#linuxcnc | Logs for 2017-01-08

[00:00:26] <zeeshan> https://www.google.ca/maps/@47.1625284,-81.089725,8754m/data=!3m1!1e3
[00:00:32] <zeeshan> i will not give my top secret spots!
[00:00:35] <zeeshan> but its around there!
[00:01:00] <zeeshan> you can see a logging road near there
[00:01:29] <zeeshan> its about a 6 mile hike from the logging road
[00:01:30] <pfred1> well, it almost worked
[00:01:37] <MacGalempsy> looks swampy
[00:01:45] <zeeshan> yes
[00:01:55] <MacGalempsy> paternaster lakes?
[00:01:59] <MacGalempsy> sp?
[00:02:24] <MacGalempsy> Paternoster
[00:02:49] <MacGalempsy> just seeing those lakes reminds me swamps
[00:03:04] <zeeshan> i have the claims map
[00:03:08] <zeeshan> its not swamp where im going
[00:03:24] <zeeshan> lots of bog
[00:03:55] <zeeshan> sometimes people call bog's swamps
[00:03:59] <zeeshan> or vice versa
[00:04:04] <MacGalempsy> yeah.
[00:04:08] <zeeshan> but to me a bog peat and crap that's grown on top
[00:04:10] <MacGalempsy> not sure what the differences are
[00:04:12] <zeeshan> and its solid to walk on
[00:04:21] <zeeshan> swamp to me is almost always imersed in water
[00:04:30] <MacGalempsy> ah ok
[00:04:40] * zeeshan isnt a geologist :)
[00:04:44] <MacGalempsy> that makes sense. so are you mapping out the geology first?
[00:04:54] <MacGalempsy> that is a geomorphologist :P
[00:04:59] <zeeshan> no this is not to do anything with geology
[00:05:04] <zeeshan> this is for survival skills
[00:05:09] <zeeshan> there is no special minerals in this area
[00:05:24] <MacGalempsy> you should make an awesome survival knife for the trip
[00:05:34] <MacGalempsy> make one for your wife too
[00:05:37] <zeeshan> haha
[00:06:02] <pfred1> never take a knife you care about too much camping
[00:06:49] <pfred1> get some cheap ass K Bar knock off
[00:07:03] <MacGalempsy> nahhh... in a survival situation you need your best knife
[00:07:10] <zeeshan> my daily knife is a benchmade 940
[00:07:16] <pfred1> yeah i want to stoke a fire with a good knife
[00:07:32] <zeeshan> my wood carving knive is some german thing
[00:07:34] <zeeshan> i forget the name
[00:07:44] <zeeshan> puma
[00:08:02] <pfred1> I went camping once and apsized the canoe I was in in a lake hundreds of feet deep
[00:08:07] <zeeshan> jesus
[00:08:11] <pfred1> ah a k55K
[00:08:52] <pfred1> we were trying to outrun a violent thunderstorm
[00:09:04] <pfred1> it's tough to outrun things in a canoe
[00:09:27] <zeeshan> it's crazy how a little lake
[00:09:29] <zeeshan> can get so violent
[00:09:31] <zeeshan> so quick.
[00:09:55] <pfred1> actually come to think about it that happened in Round Pond
[00:10:06] <pfred1> but up in Maine ponds can run ovr a mile in diameter
[00:10:20] <zeeshan> you guys need to come to canada
[00:10:27] <Tom_L> why?
[00:10:27] <zeeshan> premium wildness!!!!!!!!!
[00:10:28] <pfred1> I was north of Canada
[00:10:38] <zeeshan> whats north of canada
[00:10:39] <zeeshan> russia?
[00:10:40] <zeeshan> :D
[00:10:45] <pfred1> parts of upstate Maine
[00:10:49] <Tom_L> zeeshan you still goin to Arizona?
[00:10:54] <zeeshan> nevada
[00:10:55] <MacGalempsy> I only canoe on rivers now (less paddleing)
[00:10:57] <zeeshan> prolly
[00:11:01] <Tom_L> same diff
[00:11:12] <pfred1> MacGalempsy yeah we took power boats after that
[00:11:37] <pfred1> I have to say canoing it things did seem further
[00:11:49] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/Oc9qdyg.jpg
[00:11:53] <zeeshan> i love being in stuff like this
[00:12:09] <zeeshan> 100 mile radius of this kind of stuff
[00:12:43] <zeeshan> pfred1: you haven't seen this photo that i posted
[00:12:44] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/43RlyEn.jpg
[00:12:53] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/uD0LZyH.jpg
[00:12:55] <zeeshan> CANADA!!!!!!
[00:13:16] <pfred1> that looks just like a place where we camp out
[00:13:27] <pfred1> right by the ranger station
[00:13:33] <zeeshan> what state
[00:13:37] <pfred1> Maine
[00:13:41] <zeeshan> yes maine is pretty
[00:13:49] <pfred1> in the Allagash Wilderness Waterway
[00:14:07] <pfred1> between Round Pond and Chamberlain Lake
[00:14:19] <pfred1> there's a logging road there that looks like that
[00:14:30] <zeeshan> looks very logged
[00:15:20] <pfred1> here's a picture of me up there http://i.imgur.com/itjMwkg.jpg
[00:15:41] <zeeshan> that is an old pic! :D
[00:15:45] <pfred1> yes it is
[00:15:51] <zeeshan> looks pretty
[00:15:58] <pfred1> it's peaceful
[00:16:13] <pfred1> you can go for days and not see anyone
[00:18:02] <pfred1> this needs work http://i.imgur.com/f2qfuW3.png
[00:18:26] <Tom_L> zeeshan your opinion..
[00:18:29] <Tom_L> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:82/~tom-itx/irc/logs/%23linuxcnc/2017-01-07.html
[00:18:32] <pfred1> I can almost see it
[00:18:35] <Tom_L> playing with the time format at the bottom
[00:18:39] <Tom_L> which is best?
[00:18:58] <MacGalempsy> pfred1: what size mill do you use to cut that font?
[00:19:21] <MacGalempsy> i guess how big does it end up being?
[00:19:22] <pfred1> MacGalempsy I tried a 3mm one with that processing
[00:19:53] <zeeshan> [18:16:23] i personally like that ;[
[00:20:07] <zeeshan> a note saying CST would be useful though
[00:20:19] <pfred1> use GMT
[00:20:20] <Tom_L> i liked it as well but it got changed
[00:20:43] <Tom_L> zeeshan does CST make the line too long?
[00:21:05] <zeeshan> yes it does
[00:21:27] <Tom_L> what if it was 24hr format instead?
[00:21:30] <Tom_L> still too long?
[00:21:31] <pfred1> I still kind of want to run this file
[00:22:08] <zeeshan> [18:16:23] is compact
[00:22:13] <Tom_L> i agree
[00:22:21] <Tom_L> with no CST?
[00:22:25] <zeeshan> yea
[00:22:28] <zeeshan> a note at the bottom of the page
[00:22:29] <zeeshan> or top
[00:22:34] <Tom_L> thats how it's been for years
[00:22:37] <zeeshan> should just say "CST time"
[00:22:37] <zeeshan> :p
[00:22:47] <Tom_L> JT thought 12 hr was better
[00:23:02] <Tom_L> i could put that in the footer
[00:25:11] <MacGalempsy> some epoch battleing tonight
[00:26:22] <Tom_L> heh
[00:28:24] <Tom_L> zeeshan is that better?
