#linuxcnc | Logs for 2017-01-19

[01:11:17] <Wolf_> archivist: tried the other probe head http://imgur.com/a/OoPHE
[01:30:21] <archivist> sure throws my pc into swap trying to load all images at once
[01:30:59] <Wolf_> oops
[01:31:08] <Wolf_> http://imgur.com/UsB6xDA
[01:31:17] <Wolf_> http://imgur.com/tD8f6tv
[01:36:18] <archivist> I wonder if I put the setup in a box would they sell :)
[01:37:29] <Wolf_> lol maybe
[01:37:31] <archivist> good contacts in the probe unlike 3 of mine
[01:38:19] <archivist> my LP2 is good,
[01:38:22] <Wolf_> sometimes, this one needs cleaned
[01:38:42] <Wolf_> getting some 500 hits
[01:40:35] <archivist> if the min figure is low, then the resistance rise was faster than the tard could see
[01:42:28] <Wolf_> could be the clips as well
[01:42:30] <archivist> if max is 50 greater than min then you really caught the rise in resistance
[01:43:06] <Wolf_> well, wouldnt close back after the hit
[01:43:42] <Wolf_> but this is the probe head that came full of cutting oil
[01:43:58] <archivist> ah that is dirt/older contacts, which is the problem with my TP probes
[01:44:57] <archivist> I wish the TP probes were easier to get inside
[01:57:08] <archivist> Wolf_, does the probe show the same problem with the MI5 interface
[01:57:59] <Wolf_> i dont i know, haven’t tried it
[01:59:49] <archivist> this is where 12v on the contacts could be better, my TP probe I used on the CMM did have the same problem
[02:09:44] <Wolf_> I need to get some pogo pins and make a body for this probe, and try to figure out if I can get the mp9 apart
[02:11:33] <archivist> I wonder if there is a local xray so I can tee how the TP comes apart, pressed/glued/screwed
[02:12:21] <Wolf_> what about the one guy off the eevblog
[02:12:42] <archivist> I never frequent that place
[02:14:04] <Wolf_> http://www.eevblog.com/forum/profile/?u=906 this guy
[02:14:11] <archivist> hmm could almost be usable with linuxcnc http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-16-Channel-12V-Relay-Module-For-Arduino-UNO-MEGA-2560-R3-ATMEL-ATMEGA-1280-/261370539080
[02:14:41] <archivist> only registered members.....
[02:14:46] <Wolf_> 16ch seems overkill
[02:15:03] <Wolf_> http://www.electricstuff.co.uk/
[02:15:05] <archivist> depends on the machine I suppose
[02:15:29] <Wolf_> he has surplus x-ray gear ;)
[02:16:26] <archivist> I have been to that site before because http://www.electricstuff.co.uk/venner.html
[02:17:39] <Wolf_> cool, he is the one who discovered the flir e4 hack
[02:19:39] <Wolf_> i’m using a 4 channel relay board like that ebay link on my x1 mill setup
[02:40:24] <Deejay> moin
[06:16:01] <jthornton> morning
[06:16:33] <XXCoder> hey jt
[06:16:49] <jthornton> wow overslept
[06:17:06] <XXCoder> check it out http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:1867325
[06:17:33] <jthornton> pretty cool
[06:18:00] <XXCoder> indeed
[06:18:06] <XXCoder> kinda tmpted to print it lol
[06:18:08] <XXCoder> but dunno
[06:20:26] <XXCoder> https://www.amazon.com/Diameter-Infinity-Mesmerizing-Battery-Powered/dp/B01N926V6E/
[06:20:31] <XXCoder> then design print something around it
[06:26:52] <jthornton> hmm I think Linux Mint 18 with the rt kernel is booting up...
[06:28:34] <jthornton> nope I get the dreaded busybox
[07:10:36] <MacGalempsy> good day guys
[07:44:29] <jthornton> rainy day here
[09:40:09] <gregcnc> macgalempsy lathe + tops = https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/onehundred/spyn-decision-making-made-fun?
[09:52:46] <CaptHindsight> I can't decide if I should order one or not
[09:54:33] <Jymmm> a pizza?
[09:54:47] <Jymmm> extra olives please
[09:58:41] <gregcnc> see if they will give you one to try, just make sure that it doesn't say "buy" on every side
[10:00:12] <archivist> if the writing is engraved then it is biased
[10:00:41] <archivist> even biased if painted writing just less biased
[10:01:46] <gregcnc> too much work, laser
[10:02:03] <gregcnc> doens't matter if it sells
[12:26:54] <Loetmichel> maan, i think my boss is getting old. Got a "to all" mail on wenedsday "FROM NOW ON _EVERY_ DELIVERY LEAVING OUR COMPANY HAS TO BE APPROVEND BY ME PERSONALLY!!!!" all co-workers: "???" ... today the postman brought back 3 PCs from a customer... someone forgot to install a Fiberoptic card in them... after a bit of seaching for the culprit it emerged that the boss had built, measured and shipped
[12:26:55] <Loetmichel> the three boxes himself. without going the "usual channels" so me, the production manager wasnt even aware of the order...
