#linuxcnc | Logs for 2017-01-07

[00:58:07] <archivist> Wolf_, looks in good condition
[00:58:17] <Wolf_> very
[00:58:54] <Wolf_> I just ordered a 5 pack of arduino mini, so I’ll hook one up to it to act as a mi5 lol
[00:59:24] <archivist> strain gauge didnt come till a lot later, been experimenting with an arrrrrguino and a strain gauge this last few days
[01:00:49] <archivist> will we have to join AA (arguino anon)
[01:01:19] <Wolf_> http://a.co/2AtMmtt yeah lol
[01:01:55] <archivist> I am using a clone pro mini
[01:02:26] <Wolf_> yeah I have a couple pro micro here as well
[01:02:39] <Wolf_> but the lack of reset button was pissing me off
[01:02:54] <archivist> mine has a reset
[01:04:50] <archivist> this version http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CH340G-Leads-Arduino-Pro-Mini-800ma-Regulator-5v-16Mhz-3-3v-8Mhz-UK-SELLER-/252659850466
[01:05:53] <archivist> dunno why I get as much drift off the strain gauge chip as I do
[01:06:59] <Wolf_> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/12640 has no reset, and seeing I have been playing with fastled and WS2812b and loading sketches back to back messing with patterns and colors, it gets annoying fast lol
[01:08:02] <archivist> using http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HX711-Dual-channel-24-bit-A-D-Conversion-Weighing-Sensor-Module-Metal-Shied-UK-/121861075709
[01:08:04] <Wolf_> mine are a clone of the spark fun
[01:09:23] <g123> seen pcw_home
[01:09:33] <Wolf_> thats kinda neat… I wish I actually knew how to code lol
[01:10:13] <g123> seen! pcw_home
[01:10:19] <g123> !seen pcw_home
[01:10:20] <the_wench> last seen in 2017-01-05 15:16:46GMT 39:21:35 ago, saying Ping timeout: 252 seconds
[01:10:27] <archivist> g123, you need to be on in calif time zone
[01:11:35] <g123> ya... thats kinda hard with my job and access to an IRC client
[01:13:18] <Wolf_> so what are you doing with that strain gauge
[01:14:19] <archivist> I was dreaming of a strain type on probe
[01:14:27] <archivist> on/of
[01:14:59] <Wolf_> I should have known :D
[01:15:39] <archivist> but also playing with some weighing scale load cels
[01:16:18] <archivist> have the guts of some kitchen scales modded
[01:16:46] <Wolf_> I should look in to that as well, saw one company had load cells that mounted between the axle and springs on commercial trucks to tell you what the load was on the truck
[01:17:12] <Wolf_> or something of the likes anyways
[01:17:46] <archivist> I have a 100kg cell I tried yesterday, and somewhere is a 1 ton to try
[01:18:58] <archivist> need to be brave, and know how it works http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/391670353407?ul_noapp=true
[01:19:15] <Wolf_> found https://forum.linuxcnc.org/22-pyvcp/28572-monster-a-learning-experience-pyvcp-machine?start=10#61852 guess I’ll use this as a starting point for my probe setup
[01:20:10] <Wolf_> heh, autocollimator eh
[01:20:28] * Wolf_ doesn’t know what that does
[01:21:15] <archivist> can test for straightness
[01:21:45] <archivist> but have no clue how to deal with an electronic one like that
[01:22:06] <Wolf_> ooo right, like for testing surface plates
[01:22:46] <archivist> by the way, for contact conditioning, see comparator and filter,
[01:23:29] <Wolf_> is that in linuxcnc or avr stuff
[01:24:33] <archivist> a bit of hardware, like renishaw did in the early days
[01:25:09] <Wolf_> the mi5 interface box
[01:25:16] <archivist> PI6-2 is/was such a thing
[01:26:06] <archivist> uses a simple LM311 comparator
[01:26:41] <archivist> there is also a 7407 TTL chip in it
[01:27:41] <Wolf_> google isn’t finding much on the PI6-2, least in english anyways
[01:28:11] <archivist> I wish I could find the circuit, I think I will have to reverse engineer
[01:28:14] <Wolf_> I see it mentioned for use with a TP20
[01:29:19] <archivist> I it was on my CMM with a TP2, just a plain contact probe like the others
[01:31:26] <archivist> slowly collecting docs http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/mirror/renishaw/
[01:34:27] <Wolf_> The functionality of the PI6 is available in the PI200 and PI4 interfaces ahh ok
[01:36:54] <Wolf_> happen to know what the diff is between the Mi 6 and Mi 6-2
[01:39:17] <archivist> dunno, could be a minor update/version change
[01:40:46] <Wolf_> I can’t find any info on the pi6...
