#linuxcnc | Logs for 2017-01-20

[01:45:40] <archivist> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2PCS-Danger-Decals-for-your-Micrometer-or-Caliper-for-Mitutoyo-Starrett-Case-/121804500178
[02:31:46] <Deejay> moin
[05:26:04] <jthornton> morning
[05:45:02] <Tom_L> hey
[06:07:40] <XXCoder> jru JT-Prusa
[06:07:49] <XXCoder> *hey jthornton
[06:08:24] <jthornton> hey
[06:10:16] <XXCoder> whats up
[06:10:41] <jthornton> writing a program to create image galleries
[06:11:40] <XXCoder> bah wish I had more willpower to code stuff
[06:13:22] <archivist> I cheat, a "gallery" is a search result for me
[06:26:02] <jthornton> http://gnipsel.com/equipment/equipment-shed/es-jan-apr-16/index.html
[06:27:09] <jthornton> aww crap it has the wrong date
[06:27:23] <XXCoder> interesting https://blogs.mentor.com/robinbornoff/blog/2015/03/24/organically-grown-3d-printable-heatsinks-part-1-a-simple-iterative-procedure/
[06:29:28] <MacGalempsy> morning
[06:38:44] <archivist> jthornton, the date overlay on a pic does not work as one might expect, at least on an old firefox with a real mouse and none of the touch nonsense
[06:39:44] <jthornton> I think it is the old firefox not a mouse as I don't have any touch screens
[06:41:40] <archivist> the date shows but not clickable in that area
[06:42:14] <archivist> why not just use plain html with date below
[06:43:57] <jthornton> I'm experimenting
[06:44:10] <jthornton> but yes plain might be better
[06:45:18] <archivist> currently one has to mouse over to see dates, extra work
[06:51:16] <sync_> is the date really that interesting
[06:51:20] <sync_> it's not too bad imho
[06:51:21] <sync_> looks nice
[06:51:57] <jthornton> I got the date from the new image not the original, fixed that
[06:52:47] <jthornton> resize the page
[07:41:03] <jthornton> http://gnipsel.com/test/test3.html
[07:41:07] <jthornton> I like this better
[07:41:32] <jthornton> anyone with a smart phone handy see if it looks ok
[07:45:32] <archivist> I dont have a smart phone, resize works until you over squeeze then aspect ration of thumbs goes to pot
[07:46:33] <jthornton> hmmm
[07:47:50] <archivist> you have image scaled width only
[07:48:27] <archivist> img.scaled { width: 95%;}
[07:48:51] <jthornton> yep forgot the height: 95%;
[07:52:24] <archivist> oops another tarduino on the way :)
[07:53:15] <archivist> going to try and read a scanning type 2 axis probe
[07:53:22] <archivist> 3 axis
[07:53:49] <jthornton> cool
[08:08:32] <Deejay> re
[08:12:55] <MacGalempsy> archivist have you checked out the D1 mini?
[08:13:27] <MacGalempsy> wemos is the maker
[08:13:49] <archivist> no, getting a mega2560 for more IO
[08:15:24] <MacGalempsy> getting a ramps w that?
[08:15:44] <archivist> hell no
[08:17:15] <archivist> I want to make an interface for http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchv4page=1&searchstr=lvdt+probe
[08:18:18] <archivist> it is probably made by Zeiss but need to research a bit more
[08:23:50] <MacGalempsy> wow. looks complicated
[08:27:28] <archivist> it is not that complicated, just pairs of flat spring steel as hinges
[08:27:41] <Jymmm> Well... it's snowing and sticking
[08:28:54] <MacGalempsy> why the big port?
[08:30:19] <archivist> the D type connector? input to the transformers and outputs for x y z plus limit switches
[08:37:26] <MacGalempsy> ah. oh
[08:40:22] <archivist> so needs an interface http://www.mikesflightdeck.com/lvdts/lvdts.html and then analogue to digital
[11:11:16] <roycroft> my mesa gear should arrive today
[11:11:38] <roycroft> not that i can do much with it at this point, other than make a cad drawing of the 7i76 to help with the electronics cabinet design
[11:12:31] <roycroft> but it's still progress
[11:18:50] <jdh> the dims are in the manual
[11:34:39] <pink_vampire> hi
[11:37:40] <pink_vampire> is there a way to align text in pyvcp? like right, left, center?
[11:38:02] <pink_vampire> I'm trying to align a text to the left side.
[12:07:51] <roycroft> i really need to decide on drivers and stepper motors soon, so that at least i can make little masking tape flags spin around
[12:12:25] <jdh> I ordered a cheap chinese load cell. anyone know of a cheap display for them?
