#linuxcnc | Logs for 2017-01-13

[01:49:01] <MrSunshine> phew using the angle grinder realy makes short work of "scraping" the pads for the table on my machine =)
[01:49:26] <MrSunshine> (just to get it close to true level .. then there will be some hand finnishing) =)
[02:38:43] <Deejay> moin
[04:57:56] <XXCoder> booo
[05:45:51] <Tom_itx> 22°F
[05:46:13] <Deejay> 1°C
[05:46:37] <XXCoder> fancy. 26f here
[05:47:02] <XXCoder> room wall is 59f. not too bad ever since I taped that dang thing up
[05:57:17] <jthornton> nice
[05:57:52] <jthornton> 33f
[05:58:01] <jthornton> same as Deejay
[05:58:16] <Deejay> :)
[05:58:31] <Deejay> but i have degree celsius ;)
[05:59:04] <jthornton> I have freezing rain
[05:59:45] <XXCoder> one coworker has been missing for a week, guessed he was sick
[05:59:52] <XXCoder> nope he got into nasty accient
[06:00:10] <XXCoder> other coworker said he's a lousy driver and they got into accient with each other before
[06:04:21] <XXCoder> anyway I wisely stayed out of it :P
[06:04:59] <jthornton> there seems to be a lot of bad drivers in the US
[06:05:41] <XXCoder> yeah
[06:06:04] <XXCoder> washington state is notious for ex-out of state drivers driving 100 times worse in rain
[06:06:13] <XXCoder> rain increase accient chances by 10 times
[06:07:00] <jthornton> rain then snow, then ice for bad driving conditions
[06:07:08] <XXCoder> yeah
[06:07:28] <XXCoder> 14 years of driving, only 2 serious accients, both other party fault
[06:07:41] <XXCoder> another couple very close calls
[06:07:50] <XXCoder> one due to my dumbassness
[06:08:32] <XXCoder> I forgot to slow down earlier in very rainy after dry month. to be fair I was really tired after 14 hours of college and studing
[06:08:59] <jthornton> been driving for 48 years with no accidents, several close calls but I managed to avoid them
[06:09:07] <XXCoder> other one well one driver in front og few cars in 60 mph highway decided to stop very hard
[06:09:20] <XXCoder> cars all managed to stop, my van was too heavy for that shit
[06:09:28] <XXCoder> so I looked to right, nope theres a car
[06:09:46] <XXCoder> left was reasonably clear so I very fast moved to it and stopped
[06:10:05] <XXCoder> my van and that car was couple inches apart side to side :P
[06:10:14] <XXCoder> lady was scared shitless
[06:10:48] <jthornton> my wife doesn't have a clue about defensive driving
[06:10:59] <XXCoder> my van mirror was also inch away from hers, if I didnt manage to stop for inch longer I'd have destroyed my and her mirrors.
[06:12:24] <XXCoder> that sucks.
[06:12:41] <XXCoder> defensive driving is very important here, expecially clueless calfornia drivers drive in rain
[06:13:18] <XXCoder> *when
[06:14:56] <XXCoder> if you drive in WA and see calfornia license, and it is rainy weather watch out
[06:15:44] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbDTzhX1QQg this is flipping cool
[06:22:06] <SpeedEvil> http://imgur.com/gallery/SXRWX
[06:22:15] <SpeedEvil> (perhaps not a legit tool)
[06:22:43] <jthornton> wow that is rare a left had one
[06:23:01] <XXCoder> its either hand
[06:23:23] <XXCoder> I think. not too sure on teeth :P
[06:27:18] <jthornton> I guess you need 3 of the same microwaves to make the magnet
[06:27:27] <XXCoder> that is likely
[06:27:36] <_methods> hahahah amish chainsaw
[06:28:36] <XXCoder> amish do use electrics, though very slow approval rate as they value humanity and make sure new tech dont change them
[06:30:25] <jthornton> it varies depending on the boss of that group
[06:30:47] <XXCoder> yeah. though there is few stuff they have to do, like using rear lights
[06:30:52] <XXCoder> when using roads
[06:31:36] <jthornton> the ones near her just have the red triangle on the back of each buggy
[06:31:52] <_methods> do they use toilet paper?
[06:31:55] <XXCoder> interesting. I guess it also depends on state laws
[06:32:37] <_methods> a lot of technology goes into making mass produced toilet paper
[06:33:54] <_methods> hahah apparently i'm not the first person to google amish people and their toilet paper usage
[06:35:28] <XXCoder> heh
[07:06:48] <Sabotender> greetings all! I am curious to suggestions for a decent CNC router/mill that is most appropriate for routing PCBs!