[00:29:06] <Tom_L> the CST follows the log
[00:32:26] <Tom_L> odd
[00:38:23] <pfred1> this almost looks like it worked
[00:38:41] <MacGalempsy> well gents, its been real and its been fun, but has it been real fun? nuh-uh
[00:38:52] <MacGalempsy> good night
[00:38:59] <Tom_L> later
[00:42:32] <pfred1> I think if I would have used a smaller diameter mill it would have worked
[00:53:09] <zeeshan> yes
[00:53:10] <zeeshan> much better
[00:53:15] <zeeshan> i was thinking in the shower
[00:53:27] <zeeshan> what'd be nice is if the webpage recognized the user's time zone
[00:53:34] <zeeshan> and converted the time to their time zone
[00:53:50] <zeeshan> but then all the dates will change :/
[02:43:06] <Deejay> moin
[03:13:13] <XXCoder> hey
[03:13:22] <XXCoder> some morning music for you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NDtsCp6RQc
[03:15:38] <Deejay> hey XXCoder
[03:15:50] <XXCoder> enjoyed music?
[03:16:05] <Deejay> yeah
[03:16:07] <Deejay> still listening
[03:17:02] <XXCoder> other channel guy menioned dog barks at certain stages of cnc machine running, that was my joke reply
[03:17:33] <Deejay> oh, perhaps the noise is not good for the dog
[03:17:42] <Deejay> they hear more than we do ;)
[03:17:48] <XXCoder> yeah
[04:23:00] <XXCoder> taping the edges of powerbox means less ice cold wind from uti
[04:23:07] <XXCoder> but wall itself is still ice cold
[04:23:09] <XXCoder> wheee
[04:23:26] <XXCoder> in least its not too much air movement so coat isnt needed
[04:43:35] <ayjay_t> wow so i'm window shopping and its not really that hard to make a high precision gantry, it seems like
[04:43:53] <ayjay_t> theres a ton of companies advertising 10um even down to 1nm accuracy this is really really amazing to me
[04:44:13] <SpeedEvil> resolution and precision aren't the same thing
[04:44:38] <XXCoder> if its chinese resolution / 10
[04:44:55] <XXCoder> sigh *...
[04:44:59] <SpeedEvil> measuring 1um is 'easy' - getting a machine that will place your tool accurately at a spot defined by that resolution meaningfully is not
[04:45:11] <SpeedEvil> Especially if it's more than one axes.
[04:45:27] <ayjay_t> why do two axii matter? orthogonality
[04:45:28] <SpeedEvil> especially if there are nontrivial forces, and movement.
[04:45:28] <ayjay_t> ?
[04:45:41] <SpeedEvil> ayjay_t: because you have to mount the axes on each other.
[04:45:42] <ayjay_t> yeah i mean, i can see how it would be much higher at high speed with all that force
[04:46:04] <ayjay_t> but if you move slow enough and have a super high gear ratio can't you get down to 1um through working out the equations ?
[04:46:20] <ayjay_t> like and maybe just getting precision machined rails
[04:46:22] <SpeedEvil> The machine flexes, thermal expansion, ...
[04:46:46] <ayjay_t> vibrations too
[04:46:57] <XXCoder> sensor errors, stepper skips if not servo...
[04:47:07] <ayjay_t> i figure vibrations would be a big deal. i saw this pick and place machine on a 1000kg concrete block...
[04:47:24] <ayjay_t> but the anti-vibration tables we had on our probe station were pneumatic, but you can't do that if you're moving a lot of froce
[04:47:27] <ayjay_t> force*
[04:48:13] <SpeedEvil> ayjay_t: http://frank.villaro-dixon.eu/public_upload/Foundations%20of%20Mechanical%20Accuracy%20by%20Wayne%20R%20Moore%20-%201970.pdf
[04:48:20] <SpeedEvil> I strongly recommend reading this.
[04:48:26] <ayjay_t> i was looking at this: https://www.aerotech.com/product-catalog/gantry-system/ags15000.aspx
[04:48:35] <ayjay_t> unfortunately i found none on ebay ;-)
[04:49:05] <SpeedEvil> I would be very surprised if that's much under $50000
[04:49:26] <SpeedEvil> And would not be surprised if it exceeds twice that
[04:49:28] <XXCoder> build your own, use epoxy grinate
[04:49:44] <ayjay_t> i am going to build my own!
[04:50:27] <ayjay_t> i'm going to build a whole assembly line, i don't know how much of it i'm going to buy and how much of it i'm going to make myself, but obviously i'm going to try to make much of it myself
[04:50:39] <SpeedEvil> But - seriously - the above book goes into machine design accuracy - and why it's hard.
[04:51:32] <ayjay_t> so if i read it i'll be able to build an accurate gantry :-)
[04:51:37] <ayjay_t> or 5
[04:51:57] <SpeedEvil> I especially like page 32 - showing 'insufficiently rigid' straight-edges
[04:52:19] <SpeedEvil> page 36 on the PDF
[04:55:26] <ayjay_t> but holy cow those are big blocks
[04:55:56] <ayjay_t> i've seen non-automatic gantries that are *huge* like for pulling out a motor
[04:56:34] <ayjay_t> i mean, if i wanna build a gantry, i'm thinking i'm going to be putting it together from parts right? so i need to find a manufacturer who sells linear guide rails of sufficient precision
[04:56:47] <SpeedEvil> That is one way to do it.
[04:57:25] <ayjay_t> i mean i can't start manufacturing the guide rails myself...
[04:57:46] <ayjay_t> we're probably gonna prototype/learn with servocity, i found them yesterday, and for a hobbyiest/low precision, they're stuff looks so easy to use
[04:58:05] <archivist> the rails are only as good as the surface they are mounted on
[04:59:02] <SpeedEvil> Everything adds up to make inaccuracy.
[04:59:06] <SpeedEvil> (or multiplies)
[04:59:06] <ayjay_t> i mean, we need a really really nice level, and a way to adjust the mount points
[04:59:12] <ayjay_t> multiplies yeah, thats the scary part
[04:59:37] <ayjay_t> if i get 10um accuracy/repeatability i'll be *through the roof* ecstatic
[04:59:52] <SpeedEvil> It would be nice if LASER metrology was up to simply brute-forcing it.
[05:00:01] <SpeedEvil> At a reasonable price.
[05:00:41] <ayjay_t> by accounting for deviations?
[05:00:52] <archivist> interferometry
[05:01:09] <ayjay_t> ugh why not just triangulation
[05:01:17] <SpeedEvil> By measuring at many khz rep-rate and being able to continually track and adjust position live.
[05:01:27] <SpeedEvil> So if the ways are warped, it doesn't really matter much.
[05:01:43] <ayjay_t> right! as long as you know your landing point and current position accurately
[05:01:54] <SpeedEvil> (it does massively complicate some aspects of the machine, and isn't as simple as that)
[05:02:08] <ayjay_t> we we're gonna try to make our own laser range finder
[05:02:24] <ayjay_t> out of a laser and a raw cmos HD camera
[05:02:38] <SpeedEvil> ...
[05:02:43] <SpeedEvil> Using what design.
[05:03:36] <ayjay_t> mine? i guess
[05:04:09] <archivist> I managed to drive an interferometer with a led laser ( chinese level)
[05:04:21] <ayjay_t> i just figured i could add an angle to the laser and if i had a hi-def camera and could sufficiently measure the displacemnt on the Y and X axis from the CMOS as the laser moves along the rail, i could accurately measure distance
[05:04:53] <archivist> pixel resolution not so good
[05:05:13] <ayjay_t> i have no idea, to be honest
[05:05:22] <archivist> far better to buy in some scales
[05:05:23] <ayjay_t> i don't know what factors compromise pixel resolution
[05:05:26] <SpeedEvil> The key is generally not resolving to pixels
[05:05:44] <SpeedEvil> but having everything result in ~10 pixel diameter blobs, which you can accurately centre-find
[05:05:53] <ayjay_t> SpeedEvil exactly!
[05:06:08] <ayjay_t> there should be a light intensity difference too
[05:06:56] <ayjay_t> i'm hoping we can get resolution from those two factors < 1 pixel
[05:07:07] <ayjay_t> powersupply to that laser is gotta be really really really nice tho
[05:07:31] <SpeedEvil> What is the optical basis of your design and ranging.
