#linuxcnc | Logs for 2017-01-28

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[00:20:08] <IchGucksLive> morning From Germany
[00:20:25] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjTcZElWlTw check it out IchGucksLive
[00:20:35] <XXCoder> some cnc
[00:20:48] <IchGucksLive> yours
[00:20:52] <XXCoder> nah I wish
[00:22:32] <IchGucksLive> bad video edding
[00:23:07] <IchGucksLive> dident used the -af atempo=2.0,atempo=2.0 to get sound fake
[00:23:25] <XXCoder> oh sound I dont care. I'm deaf after all heh
[00:23:41] <XXCoder> hes one of rare ones that always add english captions. awesome!
[00:23:44] <IchGucksLive> -filter:v "setpts=0.25*PTS"
[00:24:20] <XXCoder> oh yeah
[00:24:24] <IchGucksLive> https://youtu.be/sqx9w80diKo
[00:24:32] <XXCoder> I finally got spindle for my cnc router
[00:24:38] <XXCoder> just need to complete wiring my machine
[00:24:51] <XXCoder> just.. uncertain if 18 gage is enough
[00:25:01] <XXCoder> 2A if I recall each stepper
[00:26:03] <IchGucksLive> let me check 18gage
[00:26:32] <IchGucksLive> https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Wire_Gauge
[00:26:58] <IchGucksLive> 0,823 yes it is
[00:27:19] <IchGucksLive> ci use 0.75 at max 10m 30feet
[00:27:40] <XXCoder> execellent. I have 14 gauge currently and want to change it to nice bundle 18 gage, and use those thicker ones for spindle
[00:27:45] <XXCoder> spindle is 400w
[00:28:01] <IchGucksLive> why not a 1.1kw
[00:28:11] <XXCoder> 30 feet is plenty, machine I need approx 5 feet? max heh
[00:28:14] <IchGucksLive> aircooled at 200USD
[00:28:19] <XXCoder> yeah and too big :D
[00:28:26] <XXCoder> 52mm diameter limit
[00:28:35] <IchGucksLive> let me see
[00:28:36] <XXCoder> my spindle is just $155 bucks
[00:29:19] <IchGucksLive> Maße: φ 65 x 188mm (Durchmesser: 65 mm x Länge: 188 mm)
[00:29:22] <XXCoder> hey the JY
[00:29:22] <IchGucksLive> oh it is 65
[00:29:29] <IchGucksLive> https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B0179SARRQ/ref=s9_acsd_hps_bw_c_x_2_w
[00:29:37] <IchGucksLive> ok i need to close
[00:29:43] <XXCoder> maybe when I get bigger machine I can get that
[00:29:45] <XXCoder> but not now
[00:29:49] <IchGucksLive> igot today the beggest CNC event i ever made
[00:30:00] <XXCoder> yah saw your previous comment about that
[00:30:01] <IchGucksLive> about 40 CNC will RUN "hoping"
[00:30:19] <XXCoder> nice :) big or small hobby machines for students righjt?
[00:30:27] <IchGucksLive> 2 full Educatrion rooms will be presented to the goverment
[00:30:56] <IchGucksLive> yes the biggest is less then 80cm in dimention
[00:31:09] <IchGucksLive> Jet ,Plasma
[00:31:14] <IchGucksLive> 2-7 Axes
[00:31:26] <XXCoder> nice!
[00:31:33] <IchGucksLive> see You
[00:31:36] <XXCoder> work got 11 new machines lol
[00:31:39] <XXCoder> later
[00:50:48] <chopper79> I just went through the build process shown here https://forum.linuxcnc.org/9-installing-linuxcnc/29917-linux-mint-with-rtai
[00:51:00] <chopper79> All the folders are in place but can not launch lcnc
[00:51:04] <chopper79> Any advice?
[00:51:15] <chopper79> also does not show up in menu
[00:51:33] <chopper79> this is on Mint 17.3
[01:10:31] <XXCoder> new clickspring video!!
[01:10:48] <XXCoder> its just intro but still.
[01:11:51] <XXCoder> hey chopper sorry no advice :(
[01:15:32] <chopper79> no worries.... I am going through it all again to see if I missed something.
[01:22:18] <kpj10> hello everyone. i'm so glad to join the linuxcnc group.
[01:22:49] <kpj10> I'm looking forwaard to drive a two axis wirecutt edm
[01:23:07] <XXCoder> cool
[01:23:18] <kpj10> wirecut edm*
[01:24:20] <kpj10> in emd processing we need a short circuit detection and then a feed hold
[01:27:03] <kpj10> i'm able t detect a shortcircuit but i'm no aable to figure out how to put a feedd hold signal...any guidance wil be appreciated
[01:28:17] <XXCoder> hopefully someone can answer
[01:29:53] <kpj10> hopefully
[01:29:54] <kpj10> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoV8UXtLYmE
[01:30:11] <kpj10> the url
[01:32:32] <kpj10> Persons involved are people from poland...as because of the language they are not as helpful
[01:33:36] <chopper79> Its late and I am getting tired. What is the command to launch lcnc from terminal? and also what directory do I need to be under
[01:34:22] <archivist> kpj10, quite a few pole speak reasonable english worth trying to contact them for sample config
[01:35:37] <kpj10> someone else did
[01:35:40] <archivist> chopper79, http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/getting-started/running-linuxcnc.html
[01:36:30] <archivist> kpj10, iirc there was something on the mailing list as well
[01:36:51] <kpj10> @archivist but i don't think they are in mood to share
[01:38:49] <archivist> kpj10, back in 2003 in the developers mailing list [Emc-developers] custom EDM configuration questions
[01:40:07] <chopper79> Well no luck... Can not seem to get lcnc to launch from terminal. This is a install on mint https://forum.linuxcnc.org/9-installing-linuxcnc/29917-linux-mint-with-rtai
[01:40:33] <chopper79> All folders show in the right locations and I am in preemt now.
[01:41:02] <kpj10> @archivist i'm able to add a pyvcp panel but i'm not able to ad feed hold
[01:41:08] <chopper79> typing linuxcnc in terminal comes back with no command
[01:42:08] <archivist> chopper79, have you installed properly
[01:42:31] <chopper79> I believe so
[01:42:54] <archivist> kpj10, that mailing list thread mentions using motion.feedhold
[01:42:56] <chopper79> could be wrong as this is the first time I have ever tried to build from source
[01:43:08] <archivist> make install?
[01:43:26] <archivist> I always use the live cd :)
[01:43:28] <chopper79> have not as it was not in list of things to do
[01:43:40] <chopper79> I will run make
[01:46:39] <archivist> chopper79, later on when jt wakes up he uses mint
[01:47:21] <chopper79> I do remember the make command after you mentioed it. Its compiling now
[01:48:39] <chopper79> It is 1:19am and I am tired. If this works I am going to bed. If it does not work I am going to bed.
[01:49:04] <archivist> it is 7 am time to get breakfast
[01:49:31] <chopper79> 6hrs and I will be doing that myself
[01:50:13] <chopper79> actually more around 5hrs.... kids will be waking me up
[01:53:12] <kpj10> seriously no one
[01:56:17] <chopper79> It launched!!!!
[01:56:38] <archivist> kpj10, motion.feed-hold IN BIT When Feed Stop Control is enabled with M53 P1, and this bit is TRUE, the feed rate is set to 0.
[01:56:46] <kpj10> congrats
[01:56:49] <archivist> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/man/man9/motion.9.html
[02:03:01] <kpj10> archivist if you have ometime...can you please guidde me.
[02:03:11] <kpj10> sometime*
[02:03:45] <kpj10> guide*
[02:05:31] <archivist> I dont have edm and not really followed all the emails, on the subject, all the archives are on the net, there may be something on the forum or wiki as well
[02:06:04] <kpj10> link me the url
[02:06:28] <archivist> google [Emc-developers] custom EDM configuration questions and there are a number
[02:06:46] <kpj10> ok i will
[02:11:03] <kpj10> archivist as you suggested feed stop control enable m53 P1 do i need to include thin in my ngc file?
[02:12:35] <kpj10> in my postgui file i have "net pin15 parport.0.pin-15-in pyvcp.my-led net pin15 parport.0.pin-15-in motion.feed-hold"
[02:12:37] <archivist> the motion pin is for your hardware to stop on a short, what you do in gcode is up to you
[02:23:55] <Deejay> moin
[02:27:07] * Wolf_ knows its past his bed time when Deejay says morning
[02:31:51] <archivist> WAKEUP
[02:34:24] <Wolf_> well, I think I found my next CNC project after I get my house and shop in order https://www.ammobot.us/products/ammobot-auto-drive-for-dillon-1050
[02:35:51] <kpj10> done!!!1! hurraay hurray
[02:36:06] <kpj10> archivist
[02:36:11] <kpj10> thaak you
[02:36:13] <Wolf_> tho I think they picked the worst possible way to make that run
[02:36:19] <kpj10> thank * you
[02:39:13] <archivist> Wolf_, I am contemplating the code/interface for the LVDT probe, use the tarduino to decide and measure the over run after contact
[02:39:46] <Wolf_> nice, is that what that height gauge is that I’m picking up?
[02:40:17] <Wolf_> I still haven’t even been able to find a manual for the thing online
[02:40:28] <archivist> I am guessing there is a force measuring thing on that height gauge
[02:41:05] <Wolf_> yeah, thats my guess as well, there is a wire running off the probe stylus
[02:41:28] <Wolf_> almost all the other pics of the same unit all have that missing in it as well lol
[02:42:13] <archivist> others could be measuring the stylus mount with a load cell
[02:43:03] <Wolf_> no, I mean the matching unit tirmos TV 500/800
[02:43:15] <Wolf_> which is just a guess at what that one is
[02:43:53] <Wolf_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Trimos-TV-500-Height-Gauge-/332045171393
[02:44:15] <archivist> remote v internal or like mitutoyo with SPC on the second box
[02:46:31] <archivist> ebay spams this http://www.ebay.com/itm/Brown-Sharpe-Height-Gage-36-Electronic-Tesa-Swiss-Gauge-Inspection-Probe-CMM/291461570985
[02:46:37] <Wolf_> http://www.machinebidder.com/media/lot/dbd63ae430ace6f62a808f3176120f4019a229a2.jpg
[02:48:19] <archivist> is that the actual one?
[02:48:21] <Wolf_> the B&S is the same shape… mostly
[02:48:30] <Wolf_> no thats another random pic
[02:48:45] <Wolf_> but I see a different probe in that photo
[02:49:04] <archivist> I think a few are just other makes with a paint job
[02:49:21] <Wolf_> maybe
[02:49:39] <archivist> that probe looks LVDT like
[02:50:07] <Wolf_> this is actual https://www.bidspotter.com/en-us/auction-catalogues/comly-auctioneers/catalogue-id-bscco10091/lot-c209d4a9-f438-4a2a-9ec6-a70400ed83ad
[02:50:22] <Wolf_> let me know if it doesn’t load and I’ll pull the photo
[02:51:00] <archivist> if you could get the real pic
[02:51:33] <archivist> see http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=lvdt first two images, are a small probe I found with a display
[02:52:35] <Wolf_> http://i.imgur.com/oapW32x.jpg
[02:56:24] <archivist> I decided I had too many pages open so saved some images :) http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/mirror/probe/wolf/
[02:56:36] <Wolf_> lol
[02:58:53] <archivist> and rotated and renamed http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/mirror/probe/wolf/Fowler_Trimos.jpg
[02:59:05] <Wolf_> I did find some vid of the same unit on youtube, from auction preview of course… so just showing one going up and down with the numbers changing but no probing sequence
[03:01:48] <archivist> I have one more image to stitch today have to shut firefox to let me have some memory, last has 12 A4 scans
[03:03:02] <Wolf_> biggest question in my mind right now is if I’ll be able to get a manual for the thing from fowler or tirmos
[03:03:42] <archivist> service or user manual, one cheap other not
[03:04:27] <Wolf_> guess that partly depends if it even works when I get it home lol
[03:05:34] <Gene_home> what is the recommended OS for my Gigabyte J1900N-D3V?
[03:06:40] <Wolf_> linux?
[03:06:57] <Gene_home> what flavor of unix?
[03:07:30] <Gene_home> I hear some taste like Mint
[03:07:37] <Wolf_> try live-cd, if that seems to suck or not load drivers for anything then I think the go to is cooking Mint
[03:07:42] <archivist> I just use the live CD
[03:08:17] <Gene_home> why not install on hard drive?
[03:09:17] <archivist> I do, from the live cd
[03:09:29] <Gene_home> ah... ok
[03:09:52] <archivist> it means all the realtime installation is done for you
[03:10:30] <Gene_home> how much hard drive space should I have? I have an old SSD at 60-80 gig
[03:10:57] <Wolf_> you sorta do the same for mint, get iso, make it boot somehow (burn/usb drive) then you need to kernel build and lcnc user space or something
[03:11:22] <Wolf_> I have mine installed in 15gb partition
[03:11:30] <archivist> I am on something like a 10 g drive
[03:12:21] <Gene_home> will the live CD repartition win10 and install itself?
[03:12:36] <Gene_home> dual boot afterward?
