#linuxcnc | Logs for 2017-01-29

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[00:00:09] <pfred1> http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-gator-attack-disney-world-20160822-snap-story.html
[00:00:21] <BeachBumPete> had tons of fun and went to river country etc
[00:00:27] <pfred1> place just ain't what it used to be
[00:00:36] <BeachBumPete> I have to disagree
[00:00:56] <XXCoder> wouldnt know, been over 20 years for me heh
[00:00:57] <BeachBumPete> we are looking forward to seeing all the newest stuff now too
[00:01:12] <BeachBumPete> my kids are excited about the Harry Potter part
[00:01:31] <pfred1> when I was a little kid one of the biggest dissappointements of my life was that castle there too
[00:01:38] <BeachBumPete> we are like an hour away from there
[00:01:47] <pfred1> you go int oit and there's nothing but a gift shop
[00:01:56] <BeachBumPete> I know I felt the same way
[00:02:02] <pfred1> what a rip off
[00:02:06] <BeachBumPete> they have a restaurant there now too
[00:02:12] <pfred1> I guess it is a valuable life lesson though
[00:02:25] <BeachBumPete> and apparently there was a special suite for Disney himself
[00:02:33] <pfred1> I've heard of that
[00:02:36] <XXCoder> suite 60?
[00:02:36] <BeachBumPete> you can now rent that suite
[00:02:38] <XXCoder> or something
[00:02:47] <BeachBumPete> it is NOT CHEAP
[00:02:50] <XXCoder> loooong list of reservations if I recall
[00:02:54] <pfred1> he had an apartment over Main St. too
[00:03:03] <BeachBumPete> yeah I think that is sooo cool
[00:03:21] <pfred1> Disney now there was a scary guy
[00:03:25] <BeachBumPete> I have always loved the haunted mansion
[00:03:34] <pfred1> talk about a white supremicist
[00:03:37] <BeachBumPete> and the Pirates of the Carribean
[00:03:59] <pfred1> disneyworld was going to be something very different if walt didn't die
[00:04:36] <XXCoder> I bet
[00:04:36] <BeachBumPete> I honestly do not want to hear negative things like that call me naive but I prefer to think of him in a positive light.
[00:05:03] <pfred1> it was a different time
[00:05:29] <pfred1> but he had plans of building a utopian community there
[00:05:33] <XXCoder> man been watching star trek "despecialized" samples
[00:05:35] <XXCoder> looks so good,.
[00:06:06] <pfred1> the added star trek special effects don't bother me
[00:06:15] <XXCoder> err star wars
[00:06:18] <pfred1> I mean trek effects always sucked
[00:06:23] <BeachBumPete> well I gotta shut down the VMC and sit down watch TV now GN8 guys...
[00:06:44] <XXCoder> later
[00:06:52] <pfred1> that show had such a small budget that's why they invented the transporter
[00:07:05] <pfred1> they couldn't addord the sfx sequences of the ship landing
[00:07:21] <pfred1> so they came up with beaming down
[00:07:24] <XXCoder> yep
[00:07:37] <XXCoder> yet it may be one of very last star trek invention to come true
[00:07:39] <pfred1> which is actualy salt being dropped in a spot of light
[00:08:09] <XXCoder> not quite'
[00:08:10] <pfred1> they spared no expense for that effect
[00:08:13] <XXCoder> alum flakes in water
[00:08:26] <XXCoder> camera was upside down
[00:09:17] <XXCoder> they explained away the freeze in later canon as early transporter tech that have to hold so can do clean scan
[00:09:18] <pfred1> I saw another little deal about a guy that rebuilt the original bridge for a show
[00:09:55] <pfred1> you never saw someone so crushed as that guy was when he uncrated the original conn
[00:10:02] <pfred1> it was so jacked up
[00:10:11] <pfred1> but he fixed it
[00:10:18] <XXCoder> they had to recreate halls and such for a DS9 time travel, to orguinial "trouble with tribbles"
[00:10:49] <XXCoder> also explaining away why tribbles seem to be THROWN to kirk
[00:10:57] <XXCoder> because it was. lol
[00:10:59] <pfred1> I never liked DS9 so that is the series I've seen the least of
[00:11:08] <XXCoder> that one was best of all
[00:11:18] <pfred1> I just didn't like it
[00:11:23] <pfred1> they didn't go anywhere
[00:11:27] <XXCoder> ds9 had its good moments
[00:11:28] <pfred1> no ship
[00:11:29] <XXCoder> but yeah
[00:11:41] <pfred1> plus the whole cardassian thing
[00:11:48] <pfred1> I donno it didn't gel with me
[00:11:54] <XXCoder> that was not too bad. its the war that sucked
[00:11:57] <pfred1> heck I liked the cardassians
[00:12:25] <XXCoder> they did show both sides, in good and bad light
[00:12:27] <pfred1> kira i didn't like her
[00:12:47] <XXCoder> kira had epide where she is shown in bad light as former terrorist, and she admitted she was nmot good then
[00:12:48] <pfred1> isco I am not sure if I was supposed ot like him
[00:13:06] <pfred1> yeah they did the whole good guy bad guy thing too much
[00:13:07] <XXCoder> that is if im recalling names correctly
[00:13:24] <pfred1> thee guy with the rubbery face i didn't like him eithr
[00:13:30] <XXCoder> odo?
[00:13:33] <pfred1> yeah
[00:13:46] <XXCoder> why?
[00:14:02] <pfred1> he had a rubbery face and he was a jerk
[00:14:16] <XXCoder> he is that pretty often
[00:15:13] <pfred1> I mean I can see what they were going for but it didn't work for me with Star Trek
[00:15:29] <pfred1> 50 shades of Star Trek gray
[00:15:39] <XXCoder> ds9 is worse of lot, though still decent at good percent of it
[00:15:53] <XXCoder> voyager was very nice though some of stories is just bad
[00:15:58] <XXCoder> like warp 10 one yeech
[00:15:59] <pfred1> thyey tried too hard to be edgy
[00:16:11] <pfred1> star trek is goofy and campy
[00:16:27] <XXCoder> later one Enterprise it was very good but then they forgo with "lower tech" and later time travel jeez
[00:16:58] <pfred1> the story arcs in Enterprise were too long for a weekly show
[00:17:14] <XXCoder> I always like time travel stuff but that one was just bad and waaaay too long arc
[00:17:18] <pfred1> it was made to binge watch at a tiem when you couldn't bionge watch
[00:17:21] <XXCoder> felt like it was 99% of show.
[00:18:01] <pfred1> the only way I can get into Enterprise is to binge watch it
[00:18:40] <pfred1> that show had no chance as a weekly series
[00:18:47] <XXCoder> its good for that yeah
[00:19:05] <XXCoder> heard theres to be new show but its delayed to unknown length
[00:19:08] <pfred1> I can't beileve they even tried
[00:19:17] <XXCoder> it started so good
[00:19:21] <XXCoder> then.. :(
[00:19:42] <pfred1> the story arcs were like all season long
[00:19:53] <pfred1> how are you going to get new viewers?
[00:20:11] <XXCoder> indeed
[00:20:19] <XXCoder> should be 2 or 3 shows
[00:20:21] <XXCoder> not season
[00:20:29] <XXCoder> canned is fine if not too lame
[00:20:32] <pfred1> heck thy had cliffhangers between seasons
[00:22:02] <pfred1> I saw this in the theaters http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0067756/
[00:22:30] <pfred1> that is like the coolest robot sci-fi movie of all time
[00:22:35] <XXCoder> I like that movie
[00:23:07] <pfred1> I watched a documentary about how they made that too
[00:23:14] <pfred1> they made it on an aircraft carrier
[00:23:25] <XXCoder> you ever watched time bandits?
[00:23:29] <pfred1> that's why it seems like a ship
[00:23:34] <pfred1> sure time bandits
[00:23:50] <pfred1> I should watch tiem bandits again
[00:23:51] <XXCoder> I have dvd I should watch it again soonish heh been a while
[00:23:59] <pfred1> yeah I'm about due
[00:24:09] <XXCoder> watch it again, watch carefully at camera visage point
[00:25:09] <pfred1> sci-fi and CNC go handi n hand
[00:25:20] <pfred1> CNC is kind of sci-fi
[00:25:35] <pfred1> look, a computer controls a machine!
[00:25:41] <XXCoder> yep heh
[00:25:50] <pfred1> it's spooky stuff
[00:26:12] <pfred1> silent running is probably why I'm here right now
[00:26:49] <pfred1> I saw those robots and i was like that's ool!
[00:26:52] <pfred1> cool
[00:27:06] <XXCoder> cnc stuff was a off track for me
[00:27:11] <XXCoder> IT and CS was what I wanted
[00:27:33] <pfred1> well I was into Linux and I found out about EMC
[00:27:41] <pfred1> and I'm an electronics nerd so
[00:27:55] <pfred1> it wasn't much of a stretch to put it all together
[00:28:15] * Wolf_ is just lazy and wanted a machine to do my work for me
[00:28:45] <pfred1> well I will say my machine can do stuff I can't do
[00:28:55] <pfred1> not if you held a gun to my head
[00:29:06] <pfred1> I just couldn't do it
[00:29:58] <pfred1> computers have incredible focus
[00:30:13] <Wolf_> heh, really I wanted to do a cnc router or plasma years ago, after 10-12 yrs I finally got a cnc mill set up, now I might actually get that cnc plasma going
[00:30:20] <Wolf_> finally…
[00:30:42] <pfred1> I'm thinking about a 3D printer
[00:30:58] <Wolf_> I got one of those to get myself back in to the CNC stuff
[00:32:14] <Wolf_> this might help date when I started looking at the cnc plasma build http://i.imgur.com/ZRO2XBc.png lol
[00:32:43] <pfred1> oh yeah
[00:34:45] <XXCoder> back
[00:34:49] <XXCoder> lol
[00:34:58] <XXCoder> pretty lame logo but cool see early era
[00:35:21] <Wolf_> only took me 10 years to finally load linux cnc up lmao
[00:37:20] <XXCoder> lol
[00:37:27] <XXCoder> 2 years and counting for me :P
[00:37:35] <XXCoder> did get it functional but grinder was just too bad
[00:37:41] <XXCoder> so got proper setup for spingle
[00:37:48] <XXCoder> need to work on it, setup tb660s
[00:45:14] <pfred1> that's the drive I use now
[00:45:20] <pfred1> Tb6600
[00:45:36] <XXCoder> hopefully good experence?
[00:45:47] <pfred1> I love them
[00:45:56] <pfred1> I run mine at 32V
[00:46:00] <XXCoder> great, its to replace tb6560s
[00:46:10] <pfred1> yeah they'r better
[00:46:23] <pfred1> you know how to set the current?
[00:46:43] <XXCoder> something about setting percent of power?
[00:46:47] <XXCoder> from 100% to 25%?
[00:46:50] <pfred1> I figured out a proseedure
[00:47:06] <pfred1> what yo udo is put an ammeter in series with one motor coil to the drive
[00:47:35] <pfred1> thn set axis to step really slow and just tap it along til you get the highest current reading on the meter
[00:47:51] <pfred1> then you adjust the pot on the drive
[00:48:03] <pfred1> to the motor current you want
[00:48:24] <pfred1> thaqt set the drives up good for me
[00:49:47] <pfred1> TB6600 usually has a potentiometer for the drive current
[00:49:56] <XXCoder> ahh cool :)
[00:50:05] <XXCoder> need to learn lot of that
[00:50:11] <XXCoder> like spindle setup
[00:50:20] <pfred1> I guess some have resistors on DIP switches
[00:50:29] <pfred1> but I donno about that deal
[00:50:44] <pfred1> pot is more adjustable
[00:50:51] <XXCoder> yeah
[00:50:59] <Wolf_> thats how mine are, dip switch settings for current
[00:51:03] <pfred1> I got my 2 amp motors right at 2 amps
[00:51:20] <pfred1> yeah I'd still check the current see where you're really at
[00:51:37] <XXCoder> my steppers use 2a
[00:51:45] <pfred1> because it made a big difference in running here
[00:51:52] <pfred1> too much wasn't good
[00:52:18] <pfred1> I initialy had my drives set too high
[00:52:36] <pfred1> it made the motors hot and they ran crappy
[00:52:37] <Wolf_> but I’m using MB450A drivers
[00:53:12] <pfred1> it is still a good idea to measure the current
[00:53:12] <Wolf_> 18-50v 1A-4.2A things
[00:53:46] <pfred1> but as you do little tap jogs you'll see the current change
[00:54:02] <pfred1> because in different microstep sequences the current is different
[00:54:05] <Wolf_> I might have to try a amp meter in line on one of the motor coils
[00:54:22] <pfred1> but at one step the current wil be high reading
[00:54:31] <pfred1> that's your "current"
[00:55:21] <pfred1> my machine I've run the motors at like 1740 RPM
[00:55:35] <pfred1> I burnt out my lead nut
[00:55:39] <Wolf_> http://i.imgur.com/XRTwasV.jpg my steppers run warm
[00:55:39] <pfred1> but it was running
[00:55:58] <Wolf_> lead screws won’t let me move that fast on the x1
[00:56:02] <XXCoder> I really want a heat camera heh
[00:56:03] <pfred1> yeah it never hurts to check
[00:56:05] <XXCoder> but so expensive
[00:56:30] <pfred1> just set the jog rally slow and tap the jog button
[00:56:46] <pfred1> you should be able to stop on a sequence with the higest current
[00:56:56] <Wolf_> all my messing with it even with 420oz in over sized steppers that thing will still stall out with too much speed
[00:57:06] <pfred1> just watch the meter for the biggest numbers
[00:57:29] <XXCoder> pf is there any example diagrams of wiring for tb6600s with BOB?