[07:07:33] <XXCoder> theres tons of tiny cnc routers at aliexpress
[07:07:42] <XXCoder> depends on size pcbs you need
[07:07:48] <XXCoder> and budget
[07:08:05] <XXCoder> chinse ones wont be amazing but cheapass
[07:08:15] <Sabotender> lol, im asking for recommendations based on experience. There's a lot of (crappy) routers on aliexpress
[07:11:28] <archivist> the important things are quality spindle (runout), quality slides, quality leadscrews with no backlash(ball screw)
[07:12:37] <archivist> and against the cost of a few off of cheap PCBs no cnc machine is cost effective
[07:12:59] <archivist> better have other uses for the cnc
[07:13:13] <XXCoder> or pcbs everyday
[07:14:56] <archivist> the fine features of modern surface mount is not going to be milled
[07:15:09] <Sabotender> yeah I remember about the ballscrew :-P
[07:58:20] <Wolf_> morning
[07:58:45] <XXCoder> yo
[08:07:25] * archivist is in denial, afternoon
[08:08:29] <archivist> Wolf_, probe and cal code updated today ironed out some buglets
[08:09:10] <Wolf_> cool, currently figuring out if I should blow $450 on a tool post grinder
[08:10:16] <archivist> and datum spheres turned up, looks like they got dropped, so ball bars showing a bend but balls look ok
[08:11:49] <archivist> I got one from a scrap yard but never found the right grinding wheels yet http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=toolpost
[08:14:30] <Wolf_> http://i.imgur.com/zRGNFu6.jpg?1
[08:14:59] <Wolf_> http://www.themacinc-us.com/PriceList.html seems to be a J-7 almost new in the case
[08:15:59] <Wolf_> http://imgur.com/a/VvHc3 this came home with me for $80
[08:16:14] <Sabotender> archivist: I do have other uses for the mill, I just want to see if the results for milling a pcb would be on par with my toner transfer method.
[08:17:57] <Wolf_> milling vs etch is going to be different, I think you can still get smaller pitch with toner or photo masking
[08:18:03] <archivist> you can have hours of fun cleaning those tools up
[08:19:00] <Wolf_> actually didn’t take too long, some staining in the metal from the rust but most of it looks good
[08:19:15] <archivist> Sabotender, http://timeguy.com/cradek/cnc/pcb
[08:20:47] <archivist> LCDs turned up yesterday as well, will update the probe and maybe the cal code to use normal character sets
[08:21:47] <XXCoder> http://hackaday.com/2017/01/07/scissor-lift-shoes-may-be-osha-compliant/
[08:21:53] <XXCoder> nice. want one.
[08:21:54] <Wolf_> cool, my stuff is here as well, load cell, i2c o-led display and the HX711
[08:23:00] <Wolf_> thats kinda neat, like adjustable drywall stilts
[08:23:14] <XXCoder> or van washing stilts
[08:23:22] <Sabotender> archivist: looking now
[08:24:35] <Sabotender> archivist: see, I can't help but marvel at how beautiful that looks
[08:25:52] <Wolf_> Sabotender: always this option as well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FWUul62irY
[08:26:20] <archivist> no way I am milling PCBs http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2009/2009_10_15_PCB_design/IMG_0353.JPG
[08:26:28] <_methods> wow when did ebay tracking start working
[08:28:20] <Sabotender> archivist: well of course, for complicated designs like that, milling would be more of a hindrance than a boon
[08:28:39] <Sabotender> lovely boards, btw
[08:29:00] * Sabotender loves looking at circuit pr0n
[08:29:03] <Sabotender> lol
[08:29:57] <XXCoder> hey hey keep both hands above table top
[08:31:17] <Sabotender> but for simple designs such as on the timeguy website, I think it would be perfect. MOST of my designs are of the more simple sort. There is one that I am working on which is a high speed design project that you wouldn't catch me using CNC for. Its just too complicated for that.
[08:31:24] <Sabotender> XXCoder: I'm innocent ;-)
[08:31:38] <XXCoder> lol
[08:33:34] <Sabotender> yeah the high speed project is making use of a lovely SoC, but that is for a different channel :-P I was looking more for suggestions on CNC mills/routers that wouldn't have crap parts
[08:35:22] <archivist> one you build yourself
[08:36:15] <archivist> Wolf_, which display are you using, link?
[08:38:59] <Sabotender> archivist: so you advocate building one compared to buying prebuilt?
[08:39:17] <Wolf_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/172400932174 which should use GOFi2cOLED library
[08:39:26] <archivist> you then have some control on parts used
[08:39:55] <Sabotender> archivist: also is it still important to use a dedicated (serial or parallel port) as opposed to USB?
[08:40:00] <archivist> teeny little thing
[08:40:10] <Wolf_> yeah its small lol
[08:40:13] <archivist> fsck usb
[08:40:16] <Sabotender> wait what? lol
[08:40:38] <archivist> it is a cold display it shrunk
[08:40:39] <Wolf_> USB isn’t real time
[08:41:10] <Wolf_> but for a really small pdb router, might be ok i think
[08:41:17] <archivist> in here it is linuxcnc and parallel or a mesa card
[08:41:22] <Wolf_> but it won’t be much good for much else
[08:41:43] <archivist> no serial either
[08:42:06] <archivist> ethernet and mesa card yes
[08:43:35] <Wolf_> someone should make a parallel bob that uses pololu style stepper driver boards
[08:45:53] <XXCoder> https://youtu.be/1pnXaENvCKc
[08:45:55] <XXCoder> interesting
[08:46:05] <XXCoder> crank start dead battery cars using capactors
[08:48:50] <archivist> heh EBAY is stuffing an ad in the browser title bar
[08:49:35] <archivist> that really is the below the belt and dumb in the extreme
[08:50:30] <XXCoder> huh??
[08:50:32] <XXCoder> weird
[08:50:58] <XXCoder> nothing here
[08:52:58] <Sabotender> archivist: I can probably build one, but where would I find good, updated, proper instructions, parts lists, etc
[08:54:13] <XXCoder> http://www.ebay.com/itm/301641324807 what AWG wires you guys think it uses?
