss kiosk keyboard
[18:35:26] <roycroft> first of all, the seller paid more for shipping than i pade for the product
[18:35:32] <roycroft> that's unfortunate for him
[18:35:41] <roycroft> the box was very very heavy
[18:35:57] <roycroft> turns out the mounting plates for the keyboard are made of 3/16" steel
[18:36:21] <roycroft> because someone is going to really bang on the keys
[18:45:20] <Wolf_> nice
[18:45:44] <Wolf_> my car hates me right now, there is a 24x18x7” granite plate in the hatch right now
[18:46:29] <Wolf_> archivist: http://imgur.com/a/T43JB it actually works
[18:49:42] <Wolf_> chopper79: no idea on 18.1, I’m running 17.3 Mint cinnamon
[18:50:07] <Wolf_> its not lag free, but its not that bad either
[18:54:48] <sync_> ah a trimos
[18:54:53] <sync_> those are neat
[18:55:52] <Wolf_> only issue I have found (other then no manual for it) is the stylus holder is rusted in place
[18:56:11] <chopper79> I am real impressed with how smooth axis is running in 18.1 right now. No lag at all. Just bad latency
[18:56:30] <Wolf_> by lag I meant latency
[18:56:43] <elmo40> it was less smooth in previous version with same hardware?
[18:57:15] <Wolf_> mine was choppy as hell, but that happens with no video drivers loaded
[18:59:49] <roycroft> my rt kernel finished building at some point today
[18:59:59] <roycroft> it wasn't done when i left for work, but it's done now
[19:00:04] <roycroft> i shall be installing it presently
[19:00:37] <roycroft> i don't remember the results of the latency test on my machine, except they were fairly impressive
[19:01:44] <Wolf_> now to see if I screwed myself on the gage block sets from auction
[19:02:39] <Wolf_> 2 of them were SPI economy 81 piece sets, one missing a few
[19:07:54] <Wolf_> hmm, guess I didn’t do bad on this auction =)
[19:08:36] <andypugh> Do they stick together?
[19:08:40] <Wolf_> yup
[19:09:28] <Wolf_> they ring, one set was missing 2 blocks, 2nd set was missing a few, and now 2 more =)
[19:09:41] <Wolf_> 81 piece set
[19:10:46] <andypugh> You got lucky then?
[19:11:16] <Wolf_> bought a lot of 3 incomplete sets for $65 each
[19:11:58] <roycroft> and you can buy individual gage blocks fairly cheaply if you want to complete the sets
[19:12:03] <roycroft> you likely don't need to complete them though
[19:12:09] <roycroft> depending on which individual blocks are missing
[19:12:59] <roycroft> it also depends on whether you plan to flip them or not
[19:13:32] <Wolf_> so didn’t totally screw myself on how much I paid
[19:15:31] <Wolf_> I might just complete the other SPI set or just pass it off like it is for what I paid for it + shipping…
[19:15:48] <Wolf_> the 3rd set http://i.imgur.com/aWqHnQe.jpg seems interesting
[19:17:19] <lunada> so if i'm using modmath to control which direction to rotate my toolchanger turret, can i use the mod-dir outputs to start and stop the magazine rotary? or is it not "real time" throughout the toolchange?
[19:17:23] <roycroft> i have an import gage block set
[19:17:28] <roycroft> good enough for shop floor work
[19:17:41] <lunada> me too, they arent half bad roycroft
[19:17:53] <roycroft> i can live with 50 millionths
[19:17:54] <lunada> the worst part is the wax paper they are wrapped in
[19:21:49] <pcw_mesa> chopper79: do you have _all_ power management options disabled in the BIOS setup?
[19:23:35] <pcw_mesa> ms delays are very often power management related
[19:23:37] <pcw_mesa> any turbo mode or cstates >C1 will cause pain and suffering
[19:25:12] <Wolf_> ^ that caused me some grief with my j1900
[19:26:41] <pcw_mesa> also Ive had terrible latency with >4.1.x kernels for older hardware
[19:29:35] <BeachBumPete> http://i.imgur.com/hzfcUR3.jpg The finished Prototype :)
[19:29:35] <pcw_mesa> for example On my Core-Duo at home I get >700 usec latency with 4.4, 4.6, 4.8, 4.9 kernels but ~30 usec with 4.1.x
[19:34:47] <andypugh> I think this looks more like the wrong kernel-build options. Things like “fully premeptable kernel” etc. Not sure where to look for a list.
[19:41:06] <pcw_mesa> yeah, there are two things that must be checked in the kernel options
[19:41:07] <pcw_mesa> #1 is the 32/64 bit selection, #2 is the "Fully Preemptable Kernel" option
[19:41:56] <pcw_mesa> if you don't set #2 you will get a normal (non-realtime) kernel
[19:47:31] <chopper79> pcw: sorry it was taco time. all the power management is off
[19:50:38] <chopper79> 32bit is selected and "Full Preemtable Kernal" is checked.
[19:53:38] <chopper79> hyperthreading is on though.
[19:54:53] <lunada> hyperthreading should be off
[19:55:09] <lunada> from what little i know... it does make a difference
[19:55:47] <chopper79> I tried it and latency test would not even work. So I turned it back on and now latency test works..dont know there
[19:56:01] <andypugh> Though normally we are talking about turning it off in BIOS, not in the kernel build options
[19:57:03] <lunada> huh. weird.
[19:58:23] <chopper79> Should I turn a bunch of stuff in the kernal build then recompile?
[19:58:53] <chopper79> Should just have to run xconfig again and then recompile I think
[20:29:16] <skunkworks_> 4.8.6-rt5 #1 SMP PREEMPT RT Mon Nov 7 11:12:16 CST 2016 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[20:29:37] <skunkworks_> I get around 30us latency on a 2nd gen i7
[20:30:28] <skunkworks_> laptop - works good for testing stuff.
[20:30:40] <skunkworks_> just don't mute the volume ;)
[20:37:51] <MacGalempsy> alright. most of the connections are complete just 2 signals and one encoder left to go. time to start testing pins
[20:40:21] <lunada> ooh thats always fun
[20:50:26] <chopper79> I am in the bois now. I will be turning hyperthreading off. What else should I look for to disable?
[20:50:55] <Wolf_> everything?
[20:51:19] <pfred1> bois?
[20:51:34] <chopper79> haha...sorry bios
[20:51:40] <pfred1> oh bios
[20:51:48] <chopper79> fat fingered it
[20:51:58] <pfred1> hey I typo evrything
[20:52:21] <pfred1> plus I think this keyboard is going on me and that don't help mattrs any
[20:52:31] <pfred1> the fucking E key sticks
[20:52:45] <pfred1> well they're all getting funny anymore
[20:59:40] <chopper79> ok I turned off everthing but the usb. I will test latency now.