[00:57:45] <pfred1> yeah that was weird on mine too
[00:57:57] <pfred1> I had to invrt the signal in the wizard
[00:58:08] <pfred1> because they're negative edge
[00:58:34] <pfred1> common positive and switched ground
[00:59:24] <pfred1> I actualy had another problem with them
[00:59:35] <pfred1> a loose winding wire
[01:00:03] <pfred1> but in figuring that out was when i inverted the signals
[01:00:10] <pfred1> and it did make more sense
[01:01:25] <Wolf_> why does the conversation alway get good when I should be sleeping lol
[01:01:33] <pfred1> Wolf_ steppers are funny with why they stall too much current can make the motor resonate
[01:01:50] <Wolf_> yeah, that might be the issue mine is having
[01:01:52] <pfred1> you'd think more current would make it stronger
[01:02:01] <pfred1> but it trips the motor up
[01:02:12] <XXCoder> I had resonation issue all over tb650
[01:02:16] <Wolf_> not really a stall, but motor studder
[01:02:25] <XXCoder> even at 25% power
[01:02:28] <pfred1> yeah check the current it can't hurt
[01:02:41] <pfred1> just make sure power is OFF before yo udisconnect a lead
[01:02:56] <Wolf_> yeah
[01:03:28] <Wolf_> I usually power off everything because my control panel has 110v ac on it
[01:03:29] <pfred1> then ike i said slow job super slow and tap the jog button
[01:03:41] <pfred1> slog jog
[01:03:46] <pfred1> slow
[01:03:59] <pfred1> you should be able to hit your high current stepo then
[01:04:27] <Wolf_> thats easy http://i.imgur.com/XgBhOjG.jpg my X1 back when I first set it up and my “pendant” controller
[01:04:27] <pfred1> you'll see the meter go up and down as it moves but still the current will stay holding
[01:04:53] <pfred1> the higest reading is the one you're interested in
[01:04:58] <XXCoder> wolf I used nes controllant as pendant controller. worked fine heh
[01:05:50] <Wolf_> I love my setup, gives 4 step increments or 3 jog speeds using the analog sticks
[01:07:35] <pfred1> I don't know what I'd make on a mill
[01:07:48] <Wolf_> one thing I want to learn more about is stepper/servo, or if I can just add encoders to the servos I have
[01:07:50] <pfred1> heck I can only make 2.5D G code
[01:08:17] <Wolf_> add encoders to the steppers I mean
[01:08:37] <pfred1> well if you don't miss a step open loop is OK
[01:08:45] <Wolf_> and close loop it with a 7i76, but I don’t know anything about how that stuff works
[01:08:59] <pfred1> if you do miss step I don't know wht good knowing about it does
[01:09:46] <Wolf_> yeah, from what I have gathered it just tells you when it messes up and gives a follow error? i think
[01:10:04] <pfred1> yeah then you know stuff is messed up
[01:10:25] <pfred1> the kind of stuff i do if it looks good it is good
[01:10:33] <Wolf_> I think BLDC servos are a different animal all together right?
[01:10:43] <pfred1> yeah they can pick up the pace
[01:11:15] <pfred1> what the hell is is called?
[01:11:18] <pfred1> PID
[01:11:55] <pfred1> Proportional Integral Derivative
[01:11:58] <Wolf_> yeah, pid loop tuning so the software knows what to expect vs movement commands to the motors
[01:12:16] <pfred1> yeah and I suppose that can adjust for error
[01:13:03] <pfred1> the error amp
[01:13:04] <Wolf_> yeah, using a -10 to +10v control signal vs step/dir
[01:13:36] <Wolf_> I was a bit confused when I started looking at the servo stuff
[01:13:47] <pfred1> that's why I won't go near it
[01:13:54] <pfred1> too confusing
[01:14:07] <pfred1> step and dir is easy
[01:14:20] <Wolf_> it cleared up fast when I ordered a “wrong” servo amp lol
[01:14:55] <pfred1> for all their headaches I like stepper motors
[01:14:56] <Wolf_> me looking at it thinking, where the hell are the encoder inputs on this driver
[01:16:23] <Wolf_> the drivers I had planned on using have encoder loops built in, but seems those arent needed with 7i77 & lcnc
[01:16:25] <pfred1> look at my cute little collets http://i.imgur.com/VSfkEiS.jpg
[01:16:38] <XXCoder> fancy
[01:16:55] <pfred1> I still had to ordr the fractional set
[01:16:57] <XXCoder> there is thingverse collet holder customizable
[01:17:02] <pfred1> 3/32 don't fit in 2mm
[01:17:15] <pfred1> well it does but it is jambed in there
[01:17:16] <Wolf_> smallest collets I have are ER16, my main set is ER32 lol
[01:17:34] <pfred1> I want to get ER collets for my mill
[01:17:41] <pfred1> I have these other weird collets now
[01:17:58] <Wolf_> collet all the things http://i.imgur.com/8TEjtQb.jpg
[01:19:03] <pfred1> hre's my mill with a fly cutter http://i.imgur.com/W9BUl.jpg
[01:19:21] <pfred1> action shot!
[01:19:38] <pfred1> that anvil is harder than a coffin nail
[01:19:51] <XXCoder> isnt it gets harder and harder as it ages?
[01:19:59] <pfred1> I donno
[01:20:16] <Wolf_> I have a er32 collet holder fro the x1, and TTS er16 holders and one er32 for the X2
[01:20:17] <pfred1> that carbide fly cutter wasn't too into cutting it
[01:20:57] <Wolf_> I really want a real mill lol
[01:21:32] <pfred1> me too
[01:21:48] <pfred1> I wan this kerney treker once
[01:21:52] <pfred1> ran even
[01:21:59] <pfred1> it was like being in a submarine
[01:22:13] <pfred1> it was huge!
[01:22:20] <Wolf_> need to get off my ass and get some shit sold so I can pick up the stuff I want (if the guy hasn’t sold it all yet)
[01:23:03] <pfred1> it ran a 2 inch hogging mill through steel like it was cutting styrofoam
[01:23:19] <Wolf_> was looking at getting a wells-index 645, a K&T #2, cinc #2 tool and cutter grinder and a old wards lathe
[01:23:45] <pfred1> the one i ran was a #3
[01:24:12] <pfred1> it looked like the prow of battleship
[01:24:40] <Wolf_> hehe yeah
[01:25:22] <pfred1> bridgeports looked like toys next to it
[01:25:55] <Wolf_> #2 K&T isn’t exactly small either
[01:26:15] <pfred1> yeah but what would I do with it?
[01:26:22] <Wolf_> one I was looking at is a 50 taper machine
[01:26:50] <Wolf_> I do heavy equipment and truck repair work
[01:26:58] <pfred1> ah
[01:27:11] <Wolf_> pretty sure I’ll find something to do with it :D
[01:27:44] <pfred1> here's a 2" shell mill on my machine http://i.imgur.com/euAaDXd.jpg
[01:28:29] <Wolf_> interesting work holding lol
[01:28:34] <pfred1> yeah well
[01:28:44] <pfred1> if it fits it chips
[01:29:04] <XXCoder> fancy
[01:29:09] <Wolf_> yup, IMO thats the part that makes a machinist =D
[01:29:46] <pfred1> this is my daily driver vise http://i.imgur.com/ajr2I.jpg
[01:30:09] <Wolf_> that “how in the hell am I going to hold my part” moment, and looking around the shop at any and everything to use
[01:30:31] <pfred1> oh yeah I throw that other vise on my machine for the weird holds
[01:31:10] <pfred1> here's a cockamamy setup http://i.imgur.com/Rrw34xm.jpg
[01:31:46] <pfred1> that piece if angle is warped
[01:32:01] <pfred1> it got tore up by a big track hoe on a job
[01:32:12] <Wolf_> http://i.imgur.com/oRQ1RQe.jpg was fun
[01:32:46] <pfred1> I always wanted a rotary table
[01:33:17] <Wolf_> that was the cheapest chinese pos on ebay 4
[01:33:20] <Wolf_> 4"
[01:33:33] <pfred1> yeah I'd get a bigger one like a 6" or a 8"
[01:34:02] <Wolf_> I’m using a X1 and X2 seig right now lol
[01:34:18] <pfred1> the lock bolt on this was a job where a rotary table would have come in handy http://i.imgur.com/noNF5cF.jpg
[01:34:39] <Wolf_> if I get the bigger machines I want to find the K&T rotary axis set
[01:34:40] <pfred1> it's like an arc segment i just kind of fudged it by hand
[01:36:21] <Wolf_> looks good for by hand
[01:36:36] <pfred1> yeah but it was stressful to do
[01:36:58] <pfred1> the whole time i was thinking a rotary table sure would make this easier
[01:37:22] <Wolf_> if you can get the part on it correctly
[01:38:53] <Wolf_> that 4” kinda sucks for that
[01:39:14] <Wolf_> ok for making nema 23 mounts tho
[01:39:17] <pfred1> smaller fixtures are for smaller work
[01:39:48] <Wolf_> motor pivot for my taig lathe… not so much
[01:40:52] <pfred1> here's the no CNC method http://i.imgur.com/Zf6Qp5o.jpg
[01:41:09] <Wolf_> lol yup
[01:41:31] <Wolf_> that pic I linked was no cnc
[01:41:43] <Wolf_> couldnt mount the steppers lol
[01:42:15] <pfred1> there's what I did with that part http://i.imgur.com/Ke164qK.jpg
[01:42:35] <pfred1> it's under the vise
[01:42:39] <Wolf_> http://i.imgur.com/NdXBYOT.jpg and some before/after lathe 4 jaw work
[01:42:59] <Wolf_> nice
[01:43:36] <pfred1> yeah I always wanted a metal vise by my lectronics bench
[01:43:51] <pfred1> sometimes I mangle connectors and stuff
[01:44:08] <Wolf_> I wish I had a pic of the big ass brackets I did free hand for a 10’ boss state highway plow mount, freehand plasma cut from 1” plate
[01:44:11] <pfred1> I'd have ot get up and walk to my other bench vise to do that
[01:44:24] <pfred1> wow 1" plate?
[01:44:35] <pfred1> that's a hell of a plasma cutter
[01:44:36] <Wolf_> yeah
[01:44:54] <Wolf_> it will do 1 3/4” iirc
[01:45:04] <pfred1> they all don't cut that thick do they?
[01:45:17] <Wolf_> depends on amp out put
[01:45:32] <pfred1> years ago all I had was my gas axe
[01:45:33] <Wolf_> mine is a 65A hypertherm
[01:45:48] <pfred1> so I did a lot of burning back then
[01:47:39] <Wolf_> http://i.imgur.com/gzw7p90.jpg why I want a cnc plasma…
[01:47:39] <pfred1> having a bandsaw and a mill has improved the quality of the work I can do
[01:48:28] <pfred1> it looks like that truck doesn't fit through the door
[01:48:38] <Wolf_> center plate is 1/2” thick, the bottom tube is 1/4” wall 5x3”
[01:48:44] <XXCoder> in least its not shiny back truck
[01:49:09] <pfred1> like the man that built a sailboat in his basement
[01:49:11] <Wolf_> it fits, 6” clearance on each side lol
[01:49:29] <pfred1> look at this huge truck i built in my garage!