[08:54:38] <XXCoder> wsould 18 awg work? hopefully as I have plenty of that lol
[08:54:40] <Sabotender> Wolf_: I don't trust USB for that reason, but the sucky thing is that newer computers don't come with a parallel/serial port
[08:55:40] <XXCoder> we need someone to make modern computer boards with serial connections
[08:55:53] <archivist> you can get plug in parallel ports
[08:55:57] <XXCoder> and parallel ports
[08:56:09] <Wolf_> fortunately linux doesn’t mind older computers, and the popular J1900 mini its still come with parallel ports
[08:56:47] <Sabotender> archivist: your MESA card intrigues me....
[08:57:00] <archivist> and some boards it is a header on the motherboard
[08:57:49] <XXCoder> 400w needs what gauge wires?
[08:58:09] <archivist> mesa cards fit in pic /pcie a number of options, they are better when you come to use servo systems
[08:59:29] <Sabotender> Wolf_: I was looking at this J1900 and it doesnt appear to have a parallel port
[08:59:33] <Wolf_> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157497 is popular for Lcnc this or the other as rock board I think
[08:59:47] <Sabotender> oh I am lying
[08:59:58] <Sabotender> lol the one I was looking at did not come with one, but I see it now
[09:00:14] <Sabotender> LOL that thing is just 60USD, I could buy that
[09:00:37] <Wolf_> some don’t, I have a Q1900 board that only has headers
[09:01:26] <Sabotender> but I would rather get a complete system kinda like a nuc, it would be a PITA to buy all the components
[09:02:38] <Wolf_> just need ram, psu and storage
[09:04:08] <Sabotender> oh baby, but the fractal design node 202 would be perfect for that thing
[09:04:20] <Wolf_> psu http://a.co/bw8YDlL
[09:04:41] <Sabotender> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811352059&cm_re=mini_itx_case-_-11-352-059-_-Product ;-)
[09:05:07] <Sabotender> is the linux cnc software gui based?
[09:05:16] <Wolf_> yeah
[09:05:31] <Wolf_> that case is huge...
[09:05:49] <Wolf_> mine is in a MX500 case
[09:06:34] <archivist> Sabotender, there is a choice of guis
[09:07:03] <Sabotender> archivist: i'm currently running debian and I wanted to take a look at it
[09:07:13] <Wolf_> http://i.imgur.com/DQwwUNg.jpg
[09:07:51] <Wolf_> if you already know how to do kernel builds and whatnot you can run Linux cnc on Mint as well…
[09:08:04] <archivist> and you can hack the gui if you want
[09:08:36] * archivist steals that double ended adjustable
[09:08:53] <Wolf_> hehe, first one to notice it in the pic
[09:09:20] <archivist> I notice adjustables, I have a "few"
[09:09:36] <Wolf_> 4-6 crescent tool co
[09:11:07] <archivist> I treated myself to http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Adjustable-Spanner-by-Ron-Geesin-Hardcover-Book-English-/141944950275
[09:11:42] <Wolf_> hehe, the guy I got the tool box from has a crap load of proto wrenches
[09:12:41] <archivist> that author of that book has about 3000, I only have a couple hundred
[09:13:14] <Wolf_> guy buys factory auction lots as a hobby
[09:14:03] <Wolf_> like pepsi plant, nabisco, phillips
[09:15:47] <Wolf_> I’ll be spending Sat at his place to get a list of stuff together lol
[09:16:12] <Sabotender> you collect spanners?
[09:16:22] <Wolf_> also need to make up my mind on that tool post grinder and see if its all there
[09:16:26] <archivist> mebe http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2004/2004_03_01_Adjustables/P1010014.JPG
[09:16:42] <Wolf_> I dont… but know where to get them sold faster then ebay lol
[09:18:01] <archivist> I started a website for adjustables but it was getting spammed http://www.adjustable.archivist.info/
[09:18:28] <archivist> so crippled it to be more static
[09:20:46] <Sabotender> hmm
[09:23:56] <Wolf_> hmm, how the heck is this load cell wired...
[09:25:38] <archivist> red to +5 black to gnd
[09:25:59] <archivist> other two to +A - A
[09:26:35] <archivist> and swap them A +- if it measures backwards
[09:27:34] <Wolf_> ok, HX711 board I got has E+ E-
[09:27:43] <Wolf_> along with the A and B
[09:28:10] <Wolf_> nm I found a pic that has matching board lol
[10:07:59] <archivist> tidied the code and web page a little and updated
[10:16:15] <Wolf_> looking at it now, populating my breadboad
[10:18:22] <archivist> E&OE
[10:38:04] <MacGalempsy> morning
[10:39:35] <BeachBumPete> http://i.imgur.com/EiC9FGU.png
[10:45:25] <root-x> github is down?
[10:46:32] <archivist> another channel just said "Major service outage"
[10:47:13] <MacGalempsy> hey pete. no work today?
[10:47:50] <BeachBumPete> No actually, I took the whole week off to spend time with my son who is home on leave from the US NAVY
[10:48:30] <MacGalempsy> oh yeah. what trouble are you guys getting into?
[10:49:02] <BeachBumPete> Well we spend the entire day yesterday out on our Kayaks fishing, had a blast, got some fish, some sunburn, LOL
[10:49:15] <roycroft> how's the weather down there, beachbumpete?
[10:49:26] <BeachBumPete> freaking beautiful man...