[05:07:50] <ayjay_t> ignorance
[05:07:55] <ayjay_t> i'm pretty sure my optical basis is ignorance
[05:08:00] <ayjay_t> because i really don't understand what you're asking me
[05:08:28] <SpeedEvil> Optical measurement is very, very hard to get right.
[05:08:52] <ayjay_t> really? i've never done it except for one time i made a pulse oximeter, which was pretty simple
[05:09:27] <ayjay_t> i mean, i figured if i pointed a laser with a solid solid solid power supply, at a CMOS array, and i collected data on it for a while, i could look at the data and determine what i was dealing with
[05:09:35] <archivist> you could use a camera to look at the fringes of the interference pattern of an interferometer
[05:10:00] <ayjay_t> so you guys are saying i can't just triangulate distance based on xy displacement and a known laser angle?
[05:10:17] <ayjay_t> because dats my plan
[05:10:40] <archivist> how do you know angle
[05:10:52] <ayjay_t> it'll have to be calibrated
[05:11:16] <ayjay_t> we'll use a high accuracy short-range caliper to get the Y axis for a certian Z displacement on the camera
[05:11:34] <ayjay_t> and then we'll model the setup
[05:11:42] <ayjay_t> extrapolate the data to longer lengths
[05:12:05] <ayjay_t> we can also *rent* super accurate laser range finders and use it to calibrate our home made one
[05:12:17] <archivist> you should look at optical scales, microns and little effort
[05:12:44] <ayjay_t> what do you mean? little effort lol
[05:13:24] <ayjay_t> you just mean ill find easier solutions if i google optical scales, microns
[05:14:08] <ayjay_t> huh brunsons, interesting
[05:18:51] <ayjay_t> we'll see how it goes, i guess. it must be hard to get that kind of precision but i don't know *how* hard it is
[05:19:01] <ayjay_t> i feel like you never really understand something until you try to do it yourself
[05:20:03] <archivist> I know, I collect a few bits of measuring gear and like to test them
[05:21:10] <ayjay_t> i run a two person embedded systems programming outfit, and i realize how stupid we were when we started
[05:21:21] <ayjay_t> and i watch other people making the exact same mistakes
[05:21:33] <ayjay_t> and theres nothing i can do to pull them away from making those mistakes
[05:21:46] * archivist giggles
[05:23:19] <ayjay_t> it was better for us tho because we were self funded, so when we made mistakes we felt it and had to come to terms with reality... some guys who have VC funding or whatever just burn through a ton of cash and time before the realize ......... oh well
[05:25:07] <archivist> I have had a "few" years rest from mcu work, just playing with the latest "in thing"
[05:25:16] <DaViruz> now i'm curious, can you elaborate on the mistakes?
[05:25:26] <ayjay_t> trying to force hires that aren't going to work
[05:25:42] <ayjay_t> labor is hands down your biggest cost
[05:25:48] <ayjay_t> and engineers are a pain to find
[05:25:50] <jthornton> morning
[05:26:00] <DaViruz> ah.
[05:26:15] <ayjay_t> reinventing the wheel
[05:26:20] <archivist> the certificates from Unis mean not a lot
[05:27:03] <DaViruz> indeed not
[05:27:10] <archivist> cant really be taught intelligence
[05:27:26] <ayjay_t> reinventing the wheel is #2 but i feel like its a necessary evil. i'm find with letting someone go through that phase.... but they need to understand that its not worth it somehow and at some point
[05:28:04] <ayjay_t> yeah i mean, university adminstrations are very confused about their role in the STEM fields, i find
[05:28:31] <archivist> give them a pass and they can get a job
[05:28:53] <ayjay_t> but at least in america, where basically anyone can get funding but the university assumes literally 0 risk for that funding
[05:29:05] <ayjay_t> its free money to them
[05:29:45] <ayjay_t> and admins don't understand that as badly as they want to enroll N students for N*Cost revenue, engineering isn't entirely teachable
[05:30:32] <archivist> I understand reinventing wheels, it does really teach oneself
[05:30:44] <ayjay_t> i've had a guy who couldn't get over it
[05:31:11] <ayjay_t> ocd at every state
[05:31:13] <ayjay_t> stage*
[05:31:17] <ayjay_t> damn shame
[06:46:18] <fl0rene> Hello guys,
[06:46:19] <fl0rene> I have some problems to connect an mdi-command, which is already connected to an pyvcp-button, to a button of my joypad too!!
[06:46:21] <fl0rene> This is what I did so far to connect the mdi-command to the pyvcp-button:
[06:46:22] <fl0rene> # in *.ini file in HALUI section
[06:46:24] <fl0rene> MDI_COMMAND = G10 L20 P1 X0 Y0 M102
[06:46:25] <fl0rene> # in custom_postgui.hal
[06:46:27] <fl0rene> net stock-xy0 halui.mdi-command-07 <= pyvcp.stock-xy0
[06:46:29] <fl0rene> # in custom_panel.xml
[06:46:30] <fl0rene> <button>
[06:46:32] <fl0rene> <halpin>"stock-xy0"</halpin>
[06:46:33] <fl0rene> <text>"XY = 0"</text>
[06:46:35] <fl0rene> <font>('Fixed',10)</font>
[06:46:36] <fl0rene> </button>
[06:46:38] <fl0rene> All works great when i press the pyvcp-button!
[06:46:39] <fl0rene> But now I want to connect a button of my joypad (input.0.btn-base5) to halui.mdi-command-07 too!!!
[06:46:41] <fl0rene> Whatever I've tried, I got en error that this mdi-command is already connected to an input!!!
[06:46:42] <fl0rene> So I think I missed something or isn't it possible to connect one mdi-command to two different inputs (buttons)???
[06:46:44] <fl0rene> I hope someone can help me out of my troubles...
[06:46:45] <fl0rene> Thanks to all and best regards from Austria
[06:46:47] <fl0rene> Rene
[06:47:06] <XXCoder> wow
[06:47:11] <XXCoder> pastebin next time heh
[06:47:22] <fl0rene> sorry
[06:47:38] <XXCoder> np, sorry cant answer that one
[06:47:39] <jthornton> you need to use or2
[06:47:49] <XXCoder> *no problem
[06:50:32] <jthornton> how did the tape work on the panel?
[06:52:43] <jthornton> 13F here this morning much warmer today
[06:53:06] <fl0rene> I already tried to do it with an or2 but I think I did something wrong !! Can you give me an example how to solve it??
[06:53:57] <fl0rene> What exactly do you mean jthornton?
[06:54:45] <XXCoder> jthornton: nice. here its quite a bit warmed at 32f. sleet though. lovely weather to walk 45 minutes in lol
[06:55:00] <XXCoder> not much of a choice, in least I didn't have to return
[06:55:08] <jthornton> pastebin what you tried
[06:55:23] <XXCoder> or dpaste
[06:55:38] <jthornton> paste.ubuntu.com
[06:55:42] <jthornton> no ads or crap
[06:56:10] <XXCoder> same for dpaste
[06:56:26] <jthornton> dpaste.?
[06:56:36] <XXCoder> dpaste.com
[06:57:55] <jthornton> http://paste.ubuntu.com/ is cleaner :)
[06:58:08] <XXCoder> url not as clean ;)
[06:58:34] <jthornton> that's the trade off lol
[07:00:59] <fl0rene> Sorry but I'm not at home, so I can't take a look to my custom-postgui.hal!!
[07:01:45] <jthornton> the buttons both go to the or2 inputs and the output of or2 goes to the mdi command
[07:03:09] <fl0rene> I'm a newbee in doing somthing like that in linuxcnc and I think I did something wrong in using the or2! But I dont know what.