[21:02:19] <pfred1> chopper79 you have a multicore CPU?
[21:02:45] <chopper79> dual core
[21:02:56] <pfred1> you might want to try isolcpus
[21:03:09] <pfred1> just dedicate one core to yoru real time thread
[21:03:09] <chopper79> I checked north and south bridge to see what was in the setting
[21:03:25] <chopper79> Running test now and I show zero latency...haha
[21:04:10] <pfred1> I was having some real time delay issues and they cleared up when i updated
[21:04:14] <chopper79> for some reason when I disable hyperthreading the latency test does not register nay numbers
[21:04:16] <gregcnc> how is it possible that i've not seen this until now? https://youtu.be/xIxgPEVjxiA
[21:05:08] <Mac-Mill> having a problem getting the menus to show up in Linuxmint. I looked in Menu > Preferences > main menu but dont see anything. any ideas?
[21:05:09] <chopper79> just run a apt-get update?
[21:05:17] <pfred1> biscuits? we call those crackers here
[21:05:31] <gregcnc> crackers in tea?
[21:05:47] <chopper79> Go to display and remove second monitor. That was what mine was doing when I forst loaded
[21:05:52] <chopper79> with mint
[21:05:58] <pfred1> colin must watch AvE machining potatoes
[21:06:37] <chopper79> Mac: hit alt & f1 will pull up a menu so you can navigate to the display section
[21:06:53] <gregcnc> Mac-mill I found a new business plan if you have some time http://tinyurl.com/gl6zp6r
[21:08:52] <Mac-Mill> chopper79: its showing only one monitor
[21:09:11] <Mac-Mill> hmm. I know when it was loaded up, I did the menu install twice, and both times nothing happened
[21:09:46] <Mac-Mill> gregcnc: will take a look in a little bit, trying to get pncconf to open
[21:10:56] <chopper79> do you have a tool bar?
[21:12:05] <Mac-Mill> no
[21:12:26] <chopper79> that is exactly what mine was doing.
[21:12:53] <Wolf_> what directions did you use for the lcnc user space?
[21:14:01] <Mac-Mill> gosh, its been a few months, but I think it was the same one you and I were doing around the same time
[21:14:05] <chopper79> When I went to display there was two monitors showing in mine for some reason. One was the normal monitor and the other was laptp monitor.
[21:14:18] <Wolf_> lol
[21:14:25] <Wolf_> weird
[21:14:44] <chopper79> I disabled the laptop monitor and then my tool bar showed up and menu, etc.
[21:15:02] <chopper79> that ws before any lcnc stuff happened. Fresh mint install
[21:15:33] * pfred1 isn't much of a Mint fan
[21:17:26] <pfred1> here's a screenshot I took running kicad http://i.imgur.com/vyxO2DY.png
[21:17:27] <Wolf_ITX> http://pastebin.com/AnuFrtAd look at the stuff below line 28
[21:17:57] <pfred1> that's Debian Wheezy running the Trinity Desktop Environment
[21:18:31] <pfred1> or KDE 3
[21:19:26] <chopper79> ok turned hyperthreading back on and my latency test works again. Starts at 49,432 (servo max jitter) then the first terminal I open the numbers jump to 77000 and then open browser and 126300. Play a video and jumps o 2775612
[21:19:36] <Mac-Mill> Wolf_: I remember doing installing all the dependencies
[21:20:22] <Wolf_> really, I forgot what I did, but I have menu folder for Lcnc lol
[21:20:45] <chopper79> haha...My lcnc folder is missing still on mine
[21:20:55] <Mac-Mill> i did the esurplus method
[21:21:03] <Mac-Mill> everything is in linuxcnc-dev
[21:21:38] <chopper79> sorry... I meant cnc in the menu
[21:21:40] <Wolf_> yeah, I did the esuplus as well
[21:22:09] <Mac-Mill> i remember doing $make $make install-menus
[21:22:14] <Wolf_> mitsu height gauge looks tiny http://i.imgur.com/Z0OCw3e.jpg
[21:22:21] <Mac-Mill> and sudo make setuid
[21:22:26] <Mac-Mill> but nothing ever happened after that
[21:23:02] <chopper79> up to 4071992 on servo max jitter
[21:23:06] <chopper79> This is nuts
[21:23:10] <Wolf_> wow
[21:23:17] <pfred1> thanks Intel
[21:23:43] <chopper79> I am going to load debian and see what a factory build shows.
[21:24:02] <pfred1> I use cradek's image
[21:24:47] <pfred1> being as every machine i have runs Debian Wheezy anywys I'm good with it here
[21:24:56] <Wolf_> I still can’t figure out how the hell I’m going to get that stylus holder out of that Trimos…
[21:27:15] <Wolf_> can’t brute force it…
[21:51:18] <chopper79> almost finished with new install. I will run latecy test again (Wheezy) and see how it compared to Mint18.1
[21:55:53] <roycroft> you seem to enjoy playing with operating systems more than making chips
[21:58:16] <Wolf_> figures I need a ball end 3mm hex key and don’t have one here
[22:01:11] <chopper79> I make plenty of chips everyday. This is R&D for me
[22:04:23] * Wolf_ hasn’t been making chips
[22:04:38] <pfred1> roycroft the software side of things can be involved to sort out
[22:04:46] <Wolf_> and I seem to be collecting metrology gear now…
[22:05:05] <pfred1> software is tools too
[22:05:31] <pfred1> some of software needs a bit of honing to put into service too
[22:05:55] <Wolf_> honing? or a 7” grinder?
[22:05:55] <chopper79> ok...results are in. Mint 18.1 with 4.9.6rt kernal is 4071992 and stock wheezy is 33499 both on servo thread max jitter
[22:05:56] <pfred1> it don't come our of the box quite sharp
[22:06:13] <chopper79> Must be a kernel issue then
[22:06:34] <pfred1> chopper79 you ever try to build a kernel?
[22:06:39] <pfred1> you can you know
[22:07:04] <pfred1> I've built RTAI patched kernels for LinuxCNC
[22:07:22] <chopper79> The mint 18.1 was a compliled kernel
[22:07:24] <pfred1> it is quite an experience
[22:07:32] <Wolf_> I was getting 70-90k jitter and no video drivers on live-cd, on my 17.3 mint its at 30k jitter
[22:07:37] <chopper79> unless you are talking about something diffrent
[22:07:42] <pfred1> chopper79 you compiled it?
[22:07:45] <chopper79> yes
[22:07:46] <pfred1> you configure it?