[10:49:34] <roycroft> i have a shipment from fedex that they claim has been held up in orlando since last saturday because "of a weather situation"
[10:49:35] <BeachBumPete> I caught my first snook..
[10:49:40] <roycroft> i'm trying to figure out what that can possibly be
[10:49:48] <MacGalempsy> sounds like a fish out of water :)
[10:49:51] <BeachBumPete> it was a SMALL one but it was a snook
[10:50:02] <roycroft> sounds like the situation is that it's too nice, and the drivers are taking time off to go to the beach
[10:50:14] <BeachBumPete> right now I am building a pair of rocket launchers for my kayaks from PVC pipe fittings ;)
[10:50:33] <MacGalempsy> lol. sugar rockets?
[10:50:44] <BeachBumPete> I am also building a pair of 360 degree light/flag poles for them so I can fish at night
[10:50:56] <BeachBumPete> No they are like fishing rod racks
[10:51:41] <MacGalempsy> i was thinking they were used when the paddle gets deep sixed
[10:52:16] <BeachBumPete> https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Q4I9SqPmugk/hqdefault.jpg something like that
[10:54:33] <Wolf_> archivist: mi5 is now on my desk
[10:54:38] <BeachBumPete> http://s856.photobucket.com/user/CRL_Yakker/media/RocketLauncher2.jpg.html
[10:57:33] <MacGalempsy> that looks cool.
[10:57:44] <archivist> Wolf_, tested it yet!
[10:57:47] <MacGalempsy> any cnc work going into it?
[10:58:01] <MacGalempsy> mi5?
[10:58:05] <BeachBumPete> yeah I like them. My kayak actually already has four different rod holders but I need to add the light pole in the center and there is no mount for it.
[10:58:30] <archivist> MacGalempsy, a renishaw toy
[10:58:37] <MacGalempsy> cool
[10:58:41] <BeachBumPete> I also want to be able to add a gopro camera mount behind me to film our fishing adventures so I need more holes LOL
[10:59:03] <MacGalempsy> make that pole strong enough to support a stripper
[10:59:26] <BeachBumPete> you mean a striper? hehehe
[10:59:35] <MacGalempsy> ;) yep
[10:59:47] <BeachBumPete> its just a collapsible PVC pole with a lantern light at the top.
[10:59:57] <BeachBumPete> supposed to be going night fishing tonight maybe
[11:00:13] <BeachBumPete> they are catching a lot of pompano and sea trout around the docks and piers right now.
[11:01:07] <BeachBumPete> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4VyKAmx8gg Next item on the build list ;)
[11:01:41] <MacGalempsy> stereo system?
[11:02:01] <BeachBumPete> no 40lb thrust electric trolling motor mount ;)
[11:02:34] <BeachBumPete> I like paddling as much as the next guy but getting to these islands in the intracoastal waterway can be a LONG paddle back sometimes hehe
[11:02:59] <MacGalempsy> i bet!
[11:03:46] <MacGalempsy> does FL make you license the boat without a motor?
[11:04:32] <BeachBumPete> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJc5qFIOmio&feature=youtu.be this guy makes a nice mount that uses a linear actuator to raise and lower the motor
[11:04:45] <BeachBumPete> no no license unless it has a motor
[11:04:54] <BeachBumPete> so I would have to license them if I put the motor on it
[11:06:02] <BeachBumPete> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjikH6qi-hQ this video shows the mount pretty well...
[11:06:53] <BeachBumPete> its honestly dead simple build
[11:07:04] <BeachBumPete> my kayak is different but very similar
[11:07:10] <BeachBumPete> he sells them for $150
[11:07:22] <BeachBumPete> not sure if I want to just buy it or roll my own
[11:07:39] <BeachBumPete> he also sells a pole anchor mount that adds on which would come in very handy in the flats
[11:09:50] <MacGalempsy> looks good.
[11:10:08] <BeachBumPete> It does actually.
[11:10:25] <BeachBumPete> I like how it folds up in case you hit anything underwater or for transport
[11:10:56] <BeachBumPete> its just aluminum plate and some rectangular tube and a door hinge LOL
[11:11:17] <BeachBumPete> but he puts it together nicely
[11:11:57] <BeachBumPete> and it sure seems to make that 14 foot Jackson Cuda of his fully loaded and carrying him down the river with authority
[11:12:49] <BeachBumPete> Its like a baby bass boat for poor people hehehe
[11:13:11] <Wolf_> archivist: http://i.imgur.com/csrH12r.jpg mostly done, hooking the mi5 up now to test
[11:13:29] <BeachBumPete> what is that?
[11:14:08] <Wolf_> http://www.archivist.info/cnc/Arduino_Probe_Interface/ this
[11:16:12] <BeachBumPete> aah ok
[11:16:18] <BeachBumPete> so its a non contact probe setup?
[11:16:44] <Wolf_> using a renishaw (ball and rods) probe
[11:16:53] <BeachBumPete> ooh nice
[11:16:57] <BeachBumPete> what machine?
[11:17:25] <Wolf_> any machine lol
[11:17:33] <MacGalempsy> since when does one need a machine?
[11:18:04] <BeachBumPete> I meant what machine are YOU putting the probe on?