[12:13:50] <Wolf_> i’m using a hx711, arduino nano and whatever lcd I feel like using with it
[12:16:02] <jdh> yeah, I was hoping for a canned box
[12:16:21] <Wolf_> any cheap kitchen scale lol
[12:16:30] <Wolf_> probably
[12:19:27] <Wolf_> I almost have enough parts to make a canned box, just missing a spare 40x2 lcd
[12:20:39] <Wolf_> arduino nano $4, hx711 $1.30, just add lcd and printed box for it
[12:22:33] <IchGucksLive> hi
[12:23:09] <MacGalempsy> hi
[12:23:35] <IchGucksLive> pink_vampire: yust use SPACE
[12:24:22] <pink_vampire> let me see
[12:24:31] <IchGucksLive> so the NEW president is in place
[12:25:22] <jdh> now we are great!
[12:32:25] <MacGalempsy> I wonder if the politicians who he was bagging on are worried or just rolled their eyes?
[13:19:22] <IchGucksLive> hi jefrite
[13:21:08] <MacGalempsy> IchGucksLive: how is the teaching process going with your large group?
[13:21:54] <IchGucksLive> not as good as planed
[13:22:01] <IchGucksLive> Basics missing
[13:22:13] <MacGalempsy> how basic?
[13:22:17] <IchGucksLive> XYZ
[13:22:41] <roycroft> joysticks or spinner wheel for jogging?
[13:22:42] <IchGucksLive> today they killed the Ceramics on the plasma
[13:22:45] <IchGucksLive> trice
[13:22:54] <MacGalempsy> ahh. i see. like introductory to machine basics
[13:23:13] <IchGucksLive> roycroft: depends on mashine type
[13:23:34] <IchGucksLive> for precician 0.01mm wheel
[13:23:44] <IchGucksLive> for JEI cut joystick
[13:23:47] <IchGucksLive> Jwt
[13:23:51] <IchGucksLive> Jet
[13:23:52] <MacGalempsy> damn. I was chatting with my nephew who wants to start building bots. he wanted to jump in and I told him there was more reading than doing because reading is free and doing costs $$$
[13:24:08] <IchGucksLive> roycroft: but you can have both
[13:24:09] <roycroft> it's a milling machine
[13:24:15] <IchGucksLive> on the XHC-hb04
[13:24:18] <roycroft> yes, i can have both
[13:24:22] <roycroft> but real estate is expensive
[13:24:34] <roycroft> i was thinking of joysticks
[13:24:34] <IchGucksLive> same price same device
[13:24:44] <roycroft> a 5 position one for x-y and a 3 position one for z
[13:24:57] <MacGalempsy> how about a used videogame controller?
[13:25:00] <roycroft> with a switch for rapid/10 step/single step for each or so
[13:25:10] <roycroft> i might add a pendant later
[13:25:17] <roycroft> but i want something right on the control panel
[13:25:36] <MacGalempsy> the panel should look sweet with that stainless keyboard
[13:25:42] <roycroft> http://www.ebay.com/itm/121175241157?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
[13:25:47] <roycroft> i'm looking at that joystick
[13:25:51] <roycroft> and its 3 position mate
[13:27:09] <MacGalempsy> I may give the xbox controller a go, it has so many buttons and sticks on it, but no jog wheel
[13:27:20] <IchGucksLive> roycroft: look at my xhc config http://pastebin.com/EBDat9is
[13:27:36] <IchGucksLive> it uses MODS to select Wheel Joystick
[13:27:51] <IchGucksLive> where F& F7 is joystick positiv Negativ
[13:28:04] <IchGucksLive> and the axis select selects the joint to move
[13:28:21] <IchGucksLive> as well as a COMP selects the increments from MUX 8
[13:28:23] <roycroft> bbiab
[13:28:29] <roycroft> meeting just got called
[13:28:52] <IchGucksLive> so MUX 2,3,4 acts the wheel
[13:29:09] <IchGucksLive> and the other 5,6,7, on High speed only the buttons
[13:29:13] <MacGalempsy> here is my panel, but I added a touch screen
[13:29:14] <MacGalempsy> https://flic.kr/p/gG7sfC
[13:29:43] <MacGalempsy> one I get back to cutting, I plan on adding the MPG, axis and joint selectors
[13:32:59] <IchGucksLive> MacGalempsy: get a ready made
[13:33:08] <IchGucksLive> its cool and easy
[13:33:28] <IchGucksLive> staart on Gamecontroller at v5USD
[13:33:54] <IchGucksLive> maybe on monday not available as America First dont work an that
[13:34:18] <IchGucksLive> X-box is made in äTaiwan ;-)
[13:34:55] <MacGalempsy> heh.it would be good to jack up the price and get people off the couch
[13:35:50] <IchGucksLive> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnX9nG6bkvA
[13:36:03] <IchGucksLive> my joypad TUTorial
[13:36:17] <MacGalempsy> cool. will subscribe
[13:36:40] <IchGucksLive> my channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCmwhCL92ZQRSVqFe3jGwJSQ
[13:37:13] <MacGalempsy> but my german is nil...
