#linuxcnc | Logs for 2017-01-14

[01:53:45] <Wolf_> archivist: got the argiuno hooked up, and sorta working…
[01:55:56] <archivist> Wolf_, mine has become unreliable, cable problems mainly
[01:56:32] <Wolf_> mine is reading NAN for force
[01:56:55] <Wolf_> and I’m not sure if I have the 1k pull up in the right place
[01:57:01] <archivist> in the calibrate?
[01:57:42] <archivist> if not calibrated then you will get nan
[01:57:58] <Wolf_> calibrate keeps saying 0
[01:59:50] <archivist> you could bypass the calibrate and set the constant
[01:59:57] <Wolf_> loading it back up now
[02:01:37] <Wolf_> calibration weight set to 50
[02:01:37] <Wolf_> reading load cell 0.00
[02:01:38] <Wolf_> calibration factor was0.00 old factor was0.00 new factor is0.00 nan
[02:01:39] <archivist> I should have written a sequence on the web page, but tried to do that via the serial monitor
[02:03:05] <Wolf_> 500g load cell won’t throw it all off will it?
[02:03:10] <archivist> in the code it tries to sense silly eeprom data and start with sense
[02:03:43] <archivist> no 500g is ok, I have played with 100g 3000g and 100kg
[02:04:12] <Wolf_> http://i.imgur.com/prVwpxe.jpg http://i.imgur.com/Ek77Gco.jpg
[02:05:36] <archivist> until the scale factor is sensible the probe code will suffer
[02:06:13] <archivist> you have good contacts in that probe
[02:06:52] <Wolf_> or I have the pull up wrong lol right now its on 5 > ground
[02:07:09] <Wolf_> err A1 > gnd
[02:07:44] <archivist> well it saw the rise in resistance
[02:08:36] <Wolf_> yeah it is picking up the contact
[02:09:06] <archivist> what I never did was start from a known empty eeprom so the cal programs probably needs a fix
[02:10:19] <Wolf_> I know the load cell is working, pulled a hx711 library down with a example and it picks up the weight for sure
[02:11:11] <archivist> probe wont work without the cal program storing the scale factor in eeprom
[02:11:59] <archivist> unless you hack the code to use a constant and not the eeprom value
[02:13:16] <archivist> I wall have to mess with the display a bit more due to how slow the new LCD is
[02:13:18] <Wolf_> well eeprom only has values at address 5,6
[02:13:59] <Wolf_> just loaded eprom_read example…
[02:14:27] <Wolf_> showing 0 for most everything, 5 - 128, 6- 50
[02:15:27] <archivist> in the calibrate serial monitor, use 0n to set the first, then t then place weight then type 50g
[02:15:48] <archivist> then s to see what is stored
[02:16:36] <archivist> I see I need to expand the calibrate instructions
[02:17:24] <Wolf_> now just 6 =50
[02:17:34] <archivist> what I was doing was calibrating 3000g into 1 and 100g into 0 so was set up for two load cells
[02:17:52] <Wolf_> yeah, that makes sense
[02:18:32] <archivist> and currently the probe code has no way to chose which load cell scale to use
[02:19:18] <Wolf_> heh, I’m rusty at this stuff, took me 4-5 hrs just to get the code working for this i2c display
[02:21:18] <Wolf_> examples arent helpful unless you want to draw a circle or just do one line of text lol
[02:28:37] <archivist> this is me running a cal cycle on it http://www.archivist.info/cnc/Arduino_Probe_Interface/Screenshot-4.png
[02:32:06] <Wolf_> Queuetue_HX711_Library using that getting a ~82938.00 base line and 84430.00 ish with the 50g weight
[02:33:58] <archivist> I have some real error on mine the scale keeps drifting, the horrible crimp connectors have needed some fixing today
[02:35:00] <Wolf_> mine is picking up the hdd in my desktop computer
[02:35:48] <archivist> I hate it when something that was reliable suddenly becomes bad
[02:36:08] <Wolf_> yeah…
[02:36:41] <Wolf_> I don’t understand how most of this code works, so I have no idea whats not working
[02:43:09] <Wolf_> its like the calibrate isn’t seeing the load cell at all
[02:45:23] <archivist_> I keep getting the tarduiono rebooting, now it is not reading the hx711
[02:50:13] <archivist_> changed HX711 board and working again
[02:52:18] <archivist_> added a new function to the calibrate, w it weighs
[02:53:17] <archivist_> so is it the cable/connectors or the HX711 board
[02:55:40] <Wolf_> redefinition of 'float calfactor0' error
[02:56:59] <Deejay> moin
[02:57:06] <archivist_> it is compiling here, I have noticed the editor seems to do random pastes in odd places
[02:57:09] <Wolf_> oh wait.. derp
[02:57:59] <Wolf_> put .old on the last one, it loaded it anyways in a tab
[02:58:46] <archivist_> yes the IDE has a mind of its own.......
[02:58:59] <Wolf_> still reading 0.00
[02:59:31] <Wolf_> says nang for weight lol
[03:00:13] <archivist_> until a sensible cal cycle done
[03:01:18] <Wolf_> 0n, t, 50g, calibration factor was0.00
[03:02:25] <archivist_> the code should see that the old cal factor was 0 and stuff something in to make it work
[03:03:58] <Wolf_> still only getting address 5, 6 written
[03:05:11] <archivist_> 0 needs an int 2 is the first float for cell 0
[03:06:02] <archivist_> how ever many bytes that uses
[03:06:18] <Wolf_> no idea here…
[03:08:13] <archivist_> internet says 4 bytes, 2,3,4,5 I put the weight you called with in the next int
[03:09:27] <Wolf_> I have no idea what that means, I’m pretty clueless when it come to programming
[03:12:21] <archivist_> it means it is storing two values
[03:13:11] <archivist_> just added a test for 0 in the cal factor to try and test for that
[03:13:23] <archivist_> uploaded already
[03:14:23] <archivist_> I though I had an error again, picked up the 50g weight and cal'd at 100g...
[03:15:22] <Wolf_> http://pastebin.com/vmPxbeFx
[03:15:32] <Wolf_> progress I think
[03:16:31] <archivist_> run through again
[03:17:06] <archivist_> when I stuff in some start value it needs a second cycle
[03:18:17] <Wolf_> hmm http://pastebin.com/gTM28Aw5
[03:19:20] <Wolf_> reading 0.00g
[03:22:51] <archivist_> seeing calibration factor was-600.00 shows me that the line if(isnan(Calibration_factor)||(Calibration_factor==0)){ is being triggered
[03:24:08] <archivist_> type 0n then s
[03:24:20] <archivist_> what address does it say
[03:24:35] <Wolf_> address is 2
[03:24:45] <archivist_> that is ok
[03:25:11] <Wolf_> stored factor is -1200.00 weight 50
[03:26:25] <Wolf_> ugh, 4am I need sleep lol
[03:27:01] <archivist_> that seems ok, then why on the next cal cycle does it not read that -1200
[03:27:21] <archivist_> I am about to get breakfast
[03:38:47] <rilliam> anybody know where FU1 is on the jnmydy 40w power supply is?