[07:03:52] <jthornton> nor do I without knowing exactly what you did
[07:09:16] <archivist> forgetting to put it in a thread is common
[07:09:33] <jthornton> but that does not throw an error
[07:10:44] <archivist> an already connected error can be found in the editor with a search
[07:13:36] <archivist> hmm lapsed http://www.google.com/patents/US5657549 info to be used in probing
[07:14:03] * archivist puts claim 11 in an arduiononono
[07:23:24] <fl0rene> Sorry guys but I dont know how to use the UBUNTU pastbin?
[07:23:51] <archivist> same as any other
[07:24:02] <XXCoder> paste text in larger area, click paste! and copy url it gives you
[07:26:28] <jthornton> fl0rene: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23763963/
[07:32:12] <fl0rene> Thanks a lot for this example! I think I used the or2 in the wrong direction, I tried to do it like so: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23763958/
[07:32:49] <jthornton> yea that is wrong usage of or2
[07:33:13] <jthornton> you can't just guess at it usually
[07:34:27] <fl0rene> But now I think I know how to solve it!!! I'm really interessted in learning that but for a newbee it is really hard to understand all of that stuff at once!!
[07:34:35] <fl0rene> Thanks a lot!!!
[07:35:10] <jthornton> yea, no one can understand it all at once it's like eating an elephant one bite at a time
[07:42:01] * jthornton thinks a two input to one output should be in the hal examples
[07:43:20] <Tom_L> jthornton
[07:43:29] <jthornton> Tom_L:
[07:43:34] <Tom_L> was playing with the time format a bit last night
[07:43:47] <Tom_L> notice one odd thing for sure in the logs
[07:43:48] <jthornton> I've fixed it so you have a choice
[07:44:02] <Tom_L> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:82/~tom-itx/irc/logs/%23linuxcnc/2017-01-08.html
[07:44:14] <Tom_L> look at 6:1 7:31
[07:44:56] <jthornton> is that after you changed the time stamp?
[07:45:08] <Tom_L> yeah
[07:45:11] <Tom_L> probably
[07:45:38] <Tom_L> i think the mention of 'xml' triggered it
[07:45:44] <jthornton> 06:17:32 <span class="person">fl0rene:</span> <button>
[07:46:08] <jthornton> let me test it here
[07:48:16] <fl0rene> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23764055/
[07:49:28] <fl0rene> Hope I got it the right way?
[07:50:09] <fl0rene> second mdi-command should be 08
[07:52:50] <fl0rene> should look like so: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23764076/
[08:05:50] <jthornton> looks right to me
[08:07:02] <jthornton> dang he left
[08:08:00] <XXCoder> oh well heh
[08:08:07] <XXCoder> anyway
[08:08:19] <XXCoder> I acciently locked keys in car thunk :P
[08:08:31] <XXCoder> Had to walk for 45 min to get to home to get spare
[08:08:39] <XXCoder> wonderful exercise in sleet lol
[08:08:47] <jthornton> ouch
[08:09:08] <XXCoder> thankfully my sis in law wasnt asleep yet so she could drive me back. otherwise I'd walk back
[08:09:12] <jthornton> my MIL taught me to keep a key in my pocket for the house
[08:10:28] <XXCoder> normally I have spare in wallet but I havent gotten a non-electric clicky key
[08:10:40] <XXCoder> enough for me to be able to open door
[10:47:31] <Gene_work> can someone give me a high overview of the differences between a mesa 5i23 and a 5i25?
[10:49:43] <jdh> different daughterboards & io counts
[10:49:59] <Gene_work> function is somewhat the same
[10:52:41] <Gene_work> doesnt look like the 5i23 is on mesanet anymore...
[10:56:35] <Gene_work> 5i23 has 72 i/o at 400k $260 , 5i25 has 34 i/o at unknown speed $89
[11:03:27] <Gene_work> given I have a 5i23 and 7i44, can I do step/direction?
[11:03:35] <pcw_home> 5I23 is still avialbel (and listed on the store)
[11:03:57] <pcw_home> 5I24 is cheaper and more capable however
[11:04:49] <pcw_home> any of the PCI/PCIE/EPP/Ethernet cards can do step/dir
[11:05:18] <Gene_work> so I am golden card wise?
[11:06:28] <Roguish> Gene_work: I have a 6i24 (pcie version of the 5i24) running dc servos and really like it. very good VALUE.
[11:06:38] <pcw_home> for LinuxCNC they are all the same except for host interface and number of I/O
[11:07:26] <Gene_work> pcw..... many thanks! I purchased your cards in 2011..... and now am trying to complete a different project
[11:07:55] <Gene_work> Roguish, steppers have already been purchased. thanks for the wisdome
[11:08:03] <pcw_home> (and FPGA capacity which normally is not important unless you have _many_ axis)
[11:08:06] <Roguish> no problem. go for it.
[11:08:23] <Gene_work> if anyone is interested, I have an untouched in bag 8i20
[11:09:49] <Gene_work> my project is not three phase...
[11:13:57] <Gene_work> is it realistic to have one computer, mesa cards, linuxcnc supporting two different cnc machines by simply disconnecting/reconnecting drivers and I/O and using a different setup?
[11:15:00] <Tom_L> don't see why not unless you forget to change the configs :)
[11:15:14] <Roguish> Gene_work: yes, but it's a PITA, and can get confusing if one is not extremely anal...
[11:16:14] <Roguish> you could also have one computer with 2 mesa cards. 1 card for each cnc
[11:16:17] <Gene_work> understood... using same keyed connectors for the bulk might be in order if their is a second effort
[11:16:38] <Gene_work> you must work for pcw :)
[11:17:00] <Roguish> no, but he's pretty cool.
[11:18:02] <Gene_work> well.... i have $560 work of mesa cards that are untouched for several years.... and feel sheepish about, it appears overkill for the efforts going forward
[11:19:00] <Gene_work> just purchased J1900N-D3V
[11:19:45] <Gene_work> will this setup work for for several years with 4 gigs ram, or should I invest in the 8gigs?
[11:20:23] <jdh> Gene: I have about the same. 5i22, 7i37, some TA board, something else
[11:20:34] <jdh> still in the box
[11:20:48] <pcw_home> 4G should be more then fine for any normal linuxCNC use
[11:21:36] <Gene_work> pcw, the 5i23 pci card compatible with the J1900N-D3V pci slot?
[11:21:52] <pcw_home> sure
[11:23:56] <Gene_work> many thanks pcw, now and several years ago....
[11:26:18] <Gene_work> how big of a powersupply you running with the J1900N-D3V
[11:30:37] <Wolf_> no idea what I’m doing but I’m running http://a.co/g2dvCw0 on my mini-itx
[11:31:33] <tiwake> only 80 watts?
[11:32:18] <Gene_work> wow... similar to 8 years ago.... the bare minimum. that motherboard J1900N-D3V appeared to have a CPU power connector and your 80watt does not appear to support that.
[11:32:38] <Wolf_> only feeding it with a 12v2A wall plug
[11:37:29] <Gene_work> thanks wolf, I think I can find something around here. The gold standard years ago was an intel 510 motherboard and it would work with a power source similar to your link.... it was a single core :(
[11:38:28] <Wolf_> I’m using a Asrock Q1900-ITX with a SSD
[11:41:00] <Gene_work> how many axis, and how many i/o have you used up?