[12:29:51] <Jymmm> Nice
[12:35:32] <IchGucksLive> hi
[12:36:02] <IchGucksLive> so the trump show has begun
[12:39:24] <Wolf_> yup, I’m wondering how much stuff will be burning by tomorrow
[12:41:13] * Loetmichel is placing a bet that within 4 years you guys will have a version of the "hunger games" running.
[12:41:33] <Loetmichel> and changed constitution so the president is a job for life ;)
[12:43:05] <Wolf_> if I wore more tinfoil I would say that was going to happen in the morning before the swearing in lol
[12:43:18] <IchGucksLive> Loetmichel: i did cableing the whole day how in the world can peope do this for livetime
[12:43:51] <Wolf_> like pulling wires cabling?
[12:43:59] <Loetmichel> IchGucksLive: training
[12:44:11] <Loetmichel> Wolf_: thats what he meant
[12:44:17] <IchGucksLive> agree on that but in mind it is hard
[12:44:27] <Wolf_> low pay helpers :P
[12:44:33] <Wolf_> least thats what I did
[12:44:46] <Loetmichel> i would say he was doing electric enclosure wiring on a machine
[12:45:06] <IchGucksLive> Fire alarm need to move
[12:45:24] <Loetmichel> Wolf_: he is, as me, german. no untrained personell allowed in Electrics here
[12:45:25] <Wolf_> hmm, not sure which is worse then, that or pulling down work stations
[12:45:38] <Loetmichel> you have to be a certified electrician to even open the fuse box ;)
[12:46:06] <Wolf_> yeah, lot of that stuff here is suppose to be cert to do lol
[12:46:19] <Deejay> re
[13:38:08] <tommylight> Howdy folks, what's cookin ?
[13:40:22] <skunkworks> nothing at the moment...
[13:41:00] <tommylight> silent night?
[13:41:08] <tommylight> holy night
[13:41:11] <tommylight> nice
[13:41:50] <JT-Shop2> tommylight: you tried rick's thc on a plasma?
[13:42:37] <tommylight> no, i do not have a THCAD, forgot to order it when i got the other boards
[13:43:22] <tommylight> and i am working on the Elumatec retrofit, so i am not near any of the plamas
[13:43:40] <tommylight> leme have a look at the code
[13:46:18] <MacGalempsy> trying to get this low air alarm wired in, but a little confused. can someone tell me if I am correct in using a pull-down? http://content2.smcetech.com/pdf/gp46.pdf
[13:47:37] <MacGalempsy> the switch basically changes flips the common
[13:50:52] <tommylight> that is a relay MAC, so just connect the common and NO
[13:51:21] <tommylight> that should work without pull down, with it it will not
[13:51:23] <JT-Shop> tommylight: you were just commenting on the cut?
[13:51:31] <tommylight> yes
[13:51:40] <tommylight> it is quite impresive
[13:51:44] <JT-Shop> lol, I didn't want to say anything
[13:51:52] <tommylight> ????????
[13:52:31] <JT-Shop> about the cut
[13:53:34] <JT-Shop> I've always thought in the back of my mind that the thc comp could have been done a better way but it was the best I could figure out
[13:53:37] <tommylight> 1 inch over 1 1/2 inch is nice, but on the flat there are noticable signs of bunny hopping
[13:53:58] <MacGalempsy> ok. i got it. thanks
[13:54:13] <JT-Shop> the cut actually looks better going up the ramp
[13:54:25] <tommylight> i did try your comp a long time ago, but had to modify it to use just up/down signals
[13:54:32] <tommylight> it worked nicely
[13:54:41] <JT-Shop> I made a up/down comp
[13:54:48] <tommylight> but i did not test that kind of a slope
[13:55:03] <tommylight> Mac you are welcomed
[13:55:12] <JT-Shop> nor have I
[13:56:06] <roycroft> jt-shop: your website is still not secure
[13:56:40] <JT-Shop> no, I've not figured out how yet
[13:57:03] <JT-Shop> opencart has settings for it but not sure how to use them
[13:57:08] <tommylight> enable HTTPS service on the server
[13:57:24] <tommylight> and force all trafic to redirect to https
[13:57:28] <roycroft> i've no experience with opencart, but i run an isp for a living
[13:57:36] <roycroft> i set up secure websites all the time
[13:57:44] <roycroft> so if you have any questions i'd be happy to try to help
[13:57:50] <tommylight> i used opencart a while back
[13:58:04] <tommylight> and i owned several servers
[14:00:57] <tommylight> But Roy is much better at it, as i have not done that for the last 3 years
[14:01:20] <roycroft> i might be better at it :)
[14:02:10] <tommylight> Roy, where are you located
[14:02:37] <roycroft> oregon
[14:03:01] <tommylight> nice, i had a friend here from oregon a while back
[14:03:13] <tommylight> he spoke albanian perfectly
[14:03:21] <roycroft> i don't speak a word of it
[14:03:29] <roycroft> so between your friend and me we're half fluent
[14:03:35] <tommylight> lol
[14:03:38] <tommylight> yup yup
[14:03:44] <IchGucksLive> hi
[14:03:51] <IchGucksLive> Back from Firer Alarm
[14:03:54] <tommylight> ICH wilkomen bei uns
[14:03:56] <IchGucksLive> Chimnay Firer
[14:04:10] <tommylight> fire?