[04:35:24] <Holzwurm> Hello, I have a problem with serial communication error. Is the dmsg-file save on directory? Can some say me where is this and can i print it out? Thanks
[04:36:28] <archivist> you can open a terminal and type dmesg
[04:37:57] <XXCoder> archivist: I finally ordered a spind;e
[04:40:58] <Holzwurm> Thanks archivist. It's equal in what directory i open the terminal?
[04:41:50] <archivist> dmesg does not care in knows where the data is
[04:41:55] <archivist> in/it
[04:43:57] <archivist> type man dmesg to see the manual and how to save the contents where you want
[04:47:34] <Holzwurm> Is there not a directory where Linuxcnc or mesa writes this dmsg-file?
[04:48:19] <XXCoder> if I recall right its from severial files at various places but might be wrong.
[04:49:38] <archivist> dmesg > yourcopy.txt if you want it in a local directory
[05:04:00] <Holzwurm> Hello I open a terminal on the desktop and type dmsg answer was: bash: dmsg: Kommando nicht gefunden also man dmsg Kein Handbucheintrag für dmsg gefunden
[05:05:50] <archivist> missing e error at line one
[05:07:01] <Deejay> :)
[05:07:42] <Deejay> you may find more logs in /var/logs/
[05:13:38] <Holzwurm> Hello thanks for your help. I was crazy the filename is demsg
[05:18:47] <XXCoder> hey archivist ?
[05:20:56] <Deejay> Holzwurm, wrong again. the command is dmesg ;)
[05:21:08] <XXCoder> im sure thats typo
[05:36:21] <XXCoder> hm think arch has me on ignore. okay
[05:47:38] <jthornton> morning
[05:47:44] <XXCoder> hey jthornton
[05:48:00] <XXCoder> ordered a spindle finally
[05:48:03] <XXCoder> its pwm type
[05:48:10] <XXCoder> well comes with owm board anyway
[05:48:15] <jthornton> which one?
[05:48:19] <XXCoder> sec
[05:48:48] <XXCoder> http://www.ebay.com/itm/301641324807
[05:48:58] <Deejay> afternoon
[05:49:57] <jthornton> even comes with some collets
[05:50:08] <XXCoder> yeah that'll be my second set. whee :P
[05:50:24] <jthornton> is the mount the right one?
[05:50:51] <XXCoder> it wont be used
[05:51:37] <XXCoder> that one is one and only spindle I could find that has this combination - pwm controller, power box, 52mm diameter spindle
[05:51:48] <XXCoder> other 2 items are moot
[05:52:16] <XXCoder> since ordering any of those seperately is more expensive with just 3 items than tht one 5 items
[05:53:43] <jthornton> 3k-12k rpm seems a good range
[05:53:49] <XXCoder> yeah
[05:53:59] <XXCoder> http://www.ebay.com/itm/231637326487'
[05:54:11] <XXCoder> it maxes out at 10k but hopefully will work
[05:54:27] <XXCoder> I think sensor can go behind 10k
[05:54:28] <jthornton> listing removed
[05:54:36] <XXCoder> oh
[05:54:48] <XXCoder> well its induction sensor with tach display
[05:55:23] <jthornton> you had a ' at the end of the link that messed it up
[05:55:31] <XXCoder> oh sorry
[06:01:08] <Holzwurm> I had to up update my 7i77. The machine has no internet connection. I have download the sserial and when i type ./ssinstall comes the message: command not found
[06:01:52] <archivist> XXCoder, nope I was away from kb
[06:01:59] <jthornton> you flash with mesaflash
[06:02:27] <XXCoder> oh was wondering because you said something before and after. made me wonder why lol
[06:03:50] <XXCoder> jt, any design tips? im been trying to think up an inductor/50mm fan / 40mm fan holder thing
[06:03:55] <XXCoder> but no idea how to design it,
[06:04:07] <XXCoder> usually can design it but this ones a puzzler
[06:05:01] <jthornton> that would be fun, I've got a laptop fan on the way to test with
[06:05:14] <XXCoder> I have way too many 50mm duct fans lol
[06:05:34] <jthornton> I stuck my allen wrench in the 40mm fan and one blade broke off so I broke off the opposite one lol
[06:05:43] <XXCoder> fancy
[06:05:51] <jthornton> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Engraving-machine-spindle-speed-digital-display-tachometer/32753185509.html?ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_1_10065_10068_10000009_10084_10000025_10083_10000029_10080_10082_10081_10000028_10110_10111_10112_10060_10113_10062_10114_10056_10055_10054_10059_10099_10078_10079_10000022_10000012_10103_10073_10102_10000015_10096_10000018_10000019_10052_10053_10107_10050_10106_10051,searchweb201603_2,afswitch_5,single_sor
[06:05:51] <jthornton> t_1_default&btsid=98461051-82b4-469a-895c-d733b50563f8
[06:06:05] <XXCoder> you can strip everything after html
[06:06:25] <jthornton> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Engraving-machine-spindle-speed-digital-display-tachometer/32753185509.html
[06:06:32] <XXCoder> thats double mine interesting
[06:06:45] <jthornton> yea stupid aliexpress links
[06:06:52] <jthornton> it can read up to 50k
[06:07:06] <jthornton> Holzwurm: what are you trying to do to the 7i77?
[06:07:06] <XXCoder> odd because display is 4 digut
[06:08:11] <XXCoder> ahhh
[06:08:24] <XXCoder> it displays x.xxx for above 10k
[06:08:30] <jthornton> yep
[06:09:11] <XXCoder> i'll test one I ordered and see if linuxcnc can read it above 10k
[06:09:17] <XXCoder> if not that one can order
[06:10:37] <jthornton> I don't see any output from that tach
[06:11:01] <jthornton> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00MJU6JR2/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
[06:11:07] <XXCoder> yeah was wondering just now
[06:11:15] <jthornton> going to try and use that for a print fan
[06:11:25] <jthornton> may get another one after I look at it
[06:11:34] <XXCoder> mine https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00EL938E6/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o06_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
[06:12:05] <XXCoder> I planned to cut one of those fans (if I find which one is bad) so I can use plug for powering my induction fan
[06:12:12] <jthornton> lol a 5 pack for 5 bucks
[06:12:14] <XXCoder> but then I acciently ordered 30mm fan with it
[06:12:25] <XXCoder> so I used that, so I still have all 5
[06:13:24] <jthornton> oh yours are 5v
[06:14:23] <XXCoder> so its waste of money. wonderful. lol
[06:16:06] <jthornton> https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=112029
[06:21:52] <jthornton> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/3-3V-5V-12V-Multi-Output-Voltage-Conversion-DC-DC-12V-to-3-3V-5V-12V/32736992749.html?ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_1_10065_10068_10000009_10084_10000025_10083_10000029_10080_10082_10081_10000028_10110_10111_10112_10060_10113_10062_10114_10056_10055_10054_10059_10099_10078_10079_10000022_10000012_10103_10073_10102_10000015_10096_10000018_10000019_10052_10053_10107_10050_10106_10051,searchweb201603_2,afswitch_5,
[06:21:52] <jthornton> single_sort_1_default&btsid=c8cfa1d2-a6db-4d49-98ac-639caeff2818
[06:22:23] <jthornton> sorry
[06:22:24] <XXCoder> interesting but nah will order 12v version
[06:22:26] <jthornton> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/3-3V-5V-12V-Multi-Output-Voltage-Conversion-DC-DC-12V-to-3-3V-5V-12V/32736992749.html
[06:33:30] <jthornton> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voltage_divider
[06:33:45] <XXCoder> im using one for induction sensor
[06:34:33] <jthornton> the induction sensor is 5v?