[22:08:17] <chopper79> just in the xconfig section to chose Full preempt and 32 or 64bit
[22:08:17] <Wolf_> if you lazy out and don’t mind the build time you only need to click 2 boxes for the kernel config lol
[22:08:31] <pfred1> I've spent considerable time configuring some kernels
[22:09:00] <pfred1> Wolf_ yes but that is not going to yield a very tuned kernel
[22:09:04] <Wolf_> plus side just about everything under the sun will work with the kernel after that lol
[22:09:25] <chopper79> tones of stuff working right now on wheezy and still only at 33499ns
[22:09:28] <pfred1> you can spend weeks configuring a kernel
[22:09:37] <chopper79> tons
[22:09:39] <Wolf_> yeah, I wanted to slim it down some, but too much shit to messs with
[22:09:51] <pfred1> there are tricks to it
[22:10:11] <pfred1> that can get it down to hours, or maybe just days
[22:10:23] <Wolf_> I’m just happy that it worked after I was done
[22:10:23] <chopper79> I want a build that has nothing but desktop and lcnc.... well and a text edit. The rest can go
[22:10:40] <pfred1> they involve doing a bit of system data gathering coupled with searching for key words in the .config file
[22:11:06] <Wolf_> yeah, I read about doing system scans but couldnt figure it out
[22:11:19] <chopper79> no browser, no movie stuff, no office stuff, or anything else that is not required to run lcnc
[22:11:28] <Wolf_> I suck badly at linux
[22:11:40] <pfred1> chopper79 you best bet is to start with a Debian network install and the expert configuration option
[22:11:41] <chopper79> just pure machine control only.
[22:11:51] <pfred1> then choose nothing
[22:11:55] <chopper79> english please
[22:12:23] <pfred1> https://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/
[22:12:30] <chopper79> Where do I get it...never mind
[22:12:39] <pfred1> in the beginning it will give you install options
[22:12:44] <pfred1> choose expert
[22:12:55] <pfred1> then deselect evrything
[22:13:09] <pfred1> that sill give you a minimal system
[22:13:11] <chopper79> then I can load in my rt kernel and complile
[22:13:13] <pfred1> will eive
[22:13:16] <chopper79> preempt
[22:13:36] <pfred1> well when you reboot you'll be dumped to the console
[22:13:47] <pfred1> because you won't even have X Window
[22:13:58] <chopper79> lol.... I need a desktop.
[22:14:02] <pfred1> but you will be online
[22:14:11] <chopper79> I will get lost in there
[22:14:25] <pfred1> well in a few command you can get into X Window
[22:14:48] <pfred1> but you have to pick the most stripped down window manager to avoid most everything
[22:14:52] <chopper79> is there an option to leave x window working
[22:15:00] <pfred1> I suggest installing a WM called fluxbox
[22:15:19] <roycroft> Linux linuxcnc 4.1.15-rt17 #1 SMP PREEMPT RT Sun Jan 29 22:28:05 PST 2017 i686 GNU/Linux
[22:15:24] <pfred1> you aptitude install fluxbox and dpkg will pull in deps for X Window
[22:15:25] <roycroft> i'm where i want to be :)
[22:15:47] <roycroft> ready for the touch screen stuff and then installing linuxcnc
[22:16:12] <pfred1> then you can start a GUI
[22:16:37] <pfred1> but for a little while you will be in console black space
[22:16:52] <chopper79> that is what bothers me
[22:16:58] <pfred1> meh it's not so bad
[22:17:06] <chopper79> to the pro
[22:17:26] <pfred1> well it is the primo way to build a stripper system
[22:17:31] <Wolf_> gives me flashbacks to dos and running novell servers...
[22:17:38] <pfred1> oh yeah it is like that
[22:17:48] <pfred1> but just until you install a window manager
[22:18:20] <chopper79> That is all I really want is a stripped down bare bones run your machine system with a text edit program. Start pc boots to lcnc and be done with it.
[22:18:31] <pfred1> I forget if you have to setup sudo, or not it's been a while ince I've done an install
[22:18:32] <chopper79> then I can make the gui look different later
[22:18:41] <pfred1> setting up sudo can be a bit of a trick
[22:19:00] <roycroft> sudo is not part of a stock debian install
[22:19:03] <pfred1> you cn change yoru WM, or D anytime you want to
[22:19:11] <pfred1> WM or DE
[22:19:35] <pfred1> hek you can run multiple sessions at once if you want to
[22:19:51] <chopper79> download is going
[22:20:01] <pfred1> yeah net install is a small image
[22:20:12] <pfred1> I think maybe 80MB?
[22:20:24] <pfred1> there ain't nothing to it
[22:20:28] <roycroft> debian net install is about 250MB
[22:20:38] <chopper79> I will gie this a shot.... where is the information I woudl need to get going? Please dont say google it as I do not know what to google to get it. Is there a how to or anyting
[22:20:46] <pfred1> wow my first slackware was only 128MB
[22:20:49] <pfred1> that was everything too
[22:21:16] <chopper79> building linux is a blackhole for me
[22:21:29] <pfred1> you can IRC
[22:21:31] <chopper79> get lost fast
[22:21:38] <pfred1> you know how to switch consoles?
[22:21:46] <chopper79> nope
[22:21:56] <pfred1> OK in Inux there's 7 screens
[22:22:07] <Wolf_> wtf really?
[22:22:09] <pfred1> you get to them with keystroke combinations
[22:22:12] <pfred1> yes
[22:22:30] <pfred1> in X Window the combination is ctrl + Alt +Fx
[22:22:37] <pfred1> your X session if F8
[22:22:50] <pfred1> but any of the other Fs will domp you at a console
[22:23:05] <pfred1> X spawns its own screen
[22:23:18] <MacGalempsy> well, just got thru pncconf and after a long day standing, I think its over for the day. time to relax
[22:23:39] <pfred1> all the other consoles are always running in the background
[22:23:45] <chopper79> I hear ya there Mac
[22:23:59] <chopper79> pfred: ok
[22:24:14] <pfred1> but when you'r eat the console yo ucan still change consoles like they're windows
[22:24:22] <pfred1> which is handy
[22:24:27] <MacGalempsy> I was surprised that radioshack had just about every adafruit item in stock
[22:24:54] <pfred1> so you can alt+F2 start a new session and IRC
[22:25:13] <chopper79> getting nervous and bit lost all ready
[22:25:20] <pfred1> I've IRCed while I was doing installs
[22:25:26] <MacGalempsy> picked up a trinket mini and hoping to work with it to turn the probe into a wireless setup
[22:25:53] <pfred1> you just have to install a client and away you go
[22:25:53] <Wolf_> cool Mac
[22:26:13] * Wolf_ needs to lrn2 linux and code…
[22:26:30] <pfred1> I've just run Linux since 1996
[22:26:31] <MacGalempsy> after the machine is up and going, I will pester Wolf_ into helping me with the code
[22:26:37] <pfred1> o I know a thing or three about it now
[22:27:00] <Wolf_> I hit ctrl-alt-f1 and see a tty1 thing
[22:27:05] <pfred1> yup
[22:27:14] <pfred1> but F1 is chewed up by your X session
[22:27:16] <pfred1> try F2
[22:27:18] <Wolf_> and a login:
[22:27:18] <chopper79> after everything is running. I can then proceed to do any changes I want and it will operate in a desktop enviroment right? Just like now but with a small build
[22:27:22] <pfred1> you can login to that one
[22:27:29] <roycroft> my new keyboard does not have function keys
[22:27:35] <pfred1> hmm maybe DMs don't burn a console?