[14:04:13] <roycroft> feuer!
[14:04:14] <tommylight> not good
[14:04:18] <IchGucksLive> 5 engines on side
[14:04:34] <IchGucksLive> -17Deg C
[14:04:45] <IchGucksLive> no water use
[14:05:09] <roycroft> well ring up our incoming president
[14:05:16] <roycroft> he'll send out a team of hookers to pee on the fire for you
[14:05:23] <tommylight> lol
[14:06:12] <IchGucksLive> the party has already started in DC
[14:07:04] <tommylight> well i wont be there for sure
[14:07:06] <roycroft> and the mourning in much of the rest of the country
[14:07:29] <tommylight> i count myself as the rest of the country in that case
[14:08:01] <JT-Shop> I love instructions that tell you to go somewhere that is not there
[14:08:08] * JT-Shop goes back to work
[14:08:49] <tommylight> JT you'll be missed
[14:09:26] <IchGucksLive> 850.000 people how many will demonstrate
[14:10:24] <tommylight> ICH yo do not like trup, do you?
[14:11:54] <tommylight> neither do i so stand in line
[14:11:58] * roycroft is not a fan of either of this past election's main cnadidates
[14:12:29] <roycroft> imo it was the worst candidate lineup in this country in my lifetime
[14:12:43] <tommylight> i have to agree ROY
[14:12:47] <roycroft> but
[14:12:49] <roycroft> life will go on
[14:12:59] <roycroft> we'll get through it
[14:13:11] <roycroft> we're too great a nation for a lousy president to destroy us
[14:13:25] <roycroft> a statement i'd have made no matter who won
[14:13:36] <roycroft> my plan is to watch less news and make more chips
[14:13:44] <Wolf_> and its really the people in the other white building in DC messing the country up
[14:13:56] <roycroft> that's the thing
[14:14:07] <IchGucksLive> GN8
[14:14:08] <tommylight> agreed ROY ( can i say that since i have nearly US citzenship) ?
[14:14:10] <roycroft> "we hate the congress, so we're going to take it out on the presidency"
[14:14:32] <roycroft> "but we'll reelect the congresspeople we hate"
[14:14:58] <roycroft> i have to go try to find a new paint system now
[14:15:17] <tommylight> buy a robot ROY
[14:15:19] <roycroft> my local ppg dealer has been giving me a really hard time about wanting to continue using deltron
[14:15:29] <tommylight> teach it to paint and stand back and watch
[14:15:31] <roycroft> apparently i'm the only person in eugene who still uses it
[14:15:44] <roycroft> it's the paint, not the paint application system, that i need to change
[14:15:52] <tommylight> oh ok
[14:15:59] <roycroft> i'm using ppg deltron
[14:16:03] <tommylight> can not help with that
[14:16:08] <Wolf_> damn, i know a guy that has a bunch of paint robot parts
[14:16:20] <roycroft> which is a solvent-based urethane enamel
[14:16:24] <roycroft> it's a fantastic paint
[14:16:40] <roycroft> but the world have moved on to more modern products
[14:16:46] <roycroft> many of which are water-based
[14:17:17] <roycroft> the real problem is that my local ppg shop not only have an attitude about deltron, they haven't been helpful in suggesting a replacement system
[14:17:36] <roycroft> i'm quite willing to switch to something completely different
[14:17:51] <roycroft> in fact, i've been keeping stocks of paint products low in anticipation of that
[14:18:04] <sync_> switch over to standox
[14:18:09] <roycroft> i used up the last of my hardener last job i did, and i have onlya a tiny bit of reducer left
[14:18:19] <roycroft> i don't know what that is
[14:18:28] <roycroft> what i need is a product that a local supplier carries
[14:18:43] <roycroft> and i really want to stick with ppg if i can
[14:18:56] <roycroft> because the only other local industrial paint supplier are horrible to deal with
[14:19:03] <roycroft> they're a "christian" company
[14:19:13] <tommylight> ??????????????