[06:34:45] <XXCoder> it must be 12v
[06:34:53] <XXCoder> but input for data is 5v
[06:35:09] <XXCoder> so I used volt divider on input so its approx 6v close enough
[06:36:25] <jthornton> do the same thing for the fans
[06:37:19] <XXCoder> it doesnt work with PWM
[06:51:36] <XXCoder> it's fine, really
[06:51:51] <XXCoder> 5 bucks is very little for me
[07:17:36] <jthornton> https://ibin.co/38r9vsBsl5hd.png
[07:27:15] <Holzwurm> Now I connect the machine to the www. I update with sudo apt-get update mesaflash answer newest firmware . When starting Linuxcnc Message sserial reomte device 7i77 channel 0 has old firmware that should be updated
[07:34:56] <jthornton> http://www.forum.linuxcnc.org/forum/27-driver-boards/29316-updating-mesa-5i25-and-7i77-firmware
[07:53:16] <JT-Shop> yuck it's raining
[09:34:05] <Wolf_> archivist: any further progress?
[09:35:22] <archivist> I thought, maybe you had the pins swapped on the load cell, so set 3, plugged in random cell calibrated, reversed the pins, recalibrated... worksforme
[09:36:08] <archivist> I changed the prompts to drive the user a bit but nothing else
[09:36:12] <Wolf_> yeah, like i said, I checked the load cell with a example sketch
[09:36:30] <archivist> fixed my wiring to get reliability back
[09:36:47] <Wolf_> but even with pins swapped you get data (sorta)
[09:37:15] <archivist> the cal factor reverses sign :)
[09:37:39] <Wolf_> on the hx711 I mean
[09:37:43] <archivist> I was wondering why the original example was negative
[09:38:41] <archivist> the cal routine managed to swap the sign of the cal factor, just worked
[09:39:15] <Wolf_> what line to add to the calibration sketch to get it to show actual data value from the hx711
[09:39:35] <Wolf_> or whats the value call
[09:43:00] <archivist_> looks like read() to get a raw value
[09:43:20] <archivist_> scale.read()
[09:45:01] <Wolf_> returns a 0 in the cal prog
[09:45:45] <Wolf_> should be a raw number I would think
[09:45:59] <MrSunshine> phew lucky we got angle grinders today .. 2 hours to lower the pads to where they are level on the front side of the machine ... next up .. backside =)
[09:46:04] <archivist_> have you wired it for some other code which you tested it with and now using the wrong pins
[09:46:40] <Wolf_> no, I double checked that, I wired everything for your code figuring on it being changed/reloaded the most
[09:47:34] <Wolf_> A3 Dout and A2 CLK
[09:47:39] <archivist_> the HX711 code is un modified from the internet
[09:48:30] <Wolf_> where from?
[09:49:47] <archivist_> https://github.com/bogde/HX711
[09:52:21] <archivist_> ew looks like there was a commit on the 11th after I got the code
[09:53:01] <Wolf_> getting it to try the example with my hardware
[10:01:38] <Wolf_> ok example it working
[10:05:36] <Wolf_> http://pastebin.com/ddrK3rBa with scale.begin(A3, A2); using the HX711SerialBegin example from that GitHub
[10:07:35] <Wolf_> archivist_: so that part seems to work...
[10:11:44] <archivist> hard for me at this distance to see what you are doing/changing
[10:13:25] <Wolf_> I didn’t change anything, I just got the example from the GitHub you linked, changed the DOUT and CLK to match and ran it
[10:17:48] <archivist_> Like I said earlier you can stuff in a scale constant instead of the cal routine but will have to fiddle the code a tiny bit
[10:23:15] <archivist_> this is where I got the initial use of that library https://learn.sparkfun.com/tutorials/load-cell-amplifier-hx711-breakout-hookup-guide
[10:28:54] <Holzwurm> Hello, when i not log in, are there the messages in the log off time lost or in what kind of way can i see them? Thanks
[10:29:07] <Wolf_> lod
[10:29:09] <Wolf_> log
[10:29:09] <c-log> Wolf_: Today's Log http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:82/~tom-itx/irc/logs/%23linuxcnc/2017-01-14.html
[10:29:47] <Wolf_> archivist_: so, just tried compile with the newer cpp… no go it seems
[10:30:51] <Wolf_> oh wait. its trying to use both the local cpp and the library...
[10:31:38] <archivist_> what none of the docs stated was where to put stuff
[10:32:06] <Wolf_> idk… I’m kinda bumbling through this
[10:33:08] <IchGucksLive> hi
[10:33:23] <archivist_> the IDE is too helpful so they dont tell you certain things and do stuff without you telling it
[10:33:29] <IchGucksLive> Holzwurm: german
[10:34:06] <IchGucksLive> Holzwurm: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:82/~tom-itx/irc/logs/%23linuxcnc/2017-01-14.html
[10:34:09] <Wolf_> yeah that was a IDE mess-up, if you have the include it will try using every file with that name at the same time, sketch folder and library
[10:35:27] <Wolf_> there has to be something locking me out in this calibrate sketch
[10:35:28] <archivist_> I give the tarduino crowd a b- for the IDE
[10:36:27] <MacGalempsy> mornin
[10:36:35] <Wolf_> eeprom should just work… right
[10:37:09] <archivist_> has done so far for me
[10:37:41] <archivist_> I first started with the eeprom example and mangled it
[10:37:52] <Wolf_> well, s shows me stored factor, so duh it does work
[10:38:10] <Wolf_> question is why won’t it use the scale values…
[10:39:06] <Wolf_> when I do 0n, t, 50g, and it gives me factor -600, and stores -1200, do it again and it makes it 0
[10:39:26] <archivist_> it it has a stored cal then w should work
[10:40:12] <archivist_> that sequence made me think the pins were reversed this morning later on
[10:40:16] <Wolf_> you don’t have a spare arguino to try eeprom clear and then run its on?