[03:13:28] <Wolf_> sort of, I think you need to set the partition and grub (i’m partly linux noob)
[03:15:07] <Gene_home> should the mesa cards be installed prior to installing linuxcnc
[03:15:19] <archivist> I do not share a box
[03:15:31] <Wolf_> hmm I guess I went bigger then I thought I did, 120gb SSD
[03:16:17] <Wolf_> ^ what he said, IMO the j1900 isn’t going to be great running windows
[03:16:51] <Wolf_> only reason I set up my partition for possible dual boot was for trying other kernels
[03:17:07] <Gene_home> good point
[03:17:57] <Gene_home> afk
[03:18:27] <Wolf_> but someone else pointed out to me that its better to build the kernel on a more grunty cpu if you don’t want it to take forever
[03:24:42] <Wolf_> hmm wonder what the cost is to have a surface plate calibrated
[03:28:21] <archivist_> Wolf_, there is a youtube of a pair of blokes who come to you to do it
[03:29:36] <Wolf_> yeah, well I need to pick the plates up from the auction site, and the closest co that does it just happens to be a little ways west of there…
[03:29:38] <archivist_> I fixed my own few high spots(dings) and hope it is "good enough"
[03:30:02] <Wolf_> I have no idea how bad these 3 plates are going to be lol
[03:31:02] <archivist_> I have a couple, one was terrible, other ex army and looked ok
[03:32:46] <Wolf_> one is a 24”x18”x7” (7? odd number) pink granite with ledge, other 2 are 18”x12”x4” one w/ ledge
[03:33:23] <Wolf_> and I can’t tell if one of the 18x12 is pink or not lol
[03:35:41] <archivist_> I dont think the granite ones move much, but with 3 you can check and make good from first principles
[03:36:20] <archivist_> will keep you quiet for a month of sundays :)
[03:36:23] <Wolf_> more worried about if they are worn or not
[03:37:51] <Wolf_> this place had 17 surface plates, I think they may have been using them lol
[03:38:34] <Wolf_> some of them looked like they were used for lapping as well
[03:40:12] <archivist_> with 3 you can lap flat
[03:42:26] <Wolf_> would that work with 2 of them being smaller then the 3rd
[03:45:00] <archivist_> the video I watched showed various sizes being used
[03:45:59] <Wolf_> I’ll have to look. but I can call that shop and ask what pricing is for checking/calibrating, not like I have much else to do with 1.5-2hr drive up lol
[03:47:23] <archivist_> I have a hard time using my level on mine to check it, the building/floor is just not stable enough
[03:48:21] <Wolf_> I need to stone/scrape/lap my level before I do anything with it
[03:49:35] <archivist_> after sliding the levels on the plate you see shiny spots
[03:49:58] <Wolf_> yeah, I can see dings on it already
[03:50:20] <Wolf_> but, its a level, just needs to be flat on the bottom lol
[03:52:44] <Wolf_> I can’t complain, $78 98-12 starrett
[03:58:01] <archivist_> I can complain, more than I paid for my Cooke Troughtons :)
[03:58:19] <Wolf_> lol
[03:59:28] <Wolf_> http://i.imgur.com/WzFfTBL.jpg makes up for some of my over paying IMO lol
[03:59:33] <archivist_> when I see http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-Cooke-Troughton-Simms-Ltd-Engineers-Level-/222390689570 and similar stay on ebay for months
[04:00:35] <archivist_> this one probably a couple of years almost http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Cooke-Troughton-Simms-Ltd-Engineers-Level-original-Box-Very-nice-/361881320187
[04:00:39] <Wolf_> mine isn’t vintage lol
[04:01:31] <archivist_> define vintage, these are old enough to have stress relieved and stop moving
[04:03:06] <Wolf_> http://i.imgur.com/T9rvLuU.jpg it looks mostly newish, came from a billiards company
[04:04:34] <MrSunshine> hey, just got a new stepper system with feedback, the drivers puts out an PEND signal (in position signal) is that usable by linuxcnc somehow to know that the stepper moves ? as the encoder is not fed back to linuxcnc in any other way =)
[05:14:58] <jthornton> morning
[06:40:09] <jthornton> my basil has sprouted :)
[06:40:31] <XXCoder> yay
[06:40:48] <XXCoder> I plan to finally use my boat I printed a while ago
[06:41:05] <XXCoder> in order tp sprout that danged fruit seed (forgot name bah)
[06:41:13] <XXCoder> makes gauacho
[06:47:24] <jthornton> cool, I figured out that when they first sprout you need to put them as close as possible to the grow bulb
[06:48:04] <XXCoder> light?
[06:48:19] <jthornton> yea, I'm starting them insidew
[06:49:07] <XXCoder> okay wanted to be sure :D
[06:49:47] <jthornton> I start the seeds in a sealed container on top of a heating pad set on low with a towel covering it
[06:50:59] <XXCoder> https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:1466370
[06:51:03] <XXCoder> avopcado
[06:52:34] <jthornton> cool
[06:53:37] <XXCoder> http://www.csmonitor.com/The-Culture/Gardening/2009/0218/harvest-avocados-indoors
[06:54:04] <XXCoder> I dont really plan to do full just testing boat see how well it works lol
[06:54:22] <XXCoder> if I ever own a land I'm planting avocodo trees in hothouse
[08:12:23] * jthornton downloads a bunch of fusion 360 videos
[08:15:15] <XXCoder> they need to caption em
[10:36:44] <MacGalempsy> good morning
[10:37:09] <pfred1> what's so good about it?
[10:37:16] <BeachBumPete> Good morning Mac
[10:37:37] <pfred1> I'm getting the same error I was getting last night
[10:37:41] <BeachBumPete> and yeah it is INDEED a Good morning ;)
[10:37:45] <pfred1> it pisses me off!
[10:37:47] <MacGalempsy> nice and clear here. no dog barking last night. and the wife is doing homework all day, so i'm going to take a spin in Kadesha
[10:38:00] <BeachBumPete> ?
[10:38:02] <pfred1> oh yeah the weather suck too
[10:38:25] <pfred1> what is the temperature?
[10:38:43] <pfred1> 43 freedom degrees
[10:38:54] <BeachBumPete> ouch
[10:39:03] <BeachBumPete> its like 73 here today :)
[10:39:09] <pfred1> and it is overcast
[10:39:22] <MacGalempsy> 35
[10:39:28] <BeachBumPete> we had a small cold front hehe
[10:39:30] <MacGalempsy> kadesha https://flic.kr/p/emtyhn
[10:39:30] <pfred1> hey we're getting off light this winter thank God for global warming
[10:39:46] <BeachBumPete> NICE
[10:39:51] <pfred1> it could be 20F this time of year
[10:39:54] <BeachBumPete> but why kadesha?
[10:40:15] <MacGalempsy> kadesha was the prophet mohammeds most beautiful wife
[10:40:24] <MacGalempsy> and she was black with red inside
[10:40:38] <BeachBumPete> what was she 11 years old?
[10:40:58] <MacGalempsy> idk, but mine is 15
[10:41:27] <BeachBumPete> that is my wife's favorite car the 911
[10:42:00] <MacGalempsy> when I was deciding on how to blow way too much money at once, it came down to that or a red F355
[10:42:14] <BeachBumPete> shoulda got the 355 :)
[10:42:38] <MacGalempsy> however, the repair on the F355 was way too much and had to go to Dallas. This I could get repaired in town and cheaper
[10:42:54] <BeachBumPete> there is that
[10:42:58] <MacGalempsy> plus this is faster :)
[10:43:29] <BeachBumPete> is that a turbo?
[10:44:35] <MacGalempsy> twin ;)
[10:44:48] <BeachBumPete> then yeah it is faster ;)
[10:44:48] <MacGalempsy> with the big kit
[10:46:41] <MacGalempsy> its supposed to top out at 192, but i've only had it to 175
[10:48:44] <BeachBumPete> nice. The fastest I have ever been on a road was about 170 on my 1993 Yamaha FZR1000 modified. That was just nutz
[10:49:16] <pfred1> slow and steady wins the race
[10:49:18] <MacGalempsy> you know you are going fast when the dashed centerline becomes a solid centerline
[10:49:36] <MacGalempsy> thats what guys with slow cars always say :)
[10:49:50] <pfred1> I got a fast car
[10:49:51] <BeachBumPete> yup plus your helmet behind the windscreen is getting blown around even tho you are tucked in as far as you can be
[10:49:56] <pfred1> I just don't drive it fast
[10:50:15] <MacGalempsy> my fastest on a street bike was 153 on a 2001 CBR600rr
[10:50:17] <pfred1> I did once and i wised up
[10:50:54] <MacGalempsy> I think wide throttle on my yz250 is about 90, and thats pretty fast on a dirt road
[10:51:07] <MacGalempsy> pucker factor = 10
[10:52:31] <pfred1> I have a 1966 P1800S with a 1969 B20-B engine in it bored .122 over with dual Weber DCOE 45mm side drafts on it, among other things
[10:52:46] <pfred1> it's fast
[10:53:05] <pfred1> it'll lay down 4h unmercifilly at over 100 MPH
[10:53:16] <BeachBumPete> that is such a cool car
[10:53:54] <pfred1> when I ordred the came for t from Crane the rep on the phone dais, You're not going to run this on the street, are you?
[10:54:15] <pfred1> it is 460 lift with 300 degree duration
[10:54:45] <pfred1> you don't come off the line over 3,500 RPM you don't go
[10:54:59] <BeachBumPete> so its a drag kar then?
[10:55:00] <pfred1> it'll tach to 10 grand
[10:55:09] <pfred1> IMSA GT racer
[10:55:29] <pfred1> it has steel gear to gear timing
[10:55:38] <pfred1> no fucking belts or chains
[10:55:46] <BeachBumPete> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YW3AeWvJUw My idea of IMSA
[10:56:14] <pfred1> solid lifters with moly rods and double over springs
[10:58:17] <MacGalempsy> pfred1: pic?
[10:59:17] <pfred1> http://i.imgur.com/Hh6FS3j.jpg
[11:00:19] <pfred1> those are real mags
[11:00:20] <MacGalempsy> nice. best part is its a wolf in sheeps cloth (meaning it looks old to the untrained eye)
[11:00:33] <pfred1> magneium alloy
[11:00:37] <pfred1> illegal
[11:00:45] <MacGalempsy> how do you keep those from corroding?
[11:00:49] <pfred1> they're light
[11:01:13] <pfred1> I've never heard of a corrosion problem with mags
[11:01:19] <pfred1> they usually blow up before then
[11:01:36] <MacGalempsy> brake fire = screwed
[11:01:49] <pfred1> I got like the last set of Bilstien shocks on that car too
[11:02:43] <pfred1> hek it's got a Momo steering wheel
[11:03:05] <pfred1> evrything but a supercharger
[11:03:14] <pfred1> I figure it don't need it
[11:04:35] <BeachBumPete> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdLkvEeg210 :)
[11:06:25] <gregcnc> https://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/tls/5978395688.html how long has that been outside?
[11:08:44] <archivist_> could have been in a damp shed over winter as well
[11:09:05] <archivist_> repairable, but must be cheaper
[11:10:05] <gregcnc> it's hard to see but I think there i an inch of water in the tray
[11:11:52] <SpeedEvil> archivist_: Well, the grass in the background in one of the photos argues for outdoors.
[11:12:10] <SpeedEvil> Unless they have indoor grass in chicago. I've never been.
[11:12:35] <archivist_> I have had stuff outdoors for years and got some shine back
[11:12:45] <SpeedEvil> Cast iron is magical
[11:13:24] <pfred1> SpeedEvil https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3f/QtubIronPillar.JPG/200px-QtubIronPillar.JPG
[11:13:28] <gregcnc> we had a lot of rain this winter
[11:13:43] <SpeedEvil> pfred1: AIUI that's regularly cleaned of corrosion
[11:13:43] <pfred1> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_pillar_of_Delhi
[11:14:06] <pfred1> they shot it with a cannonball once
[11:14:15] <pfred1> that probably knocked some of the rust off
[11:14:38] <archivist_> gregcnc, hey that suds in the tray :)
[11:14:58] <SpeedEvil> Lathe/bird-bath to annoy machinists with
[11:15:40] <gregcnc> machinist yard art/birdbath OK, but too rich for me
[11:15:40] <pfred1> that reminds me i need to go out and feed my little birds
[11:16:24] <SpeedEvil> yeah - not at that price
[11:23:57] <Holzwurm> Hello,on the left side is a list with names, some black some grey. Can someone tell me what this means? Thanks
[11:24:52] <archivist> on the left of what, lack of context
[11:25:04] <Roguish> Holzwurm: that's a list who's online at the moment
[11:25:43] <Holzwurm> Hello, what means the grey and the black color?
[11:25:56] <jthornton> gray is away
[11:29:12] <Gene_home> should I have my mesa I/O card installed prior to installing linuxcnc
[11:33:16] <jthornton> doesn't make any difference for installing the software, which card do you have?
[11:40:42] <jthornton> nap time
[11:43:01] <Roguish> jthornton: nap already? i'm dressing to go on a 20 mile easy coffee bike ride.....
[11:47:36] <Gene_home> 5i23 i think
[11:55:41] <gregcnc> I picked up an acculube from ebay. I thought the nozzle would be more interesting, but the oil line simply flops around in the air line
[12:07:22] <pfred1> acculube?
[12:07:41] <pfred1> did it come with a case of Astroglide?
[12:08:50] <pfred1> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mr0JCWGB1Ng
[12:09:20] <pfred1> The Cramps ~ Bend Over I'll Drive
[12:11:12] <pfred1> kicad sucks
[12:11:33] <pfred1> stuff is setting open source back 20 years I swear!
[12:12:21] <pfred1> I'm pretty clever and even I can't think of a way of defending it
[12:19:15] <IchGucksLive> hi
[12:21:14] <IchGucksLive> pfred1: use eagle
[12:22:27] <SpeedEvil> eagle is going subscription only :/
[12:22:54] <SpeedEvil> ^has gone
[12:23:33] <SpeedEvil> yow. Two layer limit for $15/mo
[12:24:42] <roycroft> i don't mind paying for software
[12:24:53] <roycroft> but i never have and never will pay for it on a subscription basis
[12:24:56] <IchGucksLive> SpeedEvil: http://www.autodesk.com/products/eagle/free-download
[12:25:52] <IchGucksLive> so cadsoft is overtaken by autodesk
[12:25:59] <IchGucksLive> what a miss
[12:28:56] <IchGucksLive> someone knowes where to get cheep hwin in europ
[12:29:42] <pfred1> Eagle sucks with old file support
[12:29:51] <IchGucksLive> agree
[12:30:07] <pfred1> it has been an ongoing issue with Eagle sice day 1
[12:30:56] <pfred1> yeah autodesk is pretty anti-Linux too
[12:31:18] <pfred1> I wouldn't be surprised to see eagle stop supporting LInux at some point
[12:31:44] <pfred1> in fact I'm surprised they haven't done that already
[12:32:16] <IchGucksLive> that will be the case in next update
[12:33:17] <pfred1> autodesk is the poster boy for evil closed source commercial software
[12:33:33] <pfred1> there's worse offenders but not bigger
[12:34:05] <pfred1> won't they be up the creek when Microsoft goes Linux?
[12:34:08] <archivist> M$ and win 10
[12:34:32] <pfred1> M$ is crumbling
[12:34:52] <pfred1> they're on the verge of pitching it all and running a Linux kernel themselves
[12:35:02] <pfred1> they've totally lost
[12:35:02] <archivist> as all large greedy companies crumble :)
[12:35:15] <roycroft> they've been stealing open source code for decades
[12:35:17] <pfred1> they know it and integraters know it too
[12:35:24] <IchGucksLive> things chane in the USA
[12:35:37] <IchGucksLive> so migration of linux is banned
[12:35:39] <pfred1> Linux totally outclasses M$ in performance in every way
[12:36:40] <pfred1> either that or M$ should just hire Linus
[12:36:55] <IchGucksLive> he woudend do it
[12:36:59] <gregcnc> no I got a good deal on the acculube actually been watching ebay for a while
[12:37:00] <pfred1> he could straighten them out
[12:37:11] <IchGucksLive> same as steve
[12:37:12] <pfred1> IchGucksLive offer him enugh money and he'd do it
[12:37:32] <IchGucksLive> i dont think so on that
[12:37:42] <pfred1> I'll ask him
[12:38:06] <pfred1> enough money and free reign on browbeating the devs and I bet he'd do it
[12:38:24] <andypugh> I am not sure that Linus _doesn’t_ work for Microsoft.
[12:38:38] <pfred1> he's got no problem with them
[12:39:22] <pfred1> it probably wouldn't even be a lot of money from Microsoft's perspective
[12:39:32] <pfred1> 10 maybe 20 mil a year
[12:40:02] <gregcnc> coffee time
[12:40:08] <andypugh> I have a friend who is a Linux Foundation Fellow, and I think he mentioned that he is largely paid by Microsoft.