[11:42:00] <Wolf_> haven’t set it up yet, but its going to be running 3-4 axis + spindle or a plasma table, haven’t made up my mind yet, using a mesa 7i92 + 7i77
[11:42:23] <Wolf_> there are a few others in here running j1900 for control as well
[11:42:56] <Gene_work> I would be interested in your concept plans.... however I have to go to work :(
[11:43:05] <Wolf_> pcw probably knows more about this stuff then I do
[11:43:28] <IchGucksLive> hi from a cold fog overloaded germany
[11:43:53] <Gene_work> feel free to share, my browser will open the up. enjoy! yes he does... since he sells the stuff, but his time is limited and am sure he gets tired of rookie questions
[11:44:21] <Gene_work> hello cold fog
[11:44:43] <Gene_work> afk
[11:45:30] <IchGucksLive> Gene_work: tired of rookie questions No One Never gets
[11:48:00] <IchGucksLive> Q: does someone know if there are cabel bridges ready made for briginf Leadshine 5V terminals
[11:48:25] <IchGucksLive> or is there a connect board to xhc-3s
[11:48:46] <IchGucksLive> sorry js-xh-3s
[11:53:56] <IchGucksLive> need to do 10 of this cabinets this week http://foengarage.de/4achs_elek.jpg
[12:04:26] <IchGucksLive> till tomorrow Gn8
[12:18:47] <archivist> Wolf_, I found this http://www.freepatentsonline.com/5272817.pdf
[12:20:40] <Wolf_> well thats kinda cool
[12:21:32] <archivist> at last real info and more than 20 years :)
[12:22:50] <archivist> and not enough pins error on a typical aaaaarguino when testing a project
[12:27:26] <archivist> I want to have an LCD and a force measuring part as well as the probe resistance trigger all in one unit
[12:27:40] <archivist> and beep out
[12:28:40] <Wolf_> i2c stuff
[12:30:38] <archivist> that would free up lines but I would have to get other LCD etc
[12:31:31] <archivist> and a keyboard to enter calibration values
[12:32:41] <Wolf_> well the lcd would just be a i2c breakout
[12:33:56] <Wolf_> I have a vfd display with a SPI/I2c backpack board on it
[12:34:35] <archivist> I have a box of 40x1 line LCDs
[12:34:57] <archivist> 6 wires used in 4 bit mode
[12:36:21] <Wolf_> 16x2… been a while since I have messed with this stuff
[12:38:23] <archivist> I got a box of 50 at an auction in the 1990's sold a few, still have "sufficient"
[12:42:01] <Wolf_> last arduino stuff I was messing with and needed a display I started using nokia lcd on
[12:46:57] <archivist> will update http://www.archivist.info/cnc/Arduino_Probe_Interface/ as and when
[12:48:33] <Wolf_> cool
[13:52:57] <archivist> Wolf_, it works, I am pressing the load cell against the probe, can see the resistance change at about 5 grams force
[13:53:19] <Wolf_> nice
[13:55:07] <archivist> now the hard part, thinking exactly how it should operate
[14:04:54] <archivist> now it is easy to detect the spring setting on the probe, I have 2 TP2 probes the other needs about 12-15 grams
[14:05:29] * JT-Shop got the third wood heater up and burning... clean up in aisles 1, 2 and 3
[14:16:21] <pcw_home> Its raining so hard here that there was a deer hiding in the sheep shelter with the sheep
[14:16:23] <pcw_home> I almost got bowled over when I surprised it checking the shelter roof
[14:16:24] <JT-Shop> http://gnipsel.com/images/wood-heat/chinlee-logwood-small.jpg
[14:16:41] <JT-Shop> dang
[14:21:13] <archivist> Wolf_, pics or it didnt happen http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=arduino+probe
[14:22:00] <Wolf_> =)
[14:24:06] <Wolf_> now, is that going to be too sensitive ?
[14:27:16] <archivist> the middle reading is a moving average, I think that needs doing to the resistance and looking for the trend, then trigger
[14:29:31] <archivist> there is some variation in the contact resistance like that patent indicates, that needs storing as a comparison value when the cycle is about to start also
[14:29:56] <Wolf_> I’m partly lost, some of this is over my skill level, I do have a grasp of the idea, i think lol
[14:30:51] <archivist> its the sample and hold in the patent, take the current value
[15:05:58] <Wolf_> lol, that figures, pull a cap out to test the kelvin clips I just soldered up for my LCR meter and I manage to pull a bad one out of a pack of new ones...
[15:34:01] <Jymmm> The back covered porch is raised off the ground by about 4ft. When I run my generator (EU2000i apx 50lbs) on it, EVERYTHING vibrates and is loud as hell. When on solid ground it's quiet as can be. I do have some rubber dampeners (apx 1" wide and 1/2" tall), doyou tink that would be "good enough" if I sandwiched them between two sheet of plywood?
[15:35:12] <Tom_L> no
[15:36:32] <roycroft> hang it from the rafters with some big bungee cords
[15:36:35] <roycroft> boingy boingy boingy
[15:36:43] <Tom_L> funny i was thinking that
[15:36:53] <roycroft> it would probably work fine
[15:37:00] <Tom_L> missle silos hung everything from springs
[15:38:46] <roycroft> plywood is usually a vibration amplifier
[15:39:06] <roycroft> i think sandwiching rubber pads between sheets of plywood would have a cancelling out effect
[15:39:22] <roycroft> you would amplify then dampen then amplify
[15:44:12] <Jymmm> roycroft: Thanks. Lowes does/did have a recycled rubber mat thought I thought would be perfect for sound dampening, not sure if this is what I saw in the store or not... https://www.lowes.com/pd/Mohawk-Home-Black-Rectangular-Door-Mat-Common-24-in-x-36-in-Actual-24-in-x-36-in/1000043715
[15:44:29] <Jymmm> that I thought*
[15:44:51] <Jymmm> cut that sucker in half and sandwich
[15:45:29] <Jymmm> The one I saw looked liek shredded tires mooshed together
[15:45:43] <Jymmm> mooshed... it's a word
[15:46:56] <roycroft> if you have a farm supply store near you, go there and get a stall matt
[15:47:00] <roycroft> they're made for horset stalls
[15:47:11] <roycroft> about 15mm thick
[15:47:17] <roycroft> dense rubber
[15:47:23] <roycroft> i love them for anti-fatigue mats
[15:47:32] <roycroft> and they also are good vibration dampeners
[15:48:24] <roycroft> they usually come in 4'x6' pieces, but sometimes you can get 2'x3' mats
[15:49:28] <Jymmm> 1/2" http://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/product/utility-rubber-mat-black-4-ft-x-3-ft?cm_vc=-10005
[15:49:40] <roycroft> http://www.greatmats.com/horse-stall-mats/stall-mats-4x6x.75-black-humane.php
[15:50:04] <Jymmm> 3/4" $43 http://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/product/rubber-mat-black-4-ft-x-6-ft?cm_vc=-10005
[15:50:12] <Jymmm> 1/2" $20 http://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/product/utility-rubber-mat-black-4-ft-x-3-ft?cm_vc=-10005
[15:50:17] <roycroft> and yeah, the ones you're looking at are the thing
[15:50:29] <roycroft> i have a bunch of those
[15:50:51] <Jymmm> My gen is small too,
[15:51:37] <roycroft> if you get a 4x6 one, you can cut a chunk out for the generator and still have a nice big anti-fatigue mat
[15:52:11] <roycroft> my shop floors are concrete
[15:52:23] <roycroft> so anti-fatigue mats are important to me
[15:54:19] <roycroft> i've spilled acetone, lacquer thinner, denatured alcohol, mineral spirits, and various other solvents and oils on the ones at my main workbench, and none have damaged the rubber
[15:54:39] <roycroft> i even had a bunch of brake fluid spill on one once when a hose burst, and it did no damage
[15:57:01] <TekMason> Any recommendations for an inexpensive (but not cheap) spindle to use on a Root 2 CNC that will be able to mill aluminium?
[16:10:44] * JT-Shop takes a break from fabrication and packs up some Mesa cards for tomorrow
[16:38:10] <Deejay> gn8
[16:51:48] <sector_0> hey
[16:52:06] <sector_0> how much axial load can a v groove bearing take?
[16:53:22] <sector_0> I seen a lot of people use v groove bearings one either side of a rail
[16:53:26] <sector_0> like this --> http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2141/5697447200_511ff4a2fb.jpg
[16:54:45] <sector_0> but in a case where this was turned on it's side such that the bearings were horizontal, won't that mean that the bearings are supporting axial load?