[11:18:37] <Wolf_> X2 or anything else I can put it in :)
[11:18:46] <BeachBumPete> aah
[11:18:56] <Wolf_> I got a MP1s probe with a 3/4” shank
[11:19:04] <BeachBumPete> hes putting a probe on an X2 and I have a VMC without one :(
[11:19:20] <Wolf_> lol
[11:19:35] <Wolf_> I have under $200 in to the probe and mi5 box right now
[11:19:41] <jdh> buy one
[11:19:50] <jdh> and a toolpost grinder
[11:20:11] <BeachBumPete> I don't even have a CNC lathe working yet let alone a toolpost grinder heh
[11:20:19] <Wolf_> jdh, I have the probe already… still up in the air for the toolpost grinder
[11:20:23] <BeachBumPete> too busy working on kayak schtuff
[11:20:48] <Wolf_> I might get the toolpost grinder just to resell...
[11:21:14] <jdh> you could be a commercial kayak fisherman
[11:23:14] <MacGalempsy> pete i got a tp2 that i could work a deal with
[11:25:03] <BeachBumPete> Tp2?
[11:25:13] <MacGalempsy> renishaw tp2
[11:25:52] <MacGalempsy> it needs adjustment
[11:26:03] <BeachBumPete> not familiar with that one
[11:26:11] <BeachBumPete> you mean its crashed to hell ;)
[11:26:59] <MacGalempsy> not to hell :)
[11:27:07] <BeachBumPete> hehehe
[11:27:11] <MacGalempsy> it still transmits
[11:27:45] <MacGalempsy> the probe just looks to sit at an angle
[11:27:47] <BeachBumPete> transmits? it wireless?
[11:28:02] <MacGalempsy> no its wired.
[11:28:20] <BeachBumPete> isnt it adjustable? or is it just bent
[11:28:48] <MacGalempsy> heck. i could send it to you. if its works out, then we'll sort things out
[11:29:09] <MacGalempsy> i think its adjustable
[11:29:36] <MacGalempsy> i started using the tp1 because the wire is removable
[11:29:50] <MacGalempsy> and its straight ;)
[11:30:48] <BeachBumPete> what do you mean removable?
[11:31:08] <sync_> hm, wires must be annoying on a probe
[11:31:15] <sync_> I wonder how you deal with that in the tool changer
[11:31:36] <BeachBumPete> I need to be able to stuff it in a cat40
[11:31:44] <jdh> have your minion plug in the wire
[11:31:53] <MacGalempsy> there is a socket on the probe, where the tp2 is hardwired to the probe
[11:31:53] <BeachBumPete> my machine is prewired for probes and fourth axis
[11:33:15] <BeachBumPete> so yours does not remove then?
[11:34:26] <MacGalempsy> which one?
[11:34:56] <BeachBumPete> the one you are trying to pawn off on me ;)
[11:35:23] <BeachBumPete> what machine are you using yours on?
[11:35:28] <MacGalempsy> it has a permanent pigtail
[11:35:42] <MacGalempsy> i have it in the benchman
[11:35:46] <BeachBumPete> how many wires in the pigtail?
[11:35:52] <MacGalempsy> one
[11:36:05] <BeachBumPete> so you could relatively easily make a quick release
[11:36:15] <MacGalempsy> let me take a pic
[11:36:26] <BeachBumPete> are you using the other one in the toolchanger?
[11:36:56] <MacGalempsy> pjk
[11:36:58] <MacGalempsy> 0
[11:37:22] * BeachBumPete scratches head
[11:38:55] <BeachBumPete> http://www.omnitech-renishaw.com/images/detailed/2/1057_OMP40.jpg?t=1419037259 :)
[11:39:09] <archivist> Wolf_, will have to fiddle the LCD part of the code for that display
[11:39:48] * archivist spots the adjustable again
[11:39:53] <Wolf_> yeah, I’m aware of that
[11:40:28] <archivist> I am just wiring the new LCD I got
[11:41:01] <MacGalempsy> https://flic.kr/p/QXUaCm
[11:41:39] <BeachBumPete> looks nice man is there no probe tip?
[11:41:46] <MacGalempsy> i tried to shoot a video of the probe rolling so you can see the need for adjustment
[11:42:15] <MacGalempsy> yeah. ill throw one in
[11:42:28] <BeachBumPete> what do you mean rolling? is the body bent?
[11:42:58] <MacGalempsy> no the lower silver part removes from the probe body
[11:43:12] <Wolf_> archivist: http://i.imgur.com/OUoQY3u.jpg http://i.imgur.com/QyzKthL.jpg
[11:43:14] <MacGalempsy> so i unscrewed it
[11:44:55] <MacGalempsy> so to get it to work, i used a mi8
[11:44:59] <archivist> Wolf_, I wonder what is hidden inside the black box, looks similar to the thing on the PCBs on the way to me
[11:45:38] <MacGalempsy> but maybe that thing Wolf made would work
[11:46:23] <BeachBumPete> so you are trying to make an arduino do the same thing as that renishaw box I suppose?
[11:46:30] <archivist> yes
[11:46:57] <BeachBumPete> is the probe signal odd or something can't you just wire it into an input?
[11:47:23] * BeachBumPete has no idea ;)
[11:47:45] <archivist> the contacts wear so later they learned how to measure contact resistance and use that for the trigger point
[11:47:50] <Wolf_> probe is just a NC switch (to over simplify it)
[11:48:31] <archivist> look at US5272817 for the reasons
[11:48:37] <archivist> patent
[11:49:47] <BeachBumPete> is this type of probe the 3 point rod/pin type not the strain gauge type?