[10:41:15] <archivist_> I do have a new spare since thursday, had to collect from the post office in town
[10:41:59] <MacGalempsy> sounds like you guys are in neck deep
[10:42:16] <Wolf_> HX711SerialBegin example sketch I have // HX711.DOUT - pin #A3 // HX711.PD_SCK - pin #A2 scale.begin(A3, A2);
[10:43:28] <Wolf_> and the example is showing me that it can read the load cell, so the hc711.h isn’t the problem
[10:43:46] <archivist_> they are using analogue pins in that, the sparkfun example used digital pins which is still the same
[10:43:50] <MacGalempsy> you using a nano or uno?
[10:44:02] <archivist_> pro mini here
[10:44:03] <Wolf_> i’m using a nano
[10:44:42] <Wolf_> hmm
[10:44:52] <MacGalempsy> nice. im looking at those. so cheap. but going to try scratch 4 arduino
[10:45:29] <Wolf_> fucking simple things
[10:45:35] <Wolf_> added A to numbers...
[10:45:49] <Wolf_> now works lmao
[10:46:04] * archivist_ not guilty weeeeeee
[10:46:09] <MacGalempsy> lol
[10:47:57] <Wolf_> funny how the little things are the ones you overlook lol
[10:48:04] <archivist_> must update the cal to swear at the user for using the wrong pins
[10:48:10] <archivist_> :)
[10:48:40] <archivist_> the little buggers are odd things to mess with
[10:48:46] <jymmm> Here we go.... https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Heavy-Duty-DC12-24V-Electric-Motor-Hand-Drill-PCB-Press-Drilling-0-6-6mm-B10-Keyless/32656492300.html
[10:48:56] <jymmm> it's KEYLESS too ;)
[10:49:29] <archivist_> I keep getting random triggers from the valeron probe, but the renishaw LP2 is rock solid
[10:50:48] <jymmm> Touch Off Plate $6... https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Mach3-CNC-Z-Axis-Router-Mill-Touch-Plate-Tool-Setting-Probe-New-Milling-Hot-Kit-Engraving/32638880826.html
[10:51:26] <Wolf_> ok, lets load it up with the right pins defined and see what happens lol
[10:53:43] <Wolf_> I need to fix my led display code, but its working
[10:54:22] <archivist> I added more text because I had more space
[10:54:54] <MacGalempsy> jymmm going on an ordering spree? lol. keyless apparently just means not included
[10:54:58] <archivist> I am also running without live update because the LCD is too slow
[10:55:28] <Wolf_> yeah, that kind stuff I figure on, I just need to adjust calls so the numbers display correctly with this u8x8 library
[10:56:18] <archivist> but sure is nice to measure touch probe sensitivity
[10:56:19] <jymmm> MacGalempsy: Ah, that makes more sense chinglish wise.
[10:56:39] <Wolf_> oh wait it is working correct, I think
[10:57:53] <Wolf_> output was too consistent, I thought the value was partly ghosting on the led lol
[10:57:54] <MacGalempsy> google translate?
[10:59:18] <MacGalempsy> are you guys trying to make your probes wireless?
[10:59:49] <jymmm> MacGalempsy: probeless probing
[11:00:00] <archivist> Wolf_, I think this as a tool beats http://resources.renishaw.com/details/Trigger+force+gauge%28182383%29%2862999%29
[11:00:27] <MacGalempsy> spindle mounted lidar!
[11:00:28] <Wolf_> http://i.imgur.com/JXAkuJO.jpg =D
[11:00:32] <archivist> MacGalempsy, no but that is a logical next step
[11:01:48] <archivist> turn the probe 60 degrees and retry
[11:02:02] <Wolf_> I did lol
[11:02:39] <archivist> the valeron is something like 80 min to 120 max
[11:03:04] <Wolf_> I’m getting 60-90
[11:03:13] <archivist> so the stylus bends and you lose a bit of accuracy
[11:04:27] <archivist> at least it has been replicated in another place :)
[11:05:35] <sync_> I don't think it really matters, the stylus is quite stiff
[11:05:36] <Wolf_> I think I found one of teh splits, 120g
[11:06:24] <archivist> sync_, it does not for amateurs and a thou
[11:06:39] <MacGalempsy> time for a newton force meter?
[11:06:43] <archivist> does for long stylii
[11:07:22] <Wolf_> oo, I can try other stylii
[11:07:58] <MacGalempsy> one of the articles i read recommended a 15 newton force gauge
[11:08:35] <MacGalempsy> it was a calibration ma ual
[11:08:54] <Wolf_> should I try long or stubby
[11:09:12] <archivist> both
[11:11:49] <Wolf_> well, contact force dropped going long (of course)
[11:12:35] <sync_> sure, if your stylus is quite long, you need to account for that but with a 4-5cm probe that has a 4mm alumina stem
[11:12:37] <sync_> eh
[11:12:41] <sync_> it should be pretty stiff
[11:12:47] <Loetmichel> hmmm. my wife doesent seem to get it... sending the man out for grocerys hungry isnt the best idea. should have bought stuff for ~30 eur... spent 75 eur... a bit more sliced meat and cheese, a few more chips/crisps, a few salty crackers and so on... and of course i paid with HER cc ;)
[11:14:25] <Wolf_> http://i.imgur.com/R6C3qTk.jpg
[11:14:53] <Wolf_> probe display is off, have a ghost zero in there...
[11:16:32] <archivist> this is what the force dos to your accuracy http://www.renishaw.com/media/thumbnails/320wide/2a7c5d7cbcd943adb9337407e7959c6e.jpg
[11:19:04] <archivist> Wolf_, the string processing to get a nice display is a pain
[11:19:36] <sync_> if they would specify what kind of stylus they used that would mean a lot more
[11:19:48] <archivist> they said 50mm
[11:19:56] <archivist> on that diagram
[11:21:03] <sync_> yeah but that does not mean anything
[11:21:06] <archivist> only 3 and a bit microns
[11:21:48] <sync_> well almost 8µm in the wrost direction, that's quite a lot
[11:22:04] <sync_> I mean, they need to specify the material and diameter of the stem
[11:22:26] <Wolf_> 15g trigger force?
[11:22:32] <archivist> the stiffness of the stem I think is secondary
[11:23:33] <archivist> I assume they picked a direction and set 15g with that stylus
[11:24:11] <Wolf_> yeah, one thing is i’m not sure how consistent doing this by hand is
[11:24:56] <archivist> not that consistent but probably a lot better than a gram gauge
[11:25:43] <Wolf_> but my spec sheet for the mp1 says trigger force set 57g and 115g max x/y
[11:26:00] <MacGalempsy> loetmichel you probably got all the stuff she does not want you to eat
[11:26:17] <archivist> Wolf_, but with what length stylus
[11:26:29] <Wolf_> 50mm
[11:26:51] <MacGalempsy> maybe hang the mass from the stylus?