[01:44:19] <archivist> I did find a switch/interface list see H-1000-4068-01-D_Renishaw_CMM_products_switch_setting_guide.pdf
[01:44:54] <archivist> pi6 is mentioned as well as the cable for your MP1 probably
[01:47:11] <Wolf_> yeah, Mp1s is simple, its only probe contacts, doesn’t even have led...
[01:47:52] <archivist> that doc has the DIN plug connections used
[01:48:48] <Wolf_> yeah, matches what I know, just added pin numbers to go with what I figured out with a DMM
[01:51:08] <archivist> I was measuring my contacts in the TP2's I have, one was very bad so I took off the rubber cover and cleaned inside as best I could, it did get better
[01:51:40] <Wolf_> my mp3 probe was full of cutting oil lol
[01:53:16] <Wolf_> so pi6 seems to just be a debounce?
[01:53:23] <archivist> todays project, add a keyboard to the A so I can write some calibration routine
[01:53:43] <archivist> Wolf_, yes just debounce
[01:54:07] <Wolf_> so I really could do the same thing with a arduino lol
[01:54:40] <Wolf_> plus led, and spindle lockout when probe is plugged in
[01:55:13] <archivist> there is a slight difference, what would perhaps be best is use an analog pin to detect change
[01:56:10] <archivist> be careful of noisy contacts "hearing" machine vibration though
[01:56:27] <Wolf_> yeah, pulled low or high?
[01:57:06] <Wolf_> yeah, well, when it first goes on the mill I can watch it with a scope as well
[01:57:19] <archivist> does not matter, with analog you detect a change of resistance which is earlier than an open contact
[01:57:32] <Wolf_> oh, right
[01:58:00] <archivist> this is what later probe interfaces look for
[01:58:58] <archivist> in some renishaw doc somewhere, cannot remember where
[02:00:04] <archivist> we must put result up on the wiki when we have the elcheapo arguino probe interface worked out
[02:00:16] <Wolf_> if it picks up “noise” off the machine probably contacts dirty or tension needs adjusted right
[02:00:39] <archivist> yes
[02:01:19] <Wolf_> yeah, all of these issues are going to be same as the “cheap” (overpriced?) china plastic probes w/ ball and rod contacts
[02:01:39] <archivist> iirc the TP2 doc describes the spring adjustment compromise
[02:02:15] <archivist> yup and arguino is a cheap fix
[02:02:41] <Wolf_> I can’t believe how clean this MP1 is lol
[02:03:17] <Wolf_> has some grim on it, but no nicks or dings
[02:04:42] <archivist> hmm I have force measuring now, I got a 100g load cell, so can measure the contact force and delay to seeing the contact
[02:05:27] <archivist> might need more pro minis.... slippery slope
[02:08:39] <Wolf_> at least the things are almost dirt cheap now
[02:10:17] <Wolf_> oh, and did you still need any parts out of that box of mangled renishaw parts I had picked up?
[02:11:31] <archivist> I managed to find a complete PK1 so I dont think so
[02:15:01] <Wolf_> http://i.imgur.com/ZZXBMsH.jpg DIY ph8 kit maybe? lol
[02:15:13] <archivist> it came with a mangled thing http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/mirror/renishaw/pk1.jpg
[02:17:19] <Wolf_> http://i.imgur.com/4yZABqT.jpg http://i.imgur.com/3VBjDVv.jpg well if you want anything out of there let me know, I don’t have much use for it due to a lack of things that would fit it lol
[02:19:19] <archivist> hmm......... would be entertaining to attempt reassembly
[02:23:16] <archivist> and it has the one part I do want... a socket
[02:24:34] <archivist> the frightening part, postage?