[11:49:56] <archivist> also the arduino has a measuring function to measure side force which varies with contact direction
[11:50:34] <archivist> this is the 6 balls 3 rod type
[11:51:21] <Wolf_> I don’t know whats in that PRM 30A box, but it seems like a solid potted block
[11:51:53] <archivist> well 3 coming to me so could sacrifice one
[11:53:00] <archivist> I bet they were hiding the comparator and capacitor of that old patent
[11:54:02] <Wolf_> http://i.imgur.com/q69NqFL.jpg
[11:56:17] <archivist> that block looks a similar size ish to the PI6-2 I have here
[11:57:53] <Wolf_> thanks to 2 sided boards with no traces hidden, might not be too hard to figure out what goes in/out of that block at the least
[11:59:42] <Wolf_> hmmm http://i.imgur.com/XP1rl4d.jpg
[11:59:46] <archivist> ew I see that has adjustable trigger reference
[12:00:30] <Wolf_> had…
[12:01:51] <archivist> I was also thinking of the inboard preset/trimmer
[12:02:50] <archivist> although that looks like power supply
[12:03:41] <Wolf_> notice the trace that was cut out
[12:04:04] <archivist> to stop external yes
[12:11:49] <Wolf_> well, mi5 box works
[12:13:21] <Wolf_> 12v across the probe when open
[12:27:39] <IchGucksLive> hi
[12:32:39] <archivist> Wolf_, updated the code a bit to remove the LCD fiddles for my old LCD odd character set
[12:32:46] <root-x> Im not remember what software for windodws can put linuxcnc on a usb
[12:33:20] <Wolf_> archivist: cool
[12:33:24] <IchGucksLive> Root what windows
[12:33:44] <Wolf_> I can’t quite figure out the output on the mi5
[12:33:54] <jymmm> unetbootin
[12:34:23] <sync_> Wolf_: looks like the ssr is the output
[12:34:52] <Wolf_> my mi5 doesn’t match any of the manuals
[12:35:08] <IchGucksLive> root-x: http://www.isotousb.com/
[12:35:10] <Wolf_> no dip switches, only one terminal row...
[12:35:23] <archivist> Wolf_, probably a relay contact for isolation see reed relay in the IC socket marked CRYDOM
[12:35:49] <Wolf_> sk1
[12:35:51] <jymmm> https://unetbootin.github.io/
[12:37:21] <archivist> I hate the fact all the older manuals are not on their site
[12:42:01] <root-x> IchGucksLive thx go test
[12:42:21] <root-x> jymmm unetbootin not
[12:43:47] <root-x> i tested unetbootin and rufus and universal usb installer..... no one save the master boot
[12:44:03] <root-x> i tested wintoflash and save a masterboot but with errors
[12:46:25] <root-x> all with the last .iso from linuxcnc
[12:53:23] <Wolf_> archivist: well, I can see it pulling down on one side of CRYDOM ic
[12:56:25] <Wolf_> guess that means that relay is dead
[13:01:08] <sync_> yes
[13:01:24] <Wolf_> yay? ...
[13:03:43] <jymmm> root-x: save the MBR? Why if you are booting from the stick would it ned to save any previous MBR?
[13:07:48] <Wolf_> so, where to find a replacement ssr for this?
[13:07:59] <root-x> dont know, normaly with unebootin was ok
[13:08:36] <root-x> but new pendrive
[13:09:10] <jymmm> which you must format BEFORE using with unetbootin
[13:09:21] * Loetmichel_ drove the new student worker who had his first day today from the company to the railway station this evening... i dont think he will sit in the same car with me ever again... 150hp + rwd + front engine + 2 tons + ice rain = Loetmichel -> ghetto ken block... "whats does that yellow trinagle light with the car and the SS in it blinking in the cocpit mean?" "oh, nothing, really. *pushing
[13:09:21] * Loetmichel_ the ASR OFF button*" ;)
[13:09:31] <Loetmichel_> *evil grin*
[13:10:41] <CaptHindsightyer> did I miss anything?
[13:11:01] <jymmm> CaptHindsightyer: just Loetmichel_ being evil
[13:11:49] <jymmm> Hmmm, today is Friday the 13th
[13:11:56] <Loetmichel_> it is ;-)
[13:12:06] <MacGalempsy> lol. he may ask you for lessons!
[13:12:44] <jymmm> Loetmichel_: Just so you know... Payback is a bitch if he gets so incluined
[13:13:01] <CaptHindsightyer> moving sucks
[13:13:02] <Loetmichel_> MacGalempsy: i drive a (for european folk) big heavy station wagon. not a ricer ;)
[13:13:54] <Loetmichel_> its i bit differnt feeling in that when you can see the oncoming traffic out of the side window :-)
[13:14:04] <Loetmichel_> -i+a
[13:14:51] <IchGucksLive> Gn8
[13:15:01] <MacGalempsy> rice is not the best, but repair parts are usualky cheal
[13:15:06] <MacGalempsy> cheap
[13:15:31] <MacGalempsy> i saw a guy driving a bmw i8 like a granny.
[13:16:05] <MacGalempsy> cool looking car, pretty rare to see something like that around here
[13:16:16] <CaptHindsightyer> I'm getting quotes ~$1k for a 40ft shipping container....
[13:16:39] <CaptHindsightyer> anyone have a source in the midwest?