[01:49:41] <Wolf_> other things just don’t fit right now http://i.imgur.com/DgReOwR.jpg
[01:50:14] <pfred1> I'm out of room in my garage now
[01:50:36] <pfred1> I passed up on a band saw because I just couldn't think of where I'd put it
[01:50:46] <Wolf_> my truck fits, one half at a time http://i.imgur.com/ovIll6R.jpg http://i.imgur.com/jlgAU08.jpg
[01:51:22] <pfred1> that garage is bigger than mine
[01:51:45] <Wolf_> 24x35’
[01:51:52] <pfred1> yeah this is 20x20
[01:52:03] <Wolf_> with 9’x7’ doors =/
[01:52:22] <Wolf_> my forklift clears the doorframe by a half inch
[01:54:00] <pfred1> you must get a lot of snow
[01:54:10] <Wolf_> some years
[01:54:11] <pfred1> it snowed once here this year
[01:54:26] <Wolf_> I was doing roads contract for the county
[01:54:40] <Wolf_> this year we got like a inch
[01:55:06] <pfred1> I'm good with that
[01:55:15] <pfred1> all I got is a shovel
[01:55:20] <Wolf_> last year, fuck snow http://i.imgur.com/wPJb99r.jpg … http://i.imgur.com/C2hupcR.jpg
[01:57:33] <pfred1> this was snowpocalypse http://i.imgur.com/OCMYP86.jpg
[01:57:54] <pfred1> I lost power for 4 days
[01:58:34] <Wolf_> my truck was stuck in the neighbors driveway for 16 hrs
[01:59:02] <Wolf_> had to go to my mom’s and get a snowblower and winch out of the garage there to get the truck out
[01:59:16] <pfred1> yeah weather
[02:00:08] <pfred1> here's a pic of a little work I did on my truck https://i.imgur.com/aPtwelO.jpg
[02:00:39] <Wolf_> woot, someone that has a almost messed up project as mine
[02:00:54] <Wolf_> as messed up*
[02:01:07] <XXCoder> so, its like that for last 20 years? ;)
[02:01:18] <pfred1> nah I did that in 3 days
[02:01:32] <XXCoder> lol seen people with everlasting projects :P
[02:01:55] <Wolf_> I have a ’69 bronco that is currently in 3-4 pieces waiting for a turn to live in the shop for a few months
[02:02:52] <Wolf_> probably going to need to build a whole new frame for it
[02:03:20] <pfred1> here it is almost all back together again http://i.imgur.com/jmqFlxj.jpg
[02:04:07] <Wolf_> nice
[02:04:29] <Wolf_> I need to make up my mind on how I want to do my bronco
[02:04:40] <pfred1> fast and cheap :)
[02:05:00] <Wolf_> cut/weld square tube or DOM + tube bender
[02:06:01] <pfred1> I wanted to make roll cages and whatnot once
[02:06:18] <pfred1> build hot rods
[02:06:29] <Wolf_> thats what I was getting in to 12yrs ago, got all geared up for it and the bottom fell out of everythign
[02:06:44] <pfred1> I never had the setup really
[02:07:01] <Wolf_> err ~13 yrs ago
[02:07:23] <Wolf_> rock crawlers and hot rod stuff
[02:07:27] <pfred1> here it is the big top http://i.imgur.com/9v3PD.jpg
[02:07:50] <Wolf_> lol
[02:07:58] <pfred1> I had a block heater in thre and when I fired it up it would blow up like a hot air balloon
[02:08:28] <Wolf_> the POS that got me started http://i.imgur.com/LcRMiBB.jpg
[02:08:47] <pfred1> you're a Ford man
[02:08:57] <pfred1> ford makes a godo truck
[02:09:05] <pfred1> or they did
[02:09:33] <Wolf_> ’93 ford explorer w/ a EFI 5.0 swap, solid front axle swap, stand alone 4r70w trans, twin stick atlas 2 t-case
[02:10:13] <pfred1> here's my tanyoda http://i.imgur.com/zIjRl.jpg
[02:10:39] <pfred1> it had a bit of rot http://i.imgur.com/h91Gh.jpg
[02:11:22] <Wolf_> the explorer was fun, so much torque that it kept S bending rear leaf springs (just driving on the street… not even with the thing at 100:1 crawl in the rocks)
[02:11:41] <pfred1> I only put my truck into 4 wheel low once
[02:11:42] <Wolf_> hah. my bronco is worse
[02:11:56] <Wolf_> on the rot part
[02:11:59] <pfred1> oh the other side of this truck was worse
[02:12:10] <Wolf_> I started picking at the bondo near the A pillar…
[02:12:29] <Wolf_> when I was done the firewall wasn’t attached to the rest of the back half
[02:12:47] <pfred1> http://i.imgur.com/Y3fCS.jpg
[02:13:12] <Wolf_> yeah. thats some rot
[02:13:13] <pfred1> walk through hole
[02:14:03] <Wolf_> floor pans are gone on mine, A pillar and hinge mounts was a 1/4 plate scabbed in with booger welds and bondo
[02:14:15] <Wolf_> not sure how the doors didn’t pull the plate out
[02:14:17] <pfred1> this is chunky http://i.imgur.com/m6YZd.jpg
[02:14:38] <pfred1> http://i.imgur.com/hFmeA.jpg
[02:15:04] <pfred1> I set myself on fire weldign that
[02:15:16] <Wolf_> happens =D
[02:15:25] <pfred1> it certainly did i had this foam pad under me
[02:15:30] <pfred1> damn it was flammable
[02:16:03] <pfred1> I waslike a shrimp on the barbie mate
[02:16:04] <Wolf_> I have the foam puzzle mats, half of them have burn holes in them
[02:16:30] <pfred1> it was hotter than hell when I did that too
[02:16:32] <Wolf_> leather welding jacket ftw
[02:16:40] <pfred1> oh yeah and a leather apron
[02:16:45] <pfred1> I got all that shit
[02:17:16] <Wolf_> I do under truck welding all the time
[02:17:27] <pfred1> I look ike the texas chainsaw massacerer when I get all dressed up
[02:18:30] <Wolf_> I use to smell burning hair when I weld, not sure why http://i.imgur.com/xos8sn5.jpg
[02:18:35] <pfred1> plus I won't weld under a vehicle anyore without waring earplugs
[02:19:22] <pfred1> I have popped some sparks into my ears
[02:19:28] <pfred1> that stuff smarts
[02:19:34] <Wolf_> yeah
[02:20:07] <pfred1> like I've had to stick a finger in my ear to put the slag out
[02:20:11] <Wolf_> I’m really good at thinking ahead when doing the crappy position stuff
[02:21:06] <pfred1> I got the H beams to make a rotisserie or a frame table, or something
[02:21:41] <Wolf_> thats on my todo list, semi copy the project binky jig thing
[02:21:56] <pfred1> screw welding overhead
[02:23:05] <pfred1> I had the car under the big top so jacked up I could sit under it in a lawn chair
[02:24:05] <pfred1> I think someone etched that car but never killed it right afterwards
[02:24:17] <pfred1> because the underside of it was gone
[02:24:42] <pfred1> it took me 3 days to just start jacking it up
[02:25:14] <Wolf_> IIRC https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VKegYsSRG0 has sorta details on the jig
[02:25:29] <pfred1> I got these stainless steel challens out of a reticulating tank and they fit perfect
[02:26:05] <Wolf_> nope, must be 3 or 4
[02:27:24] <pfred1> yup that's what I do
[02:28:03] <pfred1> CAD Cardboard Aided Design
[02:28:43] <pfred1> I htnk i have the exact same steel rule he has
[02:33:29] <Wolf_> pfred1: http://badobsessionmotorsport.activeboard.com/t60956809/screen-caps-of-the-jig/
[02:35:45] <Wolf_> some great ideas in their jig
[02:37:46] <XXCoder> seriously some car wipers seem to be powerfull as fuck
[02:38:18] <Wolf_> worm gear motor
[02:38:32] <XXCoder> makes sense
[02:38:36] <Wolf_> makes for great torque
[02:40:07] <Wolf_> pfred1: https://youtu.be/7hCPODjJO7s?t=4m40s
[02:42:29] <Deejay> moin
[02:45:53] <pfred1> how do they pay for this?
[02:46:39] <Wolf_> idk, might explain why its been 4 years in the works lol
[02:47:24] <pfred1> wow I thought I took a while when I rebuilt my P1800S it only took me 2 years though
[02:49:12] <Wolf_> I really need to sit down and figure out the lift and rotate on that jig
[02:53:27] <Wolf_> but sleep first.. fuck I need to be up in 4 hrs lol
[02:53:41] <pfred1> yeah I'
[02:53:49] <pfred1> m out top
[05:16:58] <jthornton> morning
[05:17:05] <XXCoder> hey jt
[05:17:12] <XXCoder> been watching project binky
[05:17:14] <XXCoder> wow
[05:17:47] <XXCoder> they're crazy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hCPODjJO7s&list=PLGSOZAHg1yQHU1tc_3Y5MTQg1qjtxA_nq
[05:18:00] <jthornton> yea I've downloaded them a while back
[05:18:29] <XXCoder> esp 8 dont have autocraptons :( but rest of it so far has em
[05:18:33] <XXCoder> at 9 now
[05:25:50] <XXCoder> adding stuble vent is genius
[05:26:02] <XXCoder> not too visiable change but gets rid of heat
[05:38:25] <jthornton> opened up my last bundle of batts of itch and they were only 4" thick so I have to take them back and exchange them Monday
[05:38:38] <XXCoder> doh close but no ciger
[05:40:33] <jthornton> yea that is the second bundle like that out of 40 bundles
[05:44:12] <XXCoder> not too bad
[05:44:19] <XXCoder> would prefer zero error but well
[05:44:42] <jthornton> yea I was hoping to be done yesterday
[06:05:20] <jthornton> fusion 360 also does lathe cam
[06:05:41] <XXCoder> interesting
[06:08:51] <yasnak> autodesk is....
[06:08:52] <yasnak> ehhh
[06:09:05] <yasnak> i have featurecam, its iffy
[06:09:16] <yasnak> looks cool but post processor needs work and is new to use
[06:10:22] <jthornton> most late ops I do with ngcgui don't need no cam
[06:10:39] <jthornton> except for a bone head mistake last night
[06:10:54] <jthornton> that will cost me $50
[06:11:06] <XXCoder> after logic strightening: most late ops I do with ngcgui do need cam
[06:11:35] <jthornton> yea, just depends on the parts you make
[06:11:45] <jthornton> mine are usually simple
[06:13:22] <XXCoder> man they been on car for years now
[06:16:25] <XXCoder> more frame mods heh
[06:53:06] <miss0r> It has finally happened. I have declared defeat. I have had to mount wheels on my newest piece of equipment, so that it can be moved around, as I can't make a stationary spot for it, where it can be mounted permanently and used at the same time. I guess I am realy now starting to run out of space
[06:53:26] <XXCoder> ask doctor who ;)
[06:53:44] <miss0r> hehe :) One can dream
[06:53:52] <XXCoder> indeed.
[06:54:09] <archivist> some of mine remains on rollers :)
[06:54:18] <archivist> and some on casters
[06:54:34] <miss0r> This oven can JUST fit under the workbench, sideways. err... I had to shim the workbench 10mm for it to fit but yeah
[06:55:40] <miss0r> looking at it now, I think I have used too small wheels. they are already growing a flat spot
[06:55:43] * miss0r screams
[06:56:03] <XXCoder> when it rains it pours
[06:56:28] <XXCoder> just send me your cnc mill, boom room! ;)
[06:56:50] <miss0r> The dumb stuff is: this oven is WAY to big for my needs. but the price was more than right. So I guess i'll just search for a replacement straight away
[06:57:01] * archivist passes the build a shed extension book to miss0r
[06:57:23] <miss0r> XXCoder: I think the shipping fee could bankrupt a small country
[06:57:37] <XXCoder> likely yeah
[06:58:03] <miss0r> archivist: I have made a decision on that part actualy. I am going to extend my shed, as soon as the profit in here can pay for it.
[06:58:35] <archivist> :)
[06:58:37] <miss0r> if it keeps going the way it is, I should be able to make that happen around july...
[06:58:40] <miss0r> ...2031
[07:00:31] <miss0r> First part on my todo list, is actualy getting this place better insulated. I installed a air/air heat pump in here same time last year. our electrical bill went up ~$2300, compared to the year before
[07:01:40] <archivist> I am using an air/air here too, just for a couple of rooms
[07:01:59] <miss0r> its not the only sinner added thou. We had our first child dec. 2015, and that change of lifestyle also added some, i'm sure. but there can be no doubt it is the niggest user.
[07:02:14] <miss0r> biggest* - refering to the heat pump
[07:02:58] <miss0r> and they are WAAAY more efficient than ye'oldie electric radiator - no questions there. but it is still electricity used to make heat
[07:03:00] <archivist> .gov provided cavity wall insulation in Mar last year, so house keeps the heat better
[07:04:17] <miss0r> nice. The walls in here are not insulated, per say. They are made of this 'porous concrete', which is somewhat insulating in itself. I need to add another 100mm to the ceiling, and do some insulation on the door, and the one remaining window.
[07:04:25] <XXCoder> heh here insulation really sucks
[07:04:27] <miss0r> also, add rubber seals to the door
[07:04:35] <XXCoder> there is none between house and garage for example
[07:04:55] <miss0r> XXCoder: That is no problem, if you keep both heated ;)
[07:04:58] <XXCoder> and wonderful air cooling from powerbox to my computer that works only in winter
[07:05:07] <XXCoder> garage has even less isulation heh no nope
[07:05:12] <XXCoder> *so
[07:06:12] <miss0r> Yeah. I don't keep this place heated for comfort. I do it because of my machines. the comfort is just an added bonus
[07:06:22] <miss0r> I guess you could just go ahead and insulate it?
[07:06:33] <XXCoder> nah dont own house
[07:07:40] <archivist> tell landlord, fixit or you go
[07:07:59] <XXCoder> nah not worth it, rent is half its supposed to be
[07:08:00] <miss0r> do some math: if (price for improvement/years to earn it back in savings) < "time you are going to live there" then go;
[07:08:59] <miss0r> now that I look at it, it doesn't work that way, but you get the picture, i'm sure
[07:09:58] <XXCoder> yeah'
[07:10:57] <miss0r> Time to go tend to my guilty pleasure; playing computer. see you guys around
[07:46:54] <jthornton> lol I just built a deb and packaged it then installed it from the synaptic package manager!
[07:48:54] <XXCoder> installed your deb via synaptic?
[07:49:37] <jthornton> yup
[07:50:05] <XXCoder> interesting
[07:50:14] <XXCoder> not make install?
[07:50:19] <jthornton> just had to add my packages location then update the install
[07:50:47] <jthornton> now when I update the program it automatically prompts to update
[07:52:45] <XXCoder> interesting
[08:17:00] <jthornton> just learned how to create a python file from a qt ui file
[09:02:20] <enleth> jthornton: for linuxcnc?
[09:03:27] <jthornton> that too
[09:03:40] <jthornton> I put my mill g code program up this morning
[09:04:35] <enleth> I remember some people asking on thr forums abput Qt in userspace modules, is that a thing?