[14:19:17] <roycroft> but not in the sense that they're good people - i have no problem with that
[14:19:27] <roycroft> in the sense that if i go in and ask about paint they ask me about jesus first
[14:19:35] <sync_> oh wow
[14:19:39] <sync_> yeah, no
[14:19:41] <tommylight> dang
[14:19:41] <roycroft> yeah, i don't know how they stay in business
[14:19:49] <roycroft> oregon is the second least church-going state in the union
[14:19:56] <roycroft> and eugene is probably the most heathen of all cities in oregon
[14:20:10] <roycroft> yet this small, family-owned bible thumping paint company manage to survive
[14:20:14] <Wolf_> whats the least church going?
[14:20:21] <roycroft> i just don't see the typical automotive painter putting up with that
[14:20:22] <roycroft> maine
[14:20:26] <roycroft> oregon used to be first
[14:20:31] <roycroft> but maine surpassed us a few years ago
[14:20:36] <tommylight> least people who go to church
[14:20:38] <djdelorie> "Jesus doesn't need paint, I do..."
[14:20:39] <roycroft> washington is close behind oregon
[14:20:55] <roycroft> anyway, i have a lot of respect for christians
[14:21:10] <roycroft> but none for them that try to shove their beliefs down my throat when i'm just trying to buy something
[14:21:11] <sync_> standox is one of the altaxa paint brands
[14:21:23] <roycroft> sync_: i need a local supplier
[14:21:25] <sync_> which was dupont coating systems at one point
[14:21:36] <roycroft> i'm looking for other options
[14:21:41] <tommylight> pgp has some water based colors, used here to paint cars
[14:21:49] <roycroft> there's a sherwin-williams industrial paint that is supposed to be great for machinery
[14:21:50] <tommylight> i do not know more about it
[14:22:10] <roycroft> but the closest sherwin-williams industrial store is in portland, which is two hours away
[14:22:25] <roycroft> yes, there are some good ppg water-based products
[14:22:37] <roycroft> there's even a newer formulation of deltron
[14:22:41] <sync_> I just order everything now, the local auto shops are either overpriced or assholes
[14:22:52] <roycroft> my problem is that the ppg folks don't want to talk to me aobut the new products
[14:22:54] <roycroft> about
[14:23:10] <tommylight> why? they are suposed to
[14:23:14] <roycroft> i do have concerns about water-based industrial paints
[14:23:15] <tommylight> strange
[14:23:29] <roycroft> i think i'm supposed to already know what i want, and they just give it to me
[14:23:31] <roycroft> anyway
[14:23:32] <tommylight> they need baking
[14:23:42] <roycroft> some of the water-based paints are far more toxic than solvent-based ones
[14:23:47] <roycroft> i do not have a fresh air respirator
[14:23:51] <tommylight> so that brings powder based coats to mind
[14:23:58] <roycroft> and i'd rather not have to buy one
[14:24:09] <roycroft> i'm not set up for powder coating
[14:24:12] <tommylight> Hallo Frank
[14:24:15] <roycroft> i don't want to deal with that
[14:24:16] <JT-Shop2> what is a ssl certificate and do you have to get it from your isp?
[14:24:33] <roycroft> ssl is a chain of trust system
[14:24:43] <roycroft> there are root certificates that are installed in every web browser
[14:24:54] <roycroft> and the roots sign intermediate certificaets
[14:25:00] <roycroft> and those sign the end certificates
[14:25:03] <tommylight> ssl certificate has to be registered and is used to verify the authetincity of a web site
[14:25:17] <roycroft> so if you install one and someone connects to your website, their browser looks at your certificate
[14:25:24] <roycroft> validates it against the root that is in the browser
[14:25:34] <roycroft> and if it is validated it will accept it as authentic
[14:25:46] <roycroft> then the web session is secure
[14:25:50] <roycroft> and you do need to purchase one
[14:25:54] <roycroft> i can sell you one fairly cheap
[14:25:59] <roycroft> or your isp probably can
[14:26:01] <tommylight> sorry for interfering ROY
[14:26:05] <roycroft> no worries
[14:26:18] <sync_> or you just do lets encrypt
[14:26:26] <roycroft> i think my cheap ones, which are perfectly valid, are $30/year
[14:26:27] <sync_> because ssl is broken anyway
[14:26:43] <roycroft> you do ssl because that's what every web browser does
[14:26:47] <roycroft> and that's what end users will use
[14:26:54] <roycroft> because they will not install anything to help out
[14:26:59] <roycroft> they will use what comes with their computer
[14:27:04] <sync_> that is why you use lets encrypt
[14:27:30] <tommylight> Sync is that software for windoze ?