[22:27:40] <roycroft> hopefully that will not be a major problem with linuxcnc
[22:27:49] <MacGalempsy> made the mistake of wearing shoes with poor arch support. that concrete floor put the pain onme
[22:28:07] <roycroft> i use stall mats on my garage concrete floor
[22:28:08] <MacGalempsy> totally forgot to move the antifatigue mats
[22:28:09] <pfred1> MacGalempsy you weren't gellin?
[22:28:18] <roycroft> i would not be able to stand on concrete for long periods of time
[22:29:03] <Wolf_> was going to say you need to get a mat but having them doesn’t help if you don’t move the stupid thing
[22:29:04] <MacGalempsy> usually I do, but put the sanuks on and got so excited about getting the machine together, that i didnt realize it until I just sat down
[22:29:10] <pfred1> roycroft I'd be lost without function keys
[22:29:42] <pfred1> but I guess in some situations you can get away without them?
[22:30:05] <pfred1> you can even have a mouse in a Linux console
[22:30:17] <roycroft> if i need them i can just add some extra pushbuttons to the console
[22:30:22] <pfred1> but I haven't run bpm for a long time
[22:30:24] <roycroft> the keyboard i got has a trackball
[22:30:29] <pfred1> gpm even
[22:30:37] <chopper79> I feel like I am getting in way over my head here
[22:30:39] <Wolf_> any reading suggestions that are noob friendly for linux
[22:30:46] <pfred1> chopper79 just ask
[22:31:59] <pfred1> Wolf_ I started out reading the LDP guides but they're pretty out of date today
[22:32:06] <chopper79> I will but I do not like to pester people about things if I can avoid it. Seems like the last couple of days I have asked more then I should have
[22:32:26] <pfred1> this might be OK http://www.tldp.org/LDP/intro-linux/html/index.html
[22:32:41] <Wolf_> naa, should have been in here when I was trying to compile my box lol
[22:32:47] <pfred1> last time it was updated was in 2008
[22:32:56] <MacGalempsy> how about a linux for dummies book? the series got me thru calc based physics
[22:33:20] <pfred1> ah I'd recommend the Oreilly books like Linux in a nutshell
[22:33:30] <chopper79> I am taking physics, calc, and statics this semester.
[22:33:38] <pfred1> Linux really isn't for dummies
[22:33:42] <MacGalempsy> ouch. which physics?
[22:33:46] <chopper79> 2
[22:33:52] <MacGalempsy> cool e&m?
[22:34:12] <pfred1> Linux in a Nutshell is the classis basic Linux guide
[22:34:24] <roycroft> *nix is a hell of a lot easier than windows
[22:34:32] <pfred1> it is the one true OS
[22:34:34] <chopper79> next semester is mechanisms and I forgot
[22:34:42] <roycroft> there is no "one true os"
[22:34:46] <pfred1> UNIX is
[22:34:47] <MacGalempsy> electricity and magnetism
[22:34:48] <roycroft> operating systems are not ends
[22:34:54] <roycroft> they are just means to an end
[22:34:57] <Wolf_> yeah, big issue I have trying to do shit but not knowing linux is when I find the info, I don’t understand wtf i’m looking at
[22:34:59] <chopper79> yes
[22:35:05] <roycroft> operating systems exist to run applications
[22:35:06] <pfred1> well UNIX makes a lot of logical sense
[22:35:18] <pfred1> UNIX was made to run space war
[22:35:23] <MacGalempsy> that will be great. you can work on circuits after that
[22:35:33] <chopper79> 2 semester left and I will have my degree.
[22:35:36] <chopper79> ME
[22:36:20] <pfred1> Wolf_ ls /usr/share/doc
[22:36:33] <MacGalempsy> whats your senior project?
[22:36:35] <chopper79> Left my old job where I built cnc machines all day to go back to school to finish my ME and build my own machines...haha
[22:38:20] <chopper79> nothing yet. My partners are not very good at making choices. I have a feeling I will have to just say.... making this if you dont like it leave.
[22:38:23] <Wolf_> pfred1: lol and then what
[22:38:44] <pfred1> Wolf_ when you see something that piques your interest see what's there
[22:39:10] <chopper79> Nothing... only getting my degree to show my daughter who has learning dissablities lik emyself that it can be done.
[22:39:14] <pfred1> right now I'n trying to find out how much disk space the docs are burning up on my system
[22:39:23] <pfred1> pfred1@buck:/usr/share/doc$ du -h
[22:39:31] <pfred1> 2.0G .
[22:39:41] <pfred1> 2 GB!
[22:39:48] <Wolf_> no. I meant more like, how to get something working and all I find is some thing that sounds like a answer and then a bunch of commands that I have no idea what they do
[22:39:51] <pfred1> that's a lot of info
[22:40:21] <Wolf_> or stuff that just doesn’t work lol
[22:40:27] <pfred1> I run into that
[22:40:46] <pfred1> I just tried to build slicr and what a mess it was
[22:41:14] <Wolf_> hell, took me 4-6 hrs to get com port + a terminal working
[22:41:21] <pfred1> there's stuff that is over everyone's head
[22:41:47] <Wolf_> I was ready to throw the damn thing across the room lol
[22:41:47] <pfred1> but you got it working?
[22:41:59] <MacGalempsy> I think if I did it all over again, I would have become a drilling engineer
[22:42:07] <Wolf_> yeah, got it working, which didn’t work lol
[22:42:44] <pfred1> Linux is like life the more you put into it the more you get out of it
[22:42:45] <Gene_home> whats a drilling engineer?
[22:42:45] <Wolf_> switched to a usb>ttl serial
[22:43:48] <chopper79> 15min left of download
[22:43:59] <chopper79> come on internet speed up
[22:44:01] <pfred1> Wolf_ sometimes it isn't the destination it is the journey
[22:44:29] <Wolf_> yup, I learned that nothing works right in linux lol :D
[22:44:32] <pfred1> you must have learned something getting serial to work
[22:45:38] <Wolf_> next time just use the windows machine…
[22:46:04] <MacGalempsy> hahaha
[22:46:26] <MacGalempsy> i feel for you, im a fellow linutard
[22:46:35] <chopper79> pfred: when I install this I will choose the advanced options to configure?
[22:46:46] <chopper79> Anything I should leave in there?