[13:17:06] <Wolf_> like $1700 here for one...
[13:17:14] <MacGalempsy> Cap that is a good price, but what about delivery?
[13:17:25] <CaptHindsightyer> ^ used and still seals
[13:17:39] <CaptHindsightyer> delivery is ~$300
[13:17:51] <MacGalempsy> then you should go for it.
[13:17:58] <CaptHindsightyer> they are sold as next off the stack
[13:18:03] <jymmm> rust? painted?
[13:18:07] <jymmm> dented?
[13:18:25] <MacGalempsy> around here they are 2k plus delivery, which was >$50p
[13:18:28] <Loetmichel_> MacGalempsy: hihi, here in germany my car is considered a "grandpa car"
[13:18:29] <jymmm> is the floor in tact?
[13:18:33] <CaptHindsightyer> so no picking unless you stand there with a trailer on a busy day
[13:19:01] <Loetmichel_> ... so i did it the other way around, drifting around every turn ;)
[13:19:07] <CaptHindsightyer> these are good floors, water tight, maybe some surface rust, still sea worthy
[13:19:13] <Loetmichel_> the ice rain helped a bit tho ;)
[13:19:31] <MacGalempsy> Loetmichel_: nice. grandpa's cars are less likely to have the radio stolen
[13:19:37] <CaptHindsightyer> oh and these are 9.5ft high
[13:19:42] <jymmm> CaptHindsightyer: ask for pics
[13:20:04] <CaptHindsightyer> jymmm they just show you a stack of 100
[13:20:15] <Loetmichel_> MacGalempsy: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=11969
[13:20:17] <CaptHindsightyer> you get the next one off the stack
[13:20:20] <jymmm> CaptHindsightyer: I'd say no thanks
[13:20:24] <Loetmichel_> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=11975
[13:21:01] <MacGalempsy> rotate the symbol 45 deg and its the Flash
[13:21:06] <Loetmichel_> 2 tons of pure boredom... if it hadnt the 2,5 liters turbocharged 6cyl diesel with 150hp ;)
[13:21:17] <Loetmichel_> (and a bit of help from bad tyres and ice rain)
[13:21:52] <Loetmichel_> <- thinks about chipping it to ~190hp ;)
[13:21:58] <jymmm> CaptHindsightyer: next off the stake is fine, but there needs to be a minimal condition imo
[13:23:30] <CaptHindsightyer> jymm they go 1) brand new, 2)used and fully sea worthy, 3) rain and wind tight but no longer sear worthy, 4) it's a metal box
[13:23:53] <jymmm> http://www.containerhome.info/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/shipping-container-floor-2.jpg
[13:24:17] <jymmm> http://containerauction.com/images/20150720_container-damage.jpg
[13:24:51] <CaptHindsightyer> those are vented :)
[13:25:12] <jymmm> CaptHindsightyer: if you are spending $1000+, they can send photos of actual item
[13:26:44] <MacGalempsy> lol. precut for your new modern home design
[13:26:53] <CaptHindsightyer> https://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/fod/5945168276.html and similar
[13:27:15] <MacGalempsy> st louis may be a good spot
[13:30:11] <Loetmichel> if a semi license wouldnt be so expensive in germany... and a garage that can fit that to work on it
[13:30:25] <Loetmichel> ... i would make a new RV out of a military truck again.
[13:30:59] <Wolf_> this mi5 ssr thing has me lost… can’t find any info on the chip anywhere
[13:31:53] <CaptHindsightyer> "Due to the size of this item, no return will be accepted and the sale will be final." :)
[13:34:00] <MacGalempsy> heh. of course. i guess thats why they are being sold at rock bottom prices
[13:36:01] <jymmm> CaptHindsightyer: http://www.containersinchicago.com/
[13:43:17] <MacGalempsy> anyone in here drive a sprinter van?
[13:43:34] <Loetmichel> MacGalempsy: occasionally
[13:43:50] <Wolf_> .. here i was expecting output from the mi5 box, derp just relay output
[13:44:13] <MacGalempsy> how do you like it?
[13:44:36] <Loetmichel> nice transporter
[13:44:53] <Loetmichel> tends to "swim" a bit when empty and at 100++mph tho
[13:46:16] <Loetmichel> and i heard from the boss of a fellow company that the new ones tend to rust at the doors after a couple of years (!)
[13:46:23] <MacGalempsy> lol. we cant go that fast here, maybe 85 max on a good day
[13:46:36] <Loetmichel> <- german
[13:47:02] <Loetmichel> "autobahn" ya know?
[13:47:08] <MacGalempsy> yeah.
[13:47:18] <MacGalempsy> tradeoffs
[13:47:50] <MacGalempsy> i like the 911tt :)
[13:48:33] <Loetmichel> "our" sprinter tops out at about 112mph anyway, so not much lost. ;-)
[13:48:48] <MacGalempsy> but, been looking for a transporter for equipment and camping.
[13:49:00] <Loetmichel> should do the job nicely
[13:49:29] <Loetmichel> just look for rust on the door bottoms when buying second hand
[15:01:41] <gregcnc> CaptHindsightyer must have been a rough move were you been
[15:17:43] <MacGalempsy> omg. actually just filled out an employment application! lol
[15:32:00] <root-x> finally install linuxcnc from a usb, created with rufus in Windows... but need to "click" the option: Add fixess for old BIOSes (Extra partition, Align, Etc)
[15:40:00] <MacGalempsy> fun
[16:20:46] <Deejay> gn8
[16:55:46] <MacGalempsy> brrrrr it is cold out there!