[14:27:33] <sync_> no
[14:28:04] <tommylight> ok
[14:28:38] <roycroft> lets encrypt is a ca that is in every web browser?
[14:29:37] <JT-Shop2> $30 a year is cheapest I've seen
[14:29:49] <roycroft> jt-shop2: it's just a domain validation certificate
[14:29:53] <roycroft> which is all you really need
[14:30:03] <JT-Shop2> why the yearly charge?
[14:30:13] <roycroft> because certificates expire
[14:30:37] <roycroft> the cheap ones i sell are valid for 13 months, actually
[14:30:53] <roycroft> but the certificate has an expiration date built-in
[14:30:57] <JT-Shop2> when you purchase a certificate what do you have to do with it?
[14:31:10] <JT-Shop2> I'm clueless
[14:31:10] <roycroft> you need to install it in the web server configuration
[14:31:17] <roycroft> there is probably an automated way to do that with your hosting provider
[14:31:28] <JT-Shop2> I use webhost4life
[14:31:32] <tommylight> HI Andy
[14:31:40] <andypugh> Hai
[14:31:40] <roycroft> i need to go right now for a bit
[14:31:47] <roycroft> but i'll be happy to talk to you more about it later
[14:31:50] <tommylight> laters ROY
[14:31:50] <JT-Shop2> ok talk later
[14:31:54] <sync_> roycroft: yes
[14:31:56] <roycroft> and no obligation to buy a cert from me
[14:31:59] <roycroft> i'll help you regardless
[14:32:01] <JT-Shop2> I have to get back to work
[14:32:35] <tommylight> Andy ???
[14:32:49] <andypugh> Hmm?
[14:32:54] <sync_> JT-Shop2: they have some ssl shit on their website, they can probably help you
[14:32:59] <tommylight> oh good
[14:33:03] <tommylight> just checking
[14:33:21] <tommylight> i have to go eat something as my battery is low
[14:33:42] <tommylight> back in a short while
[14:43:31] <JT-Shop2> sync_: who has ssl shit?
[14:43:57] <tommylight> <-------- is back
[14:44:22] <tommylight> did i miss anything?
[14:50:11] <tommylight> kicked myself out
[14:54:35] <sync_> JT-Shop2: webhost4life
[14:55:33] <JT-Shop2> ah yea I've been reading some there
[15:04:06] <JT-Shop2> anyone care to register on the forum and post a test message in the test section?
[15:04:19] <Wolf_> sure
[15:05:03] <Wolf_> except that I missed where
[15:08:37] <andypugh> Wolf_: forum.linuxcnc.org ?
[15:11:04] * JT-Shop2 runs to get more 4 square boxes and will check on Wolf_ in a bit
[15:25:42] <tommylight> my tablet is acting up, posesed i gues, calling the exorcist
[15:38:13] <roycroft> so that was a productive lunch break
[15:38:22] <roycroft> my usual ppg guy was not there when i stopped in
[15:38:41] <roycroft> i spent about a half hour talking to his wife, and we've come up with two products that might work well for me
[15:40:57] <roycroft> both of which are way less expensive than what i've been using
[15:41:14] <roycroft> we're talking $71/gallon for one of them
[15:41:24] <roycroft> vs. the $96/pint i've been paying for delstar
[16:00:20] <JT-Shop2> Wolf_: thanks
[16:26:02] <enleth> any good resources on setting up stepper-based machines?
[16:26:24] <enleth> I'm trying to get ORAC to run smoothly and maximize the jog speeds at the same time
[16:26:53] <enleth> X works quite nicely, having relatively little mass to move
[16:27:15] <enleth> but Z, I can't really figure out
[16:33:43] <JT-Shop2> the wiki has some good stepper info
[16:34:12] <JT-Shop2> stepper speed is related to voltage, the higher the voltage is the faster you can go
[16:34:37] <JT-Shop2> err stepper rpm
[16:35:44] <enleth> I know the basics, not much experience though
[16:53:40] <JT-Shop2> http://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/reference/index.html
[16:59:28] <Nick-Shop> Is there a g code to send the machine back to the home switches rather than x0 which is 2.7 from home switch besides G53
[17:00:20] <JT-Shop2> g0 x-2.7
[17:01:06] <Nick-Shop> trying to avoid having to remember that
[17:01:20] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: And when he's an "unknown" distance from the home switches?
[17:03:03] <Nick-Shop> G53 G0 X0 Z0 is what I use now. I have X0 2.7 off to make xo centerline of spindle.