[09:05:14] <jthornton> I don't understand
[09:07:23] <enleth> linking and using Qt in binaries that are loadusr'd
[09:08:06] <jthornton> hmm a bit above my pay grade I think :)
[09:12:04] <enleth> too bad, would have been nice
[09:12:59] <enleth> I mean, I assume it would at least appear to work
[09:13:20] <enleth> question is, would it work glitch-free
[09:13:38] <enleth> with Qt doing a lot of stuff internally
[09:22:43] <jthornton> only thing I know is Chris M is writing a pyqt gui
[09:24:09] <enleth> interesting
[09:24:19] <enleth> anything published yet?
[09:25:16] <jthornton> yea it is in a branch of it's own
[09:25:33] <jthornton> git branch -r lists all branches
[09:25:51] <BeachBumPete> morning linuxCNC
[09:32:30] <enleth> jthornton: thanks, will take a look
[09:45:33] <JT-Shop> enleth: I don't see why you can't have a QT gui in a userspace component
[09:50:48] <enleth> I vaguely remember someone remarking on the forums that Qt's threading could be a problem for some reason, but whoever said that did not elaborate much and the thread wasn't terribly recent
[09:52:56] <MacGalempsy> good morning
[10:03:46] <malcom2073> Qt is pretty nice, but yeah it's really easy to accidently shoot yourself in the foot if you touch threads
[10:03:57] <malcom2073> But that's true of most anything thread related
[10:04:35] <malcom2073> Qt is... Somewhat unclear about thread affinity in the event loop, or rather the documentation hasn't always been clear
[10:08:17] <enleth> malcom2073: question is, if that could break rt-preemept somehow
[10:09:15] <enleth> I'm not yet familliar with how loadrt and loadusr differ under rt-preempt and whether "userspace" modules have the potential to break anything at all with regard to realtime
[10:09:30] <enleth> (talking about rt-preempt as that's what I'm using)
[10:09:54] <pcw_home> Not sure why QT would be different than any other program
[10:14:02] <malcom2073> I don't see why, unless it uses too much CPU and bogs things down, but again not Qt specific
[10:25:33] <pcw_home> bogging things down should not affect higher priority threads
[10:27:25] <enleth> pcw_home: just being wary of the fact that threading is a cesspit full of cesspits and I have no idea how rt-preempt works and whether a high-level threading implementation that does use native threads under the hood could mess something up
[10:28:09] <pcw_home> Dont think thats an issue at all
[10:28:11] <enleth> Qt does use native platform threads under the hood, at least whenever pthreads are available
[10:29:21] <pcw_home> Much more likely issues are hardware and drivers (normal user stuff like QT doesnt touch anything interesting)
[10:30:57] <enleth> thanks for the input, I'll check out Chris' work later
[11:09:40] <Holzwurm> Hello, can someone tell me in what kind of way i can switch an 7i77 outputpin with M64/65 on and off?
[11:15:27] <MacGalempsy> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gcode/m-code.html#mcode:m62-m65
[11:15:55] <MacGalempsy> note the note at the bottom
[11:20:15] <MacGalempsy> just net the motion pins to the mesa card
[11:22:23] <MacGalempsy> hi zeeshan
[11:22:33] <Holzwurm> My code in the custom hal: net motion.digital-out-10 hm2_5i25.0.7i77.0.0.output-10
[11:22:53] <zeeshan> hi
[11:22:55] <MacGalempsy> you need a signal name
[11:23:40] <MacGalempsy> i think the motion nn is going to be 0, 1, 2, 3
[11:23:45] <MacGalempsy> 10 is too high
[11:23:45] <Holzwurm> What will be the signal name?
[11:24:00] <MacGalempsy> what does the m code do?
[11:24:35] <zeeshan> does anyone know a good ip camera
[11:24:39] <zeeshan> perferably wireless
[11:25:05] <Holzwurm> Switch on and out a pneumatic valve
[11:25:40] <MacGalempsy> it could be net m62 motion.digital-out-00 hm2.5i25.0.7i77.0.0.output-10
[11:26:28] <MacGalempsy> zeeshan how about a gopro?
[11:26:53] <Roguish> Holzwurm: the signal name can be most anything. it's used as a pointer, sort of an alias name.
[11:27:00] <Holzwurm> M64 switches immidiatly
[11:31:30] <MacGalempsy> zeeshan i got a few but they are all wired.
[11:31:40] <zeeshan> well i would do POE too
[11:32:02] <MacGalempsy> thats what i do
[11:32:14] <MacGalempsy> i got 2 axis 215
[11:32:29] <MacGalempsy> mounted outside
[11:33:13] <MacGalempsy> axis and pelco are premier brands, but it depends on what you want to do
[11:35:53] <MacGalempsy> if you are going to use them outside, the better ptz will need to have heaters
[11:36:30] <zeeshan> ah
[11:36:39] <Tom_itx> what's up?
[11:36:43] <Jymmm> MacGalempsy: to warm it's hands?
[11:38:42] <MacGalempsy> not 100% but i think to keep the gear grease from over exertting the motors
[11:42:23] <zeeshan> im thinking im jus t going to mount them indoor
[11:42:34] <zeeshan> rear and front of house
[11:42:41] <Tom_L> out of necessity?
[11:43:02] <Deejay> re
[11:47:00] <MacGalempsy> i tried to mount several inside and the wifey denied that way too fast. lol
[11:50:17] <Tom_L> mac are yours pan / tilt?
[11:51:42] <Tom_L> meh, discontinued..
[12:00:06] <Wolf_> zeeshan: here ya go http://www.vicon-security.com/surveyor-mkii/ =P
[12:00:32] <zeeshan> im just gonna get some el cheapos
[12:00:42] <zeeshan> i only need 2
[12:00:58] <Tom_L> i got one from sam's but may upgrade
[12:01:23] <zeeshan> with these fancy cameras
[12:01:28] <zeeshan> do i need to buy a POE switch separate
[12:01:34] <zeeshan> then a NVR separate?
[12:01:43] <zeeshan> can you mix and match brands?
[12:03:04] <MacGalempsy> you can mix. most poe is 24v but check them
[12:03:31] <Tom_L> what software do you use?
[12:03:38] <MacGalempsy> older ones need a splitter. newer ones have the splitter built in
[12:04:37] <Wolf_> zeeshan: what, you don’t want a dome like this on the front of your house? http://i.imgur.com/XQULWGd.jpg
[12:04:39] <MacGalempsy> so computer > switch > poe injector > camera
[12:05:01] <Tom_L> that's how my wifi is
[12:05:35] <zeeshan> what the heck is that wolf lol
[12:05:42] <MacGalempsy> if you go poe use cat6
[12:05:51] <MacGalempsy> better frame rates
[12:05:56] <zeeshan> MacGalempsy: i dont want to use my computer tho
[12:05:59] <zeeshan> and load it with recording
[12:06:10] <zeeshan> it'd be nice to have a dedicated nvr
[12:06:32] <Tom_L> mine isn't ethernet
[12:06:44] <Wolf_> zeeshan: that is a surveyor PTZ dome with a 6” scale on it
[12:07:06] <Wolf_> the nitrogen filled one
[12:07:09] <MacGalempsy> not sure on nvr.
[12:09:34] <Tom_L> zeeshan, pc's are cheap
[12:09:48] <zeeshan> i like having minimal stuff tom
[12:09:55] <MacGalempsy> if you have an old comp there is freeware that will upload vids to a google drive
[12:09:57] <zeeshan> my understanding is nvr usually have a switch builtr in
[12:10:14] <zeeshan> you just plug the nvr into the wall, hook up camera
[12:10:16] <zeeshan> and thats it
[12:10:26] <zeeshan> it does everything after that, like loop recording
[12:11:05] <Tom_L> where's the control software on those?
[12:11:07] <Tom_L> on the nvr?
[12:11:10] <zeeshan> yes
[12:11:18] <Tom_L> access via other pc?
[12:11:26] <zeeshan> yes you remote in
[12:11:40] <zeeshan> or go to an intranet website
[12:11:52] <Tom_L> yeah
[12:15:32] <Tom_L> so if you used a switch you'd need separate poe right? unless the switch did poe
[12:16:18] <zeeshan> i thinkso
[12:16:23] <zeeshan> just extra stuff!
[12:16:52] <Tom_L> this says poe is typically 44 - 57v typically 48v
[12:17:31] <zeeshan> https://www.amazon.ca/Security-Ethernet-Megel-pixels-Weatherproof-Vandalproof/dp/B01ABRSM8S/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8
[12:17:33] <zeeshan> im looking at this
[12:18:41] <Tom_L> that's about what mine was but mine isn't ether
[12:18:48] <Tom_L> older system..
[12:19:02] <Tom_L> that's why i'm looking to upgrade
[12:19:20] <Tom_L> if you have 4 you'll want 8
[12:19:37] <Wolf_> ^ true
[12:19:38] <zeeshan> i really only need 2!
[12:19:47] <zeeshan> 3 if i want to include the garage
[12:19:50] <Wolf_> I have a 8 cam dvr and want more
[12:20:11] <Tom_L> that's why ptz is attractive to me
[12:20:22] * zeeshan just knows cops are fairly useless when it comes to robberies
[12:20:26] <zeeshan> they dont care
[12:20:34] <Tom_L> wonder if ptz will trigger to motion
[12:20:53] <Tom_L> zeeshan, i gave them the videos and they still don't care
[12:20:59] <zeeshan> lol
[12:21:05] <Tom_L> not kidding..
[12:21:23] <zeeshan> at least you can publically shame the nubs
[12:21:34] <Tom_L> told them to their face, next time i'd shoot then call
[12:21:48] <zeeshan> you have someone break into your place?
[12:21:53] <Tom_L> yep
[12:21:57] <Tom_L> in the garage
[12:21:57] <zeeshan> last night we had car vandalized
[12:21:59] <Wolf_> not really, you just get to watch people stealing your shit when you have a camera system lol
[12:22:02] <zeeshan> caugbht the assholes in the act
[12:22:04] <zeeshan> neighbours came out
[12:22:07] <zeeshan> it was awesome
[12:22:10] <Tom_L> it's annoying nobody cares anymore
[12:22:23] <zeeshan> well you're in usa
[12:22:31] <zeeshan> why the hell are you not shooting on sight of robbery?
[12:22:33] <zeeshan> :[
[12:22:40] <zeeshan> it doesnt work like that up here
[12:22:55] <zeeshan> they can be inside the house and we still cant shoot em
[12:23:00] <zeeshan> unless they were about to shoot us!
[12:23:01] <Tom_L> if it was inside the dwelling it'd be ok
[12:23:18] <Tom_L> you just make it look like self defense
[12:23:29] <Tom_L> and if they're dead they can't say different
[12:23:53] <Wolf_> need to move to texas, its legal to shoot someone thats stealing neighbors property
[12:24:10] <Tom_L> one thing i like about texas..
[12:24:47] <Tom_L> zeeshan, wasn't the rx was it?
[12:25:30] <zeeshan> no
[12:25:36] <zeeshan> i'd be in jail right now if it was
[12:25:37] <zeeshan> :)
[12:25:42] <Tom_L> hah
[12:25:46] <zeeshan> jk
[12:26:15] <zeeshan> man stealing is such a nuisance crime
[12:26:18] <zeeshan> cause you work your ass off
[12:26:23] <zeeshan> just to have someone steal your shit
[12:26:40] <Tom_L> and fix the damage on entry
[12:28:01] <Tom_L> i was sitting in the office when they did it here
[12:28:07] <Tom_L> middle of the day
[12:29:50] <Loetmichel_> Wolf_: move to germany. here you are allowed (actually encouraged) to stop any assault/burgulary even if it happesn to your neighbor
[12:29:51] <MacGalempsy> zeeshan you bust them up?
[12:30:05] <zeeshan> i didnt
[12:30:09] <zeeshan> neighbour did
[12:30:10] <zeeshan> lol
[12:30:18] <zeeshan> i was just holding em down
[12:30:20] <zeeshan> till cops came
[12:30:45] <MacGalempsy> nice. now sue in small claims court for damages
[12:30:50] <Tom_L> get a good dog and let him chew on em a while
[12:31:24] <Loetmichel_> you have to stop shooting at them as soon as they run and drop all the loot tho. or you are in trouble
[12:32:02] <Wolf_> meh why call cops http://i.imgur.com/4IBUGhF.jpg
[12:32:39] <Tom_L> took 4 hrs for the cops to come here
[12:32:49] <Tom_L> 3 days before the detectives followed up
[12:32:51] <Loetmichel_> (you have only the right to defend (by all means neccessary) here, not to attack once the defence is successful)
[12:33:01] <MacGalempsy> https://www.google.com/amp/newatlas.com/korea-dodamm-super-aegis-autonomos-robot-gun-turret/17198/%3Famp%3Dtrue?client=ms-android-att-us
[12:35:20] <zeeshan> wolf got a new toy? :D
[12:35:49] <Wolf_> that got picked up last april
[13:02:09] <jensor_> test
[13:02:18] <Tom_L> fail
[13:06:30] <jensor_> howdo access yesterday's discussions?
[13:06:46] <Tom_L> zlog
[13:06:55] <Tom_L> and roll the date back
[13:07:34] <JT-Shop> Tom_L: did the logger die?
[13:07:47] <Tom_L> JT-Shop, had to use the pc for a while
[13:08:39] <JT-Shop> ah
[13:12:20] <jensor_> Thanks for the history axccess.