[11:27:57] <archivist> hang? the thing measures the force immediately after the trigger
[11:28:47] <MacGalempsy> hmmm
[11:30:14] <archivist> technically we dont want stylus force in the equation so probe should be vertical
[11:30:24] <archivist> stylus weight
[11:30:39] <MacGalempsy> f=ma
[11:30:55] <MacGalempsy> w=mg
[11:31:12] <MacGalempsy> f=w
[11:32:12] <Devilholk> I have made some progress.. I found a third computer that is single core and has a SPP-port. But I get a general protection fault in hal_partport.so during startup
[11:32:25] <MacGalempsy> good point on vertical.
[11:32:38] <Devilholk> Any suggestions on how to troubleshoot this? Can I attach a debugger or something?
[11:33:18] <Loetmichel> MacGalempsy: probably ;)
[11:33:30] <Devilholk> the fault is only seen in dmesg, it looks like a USRMOT: ERROR: command timeout from the software point of view
[11:34:30] <Devilholk> Some other person had this issue some years back and in that persons case it was related to bios settings.. though I haven't checked bios, maybe the port is inactive or in a weird mode
[11:35:39] <archivist_> some had port settings in bios
[11:36:09] <Devilholk> ok.. this machine only has boot order and date in bios
[11:36:58] <Devilholk> can I test hal_parport.so some way without having to load up all of the other part of the software?
[11:41:20] <pcw_home> Devilholk: sure
[11:41:56] <pcw_home> halcmd loadrt hal_parport
[11:43:19] <Devilholk> It says it doesnt find the port, which is odd because lsmod shows parport and parport_pc
[11:43:26] <Devilholk> Maybe it is a weird address or something
[11:45:22] <Devilholk> When it says it doesnt find the port.. how does it know? It is just a port address right?
[11:48:37] <Devilholk> aha
[11:48:37] <pcw_home> try 0 as a port address
[11:48:41] <Devilholk> yeah, just did =)
[11:49:01] <pcw_home> thats the first parallel port that Linux knows about
[11:49:08] <archivist_> is this on the livecd
[11:49:19] <Devilholk> yeah, found it here http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.4/html/hal_parallel_port.html
[11:50:04] <archivist_> 2.4, ?
[11:50:27] <Devilholk> I use 2.8 but the docs from 2.4 still applied
[11:50:38] <Devilholk> I found it using google, google sometimes doesn't give the latest
[11:55:03] <Devilholk> pcw_home: The loadrt command works but I still get GP fault when trying to start up linuxcnc
[11:55:53] <Devilholk> 3 last nibbles of the instruction and stack pointer are always the same so it seems to fail at the same instruction each time
[11:57:24] <Devilholk> archivist_: lol.. found your site.. again =P
[11:58:51] <Devilholk> I hate it when google shows a summary with the stuff you want to see and the stuff is gone and the cache returns a picture of a broken robot
[12:01:40] <archivist> dunno what you are searching for
[12:02:09] <Devilholk> I was searching for others having issues with hal_parport.so
[12:03:23] <Devilholk> archivist_: And no, I am not using the live cd, I compiled the project from git
[12:05:13] <archivist> then there was some issue with the OS grabbing it
[12:06:14] <archivist> port should be released so hal can use it in realtime
[12:07:32] <ApocalypseCow> http://www.spacex.com/webcast
[12:07:37] <ApocalypseCow> in case anyone is interested.
[12:07:39] <ApocalypseCow> launching soon
[12:10:08] <Devilholk> thanks ApocalypseCow
[12:18:31] <ApocalypseCow> np
[12:25:11] <SpeedEvil> Passing mach 1.
[12:29:52] <ApocalypseCow> so exciting
[12:33:40] <SpeedEvil> And first stage landed - with awesome video - on the deck
[12:41:22] <Holzwurm> Hallo IchGucksLive, ja ich komme aus Germany und muß mir allein fürs englisch genauso den kopf zerbrechen wie für LinuxCNC
[12:48:01] <IchGucksLive> hi
[12:48:47] <IchGucksLive> Holzwurm: noch da
[12:49:31] <Holzwurm> Hallo Ja noch da
[12:50:12] <IchGucksLive> drück mal auf meine nick
[12:50:33] <IchGucksLive> SpeedEvil: is the launch successfull
[12:53:05] <Holzwurm> Hallo, Ist das erste mal das ich in einem chatroom bin, habe das ganze noch nicht so ganz kapiert
[12:53:29] <IchGucksLive> du solltest meine nick unten in der taskleiste sepperat haben
[12:53:50] <SpeedEvil> IchGucksLive: as far as it's gone yes
[12:54:07] <IchGucksLive> there are 10 iridium inside
[12:54:11] <SpeedEvil> IchGucksLive: the second stage needs to restart an then deploy
[12:55:43] <IchGucksLive> Holzwurm: hier ist mein deutscher LCNC kanal https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCmwhCL92ZQRSVqFe3jGwJSQ
[12:57:51] <IchGucksLive> SpeedEvil: there will be 7 lanches
[12:58:03] <IchGucksLive> as total 70 iridiums phone sats
[13:47:21] <TurBoss> Hello
[13:48:16] <TurBoss> If I have 4 motors of 3A i need 12A powersupply or i can use 4 of 3A?
[13:48:47] <TurBoss> what is better?
[13:49:18] <TurBoss> or the correct way of do it?
[13:53:42] <jdh> 1 would be simpler
[13:54:58] <TurBoss> and what about the voltage?
[13:55:04] <TurBoss> 24 or 48?
[13:55:06] <TurBoss> V
[13:55:37] <jdh> depends on the drivers
[13:55:44] <jdh> but most likely 48 would be better
[13:55:45] <TurBoss> they support 50V
[13:56:10] <jdh> two smaller ones might be easier to source
[13:57:21] <TurBoss> hmm sorry source?
[13:58:04] <jdh> purchase
[13:58:17] <TurBoss> ah sure
[13:58:19] <TurBoss> :D
[13:58:38] <jdh> I found some cheap <something amp> 48v power supplies when I was looking so I bought two of them
[13:59:25] <TurBoss> so I can go with a powersuppy for each motor?
[13:59:42] <jdh> you could
[13:59:46] <TurBoss> ok cool
[13:59:54] <jdh> but, 4 seems like a hassle
[14:00:17] <jdh> I would go with 1 if available for a reasonable price
[14:00:30] <TurBoss> thats dificult
[14:00:56] <TurBoss> 48V 12 or more Amps are not cheap
[14:01:19] <jdh> nope. I would probably use a 10 if it was available
[14:02:19] <jdh> http://www.geckodrive.com/support/step-motor-basics/power-supply-basics.html
[14:03:51] <TurBoss> I can't find any cheaper then 200€
[14:03:58] <jdh> where are you?