[16:55:08] <sector_0> would that have any effect on the bearing's life?
[16:56:13] <sector_0> here a good example of what I'm talking about --> http://www.fut-electronics.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/rail-3d.jpg
[17:00:37] <sync_> look in your bearing suppliers catalog
[17:00:43] <sync_> it will tell you exactly all about that
[17:03:54] <sector_0> sync_, don't actually have a catalog for my generic 623vv but I was more asking if this is advised?
[17:05:05] <sync_> well, deep groove bearings are able to take axial load
[17:06:43] <Jymmm> Lovely... power outage for an extended period
[17:06:59] <Jymmm> Hope I have enough gas
[17:07:34] <JT-Shop> why the outage?
[17:07:54] <Jymmm> heavy storm, more than likely downed lines/poles
[17:08:03] <Jymmm> rain storm
[17:08:06] <JT-Shop> ah
[17:08:21] <JT-Shop> pcw_home: was saying it's raining heavy by him too
[17:09:50] <Jymmm> oh and flood warnings
[17:10:06] <JT-Shop> lovely
[17:10:22] <JT-Shop> we got our share of flooding last summer
[17:10:58] <Jymmm> Damn, almost all of NorCal http://radar.weather.gov/radar.php?rid=bbx&product=N0R&overlay=11101111&loop=no
[17:21:25] <Jymmm> WOW http://radar.weather.gov/Conus/RadarImg/latest.gif
[17:32:52] <roycroft> does anyone here have a tomach tooling system or is familiar with it?
[17:33:20] <roycroft> their website is proving problematic for me
[17:33:54] <roycroft> but from what i can see, it appears they use a slightly recessed collet to hold their tooling holders, which allows the tooling holders to index against the spindle
[17:33:56] <roycroft> is this correct?
[17:34:28] <sync_> yes
[17:34:32] <roycroft> cool, thanks
[17:35:09] <roycroft> are there any comparable systems for r8 spindles?
[17:36:18] <roycroft> also, i don't see a drill chuck for the tormach system - does one generally use er collets for drills, etc. with that system?
[17:36:33] <sync_> you can just make a ring that you clamp around your tools
[17:36:46] <sync_> I don't really get why tormach did it that way but eh
[18:05:55] <Tom_L> Jymmm you runnin on backup power?
[18:07:09] <JT-Prusa> I think he is
[18:11:29] <JT-Prusa> Tom_L: did you get the latest version of the logger?
[18:16:06] <Flipp_> any idea why HSMAdvisor and GWizard might be giving wildly different S&F for same cut data + tool?
[18:16:48] <Jymmm> Tom_L: Yeah, generator is running for interwebs and computers =)
[18:17:26] <Flipp_> AFAICT, same tool diameter/flutes/material, WOC, DOC. have to slow HSMAdvisor to ~70% on S&F to even come close to gwizard's suggestions
[18:18:00] <Jymmm> Tom_L: propane heater running in the kitchen, and 10ga ext cords running thru the house =)
[18:18:25] * JT-Prusa doesn't trust a wizzard
[18:18:51] <Flipp_> agreed... just trying to get in the ballpark for appropriate S&F, then will tune from there :)
[18:22:19] <JT-Shop> http://www.custompartnet.com/calculator/milling-speed-and-feed
[18:22:48] <JT-Shop> say goodnight Gracie
[18:30:48] <JT-Shop> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhat-xUQ6dw
[18:58:09] <Jymmm> back on the grid again...
[18:58:18] <MacGalempsy> yay
[18:59:01] <Jymmm> one of the neighbor's tree took out a fence though
[18:59:24] <Jymmm> not MY fence
[19:00:09] <BeachBumPete> http://i.imgur.com/cfsnMpx.jpg :)
[19:07:38] <MacGalempsy> nice
[19:17:32] <Loetmichel> BeachBumPete: i would like to have a motor on that thing... cant imagine it to be fun to paddle back... especially when the tide suddenly starts rolling out
[19:19:17] <MacGalempsy> Loetmichel: in a lot of states there is no licensing of boats without a motor, then when there is motor they tax by the foot
[19:20:01] <Loetmichel> hmmm
[19:20:05] <Loetmichel> no idea on tax
[19:20:25] <MacGalempsy> so if you put a motor on a 21' kayak, it costs more than a 16' ski boat.
[19:20:33] <MacGalempsy> kind of screwed up logic there, huh?
[19:20:51] <Loetmichel> in germany its the rule that you have to be a vertified "kapitän" to steer a ship/boat. if it has more than 5hp
[19:21:24] <Loetmichel> thats why here are houseboars aviable that have in excess of 500 ton displacement but a 5hp outboard :-)
[19:21:49] <Loetmichel> equally screwed if you ask me ;)
[19:21:56] <Loetmichel> houseboats
[19:23:14] <Loetmichel> and does that "motor" rule also apply to small electric temporary motors?
[19:23:23] <Loetmichel> or just for permanently mounted things?
[19:23:43] <BeachBumPete> Loetmichel honestly it paddles really easy
[19:24:08] <BeachBumPete> but people do indeed put motors on them
[19:24:52] <Loetmichel> <- once tried to swim a mere 1.5 miles across a fjord... and then the ebb tide came
[19:24:56] <Loetmichel> nearly lost it
[19:25:16] <Loetmichel> i suppose paddling in a kajah is somewhat easier tho
[19:25:32] <BeachBumPete> the kayaks draw so little water most of the time the current does not affect you that much unless it is REALLY rippin'
[19:25:38] <MacGalempsy> does that have the peddal paddles?
[19:26:01] <BeachBumPete> no it is a paddle yak. Pedal yaks are nice too tho.
[19:26:10] <BeachBumPete> mine is a Vibe Sea Ghost 13
[19:26:23] <BeachBumPete> my wife has the exact same yak
[19:26:29] <BeachBumPete> they are the orange camo
[19:27:03] <Loetmichel> <- is a lot more confident when he has a few tons of steel or glass fibre and a big diesel beneath his feet
[19:27:34] <BeachBumPete> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URTdrXWs8ao
[19:27:40] <Loetmichel> ... did my military service on a 70m/700brt sub hunter boat...
[19:27:58] <Loetmichel> maybe thats why i like overly powered ships ;)
[19:28:06] <BeachBumPete> I did mine on a 210 foot Coast Guard Cutter Steadfast
[19:28:20] <BeachBumPete> 2.5 years
[19:29:03] <Loetmichel> <- 12 months
[19:29:09] <BeachBumPete> https://www.uscg.mil/pacarea/cgcsteadfast/img/ste_01.jpg
[19:29:12] <Loetmichel> wanted to do 4 or 8 years
[19:30:02] <Loetmichel> but i managed to scream down the drill sarge at day three, so they ripped up my application for the 4 years ;)
[19:30:22] <Jymmm> haha
[19:30:46] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: You sweet talker you
[19:31:07] <Loetmichel> ?
[19:33:07] * MacGalempsy hints sarcasm
[19:35:29] <Loetmichel> ah
[19:35:59] <MacGalempsy> im excited to see how much easier the motors on my mill are to tune once the smoothing caps get installed
[19:36:17] <Loetmichel> the sarge shouldnt have (verbally) attacked a 3 day old private when he wasnt ready to get a retort in +10 dbA
[19:36:42] <Loetmichel> dB(a) ;-)
[19:36:59] <Loetmichel> but thats just my opinion of course ;)
[19:41:09] <MacGalempsy> hey pink_vampire
[19:41:43] <pink_vampire> hi MacGalempsy
[19:49:16] <MacGalempsy> pink_vampire: making chips?
[19:49:33] <pink_vampire> no
[20:02:27] <MacGalempsy> wow. we went roller skating today with my neice and her friend. I fell one time at the beginning .... now ouch
[20:03:06] <BeachBumPete> I have busted my ass so bad on skates before...it hurtz like a week man.