[17:03:09] <JT-Shop2> damn it's hot in here
[17:12:13] <jymmm> JT-Shop2: you got the wood stove all installed?
[17:17:34] <JT-Shop2> been done for a while now
[17:17:46] * JT-Shop2 just got a paycheck!
[17:41:49] <JT-Shop2> chance of showers for the next 7 days... glad I've got lots of inside work to get done
[17:46:29] <jdh> 78f today
[17:46:46] <JT-Shop2> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzcLcUjIPcQ
[18:13:06] <JT-Shop2> at the slow rate the itch is going up on the roof it will be next weekend before I'm done
[18:17:38] <jymmm> JT-Shop2: Well, unless you can fire that baby up (chimney included), then it aint done ;) What's let to do on the roof?
[18:17:40] <jymmm> left*
[18:23:21] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, how's the weather over there?
[18:23:40] <Tom_itx> no ice yet?
[18:25:14] <JT-Shop2> ice was north of me about 75 miles
[18:25:31] <JT-Shop2> like I said jymmm I'm done with the wood heater a while back
[18:25:44] <Tom_itx> we're supposed to get some but haven't yet
[18:25:47] <JT-Shop2> Tom_itx: did you try the latest version
[18:25:55] <Tom_itx> it's running
[18:25:58] <Tom_itx> index thing?
[18:26:01] <JT-Shop2> sweet
[18:26:03] <JT-Shop2> yea
[18:26:14] <JT-Shop2> you should not be able to tell when the index is built
[18:27:02] <Tom_itx> unless i say something at 12:00:01 and try to view it
[18:27:41] <JT-Shop2> it builds the index in the background then just writes over the old one so just a second to do that
[18:27:54] <JT-Shop2> index
[18:27:54] <c-log> JT-Shop2: The #linuxcnc index http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:82/~tom-itx/irc/logs/%23linuxcnc/index.html
[18:27:55] <Tom_itx> yeah
[18:28:41] <JT-Shop2> lol you changed the time to show seconds?
[18:28:54] <Tom_itx> someone requested it
[18:29:09] <JT-Shop2> pretty anal lol
[18:29:18] <JT-Shop2> the logs are in order
[18:29:24] <Tom_itx> i know
[18:29:31] <Tom_itx> i added the cst thing
[18:29:39] <JT-Shop2> saw that too
[18:30:11] <JT-Shop2> might make more sense to put the cst at the top
[18:30:42] <Tom_itx> maybe, i figure if they're reading it they'll want to see the latest conversation
[18:31:02] <JT-Shop2> they have to scroll down to see that
[18:31:12] <JT-Shop2> I see some logs are still the old style
[18:31:22] <Tom_itx> all
[18:31:26] <Tom_itx> i put them back
[18:31:32] <Tom_itx> i had some that ended up blank
[18:31:46] <JT-Shop2> the conversion script gave you an error?
[18:31:59] <Tom_itx> no error but they were empty
[18:32:08] <Tom_itx> some of the older ones
[18:32:12] <JT-Shop2> tell me what date and I can see what the issue is
[18:32:42] * JT-Shop2 heads inside
[18:32:48] <JT-Shop2> see you in the am
[18:33:01] <Tom_itx> thanks for all the work
[18:33:42] <Tom_itx> it would probably be any that have color for the person other than red
[18:34:20] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:82/~tom-itx/irc/logs/%23avr/2011-10-20.html
[21:28:33] <Rino> anyone on this chanel?
[21:29:12] <Rino> hoping to find someone to explain me this line.
[21:29:14] <Rino> boost::lockfree::queue<message_t, boost::lockfree::capacity<128>> rtapi_msg_queue;
[21:34:15] <Rino> hi
[21:56:41] <zeeshan> random piece of advice for anyone creating g-code from cam
[21:56:54] <zeeshan> customize your post processor to output all safety code per operation
[21:57:02] <zeeshan> rather than only at the header of the program
[21:57:14] <zeeshan> that way you can restart g-code per operation without any trouble
[21:58:05] <zeeshan> second piece of advice, don't use H offsets! or D offsets programmed to a specific tool number, use parameters!!!!!!!!!!
[21:58:12] <zeeshan> i haven't found something equivalent in linuxcnc yet
[21:58:31] <zeeshan> on the mazak there is parameter #3020 which refers to the current spindle tool's d and H parameter
[21:59:06] <zeeshan> do you typically do T03M06, G43 H#3020
[21:59:13] <zeeshan> to call tool 3's parameter
[21:59:20] <zeeshan> for height
[21:59:27] <zeeshan> anyone know what it is in linuxcnc?
[22:11:55] <jdh> 5410 - Current Tool Diameter
[22:16:06] <zeeshan> what about current tool height
[22:16:15] <jdh> no clue
[22:18:02] <jdh> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.4/html/gcode_overview.html#sub:Numbered-Parameters
[22:19:14] <zeeshan> i think it'd be 5403
[22:20:30] <jdh> seems likely, but...
[22:21:10] <jdh> you can find out with a (DEBUG,)
[23:15:24] <MacGalempsy> tgif!
[23:15:51] <MacGalempsy> but cold and rain here, probably icy af tomorrow