[22:46:50] <pfred1> with LInux you often need to be able to read and follow directions to get things to work
[22:47:16] <pfred1> chopper79 you can try adding X window
[22:47:24] <Wolf_> if the software package works with the kernel/distro/fork you are running
[22:47:34] <chopper79> ok... not there yet but wanted to ask before you left or something
[22:47:40] <pfred1> but that is going to download a lot of junk
[22:47:57] <pfred1> if you pick one of the major DEs
[22:48:06] <pfred1> I'll hang around
[22:48:27] <chopper79> ok 10min let of download. moving at a blazing fast 171kb/s
[22:48:31] <pfred1> I figured this out when I wanted to run the DE i like
[22:48:46] <pfred1> you might be using a crappy mirror
[22:48:56] <chopper79> debians site
[22:49:02] <chopper79> and my internet sucks ass
[22:49:05] <pfred1> one of the secrets of Debian is findign a good mirror
[22:49:20] <Wolf_> doesn’t matter what mirror, he will always be at 171kb/s
[22:49:23] <roycroft> excellent
[22:49:29] <pfred1> the chooser tool I don't think does a very good job
[22:49:31] <roycroft> that touchscreen works brilliantly with the correct driver
[22:49:41] <chopper79> my tops speed I have ever seen is about 200kb/s
[22:49:45] <Wolf_> lol
[22:49:57] <roycroft> now i just have to install linuxcnc, and bob's my uncle
[22:50:02] <Wolf_> my touchscreen worked soon as I plugged it in
[22:50:07] <pfred1> hey I downloaded my first distro on a dial up
[22:50:19] <roycroft> i'm using a dell
[22:50:24] <pfred1> Wolf_ tell us how good it works in 10 years
[22:50:27] <chopper79> I remeebr those days.... 28.8
[22:50:28] <roycroft> which i found out has a microtouch touch screen
[22:50:46] <Wolf_> pfred1: what, the touchscreen?
[22:50:49] <roycroft> i just had to install the microtouch driver and some supporting utilities
[22:51:04] <pfred1> Wolf_ yes
[22:51:18] <Wolf_> probably fine, its on the linux box :P
[22:51:24] <pfred1> oh OK
[22:51:37] <Wolf_> its a old touchscreen so it works
[22:51:42] <Wolf_> if it was new…
[22:52:14] <pfred1> chopper79 it took me 3 days to download slackware
[22:52:25] <roycroft> this is my 15" touchscreen
[22:52:41] <roycroft> my 17" touchscreens are elo, and i've already tested them with with linuxcnc
[22:52:44] <Wolf_> I hooked up the 15” elo
[22:52:44] <chopper79> Yeah and if a phone call needed to be made....
[22:53:04] <roycroft> but i wanted to use the smaller display if possible, to conserve on control panel real estate
[22:53:16] <Wolf_> I can’t remember what dial up was like
[22:53:22] <pfred1> I can
[22:53:29] <Wolf_> been on cable internet since ‘95
[22:53:37] <pfred1> I can still remember the sound my modem used ot make connecting
[22:53:43] <chopper79> lol
[22:53:50] <roycroft> when i took my first computer programming class we worked at a teletype terminal with a punch tape machine
[22:54:04] <pfred1> I had an extrnal sportster
[22:54:05] <roycroft> it was connected to a pdp-8 on another campus via a 300 baud acoustic coupled modem
[22:54:10] <MacGalempsy> i got this 19" elo, but its old and the x-calibrate doesnt work with it, so later I will have to scramble thru finding the right driver from elo
[22:54:33] <pfred1> it was like the soundblaster of modems
[22:54:34] <Wolf_> if its for the Mint build, I have a link somewhere
[22:54:44] <pfred1> it was LOUS!
[22:54:49] <chopper79> I am still debating on a touchscreen for my vmc like I had on my last one
[22:54:49] <pfred1> LOUD
[22:55:10] <Wolf_> but I think its just the ubuntu driver pack
[22:55:30] <pfred1> distros don't matter with hardware drivers
[22:55:37] <pfred1> Linux is Linux
[22:56:09] <Wolf_> software configuration for touchscreen calibration
[22:58:14] <roycroft> i used xinput_calibrator just now
[22:59:04] <chopper79> ISO is loading on to usb stick
[22:59:11] <pfred1> all right
[22:59:27] <pfred1> did you md5sum it?
[22:59:41] <chopper79> nope
[22:59:53] <pfred1> I think it checks itself anyways
[22:59:54] <chopper79> loaded in win32 and
[23:00:35] <pfred1> normally when you download images you use the md5sum command and compare the output
[23:00:57] <chopper79> boot loader menu is up
[23:01:00] <chopper79> Which selection
[23:01:02] <pfred1> sweet
[23:01:05] <chopper79> advanced?
[23:01:15] <pfred1> there should be an expert OK advanced
[23:01:21] <pfred1> ah which version did you get?
[23:01:34] <pfred1> you probably got jessie
[23:01:36] <Wolf_ITX> MacGalempsy: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=579155&p=7002567#post7002567
[23:01:36] <MacGalempsy> Wolf_: did you only have to use one analog in to read the probe?
[23:01:44] <pfred1> does LinuxCNC work on jessie?
[23:01:53] <pfred1> I guess we're going to find out
[23:02:11] <chopper79> The one you liked to.... debian 8.7.1 i386 netinst iso
[23:02:12] <pfred1> you're better off wheezy is almost EOL
[23:02:23] <Wolf_> MacGalempsy: using 2, one is working at a output and one is pulled gnd
[23:02:36] <Wolf_> or something…
[23:02:37] <pfred1> you'll be in better hape than the resto f us
[23:02:47] <pfred1> use jessie
[23:02:55] <pfred1> you'll be good for years
[23:02:56] <Wolf_> I really have no idea how archivist made it work lol
[23:02:57] <MacGalempsy> Wolf_ITX: the elo site had a few 64bit drivers, I just need to look and see which model mine is
[23:02:58] <chopper79> advanced option gave me expert install option
[23:03:06] <pfred1> yes
[23:03:09] <pfred1> pick that
[23:03:18] <MacGalempsy> in the past, they worked, but that was a 32bit driver
[23:03:18] <chopper79> done
[23:03:38] <MacGalempsy> actually, the screen works now, it just needs to be calibrated
[23:03:40] <chopper79> at installer menu
[23:03:57] <Wolf_> I did find that dual monitors + touch screen = WTF
[23:04:07] <pfred1> yeah hmm can LinuxCNC run on 64 bit?