[13:28:33] <jensor_> Trying to learn basics of hal. Using the tutorial, I did the following and error. Why? halcmd: loadrt debounce Error: could not insert module /usr/realtime-3.4-9-rtai-686-pae/modules/linuxcnc/debounce.ko: Operation not permitted <stdin>:2: exit value: 1 <stdin>:2: insmod for debounce failed, returned -1 See the output of 'dmesg' for more information. halcmd:
[13:38:23] <chopper79> working on linux mint lcnc install. Are the stepps listed here still accurate? https://forum.linuxcnc.org/9-installing-linuxcnc/29917-linux-mint-with-rtai
[13:39:28] <Holzwurm> Hello, can i create more outputpins with : loadrt motmod [num_dio=16] ?
[13:39:57] <chopper79> This is my second attempt. First one half worked as all the lcnc folders are in place but nothing shows up in the menu of mint. Also if I run lcnc from terminal the config picker pops up but then shows en error when trying to load config.
[13:40:34] <Wolf_> should work, but its sorta vague on the RTAI kernel part I think, I did a different route for my build
[13:42:53] <chopper79> trying on different hardware this time just to rule out something wrong with my first setup. The error was something about an itel do flush error and 1 latency excursion
[13:45:03] <chopper79> desktop icons are just blank pieces of paper looking things. No lcnc logo like usual. I think something is either not loaded or corrupt.
[13:51:58] <Wolf_> https://forum.linuxcnc.org/18-computer/31158-linux-mint-17-3-64-bit-uspace-preempt-rt?limitstart=0 is what i went off of
[13:52:57] <Wolf_> this was helpful as well http://www.wiki.eusurplus.com/index.php?title=LinuxCNC_Run_In_Place
[13:54:45] <Wolf_> I have zero linux background and I managed to get my mint 17.3 working with Lcnc so its not impossible to do
[13:56:30] <chopper79> Thanks ... I iwll give it another shot. I am not great with linux either so it is a stumble for me to do this type of stuff. Now once lcnc is working then I feel more at home.
[13:56:52] <chopper79> The behind the scenes stuff in terminal is my hangup
[14:04:08] <JT-Shop> chopper79: yea that should still be accurate
[14:05:21] <JT-Shop> chopper79: sometimes the menus don't show up iirc and you had to go to Menu > Preferences > Main Menu and turn each one off then back on
[14:08:05] <chopper79> If I can not get this going then I will contact you jt and look at getting one of your drives.
[14:12:33] <JT-Shop> https://mesaus.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=68&product_id=72
[14:13:14] <JT-Shop> one advantage to my drives besides the Big Easy is when LinuxCNC releases an update you will get that update automagiclly
[14:19:52] <Tom_L> gonna offer ssd too?
[14:23:36] <JT-Shop> yea
[14:24:59] <chopper79> I am interested in the ssd option. About a 32gb would be perfect size for me.
[14:26:45] <chopper79> running your directions now so we will see what happens. Also I would like to speak with you one on one about your drives and options. Easier to explain my need over the phone or through private. Nothing pertaining to getting something working which I would do on here or the forum. This is business.
[14:27:14] <Tom_L> samsung seem to be a good brand to go with so far
[14:40:30] <JT-Shop> wow the are not cheap
[14:45:01] <Tom_L> not like hdd no
[14:45:19] <Tom_L> i've got a few 500G and a TB
[14:47:23] <chopper79> I have had good luck with these https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211718
[14:48:03] <chopper79> personally if the computer is just used for lcnc then 32 and 64 gb are plenty to store gcode.
[14:51:20] <Tom_L> https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA12K2EV4048&cm_re=samsung_evo_ssd-_-20-147-371-_-Product
[14:51:28] <Tom_L> the EVO have good reviews
[14:53:09] <pcw_home> I have a Kingston one thats been fine for a couple years ( though their logo looks disturbingly like the Anonymous mask )
[14:53:10] <pcw_home> Also as others have suggested, if you want reliability and dont mind paying for it, I think The Samsung ones are best
[14:53:49] <Tom_L> they have more expensive models but the EVO is good
[14:54:33] <JT-Shop> $90 is not bad for a good one I guess
[14:54:53] <JT-Shop> need to find a wholesale place to get them
[14:56:09] <Tom_L> https://www.aliexpress.com/w/wholesale-samsung-ssd.html
[14:56:36] <Tom_L> $64 us
[14:56:56] <JT-Shop> what's the difference between the 850 and the 750
[14:57:10] <Tom_L> i think 850 is newer
[14:57:15] <Tom_L> not positive
[14:58:32] <Tom_L> http://ssd.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Samsung-850-Evo-250GB-vs-Samsung-750-EVO-250GB/2977vsm71929
[14:59:24] <Tom_L> better flash
[14:59:58] <lilug> installare linuxcnc su ubuntu gia installato
[15:01:17] <JT-Shop> the live cd has linuxcnc installed
[15:01:56] <Tom_L> http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-2999056/difference-samsung-750-evo-850-evo.html
[15:02:08] <JT-Shop> il livecd ha LinuxCNC installato
[15:02:32] <Tom_L> The 750 Evo is a lower cost version of the 850 Evo. The performance is close but it is a cost down version. It has a lower MTBF and the warranty is 3 years vs 5 years for the 850 Evo.
[15:03:12] <JT-Shop> looks like for $10 more the 850 is the best deal
[15:03:23] <Tom_L> that's how i looked at it
[15:03:39] <Tom_L> and the 120 is plenty big for lcnc
[15:04:10] <lilug> I install LinuxCNC on ubuntu OS already installed
[15:05:24] <JT-Shop> lilug: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/getting-started/getting-linuxcnc.html
[15:05:54] <lilug> ok
[15:30:52] <Wolf_> hey JT-Shop, you could offer a backup IMG with a live boot recovery software on a thumb drive as well
[15:30:52] <_methods> i have a couple of those evo850's and i like them
[15:31:11] <_methods> apparently they had some issues when they first came out
[15:31:13] <JT-Shop> Wolf_: good idea
[15:31:15] <_methods> but mine have been fine
[15:31:40] <_methods> can't say the same for any of my corsair SSD's
[15:31:44] <_methods> they've all failed
[15:31:44] <Nick-Shop> What's the difference between current mode and voltage mode in a servo drive?
[15:32:00] <JT-Shop> yea my corsair died after a couple of years
[15:32:17] <_methods> my intel ssd's have been the most reliable for sure though
[15:32:27] <_methods> yeah i'll never buy anything from corsair ever again
[15:32:43] <_methods> i had a couple of their power supplies shit the bed on me too
[15:32:51] <_methods> and i got 4 bad sticks of ram from them
[15:33:39] <_methods> intel ssd's are spendy though
[15:44:45] <jensor> Is there a sample hal stepper file setup for quadrature output available?
[15:51:11] <skunkworks_> no - but the manual explains it.. I would start with a stepconf then modify the hal file
[15:51:51] <skunkworks_> you are looking for type 2 http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/man/man9/stepgen.9.html
[15:54:11] <jensor> yes, a type 2. I'm having trouble getting my old file that ran under an older version of EMC to run on 2.7.8 .
[15:54:39] <JT-Shop> how old of a version?
[15:56:54] <jensor> It was setup in 2007.
[16:01:16] <JT-Shop> prob need to change a few things
[16:03:27] <skunkworks_> should be pretty easy to change...
[16:03:28] <JT-Shop> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.5/html/common/Updating_EMC.html#_changes_between_2_3_x_and_2_4_x
[16:03:36] <skunkworks_> definatly start with your original config
[16:04:08] <JT-Shop> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.5/html/common/Updating_EMC.html#_config_changes
[16:05:03] <JT-Shop> jensor: this is a good link http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.6/html/common/Updating_LinuxCNC.html
[16:05:12] <JT-Shop> covers 2.3 to 2.6
[16:05:35] <JT-Shop> 2.6 to 2.7 http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/getting-started/updating-linuxcnc.html#_updating_configuration_files
[16:10:09] <jensor> Okay if a sample quadrature setup isn't available, I'll go through the sources you provided. Thanks.
[16:14:07] <JT-Shop> it's just a few changes to your configuration
[16:18:23] <Deejay> gn8
[16:31:51] <chopper79> linux mint standard distro my screen resolution is fine and my monitor is detected. When I switched to 3.4.9 rtai-686 pre then the resolution is off and my monitor is no longer detected. Is this a common thing to happen?
[16:32:52] <chopper79> stuck on 76hz with a 1024x768 res. Everything is enlarged
[16:34:47] <Wolf_> older kernel missing newer drivers
[16:38:16] <chopper79> do I need to go into xander and add the monitor settings or do I go another route?
[16:38:41] <Wolf_> that or cook your own kernel
[16:39:11] <andypugh> I have never managed to make xrandr settings stick, I always end up back with Xorg.conf
[16:40:21] <chopper79> well poop... I will finish loading the packages require for lcnc on mint then maybe a restart. If still bad then I will go inot xorg or xander. I have never been able to get xander to stick either.
[16:44:41] <chopper79> is 3.4.9 rtai-686 pre the latest kernal?
[16:46:58] <JT-Shop> https://www.kernel.org/
[16:48:19] <Wolf_> hmm, diy 4th axis for a mill, suggestions? Maybe use a X2 head casting and a mini lathe spindle so I can use my 7x lathe chucks, just add a 6:1 or larger setup with a nema 34 stepper?
[16:49:19] <pcw_home> I think 3.4.9 rtai-686 is the latest stable RTAI kernel supplied with LinuxCNC
[16:51:22] <pcw_home> a 2012 vintage kernel
[16:51:58] <Wolf_> I’m using 4.8.14-rt9 on my mint box
[16:52:36] <pcw_home> Yeah Preempt-RT is very up-to-date
[16:52:55] <pcw_home> so a much better choice for newer hardware
[16:54:09] <Nick-Shop> Any way of getting this better? https://ibin.co/3AbE2v19ReWF.png
[16:54:37] <chopper79> hmm... weird how it was fine on standard mint and then switched to pre and not fine. Figured it would have carried over to pre from origanal install.
[16:55:05] <chopper79> I think it is weird anyway... limited linux knowledge
[16:55:27] <Wolf_> standard mint is a newer kernel build
[16:55:42] <Wolf_> least should be
[16:56:12] <Wolf_> what iso did you download?
[16:56:24] <chopper79> pointers on updating the kernal? If I update kernal will it mess up pre?
[16:56:31] <chopper79> 17.3 mate
[16:57:21] <Wolf_> 32 or 64
[16:57:24] <chopper79> I am at the point where I am getting close to getting some life to my vmc and this appears to be the road block at the moment.
[16:57:27] <chopper79> 32bit
[16:57:54] <Wolf_> 3.19 kernel
[16:58:46] <Wolf_> on the Mint 17.3 “Rosa"
[17:00:23] <pcw_home> chopper79: what hardware? (PC and interface hardware)
[17:00:47] <pcw_home> Nick-Shop: some FF2 tuning and more integral term
[17:01:53] <chopper79> ECS MB = CDC-I/D2550 and will be using 7i92m and 7i77
[17:02:48] <Wolf_> what hardware like name/newegg linky
[17:03:02] <pcw_home> chopper79: you cannot use a RTAI kernel for Mesa Ethernet stuff anyway so you need to replace your kernel
[17:04:17] <chopper79> dang... I was going off of this https://forum.linuxcnc.org/9-installing-linuxcnc/29917-linux-mint-with-rtai#65212
[17:04:26] <chopper79> figured I was doing the right thing
[17:04:30] <chopper79> guess not
[17:04:37] <Wolf_ITX> https://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/projects/rt/
[17:05:07] <pcw_home> cant use RTAI with Mesa Ethernet (well you could at one time but not anymore)
[17:05:12] <Wolf_> thats where I got the sauce for my build
[17:05:44] <Wolf_> Mesa ethernet needs Preempt-RT right?
[17:05:55] <chopper79> so what now.... I am in deep water now so need some help on this. sorry for the newb issues also.
[17:06:01] <pcw_home> theres a pretty complete forum thread on installing linuxCNC on Mint with a Preempt-RT kernel
[17:06:22] <pcw_home> Yes we need Preempt-RT
[17:06:54] <pcw_home> https://forum.linuxcnc.org/9-installing-linuxcnc/32193-complete-how-to-linux-mint-18-1-32-64-rtai-or-preempt-with-rip-install-or-deb?start=10#86914
[17:08:09] <pcw_home> or buy one one JTs pre-loaded drives...
[17:10:06] <chopper79> Well...give it one more try then if it does not work I will order a drive.
[17:10:08] <Wolf_> does 32/64 make any diff for lcnc/7i92 usage?
[17:11:53] <pcw_home> Not really ( I do think 64 bit latency tends to be a bit worse but that's from a very small sample of systems )
[17:14:13] <chopper79> Thank you to everyone so far. I will let you know what the results are in about 5hrs. Country internet is wondeful.
[17:14:30] <Wolf_> lol
[17:15:04] <Wolf_> hmm interesting on the latency thing, I might have to play with a 32bit install and see what it does
[17:21:40] <chopper79> downloading at a wicked fast 167 KB/s Thanks Frontier!!!
[17:27:18] <Wolf_> ouch
[17:27:35] <Wolf_> my cell hotspot does faster
[17:28:17] <JT-Shop> chopper79: just be glad your not on a satellite like me
[17:28:24] <chopper79> I laugh when I hear people complaining about how their 35MB/s speeds are so slow.