[13:37:22] <IchGucksLive> there are some english
[13:37:54] <MacGalempsy> solomente entiendo ingles y espanol
[13:37:57] <IchGucksLive> let me see if i got a EN from 2010 on this
[13:38:43] <IchGucksLive> i got one
[13:41:30] <IchGucksLive> MacGalempsy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzHJTjuLlWg
[13:42:12] <MacGalempsy> IchGucksLive: it is not available yet
[13:42:33] <IchGucksLive> why
[13:42:37] <MacGalempsy> not sure
[13:42:57] <MacGalempsy> just says "This video is unavailable."
[13:43:08] <MacGalempsy> oh and "Sorry about that."
[13:43:13] <IchGucksLive> let me look in the videomanager
[13:48:07] <IchGucksLive> MacGalempsy: please try again
[13:49:21] <MacGalempsy> working
[13:49:45] <IchGucksLive> <---SMILES
[13:50:43] <MacGalempsy> how did you map the inputs?
[13:50:58] <MacGalempsy> with that code you showed?
[13:51:05] <IchGucksLive> yes
[13:51:26] <IchGucksLive> SORRy i need to go familie is calling im in overtime
[14:11:26] <Ronse> I just installed Linuxcnc 2.7.8. I see a warning "Do not update operating system files". How do you identify which these are?
[14:13:46] <Vq> Ehm, is that verbatim?
[14:14:35] <MacGalempsy> I think when you do an update, it will ask if you want to update certain files.
[14:15:00] <MacGalempsy> since you are just starting, try the update. if it is unuseable after that, just reload.
[14:15:15] <Ronse> verbatim - Do not upgrade the operating system if prompted to do so.
[14:16:00] <Ronse> Seems like it still runs the sample file okay
[14:16:51] <Ronse> I used the package manager to do the update
[14:20:33] <Vq> I think that was written to warn against the Ubuntu LTS release to LTS release upgrade, which chooses new software sources.
[14:21:06] <Vq> I don't think thats an issue with Debian.
[14:22:10] <MacGalempsy> http://oklahomacity.craigslist.org/hvo/5966272122.html
[14:22:16] <Ronse> +Now it doesn't want to boot - I get /bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off
[14:22:20] <Vq> Upgrading (as in "apt upgrade") should be safe
[14:24:52] <Ronse> So how do I fix this?
[14:25:14] <MacGalempsy> you might try a forum search
[14:26:16] <Ronse> I guess the next step is figure out why it can't access tty.
[14:27:37] <Vq> Was this during system boot?
[14:28:03] <Ronse> yes
[14:29:09] <Vq> Maybe something happened during the mounting of filesystems and you got a fallback devfs or some such.
[14:29:28] <Vq> Are you using an odd filesystem for root?
[14:30:27] <Vq> Did you install from the live-CD?
[14:33:11] <Ronse> Yes
[14:34:39] <Vq> How did you invoke the upgrade?
[14:35:04] <Ronse> Then after checking to verify it worked I ran ptest.hal a parallel port test program and after that it froze and had to force turnoff, now won't boot
[14:36:17] <Ronse> I suppose I need to start over and reinstall from the live CD (DVD)
[14:36:55] <Vq> I'd start with checking that the hardware is alright and then proceeding with a reinstall.
[14:38:01] <Vq> It may be that your unfortunate freeze held up some writes to the disk from the upgrade and thats all.
[14:38:40] <Vq> I can imagine the initrd file being corrupted can have this effect.
[14:39:27] <Ronse> I do not have it connected to a machine yet. If that is what you mean by hardware.
[14:40:55] <Ronse> All I have for a prompt is #
[14:40:56] <Vq> No, I mean the harddrive and RAM. Sorry for being fuzzy.
[14:41:48] <Ronse> PWD yields /
[14:43:17] <Vq> What is mounted on / ?