[20:03:45] <MacGalempsy> i use to rollerblade all over the place and the brake was on the left foot. today I went to stop with the left and the brake was on the right!
[20:03:59] <MacGalempsy> both feet off the ground and landed on me bum
[20:04:06] <BeachBumPete> yeah man me too. I like blades.
[20:04:57] <MacGalempsy> I never really used blades in the rink, it was always across town style
[20:05:02] <BeachBumPete> My old girlfriend and I would skate all over VA beach when I was in the Coast Guard. Lots of fun. my kids love to go to the rink now and skate we often take them for birthdays etc.
[20:05:04] <MacGalempsy> free walking
[20:07:46] <sync_> MacGalempsy: just turn your foot like with ice skates
[20:09:04] <MacGalempsy> yeah. its only been about 22 years since my last time on blades.
[20:09:36] <MacGalempsy> in california you had skaters, bladers and bmxers
[20:11:19] <MacGalempsy> so that was fun, but going around the rink 50 times got boring
[20:16:50] <zeeshan> anyone here do their own drywall?
[20:17:51] <MacGalempsy> i did
[20:18:15] <MacGalempsy> you doing taping or texture?
[20:18:26] <zeeshan> im not even at that stage yet!
[20:18:53] <MacGalempsy> are you down to the studs yet?
[20:20:17] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/PUyvetl.jpg
[20:20:25] <zeeshan> my living room is a bit silly
[20:20:30] <zeeshan> cause it has multiple openins to it
[20:20:52] <zeeshan> im trying close in the opening where you see the studs exposed
[20:21:07] <zeeshan> the other side im making a halfway partition with granite top
[20:21:09] <zeeshan> with bar stools
[20:21:21] <zeeshan> so living room can talk to kitchen side
[20:21:29] <MacGalempsy> sounds like a fun time
[20:21:43] <zeeshan> i dont know wha tim doing tho
[20:21:54] <zeeshan> for some reason there is 5.25" wide wood in the wall :p
[20:22:32] <BeachBumPete> nice dobbie
[20:22:43] <MacGalempsy> luckily the hole is small
[20:23:01] <zeeshan> https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/87/0b/ac/870bacbb9ff7859da9a2d74fac2b6654.jpg
[20:23:05] <zeeshan> im imagining something like this
[20:23:12] <zeeshan> wwith 3 chairs
[20:23:14] <zeeshan> not 4
[20:23:32] <MacGalempsy> that shouldnt be too bad, you may not even have to do anything to the carpet
[20:23:50] <zeeshan> replacing with hardwood
[20:23:57] <MacGalempsy> y?
[20:24:04] <zeeshan> carpet is too much maintenance
[20:24:06] <zeeshan> w/ 2 cats
[20:24:12] <zeeshan> bastards leave their hair everywhere
[20:24:14] <zeeshan> :)
[20:24:32] <MacGalempsy> I hear that, carpet $0.88 per foot, hardwood $6+
[20:24:47] <zeeshan> luckily small area :D
[20:24:58] <zeeshan> i think its 40 ft by 25 ft
[20:25:19] <MacGalempsy> so like $880 vs $6000
[20:25:46] <zeeshan> my friend got some for 2-3b ux a foot
[20:25:49] <zeeshan> sq ft
[20:26:02] <MacGalempsy> how long do you plan on living in that house?
[20:26:09] <zeeshan> not sure
[20:26:11] <zeeshan> maybe 5 years?
[20:26:21] <MacGalempsy> these are questions I should have asked myself before dropping $50k on a remodel
[20:26:26] <zeeshan> !
[20:26:34] <zeeshan> you'll increase the value of the house though
[20:26:40] <zeeshan> so its not too bad to invest
[20:26:47] <MacGalempsy> maybe, maybe not
[20:27:03] <MacGalempsy> you should run some economics. like what is the most expensive $/sqft in the neighborhood
[20:27:15] <MacGalempsy> and if you do that one room, can you get it back?
[20:27:28] <MacGalempsy> if you were living there for the rest of your life, that would be a different story
[20:28:39] <zeeshan> https://www.homedepot.ca/en/home/p.smoked-hickory-4-78-inch-w-click-engineered-hardwood-flooring-2583-sq-ft--case.1000831259.html
[20:28:41] <zeeshan> i dont get this pricing
[20:28:46] <MacGalempsy> now if you are looking to rent it after you leave, that is also a different ballgame.
[20:28:59] <MacGalempsy> that is laminate
[20:29:03] <zeeshan> one case comes with 25.83$
[20:29:08] <zeeshan> er
[20:29:11] <zeeshan> 25.83 sq ft
[20:29:13] <MacGalempsy> and it comes in prepackaged box
[20:29:14] <zeeshan> and csots 84 bux?
[20:29:20] <MacGalempsy> yea
[20:29:29] <MacGalempsy> probably a metric conversion
[20:29:50] <zeeshan> i thought engineered hardwood wasn't laminate
[20:29:54] <MacGalempsy> 2.4m^2
[20:29:57] <zeeshan> i thought laminate was that crap you can't refinish
[20:30:02] <zeeshan> its like a vinyl top
[20:30:23] <MacGalempsy> you'll have to go look at it
[20:30:40] <MacGalempsy> unfortunately they only show the good side
[20:31:29] <MacGalempsy> maybe the engineered part is the tounge and groove
[20:32:32] <MacGalempsy> just for shits and giggles, you should get an estimate from a flooring guy. after the bid comes in, ask if that is the "cash price"
[20:36:12] <zeeshan> that's true
[20:36:13] <zeeshan> i will do that
[20:36:19] <zeeshan> they might get better deals
[20:36:26] <zeeshan> i'd like to learn this skill tho
[20:36:31] <zeeshan> i think shelter building is important!
[20:36:41] <MacGalempsy> chances are they finished product will look better
[20:43:27] <Wolf_> …I really hate linux
[20:45:18] <Jymmm> Somebody's in the wrong channel =)
[20:45:38] <Wolf_> heh
[20:46:07] <Wolf_> trying to add virtual box on my linuxcnc machine, total fail
[20:46:22] <Jymmm> why?
[20:46:30] <Wolf_> cause linux?
[20:46:31] <Jymmm> I mena why in your lcnc box?
[20:46:36] <Jymmm> on*
[20:47:17] <Wolf_> need to run some win xp software that needs serial port, mini-itx is handy for that
[20:48:02] <Jymmm> vbox on a mini itx board?! good luck with that
[20:48:46] <Jymmm> how much ram you have?
[20:48:51] <Wolf_> well, seeing that the stupid shit fails trying to load kernel module or something I can’t even see how bad it will run
[20:48:55] <Wolf_> 8gb
[20:49:34] <Jymmm> what cpu?
[20:49:40] <Wolf_> j1900
[20:51:42] * MacGalempsy keeps around an old laptop for working with XP
[20:52:15] <MacGalempsy> however, I broke the damn monitor on it, so now it requires and external monitor...
[20:52:33] <Wolf_> yeah, well go figure the one old laptop I have here, no serial port
[20:52:44] <MacGalempsy> damn...
[20:52:56] <MacGalempsy> trying to talk to a vfd?
[20:53:19] <Wolf_> security cam PTZ board
[20:53:54] <Wolf_> using a rs232>rs485 converter
[20:54:08] <MacGalempsy> sounds like old tech
[20:54:35] <Wolf_> says may 2005 on it
[20:54:37] <MacGalempsy> i finally got a box of stuff that had ethernet ports, but my first one had serial.
[20:54:43] <MacGalempsy> yeah thats old
[20:54:57] <MacGalempsy> Axis?