[17:28:30] <chopper79> I was at one point JT
[17:28:43] <chopper79> burnt through my data limits quick...haha
[17:28:44] * Wolf_ won’t tell what his connection speed is
[17:29:40] <chopper79> Then went to wireless and it was $100 a month for "up to" 5MB/s. Never got that speed.
[17:29:42] <Wolf_> wtf…
[17:30:03] <Wolf_> speed test just kicked out a 23Mbps test
[17:30:42] <chopper79> So went to frontier for their 5MB/s service and only get 167KB/s.... they have an "up to" thing also
[17:31:10] <chopper79> Wolf... really???...lol
[17:31:25] <Wolf_> yeah, usually its near 150
[17:31:56] <chopper79> I am not sure what I would even do with that much power to browse and download with
[17:32:46] <chopper79> oh wait.....get things doen quicker thats right
[17:32:53] <chopper79> done
[17:33:43] <Roguish> just did a speedtest here: 112 mbps download, 6.7 mbps up.
[17:33:44] <JT-Shop> I had radio for a while but they went under and took the tower down
[17:34:09] <Roguish> SF Bay Area.....
[17:34:11] <JT-Shop> so my two options are dial-up (no phone line anymore) or sat
[17:34:11] <chopper79> Wireless did not work out that well for me out here
[17:34:14] <Tom_L> JT-Shop, how's spyder sales goin?
[17:34:34] <chopper79> how is your sat working out for you?
[17:34:34] <JT-Shop> some items slow down during the winter and some pick up
[17:34:44] <Roguish> hey JT, i was up in the 'itch' yesterday.. working on some wiring in the attic.
[17:34:47] <JT-Shop> the air filter kits usually pick up mid winter
[17:35:28] <JT-Shop> I've been in the itch for a while
[17:35:54] <Wolfmetalfab> well that somewhat better…
[17:37:09] <Wolfmetalfab> zlog
[17:37:39] <chopper79> JT-Shop: Do you stock those drives?
[17:38:11] <JT-Shop> the hard drives?
[17:38:24] <chopper79> yes
[17:38:30] <JT-Shop> yes
[17:38:33] <chopper79> Ok.. Might order one as it could get here faster than I can download the ISO!
[17:38:47] <JT-Shop> lol, I know how you feel
[17:38:51] <Wolf_> lol
[17:39:53] <chopper79> Question on the auto updates with your drive configuration. If I make large changes to the way lcnc looks will the updates override them?
[17:40:28] <chopper79> I would hate to go through and change the way lcnc looks and then get a update push and wipe out my work
[17:40:52] <JT-Shop> nothing in your configs gets changed
[17:41:09] <JT-Shop> you can turn it off with one click of the mouse
[17:41:19] <JT-Shop> you have to approve them anyway
[17:41:38] <chopper79> I am thinking more along the lines of background colors, logos, etc.
[17:42:23] <JT-Shop> yea that would be in the source code unless you use the .axisrc file to modify them
[17:42:41] <JT-Shop> for Axis anyway
[17:42:48] <chopper79> essentially I am working towards my own version for my product. Would like to keep updates but do not want my changes altered with an update.
[17:43:05] <chopper79> not sure how the updates worked
[17:44:03] <JT-Shop> you get an ! icon and you click on it and review the updates and deselect any you don't want
[17:44:57] <chopper79> If left alone and lcnc update then my changes are history if I am not mistaken.
[17:45:28] <JT-Shop> yes if you modify the source code they are lost
[17:45:38] <chopper79> fair enough...thanks
[17:45:39] <JT-Shop> you could just work with a RIP
[17:45:50] <chopper79> ?
[17:46:16] <JT-Shop> Run In Place which would be in your file section
[17:46:29] <Roguish> chopper79: if you are creating a 'product' you probably would turn off updates anyway.
[17:46:46] <chopper79> hmm...have to look at that.
[17:47:32] <JT-Shop> if you git a copy and make a branch you can cherry pick commits from the main branch
[17:47:46] <chopper79> Roguish: I agree, and that is usually what I do. Looking at options for updates is all. Kind of like what tormach is doing and they have update option that keeps their changes.
[17:48:16] <chopper79> but updates things they pushed
[17:48:56] <JT-Shop> they prob have their own repo and the deb is placed there that they create
[17:49:17] <JT-Shop> that is how I update my drives that I sell
[17:49:29] <chopper79> ok.. This is gonna be a long road I have a feeling.
[17:49:58] <JT-Shop> can you say what your doing?
[17:50:02] <chopper79> I will continue to send out lcnc as it is now and then migrate over when I finish this idea.
[18:09:50] <XXCoder> gheys
[18:10:02] <XXCoder> *heys
[18:10:10] <XXCoder> https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1E3VpJVXXXXbRXpXXq6xXFXXX3/Updated-version-of-TB6600-Stepper-Motor-Driver-4A-9-42V-TTL-32-Micro-Step-CNC-font.jpg
[18:10:15] <XXCoder> look at signal connectors
[18:10:39] <XXCoder> on my BOB I has "+5 vclk cw en"
[18:10:56] <XXCoder> just 4 wires so im kinda puzzled on that controller 6 inputs
[18:18:46] <chopper79> 2hrs left of download... errr
[18:20:09] <XXCoder> JT-Shop: you know?
[18:21:21] <chopper79> Need to wire them as common cathode or common anode.
[18:21:48] <JT-Shop> hmm look like the ones I have
[18:22:08] <chopper79> common anode I think is the one you will want.
[18:22:56] <XXCoder> mind explaining a little? I'm pretty sure one of those is ground so basically common ground but..
[18:23:12] <JT-Shop> from my bob I have dir + and - and step +- to pul +-
[18:23:40] <JT-Shop> XXCoder: what bob
[18:23:52] <XXCoder> sure a second
[18:24:05] <Wolf_> XXCoder: if your signals from the bob are - ref then you just hook all the +5 up. if signal are +5v ref from bob, then you gnd all the - signal sides
[18:24:18] <JT-Shop> yep
[18:24:44] <XXCoder> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/High-Quality-Upgraded-5-Axis-CNC-Breakout-Board-for-Stepper-Motor-Driver-Mach3-USB-Cable/32738646022.html
[18:25:57] <XXCoder> https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1OeRrOpXXXXcWaXXXq6xXFXXXc/High-Quality-Upgraded-5-Axis-CNC-Breakout-Board-for-Stepper-Motor-Driver-Mach3-USB-Cable.jpg
[18:26:00] <XXCoder> closer view
[18:26:13] <JT-Shop> xclk is step
[18:26:13] <chopper79> http://www.sainsmart.com/tools-equipments/sainsmart-tb6600-cnc-micro-stepping-stepper-motor-driver-4-5a.html
[18:26:13] <XXCoder> it seems to use common enabled
[18:26:15] <chopper79> wiring
[18:26:42] <Wolf_> http://i.imgur.com/LxNNKnW.jpg
[18:27:45] <XXCoder> great pic
[18:28:02] <Wolf_> thats a gnd ref setup
[18:28:05] * JT-Shop wanders inside for the night
[18:28:06] <XXCoder> enable5v and dir 5+ seems connected together
[18:28:20] <JT-Shop> see you in the am
[18:28:23] <XXCoder> all 5v is connected together
[18:28:25] <XXCoder> JT-Shop: night
[18:28:29] <chopper79> Have a good night
[18:28:31] <Wolf_> green wire is enbl-
[18:28:40] <Wolf_> red is 5v
[18:28:47] <XXCoder> ya figured that
[18:28:51] <chopper79> This link shows wiring http://www.sainsmart.com/tools-equipments/sainsmart-tb6600-cnc-micro-stepping-stepper-motor-driver-4-5a.html
[18:28:54] <XXCoder> very nice pic, saving]
[18:29:12] <XXCoder> so white is pil0 and blue is dir-
[18:29:16] <XXCoder> *pul
[18:29:36] <Wolf_> yup
[18:29:59] <Wolf_> and I think you can set the bob outputs somewhere
[18:30:10] <XXCoder> 18gauge more than plenty right?
[18:30:17] <chopper79> yes
[18:30:17] <XXCoder> I kinda overordered on that
[18:30:30] <chopper79> more than fine wire size
[18:30:36] <Wolf_> pull to gnd is the suggested for LPT bob I think
[18:30:41] <XXCoder> I plan to replace all 12gauge wires with 18gauge too for steppers
[18:30:56] <XXCoder> 2A
[18:30:57] <Wolf_> yeah, I’m using like 20 gauge
[18:31:05] <chopper79> still fine
[18:31:16] <chopper79> 22 here
[18:31:17] <XXCoder> its much nicer and bundled unlike current way too thick wires
[18:31:29] <chopper79> 18 if the run is long
[18:31:39] <Wolf_> using 20ga for my 4A steppers lol
[18:31:39] <XXCoder> it isnt, machine is pretty small
[18:32:00] <Wolf_> or 18… i forget
[18:32:29] <XXCoder> im still jammed on designing a board to hold elements of cnc electrics
[18:32:34] <Wolf_> its 20ga
[18:32:37] <Wolf_> lol
[18:32:53] <XXCoder> in least till I figure how to do nicer station
[18:33:23] <Wolf_> actually all my signal wires are 22 gauge left over from my 3d printer endstops and stepper extension
[18:33:24] <XXCoder> I plan to have induction setup for rpm detection
[18:33:38] <XXCoder> but unsure how to wire that too lol
[18:33:50] <XXCoder> for now it just needs 12v and ground
[18:33:52] <Wolf_> i’m using a halls sensor and stand alone RPM right now
[18:34:11] <XXCoder> later I want better one that has actual output for BOB and linuxcnc
[18:34:55] <Wolf_> get some halls sensors on break out boards and a couple RPM displays for them
[18:35:12] <Wolf_> and some 3mm x 2mm magnets
[18:35:22] <Wolf_> 3mm dia, 2mm thick
[18:35:46] <XXCoder> feedback?
[18:35:52] <XXCoder> or just display for you to see?
[18:36:07] <Wolf_> just to see what its spinning at right now
[18:36:25] <Wolf_> I want to add feedback on the x2
[18:36:31] <XXCoder> http://www.ebay.com/itm/231637326487
[18:36:46] <XXCoder> only sfter buying it did I realize that it has no output heh
[18:37:19] <Wolf_> sure it does, you can tap that black IN+ wire
[18:37:34] <Wolf_> one pulse per rev
[18:37:46] <XXCoder> really not that complex eh?
[18:37:52] <XXCoder> so can just use one of input pins
[18:38:12] <Wolf_> getting the signal in I have no clue
[18:38:40] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6FzmJ5vpgs
[18:39:32] <XXCoder> not about wiring bah
[18:46:03] <XXCoder> Wolf_: just realized, sensor needs 8v to 16v
[18:46:07] <XXCoder> board is 5v
[18:46:27] <XXCoder> isnt it also mean sensor output would be same voltage as input and might damage BOB?
[18:48:57] <chopper79> Wolf: my download stalled and I have to start over. I was 1/2 way done....haha
[18:50:15] <Wolf_> what are you downloading.
[18:50:32] <Wolf_> really all you need is the kernel sauce and to do a build
[18:51:08] <chopper79> The iso for a clean install.
[18:51:26] <chopper79> Starting fresh so all other things are out of the mix
[18:51:36] <Wolf_> ah ok
[18:51:57] <Wolf_> didn’t you have Mint 17.3 already downloaded?
[18:52:55] <chopper79> yeah but usb drive pooped out somehow and I already deleted the iso I previously downloaded. I want to hit my head the wall for something I do.
[18:53:26] <Wolf_> lol that sucks
[18:53:31] <Wolf_> I’ve done that tho
[18:53:38] <chopper79> internet speeds are still about 174kb/s
[18:53:48] <chopper79> needs more coffee
[18:54:22] <Wolf_> I feel dumb cause I just realized tonight that I only needed to cook up the kernel once, not every install I was trying lol
[18:54:55] <chopper79> that would have been a time saver I bet
[18:55:17] <Wolf_> yeah, kernel build on a j1900 is dirt slow
[18:56:07] <chopper79> I am looking into that processor. Still debating on what I should do. I like the small form factor of those mini pc
[18:56:23] <pcw_home> nice to have a free fast system for kernel building (the ease of swapping drives between systems helps here)
[18:56:26] <chopper79> helps keep the desktop clutter free
[18:56:28] <Wolf_> if you are planning 7i92 then its nice
[18:56:54] <chopper79> I have a 7i92m with a 7i77 for my setup
[18:57:03] <chopper79> The other setups will be using the 7i76e
[18:57:31] <Wolf_> 7i92 + 7i77 is same for my one build
[18:57:42] <chopper79> nicie
[18:57:43] <chopper79> nice
[18:58:19] <chopper79> slow process for me right now. Will be nice once I get the os doen so I can start testing and get my vmc working
[18:58:45] <Wolf_> pcw_home: stepper w/ encoder, does a reg step/dir driver and stepper with encoder shoved on it work on a 7i76 ?
[19:01:25] <Wolf_> I really need to learn more about the servo stuff
[19:02:11] <chopper79> I am slowly move away from steppers and going all servos. The more I work with servos the more I dislike steppers... well besides the price
[19:02:29] <pcw_home> It can work though its important to note that a standard step drive/motor +encoder is not the same a a true servo
[19:03:27] <Wolf_> chopper79: http://i.imgur.com/TklJyTX.jpg 6” scale for scale...