[14:43:41] <Ronse> hard drive
[14:43:48] <Vq> ok
[14:44:07] <Vq> Do you see any I/O errors in the kernel log? (dmesg)
[14:45:29] <Ronse> dmesg not found
[14:45:52] <Vq> Hmm
[14:47:34] <Vq> Alright, I would recommend reinstalling from the CD.
[14:48:03] <Ronse> ls yields dev bin etc modules scripts usr proc var root conf lib sbin init sys tmp
[14:48:43] <Vq> And if the problem was that it didn't write to disk properly after the upgrade and before you ran the real-time test you can use the "sync" command to force writes to disk.
[14:49:14] <Vq> /bin/dmesg might work
[14:52:06] <roycroft> so this is a somewhat vague question, i know, but one of my touchscreen displays is a dell
[14:52:14] <roycroft> i don't see any elo markings on any part of it
[14:52:30] <roycroft> does anyone know if at least some dell touchscreens work with debian/linuxcnc?
[14:52:37] <roycroft> and if so, do they use the elo driver?
[14:52:57] <roycroft> that particular display is the cleanest 15" one i have, so it would be nice if i could use it
[14:53:15] <Ronse> I'm now in process of reinstalling from live cd
[14:53:16] <roycroft> the dell website talks about dell windows drivers
[14:53:39] <Vq> I've no idea about whether dell touchscreens works in linux but I doubt they use any elo chips.
[14:54:16] <roycroft> usually they're not chips
[14:54:31] <roycroft> usually the elo touchscreen is an overlay with a controller card on the back of the display
[14:54:46] <roycroft> so they are not integrated with the display itself at all
[14:55:15] <roycroft> i'll experiment, but i thought someone might know already
[14:56:19] <MacGalempsy> roycroft: did you try xcalibrate?
[14:56:21] <Vq> sorry, no idea.
[14:59:09] <roycroft> i haven't plugged it in yet
[14:59:16] <roycroft> and i'm at work right now
[14:59:46] <MacGalempsy> how was the meeting?
[15:00:05] <roycroft> my mesa boards are awaiting me at the post office, so i'l ppick them up after work and i'll experiment with the touch screen this evening when i install the 5i25
[15:00:07] <roycroft> i met
[15:00:09] <roycroft> :)
[15:00:15] <roycroft> actually it was productive
[15:00:24] <roycroft> because my boss was not involved
[15:00:39] <MacGalempsy> hard to keep your mind on business with new cards idling at the PO
[15:01:03] <roycroft> not really
[15:01:09] <roycroft> i'm good at separating things like that
[15:01:13] <MacGalempsy> oh, you must have an exciting job
[15:01:17] <roycroft> and i've learned to become patient in my old age
[15:03:41] <roycroft> i also don't have any drivers or motors yet, so i can't do much with the mesa gear
[15:04:21] <MacGalempsy> what did you decide on the amp situation?
[15:09:37] <JT-Shop> sudo gedit /usr/lib/X11/xorg.conf.d/69-evtouch.conf and played with the numbers till my finger matched the pointer on the BP touch scren
[15:14:59] <miss0r> That feeling when you misplaced the offset on the finalizing chamfer...... *sigh*
[15:15:05] <miss0r> 4 hours milling down the drain
[15:15:34] <andypugh> miss0r: On the bright side, it wasn’t 4 hours of handle winding.
[15:16:17] <miss0r> This would never happen on handle winding :) but then again, this part would take nearly forever without cnc
[15:17:01] <miss0r> have a 4mm deep gouch in the side of the workpeice, that is not on the drawing...
[15:17:10] * miss0r is thinking about getting creative :]
[15:18:48] <miss0r> "that 'spot' is an indexer, so you don't get your part turned around while mounting it"... I don't think he will buy it :-/
[15:19:23] <miss0r> also: damnit! i'm out of 316 that size.
[15:25:21] <ronse> I reinstalled linuxcnc from live CD. Opened package manager. Can't find gedit. I was able to find and install on the first installation of linuxcnc. Any ideas on this?
[15:26:23] <MacGalempsy> sudo apt-get install gedit
[15:29:17] <ronse> Doesn't work. I get sudo: aptget: command not found
[15:30:03] <miss0r> did you remember the - ?
[15:30:08] <miss0r> as in "apt-get"
[15:33:42] <ronse> You're right, I msised that
[15:35:21] <andypugh> If you are on Wheezy then I wouldn’t suggest installin gedit, as it brings in a ton of other Gnome dependencies.
[15:35:43] <andypugh> Nor would I suggest sticking with Mousepad, though, that’s not great.