[23:04:16] <pfred1> I never tried
[23:04:23] <Wolf_> I hope so
[23:04:33] <MacGalempsy> yeah
[23:04:42] <pfred1> I honestly don't know i only ever ran 64 bit once and that did not go well
[23:04:48] <MacGalempsy> i got it running on mint 17.3 mate 64bit
[23:04:52] <pfred1> OK
[23:04:56] <Wolf_ITX> Linux CNC-ITX1 4.8.14-rt9 #1 SMP PREEMPT RT Thu Dec 15 06:51:03 EST 2016 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[23:05:05] <pfred1> sweet
[23:05:17] <pfred1> one less thing
[23:05:25] <chopper79> choices are language,keyboard, cd rom,debconf priority,
[23:05:28] <pfred1> chopper79 is there a RT kernel option?
[23:05:39] <pfred1> well yeah do that stuff
[23:05:52] <pfred1> get up to where you need to select what to install
[23:05:53] <MacGalempsy> Wolf_ITX: was 5v output enough?
[23:06:05] <chopper79> one sec
[23:06:07] <Wolf_> but, pcw noted that some 64 builds will run more latency then 32 but
[23:06:12] <Wolf_> but/bit
[23:06:29] <pfred1> yeah I'm still leary about 64 bit compatibility
[23:06:32] <MacGalempsy> https://learn.adafruit.com/introducing-trinket/pinouts
[23:06:32] <Wolf_> MacGalempsy: no idea, have to look at the code
[23:07:18] <pfred1> but over time that issue is gradually going away
[23:07:28] <Wolf_> like I said, I have no idea how archivist did it, its actually reading the resistance across the contacts in the probe
[23:07:35] <pfred1> really now I've no reason to stick qith 32 bit anymore
[23:07:54] <MacGalempsy> hoping that after getting this thing working with the probe, that I can make a custom arbor for the tp1s and mount the board in the base of the arbor
[23:08:12] <chopper79> at the debconf section. Do I ignore critical, high, medium, or low
[23:08:20] <chopper79> questions
[23:08:58] <Wolf_> sounds like a plan MacGalempsy, I screwed myself there my Mp1 came with the right arbor lol
[23:09:01] <pfred1> it shouldn't matter
[23:09:31] <pfred1> I'd rather not ignore anything
[23:09:46] <MacGalempsy> right now, I have it mounted into one of the atc collet holders, so it has like an extra inch on it
[23:09:56] <MacGalempsy> maybe 2 or 3 inches
[23:10:00] <Wolf_> ahh
[23:10:14] <chopper79> last option I need to select is execute shell.... nothing in the setup about removing stuf
[23:10:16] <Wolf_> so make a shell mill adapter or something for it
[23:10:21] <MacGalempsy> yeah
[23:10:29] <pfred1> bash?
[23:10:48] <chopper79> no bash option
[23:11:12] <pfred1> what are the options?
[23:11:20] <MacGalempsy> http://www.hobby-machinist.com/data/attachments/125/125617-7b7b768f9e006cc3a5616fb15d143aaf.jpg
[23:11:45] <Wolf_> oh thats TTS
[23:12:00] <Wolf_> I’m using that as well…
[23:12:16] <roycroft> well yay
[23:12:24] <roycroft> linuxcnc is running and touchy is working
[23:12:27] <Wolf_> the Mp1s I have has a 3/4” arbor on it
[23:12:35] <roycroft> it's overshooting the display a bit, but i can tweak that
[23:12:39] <MacGalempsy> that right collet is what im using, so the tool holders in the ATC will need to be redesigned. I got 20 for like 600
[23:12:41] <chopper79> Here is what I did....... Chose language, configured keyboard, changed debconf prioities to meduim Last option to do anything is abort install and execute shell
[23:13:07] <MacGalempsy> the official replacements were 80 each
[23:13:12] <pfred1> oh it is asking you if you want to run a command prompt
[23:13:15] <roycroft> i should run a latency test to see what's up with that
[23:13:24] <Wolf_> you know you can get the rings to put on anything
[23:13:41] <MacGalempsy> so for saving 1000, I figured on just making replacement pockets for the atc
[23:13:41] <chopper79> so I will execute a shell then
[23:13:58] <pfred1> there's no continue?
[23:14:33] <pfred1> you still need to configure your partitions
[23:15:00] <MacGalempsy> ok. im going to bed. catch you all tomorrow.
[23:15:07] <pfred1> nite Mac
[23:15:09] <chopper79> after I selected execute shell. I get interactive shell prompt about running "ash" a bourne-shell
[23:15:21] <chopper79> then there is a continue
[23:15:28] <pfred1> yeah ok
[23:15:36] <pfred1> that's weird
[23:15:52] <pfred1> this will be a bit rocky for a bit
[23:15:57] <chopper79> ok I am in busybox now
[23:16:03] <pfred1> that's never good
[23:16:17] <roycroft> 49k and 51k
[23:16:24] <roycroft> not great but not horrible
[23:16:36] <chopper79> Let me reboot and se if there are other options
[23:16:49] <pfred1> yeah that went off the rails
[23:16:54] <chopper79> lol
[23:16:56] <roycroft> with the mesa card i should be fine
[23:17:36] <Wolf_> yeah
[23:18:07] <chopper79> ok boot loader is back..... I have install, graphical install, advanced options, help, install with speech synthesis
[23:18:07] <roycroft> so as far as i'm concerned, the basic install is done, and i'm happy
[23:18:21] <roycroft> jessie with a rt kernel and linuxcnc2.7 running with a touch screen
[23:18:26] <pfred1> try just install
[23:18:38] <Wolf_> I’m happy with my setup but, touchy crashes when I try to open it
[23:18:42] <pfred1> then see if it gives you expert there
[23:18:59] <roycroft> i have a lot of configuration work to do, but none of that for a bit
[23:19:15] <chopper79> well now its loading a bunch of components
[23:19:26] <roycroft> i have the 5i25 plugged in, but not the 7i76 or 7i73
[23:19:27] <pfred1> Wolf_ you ever open it from a terminal?
[23:19:35] <Wolf_> no
[23:19:39] <roycroft> i'm about to order drives and motors
[23:19:41] <chopper79> detecting hardware
[23:19:44] <pfred1> might get more optput then
[23:19:47] <pfred1> output
[23:19:58] <roycroft> when those arrive i'll start configuring things
[23:20:20] <Wolf_> linuxtard, I don’t know how to open it in terminal lol
[23:20:24] <roycroft> i should probably see what the linuxcnc machine thinks about my new keyboard - i tested it on something else
[23:20:37] <roycroft> what are you trying to open?
[23:20:42] <pfred1> open a terminal and type which touchy
[23:20:42] <Wolf_> touchy
[23:21:01] <pfred1> see if it is on your path
[23:21:05] <chopper79> ok... stalled at network hardware. Question is load missing firmware from removable medi? yes or no? I do not have nay other media so those willhave to be loaded later then right
[23:21:06] <roycroft> it should be in /usr/bin
[23:21:09] <pfred1> if not type locate touchy
[23:21:32] <roycroft> what network chipset do you have, chopper79
[23:21:33] <roycroft> ?