[19:03:54] <Wolf_> so its better to go with brush/bldc servos vs the step/dir servos
[19:04:19] <chopper79> nice little box there
[19:05:14] <pcw_home> there are true servos that use step motors (leadshine has some)
[19:06:07] <Wolf_> I’m going to assume the difference is in the motor driver ?
[19:06:26] <gregcnc> are those sine commutated?
[19:09:21] <Wolf_> chopper79: case is a MITXPC MX500
[19:10:00] <Wolf_> http://a.co/9kwuyEj
[19:16:04] <pcw_home> Yes the difference is the driver (it works like a BLDC driver)
[19:18:32] <XXCoder> removing olf stepper wires
[19:18:46] <XXCoder> dang its so thick compared to stepper connected wires :P
[19:19:41] <XXCoder> checked, its thicker than spindle wires
[19:19:46] <Wolf_> such fun trying to find a place local that does surface plate calibration/testing
[19:19:49] <XXCoder> so it will do just fine for that usage :D
[19:20:15] <XXCoder> so some wires canm be reclaimed
[19:24:55] <XXCoder> bah
[19:24:59] <XXCoder> cant really keep at it
[19:28:01] <Wolf_> hmm and harmonic drives no so cheap on ebay...
[19:28:29] <gregcnc> compared to new?
[19:28:45] <XXCoder> surface calibration and reset really is interesting
[19:28:49] <gregcnc> biulding a 4th?
[19:28:49] <Wolf_> compared to low budget lol
[19:29:03] <Wolf_> yeah looking in to 4th axis build
[19:29:05] <XXCoder> saw guy use BIG slab of Al to sand down bed
[19:29:11] <XXCoder> using some powder
[19:29:19] <XXCoder> man was that alum slab shiny!!
[19:29:31] <XXCoder> if it was any shiner it would violate physics
[19:30:10] <gregcnc> did you watch the OXtool surface plate video?
[19:30:21] <XXCoder> nope
[19:30:29] <Wolf_> I did
[19:30:41] <XXCoder> I saw person doing surface calibration in person
[19:30:54] <Wolf_> relevant to my interest, I need to have 3 plates checked out
[19:30:54] <XXCoder> team of 3 did all urfaces we had, which is pretty many
[19:30:55] <gregcnc> cool
[19:30:56] <XXCoder> 12?
[19:31:49] <Wolf_> any idea what the average cost is to have a plate done? like a 24x18”
[19:31:58] <XXCoder> one surface was so bad it was at .002" varance, they got it dfown to .000012 (no not a typo I double checked count)
[19:33:23] <gregcnc> I don't know what it cost. I should calibrate a plate for serious work
[19:33:40] <XXCoder> greg theres classes - I know of A and B
[19:33:43] <XXCoder> all ones at work is A
[19:33:56] <XXCoder> B is less precise surface but good enough for most home use
[19:34:08] <XXCoder> forgot ranges those require
[19:34:19] <Wolf_> B would be shop floor
[19:34:34] <Wolf_> A tool room, AA clean room
[19:34:37] <Wolf_> iirc
[19:34:59] <XXCoder> no not clean room grades
[19:35:03] <XXCoder> the qualty of surface
[19:35:11] <XXCoder> oh yea
[19:35:13] <XXCoder> nm lol
[19:35:15] <gregcnc> right, the plate has an old B sticker
[19:35:32] <XXCoder> sorry wolf misread what you said as clean room grade heh
[19:35:50] <XXCoder> visited class AAA clean room once, insanely clean :P
[19:36:45] <XXCoder> looks like they changed how they classify clean room
[19:37:02] <gregcnc> maybe easier to buy one in cal at an auction
[19:37:22] <XXCoder> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleanroom#/media/File:Cleanroom1.jpg
[19:37:33] <XXCoder> that'd be old classify call class aaaa
[19:37:50] <Wolf_> http://i.imgur.com/HrKMbFI.png mine for $80, and http://i.imgur.com/Nz3oyT2.png for $45 each
[19:37:54] <XXCoder> I guess thats why they redefined it, easier to say class 1, 10, 100 so on
[19:38:10] <Wolf_> metric :P
[19:38:45] <gregcnc> ooh pink granite
[19:39:26] <XXCoder> you guys ever entered a cleanroom?
[19:39:35] <Wolf_> not me
[19:39:47] <gregcnc> no mine are usually messy
[19:39:50] <Wolf_> that pink is 24”X18”x7” on the listing
[19:39:59] <XXCoder> suits was annoying mask and goggle heh
[19:40:09] <XXCoder> only once, was a hiring tour. I didnt select clean room.
[19:40:10] <gregcnc> between the workshop and two kids, nothing is clean
[19:40:17] <Wolf_> haha
[19:40:39] <XXCoder> I had to enter a room, put on those stuff, then walk hall with high wind
[19:40:51] <XXCoder> then enter workspace which is pretty huge
[19:45:18] <XXCoder> heh greg kids is basically anti-cleanroom ;)
[19:45:53] <gregcnc> i did have my son twist some knobs on the lathe today
[19:46:41] <gregcnc> showed him how much math is used to make a wheel hub
[19:46:42] <chopper79> 4 kids = anti-clean house.
[19:47:28] <pcw_home> I had to wear a bunny suit helping someone fix Ion implanters at Signetics a million years ago
[19:53:35] <Wolf_ITX> wtf comcast
[19:54:12] <Wolf_ITX> speedtest 30Mbps, do it again 10 sec later, 200.7Mbps
[19:54:30] <malcom2073> second time "Oh shit, we forgoet we're supposed to be tricking you into thinking you have fast speed"
[19:54:59] <Wolf_ITX> really, oo 15.6 that tine
[19:54:59] <gregcnc> mine randomly drops out
[19:55:27] <Wolf_ITX> 12...
[19:56:19] <Wolf_ITX> and 175.6... I think malcom2073 is right lol
[19:56:32] <malcom2073> It's no secret, powerboost is purely to fool speedtests
[19:57:00] <gregcnc> you'd think they know the IP of the speed tests and make sure to fake it
[19:57:59] <Wolf_ITX> this is at my mom's, my house the connection speed is usually consistent
[19:58:50] <Wolf_ITX> probably due to me having a 1st gen DOSIS3 modem that they dont own lol
[20:00:58] <Wolf_> yay, get to drive to NJ tomorrow
[20:01:09] <malcom2073> I'm sorry.
[20:01:26] <BeachBumPete> evening folks
[20:01:33] <Wolf_> my thoughts as well lol
[20:02:24] <Wolf_> only plus is picking up metrology stuffs
[20:04:35] <XXCoder> Wolf_: sometimes I start speed download and download a fat file
[20:04:41] <XXCoder> gives download a speed boost
[20:06:05] <Wolf_> heh, I just want my damn web pages to load
[20:15:20] <chopper79> wolf: I am still downloading.... at 76.2kb/s now. ....haha. only 700mb left to go
[20:15:41] <Wolf_> yay, speed…
[20:16:21] <BeachBumPete> why is it so slow?
[20:16:54] <chopper79> frontier + country + distance from dslam = my internet speed
[20:17:11] <BeachBumPete> where are you located?
[20:17:19] <chopper79> Illinois
[20:17:36] <chopper79> country as in corn fileds
[20:17:44] <chopper79> The struggle is real
[20:17:48] <BeachBumPete> ooh I'm sorry
[20:18:32] <chopper79> :-(
[20:18:39] <BeachBumPete> hehe
[20:19:49] <gregcnc> i'm not I could survive going back to 1995
[20:19:52] <chopper79> started download at ~4:30 and still have 600mb of this iso left to go.
[20:20:18] <Wolf_> 1min d/l time for 32 bit mint 17.3 cinnamon
[20:20:34] <chopper79> I wish
[20:21:13] <BeachBumPete> I don't think I even ever think about download time anymore at least it has not been an issue seemingly
[20:21:20] <chopper79> says I have 1hr left, but this is also windows approximation so it means 2hrs
[20:22:02] <BeachBumPete> My wife just made some surprise funnel cakes. Have not had those in Forever. Damn they were yummy ;)
[20:22:09] <XXCoder> nice
[20:22:24] <XXCoder> chopper79: no sat options?
[20:22:29] <XXCoder> fast download but slow upload
[20:22:35] <chopper79> awesome... bananna cake here with cream cheese frosting.
[20:22:45] <XXCoder> bbq burritos here :P
[20:22:59] <chopper79> yes!!! I love burritos
[20:23:17] <XXCoder> not cheap store bought opnes
[20:23:20] <chopper79> I have sat option but with a family of 6 the data cap is reached very fast.
[20:24:01] <XXCoder> sucks
[20:24:47] <chopper79> yeah then the speeds drop down to what I have now. I am right between two town that have better service. Then there is me
[20:24:48] <BeachBumPete> man it was kind of a lazy sucky weekend here. Rained all day yesterday and most of the morning today. Did not get to go fishing
[20:25:29] <chopper79> Sucky gloomy days here also
[20:25:56] <XXCoder> its never NOT cloudy/rainy here
[20:26:02] <XXCoder> later winter
[20:26:04] <chopper79> where?
[20:26:06] <XXCoder> *late
[20:26:10] <XXCoder> northwest wa
[20:26:20] <chopper79> yeah I can see that being true
[20:26:41] <XXCoder> its slight hyperbole, we get sunny day per 2 to 3 weeks
[20:27:01] <BeachBumPete> well it was gorgeous here all week while I was working out on the Island
[20:27:09] <chopper79> That would drive me nuts. I need the sunshine
[20:27:14] <XXCoder> in summers nary a cloud, which is simes annoying
[20:27:18] <BeachBumPete> then Friday night a cold front went thru
[20:27:24] <BeachBumPete> bringin the rain and fog
[20:27:50] <XXCoder> chop sa;dy in 70s we used to have a cloudy day once a week in summer, it is rainforest biome after all, but havent been true for long time now
[20:28:09] <XXCoder> not sure exactly when it changed but yeah
[20:28:21] <BeachBumPete> Maybe I am just spoiled because since we got here its been really beautiful MOST of the time
[20:28:35] <BeachBumPete> well except for the hurricane LOL
[20:28:48] <BeachBumPete> even then it was STILL sunny most of the day hehe
[20:28:48] <chopper79> where at?
[20:29:00] <BeachBumPete> Central east Coast Florida
[20:29:25] <chopper79> I miss Florida. Lived in North Port and Sarasota for a while
[20:29:55] <XXCoder> heh northwesy wa is my most favorite weather, just that sometimes it gets depressing
[20:29:57] <BeachBumPete> heh we missed it too. I lived in Tennessee for almost 16 years and just moved back this past spring
[20:30:11] <XXCoder> like too much sun in summer, and not enough in other 3 seasons
[20:30:21] <chopper79> lol
[20:31:01] <BeachBumPete> I found out about this new to me kind of noisy bobber and artificial Shrimp means of catching Redfish,trout,and Snook I wanted to try
[20:31:03] <chopper79> Lived in Vegas for a while also. The wether there was awesome
[20:31:21] <XXCoder> uggh visited vegas in summer, way too hot
[20:32:05] <chopper79> I did not find it bad at all. I am more miserable in Illinois with the humidity then I was in vegas at 115
[20:32:12] <BeachBumPete> I have been to Vegas and it was indeed HOT when I was there but I hear it gets nice in the evening
[20:35:00] <chopper79> Well.... download time still says 1hr left so in 10mins I still have 1hr left as it said I did 10min ago. I will check back late ron. Time to go hang out with the wife for an hour.
[20:45:52] <BeachBumPete> Somehow I feel like I wasted this weekend. I did complete the Prototype but that is about it. Every week I get off work on Friday with such good intentions and then reality hits somehow. Oh well maybe next weekend
[20:46:24] <XXCoder> you did more than I did
[20:46:38] <XXCoder> what I did is little bit research and removed some wires. lol
[20:47:20] <Wolf_> I moved a pool table
[20:47:40] <BeachBumPete> its funny you mention pool table
[20:48:03] <BeachBumPete> my wife and I want to buy a nice pool table and MAKE it into a dinner table so we can play in the house without taking up a ton of room
[20:48:46] <Wolf_> I know someone that has a 9’ brunswick gold crown 3 for sale, $1500
[20:48:53] <Wolf_> + shipping ;)
[20:49:14] <BeachBumPete> yeah finding one is not really a problem they are on craigslist almost every day local
[20:49:33] <BeachBumPete> the problem is finding a nice one that COULD be served as a dinner table as well.
[20:49:37] <Wolf_> this is a comp/commercial grade one
[20:49:41] <BeachBumPete> Most have the massive base and built in legs
[20:49:45] <Wolf_> 1600lbs assembled
[20:49:57] <BeachBumPete> which is not conducive to a good dinner table
[20:50:17] <BeachBumPete> one of the ladies I am building a custom kitchen for out on the Island has a Dinner table/pool table
[20:50:24] <BeachBumPete> it is really cool but that one is HUGE
[20:51:14] <BeachBumPete> I mean she had someone build a table top that goes beyond the edges of the actual pool table to allow more room for your legs sitting in a chair underneath
[20:51:16] <Wolf_> yeah, so are these… need 15’ wide by like 20+ feet to properly use it
[20:52:01] <XXCoder> I miss school pool
[20:52:06] <XXCoder> used it often back then
[20:52:35] <XXCoder> it was pre-internet so it was good way to pass time
[20:52:54] <BeachBumPete> My wife and I enjoyed a beautiful upscale pool hall in Sacramento when we were out there. Used to have dinner there and shoot pool all the time.