[12:40:25] <pfred1> M$ is big into Linux for virtual machines
[12:40:27] <roycroft> linus was living in portland last i heard
[12:40:36] <roycroft> that's only a 2-1/2 hour drive from redmond
[12:40:52] <pfred1> yeah he'd still have to work from home in a bathrobe
[12:40:59] <pfred1> I doubt Linus would give that up
[12:41:14] <roycroft> i'm just saying it would be easy to go to meetings
[12:41:19] <roycroft> not that he would commute
[12:41:35] <pfred1> oh yeah he'd go there preiodically to personally insult folks face to face
[12:41:45] <pfred1> he does that now
[12:42:48] <roycroft> so i've read a couple threads that were seriously trashing the gecko 201 drive
[12:42:55] <roycroft> one guy said he blew up a dozen of them
[12:43:03] <roycroft> and the gecko kept blaming him
[12:43:09] <pfred1> yeah he's one guy that doesn't get electricity
[12:43:18] <roycroft> he said he replaced them with leadshine, and never had another problem
[12:43:26] <pfred1> gecko drives are good but they're not idiot proof
[12:43:34] <roycroft> and then one of the main folks at gecko admitted in another forum that the 201 was always a bitch
[12:43:38] <roycroft> and would blow up randomly
[12:43:46] <pfred1> hmmm
[12:43:49] <roycroft> i'm looking at the 201x
[12:43:55] <roycroft> which is not the 201
[12:44:19] <roycroft> and i well know that internet facts truly can be "alternative facts"
[12:44:20] <pfred1> if the drive really has problems I'm surprised gecko doesn't just discontinue them
[12:44:30] <roycroft> the 201 is disontinued
[12:44:35] <pfred1> mariss is a stand up kind of a guy
[12:44:46] <roycroft> that's the person who admitted the 201 was a problem
[12:44:48] <gregcnc> 201 is on the site
[12:44:48] <roycroft> mariss
[12:44:51] <roycroft> oh?
[12:44:56] <pfred1> mariss is gecko
[12:44:56] <IchGucksLive> Q Folkes can someone please Check sotial sides if there is a picture of the todays event at BBS Rodalben
[12:45:03] <roycroft> maybe he fixed them
[12:45:09] <pfred1> he designed it
[12:45:16] <IchGucksLive> cand belive there is not one picture from today in google
[12:45:24] <roycroft> there's a leadshine drive that i'm also looking at
[12:45:44] <roycroft> em705
[12:45:50] <roycroft> it's about the same price as the gecko
[12:46:01] <pfred1> leadshine is legit
[12:46:10] <roycroft> yes, i know that it's decent stuff
[12:46:14] <IchGucksLive> there are so many clones out
[12:46:20] <pfred1> either drive should give commercial performance
[12:46:27] <roycroft> that's a problem, ichguckslive
[12:46:35] <roycroft> there are counterfeit leadshines
[12:46:46] <gregcnc> my G320 died after 10 years, the 5V regs died
[12:46:47] <pfred1> counterfeit isn't always bad
[12:46:58] <roycroft> and that's a real case of "the price is too good to be true"
[12:47:05] <roycroft> it really is too good to be true
[12:47:24] <pfred1> but at the same time counterfeit is never as godo as the real thing either
[12:47:32] <IchGucksLive> if below 3A i tuned to the TB6600
[12:47:41] <pfred1> some counterfeit is definitely really bad too
[12:47:48] <IchGucksLive> at (USD
[12:47:49] <pfred1> yeah my Tb6600s kick ass
[12:47:52] <IchGucksLive> 8
[12:47:57] <roycroft> i'm looking at a gecko 201x for ~$130 or a leadshine em705 for ~$120
[12:48:01] <roycroft> so price is not a factor
[12:48:09] <pfred1> roycroft what kind of a machine?
[12:48:12] <roycroft> i'm not trying to get the cheapest thing i can
[12:48:14] <roycroft> x3 mill
[12:48:24] <pfred1> yeah you need the power there
[12:48:25] <roycroft> and i have a 48v ps for the drives
[12:48:35] <roycroft> so i'm looking at the 80v drives
[12:48:39] <pfred1> nema 34 motors?
[12:48:42] <roycroft> my ps puts out 52+v
[12:48:50] <roycroft> nema 23 for x and y, and nema 34 for z
[12:48:56] <andypugh> roycroft: I would larhgely choose based on continent. I don’t think I have ever seen a Gecko in Europe.
[12:48:58] <IchGucksLive> Nema24 4Nm
[12:48:58] <roycroft> that's what i'm thining now
[12:49:03] <roycroft> thinking
[12:49:06] <IchGucksLive> at 4.2A
[12:49:14] <IchGucksLive> 75V
[12:49:17] <pfred1> andypugh that's true too
[12:49:17] <roycroft> ~460 oz/in for x and y
[12:49:24] <IchGucksLive> leadshine 860
[12:49:28] <roycroft> ~640 oz/in for z
[12:49:37] <IchGucksLive> why Z more
[12:49:44] <pfred1> Z has to work
[12:49:45] <roycroft> gecko is too expensive in europe
[12:49:49] <gregcnc> gravity
[12:49:51] <roycroft> yes
[12:49:55] <roycroft> it'a heavy, man
[12:50:00] <pfred1> gonna gas shock assist Z ?
[12:50:10] <roycroft> i haven't decided yet
[12:50:16] <pfred1> most do with those
[12:50:18] <roycroft> i have the grizzly version
[12:50:25] <roycroft> that has no counterbalance or gas shock
[12:50:26] <IchGucksLive> cand belive it i use ever less on Z
[12:50:34] <pfred1> yeah they retrofit
[12:50:35] <IchGucksLive> and it workes great
[12:50:41] <roycroft> right
[12:50:58] <IchGucksLive> DM556 is best to go on performence
[12:51:01] <pfred1> they use like car door hatch gas shocks I think?
[12:51:08] <pfred1> like hatch shocks
[12:51:54] <andypugh> If you have compressed air then an actual pneumatic cylinder with a relieving regular is the best counterbalance as it is constant-force
[12:52:08] <pfred1> I think some tormachs are reworked X3s
[12:52:22] <andypugh> A weight and pulley doubles the moving mass, so limits acceleration.
[12:52:33] <pfred1> really for the price soem tormachs are a pretty good deal
[12:52:47] <pfred1> I htink their low end machines are about $4,000?
[12:53:01] <pfred1> turn key
[12:53:16] <andypugh> pfred1: Yes, the key is in the “reworked” part. A lump of iron is a lump of iron, to a large extent.
[12:53:21] <jdh> I don't think they are anything like X3, nor anywhere near $4k
[12:53:22] <roycroft> i do have air
[12:53:37] <roycroft> the mill mods are not going to be fun
[12:53:39] <pfred1> jdh they have a bunch of different machines
[12:53:44] <roycroft> i don't have access to a second mill
[12:53:44] <JT-Shop-2> andypugh: does fusion 360 have a linuxcnc post?
[12:53:53] <roycroft> so i'll have to machiene all the parts for the mill on the mill itself
[12:54:04] <andypugh> JT-Shop-2: Yes, but they call ie EMC
[12:55:09] <JT-Shop-2> ok, I just got it loaded this morning when I found out you didn't have to have the cloud turned on
[12:55:34] <JT-Shop-2> I've figured out how to make a part and a tool path but not how to export G code yet
[12:55:49] <gregcnc> how do you save you work?
[12:55:51] <JT-Shop-2> but I've only spent 45 minutes working with it
[12:55:51] <roycroft> if fusion 360 works offline it might be interesting
[12:56:14] <roycroft> if it only saves to the cloud i'll continue to be completely uninterested
[12:56:16] <andypugh> PCNC440 “starts at” $5000 and definitely isn’t an X3, the table is too deep.
[12:56:27] <JT-Shop-2> it saves on your PC, what the cloud is for say you work on something at home and save it to the cloud then go home you can work on it
[12:56:39] <roycroft> oh, that doesn't matter
[12:56:44] <roycroft> that's why we have rsync :)
[12:56:47] <pfred1> andypugh well on tormach's web site they admit their iron is from china
[12:56:49] <gregcnc> hmm it didn't use to do that
[12:57:07] <roycroft> not all chinese iron is an x3 :)
[12:57:19] <andypugh> pfred1: Doesn’t make it an X3 though, no more than it makes is an iPhone, or a noodle :-)
[12:57:22] <pfred1> roycroft yeah some's not as good
[12:57:52] <roycroft> are you saying, jt-shop-2, that fusion 360 can be used totally offline?
[12:58:11] <roycroft> if i install it and then disconnect the machine from the internet forever it will still work?
[12:59:05] <gregcnc> does anyone sell the CNC Seig machines yet?
[12:59:14] <roycroft> i use solidworks, but don't have any cam plugin for it, nor did we buy support for it, so i can't use the bundled one
[12:59:35] <gregcnc> HSMXpress
[12:59:38] <roycroft> i'd consider moving to fusion 360 if i don't have to do it online
[13:00:13] <andypugh> http://help.autodesk.com/view/fusion360/ENU/?guid=GUID-FCB6E122-1552-4434-AC4B-7B227AB31BAC
[13:01:10] <roycroft> so it's semi-crippled in offline mode
[13:01:27] <roycroft> they disable versioning
[13:02:40] <JT-Shop-2> roycroft: after 30 days you have to get a 1 year then once a year get on line to reup
[13:03:13] <roycroft> i might look into it some more
[13:03:41] <roycroft> i know it's popular, but autodesk could pull it at any time
[13:03:44] <roycroft> the free version, at least
[13:03:58] <pfred1> the free version really isn't free
[13:04:00] <roycroft> i've been burned in the past using software like that
[13:04:16] <roycroft> i'm not so concerned about not being able to build new projects
[13:04:30] <roycroft> but it would be pretty bad to have all my existing stuff stop working
[13:04:44] <pfred1> well can't you save the G Code?
[13:04:46] <roycroft> i have a lot of time to sort this all out
[13:04:58] <roycroft> it's going to be quite some time before my machine is converted
[13:05:12] <roycroft> and even then i'll probably be manually writing g-code for a while
[13:05:24] <pfred1> you'd have to export models in a portable format too
[13:05:31] <roycroft> yes, that's the thing
[13:05:40] <roycroft> and i don't know if fusion 360 can do that
[13:05:46] <roycroft> i don't know enough about it
[13:05:52] <pfred1> yeah me either I can't run fusion 360 at all
[13:06:02] <pfred1> I know they have 0 support for Linux
[13:06:04] <roycroft> if the models could be exported in some portable format it would be more appealing
[13:06:12] <roycroft> well i use macs for workstations
[13:06:22] <roycroft> and i have vmware fusion, so i can spin up a windows vm when necessary
[13:06:23] <pfred1> autodicks
[13:06:32] <roycroft> which is how i run autocad and solidworks, amongst other things
[13:07:20] <pfred1> I've seen teh autodesk CEO's play shop he has a real nice wter jet among other toys
[13:07:21] <roycroft> i have absolutely no problem with closed source/proprietary software
[13:07:52] <gregcnc> easy enough not to buy if you don't like it
[13:07:54] <roycroft> my only concern is honesty - that it does what it says it eoes
[13:08:05] <roycroft> and does not have hidden restrictions
[13:08:40] <roycroft> i'm about what works, and having enough information to evaluate things properly
[13:09:09] <gregcnc> everytime i start fusion it wants me to sign in, and update of course, but I rarely use it, just to look at something i'm involved in
[13:09:37] <roycroft> i think, for example (and will not engage in a debate about this today), that the gpl is more harmful than beneficial to the open source community, yet i do not boycott all gpl'ed code
[13:09:57] <roycroft> if i need something and the best solution has a gpl license i'll use it
[13:10:01] <pfred1> roycroft GPL V3 is pretty toxic but 2 is OK
[13:10:13] <roycroft> just as if i need something and the best solution is closed source i'll use it
[13:10:25] <pfred1> me too
[13:11:08] <pfred1> Linux never went to GPL V3
[13:11:29] * roycroft repeats that he's not going to engage on the gpl today
[13:11:30] <roycroft> :)
[13:11:49] <roycroft> i was just using it as an example, with proprietary as the counter-example
[13:12:02] <pfred1> Linux is the most successful software project of all time and it is GPL
[13:15:23] <roycroft> besides the cloud issue, fusion 360 is not parametric, and doesn't handle assemblies well
[13:16:22] <roycroft> if it could import .sldprt files, it might be a useful work flow to design in solidworks, import into fusion 360 and generate g-code from that
[13:17:01] <gregcnc> it does import SW files, iirc though sketches don't come through
[13:17:03] <roycroft> but as i said, i'm a long way away from needing cam software
[13:18:12] <roycroft> it took me a long time to get used to parametric modeling, having used 2d autocad for so many years, but once i did i could not imagine doing 3d models any other way
[13:19:13] <gregcnc> f me password requirements are getting out of hand
[13:19:46] <roycroft> let your password manager keep track of them for you
[13:20:20] <roycroft> my complaint about passwords on websites (almost always financial institutions) is not permitting pasting the password
[13:20:26] <roycroft> it's a "security" feature
[13:20:45] <gregcnc> i don't use one
[13:21:00] <roycroft> so instead of using a 17-character random password i use the shortest password that it allows
[13:21:16] <roycroft> and minimise the use of punctuation characters
[13:21:21] <roycroft> since i'm forced to type it
[13:21:27] <andypugh> roycroft: How do you mean “not parametric”? I model in Fusion exactly the same way as I do in Inventor
[13:21:45] <roycroft> i've not used it, andypugh
[13:22:00] <roycroft> but i've read in multiple places that it's not "true parametric"
[13:22:30] <andypugh> Draw a dimensione sketch, extrude and revolve, get a part.
[13:22:31] <roycroft> if you suggest otherwise i'll discount the other information i've read and perhaps try it out myself
[13:22:58] <andypugh> It also allows direct modelling, but you can certainly work paramterically.
[13:22:59] <roycroft> do you have to dimension as you go?
[13:23:26] <andypugh> It might not allow you to define paramters in an Excel file to control the model, I haven’t tried.
[13:23:30] <IchGucksLive> Gn8
[13:23:49] <roycroft> i should install it in a vm and play with it
[13:23:56] <andypugh> roycroft: Only if you want to. You can leave things free and still extrude them
[13:24:38] <gregcnc> I can't get used to the interface after a lifetime of SW
[13:25:09] <andypugh> I started 3D CAD with Autodesk Mechanical Desktop. That needed a sketch to be fully parameterised before you could use it. It would tell you how many constraints were needed. But not which lines lacked constraint. It was like a continuous logic puzzle.
[13:25:56] <roycroft> solidworks makes that easy
[13:26:05] <roycroft> if it's fully constrained, the line is black
[13:26:55] <roycroft> i tried 3d cad with autocad 2008 but found it infuriating
[13:27:14] <roycroft> that's why we ended up buying solidworks
[13:28:29] <roycroft> but honestly, whenever i start using some kind of cam software, i'll probably start out with 2d autocad drawings
[13:29:51] <roycroft> i was going to do the cnc conversion to my little mill years ago, but got sidetracked with other things
[13:30:09] <roycroft> i have some parts to make that need arc slots
[13:30:17] <roycroft> and was thinking about getting a rotary table for that
[13:30:36] <roycroft> and decided that perhaps i should just put that money into the cnc conversion instead
[13:30:43] <roycroft> that's how i got back onto the project
[13:31:08] <roycroft> but i'll be making pretty simple parts for a while, at least
[14:23:37] <jensor> when I trid to run latency test from configuration menu, I get Error: could not insert module /usr/realtime-3.4-9-rtai-686-pae/modules/rtai_hal.ko: File exists
[14:23:58] <jensor> How do I fix this?
[14:24:58] <jensor> Maybe I should just reboot?