[23:21:42] <Wolf_> not found…
[23:21:46] <pfred1> oh crap
[23:21:51] <roycroft> /usr/bin/touchy
[23:21:55] <roycroft> it's not there?
[23:22:07] <chopper79> one sec I will tell you the chipset
[23:22:10] <pfred1> load missing firmware is going to be a bitch
[23:22:12] <roycroft> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 38457 Nov 8 23:16 /usr/bin/touchy
[23:22:15] <pfred1> this is where debian bones people
[23:22:21] <roycroft> not necessarily
[23:22:37] <roycroft> from recent experience i can say that if it's a realtek chipset you can just forge ahead
[23:22:38] <pfred1> yeah you have to download the binary blob
[23:22:45] <pfred1> oh OK
[23:22:46] <roycroft> there's a "free" driver for it that sucks
[23:22:51] <Wolf_ITX> bash: /usr/bin/touchy: No such file or directory
[23:22:51] <roycroft> but it gets you on the network
[23:23:04] <roycroft> then you can install the non-free driver that actually performs well
[23:23:05] <pfred1> well that beats how it used to be
[23:23:10] <chopper79> Here is my MB and no I did nto pay that amoutn for it. https://www.amazon.com/CDC-ID2550-Intel-D2550-Mini-ITX-Motherboard/dp/B00IXPKJV4
[23:23:19] <pfred1> yeah you need a net connection
[23:23:31] <roycroft> try skipping the non-free driver
[23:23:56] <pfred1> see if you're online now
[23:24:00] <roycroft> there's a good chance you'll be able to get the network adapter to work anyway
[23:24:13] <roycroft> otherwise, download a non-free .iso and install from that
[23:24:16] <pfred1> open another treminal and ping google.com
[23:24:33] <roycroft> i don't know what's up with that, wolf_itx
[23:24:33] <chopper79> how to pen another terminal again
[23:24:51] <roycroft> are you running 2.8 or pre-2.7?
[23:24:56] <pfred1> roycroft I think there's a non-free blob yo ucan just download
[23:24:57] <Wolf_> axis and everything else works in lcnc
[23:24:58] <roycroft> or did you do your own build?
[23:24:59] <chopper79> open sorry
[23:25:16] <roycroft> i had problems loading just the .deb file with that driver
[23:25:21] <roycroft> i don't recall what they were
[23:25:26] <Wolf_ITX> git checkout 2.7
[23:25:26] <roycroft> because i found another way to do it
[23:25:37] <Wolf_> 2.7 I think lol
[23:25:42] <roycroft> it may install in a different hierarchy
[23:25:50] <roycroft> see if it's in /usr/local/bin/touchy
[23:25:54] <pfred1> Wolf_ when you run axis open a trminal and type ps aux | grep axis
[23:26:00] <chopper79> I hit no and it detected eth0 anyway and setup network
[23:26:09] <pfred1> chopper79 win!
[23:26:19] <roycroft> that's what i expected might happen
[23:26:25] <pfred1> yeah that's great
[23:26:30] <roycroft> finish the install, and then installl the non-free driver later
[23:26:32] <pfred1> keep going
[23:26:52] <pfred1> yeh you can install the non-free jazz with aptitude
[23:27:50] <pfred1> debian likes to poke users in the eye occasionally
[23:27:55] <chopper79> ok passwords are alls et and time zone selected. Partition is underway
[23:28:11] <pfred1> we can work around it though
[23:28:16] <Wolf_> ok now what
[23:28:25] <pfred1> where did it say axis was?
[23:28:37] <pfred1> touchy is probably in the same place
[23:28:37] <Wolf_ITX> linuxcncsvr -ini /home/wolf/lcnc/configs/sim/axis/axis.ini
[23:28:40] <chopper79> Installing base system at the moment
[23:28:51] <pfred1> ah ha
[23:29:10] <pfred1> so ls /home/wolf/lcnc/configs/sim
[23:29:11] <roycroft> /usr/bin/axis
[23:29:22] <roycroft> axis and touchy are in the same place on my machine
[23:29:22] <pfred1> nah it is all linuxcncsvr
[23:29:29] <pfred1> you just change inis
[23:29:41] <roycroft> find / -name touchy -ls
[23:29:48] <roycroft> brute force will find it
[23:29:53] <Wolf_> yeah, its right in the sim folder ...
[23:29:57] <chopper79> reminds me of when I set up my linux server....same screen theme
[23:30:05] <pfred1> command is probably going to be linuxcncsvr -ini /home/wolf/lcnc/configs/sim/touchy/touchy.ini
[23:30:15] <pfred1> or something like that
[23:31:01] <pfred1> chopper79 ncurses
[23:31:28] <Wolf_> nope
[23:32:49] <pfred1> try locate touchy
[23:32:52] <pfred1> it is faster
[23:33:38] <Wolf_> all in the lcnc folder
[23:33:52] <chopper79> 95%
[23:33:57] <chopper79> 97%
[23:34:06] <pfred1> is there a touchy.ini ?
[23:34:09] <chopper79> 99%
[23:34:52] <chopper79> ok... have options of mirris now.
[23:34:57] <pfred1> there must be a command that launches touchy
[23:35:11] <chopper79> mirrors
[23:35:23] <pfred1> chopper79 the way I pic ka mirror is i just know one that has always been good for me
[23:35:24] <chopper79> One you recommend?
[23:35:45] <chopper79> ok
[23:35:57] <pfred1> there's a program that purports to pick a godo one for you
[23:36:05] <pfred1> but I've never known it to work well
[23:36:13] <Wolf_ITX> http://pastebin.com/QPnxLTrx
[23:36:21] <chopper79> used the kernel.org one
[23:36:27] <chopper79> 40% done now
[23:36:39] <pfred1> what's good for you depends on where you are networkwise
[23:36:55] <chopper79> true
[23:38:14] <chopper79> hahahaha..... hackers theme song just came on.
[23:38:20] <chopper79> thanks pandora
[23:38:21] <pfred1> yeah if you picked next to nothing installing should go quickly
[23:38:49] <chopper79> I no options to pick anything
[23:38:53] <chopper79> just went
[23:39:10] <pfred1> we'll see what you end up with
[23:39:41] <chopper79> moving pretty quick for my lame connection speeds
[23:39:54] <Wolf_> lol OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/home/wolf/linuxcnc/nc_files'
[23:40:11] <Wolf_> something wasn’t written right...
[23:40:28] <pfred1> base install of Debian is only a couple GB
[23:40:39] <chopper79> ok I have choices for desktop enviroment
[23:40:45] <pfred1> ah ha
[23:40:48] <roycroft> they all suck
[23:40:52] <pfred1> this is where you have to be careful
[23:41:08] <pfred1> can you just skip it?