[17:03:04] <Wolf_> time to rehome
[17:03:55] <Nick-Shop> Is PYVCP installed with linuxcnc?
[17:03:58] <JT-Shop2> x0 should be at the end of - travel
[17:04:23] <JT-Shop2> the docs tell all
[17:04:49] <Nick-Shop> I have 2.7 in the ini file to move X0
[17:05:05] <JT-Shop2> bad practice to do that
[17:05:59] <Nick-Shop> expedient for setting tools on dia
[17:07:11] <Nick-Shop> also offset changes are in the right direction
[17:07:12] <Deejay> gn8
[17:49:39] <JT-Shop2> Wolf_: your test post showed up right away?
[17:49:51] <Wolf_> yeah
[17:50:10] <JT-Shop2> great, that means I fixed the first post is moderated
[17:50:35] <Wolf_> wait, did it need to be a new account ?
[17:57:54] <JT-Shop2> yea
[17:58:05] <Wolf_> ok sec
[17:58:52] <andypugh> Anyone know of a neat way to demountably mount a gear to a thin-walled tube?
[17:59:11] <roycroft> crazy glue!
[17:59:36] <andypugh> I should have specified, demountable with tools, not heat.
[18:01:06] <Tom_L> maybe a kludge but what about a C ring clamp on the tube with screws horizontal to the gear?
[18:01:09] <JT-Shop2> super glue has a solvent
[18:01:53] <roycroft> a solvent could be considered a tool
[18:02:15] <Wolf_> JT-Shop2: yeah, post shows up from new account immediately
[18:02:25] <andypugh> Cool
[18:02:31] <roycroft> especially if it's repackaged in a syringe that's labeled "gear removal tool" and priced at 15x what it is worth
[18:02:35] <JT-Shop2> normally you use a tapered bushing bore
[18:02:55] <andypugh> A tapered bore is one idea.
[18:03:06] <JT-Shop2> for pulleys anyway
[18:03:21] <JT-Shop2> QD bushings
[18:03:32] <andypugh> I have 4 bits of K&S telescopic tubing, and i want to have 4 gears mounted on them, coaxially with each other.
[18:03:35] <JT-Shop2> Wolf_: thanks
[18:03:40] <Tom_L> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/maxbot/image016.jpg
[18:03:47] <Tom_L> somewhat like that
[18:04:05] <Tom_L> only i used a setscrew
[18:04:08] <andypugh> A taper bush might squeeze too much and stop them running freely on each other, is my concern.
[18:04:34] <archivist> solder
[18:04:41] <Tom_L> non heat method
[18:05:06] <andypugh> Internal and external splined, and a threaded retainer would work. But would mean making 4 different splining tools…
[18:05:37] <Tom_L> or a single key slot?
[18:05:42] <JT-Shop2> super glue
[18:06:06] <Tom_L> you said thinwall tube though
[18:07:17] <andypugh> Yes. .343” OD, 0.314” ID
[18:07:23] <Tom_L> http://www.sdp-si.com/products/productimages/Gear-types.jpg
[18:07:32] <Tom_L> alot of those use a c clamp arrangement
[18:07:40] <Tom_L> with a slit
[18:08:25] <Tom_L> can you make it part of the gear like shown?
[18:10:29] <andypugh> Interesting, I haven’t seen that before
[18:14:47] <Wolf_> they have these as well http://www.sdp-si.com/products/Shaftloc-and-Accessories/index.php
[18:16:58] <Wolf_> one with slit http://www.sdp-si.com/products/Fairloc/Index.php
[18:24:36] * JT-Shop2 listens to Comfortably Numb then wanders inside to start chow
[18:25:03] <Jymmm> love pink floyd
[18:25:36] <JT-Shop2> Mr. Floyd
[18:26:35] <Tom_L> andypugh, they show the slot better here and explain how it's cut: http://www.sdp-si.com/products/Fairloc/Index.php
[18:32:16] <roycroft> folks who use touch screens:
[18:32:31] <roycroft> is a 15" display enough real estate to comfortably use linuxcnc?