[14:26:10] <pfred1> modprobe it
[14:26:13] <pfred1> this ain't windows
[14:26:25] <JT-Shop-2> I've seen that a couple times and just ran again
[14:26:53] <jensor> this was after I had done cd /usr/realtime*/testsuite/kern/latency ./run
[14:31:29] <JT-Shop-2> ah that might not have ended correctly
[14:32:10] <jensor> True
[14:32:55] <jensor> i changed to the directory then did ./run and it runs fine that way
[14:34:43] <jensor> however, now from a terminal i enter linuxcnc, get configuration menu and select latency test I get the error
[14:41:35] <jensor> I'll leave now for reboot and see if that fixes the problem
[14:46:14] <jensor_> Rebooting fixed that problem!
[14:54:03] <roycroft> has anyone here any experience with hubbard cnc, inc - ebay seller carolbrent?
[15:09:36] <jensor_> why am I timed out?
[15:21:28] <pfred1> jensor_ because you're an idler
[15:22:44] <jensor_> oh
[15:26:38] <MacGalempsy> jensor_: it happens with some wifi
[15:37:39] <jensor_> wifi? Do you mean the wifi here in the household?
[15:38:43] <jensor_> my household I mean.
[15:39:02] <jensor_> My environment.
[16:05:21] <Deejay> gn8
[16:38:35] <Computer_barf> for some reason , when I hit home all , the Z on the preview doesn't change to zero
[16:39:04] <Computer_barf> i tried rebooting and the behavior is continuing
[16:41:04] <JT-Shop> probl have an offset
[16:41:39] <Computer_barf> you mean like something loaded with a gcode file?
[16:41:49] <JT-Shop> yea
[16:43:17] <Computer_barf> reloaded linuxcnc, didnt load gcode , z still at 184.588, home all, z stays at the same number
[16:43:21] <pfred1> one of the downsides of Linux is rebooting usually doesn't fix stuff
[16:43:31] <JT-Shop> offsets are saved
[16:43:59] <JT-Shop> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/user/user-concepts.html#_when_you_are_lost
[16:45:03] <Computer_barf> nice that g-code snippet zero'd it out
[16:45:29] <pfred1> once I was lost but now I'm fuond
[16:45:41] <JT-Shop> when you write the manuals you know where to look :)
[16:45:46] <XXCoder> wasnt that a song?
[16:48:18] <Computer_barf> that was katy perrys "when you know where to look in the manual"
[16:54:15] <JT-Shop> wow fusion 360 saves the G code over your network to the machine!
[16:56:26] <XXCoder> interestunbg
[16:57:26] <gregcnc> that's convenient
[16:58:08] <gregcnc> but wouldn't any software as long as you machine was on the network?
[16:58:36] <XXCoder> if no network it'd be like magic heh
[17:12:18] <JT-Shop> not OneCNC
[17:15:17] <JT-Shop> hmm much better tool paths than OneCNC
[17:21:59] <yasnak> My machines read my mind and program/setup themselves
[17:22:04] <yasnak> LEL
[17:23:12] <roycroft> so your machines are as broken as your brain? :)
[17:23:28] <yasnak> Haha yes, thats why spindle uptime is like 2%
[17:23:33] <yasnak> damn you ;)
[17:25:34] * JT-Shop should go out the the new shop and clean up a bit instead of playing with Fusion 360
[17:26:26] <JT-Shop> or make some parts on the CHNC
[17:26:40] <roycroft> the shop is beckoning me as well
[17:26:53] <roycroft> i just got back from errands, and have been running the heater in the shop for a few hours
[17:26:58] <roycroft> it should be comfy by now
[17:27:15] <yasnak> My EDM chiller is my heater
[17:27:17] <yasnak> lol
[17:27:28] <JT-Shop> I burned 3 sticks in each shop this morning and nice and comfy now
[17:27:59] <roycroft> i can do a lot of things in the cold, but doing wiring when my hands are cold gets painful really fast
[17:28:31] <roycroft> fortunately it's almost spring
[17:29:04] <JT-Shop> yea, I'm the same way if my fingers are cold I do something to warm them up
[17:30:38] <JT-Shop> think I'll make some stops for the weld table
[17:33:01] <pfred1> another 2 months
[17:33:15] <pfred1> it hasn'
[17:33:27] <pfred1> it hasn't been that cold here this year
[17:34:59] <yasnak> I'm in Florida, its colder today. Might not even need AC on tonight
[17:36:20] <pfred1> florida smells funny in the winter
[17:37:15] <pfred1> then again florida can smell funny in the summer too
[17:37:31] <pfred1> by the orange processing plants is smells like fruit loops
[17:37:50] <pfred1> I still can't drink orange juice
[17:37:59] <yasnak> Yeah, I'm by the water. Used to live up north in a tiny town near UP, its day and night different
[17:38:24] <pfred1> I used to live in Walton Beach Florida
[17:38:32] <yasnak> Sarasota here
[17:39:37] <pfred1> is silver springs by sarasoda of wait the ringling museum is in sarasoda isn't it?
[17:40:00] <yasnak> yup
[17:40:07] <pfred1> you ever been there?
[17:40:20] <pfred1> they got some bitching art
[17:40:31] <yasnak> I've been outside. Not to anything in the exhibits
[17:40:39] <yasnak> Just moved down though so still getting to know my way around
[17:40:41] <pfred1> yeah you should go it is world class
[17:40:50] <pfred1> like paintings out of books
[17:41:17] <pfred1> I've been to like every tourist trap in florida
[17:41:39] <pfred1> the only place I'd go in florida now is key west
[17:42:26] <yasnak> Pulled the boat down there last year
[17:42:34] <yasnak> Don't think I'll do that trip again though haha
[17:42:35] <pfred1> disneyland for drunks!
[17:42:43] <yasnak> I want to take the key west express though
[17:42:51] <pfred1> yeah I drove it
[17:43:00] <pfred1> that bridge is crazy
[17:43:03] <yasnak> Towing a 36' yellowfin down there...it wasn't bad but a bit tight
[17:43:17] <pfred1> that water is shallow looking
[17:43:29] <pfred1> freaky blue
[17:43:53] <pfred1> my favorite beach in FL got wiped out by a hurricane in the 80s
[17:44:15] <pfred1> it used to be so nice but the hurricane tore up all the coral
[17:44:23] <yasnak> When I first came down my boss had a 74' viking
[17:44:45] <yasnak> We were going to do some offshore fishing but these sandbars heading out of the inner coastal always read 'local knowledge needed'
[17:45:05] <pfred1> water skier wasters
[17:45:16] <yasnak> aimed for the dark spots and made it out no prob, coming back in wasn't too bad either. but the channels themselves were actually pretty iffy
[17:45:40] <yasnak> i made room for a local tour boat and was like 10 ft from channel marker...depth sounder said 20ft or whatever
[17:45:58] <yasnak> totally cleaned the props up haha, just bogged down and chopped a ton of muck
[17:46:06] <pfred1> I walked out of sight of land once on the west coast
[17:46:16] <pfred1> the water was still only up to my knees
[17:46:44] <pfred1> not so good for swimming
[17:46:59] <yasnak> everglades area?
[17:47:06] <pfred1> nah the west coast
[17:47:16] <yasnak> family had a place on south marco, would happen there too
[17:47:36] <pfred1> lots of sting rays in the water too
[17:47:39] <pfred1> schools of them
[17:48:14] <yasnak> yeah
[17:48:37] <pfred1> I seen some stuff in the water in florida
[17:48:49] <pfred1> I seen fear in a shark's eye
[17:49:07] <pfred1> it was getting chased by a school of barcuda
[17:49:16] <yasnak> dang
[17:49:24] <yasnak> scuba?
[17:49:31] <yasnak> ever do spear fishing?
[17:49:32] <pfred1> snorkel
[17:49:40] <pfred1> I always went out armed
[17:49:40] <yasnak> brb, need to check machine
[17:49:53] <yasnak> guess thats better then no arms
[17:49:53] <yasnak> AHA
[17:50:08] <pfred1> knife and a hawaiian speer
[17:50:23] <pfred1> because some stuff out there ain't nice
[17:50:42] <pfred1> seen moray eels that can drag you down and hold you
[17:50:55] <pfred1> manta rays with a 12 foto wingspan
[17:51:15] <pfred1> sharks galore
[17:56:22] <yasnak> rays yeah
[17:56:34] <yasnak> had one take a jewfish i fought for 30mins
[17:56:40] <pfred1> you can look in their mouths and out their gills
[17:56:41] <yasnak> it was huge
[18:00:18] * JT-Shop hugs his mill G code generator
[18:02:07] <malcom2073> G01, because you're number 1
[18:02:29] <XXCoder> so are m01 lol
[18:02:36] <yasnak> was a comp-sci first, 0 will always be 1 :P
[18:03:52] <JT-Shop> looks like tomorrows chore is to clean the coolant tank on the CHNC
[18:05:04] <yasnak> better you than me :P
[18:05:08] <yasnak> coolant tank yay
[18:09:09] <JT-Shop> been putting that off for a few months
[18:09:24] <pfred1> rance rid
[18:18:42] <JT-Shop> just wrecked my parting tool...
[18:19:10] <XXCoder> aw
[18:21:07] <Computer_barf> bury it in your back yard. here lies little party.
[18:21:14] <Computer_barf> rip
[18:26:54] <roycroft> do a little dance
[18:26:56] <roycroft> dig a little hole
[18:27:00] <roycroft> dump out that tank
[18:27:03] <roycroft> dump out that tank
[18:28:26] <JT-Shop> at least I can replace the damaged parts without replacing the whole parting tool
[18:29:08] <JT-Shop> time for some Texas Red
[18:37:05] <pfred1> parting is such sweet sorrow
[19:06:24] <andypugh> JT-Shop: I was pretty annoyed when I borked my parting tool.
[19:08:28] <andypugh> It was a Horn RBK224. About £275 to replace, and I had machined a blank multifix holder specially for it. And I haven’t seen another on eBay since
[19:08:41] <andypugh> Rorry, RNK24
[19:08:57] <andypugh> I mean, sorry, RNK224
[19:09:02] <andypugh> Not that it matters
[19:14:17] <MacGalempsy> JT-Shop: when finishing up the tool change, is changeing tool change request to false required? or is it reset when the changed command is done?
[19:15:28] <andypugh> tool-change-request is an “out” pin. You can’t change it no matter how you try
[19:16:31] <MacGalempsy> ok. I was trying to figure out how to cancel the request once the tool change is finished
[19:18:48] <andypugh> set the “changed” pin, that’s an input.
[19:21:07] <MacGalempsy> ok.
[19:21:35] <MacGalempsy> does that changed input also change the requested tool # to the current tool number?
[19:21:50] <Kevin`> what unsets changed?
[19:22:04] <MacGalempsy> I think a new change request
[20:07:51] <MacGalempsy> if anyone is feeling bored and wants to check out this ladder program, I would be interested in your feedback. thanks! https://forum.linuxcnc.org/25-classicladder/32099-benchman-xt-20-tool-atc?start=10#86874
[20:30:48] <MacGalempsy> anyone making a mess yet?
[20:31:19] <BeachBumPete> heh I am
[20:31:19] <XXCoder> pdf file
[20:31:41] <XXCoder> looked at it but no idea how that stuff works so just said "cool" and moved on heh
[20:31:42] <MacGalempsy> fun. XXCoder you are reading my pdf file?
[20:31:45] <MacGalempsy> lol
[20:32:17] <MacGalempsy> it definitely takes some study, and trial and error
[20:32:31] <XXCoder> wild guess, UI for linuxcnc?
[20:32:57] <MacGalempsy> that is the tool changer program for my atc
[20:33:36] <MacGalempsy> at least an attempt. the card wont be back for a few more days, so I am putting in a full effort to get it up and running
[20:34:04] <XXCoder> cool :)
[20:34:17] <MacGalempsy> wow. just broke into a sweat with my bidirectional soup
[20:35:28] <BeachBumPete> http://i.imgur.com/Bh4YZQK.jpg Getting there... program is working well and the Picatinny rail profile is next...
[20:36:57] <MacGalempsy> BeachBumPete: looks great. do you use a fixture to bolt it into at this point?
[20:37:10] <BeachBumPete> no just vise work
[20:37:24] <MacGalempsy> how big is your table?
[20:37:41] <BeachBumPete> I have to set it at the specific droop angle the customer wants and then run the program after decking it at that angle
[20:37:53] <BeachBumPete> the table is huge but the travels are 20x20x20
[20:38:18] <MacGalempsy> you could be cranking those babies out in full production
[20:38:44] <BeachBumPete> for sure I could....if I had the orders.
[20:38:50] <BeachBumPete> This is a prototype
[20:39:27] <MacGalempsy> with the right fixture, you could pump out 9 at a time
[20:39:49] <BeachBumPete> easily
[20:40:14] <BeachBumPete> honestly once I get this prototype worked out and start making them I have some ideas for speeding it up a bit.
[20:40:23] <MacGalempsy> that is just with the g54-g59.3
[20:40:23] <BeachBumPete> I think this one is gonna look cool tho
[20:40:41] <MacGalempsy> any progress with the probe
[20:40:42] <MacGalempsy> ?
[20:41:00] <BeachBumPete> have not really had much chance to play with it yet.
[20:41:14] <BeachBumPete> working on this paid for prototype and another one right now
[20:41:30] <MacGalempsy> you may talk to wolf and see if he will hook you up with the arduino code
[20:41:46] <BeachBumPete> I don't have an arduino
[20:41:57] <pfred1> they're like $3
[20:41:57] <BeachBumPete> not sure how I am going to use it.
[20:42:17] <pfred1> well $5.24 if you need the USB programming cable
[20:42:25] <MacGalempsy> yeah. and that only needs one pin
[20:42:30] <BeachBumPete> I planned to play with it and see which pins do what and then see about how to implement it
[20:42:43] <BeachBumPete> really they are that cheap now?
[20:42:53] <pfred1> the counterfeit chineseo nes year
[20:43:02] <pfred1> the counterfeit chinese ones yeah
[20:43:11] <MacGalempsy> basically, to wire it into linuxcnc There is one signal pin, 2 power pins and 2 ground pins
[20:43:12] <pfred1> they work just as good
[20:43:16] <BeachBumPete> Oh they copied it huh
[20:43:26] <pfred1> long time ago
[20:43:34] <MacGalempsy> I just soldered the 2 powers together and the 2 grounds together and ended up with 3 pins
[20:43:35] <pfred1> go on like banggood or aliexpress
[20:43:40] <BeachBumPete> I don't see why you could not just power it and use an input really
[20:43:47] <_methods> better get them soon before the trade wars begin
[20:45:22] <MacGalempsy> heh. if the trade war begins, it may be worth starting to make them in the US
[20:45:30] <pfred1> I doubt it
[20:45:48] <pfred1> even at 300% the chinese still got us beat
[20:45:54] <MacGalempsy> yeah. even with 30% tariff, $3 to $3.90
[20:46:03] <MacGalempsy> even then too.