[23:41:32] <roycroft> xfce is fairly small and less sucky than the others
[23:41:38] <pfred1> meh
[23:41:40] <chopper79> gnome,xfce,kde,cinnamon,mate,lxde,webserver,sshserver
[23:42:01] <roycroft> lxde is even more minimal than xfcd
[23:42:09] <roycroft> whatever you do do NOT select gnome
[23:42:09] <pfred1> anmy of those except for the servers is going to drag in tons of crap
[23:42:33] <pfred1> I'd pick sshserver then disable it
[23:42:34] <chopper79> right now debian desktop enviroment is check by default
[23:42:38] <roycroft> gnome will install billions and billions of other packages
[23:43:01] <pfred1> you can install a lightweight WM once you boot into the system
[23:43:02] <roycroft> ssh server is not a desktop environment
[23:43:03] <chopper79> sshserver it is
[23:43:10] <roycroft> i would recommend xfce to start with
[23:43:22] <chopper79> to late
[23:43:26] <pfred1> I guess it isn't the worst thing
[23:43:33] <roycroft> ssh server is below the desktop environment choices
[23:43:42] <roycroft> it's not part of that group
[23:43:57] <roycroft> and if the machine is on a network you want an ssh server
[23:44:19] <pfred1> I usually make one a server the rest are clients
[23:44:35] <chopper79> shit.... 1600 files it is grabbing. I guess it did debian
[23:44:37] <pfred1> I do like ssh
[23:44:56] <roycroft> i don't see how that works unless you only ever ssh into one machine
[23:44:57] <pfred1> it is the only way i can manage to install gentoo
[23:44:58] <chopper79> I put the symbol in sshserver and hit continue
[23:45:36] <pfred1> now there's a paiful distro
[23:45:47] <Wolf_> so why the hell is my touchy being stupid and looking for a folder that doesn’t exist
[23:45:58] <roycroft> it's touchy software
[23:45:59] <pfred1> yo usure touchy i installed?
[23:46:04] <chopper79> no indications on what selection was made. If it screwed up sorry
[23:46:20] <pfred1> well you can always uninstall later
[23:46:21] <Wolf_ITX> http://pastebin.com/QPnxLTrx pfred1
[23:46:53] <chopper79> 1hr 21min of file downloads ahead
[23:47:06] <chopper79> I hope I did not pick the wrong one
[23:47:59] <pfred1> Wolf_ITX mkdir /home/wolf/linuxcnc/nc_files
[23:48:19] <Wolf_> no, its looking for all the stuff in that folder...
[23:48:27] <pfred1> see if that stops it from crying
[23:48:32] <pfred1> ah
[23:48:49] <pfred1> well at least you've a slue what you're missing
[23:48:58] <pfred1> it sounds fixable
[23:49:18] <Wolf_> reinstall linux cnc in a new folder?
[23:49:29] <Wolf_> or can I rename it without breaking everything
[23:49:37] <pfred1> or just populate that directory with the file that are supposed to be there
[23:49:46] <pfred1> it should work
[23:50:23] <pfred1> progress is getting new error messages until things work
[23:50:47] <pfred1> any different error message is a win
[23:51:13] <pfred1> it is like a video game where you have to beat level bosses
[23:51:30] <Wolf_> oh yeah, that broke everything lol
[23:51:42] <roycroft> you did not pick a desktop environment
[23:51:58] <pfred1> roycroft you don't have to
[23:52:09] <roycroft> no, but he keeps saying he did
[23:52:11] <pfred1> linux will run without X
[23:52:19] <pfred1> yeah well
[23:52:40] <pfred1> we can still change it
[23:52:51] <roycroft> this linuxcnc machine is the first one where i've installe x in a long long time
[23:52:52] <pfred1> you can change your DE any time
[23:53:01] <roycroft> you can't change it if you don't have one
[23:53:05] <roycroft> you can add one any time
[23:53:10] <pfred1> well you install one
[23:53:11] <chopper79> I am not sure...... I tabed down to sshserver and hit enter. Then it took off on to downloading stuff
[23:53:17] <chopper79> tabbed
[23:53:19] <roycroft> yes, that's normal
[23:53:42] <pfred1> the base is still a lot of packages even without any X stuff
[23:53:43] <roycroft> with a net install, the install media will install just enough stuff to let you partition the disk and get the network up
[23:53:46] <roycroft> then it will ask you for a mirror
[23:53:59] <roycroft> and it will install the base utilities that you absolutely must have to run the os
[23:54:07] <roycroft> then it will ask you what other things you want to install
[23:54:10] <roycroft> that's where you are now
[23:54:11] <pfred1> yeah the net install is nest to nothing you have to download everything
[23:54:18] <roycroft> you picked desktop environment and ssh
[23:54:24] <pfred1> but you have to download everything anyways
[23:54:38] <roycroft> now you're going to install abuttload of stuff
[23:54:38] <chopper79> oh ok... Makes me feel a bit better now
[23:54:40] <pfred1> least you don't download anything you don't need
[23:55:00] <roycroft> if you picked desktop environment at the top of that page
[23:55:06] <chopper79> I dont mind starting over
[23:55:09] <roycroft> but did not select any of the desktop manager packages below
[23:55:11] <pfred1> yeah you'll download a lot for any DE
[23:55:14] <roycroft> you'll install an x server
[23:55:19] <roycroft> and the x fonts/utils, etc.
[23:55:22] <pfred1> nah keep going we'll fix it up
[23:55:26] <chopper79> ok
[23:55:47] <pfred1> which DE did you pick?
[23:55:52] <roycroft> he did not
[23:55:55] <roycroft> he skipped that stuff
[23:55:58] <pfred1> oh then no worries
[23:56:04] <roycroft> so it will just install x
[23:56:11] <chopper79> I think it defaults to debian DE
[23:56:12] <pfred1> not with no DE it won't
[23:56:17] <roycroft> as long as it's not gnome
[23:56:30] <pfred1> you pick nothing yo uget nothing
[23:56:50] <Wolf_> well, no keyboard input mdi with touchy?
[23:56:53] <pfred1> debian is totally cool with that
[23:57:21] <pfred1> Wolf_ you get touchy working?
[23:57:54] <Wolf_> yeah, made a linuxcnc directory and copied nc_files over
[23:57:59] <pfred1> sweet!
[23:58:13] <pfred1> you beat the big boss
[23:58:13] <Wolf_> and I’m not impressed lol
[23:58:23] <pfred1> game over
[23:58:48] <pfred1> yeah the end of games is often like that
[23:59:06] <pfred1> it ain't all of that
[23:59:27] <Wolf_> no keyboard input for MDI would make it a pain in the ass for me
[23:59:39] <Wolf_> least for my mill or something
[23:59:50] <Wolf_> might be ok for my plasma table