[15:38:30] <ronse> Now I get E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)
[15:38:44] <ronse> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[15:39:43] <Nick-Shop> Andy - what would you suggest?
[15:43:36] <andypugh> That’s an interesting question.
[15:43:56] <miss0r> vi !
[15:44:04] <andypugh> I only know to not recommend gedit because that’s exactly what I did. In all other respects it’s good.
[15:44:15] <andypugh> I wonder how expensive Geany is?
[15:44:26] <andypugh> (in terms of dependencies?)
[15:44:38] <andypugh> I like Notepad++ on Windows.
[15:46:24] <ronse> get "!" [New File]
[15:46:32] <JT-Shop> 2nd for notepad++
[15:46:36] <miss0r> I prefere using nano
[15:46:42] <miss0r> that is a great peice of software
[15:47:35] <JT-Shop> I use gedit because it shows spaces and tabs if you want
[15:47:46] <Nick-Shop> I'm using wheezy and tired of clicking around to open mousepad to look at a file
[15:48:07] <JT-Shop> sudo apt-get install gedit
[15:48:23] <Nick-Shop> what is the overhead of using gedit on wheezy?
[15:48:48] <miss0r> Just use nano. close to zero dependencies
[15:48:51] <JT-Shop> beats me I don't use sneezy
[15:49:23] <miss0r> ^^
[15:49:36] <Nick-Shop> I thought nano was for terminal
[15:49:47] <d42> it is :^)
[15:50:34] <miss0r> Whats wrong with that? you 'can' have a terminal window open in X
[15:51:51] <Nick-Shop> I have to look at ngc and txt files and gedit was real handy til they got rid of ubunto
[15:53:22] <_methods> i think someone makes a gcode vi script
[15:53:50] <_methods> vim-nc
[15:54:02] <_methods> https://github.com/gregjurman/vim-nc
[15:54:39] <_methods> that way you don't have to admit you used nano
[15:55:04] <miss0r> yeah yeah yeah :) I know it is somewhat tabu :) but I like it
[15:55:10] <_methods> hahah
[15:55:44] <miss0r> but, I will have to say, vi has a nasty tendency to screw you over, if you are not using a US keyboard.
[15:56:29] <miss0r> especially if you are ssh'ing into a box configured with said keyboard, and you are not locally
[15:56:34] <miss0r> strange stuff happens
[15:56:48] <ronse> When I type:sudo apt-get install gedit I get E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable) E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[15:57:29] <ronse> I think I'll try a reboot
[15:58:35] <miss0r> _methods: does that script highlight stuff?
[16:06:45] <ronse> After reboot I tried to install gedit from terminal but get Package gedit is not avaiable, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has ben obsoleted, or is only available from another source E: Package 'gedit' has no installation candidate
[16:11:02] <roycroft> what iso are you using to install linuxcnc?
[16:11:29] <roycroft> linuxcnc-2.7-wheezy.iso ?
[16:16:59] <ronse> yes, linuxcnc-2.7-wheezy.iso that I down loaded and put on a DVD. The first time I installed it I was able to get the gedit package, but not on this second install.
[16:18:55] <ronse> the linuxcnc demo seems to work ok
[16:19:03] <roycroft> that's odd
[16:19:09] <roycroft> i've never had any issues at all with that image
[16:21:03] <Frank_6> stupid question of the week: im using a 24vdc switching power supply for vfield and vin for 7i76, the manual says pin 1 for v+ and pin 8 for ground. here ground means v- or the ground of the switching psu? excuse my incompetence
[16:21:50] <Frank_6> or maybe the ground that goes back to the main pannel?
[16:21:58] <Deejay> gn8
[16:22:31] <Frank_6> which would be the ground of the switching psu....
[16:32:23] <Loetmichel_> Frank_6: usually smps have the V- on GND anyway
[16:33:20] <Frank_6> loetmichel_: remember my white rust problem? it happened to be (apparently) that it was because i painted with rust converter over galvanized steel :P
[16:33:39] <Loetmichel_> check with an multimeter on resistance, if not: get the GND to one gnd screw in your enclosure ("star earthing" in german) and use the V- on pin8
[16:33:50] <Loetmichel_> Frank_6: MUHAHA
[16:34:00] <Loetmichel_> rust converter contains muriatic acid
[16:34:13] <Frank_6> yeah i remember you told me that haha
[16:34:33] <Loetmichel_> no wonder that your galvanized parts "blossomed" ;-)
[16:35:23] <Frank_6> it created a thin layer of white rust powder between the paint and the galvanized steel and then i could lift up the paint like a napkin from a table
[16:35:35] <Loetmichel_> normal
[16:35:43] <Frank_6> rookie mistake
[16:35:46] <Loetmichel_> the acid ate away the galvanizing
[16:36:02] <Frank_6> i thought that adding that rust converter would at least give a better grip for the finishing paint
[16:36:21] <Frank_6> yeah nothing serious thou, steel looks good
[16:37:03] <Frank_6> but weird enough every galvanized screw on the cabinet started to create that white powder and bad smell
[16:37:04] <Loetmichel_> Zinc+ HCl will become Zinccloride (white dust), and some spare hydrogen
[16:37:08] <Frank_6> hopefully now it will stop
[16:37:17] <Frank_6> bad to smell?