[18:32:50] <Wolf_> I hope so, seeing thats what I have a line on for $50
[18:33:03] <roycroft> i have a 15" and a couple 17" touchscreen displays
[18:33:03] <JT-Shop2> for touchy yes
[18:33:10] <roycroft> both the 17" ones are scratched up on the front
[18:33:23] <roycroft> and they're big
[18:33:38] <roycroft> 15" leaves me more room for buttons and joysticks
[18:33:55] <Wolf_> doesn’t seem that big, but I’m sitting in front of 2 27
[18:34:00] <Wolf_> 27”
[18:34:19] <roycroft> it's all relative
[18:34:32] <roycroft> i have a 27" and a 21" display in my office
[18:34:40] <roycroft> and i would not mind larger ones for there
[18:34:47] <roycroft> but out in the shop, a 17" display is pretty big
[18:34:54] <Wolf_> yeah, not like you couldnt add hardware buttons below the touchscreen
[18:35:56] <andypugh> This is what I had come up with, but it’s a fair bit of effort: https://imagebin.ca/v/39TYDE1qGa5K
[18:36:47] <Tom_L> probably wouldn't take any torque
[18:36:56] <andypugh> Touchy _expects_ hardware buttons
[18:37:05] <Tom_L> and i wasn't sure you wanted to slot it
[18:37:52] <archivist> the tube will bend inwards
[18:37:52] <Tom_L> if you didn't wanna waste all the extra brass turning it down you could attach one to the side of it
[18:38:00] <andypugh> I think it should take about half the max torque of the tube, and I expect it to be a lot lower than that.
[18:38:35] <roycroft> i'm going to mock up the cnc controller console, probably out of plywood or something
[18:38:39] <archivist> is this for clock?
[18:38:58] <roycroft> so i can experiment with displays, but i think i'm going to give the 15" one a go
[18:39:05] <andypugh> archivist: Yes
[18:39:16] <roycroft> andypugh: there will be hardware buttons regardless of what size display i use
[18:39:17] <archivist> andypugh, had pipe?
[18:39:22] <archivist> hand
[18:39:34] <archivist> rivet
[18:39:35] <andypugh> hard?
[18:39:49] <roycroft> it's a matter of where they placed, and how big the console ends up being
[18:40:16] <andypugh> archivist: I want to be able to undo it, otherwise Loctite would be ideal.
[18:40:28] <archivist> the tubes the hands are mounted on are known as pipes in clocks
[18:40:43] <archivist> press fit
[18:41:26] <archivist> usually riveted
[18:41:54] <andypugh> roycroft: This is my Touchy-touchscreen: https://goo.gl/photos/3gfx5AMLkgzntXrK8
[18:42:28] <andypugh> Though it now has a proper MPG
[18:43:06] <andypugh> archivist: These are not hand-pipes then
[18:43:25] <archivist> what part of the train
[18:43:54] <andypugh> A rather unique one :-), with no conventional name
[18:44:12] <roycroft> that's yuuuuuge, andypugh
[18:44:24] <roycroft> and btw
[18:44:26] <andypugh> roycroft: It’s a little mill
[18:44:28] <roycroft> when discussing display sizes
[18:44:31] <roycroft> i am old
[18:44:35] <roycroft> so that makes a difference
[18:44:51] <roycroft> i'll give it a go with the 15"
[18:45:00] <archivist> andypugh, well I made an epicyclic gear box with annular input for a clock
[18:45:03] <roycroft> unfortunately that display is a standard display with desk stand
[18:45:23] <roycroft> the 17" ones are open frame kiosk models, which would be easier to mount
[18:45:41] <andypugh> archivist: This is for the 4 coaxial output shafts from the differential.
[18:45:47] <roycroft> i have a cart that will hold the electronics
[18:45:56] <roycroft> and i'll be building a console to sit on top of the cart
[18:46:22] <roycroft> it will have a keyboard (horizontal) and the touch screen display and the hardware buttons/joysticks will be on a riser
[18:46:31] <archivist> andypugh, is inside the barrel http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2008/2008_07_15_Webb_Clock/P1010006.JPG
[18:47:29] <roycroft> and i do have plenty of hammers and saws, so i can convert the 15" display to open frame
[18:47:39] <andypugh> archivist: Shiny!
[18:48:01] <archivist> clocks are supposed to be shiny :)
[18:48:09] <roycroft> but since the machine is currently on the bench, i can test touchy on the 15" and see if it will work for me before i remodel it
[18:48:44] <archivist> andypugh, you can see the output on the left of the barrel http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2008/2008_10_07_Webb_clock/p1010007.jpg
[18:49:23] <archivist> weight driven and maintaining power, dc motor wound
[18:49:29] <roycroft> i still have a 15" elo crt touch screen display from about 25 years ago, with an rs-232 interface
[19:09:30] <andypugh> archivist: I wonder if https://imagebin.ca/v/39TiFmvAw86y would work, with the grub-screw hole delibrately only partially cut with a taper tap?
[19:29:25] <MacGalempsy> what a push. just about ready to power up and test signals
[19:49:13] <Wolf_> cool
[19:49:22] <MacGalempsy> hi Wolf_
[19:59:48] <Wolf_> evening
[20:12:38] <MacGalempsy> everything going good today?