[20:46:14] <XXCoder> 10000% tariff heh
[20:46:22] <pfred1> that might work
[20:46:37] <MacGalempsy> whatever it takes to zero the trade deficit :)
[20:46:40] <pfred1> it is insane how cheap the stuff is from china
[20:47:03] <XXCoder> slaves do make stuff cheaply if low quality
[20:47:06] <XXCoder> yay slaves
[20:47:29] <MacGalempsy> I think a big difference will be when the subsidized shipping is confronted
[20:47:33] <pfred1> we had a pair of chinese girls at the board house I worked at they are gifted assembling electronics
[20:47:34] <_methods> yeah anything that comes from china.......except for fortune cookies 1000000%
[20:47:41] <_methods> gotta be yuuuge
[20:47:50] <_methods> everyone loves fortune cookies
[20:47:55] <MacGalempsy> lol
[20:48:01] <XXCoder> _methods: heh they would wrap everything in fortune cookies. cookie with cnc roputer inside it ;)
[20:48:02] <BeachBumPete> anyway
[20:48:28] <BeachBumPete> do you think the signal is weak or has a lot of bounce from it that way?
[20:49:13] <MacGalempsy> where is Wolf_
[20:49:41] <pfred1> I worked manufacturing in the US and there's no legitimate reason why stuff is as expensive as it is here other than company owners are greedy fucks
[20:49:49] <MacGalempsy> once you get it chucked up, put a dial indicator on the ruby and rotate the spindle. you will see what I mean
[20:50:08] <BeachBumPete> Oh I am sure
[20:50:16] <BeachBumPete> is this one not adjustable tho?
[20:50:20] <MacGalempsy> idk
[20:50:35] <MacGalempsy> never got the housing off. didnt want to scratch it to hell
[20:50:36] <BeachBumPete> I know most of the six ball kind are...
[20:50:46] <XXCoder> pfred1: companies can have HUGE overheat, like ceo with income 1,000 times larger than lowest paid employee in it
[20:50:49] <BeachBumPete> will have to play with it
[20:50:58] <XXCoder> *overhead
[20:51:03] <pfred1> XXCoder yeah they love their money
[20:51:06] <MacGalempsy> there were a few places online that would swap them out
[20:51:11] <MacGalempsy> for a fee ofcourse
[20:51:17] <BeachBumPete> of course
[20:51:28] <pfred1> I had a boss he'd go out on the weekend and burn $500 of fuel in his cigarette racer in an afternoon
[20:51:32] <BeachBumPete> let me have some time to monkey with it and see what I can do
[20:51:35] <XXCoder> pf recently one of critical drugs was increased 250% and ceo got increase from 2 million to 16 milluon annually
[20:52:08] <pfred1> just burning through the profits
[20:52:26] <BeachBumPete> OK this one gets 24 MOA droop
[20:53:57] <pfred1> XXCoder yeah but it's them union workers that make it so expensive to manufacture stuff here
[20:54:01] <MacGalempsy> its all about risk to reward.
[20:54:15] <XXCoder> we need unions though
[20:54:26] <XXCoder> make sure pay is fair, vacations so on
[20:54:31] <MacGalempsy> some unions, but government unions, why?
[20:54:34] <pfred1> I was being sarcastic
[20:54:47] <XXCoder> many of basic benefits we have, such as vacation and sick days is due to unions
[20:55:20] <pfred1> unions have like zero power today
[20:55:37] <XXCoder> sadly yeah
[20:56:17] <pfred1> the rank and file has to be ready to bust heads when it comes down to it
[20:56:38] <XXCoder> company I work for has no sick days unfortunately
[20:56:43] <XXCoder> but great benefits otherwise
[20:56:46] <pfred1> people ain't that way anymore though
[20:57:15] <pfred1> people used to get killed in union actions
[20:57:39] <pfred1> like the coal mine strikes
[20:57:44] <pfred1> they used snipers
[20:58:10] <XXCoder> geez
[20:58:17] <pfred1> see a scab driving a truck they'd shoot him
[20:58:40] <pfred1> hey it's your life or theirs
[21:05:32] <MacGalempsy> hmmm
[21:06:46] <MacGalempsy> never worked in a union job, so not sure
[21:09:04] <XXCoder> me either
[21:21:35] <MacGalempsy> i do recall working for a city in Ca that had a union steward. he did not get paid any extra, but he had to make lists of how much everyone made. I asked him how many people were in the union, he said like 50000 and each one paid over $100/mo. I also asked him how many people ran it in the main office. he said 7 lawyers.
[21:23:43] <XXCoder> geez
[21:23:57] <XXCoder> thats half million
[21:24:00] <XXCoder> a month
[21:45:00] * jdh hands out an extra 0
[21:45:18] <XXCoder> thanks my keyboard ran out of extra 0 ;)\
[21:45:55] <MacGalempsy> with numbers like that, its hard to pick out who is the greedy bastard.
[21:46:37] <XXCoder> indeed
[21:46:48] <XXCoder> do those lawyers do anything?
[21:46:55] <elmo40> they need to save that money for strike pay.
[21:47:00] <pfred1> they lawyer around
[21:47:25] <MacGalempsy> not sure. one guy got a dui and the city fired him, he went to the union and they told him he would be better off hiring his own lawyer
[21:47:26] <elmo40> they drag the system longer than it should be because they charge by the minute...
[21:47:33] <pfred1> I never got paid to strike
[21:48:02] <XXCoder> geez
[21:48:05] <elmo40> pfred1: you were in a union ? was it a 'legal' strike? There is criteria that dictates this stuff
[21:48:28] <pfred1> elmo40 we walked out plus I picketed jobs
[21:48:40] <MacGalempsy> I guess its hard to beat up scabs when the jobs just move to another country
[21:48:58] <MacGalempsy> how are you going to explain that to the federales?
[21:49:00] <elmo40> walk-out is not a legal strike. if you voted against a deal and you then went on strike then it is a 'legal' strike.
[21:49:09] <roycroft> the thing that people don't understand is that manufacturing jobs have not moved to other countries
[21:49:14] <roycroft> we manufacture more than ever in this country
[21:49:20] <pfred1> my steward just told us all t owak out
[21:49:21] <roycroft> the manufacturing jobs have moved to robots
[21:49:36] <XXCoder> roy thats why more and more countries is trying basic income
[21:49:41] <pfred1> we were only out for about a half a day
[21:49:45] <XXCoder> because if robots take all how they need to live
[21:49:53] <MacGalempsy> true. unions probably hate robots, unless its one robot per person to operate
[21:52:40] <roycroft> trump can't create any manufacturing jobs
[21:52:49] <roycroft> any companies he coerces to come back to the us
[21:52:58] <roycroft> and any companies he coerces not to move out of the country
[21:53:00] <pfred1> I'll say this for the time we qwlked out i got to see a clown leek out of his Mercede 500 SEL and try to cry poverty and that was funny
[21:53:06] <elmo40> the mantra of the robot was to reduce personal labour by having the machine make the parts (faster and more consistent) The human is still needed (programming/operation/maintenance).
[21:53:07] <roycroft> are just going to automate their plants in the us
[21:53:22] <roycroft> and that's great, elmo40
[21:53:23] <XXCoder> roy still klaugh on one company take big tax break to keep in usa and as soon as they accept.. off to mexico
[21:53:32] <roycroft> except for the people who don't want to be retrained
[21:53:51] <elmo40> survival to the people who adapt.
[21:53:55] <roycroft> we have a demographic who do not want to grow and learn
[21:54:03] <roycroft> they want their old jobs back
[21:54:11] <roycroft> their old jobs are gone forever
[21:54:15] <elmo40> then they die off. Darwin's Theory
[21:54:20] <roycroft> i'm not a clinton supporter
[21:54:22] <roycroft> not at all
[21:54:39] <roycroft> but i understood what she was saying when she talked to the coal miners
[22:05:31] <MacGalempsy> we will see when the EPA gets cut down to minimal personnel
[22:05:33] <pfred1> mexico will pay for it
[22:05:34] <XXCoder> it will probably be gold with TRUMP across it each mile
[22:05:35] <roycroft> our problems are complex
[22:05:40] <XXCoder> pfred1: yeah sure totally
[22:05:41] <elmo40> roycroft: you do? Why spend more money on useless solar when clean coal is a fraction of the cost to produce and maintain? Where do you think the materials for solar panels comes from??? Mines. Then to process it all into beautiful panels? Not the cleanest method in the world! Entire life-cycle of a product needs to be looked at, not simply how it is at the end user.
[22:05:44] <roycroft> and cannot be solves 140 characters at a time
[22:05:54] <roycroft> because it's not, elmo40
[22:06:03] <pfred1> XXCoder either that or we'll just not trade with them
[22:06:17] <XXCoder> pfred1: you understate how much we depend on mexico.
[22:06:18] <pfred1> XXCoder what will cost htem a lot more
[22:06:29] <pfred1> they need us a lot more than we need them
[22:06:32] <malcom2073> Mexico builds most of our electronics atm
[22:06:53] <XXCoder> even if 20% import ta would hurt usa business. and guess what? 20% import tax? thats where usa citzens pay not mexico
[22:06:54] <pfred1> well bring them electronics jobs back
[22:07:09] <roycroft> that won't happen
[22:08:10] <XXCoder> heh still remember that guy talking about obamacare being bad and loving aca
[22:08:14] <pfred1> XXCoder it wuoldn't be an import tax it would he a total shut down
[22:08:24] <XXCoder> no, 20% tax last I read
[22:08:44] <pfred1> that's on all imports
[22:08:47] <roycroft> which means most of your food will go up 20% in price
[22:08:57] <XXCoder> roy yep and who pays? us.
[22:08:58] <pfred1> we can grow food in the USA
[22:09:00] <XXCoder> not mexico
[22:09:07] <roycroft> no we can't
[22:09:08] <XXCoder> mexico will just see less exports
[22:09:14] <roycroft> we're kicking out all the people who work on the farms
[22:09:20] <MacGalempsy> mexico will lose out and take less money. the us consumer will still pay the same rate
[22:09:23] <pfred1> roycroft we have 80% of the world's arable land
[22:09:31] <malcom2073> #poltiicalcnc
[22:09:37] <pfred1> so yeah I think we an grow some food here
[22:09:53] <Tom_itx> funny thing about the wall... mexico has a southern border wall
[22:10:02] <XXCoder> its fine anyway
[22:10:13] <XXCoder> we will have new tourist spots along the golden Trump wall
[22:10:16] <MacGalempsy> malcom2073:no kidding. its great to see the libs lose it
[22:10:22] <XXCoder> and visit nice mexican tunnels
[22:10:25] <malcom2073> no, it's not. It's not great to see anyone lose it.
[22:10:35] <roycroft> what "libs"?
[22:10:45] <roycroft> clinton is a right-leaning centrit
[22:10:49] <MacGalempsy> all of them
[22:10:49] <roycroft> centrist
[22:10:56] <XXCoder> heh clinton is classical republican
[22:11:00] <roycroft> as is the democratic party
[22:11:07] <XXCoder> she would fit injust fine in 1940s 50s
[22:11:15] <roycroft> yes, clinton is more aligned with eisenhower than classic liberals
[22:11:18] <XXCoder> republicans isnt even conservite now
[22:11:24] <roycroft> both of the clintons
[22:11:26] <XXCoder> authorian
[22:11:37] <roycroft> republicans are just insane and power hungry
[22:11:46] <roycroft> they have lost their ideology
[22:11:53] <roycroft> all they want is to be in control
[22:11:55] <Tom_itx> she wouldn't have made it during proibition
[22:12:09] <MacGalempsy> they all do, its not just repubs
[22:12:23] <MacGalempsy> they all want to tell you what you can and cannot do.
[22:12:24] <XXCoder> roy I read one book and author happened to be classical republican, and author tract in it was... reasonable compared to nowdays
[22:12:30] <roycroft> nobody in washington wants to do anything for the american people
[22:12:32] <XXCoder> fair pay, union supported, so on
[22:12:34] <roycroft> especially not the new president
[22:12:47] <XXCoder> MacGalempsy: exactly. authorian republicans
[22:13:04] <roycroft> i've had it with all of them
[22:13:07] * Tom_itx would swear he walked into #politics
[22:13:12] <_methods> hehe
[22:13:13] <pfred1> roycroft ask not what your country can do for you; but what you can do for your country.
[22:13:20] <roycroft> what's really sad, though, is that i understand why a lot of people voted for trump
[22:13:28] <roycroft> but they voted for the wrong office
[22:13:30] <MacGalempsy> authoritarian republicans, facist democrats, at the end of they day they both take your money
[22:13:36] <roycroft> the congress was the cause of their problems, not the president
[22:13:41] <XXCoder> I cringed when he mocked that disabled reporter
[22:13:45] <roycroft> and the congress has been for decades
[22:13:49] <_methods> cutting off your nose to spite your face is never a bad reason
[22:13:52] <roycroft> yet they keep voting in their reps and senators
[22:13:56] <MacGalempsy> why? you have never made a retard joke?
[22:14:01] <XXCoder> MacGalempsy: nope.
[22:14:05] <roycroft> and thinking that changing presidents will fix things
[22:14:19] <roycroft> that was a singularly disqualifying moment
[22:14:26] <roycroft> the mocking of the reporter
[22:14:55] <XXCoder> roy he kept bombing his own side and he went all way
[22:15:07] <pfred1> they shuld have gotten Stuttering John out of retirement to interview Trump
[22:15:43] <XXCoder> heh I read news about interpeters having REAL hard time interpeting him
[22:15:56] <MacGalempsy> the best part is Trump has been following thru with the stuff he said he was going to do, so it shouldnt be a surprise to anyone
[22:16:06] <XXCoder> and there was so many diappointed deaf voters when there was no interpeter at ingration
[22:16:07] <roycroft> no he hasn't
[22:16:14] <XXCoder> so many angry deaf people.
[22:16:14] <roycroft> he's been doing a lot of things
[22:16:18] <roycroft> but none of them are doing anything
[22:16:21] <MacGalempsy> i guess you havent been following the news this week
[22:16:26] <Tom_itx> the unions seem to like what he's up to
[22:16:39] <XXCoder> well lets see what happens
[22:16:45] <XXCoder> week one after all
[22:17:08] <pfred1> at the rate he's going he'll be dead in a week
[22:17:15] <pfred1> well a month
[22:17:15] <roycroft> paul ryan says now tha the doesn't care who pays for the wall
[22:17:19] <Tom_itx> at least he's not off spending our money on vacations yet
[22:17:22] <XXCoder> if he dies, I hope pence dies first
[22:17:24] <roycroft> mexico paying for it is going to disappear
[22:17:31] <roycroft> you would want president ryan?
[22:17:32] <XXCoder> white fucking power
[22:17:37] <Tom_itx> roycroft, don't be so sure
[22:17:40] <XXCoder> ryan isnt much better
[22:17:49] <Tom_itx> sure it pissed them off...
[22:17:54] <MacGalempsy> nah. a 30% tax on re-emmissions to mexico will pay for the wall in a little over a year
[22:17:55] <BeachBumPete> XXCoder REALLY?