[16:37:38] <Loetmichel_> it shoud, once the acid in the paint is used up
[16:37:54] <Loetmichel_> the smell would be some cloride or sulfide side products from the paint
[16:38:56] * Loetmichel_ uses lots of stainless steel screws on the military tech that he makes at the company..
[16:39:18] <Loetmichel_> ... and powder coating instead of painting ;)
[16:39:54] <Frank_6> haha stop bragging in my face!
[16:40:08] <Frank_6> thanks thou
[16:40:25] <Loetmichel_> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14412&g2_imageViewsIndex=1 <- thin client with 24" display in one enclosure... held together by 148 m3 stainless screws ;)
[16:40:31] <Loetmichel_> bragging?`
[16:40:44] <Loetmichel_> those enclosures are a PITA to mount...
[16:41:14] <Loetmichel_> you cant screw in the stainless ones into galvanized steel threads with a battery drill..
[16:41:50] <Loetmichel_> way to fast, the zinc melts from the friction and re-solidifies, instantly "welding" the screw into the thread
[16:42:02] <Frank_6> lol 148 screws
[16:42:03] <Loetmichel_> so i screw them in all by hand
[16:43:04] <Frank_6> *hand cramps*
[16:43:14] <Loetmichel_> ... and a few dozen more inside holding the parts together
[16:43:25] <Loetmichel_> the 148 are the ones on the outside ;)
[16:43:44] <Frank_6> haha
[16:43:57] <Frank_6> you from germany?=
[16:44:00] <Loetmichel_> yes
[16:52:35] <ronse> I finally got gedit installed. Now how do I put a short cut on the desktop?
[16:52:49] <XXCoder> gedit used to rock
[16:52:50] <XXCoder> it now sucks
[16:53:23] * roycroft has been using vi since it was first released, and has never seen any reason to switch to something else
[16:54:01] <XXCoder> I would want to use emacs again but I use text editor infrequent enough that I keep forgetting shortcuts.
[16:54:11] <roycroft> i rarely use emacs
[16:54:17] <roycroft> but i edit my .emacsrc with vi :)
[16:54:32] <d42> kids these days with their fancy vims and neovims :v
[16:54:32] <XXCoder> lol well I used to all time
[16:54:41] <roycroft> i like modal editors
[16:54:57] <roycroft> but some don't
[16:55:04] <XXCoder> because I love ability to have 2 or more views of same or different document.
[16:55:04] <roycroft> which is why we have all sorts of editors
[16:55:31] <roycroft> i also like that vi, or some analog, is available on every *nix distribution
[16:55:40] <roycroft> i never have to worry about what's there
[16:55:50] <roycroft> although i have to fight linux to keep from having to deal with nano
[16:55:53] <Loetmichel_> XXCoder: i use mcedit ... stemming from a "dos" family ;)
[16:56:16] <XXCoder> nano is my favorite shell text editor when its really simpole
[16:56:21] <roycroft> i've learned a series of things to do immediately post-install to make linux tolerable for me
[16:56:33] <roycroft> nano drives me up a wall
[16:56:36] <roycroft> i can't stand to use it
[16:56:43] <XXCoder> why?
[16:56:51] <roycroft> because it's non-modal
[16:57:08] <roycroft> and because it consumes screen real estate
[16:57:26] <XXCoder> nano dont have a window
[16:57:37] <roycroft> it has that control-key crap at the bottom of the screen
[16:57:37] <XXCoder> unless theres gui nano I dont know about?