[14:04:05] <TurBoss> spain
[14:04:18] <TurBoss> http://es.farnell.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Search?catalogId=15001&langId=-5&storeId=10176&categoryId=700000004428&eq=N%3D213135%2B513225660%26amp%3BNtk%3Ddesc_pn%26amp%3BNtt%3Dfuente%2Bde%2Balimentacion%26amp%3BNtx%3Drel%2Bgensearch_store_specific%252cstatic%2528P_STORE_MARKETING_RANK_FARNELL_ES%252cascending%2529%2Bmode%2Bmatchpartialmax%26amp%3BNty%3D1%26amp%3BNtpc%3D1%26amp%3BNtpr%3D1&st=fuente%20de%20alimentacion&pageSize=25&show
[14:04:20] <TurBoss> omg
[14:04:25] <TurBoss> long url
[14:07:25] <jdh> I see 8amp ones for $20us
[14:08:02] <jdh> one would probably be sufficient.
[14:08:13] <TurBoss> 8 amps for 4 3a motors?
[14:09:03] <jdh> yes, see the above gecko url
[14:09:20] <TurBoss> ok sorry i miss that part
[14:09:23] <TurBoss> thanks
[14:09:36] <jdh> but, for that cheap, I'd get two
[14:17:25] <roycroft> excellent - my power supply arrived finally
[14:17:39] <roycroft> and it really is brand new, and even came with the rack mount ears, which i thought were missing
[14:22:56] <roycroft> this is what i got (but i paid a lot less):
[14:22:59] <roycroft> www.ebay.com/itm/191842173594
[14:23:11] <roycroft> it should last for decades
[14:24:51] <roycroft> when it warms up i'll plug it in and check the output waveform with a 'scope
[14:41:56] <Tom_itx> that's about what mine ended up to be
[14:42:02] <Tom_itx> ~18A though
[14:42:14] <Tom_itx> all surplus junk
[14:43:22] <Wolf_> I need to check out the surplus dealer I’m now friends with for power supply
[14:43:38] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/psu/caps2.jpg
[14:43:52] <Tom_itx> those were surplus as well
[14:44:17] <Tom_itx> or i would have gotten larger capacity ones
[14:52:10] <JT-Shop2> 9 more bats of itch to put up in this row :)
[14:54:53] <jymmm> BeerBot https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lft0TcJVdm4
[15:36:13] <JT-Shop2> hanging itch on the roof will make you get your 5 o`clock beer a couple of time zones away
[15:36:40] <Tom_itx> rain has arrived... ice to come: http://www.intellicast.com/Local/WxMap.aspx
[15:48:20] <JT-Shop2> so far we just have rain
[15:48:45] <JT-Shop2> Tom_itx: you could just convert the 2016 logs and forget the rest, I'd bet no one reads back that far
[15:52:53] * JT-Shop2 opens up another bale of itch
[15:57:53] <jesseg> What is itch...? fiberglass insulation?
[15:58:44] <jesseg> well, my android phone is updating itself..
[16:03:52] <JT-Shop2> yea
[16:04:17] <jymmm> jesseg: skynet has been activated
[16:05:38] <jesseg> jymmm, what is skynet?
[16:06:01] <jesseg> I'm not a movie buff so if it's a sci-fi reference I'm lost
[16:07:27] <jymmm> jesseg: The bots are alive and taking over (see also: Terminator movie)
[16:07:36] <jesseg> oh okay a movie reference :D
[16:08:12] <jesseg> Pretty much if someone says something to me that makes no sense to me, I say "Is that from a movie?" if the answer is "yes" then I can go on happy :D
[16:08:15] <JT-Shop2> what's up MacGalempsy
[16:09:39] <MacGalempsy> JT-Shop2: not too much, trying to stay warm. how is the roofing biz?
[16:10:21] <JT-Shop2> well it's the underside of the roof and just about done with the first row of itch
[16:10:28] <JT-Shop2> 4 rows total
[16:10:42] <MacGalempsy> what r value?
[16:11:24] <MacGalempsy> total, i guess
[16:12:16] <JT-Shop2> 25R total
[16:13:42] <MacGalempsy> that should keep things a little more toast. did you guys have a nice thick ice layer this am?
[16:13:51] <MacGalempsy> toast = toasty
[16:17:19] <JT-Shop2> yea, I'm glad the fire went out it was getting hot in here
[16:35:01] <MacGalempsy> http://s4a.cat/
[16:35:07] <MacGalempsy> interesting take on things
[16:42:47] <ve7it> anyone looking for servo amps? these support brushed or brushless and quadrature encoders http://www.ebay.com/itm/272521107223
[16:49:24] <JT-Shop> http://gnipsel.com/images/equipment-shed/e-shed-31.jpg
[16:49:50] <JT-Shop> MacGalempsy: what makes it so much fun is climbing all over everything in the way lol
[16:52:04] <MacGalempsy> JT-Shop: that looks like quite the operation. is the opper space just going to be open, or is it going to be storage?
[16:52:45] <JT-Shop> just open space
[16:53:16] <JT-Shop> don't feel like putting up a ceiling because if I sealed that off I'd loose the itch under the roof metal
[16:55:41] <Deejay> gn8
[17:08:54] * JT-Shop2 gives a final push for the day to get the last piece up in this row
[17:25:19] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, yeah i'll work on the '16 ones after bit
[17:32:07] <JT-Shop2> k
[17:59:44] <roycroft> hey folks
[17:59:56] <roycroft> anyone familiar with the gecko 6540 drive:
[18:00:13] <roycroft> i just tested my power supply, and i'm impressed - it puts out a very clean signal
[18:00:37] <roycroft> but, as i suspected, it's a bit overvoltage, as is typical with telecom rectifiers
[18:00:45] <roycroft> it's putting out 52.3 volts
[18:00:54] <roycroft> the 540 is rated to handle a field voltage of 48v
[18:01:00] <roycroft> how sensitive is it to that?
[18:01:42] <roycroft> i may not use that driver anyway, but if it will work it seems to be pretty good fit
[18:02:29] <roycroft> my preference is for an individual driver for each axis, but since the gecko driver modules are individually replaceable that is close to what i want
[18:08:14] <TurBoss> Hello
[18:08:41] <TurBoss> I'm trying to make a userspace component but it requiers header files in a subdirectory
[18:08:55] <TurBoss> i'm using halcompile --compile --userspace main.c
[18:09:11] <TurBoss> how i can do this
[18:09:12] <TurBoss> ?
[18:22:23] <TurBoss> ok I created a submakefile
[18:48:15] <TurBoss> the usercomp fails to include the header files
[18:48:16] <TurBoss> .h
[19:20:43] <MacGalempsy> roycroft: there is no kind of pot on there to dial in the voltage?