[22:18:15] <roycroft> first of all, it's not a "tax"
[22:18:33] <XXCoder> beach well yes, pence is white srementcis (damn cant spell)
[22:18:38] <roycroft> it's a tariff
[22:18:47] <roycroft> "tax" makes it seem like mexico will be paying the 20%
[22:19:03] <XXCoder> ah yes tariff
[22:19:06] <roycroft> "tariff", which is the word an honest person would use, makes it clear that the us consumer will be paying it
[22:19:10] <XXCoder> been using "tax" word which is wrong
[22:19:22] <roycroft> a 20% tariff means the price of everything from mexico will go up 20%
[22:19:22] <pfred1> roycroft as well they should
[22:19:39] <roycroft> that's fine
[22:19:40] <XXCoder> mexico isnt paying if tariff indeed
[22:19:45] <roycroft> i guess you're rich
[22:19:49] <BeachBumPete> Pence is probably the first honest and genuine politician we have seen in a long time and it disgusts me that you had the audacity to say you would like to see either of them killed.
[22:19:50] <XXCoder> its usa citzens who buy products that do.
[22:19:54] <MacGalempsy> a tariff is a tax. by definition
[22:19:59] <roycroft> i just had to cancel my health insurance
[22:20:07] <roycroft> it's been 30 years since i've been without it
[22:20:11] <roycroft> but i can't afford it
[22:20:42] <_methods> don't worry trump is going to cover everyone now
[22:20:47] <XXCoder> BeachBumPete: never said about honestity and such, just that he prefers other races to be dead.
[22:20:49] <roycroft> please don't drive the cost of my food up 20% as well just because some racist assholes want to try to make this a pure whit nation
[22:20:55] <roycroft> white
[22:20:56] <malcom2073> What's funny, is people think that healthcare costs will go down. It's a one way street, costs won't go down, but benefits certainly will
[22:21:15] <roycroft> i'm very very pissed off about obamacare and what it's done
[22:21:22] <roycroft> but it's still better than what will replace it
[22:21:37] <MacGalempsy> ok. Product A is made in Mexico. Product B is made in USA. Product A gets a 30% tarriff, Product B does not. Do you think if Product B is 30% cheaper that anyone will buy Product A?
[22:21:39] <XXCoder> its also better than before. I wouldnt be ever eligiable before.
[22:21:40] <Tom_itx> roycroft, nobody said they wanted it pure white... just legal
[22:21:53] <roycroft> bullshit
[22:22:14] <_methods> haha that's the great thing about life, your only consolation is that it will only get worse
[22:22:14] <roycroft> i don't buy that for one nanosecond
[22:22:17] <pfred1> roycroft renounce your citizenship then healthcare will be free for you too
[22:22:36] <malcom2073> _methods: +1, though my life has been getting better every year, so I intend to continue that streak :-P
[22:22:52] <XXCoder> free health care https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/91/49/42/9149424298d335a5f3141e59c20ab9ce.jpg
[22:23:06] <roycroft> i'm about to say things that i don't want to say, and that will probably cost me the ability to be here in the future
[22:23:09] <roycroft> so i'm going to go away now
[22:24:12] <pfred1> I worked with illegals in construction and those people are kind of messed up
[22:24:25] <pfred1> they're not like Americans
[22:24:26] <MacGalempsy> if we would have just stayed with linuxcnc talk, all of our heartrates would be 20bpm lower
[22:24:31] <BeachBumPete> whats messed up is people hiring illegals everywhere...
[22:24:44] <Tom_itx> MacGalempsy, mine's still normal :D
[22:24:46] <XXCoder> farming desperately need workers
[22:24:48] <pfred1> heck they didn't even know what glass was
[22:24:57] <XXCoder> no illegals no food basucally which sucks
[22:25:00] <_methods> i don't want a bunch of god damn white people workin at my mexican restaurant
[22:25:01] <_methods> wtf
[22:25:03] <malcom2073> I've worked with (insert derogeratory intending descriptor) people in (insert job), and those people are kind of messed up.
[22:25:05] <BeachBumPete> Oh and ONLY illegals can do farm work
[22:25:13] <malcom2073> Works for most everything
[22:25:14] <MacGalempsy> now say 20 hail servos and read a section of the HAL manual
[22:25:16] <_methods> white people burritos suck
[22:25:23] <pfred1> _methods we have legal mexican-Americans
[22:25:25] <XXCoder> beach yes. people dont want to be paid very cheap outside hours
[22:25:32] <XXCoder> *for
[22:25:34] <BeachBumPete> BULLSHIT I make a damn good burrito
[22:25:42] <_methods> jajhaj
[22:25:44] <malcom2073> BeachBumPete: Make me a burrito!
[22:25:46] <XXCoder> burrito is american invention
[22:25:48] * MacGalempsy makes great mexican food
[22:25:48] <malcom2073> sudo make me a burrito?
[22:25:49] <pfred1> I love my burritos
[22:25:51] <_methods> fuckin fla burrito
[22:26:00] <BeachBumPete> best kind there is
[22:26:10] <_methods> lick my burrito
[22:26:12] * XXCoder misses his stepdad
[22:26:20] <MacGalempsy> I kind of like traditional south american food, all the sauces are great
[22:26:25] <XXCoder> now he made damn good mexican food
[22:26:26] <BeachBumPete> was he deported?
[22:26:35] <pfred1> the package doesn't call for it but I put a can of tomato sauce in mine
[22:26:37] <XXCoder> BeachBumPete: yeah from life. hes dead for last 15 years
[22:26:48] <_methods> well that's one way out
[22:27:01] <_methods> wrapped that last burrito
[22:27:12] <XXCoder> wait no 15 years is my dad, step dad 20+ years. damn times so fast
[22:27:13] <_methods> off to the chalupa in the sky
[22:27:17] <malcom2073> I want some tacos now
[22:27:25] <_methods> hahahah
[22:27:30] <_methods> tacos and healthcare
[22:27:37] <_methods> this is one comprehensive discussion
[22:27:43] <malcom2073> I get free healthcare finally, new job :-D
[22:27:47] <pfred1> I made some kick ass pizza this afternoon
[22:27:48] <XXCoder> hardly :P
[22:28:03] <MacGalempsy> no monthly fee? thats great
[22:28:04] <pfred1> can't get good pizza where i live now
[22:28:05] <malcom2073> "I switched to job-care and saved $30,000"
[22:28:16] <malcom2073> MacGalempsy: yeah, they pay deductable
[22:28:17] <_methods> you need some illegal italians
[22:28:24] <_methods> they make great pizza
[22:28:29] <MacGalempsy> mine is still like $700 for both of us
[22:28:31] <BeachBumPete> Italians will be legals
[22:28:31] <malcom2073> _methods: greek
[22:28:35] <XXCoder> one very good italian nearby
[22:28:39] <pfred1> _methods the Italians don't want to work in pizzareas anymore
[22:28:40] <_methods> heheh
[22:28:45] <_methods> lazy wops
[22:28:45] <pfred1> they're all real illegals
[22:28:46] <XXCoder> good india good literally cross street from home
[22:28:48] <malcom2073> MacGalempsy: I paid $30k in health stuff last year. Well.. .I was *supposed* to pay
[22:28:59] <malcom2073> The collectors agree
[22:29:00] <MacGalempsy> damn. thats nuts
[22:29:16] <MacGalempsy> what we make off the rentals just about covers our healthcare
[22:30:23] <MacGalempsy> cant wait until the mandatory mandate ends. I will cancel mine and go to a catostrophic plan
[22:30:47] <BeachBumPete> the MANDATE was utter bullshit
[22:30:54] <malcom2073> I think most everyone agrees with that
[22:30:57] <BeachBumPete> actually unconstitutional
[22:31:21] <XXCoder> what point in constitution does it violate?
[22:31:24] <BeachBumPete> much like most of what Obama had done I am glad he is gone
[22:31:44] <MacGalempsy> i would love to know what kind of blackmail they had on the chief justice to make him support that
[22:32:00] <BeachBumPete> lemme guess you LIKE having to be forced to buy something you do not want
[22:32:11] <XXCoder> that does not answer my question.
[22:32:14] <malcom2073> BeachBumPete: Like taxes?
[22:32:15] <Tom_itx> or get fined if you don't
[22:32:16] <BeachBumPete> it sure does
[22:32:17] <pfred1> BeachBumPete Obama was the greatest salesman to ever hold office
[22:32:28] * malcom2073 drops a taxation is theft sticker and runs
[22:32:29] <pfred1> he sold more guns and insurance than anyone else ever did
[22:32:30] <XXCoder> you keep saying it does but what part?
[22:32:38] <BeachBumPete> Obama was a complete and utter disaster for our country in a myriad of ways
[22:33:43] <MacGalempsy> not going to dive into the arguement in here, but I just hate paying taxes
[22:33:55] <Tom_itx> agreed
[22:33:58] <BeachBumPete> nevermind the fact that he divided us along racial and economic lines like no President I can recall
[22:34:08] <XXCoder> how?
[22:34:09] <MacGalempsy> I think we should push for a tax rebate for cnc machines
[22:34:14] <_methods> and he'll go down in history like abe lincoln
[22:34:16] <BeachBumPete> HOW???
[22:34:19] <_methods> greatest president ever
[22:34:21] <XXCoder> yep how?
[22:34:25] <_methods> just like slick willy
[22:34:31] <BeachBumPete> you don't like in US do you
[22:34:34] * MacGalempsy is rolling on the floor with the HOW question.
[22:34:40] <XXCoder> that does not answer my question
[22:34:47] <BeachBumPete> screw your question
[22:34:51] <XXCoder> okay
[22:35:04] <_methods> damn it's saucy up dis bitch tonight
[22:35:11] <MacGalempsy> haha
[22:35:19] <_methods> i need to stay up late more for this shiznit
[22:35:26] <pfred1> heh
[22:35:39] <BeachBumPete> I honestly dislike discussing political things in here
[22:35:41] <XXCoder> so, so far, violation of unknown entry in constituton, and undefined method of division
[22:35:55] <BeachBumPete> because I can see that I am most likely in a minority in my views
[22:35:57] <XXCoder> compelling arguments so far.
[22:36:07] <MacGalempsy> nah. you arent the only one
[22:36:09] <BeachBumPete> I need not compel you into anything
[22:36:12] <_methods> seems pretty much evenly divided
[22:36:16] <BeachBumPete> you are welcome to remain ignorant
[22:36:28] <MacGalempsy> its just hard to find the energy to argue sometimes
[22:36:29] <_methods> which is making it especially saucy heheh
[22:36:30] <pfred1> trump froze govrnment hiring
[22:36:43] <MacGalempsy> yeah. for a while
[22:36:49] <XXCoder> I'm ignorant. interesting
[22:36:52] <BeachBumPete> yup
[22:36:58] <MacGalempsy> actually he is highering 5000 border patrol agents
[22:37:04] <malcom2073> calling someone ignorant rather than informing them is pretty counter productive
[22:37:05] <XXCoder> 15,000 actually
[22:37:17] <XXCoder> or was it 16,000?
[22:37:32] <BeachBumPete> it sure is but I don't have the energy or time to display why I feel the way I do nor do I feel like it.
[22:37:36] <MacGalempsy> I read the executive order at it said there 5000
[22:38:10] <XXCoder> ah combine of 5,000 borders and 10,000 immgration and customs
[22:38:23] <BeachBumPete> its a good start
[22:38:25] <CaptHindsight> anyone have a good source for ductless HVAC units? https://www.minisplitwarehouse.com/category/60000_btu_mini_split_prices
[22:38:29] <MacGalempsy> i never saw the 10000 number in the e.o.
[22:38:39] <MacGalempsy> but anyways, its not a total freeze
[22:39:04] <XXCoder> whatever numbers it will be a nice start to sturmabteilung
[22:39:27] <MacGalempsy> so before everyone gets all crazy, lets hear about how some lcnc projects are goin
[22:39:46] <BeachBumPete> shove that Nazi BS
[22:39:53] <_methods> one last battery to charge and its off to bed
[22:40:21] <MacGalempsy> I will say, I am impressed with PCW repair turn around, he had my board one day and got it back in the mail friday.
[22:40:31] <_methods> damn
[22:40:46] <_methods> thats fast
[22:40:49] <MacGalempsy> yeah, hes da man
[22:40:57] <XXCoder> fast indeed
[22:41:41] <MacGalempsy> so, tomorrow, Im going to run a few sensor tests, to finalize all the working i/o on my machine.
[22:42:08] <BeachBumPete> I managed to finish the final machining operation on my prototype just now.
[22:42:35] <MacGalempsy> there is a hall effect detector on the power drawbar that im not sure works. I might have had it wired wrong, or maybe the magnet came unadhered
[22:43:09] <pfred1> I made a file with kicad that I can process into G code
[22:43:54] <BeachBumPete> has not been deburred or brush finished yet but this is straight off the machine... http://i.imgur.com/TfBCmUM.jpg
[22:44:04] <MacGalempsy> if you look at rung 31 on my classicladder program, you will see its needed to show the pdb is open https://forum.linuxcnc.org/25-classicladder/32099-benchman-xt-20-tool-atc?start=10#86874
[22:44:05] <XXCoder> very neat finish
[22:44:16] <XXCoder> had worse finishes off $5 million machines heh
[22:44:21] <MacGalempsy> that light makes it look golden
[22:44:21] <_methods> is kicad the eagle replacement now?
[22:44:29] <_methods> since autodesk has douched up eagle
[22:44:38] <pfred1> _methods well
[22:44:40] <BeachBumPete> sorry the flash went off
[22:44:44] <XXCoder> weird. BeachBumPete your chamfers has lips onit
[22:44:53] <MacGalempsy> BeachBumPete: you need a sweet logo to engrave on there
[22:44:54] <XXCoder> cutting too hard?
[22:45:07] <pfred1> it kind of does the same thing but it is a lot different
[22:45:27] <BeachBumPete> yeah they do but I plunged a six flute because it is quicker they clean up with the brush finishing
[22:45:28] <_methods> yeah but i was just wondering if that is what everyone is migrating too
[22:45:37] <_methods> or are people stickin with eagle?
[22:45:40] <pfred1> I built it from source and put the libraries i na non-standard location and it was pretty hard to setup
[22:45:44] <_methods> seems like a bit of an exodus going on
[22:45:53] <BeachBumPete> MacGalempsy I actually have one and it was in the design this time but I forgot to program it :)
[22:45:53] <XXCoder> from eagle cam? why?
[22:45:57] <pfred1> I'm fairly computer savvy too
[22:46:18] <BeachBumPete> Its just a little A&N
[22:46:36] <MacGalempsy> American & Naked?
[22:47:01] <XXCoder> ass and nitro
[22:47:42] <BeachBumPete> http://i.imgur.com/GJyic3i.jpg
[22:47:49] <BeachBumPete> actually it is my company name
[22:48:01] <MacGalempsy> Armed & NAsty?