[20:53:25] <BeachBumPete> there is actually a very nice hall not far from here but we still want to get one for our house..
[20:53:26] <Wolf_> my friend owned a pool hall, same one that I grew up hanging out at lol
[20:53:48] <XXCoder> I cant tell you how many hours I spent there'
[20:53:50] <Wolf_> now there isn’t many good pool halls around here
[20:54:02] <XXCoder> also loved old astroids coinop arcade machine there
[20:54:07] <XXCoder> it was free to use
[20:54:09] <Wolf_> just crappy 6’ bar tables with shitty felt
[20:54:15] <Wolf_> at bars...
[20:54:34] <BeachBumPete> I honestly don't mind the coin bar tables but we want at least an 8 foot table
[20:54:50] <XXCoder> top overlap can be 8ft long
[20:55:17] <BeachBumPete> Well our movie is starting here now have a good night folks
[20:55:21] <Wolf_> well, pool table is measured from the inside of the rails
[21:22:25] <gregcnc> quality control https://www.instagram.com/p/BP02-H1BnzE/
[21:23:06] <XXCoder> high end.
[21:23:13] <XXCoder> ... is that wood?
[21:23:24] <Wolf_> india clone I bet
[21:24:40] <XXCoder> silence since.. was it really wood? heh
[21:27:01] <CaptHindsight> would you file butter with steel? That would be silly.
[21:28:24] <XXCoder> wouldnt know, I dont file butter ;)
[21:36:02] <Gene_home> Yo, my GA-J1900N-D3V did not come with a printer port adapter. Do you think one of these will work??? http://www.ebay.com/itm/222115762117
[21:36:34] <Wolf_> should
[21:36:37] <XXCoder> gene yes if your motherboard has parallel onboard
[21:36:44] <XXCoder> so far I know, all of em does.
[21:36:50] <XXCoder> well basically
[21:37:02] <Wolf_> ^ if it has a LPT header on the board
[21:37:13] <Gene_home> many thanks!!!
[21:37:14] <CaptHindsight> check the pin spacing of the MB's LPT header
[21:37:35] <Gene_home> it looks right... but will know more after purchase
[21:37:43] <CaptHindsight> if it fits double check the pinouts
[21:38:02] <XXCoder> wolf uses better words. wish I can remember em better lol
[21:38:14] <XXCoder> yeah you dont wanna connect wrong way heh
[21:38:50] <Wolf_> I don’t see one on that board
[21:39:42] <Wolf_> 1 x parallel port header
[21:39:49] <Wolf_> its there somewhere...
[21:42:17] <Gene_home> i can figure pin 1 out find
[21:42:33] <Wolf_> yeah, its towards the front
[21:42:50] <XXCoder> usually its colored wire on ribbon, and pins tend to have one pin near it "1"
[21:43:30] <Gene_home> any recommended video porn to get me started with linuxcnc (newbie style)
[21:48:29] <Gene_home> not a lot of videos showing mesa card setup...
[21:49:19] <XXCoder> yeah info tend to be hard to find
[21:50:38] <Wolf_> last time I looked for mesa info I found andy’s vid of running a washing machine BLDC motor with it ...
[21:51:16] <Gene_home> thats exactly what I need!!!!
[21:51:57] <Wolf_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HdikHRXnAs
[21:53:12] <Gene_home> ya.... im past that
[21:54:09] <XXCoder> whats you using washer thing for
[21:55:11] * Wolf_ smacks XXCoder upside the head, look at the name on the vid
[21:55:36] <XXCoder> I know
[21:55:52] <XXCoder> just unsure what its ultimate use is for. as washer machine?
[21:56:05] <Wolf_> free BLDC motor
[21:56:12] <XXCoder> ahh
[21:56:26] <Gene_home> sorry... I was joking about the washer machine hak..... I thought you were too
[21:56:35] <Wolf_> lol
[21:56:50] <XXCoder> tsk tsk heh
[21:56:56] <Wolf_> I wish, info is low on mesa + bldc servo stuff
[22:10:33] <XXCoder> https://hackernoon.com/if-youve-got-an-older-machine-that-doesn-t-have-macros-or-a-probe-and-you-need-to-detect-broken-8da7d249825f#.v2dco514e
[22:10:36] <XXCoder> interesting
[22:13:08] <Gene_home> good find XXC
[22:13:52] <XXCoder> gcode only concern is that it dont seem to ensure that length is actually used
[22:14:11] <XXCoder> if tool is changed but length offset not set it might crash trying to go to z for trigger
[22:14:56] <Gene_home> pending the setup design
[22:16:05] <Wolf_> I was thinking doing something similar but using a spring loaded target on a load cell, add a limit switch that the target post would hit if its trying to crash and might have a nice idea for a tool setter/broken tool detection
[22:19:00] <XXCoder> I fairly suspect there can be many ways to do this
[22:19:11] <XXCoder> y machine is just too tiny for that to bge useful lol
[22:19:32] <Wolf_> load sensor isn’t big lol
[22:19:59] <XXCoder> no I meant it dont even have tool changer
[22:20:06] <XXCoder> so I would need to set each tool anyway
[22:20:22] <Wolf_> oh, well cool thing is you can use it to probe for the tool length as well
[22:20:30] <Wolf_> so you wouldn’t need to set it
[22:20:43] <XXCoder> thats true
[22:20:56] <XXCoder> how do i use load sensor?
[22:21:01] <XXCoder> on surface and tool hit it?
[22:21:17] <Wolf_> my idea is to make the lazy man/super productive machine
[22:21:53] <Wolf_> http://i.imgur.com/prVwpxe.jpg load cell is attached to a nema 17 as a base here
[22:22:38] <XXCoder> in such way when it jams it would trigger?
[22:22:43] <XXCoder> how sensive is it?
[22:23:00] <Wolf_> just use a arduio to measure the weight on it, or load the start up as 0 and touch/weight as output trigger time
[22:23:08] <Wolf_> gram
[22:23:58] <Wolf_> use a m3 screw spring and locknut as a tool target
[22:27:02] <XXCoder> cool, probably will use something else though
[22:27:09] <XXCoder> maybe simple touch plate
[22:27:23] <Wolf_> yep
[22:27:45] <Wolf_> my ideas are all leaning towards automated canned cycles to use
[22:30:57] <Gene_home> what is your guys recommendation for a printer port breakout board?
[22:31:17] <XXCoder> I bought one but havent used it yet. I can definitely tell its low quality
[22:33:53] <Gene_home> thats fine, please share
[22:34:45] <Gene_home> I have a 5i23, but was curious what the other end of the spectrum is?
[22:35:36] <CaptHindsight> http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/breakout-boards located near Chicago
[22:36:05] <CaptHindsight> so if you have problems you deal with someone in the USA vs ChinaCo
[22:36:22] <XXCoder> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/High-Quality-Upgraded-5-Axis-CNC-Breakout-Board-for-Stepper-Motor-Driver-Mach3-USB-Cable/32738646022.html chinese shit buy at your risk
[22:37:06] <Wolf_> I have one like the KL-DB25-5, but… $18 from amazon http://a.co/2paGMXb
[22:37:42] <Wolf_> one I actually ordered http://a.co/dFbGj3g
[22:37:51] <Wolf_> I use it for bench testing stuff
[22:37:58] <CaptHindsight> http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/breakout-boards/kl-db25-breakout-board cheaper on Amazon but now Amazon lies about ship dates and times
[22:38:22] <XXCoder> no shit
[22:38:39] <Gene_home> https://cnc4pc.com/c35s-quick-setup-breakout-board.html
[22:38:59] <CaptHindsight> http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/breakout-boards/5-axis-cnc-breakout-board
[22:39:05] <Wolf_> all my amazon shit shows up on time
[22:39:19] <Wolf_> 2 biz days min every time
[22:39:29] <XXCoder> I have growing dislike of amazon due to their treatement of workers'
[22:40:16] <CaptHindsight> Gene_home: RJ45 connectors for all I/Os.
[22:40:28] <CaptHindsight> may or may not make things easier for you
[22:42:04] <CaptHindsight> Gene_home: and to make things more complicated the docs are often wrong or poorly written
[22:42:26] <Gene_home> many thanks for the overview!!!
[22:42:28] <XXCoder> or nonexistant
[22:42:49] <CaptHindsight> optos on the BOB and optos on your stepper drivers require some thought
[22:43:36] <CaptHindsight> often the poor instructions assume some sort of hardware combo that is not mentioned in the docs
[22:44:10] <Gene_home> hardware combo??
[22:44:14] <CaptHindsight> or something poorly copied from Mach docs
[22:49:07] <XXCoder> machine I use at work uses laser tool checker
[22:49:14] <XXCoder> it uses loooooong script heh
[22:50:09] <CaptHindsight> Gene_home: some driver combo with the BOB that is not given a part number or source
[22:50:43] <CaptHindsight> Gene_home: a wiring diagram to mystery boards
[22:51:16] <XXCoder> I have no idea how long that script is. 100 lines? 1,000 lines?
[22:51:28] <XXCoder> it runs though it extremely rapidly and skip blocks
[22:56:23] <MacGalempsy> evening gents
[22:56:30] <XXCoder> hey overlord
[22:56:56] <MacGalempsy> jymmm is the overlord
[22:57:11] <XXCoder> oh sorry with respect, over-overlord
[22:57:26] <MacGalempsy> heh. see you got some drivers
[22:57:53] <XXCoder> tb6600s and BOB? that was while ago, just trying to do stfuf not leave it laying forever
[22:57:56] * Wolf_ wonders who is the over-underlord
[22:58:03] <XXCoder> me
[22:58:13] <MacGalempsy> is that like a bookie?
[22:58:37] <XXCoder> no idea theres infinite layers of heirachy I havent gotten my taks list heh
[22:59:15] <MacGalempsy> think I just figured out how to program the last button on my machine panel, which is next tool
[22:59:51] <MacGalempsy> so this week will be a long push to get everything functional
[23:01:09] <MacGalempsy> signals, pid tuning, atc programming...then cut the new collet holders
[23:01:41] <MacGalempsy> Wolf_: how is your arduino probe interface coming along?
[23:01:58] <Wolf_> I haven’t messed with it
[23:02:19] <Wolf_> I’m not at the same house as my cnc machine so not much I can do right now
[23:02:24] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/7e4qTRJ.png
[23:02:34] <zeeshan> finally a knife design i actually want to machine
[23:02:47] <XXCoder> yo
[23:03:22] <Wolf_> so plain
[23:03:35] <zeeshan> i need to make it plain because
[23:03:38] <zeeshan> the handle will be exotic wood
[23:04:05] <Wolf_> need to make the blade from cable damascus or something
[23:04:11] <zeeshan> no
[23:04:13] <zeeshan> o1 steel!
[23:04:15] <Wolf_> lol
[23:04:15] <zeeshan> keeping it simple
[23:04:22] <XXCoder> inocel blade
[23:04:30] <Wolf_> 300 folded o1 steel
[23:04:35] <zeeshan> i have to see what ihave left for exotic wood
[23:05:42] <zeeshan> http://i901.photobucket.com/albums/ac219/burlsource/jan14/1_zpsb9772671.jpg
[23:05:59] <zeeshan> i believe i got one of the right middle block
[23:06:28] <XXCoder> why wolf just use inocel ;)
[23:06:33] <XXCoder> it'd be definitely unique heh
[23:06:47] <MacGalempsy> damascus. then machine the edge
[23:06:55] <Wolf_> thats pretty
[23:07:11] <XXCoder> you still has some of those weird wood leftover from your old project?
[23:07:17] <XXCoder> have they ever reordered?
[23:10:25] <MacGalempsy> damascus with cocobolo
[23:12:30] <MacGalempsy> http://savagewoods.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/COCO7.jpg
[23:12:52] <zeeshan> XXCoder: i still make them
[23:12:58] <XXCoder> nice!
[23:13:00] <zeeshan> i have lots of stabalized/exotic wood scrap
[23:13:01] <XXCoder> I was wondering
[23:13:15] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/T7T3IFO.jpg
[23:13:16] <XXCoder> so it was a hit eh
[23:13:18] <zeeshan> im liking this one more
[23:13:25] <zeeshan> nahh
[23:13:27] <zeeshan> its low quantity stuff
[23:13:42] <zeeshan> i think ive made 900 total of different types
[23:13:45] <XXCoder> just few orders per certain time eh
[23:15:44] <XXCoder> https://youtu.be/FkblA_CxHgU
[23:16:05] <zeeshan> haha
[23:16:24] <XXCoder> eyes just is. yeah just not good. eyes dont work that way
[23:18:26] <XXCoder> ya know
[23:18:35] <XXCoder> its tiny ROUND montiors from what I see
[23:18:47] <XXCoder> I bet it can be useful for certain cnc machine displays
[23:20:31] <XXCoder> ah its apparently one lcd oh well
[23:24:20] <XXCoder> apparently they can remotely and indetctable do it
[23:24:32] <XXCoder> meaning anyone can add curses to furbys in store
[23:26:25] <Gene_home> if I was to order some tool steel to make some cutters later on, what size would you recommend?
[23:26:47] <Gene_home> newbie here
[23:27:36] <Gene_home> https://www.onlinemetals.com/productguides/toolsteelguide.cfm
[23:30:01] <Gene_home> was thinking 1/4 x 3/8
[23:30:21] <Gene_home> buy maybe 1/8 x 3/8