[19:23:06] <MacGalempsy> well, I just tore apart the contol panel of my CNC to try and get it all in there and to clean up the wiring mess...
[19:23:21] <MacGalempsy> it seemed like such a good idea when I dove in. lol
[19:24:30] <MacGalempsy> trying to find a dang 4 pole relay in this mess to cut down on the floor plan
[19:25:14] <MacGalempsy> actually, I thought there were a few, now its back to digging
[19:44:09] <roycroft> output voltage is not adjustable
[19:47:57] <MacGalempsy> dang. can you swap out a resistor?
[20:24:32] <roycroft> this is not a fancy electronic power supply
[20:24:47] <roycroft> it's a couple transformers, a couple big caps, and a rectifier bridge
[20:25:01] <roycroft> i'm not worried about the voltage to the stepper motors
[20:25:13] <roycroft> i'm just concerned that the BOB that it passes through can't handle it
[20:25:35] <roycroft> and if it can't i'll just use a stand-alone BOB and individual drivers instead of the g540
[20:25:45] <roycroft> i haven't purchased the gecko yet
[20:43:12] <TurBoss> bye
[20:47:27] <MacGalempsy> roycroft: I guess you could always use a voltage divider, to knock it down
[20:48:27] <MacGalempsy> add a resistor and a pot, then you can dial it down as needed
[20:50:23] <malcom2073> I run my G540 off a 36V linear supply, which winds up being around 42-45 volts
[20:50:40] <malcom2073> I've heard 50v is the hard limit, it's not intended for 48v supplies, but I don't recall where I read/heard that
[20:50:58] <MacGalempsy> he is getting over 50v on his psu
[20:51:07] <malcom2073> Yeah I just read back up to that
[20:51:21] <malcom2073> I wouldn't use that with the g540, better off getting drivers made for higher voltage
[20:52:03] <MacGalempsy> that ebay add from ebay listing that ve7it posted would be a good resource
[20:52:19] <MacGalempsy> for $25 each, thats a killer deal
[20:53:35] * MacGalempsy does a kick, just found the relays he was looking for. oh yeah.
[20:56:43] <MacGalempsy> so, im putting in a new panel inside the case, one that is large enough to hold all the electronics that are not permanently mounted. should I use the thin plywood that is being used to mock it up, or get a piece of plexiglass?
[21:06:09] <Tom_itx> roycroft, you may be pushing your luck wht that voltage
[21:07:24] <Tom_itx> the 203v can handle a bit more V i believe
[21:07:45] <Tom_itx> 80
[21:07:46] <Tom_itx>
[21:07:46] <Tom_itx> VDC
[21:07:51] <Tom_itx> max
[21:08:12] <Tom_itx> 7A
[21:08:23] <Tom_itx> http://www.geckodrive.com/g203v.html
[21:11:49] <Tom_itx> 50v on the 540
[21:44:02] <roycroft> i've been thinking about getting individual drives, tom_itx
[21:44:05] <roycroft> but then i need a bob
[21:44:12] <roycroft> and i haven't found a decent bob at this point
[21:44:23] <roycroft> i can't use a mesa daughter board - they are all rated at 32v
[21:45:02] <roycroft> i could put in a circuit to reduce the voltage a bit
[21:45:11] <roycroft> but then i'd also be sacrificing speed
[21:45:27] <roycroft> and i'd have another component that could fail
[21:46:13] <roycroft> my preference would be to use the output voltage i have
[21:48:54] <MacGalempsy> how about a 24v psu for the mesa, & bob?
[21:50:04] <roycroft> the bob only needs 5v
[21:50:09] <roycroft> and i'll use a separate power supply for that
[21:50:27] <roycroft> i don't want to take it from the mesa board - i want to isilate the control electronics from the computer
[21:50:45] <roycroft> it's the field voltage for the steppers that is the issue
[21:50:54] <roycroft> and that has to pass through the drivers
[21:52:17] <roycroft> the gecko 540 is a bob + 4 drivers, built into one unit
[21:52:57] <roycroft> i'm not sure what the deal is with the mesa daughter boards - but i saw some docs that led me to believe i could not use them
[21:53:07] <roycroft> i should go back and look at the 7i76 again
[21:53:50] <roycroft> it seems to me i should be able to just feed it 5v, and it would feed control signals to the drivers
[21:53:59] <roycroft> and my 48v ps would feed the drivers directly
[21:54:31] <roycroft> if it works that way that would be perfect
[22:00:44] <Tom_itx> i used the centertap to get 24v for my low v regulators
[22:37:05] <XXCoder> im considering buying tapping handle but what do I look for?
[22:38:10] <tiwake> XXCoder: the thing that clamps around the square end of the tap?
[22:38:19] <XXCoder> yah
[22:38:22] <tiwake> or the hand machine thing tapping thing
[22:41:19] <XXCoder> the square end
[22:45:23] <XXCoder> tiwake: for example http://www.ebay.com/itm/General-No-163-T-Handle-Tap-Wrench-/222355991822
[22:45:28] <XXCoder> is it good or whjat
[22:46:03] <tiwake> XXCoder: you want the other style
[22:46:14] <XXCoder> other style?
[22:46:44] <Wolf_> you want all the styles...
[22:46:54] <tiwake> XXCoder: http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Tap-Wrench-Reamer-Handle-Tool-Holder-3-16-1-2-M4-M12-LIFETIME-WARRANTY-/331929610070?hash=item4d488be756:g:zP0AAOSwdzVXpJv8
[22:47:09] <XXCoder> ahh
[22:47:26] <XXCoder> I have one, not too impressed woth it but then it was harbour
[22:47:36] <Wolf_> except get one thats not a pos
[22:48:24] <XXCoder> I might have used it wrong way, got tips on how to use that style?
[22:48:36] <XXCoder> I plan to use other style for finishing taps at work
[22:49:18] <XXCoder> for either style what brands is good quality?
[22:49:25] <Wolf_> small taps i’ll use a t handle like the one you linked, but with a tap follower
[22:49:52] <tiwake> Wolf_: I don't like that style even for the small ones
[22:49:59] <roycroft> what kind of problems have you had with that tap handle, xxcoder?
[22:50:17] <XXCoder> it kept getting loose and tap falls off
[22:50:28] <Wolf_> well, small taps don’t have a center drill point so the wrench sucks IMO
[22:50:32] <roycroft> you use it upside down then
[22:50:36] <XXCoder> probably just ebcause it was made from chinesium
[22:50:46] <XXCoder> roy its same either way
[22:51:13] <Wolf_> greenfield, starred, b&s
[22:51:19] <roycroft> i have three sizes of that style
[22:51:33] <Wolf_> starrett even...