[22:48:03] <BeachBumPete> and the letters are the first initials of my two daughters
[22:48:10] <BeachBumPete> Angelina and Natalie
[22:48:16] <MacGalempsy> awwww
[22:48:18] <XXCoder> makes some of previous jokes awkward
[22:48:19] <BeachBumPete> because they are why I am doing this
[22:48:22] <XXCoder> and nice :)
[22:48:23] <_methods> nice glasses dork
[22:48:30] <BeachBumPete> yup
[22:48:34] <_methods> hehe
[22:48:49] <BeachBumPete> gettin blind in my old age here 46 this year
[22:48:55] <_methods> me too damnit
[22:48:59] <pfred1> me 3
[22:49:12] <MacGalempsy> it happens. sell a few more risers and get lasik
[22:49:13] <pfred1> I can't see crap if it is within arms reach
[22:49:13] <_methods> i have to wear the damn things most of the time now
[22:49:16] <XXCoder> like million of ither minor problems I have, I just have minor rx for glasses
[22:49:38] <XXCoder> its just reading glasses but combined with muscle related issue I have to wear it all day everyday
[22:49:48] <_methods> i have all these visor glass things laying all over the shop
[22:49:51] <BeachBumPete> I can see okay but up close like reading mics and calipers etc is kinda hard without them
[22:49:53] <_methods> i have to use them and glasses now
[22:50:04] <MacGalempsy> i had PRK at 30 and it was the best money I ever spent. I wore glasses for 20 years and hated not having cool shades, or being able to see in a scuba mask
[22:50:12] <Tom_itx> _methods, if i do anything i just use an old ver of eagle
[22:50:19] <BeachBumPete> prk
[22:50:20] <_methods> Tom_itx: kk
[22:50:26] <Tom_itx> still works fine
[22:50:32] <_methods> i have some older eagle versions
[22:50:39] <XXCoder> Tom_itx: whats wrong with newers?
[22:50:44] <MacGalempsy> PRK is like lasik, but they just shoot thru the lens
[22:50:45] <pfred1> I've used Eagle for years
[22:50:54] <BeachBumPete> do you guys think that rail looks cool or what is your honest opinion of it?
[22:51:05] <_methods> i guess i'll wait until this autodesk eagle dust settles before i move on
[22:51:18] <Tom_itx> XXCoder autodesk got ahold of it
[22:51:25] <pfred1> yeah kicad is getting better version 5 is supposed to have improvements
[22:51:33] <MacGalempsy> the craftsmanship looks good, but honestly, I would like to see it mounted on a rifle.
[22:51:34] <XXCoder> interesting
[22:51:37] <_methods> BeachBumPete: it looks great as usual man
[22:51:46] <BeachBumPete> honestly?
[22:51:50] <Tom_itx> _methods, i still use 4.16
[22:52:00] <MacGalempsy> its like you ask how a pair of shoe look without trying them on
[22:52:03] <BeachBumPete> MacGalempsy I would like to see it mounted on a rifle as well
[22:52:03] <pfred1> eagle 4.16?
[22:52:04] <Tom_itx> i have newer ones but use that for myself
[22:52:06] <_methods> Tom_itx: not sure what version i have i'll have to check
[22:52:11] <Tom_itx> pfred1, yes
[22:52:19] <pfred1> heck even i got 5.12 installed
[22:52:24] <Tom_itx> and i've used it since around ver 1.xx
[22:52:28] <XXCoder> I still havent found a decent FOSS CAM
[22:52:33] <BeachBumPete> but unfortunately I cannot afford to buy most of the rifles I make these parts for so I work from pictures and customer dimensions most of the time
[22:52:45] <XXCoder> i probably will end up buying art cam
[22:52:46] <Tom_itx> i may have 6.xx installed somewhere but seldom use it
[22:52:51] <XXCoder> as it mjatches my uses
[22:52:53] <BeachBumPete> unless there is someone local that has one I can borrow for a few minutes
[22:53:21] <MacGalempsy> have your accountant start you a LLC and once you make enough to buy the rifle, it will be tax free
[22:53:45] <_methods> Tom_itx: i have 6.5
[22:53:47] <XXCoder> careful with border between personal use and biz use
[22:53:49] <BeachBumPete> I make rails for quite a few different rifles
[22:54:09] <BeachBumPete> I own a couple nice ones but having one of each is just not gonna happen
[22:54:14] <BeachBumPete> they are SO damn expensive
[22:54:23] <MacGalempsy> just dont try to write your house off as a business expense and you will be ok
[22:54:23] <Tom_itx> _methods, i don't think it's that much better than 4.16
[22:54:38] <_methods> k well i guess i'll just keep gimpin along on that then
[22:54:40] <Tom_itx> definitely slower
[22:54:54] <XXCoder> eagle is circuit board cam?
[22:54:58] <Tom_itx> yes
[22:55:01] <_methods> i'm hardly a power use
[22:55:02] <XXCoder> okay
[22:55:03] <pfred1> I never liked Eagle's library editor
[22:55:03] <_methods> user
[22:55:17] <Tom_itx> i've tried pads and still like eagle better
[22:55:18] <MacGalempsy> i just downloaded that lately to look at some Arduino boards
[22:55:54] <_methods> i was just wondering what "everyone" was moving to with the autodesk faggotry
[22:56:00] <BeachBumPete> do you guys use the chinese clones or the real arduinos?
[22:56:01] <MacGalempsy> BeachBumPete: buy one, make a cnc copy, then sell the real one
[22:56:03] <pfred1> XXCoder schematic capture software
[22:56:14] <_methods> i'm a clone afficionado
[22:56:16] <Tom_itx> _methods, i guess you could say i'm not moving :D
[22:56:20] <_methods> cloney mcloneface
[22:56:23] <BeachBumPete> MacGalempsy I actually built one or two from scratch
[22:56:23] <pfred1> XXCoder you go from schematic to circuit board
[22:56:41] <XXCoder> yea though circuit board design isnt what I need to do
[22:56:45] <_methods> just always buy like 5 of them
[22:56:47] <XXCoder> I plan to make artwork
[22:56:55] <MacGalempsy> once the Hearing Protection Act goes thru, I cant wait to see what kind of things people in here will be making
[22:56:56] <XXCoder> just that im so damn lazy when at home :(
[22:56:56] <_methods> so when 4 blow up you can scrape one working one together
[22:56:58] <pfred1> well it is called board art
[22:57:07] <XXCoder> hearing protectoon act?
[22:57:48] <MacGalempsy> yeah. it takes away the $200 supressor fee and makes it so they are treated like any other firearm
[22:58:00] <XXCoder> hope its not requirement to wear hearing protection at work, as it would be extreme ironic for me
[22:58:12] <XXCoder> hh
[22:58:15] <XXCoder> *ahh
[22:58:19] <Tom_itx> osha requires that where required
[22:59:00] <MacGalempsy> as long as you make your own firearm, dont transfer or sell it, then you can do it all day long
[22:59:06] <XXCoder> tom yep had to wear earplugs in one area at old job, due to vbration machines. just for dust though, people there tend to use both plugs and ear protections
[22:59:21] <pfred1> MacGalempsy you can sell a firearm you made
[22:59:29] <BeachBumPete> I hear people say that but then it is up to the ATF to decide about it
[22:59:37] <XXCoder> state laws may apply
[22:59:45] <pfred1> you just can't make a firearm with the intent to sell it unless you have a FFL
[23:00:28] <MacGalempsy> yeah, I wouldnt want to test that. but if my buddy came over and hit the cycle start button, then he would be making it ;)
[23:00:53] <Tom_itx> just sell classes
[23:00:54] <BeachBumPete> that is EXACTLY how one guy was arrested in Cali
[23:00:58] <Tom_itx> to build your own
[23:01:01] <MacGalempsy> really?
[23:01:03] <pfred1> the real downside of unlicensed manufacturing is you're eternally responsible
[23:01:36] <XXCoder> theres is endless ways around it
[23:01:42] <XXCoder> setup machine at buyer house
[23:01:43] <BeachBumPete> yes really
[23:01:49] <XXCoder> tell guy to press it and wait
[23:01:54] <XXCoder> go home, pickup machine later
[23:02:01] <pfred1> someone take a firearm you manufactured and gets hurt with it and you're liable if you can be attached to the weapon
[23:02:02] <XXCoder> charge machine rental fee :P
[23:02:14] <MacGalempsy> my machine is easily moveable
[23:02:26] <MacGalempsy> its only about 800lbs
[23:02:34] <XXCoder> I shouldnt be giving ideas I dont like weapons but whatever :P
[23:02:45] <pfred1> they're just tools
[23:02:54] <pfred1> you can kill someone with a hammer
[23:02:59] <BeachBumPete> he was a gunsmith that was making lower receivers for people and doing that you press the button thing and was arrested.
[23:03:18] <XXCoder> thats quite transparent attempt really
[23:03:33] <MacGalempsy> I heard california was banning itself from all maps because its shaped like a bannana clip
[23:03:33] <BeachBumPete> I don't know the particulars but its a federal charge and he is now in deep kimshi
[23:03:37] <pfred1> he could make 80% receivers
[23:03:39] <XXCoder> "machine rental" is less transparent
[23:03:45] <BeachBumPete> California should be banned honestly
[23:04:00] <BeachBumPete> what a disaster that state is now
[23:04:06] <XXCoder> vote to kick off eh
[23:04:07] <BeachBumPete> I lived there for many years
[23:04:14] <BeachBumPete> could not pay me to go back
[23:04:18] <MacGalempsy> I left there at 27 and only went back for holidays
[23:04:28] <BeachBumPete> which is a damn shame because there are some really beautiful places there
[23:04:31] <XXCoder> lived there 10-11 years old
[23:04:33] <Tom_itx> never plan to visit personally
[23:04:36] <pfred1> calexit
[23:04:41] <XXCoder> wait no, 12-13
[23:04:53] <XXCoder> 10 I was still at ark
[23:05:01] <pfred1> I say we let them go if they pay us tribute
[23:05:02] <Tom_itx> i'd sooner go to swam infested Fl
[23:05:06] <MacGalempsy> its funny how they are just setting themselves up for disappontment
[23:05:29] <MacGalempsy> the south tried that and look what happened
[23:05:49] <XXCoder> I'd be happy to let south go this time
[23:05:53] <pfred1> no they didn't get 2/3rds of the state to agree
[23:06:01] <XXCoder> make trump president of conferete
[23:06:17] <BeachBumPete> Cali could not exist without US funding support
[23:06:19] <pfred1> secession is legal if you do it right
[23:07:05] <MacGalempsy> I think the only state with a real chance of secession is TX, other than that, its just a pipe dream
[23:07:58] <Tom_itx> well, have fun.. i'm out.
[23:08:23] <MacGalempsy> good night
[23:08:31] <XXCoder> president of texas>?
[23:08:41] <XXCoder> any of you wanna that position?
[23:08:49] <Tom_itx> dictator
[23:08:56] <MacGalempsy> if they were giving it away, i'd take it
[23:09:04] <pfred1> I never met a Texan I liked
[23:09:06] <MacGalempsy> texas is pretty awesome
[23:09:15] <XXCoder> visited texas, meh
[23:09:18] <pfred1> I figure just the real blowhards are the ones that travel though
[23:09:25] <MacGalempsy> every time I go there, I have a great time
[23:09:29] <BeachBumPete> anything good lately on netflix?
[23:09:37] <XXCoder> I visited most of western states before I was even 14
[23:09:42] <Tom_itx> watched inferno tonight
[23:10:01] <BeachBumPete> on NF?
[23:10:07] <pfred1> I don't know if i like to watch stuff anymore
[23:10:08] <Tom_itx> on dish
[23:10:32] <XXCoder> havent seriously watched tv for decade
[23:10:41] <XXCoder> besides seahawk games
[23:10:45] <pfred1> I try and i just can't sit through most stuff
[23:11:04] <pfred1> I just watched Bridge of Spies and it was OK
[23:11:11] <pfred1> tom hanks
[23:11:30] <Tom_itx> i like must of his stuff
[23:11:39] <BeachBumPete> rented Deepwater Horizon yesterday that was decent
[23:11:40] <pfred1> yeah he picks good projects mostly
[23:12:15] <BeachBumPete> got suicide squad too but cant watch it when the kids are awake LOL
[23:12:20] <XXCoder> ah yeah pretty good
[23:12:21] <pfred1> except for his role in atlas shrugged
[23:12:31] <XXCoder> heh that book
[23:12:35] <pfred1> that was painful to watch
[23:12:36] <MacGalempsy> Anticipating the season premier of The 100
[23:12:42] <XXCoder> was laughing when reading that danged book
[23:12:54] <XXCoder> tepid and boring book besides
[23:13:07] <XXCoder> been a while since last read it, and not reading it again anytime soon
[23:14:05] <XXCoder> yet it was not worse book I have ever read'
[23:14:18] <MacGalempsy> well guys, im going to call it a night.
[23:14:23] <XXCoder> no, that honor belong to galicitic whirlpool, a star trek book
[23:14:25] <pfred1> nite
[23:14:27] <MacGalempsy> ttyl
[23:14:31] <XXCoder> later mac
[23:14:43] <pfred1> I've read some books about star trek
[23:15:17] <pfred1> I just saw a good documentary about star trek
[23:15:35] <pfred1> well it was more about gene roddenberry
[23:15:38] <BeachBumPete> I really enjoy Star Trek
[23:15:48] <XXCoder> yep me too
[23:15:51] <pfred1> gene roddenberry was kind of a scumbag
[23:15:57] <diginet> he was
[23:16:36] <pfred1> apparently he sexually exploited female cast members in every episode
[23:16:40] <BeachBumPete> the great bird of the galaxy?
[23:16:40] <XXCoder> yeah so was roddeney, she told leia actor that bra would drift and choke her in space. yeah in show that has artifical gravity everywhere
[23:16:56] <XXCoder> now thats not something I heard, hm what show was it?
[23:17:11] <pfred1> I think I watched it on youtube
[23:17:27] <BeachBumPete> you mean by having them parade around in scantily clad uniforms or otherwise?
[23:17:30] <pfred1> but it was a legit show like had his son n it and other people that knw him
[23:17:35] <XXCoder> does not sound like reliable source
[23:17:39] <pfred1> no like casting couch
[23:17:54] <pfred1> no these were all peopel attached to the show
[23:18:00] <pfred1> or that knew him
[23:18:27] <BeachBumPete> I know his wife was in the show for many years and episodes
[23:18:29] <pfred1> nurse chappel was his girlfriend
[23:18:43] <pfred1> majel whatever her name was
[23:18:47] <XXCoder> there will always be scumbags sadly. like one guy who was trying to throw dog in ice cold artifical rapids for scene
[23:18:55] <pfred1> he was married too
[23:18:59] <BeachBumPete> that was his wife as I understood it
[23:19:03] <pfred1> nope
[23:19:13] <pfred1> she was his girlfriend
[23:19:24] <pfred1> he was married though
[23:19:46] <pfred1> yeah gene wa squite the player
[23:20:20] <BeachBumPete> she played ambassador lwaxana Troi
[23:20:23] <pfred1> oh and you know that episode where the entrpriase stopps the launch back in time from being sabotaged?
[23:20:37] <pfred1> that was a pilot for another show
[23:20:54] <pfred1> gene knew star trek wa sgetting canceled so he was setting up something else
[23:21:20] <XXCoder> one of crossovers with other show, that guy with cat that turns to woman?
[23:21:26] <pfred1> yes
[23:21:35] <BeachBumPete> so?