[16:57:43] <XXCoder> ahh
[16:57:45] <Loetmichel_> i never got around to get used to vi. i dont like the command-concept at all
[16:57:57] <Loetmichel_> (even tho i used microemacs on the amiga back in the days)
[16:58:04] <roycroft> my first unix editor was ed
[16:58:06] <XXCoder> loet if you like shortcuts and can remember all of it, emacs
[16:58:09] <roycroft> because that's what there was
[16:58:12] <roycroft> then we got ex
[16:58:14] <roycroft> then vi
[16:58:25] <roycroft> all within a span of a couple years
[16:58:38] <roycroft> then rms unleashed emacs
[16:58:43] <roycroft> and the world went to hell :P
[16:58:49] <XXCoder> I wonder what come first, ed or compiler lol
[16:58:50] <Loetmichel_> XXCoder: i like the mcedit because its similar usage as the old dos 3.3 editor had
[16:59:08] <XXCoder> (kidding)
[16:59:26] <roycroft> compilers existed before ed
[16:59:30] <Loetmichel_> roycroft: i can still remember when EMACS meant "Eight Megabytes Constantly Swapping)
[16:59:35] <roycroft> but ed was written before the unix compiler
[16:59:48] <roycroft> ken wrote an assembler, ed, and a shell
[16:59:59] <roycroft> and those were the first pieces of unix
[17:00:45] <roycroft> and now it's "eight gigs and constantly swapping" :P
[17:01:13] <XXCoder> lol
[17:01:22] <XXCoder> emacs, for when you need to run emacs in emacs
[17:01:51] <Loetmichel_> "emacs, a great OS, but really misses a good editor" ;)
[17:02:03] <XXCoder> lol
[18:07:58] <JT-Shop2> one more long home run to make and I don't know if I have the energy to start it tonight
[19:17:15] <ayjay_t> so is there a digikey for gears and the like?
[19:17:46] <ink_> mcmaster.com ?
[19:18:18] <BeachBumPete> spd/si?
[19:18:34] <ayjay_t> ooh mcmaster is great
[19:19:41] <Frank_6> any guess why my cr2 led from the 7i76 wont light up?
[19:20:32] <Frank_6> im thinking the switching psu doesnt have the v- to ground? and then it floats? i have pin 8 to ground, not to v-
[19:22:41] <Wolf_> spd for sure
[19:30:34] <sync_> Frank_6: measure it
[19:30:53] <Frank_6> no voltimeter around :(
[19:31:19] <sync_> wat
[19:34:12] <Frank_6> is it a problem if i connect ground pin to 0v?
[19:36:01] <sync_> there shouldn't be a problem
[19:37:16] <toner> yeah I love mcmaster-carr
[19:42:36] <Frank_6> okey now cr2 goes on (field power)
[20:12:02] <Wolf_> so… how do I get touchy to load… (too lazy to look it up) http://i.imgur.com/41O9OG0.jpg
[21:48:55] <pink_vampire> high speed spindle cnc machine https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8gpjv7lIqM
[21:50:03] <pink_vampire> Wolf_: the screen looks nice
[21:50:27] <Wolf_> thx
[21:56:10] <pink_vampire> servo based cnc machine https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4ptBpVOSuY
[21:57:49] <pink_vampire> look ant the Z axis mechanism
[21:57:56] <pink_vampire> Wolf_: ^
[21:58:03] <pink_vampire> at*
[21:58:50] <Wolf_> lol watching
[21:59:53] <Wolf_> that thing looks so ghetto
[22:03:24] <pink_vampire> I'm trying to looking for the crappiest cnc ever made
[22:03:39] <Wolf_> I think you may have found it
[22:03:58] <Wolf_> except that it works
[22:05:32] <pink_vampire> lol yeah..
[22:06:17] <Wolf_> got “newish” 15” touch screen tonight and a big ass tool post grinder
[22:07:23] <pink_vampire> guy with negative IQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEASEz4QI04
[22:11:21] <Wolf_> the fix for stupid, usually messy and painful
[22:11:36] <Jymmmm> And THATS why you have shittons od BRB's
[22:11:45] <Tom_L> you can't fix stupid
[22:12:01] <Wolf_> I disagree
[22:12:10] <Wolf_> take the warning labels off of everything
[22:12:11] <renesis> yeah education works
[22:12:27] <renesis> you have to force all the people to be smart
[22:12:30] <Wolf_> cure for stupid
[22:12:31] <renesis> with guns
[22:13:29] <Wolf_> I’m not sure how I feel about this touchscreen
[22:15:12] <Jymmmm> EIGHT FOOT robotic knives https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uju8LmiDkK8
[22:15:27] <pink_vampire> Wolf_: it's a capacitive or resistive one?