[20:55:04] <Wolf_> still 23x optical zoom with 12x digital
[20:55:30] <Wolf_> Vicom SDVFT-023
[20:55:36] <Jymmm> Wolf_: I dont know, yours is 1875 cpuMark
[20:56:12] <Jymmm> My Core i5 is 4893 cpuMark
[20:56:20] <Jymmm> OSX
[20:56:24] <Wolf_> cpu isn’t issue i’m having, the virtualbox software won’t even load
[20:56:53] <Jymmm> what ver ubuntu?
[20:57:05] <Wolf_> just like half the shit I tried to use on linux
[20:58:08] <Wolf_> Mint 17 I think
[20:58:42] <Wolf_> yeah 17.3 cinnamon 64-bit
[20:59:02] <_methods> is virt enabled in your bios for the cpu?
[21:00:26] <Wolf_> I think so… but its kicking error that linux kernel driver vboxdrv is not loaded
[21:01:48] <Jymmm> and it wont be if virtualization is disabled in the bios =)
[21:03:49] <Wolf_> hmm
[21:04:27] <MacGalempsy> i had to turn it on the workstation to get vbox working
[21:04:29] <Wolf_> guessing fail, was off… seeing that I turned everything I could find off in bios
[21:05:22] <Jymmm> It's like making a pizza... you have this great sauce you put down, then the cheese, fresh veggies, wonderful meats... but you THINK there is a crust/dough under all that! *WHACK*
[21:05:32] <Wolf_> same error
[21:06:11] <Jymmm> google the error
[21:08:06] <Jymmm> Heh, my netbook (which I just installed a SSD in and mucking with lubuntu is 270. your celeron 1875, my iMac 4893.
[21:09:46] <Wolf_> well, not like I’m going to be running solid works on it, need to run a xp program that was probably ported from win3.1 lol
[21:10:25] <Jymmm> wine?
[21:10:49] <Wolf_> hmm, never tried that…
[21:10:51] <Jymmm> I still say google the error
[21:11:16] <_methods> or try vmware player
[21:11:32] <Wolf_> yeah, I did, seems the version in the package manager is borked and wont work with newer version of linux…
[21:11:48] <_methods> hahah
[21:11:51] <Jymmm> fuck vmware
[21:11:52] <_methods> damn that's linux for ya
[21:12:14] <Wolf_> fix is to download direct and install lol
[21:45:30] <Wolf_> nice, got it loading finally
[21:46:26] <MacGalempsy> anyone got the lowdown on the cheapest place to get a rpi3?
[21:52:03] <Jymmm> MacGalempsy: better queston might be who has it available
[21:53:15] <jdh> same price everywhere
[21:53:26] <MacGalempsy> oh, I didnt know demand was so high. My nephew is learning to program Scratch, so I thought this may be a good way to get him out of xbox and into robots
[21:53:35] <jdh> they seem to be well stocked
[21:54:42] <MacGalempsy> i know nothing about them, but have seem some ppl run lcnc on them
[21:54:46] <d42> MacGalempsy: scratch for arduino is pretty interesting too
[21:54:58] <SpeedEvil> The pi 3 is pretty available
[21:55:01] <SpeedEvil> the zero isn't
[21:55:12] <SpeedEvil> At best you typically find one per order limits
[21:55:56] <MacGalempsy> oh. the goal was to get him working on it, so this summer we could build a bot when he comes to visit.
[21:57:06] <Wolf_> get some WS2812 led strip for him as well
[21:57:06] <jdh> lots on amazon
[21:57:09] <Wolf_> fun stuff
[21:57:10] <jdh> or mcm
[21:57:27] <MacGalempsy> there are a couple of electronics kits on fleabay that he could have fun with
[21:57:48] <Jymmm> I kinda like the idea of CHIP https://getchip.com/pages/chip
[21:58:35] <MacGalempsy> Jymmm: trying to avoid the video game aspect
[22:00:05] <Jymmm> MacGalempsy: THEy are promoting it's game , not me
[22:00:36] <Jymmm> MacGalempsy: it boots to linux
[22:01:02] <Jymmm> out of stock anyway
[22:01:04] <MacGalempsy> ah, ok. that sounds good. the goal is to get him into programming linuxcnc
[22:01:23] <MacGalempsy> maybe work towards a robotic arm, or something like that
[22:01:43] <Wolf_> rc mower :P
[22:01:48] <MacGalempsy> yeah
[22:01:49] <Jymmm> you buying him an arm?
[22:02:02] <MacGalempsy> if thats what it takes to get him to give up the xbox
[22:02:07] <Wolf_> I think he means hobby servo based arm
[22:02:19] <Wolf_> or… I might be wrong lol
[22:02:28] <MacGalempsy> or we could work on printing parts and making something custom
[22:03:04] <Jymmm> fuck that, I mean this... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoA-m5iHG9s
[22:03:22] <Jymmm> GUARNTEED no xbox
[22:03:39] <MacGalempsy> lol. something like that
[22:03:50] <MacGalempsy> just dont want his brains all over the floor
[22:04:02] <Jymmm> shit, he could mae money too selling rides to friends
[22:04:54] <MacGalempsy> a little effort now while he is young, could give him a little direction when it comes time to graduate highschool
[22:06:02] <Jymmm> MacGalempsy: BUT NOW http://www.ebay.com/itm/ASEA-IRB-6-Robotic-Welder-Arm-/262785216008
[22:06:21] <MacGalempsy> wow
[22:06:48] <MacGalempsy> more like http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-Set-6-DOF-Aluminium-Mechanical-Robotic-Arm-Clamp-Claw-Mount-Robot-Kit-Black/321973857176?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D40832%26meid%3D644e8d16dc2042ad82137b0500da4f52%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D262785216008
[22:07:17] <Jymmm> fuck those toys, get the real thing
[22:07:30] <MacGalempsy> for a 12 year old? come one,
[22:07:32] <MacGalempsy> come on
[22:07:34] <Jymmm> road trip to pick it up
[22:07:39] <MacGalempsy> he lives in CA
[22:07:45] <Jymmm> and you?
[22:07:48] <MacGalempsy> AR
[22:07:58] <Jymmm> there ya go... AR to SD
[22:08:18] <Jymmm> NEVER underestimate a kid
[22:08:38] <Jymmm> And 12yo.... probably smarter than fuck
[22:08:59] <MacGalempsy> maybe after he shows some interest
[22:09:10] <MacGalempsy> money is an issue atm
[22:09:28] <Jymmm> I get that, but can you ue an arm if it got up anfd working?
[22:09:32] <Jymmm> use*
[22:09:42] <Jymmm> welding, plasme, pick and place, ???
[22:10:04] <MacGalempsy> probably, but until I get a job again, it aint going to happen
[22:10:25] <MacGalempsy> that guy has the bot and the welder
[22:10:26] <Jymmm> ah
[22:11:09] <MacGalempsy> on that note, this position I have been vying for should post this week. they need the team together by 2/15
[22:11:20] <Jymmm> good luck
[22:11:31] <MacGalempsy> they bought an asset for 1.2billion, so they need a few people to work it
[22:11:54] <Jymmm> is that like a buttless hooker?
[22:12:26] <MacGalempsy> nah, a bunch of wells and 775 drilling locations
[22:14:51] <MacGalempsy> that robot arm still needs the boards, and they want as much for those as they do the arm
[22:17:41] <MacGalempsy> Jymmm: here you go http://www.ebay.com/itm/Used-Motorman-Robot-6axis-Arm-Set-/322383838695?hash=item4b0f92fde7:g:-E8AAOSw5cNYckKa
[22:18:20] <MacGalempsy> only dangerous part is going to michigan to ge tit
[23:56:45] <dioz> Wolf_:
[23:56:48] <dioz> http://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/s480x480/e35/14733313_396785680661701_2874096126259101696_n.jpg?ig_cache_key=MTM5MjEwNTEyNzYxNTUzMTQxMA%3D%3D.2
[23:56:53] <dioz> you ever seen that jpg?
[23:56:55] <dioz> shit makes me laugh