[23:21:52] <pfred1> no it was a pilot the show was never picked up
[23:22:14] <XXCoder> hm thought it was running show
[23:22:17] <pfred1> making your cast set up another show when their how is going down the tubes just seems a bit low to me
[23:22:30] <pfred1> yeah no it never happened
[23:22:48] <pfred1> but gene certianly tried to make it happen
[23:22:52] <BeachBumPete> I dunno personally I think he deserves a lot of credit for the whole thing
[23:22:52] <pfred1> he wa a cop
[23:23:04] <pfred1> before he did star trek
[23:23:14] <BeachBumPete> it was a show that has stood the test of time and then some
[23:23:22] <BeachBumPete> for a myriad of reasons
[23:23:34] <pfred1> well the ysaid towards the end gene was holding trek back
[23:23:48] <pfred1> because of his "vision"
[23:24:00] <BeachBumPete> while still being able to stand alongside the likes of Star Wars and still be viable
[23:24:04] <pfred1> which was kind of limited vision
[23:24:20] <XXCoder> yeah first year of TNG was a nightmare
[23:24:28] <pfred1> it was a fascinating documntary
[23:24:34] <XXCoder> he dying may have saved star trek then
[23:24:54] <XXCoder> you can see how stiff everything was back then
[23:25:04] <XXCoder> and apparently uniforms really stank
[23:25:04] <BeachBumPete> I think I watched that one with his son in it and I don't recall that much negativity about him being portrayed in it honestly
[23:25:35] <pfred1> well he wasn't a paragon
[23:25:48] <BeachBumPete> who is?
[23:26:00] <pfred1> ghandi?
[23:26:28] <XXCoder> there is no perfect person
[23:26:51] <pfred1> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfvLcozLwtE
[23:27:08] <BeachBumPete> I have heard and read similar things about George Lucas... everyone has their own little side stories and opinions. At the end of the day they both created lasting and highly interesting and entertaining stories that went HUGE
[23:27:47] <XXCoder> BeachBumPete: lucas convicted leia actor to not wear bra and underwear because "space"
[23:27:57] <pfred1> the people vs george lucas is funny
[23:28:00] <XXCoder> I cant remember names worth shit. sad she died
[23:28:32] <BeachBumPete> It was only recently that I learned that George Lucas is not only responsible for Star Wars but also Indiana Jones
[23:28:45] <pfred1> ewoks and jar jar binks
[23:28:57] <pfred1> he was reponsible for them too
[23:29:07] <BeachBumPete> also American Graffitit
[23:29:13] <BeachBumPete> Graffitti
[23:29:22] <pfred1> that's where harrison ford got hi start
[23:29:46] <BeachBumPete> amazing career actually
[23:29:50] <pfred1> american graffitti was what funded star wars
[23:30:03] <BeachBumPete> that was a great movie
[23:30:24] <XXCoder> i sure loved rogue one
[23:30:29] <XXCoder> sad movie but very good
[23:30:34] <pfred1> I'll never forgive lucas for taking my favorite line out of the original movie
[23:30:48] <BeachBumPete> I have yet to see Rogue One
[23:31:03] <pfred1> I saw the othr new one
[23:31:04] <BeachBumPete> I am afraid it is not in the theaters now
[23:31:13] <pfred1> on cable
[23:31:21] <BeachBumPete> its like I was totally excited to see it
[23:31:27] <BeachBumPete> then just never got around to it
[23:31:35] <pfred1> it'll be on TV
[23:31:38] <BeachBumPete> been busy with house and work stuff
[23:31:52] <pfred1> right before the next new movie comes out
[23:31:57] <BeachBumPete> I know but I actually WANT to see it on the big screen as I have seen all the rest
[23:32:12] <XXCoder> can't wait for 1977 sequel to rogue one ;)
[23:32:17] <pfred1> the only star wars I ever saw in a theater ws the first one
[23:32:34] <BeachBumPete> I remember going to see Star wars when I was a kid
[23:32:35] <Wolf_> BeachBumPete: http://www.archivist.info/cnc/Arduino_Probe_Interface/ its not me coming up with the probe stuff
[23:32:38] <BeachBumPete> it was AMAZING
[23:32:50] <pfred1> I still have my handout booklet
[23:33:02] <BeachBumPete> Wolf_ I did not say it was someone else did
[23:33:22] <Wolf_> yeah, I was looking at the log lol
[23:33:42] <BeachBumPete> I remember we saw it in a big fancy theater in New York with my parents and the whole crowd was just nutz after it.
[23:33:54] <pfred1> I saw it somewhere in tampa i think
[23:34:03] <pfred1> place was almost empty
[23:34:10] <XXCoder> I was too young
[23:34:20] <pfred1> I was just the right age
[23:34:21] <BeachBumPete> I was like 9
[23:34:22] <XXCoder> 6th movie maybe I did but dont remember
[23:34:33] <XXCoder> certainly watched 1-3 and rogue one
[23:34:36] <pfred1> I had even read the book before I saw the movie
[23:34:39] <XXCoder> as well as 7
[23:34:49] <pfred1> because the book came out before the movie did
[23:35:00] <BeachBumPete> I have always wanted to read the skywalker books.... its on the to do list
[23:35:16] <pfred1> this one wa shoted by alan dean foster I think?
[23:35:24] <pfred1> ghosted even
[23:35:25] <XXCoder> I used to rea tons of star wars but then "book canon" got crazy
[23:35:28] <XXCoder> gave ot up
[23:35:43] <XXCoder> #7 killed most of book canon heh
[23:35:49] <XXCoder> my friend got fairly angry
[23:35:50] <pfred1> I never read another star wars book after that
[23:36:19] <pfred1> but I was all hyped up for the first one
[23:36:25] <pfred1> I was like 13?
[23:36:43] <pfred1> yup 13
[23:36:43] <XXCoder> movie #1, with whiny boy?
[23:36:54] <BeachBumPete> I remember that Christmas was a STAR WARS Christmas man... hehe
[23:37:00] <XXCoder> the boy who would be vadar?
[23:37:03] <pfred1> the first star wars movie I think they call it 4 now?
[23:37:12] <BeachBumPete> a new hope
[23:37:14] <XXCoder> yeah movies 4 is first of them all
[23:37:26] <XXCoder> 56 then 1 2 3 7 rogue one
[23:37:28] <pfred1> back then it was just called star wars
[23:37:37] <BeachBumPete> yup
[23:37:46] <XXCoder> lucas couldnt budget for movie #1
[23:37:49] <XXCoder> so he went for 4
[23:37:53] <BeachBumPete> it really was so far ahead of its time
[23:38:06] <pfred1> well he wanted it to be like a throw back ot the old serials
[23:38:15] <BeachBumPete> they had to create a lot of the tech to make it work
[23:38:16] <pfred1> as if it was episode 4
[23:38:30] <BeachBumPete> which is amazing in and of itself if you ask me
[23:38:30] <XXCoder> if there was such thing as alternate timelines I'd go and find one where he made first movie in 70s #1 not #4
[23:38:37] <pfred1> but the studio said that would be to oconfusing
[23:38:38] <XXCoder> and buy dvds of all that
[23:39:43] <pfred1> know what's cool about star wars?
[23:40:05] <pfred1> watching the death star blow up in reverse on a 12" laser disc
[23:40:06] <BeachBumPete> I am fairly pleased with how this new rail looks. I have to sleep on it and look at it again tomorrow but so far yeah I like it
[23:40:27] <BeachBumPete> which time? It blew up several different ways
[23:40:47] <pfred1> the big explosion where it flies apart
[23:41:04] <pfred1> watching it come back together is hiarious
[23:41:08] <BeachBumPete> yeah I know but later on he redid it adding that blue shock wave thing
[23:41:23] <pfred1> yeah this is pre tampering the 12" disc is pristine
[23:41:30] <BeachBumPete> kewl
[23:41:38] <pfred1> I think it may be the ony untampered version?
[23:41:52] <pfred1> I have an original VHS of it though
[23:41:54] <BeachBumPete> somewhere here I have VHS copies
[23:42:07] <BeachBumPete> but I no longer have a working VCR LOL
[23:42:08] <pfred1> I picked mine up at a thrift store
[23:42:11] <XXCoder> pf its MOST untampered but there was tiny amount of changes
[23:42:21] <pfred1> ah
[23:42:33] <XXCoder> VCR is most "pure" but also tiny changes there. theate is only pure one and its not aviliable
[23:42:37] <pfred1> qwell the laser disc version is damn close
[23:42:56] <XXCoder> hm forgot which vcr and laserdisc
[23:43:18] <pfred1> I think the crawl on the VHS is altered?
[23:43:48] <pfred1> but my favorite line is still in the tape and Han shoots first too
[23:43:54] <XXCoder> indeed
[23:43:56] <BeachBumPete> I think I have bought the whole trilogy like four different times LOL
[23:44:19] <pfred1> I grew out of star wars pretty quickly
[23:44:25] <BeachBumPete> of course he shoots first, that was kind stupid I thought
[23:44:30] <pfred1> I was the right age to grow out of it
[23:44:37] <BeachBumPete> not me I LOVE that shit
[23:44:58] <XXCoder> greedo suddenly went blind
[23:45:02] <pfred1> I liked the second movie it is probably the best
[23:45:03] <BeachBumPete> I watch it all the time must have watched it a million times now LOL I know crazy right
[23:45:04] <XXCoder> missing shot fron 3 feet
[23:45:15] <BeachBumPete> I agree
[23:45:25] <BeachBumPete> the Ice world of HOTH was cool
[23:45:33] <BeachBumPete> so was the tontons
[23:45:39] <pfred1> well the acting the pacing the production
[23:45:40] <BeachBumPete> and the imperial walkers
[23:45:46] <pfred1> the 2nd movie has got it all
[23:45:53] <BeachBumPete> and yoda
[23:46:04] <BeachBumPete> it was just the best one by far
[23:46:11] <pfred1> they were at their peak and they had unlimited backing then
[23:46:25] <BeachBumPete> sure but the story was great too
[23:46:26] <XXCoder> pfred1: http://www.polygon.com/2014/8/18/6030725/star-wars-hd-despecialized-edition
[23:46:47] <BeachBumPete> that is one thing that fans say tho about Star trek
[23:46:55] <pfred1> BeachBumPete well yeah that's part of running on all cylinders
[23:47:14] <BeachBumPete> that charachter development and later tech is what seperated it from Star wars
[23:47:14] <XXCoder> that one removes additions to get near to pure orginial but with HD
[23:47:29] <pfred1> when they made the 2nd movie they had absolutely everything going for them then
[23:47:46] <BeachBumPete> people waited for hours on lines to see it
[23:47:56] <BeachBumPete> it was like a damn rock concert
[23:48:07] <BeachBumPete> I remember waiting with my dad for tickets
[23:48:24] <pfred1> we spelled ZZ top out in beer bottles like 10 feet tall
[23:48:28] <BeachBumPete> people were so jazzed and could not wait to see it
[23:48:34] <pfred1> oh that was at a rock concert nevermind
[23:48:35] <XXCoder> wow
[23:48:42] <XXCoder> pf look at youtube in that link
[23:48:54] <BeachBumPete> it was a cool time.
[23:49:25] <BeachBumPete> I also remember the really big toys like the Millenium Falcon at stores at Christmas was like fist fights for them LOL
[23:49:28] <pfred1> XXCoder my VHS copy is pretty damned close
[23:49:39] <XXCoder> yeah but it wears out
[23:49:50] <BeachBumPete> I had the big Falcon and the X wing
[23:49:59] <BeachBumPete> my brother got the Tie Fighter
[23:50:01] <pfred1> well it's not like I'm watching it regularly I've only watched it once so far
[23:50:10] <XXCoder> never had any star wars toys basically too poor
[23:50:29] <BeachBumPete> I had a bunch of the action figures
[23:50:44] <pfred1> I might have had a burger king cup
[23:51:00] <BeachBumPete> hehe I had those too
[23:51:13] <BeachBumPete> they had a LOT of Burger King cups
[23:51:15] <XXCoder> I still has 4 cups burger king
[23:51:18] <BeachBumPete> and glasses
[23:51:24] <XXCoder> *glasses
[23:51:26] <pfred1> I have People magazine with R2D2 and C3PO on the cover
[23:51:39] <XXCoder> heh I have weird stuff
[23:51:53] <XXCoder> like mickey mouse 25th birthday magazine. forgot what magazine it was
[23:52:01] <XXCoder> mouse is what 55 now?
[23:52:18] <BeachBumPete> it must be pretty humbling for George Lucas to look back on all of this knowing that it was his ideas that spawned such a rabid following and massive fanbase all over the world
[23:52:22] <pfred1> mickey mouse is from 1927
[23:52:35] <pfred1> steamboat willie
[23:52:51] <XXCoder> ya hmm may have year wrong. 35th brithday?
[23:53:08] <pfred1> every tim mickey mouse is due to go into the public domain copyright laws are magically rewritten
[23:53:41] <pfred1> an amazing cioncidence
[23:53:46] <pfred1> coincidence even
[23:53:52] <XXCoder> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5f/Disney-infinite-copyright.svg/2000px-Disney-infinite-copyright.svg.png
[23:53:55] <BeachBumPete> I have always marvelled at people like him and writers like Stephen king and others who can create such vivid and interesting/fantastic stories in thier minds eye and put them to paper.
[23:54:02] <XXCoder> logo for against infinity copyright
[23:54:09] <XXCoder> indeed pete
[23:54:19] <pfred1> XXCoder heh
[23:54:52] <pfred1> I like the author that king is gaga about
[23:55:04] <BeachBumPete> I think about Harry Potter
[23:55:16] <pfred1> King writes forwards to a lot of HP Lovecraft books
[23:55:17] <BeachBumPete> and now there is an entire world about Harry Potter at Disney now
[23:55:33] <pfred1> where he gushes about how great Lovecraft was
[23:55:39] <BeachBumPete> all because this woman was able to create this amazing world of wizards
[23:55:43] <XXCoder> watched few of king's movies
[23:55:57] <XXCoder> langolingers, and that one with goblin semi
[23:55:57] <pfred1> replace wand with wang to see what harry porrer is really about
[23:56:02] <pfred1> potter
[23:56:03] <XXCoder> someone restored that semi btw!
[23:56:22] <XXCoder> https://littleblogofhorror.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/625499_351135338337897_1651645939_n.jpg
[23:56:40] <pfred1> dang
[23:56:41] <BeachBumPete> I am looking forward to taking my family to Disney soon to see that whole thing
[23:57:02] <pfred1> the last time I was at disneyworld it was so run down
[23:57:07] <XXCoder> its not perfect but hey it was DESTROYED
[23:57:08] <BeachBumPete> only thing that sucks is it has gotten so damn expensive
[23:57:22] <BeachBumPete> really?
[23:57:38] <BeachBumPete> we were there a few years back and it was better than ever I thought
[23:57:39] <XXCoder> goblin? yeah they blew the semi for final ending
[23:57:41] <pfred1> well I was at the park the year it opened so I might be a bit biased
[23:57:52] <BeachBumPete> wow
[23:58:01] <pfred1> but it used to be pristine
[23:58:10] <BeachBumPete> I was amazed at all the new stuff there that I have not ever seen
[23:58:12] <pfred1> now the concrete looks all aged
[23:58:48] <BeachBumPete> I remember staying at the contemporary Resort hotel as a child with my parents and riding the monorail to the parks
[23:59:00] <pfred1> wow I never stayed at the park
[23:59:02] <BeachBumPete> that was such a cool place and still is
[23:59:15] <BeachBumPete> we went many times because we live here in Florida
[23:59:17] <pfred1> didn't a kid get eaten by a gator in the lagoon recently?
[23:59:20] <XXCoder> only went to disnet world once as senior. I paid child rate
[23:59:30] <XXCoder> I looked like I was 14 when I was 19
[23:59:41] <BeachBumPete> best was once we stayed in one of the tree houses outside the park for two weeks