[20:14:48] <Wolf_> yup
[20:15:09] <MacGalempsy> things are good here. going to take a holiday tomorrow
[20:18:02] <MacGalempsy> ordered a couple of 2 pole relays so I can wire up the turret motor, so once those get in, I think it will be ready to do the classic ladder programming
[20:18:26] <Wolf_> nice
[20:34:44] <roycroft> nice, i just got a panel-mount stainless steel keyboard for $30
[20:35:04] <Wolf_> cool
[20:35:28] <roycroft> i don't plan on making messes near the cnc controller
[20:35:52] <roycroft> but life does not always work out as planned
[20:40:40] <MacGalempsy> score
[20:56:34] <jdh> I make messes everyone
[20:56:38] <jdh> everywhere
[21:46:32] <MacGalempsy> dangit!!! I got the last wire in, looked at the base of the box and there is a cap from the 7i77 laying there!
[21:48:08] <roycroft> i've been struggling with a wheezy install on my linuxcnc machine for hours
[21:48:21] <roycroft> i've never had such problems installing debian
[21:50:08] <MacGalempsy> fuck. ok I got the board out and itr looks like the cap can be resoldiered.
[21:51:36] <MacGalempsy> anyone know the recommended temp?
[21:54:06] <Wolf_> i run my iron at 600-650F
[21:55:37] <malcom2073> Heya MacGalempsy, did some more milling today: https://scontent.fphl2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/16143274_1517811694899873_6788677441474641244_n.jpg?oh=cf96ff8b27516b4ef9f86d23b373343d&oe=591642E6
[21:56:08] <malcom2073> I've been doing those grooves with a ball-end mill... but I think I have a workable solution to use my profile cutter which should be way faster
[21:57:54] <Wolf_> this is why you need a horizontal mill :P
[21:59:28] <malcom2073> Yeah, I got a proper cutter. Gonna mount the peice vertically and do it that way
[21:59:41] <malcom2073> Got some big-ass right angle plate I can mount it to
[22:00:06] <malcom2073> I do not want, or need a horizontal mill :)
[22:03:45] <Wolf_> lol
[22:10:21] <roycroft> i have a horizontal mill
[22:10:31] <roycroft> it is a sheldon
[22:10:37] <roycroft> and it is A Good Thing(tm)
[22:11:48] <MacGalempsy> man, I think this board is fucked. two of these caps just fell off
[22:12:32] <MacGalempsy> and they are tiny.
[22:14:27] <Wolf_> what the hell, caps shouldn’t just fall off
[22:15:27] <MacGalempsy> pcw_home: do you guys offer repair on the 7i77?
[22:15:46] <roycroft> sounds like a friday board
[22:16:24] <MacGalempsy> i cant even find the little one because its so small
[22:16:39] <roycroft> if it's that small it can't be very important
[22:16:56] <MacGalempsy> and this fucker was $200
[22:17:10] <Wolf_> lol I don’t think it works that way roy
[22:17:28] <roycroft> well
[22:17:40] <roycroft> just tape a penny over the cap pads on the pcb
[22:17:45] <roycroft> and call it good
[22:17:50] <MacGalempsy> lol.
[22:18:08] <roycroft> did you just buy this 7i77?
[22:18:29] <MacGalempsy> no got it at the end of 2013
[22:18:43] * roycroft will stop making jokes, as it's out of warranty
[22:18:44] <MacGalempsy> but I havent had a lot of hours of use on it
[22:19:01] <MacGalempsy> yeah, thats why im asking about repair service
[22:20:13] <MacGalempsy> literally got the last wire on, looked down and saw the cap and thought I might have knocked if off the board I just built
[22:20:53] <roycroft> field repairs of surface mount components is possible, but difficult
[22:21:14] <roycroft> so if mesanet can't/won't repair, you could give it a go before binning the board
[22:21:46] <MacGalempsy> I could have gotten the bigger cap back on, but even my smallest tip couldnt do the very little one
[22:22:11] <roycroft> hook a needle up to a battery
[22:22:13] <Wolf_> I have stuff for smd repair work
[22:22:28] <roycroft> wolf_ will fix it for you!
[22:22:51] <Wolf_> still odd that parts are falling off
[22:22:52] <MacGalempsy> since I have 2 other mesas, I'll just have to knuckle up and buy one from JT tomorrow
[22:23:09] <roycroft> if you can afford it, buying a new one would be good
[22:23:16] <roycroft> and then trying to get that one repaired as a spare
[22:23:21] <MacGalempsy> i have no choice
[22:23:23] <Wolf_> well, if you can’t get it fixed, don’t bin it
[22:24:27] <MacGalempsy> i'll buy one and hopefully they can repair this one
[22:25:40] <MacGalempsy> on that note, im going to call it a day and cry myself to sleep! lol
[22:25:48] <Wolf_> lol
[22:25:58] <MacGalempsy> l8r