[22:51:35] <roycroft> i have no problems with them
[22:52:04] <roycroft> but if you push on the handle that twists to turn the moveable jaw the wrong way you'll loosen it up as you turn the handle
[22:53:53] <roycroft> http://www.ebay.com/itm/OLD-ANTIQUE-VINTAGE-SMALL-HOME-MADE-TAP-HANDLE-WRENCH-HOLDER-MADE-IN-USA-/322243849842?hash=item4b073aee72:g:yT8AAOSwMgdXw3wA
[22:54:01] <roycroft> i have one like that as well
[22:54:10] <roycroft> and you don't have to pay attention to the handles with that
[22:54:46] <roycroft> i prefer this type when i have clearance to use it (and am using small enough taps):
[22:54:49] <roycroft> http://www.ebay.com/itm/General-160R-Ratcheting-Tap-Wrench-T-Handle-also-Reamer-Extractor-0-8-/222224403181?hash=item33bd9b4aed:g:cDEAAOSwZVlXt3At
[22:54:55] <XXCoder> not too sure what range would be best for work
[22:55:54] <XXCoder> found #0 to 1/4 not too bad
[22:56:37] <XXCoder> http://www.ebay.com/itm/G167-Plain-Type-T-Handle-Tap-Wrench-Set-0-1-4-1-4-1-2-/391045309192?hash=item5b0c1de308:g:76kAAOSw5VZXBHw0
[22:56:41] <XXCoder> what you guys think
[22:57:18] <XXCoder> cheaper on amazon
[22:58:28] <XXCoder> hmm bad reviews, says picture says made in usa but its relaly from india
[22:58:36] <roycroft> that's probably a good set
[22:58:55] <roycroft> just keep in mind that you might not always have clearance to use that type
[22:59:01] <roycroft> which is why the flat ones are useful as well
[22:59:03] <XXCoder> indeed
[22:59:15] <XXCoder> only few parts have to have tap completed anyway
[22:59:22] <roycroft> i don't have 10 or so tap handles because i like to collect them
[22:59:32] <XXCoder> usually due to depth not deep enough for cnc machine tap to reach all way in
[22:59:54] <roycroft> i have that many because they're all different
[23:00:33] <XXCoder> cool
[23:00:41] <Wolf_> I have a bunch cause I hate swapping taps when I’m working on stuff that has 2-3 different threaded holes
[23:00:56] <roycroft> also, on a mill you can often put a spring-loaded tap alighment tool in the spindle and use one of the flat handles to do your tapping
[23:01:36] <Wolf_> http://i.imgur.com/GyW7OyE.jpg or improvise
[23:01:39] <XXCoder> yeah though cell machines must be conually running so I cant just stop it to complete tap in machine
[23:02:00] <XXCoder> so wait till its done, change part to block, then send pallet off and hand-tap
[23:03:53] <roycroft> i do prefer the ratcheting type when i'm using t-handle tap wrenches
[23:04:12] <roycroft> they make it easier to run taps in in tight spaces, such as near corners
[23:04:46] <XXCoder> makes sense
[23:04:55] <roycroft> i linked to one above
[23:05:01] <roycroft> they cost a bit more but are a lot more flexible
[23:05:11] <XXCoder> standard or reversable
[23:05:21] <roycroft> mine are reversable
[23:05:29] <roycroft> cw-lock-ccw
[23:05:43] <XXCoder> ya used one like that, it was pretty good
[23:05:44] <roycroft> cw-lock-acw if you're british
[23:05:48] <XXCoder> borrowed coworker one
[23:06:05] <XXCoder> thats why im getting em, pretty rarely need em but I hate borrowing
[23:06:30] <roycroft> borrow/rent once
[23:06:33] <roycroft> buy the next time
[23:07:27] <XXCoder> reviews is just nasty on that general one
[23:10:58] <roycroft> i think have some general ones
[23:11:06] <roycroft> i know i have at least one starrett
[23:11:26] <XXCoder> apparently general now makes their tools at india
[23:11:30] <XXCoder> so quality is way low
[23:11:33] <roycroft> but even if i have some general ones, they're at least 20-30 years old, so not like current ones
[23:11:43] <roycroft> yeah, there's not much good quality stuff coming out of india yet
[23:12:29] <roycroft> so buy it from somewhere you can return it
[23:12:41] <XXCoder> or known old one
[23:13:15] <roycroft> if the ratchet action is not smooth you will get frustrated
[23:14:43] <roycroft> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Starrett-93C-1-4-to-1-2-machinist-tap-handle-/162347348315?hash=item25cca7f15b:g:docAAOSw2xRYRgeC
[23:14:47] <roycroft> not a ratcheting one
[23:14:54] <roycroft> but it's a nice t-handle for a good price
[23:15:21] <XXCoder> im considring 93a to 93c
[23:16:38] <XXCoder> heh my best buy so far is starrett micrometer, 2 of em
[23:16:47] <XXCoder> I use 1950s one everyday at work
[23:16:55] <XXCoder> 1980s one is for home use
[23:18:31] <Wolf_> i got me some clamps today…almost got some starrett mics as well
[23:18:46] <XXCoder> gonna love the wood box
[23:19:20] <Wolf_> http://i.imgur.com/mJh9q2p.jpg
[23:19:43] <XXCoder> nice kurt clamps
[23:19:58] <XXCoder> pink made really tiny ones lol
[23:20:06] <XXCoder> apparently fully functional
[23:21:19] <XXCoder> ebay is way too greedy on starrett
[23:21:33] <XXCoder> starrett sells taps handles for 35 bucks, ebay 60s
[23:31:39] <Wolf_> oh duh, I did get some mics tonight
[23:31:48] <XXCoder> lol
[23:31:59] <Wolf_> http://i.imgur.com/UmtlVT7.jpg
[23:31:59] <XXCoder> old starrett mic?
[23:32:06] <XXCoder> those are all kinds of awesome.
[23:32:32] <XXCoder> set of 1 inch to 12 inch mics?
[23:32:46] <Wolf_> inside mics
[23:32:58] <XXCoder> nice
[23:33:33] <XXCoder> I want 1 inch to 3 inch set but I very rarely need more than inch, and can use shop ones if I need em
[23:33:46] <Wolf_> http://i.imgur.com/WzFfTBL.jpg this almost came home with me as well
[23:34:04] <Wolf_> but I don’t have a big enough lathe
[23:34:08] <tiwake> How do you say "Give me liberty or give me death!" in French?
[23:34:15] <tiwake> I give up.
[23:34:28] * XXCoder calls goverment
[23:34:58] <XXCoder> Donnez-moi la libert ou donnez-moi la mort
[23:35:01] <XXCoder> from google
[23:39:08] <XXCoder> https://www.google.com/search?q=3+mm+to+inch&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=ubuntu&channel=fs#safe=off&channel=fs&q=translate+to+french
[23:39:21] <XXCoder> apparently it has speak it feature. no idea how it sounds like heh