[22:16:09] <Wolf_> idk lol its a elo 2700
[22:20:37] <pink_vampire> elo is a very good brand,
[22:21:48] <roycroft> elo are pretty much the standard for touchscreens
[22:21:57] <roycroft> they were a pioneer of touchscreen technology
[22:22:08] <Wolf_> MPR II on this one
[22:26:27] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Matsuura-3-Sm-2-Spindle-MC-1000DV-DC-45-E-0591-air-/142204376945 $2k or best
[22:27:24] <roycroft> i am officially annoyed
[22:27:25] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Matsuura-MC-500V2-CNC-Vertical-Milling-Machine-Used-AM15888-/112264655906 $3k or best
[22:27:38] <roycroft> in the world of light stacks/light masts, the term "beacon" has a very specific meaning
[22:27:47] <roycroft> it's a focused lamp that rotates, as in a lighthouse
[22:28:09] <roycroft> on ebay, virtually every single listing for a light stack/light mast contains the word "beacon" in the title or description
[22:28:17] <roycroft> and virtually none of them have actual beacons
[22:28:30] <Wolf_> blinky light
[22:28:32] <roycroft> no
[22:28:37] <roycroft> a flashing light is not a beacon
[22:28:45] <Wolf_> yeah
[22:28:45] <roycroft> a rotating focused beam is a beacon
[22:29:05] <roycroft> there are steady lamps, flashing lamps, and beacon lamps in a light mast
[22:29:10] <Wolf_> not in chinglish
[22:29:41] <roycroft> see, on ebay one can get a 3 lamp light mast for $50 or less
[22:29:44] <Wolf_> or non-tech
[22:29:48] <roycroft> through distribution they are several hundred dollars
[22:29:53] <roycroft> so ebay is the option
[22:30:08] <roycroft> except it may take hundreds of dollars worth of time to find the right thing on ebay
[22:30:33] <roycroft> what i'm looking for is perhaps a bit unusual
[22:30:55] <roycroft> i want a green steady light on the bottom, amber steady light in the middle, and red beacon light on the top of the stack
[22:31:27] <Wolf_> I know where there are some large beacon lights...
[22:31:37] <roycroft> i want smallish ones
[22:31:41] <roycroft> and i want them to be leds
[22:31:46] <roycroft> and no annunciator
[22:31:47] <Wolf_> like 1.5 foot
[22:31:54] <roycroft> although i'm sure i could disable the annunciator
[22:32:21] <CaptHindsight> www.ebay.com/itm/Tsugami-T-SPL-Turret-Lathe-3000RPM-6-Position-Turret-Good-Condition/282137182759 worth it in parts! $500 or best
[22:32:52] <Wolf_> why are all these stupid things too far away
[22:33:14] <CaptHindsight> you live in the wrong places :)
[22:33:17] <Wolf_> I do need a lathe… a big lathe
[22:33:38] <roycroft> i'm back to looking at a 10x22
[22:34:05] <roycroft> i was going to go for a 13x36, but i'm realising that turning small parts on a big lathe can be a bit challenging
[22:34:13] <Wolf_> really want a gap bed engine lathe with at least 23” swing w/ the gap pulled
[22:34:16] <roycroft> so the 10x22 might be a good compromise
[22:34:31] <roycroft> with perhaps a larger one later if necessary
[22:35:18] <roycroft> there's a guy an hour south of here who has a grizzly 10x22 that he claims is in brand new condition
[22:35:21] <roycroft> he's asking $1k for it
[22:35:29] <roycroft> i might wander down and take a look at it
[22:35:58] <CaptHindsight> Rule #1 Pick the right parents.
[22:36:04] <roycroft> it has a threaded spindle, not camlock
[22:36:28] <roycroft> no left hand threading capability, but that's an easy mod
[22:36:33] <roycroft> no power cross feed
[22:36:38] <roycroft> that's the thing that bothers me the most
[22:37:22] <roycroft> there is a clamp on the chuck to hold it in position on the spindle, so it can safely be run in reverse
[22:37:37] <Wolf_> add servo/steppers then everything is power feed
[22:37:58] <roycroft> i don't know if i would cnc the lathe
[22:38:09] <roycroft> turning isn't my big thing
[22:38:22] <roycroft> but it's really hard to do lathe operations on a milling machine
[22:38:30] <roycroft> a lot harder than milling on a lathe
[22:38:37] <Wolf_> yeah
[22:38:48] <Wolf_> depends on the part size
[22:38:53] <roycroft> if i was told i could have a lathe or a mill, but not both, i'd choose a lathe every time
[22:39:54] <Wolf_> I should take the tool post grinder out of my car lol