[02:25:23] <Wolf_> yeah, I’ll have to find out how bad it is lol
[02:25:49] <Wolf_> nice… this mp1 is missing the 8mm ball
[02:33:01] <archivist> I found this the other day http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RENISHAW-CMM-DATUM-SPHERE-X-2-74996-IN-19-0490mm-074992-IN-19-04080mm-/222340735166
[02:33:35] <Wolf_> nice
[02:34:12] <Wolf_> really nice price for a pair
[02:34:59] <archivist> so I just pressed the button a couple of minutes ago
[02:36:30] <Wolf_> like when I found this MP1, saw 0.75” shank and working, hit offer button for $75, it was listed at $125
[02:36:37] <Deejay> moin
[02:37:50] <Wolf_> I actually didn’t notice the tips included until it showed up and I opened the box lol
[02:39:53] <Wolf_> I do have to wonder how well this one was working missing the pivot ball and having just a foam disk between the probe and the shank lol
[02:40:15] <archivist> hehe
[02:40:39] <archivist> easy fix
[02:41:17] <Wolf_> yeah, might explain why its so clean, probably was the “don’t use that POS, it doesn’t work right” in the shop
[02:44:41] <archivist> some of the best ebay finds are "faulty" either in description or the sellers knowledge
[02:45:30] <Wolf_> I’m still trying to figure out why 10 people had this one watch listed and didn’t buy it lol
[02:46:34] <archivist> I left the datum balls for a few days, sometimes low price frightens them off
[02:48:48] <Wolf_> seeing that http://www.ebay.com/itm/Touch-Probe-for-CNC-3D-Modeling-Duplicating-Works-with-CNC-Shark-/131766976806 aren’t cheap…
[02:49:28] <SpeedEvil> archivist: non-googlable numbers help
[02:52:06] <archivist> Wolf_, yes crazy that people buy those instead of the real thing
[02:54:07] <IchGucksLive> morning from Germany
[02:55:59] <Wolf_> I got my $$ worth and then some anyways between the mounting shank and stylus/extension this thing came with :D
[02:56:23] <IchGucksLive> it came so be cool
[02:56:36] <archivist> must play making a resistance measuring probe interface with the aaaaaaarguino, I have thought of the basic algorithm
[02:57:01] <IchGucksLive> i got more then 10 orders since sep 16 not delivered
[02:59:21] <IchGucksLive> archivist the g123 this morning why dident he yust ask
[03:00:01] <IchGucksLive> someone knows the new log from tom link
[03:00:07] <archivist> how would I know, some are shy
[03:00:14] <IchGucksLive> agree
[03:00:45] <IchGucksLive> its -12deg C outside
[03:01:24] <IchGucksLive> ok im off till evening
[03:01:37] <IchGucksLive> have a good bitbreking ;-) day
[03:04:10] <Wolf_> http://i.imgur.com/xo5niek.jpg http://i.imgur.com/19Q097r.jpg I dont think this thing ever had a pivot ball lmao
[03:06:16] <archivist> that means hardly used
[03:06:50] <archivist> surprised renishaw would let it out the building like that
[03:07:52] <Wolf_> well it did show up here in a Chatillon DFG 2 box
[03:08:00] <Wolf_> whatever that is...
[03:08:06] <archivist> the "pivot" on this odd probe I have is solid
[03:09:48] <archivist> by solid I mean a pillar with a cap head screw holding the two plates together
[03:11:00] <Wolf_> I dont remember how the MP3 probe pivot is setup, it was on a monarc taper I think
[03:19:17] <archivist> you can see the two black plates with a gap at the bottom http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2015/2015_07_29_probe/IMG_1947.JPG
[03:20:25] <archivist> that is going to be harder to "read" need to make a 3 axis LVDT reader
[03:24:28] <Wolf_> that thing is crazy looking
[03:26:36] <archivist> needs a bit of electronics and then some a-d http://www.mikesflightdeck.com/lvdts/lvdts.html
[03:28:33] <archivist> the hard part, interfacing with linuxcnc probably
[04:26:57] <XXCoder> boom
[04:57:15] <jthornton> morning
[04:57:51] <XXCoder> good night jthornton
[04:57:54] <XXCoder> hows things
[04:58:04] <jthornton> waiting on coffee to make
[04:58:25] <XXCoder> buy coffenist
[04:58:30] <XXCoder> coffee soylent
[04:58:43] <jthornton> print some coffee
[04:58:53] <XXCoder> thats pretty possible
[04:59:04] <XXCoder> mix coffee grounds into pla
[04:59:13] <XXCoder> taste the coffee
[05:00:08] <jthornton> I need to print a few more test parts with the PETG CF Black then print my covers for the smart control
[05:18:14] <XXCoder> nice
[05:18:19] <XXCoder> I just had a random thought
[05:18:30] <XXCoder> what if induction probe is used as tool length sensor?
[05:18:40] <XXCoder> but then I wonder how repeatable it is.
[05:19:12] <jthornton> for your router?
[05:19:20] <XXCoder> for any machine really
[05:24:36] <archivist> define induction probe, an LVDT can be very accurate
[05:25:08] <XXCoder> didnt know theres more than one kind
[05:25:17] <archivist> one relying on the inductance of a near tool, probably close to useless
[05:25:21] <XXCoder> mone is from chinese, probably repeatable to .02mm or sop
[05:27:12] <XXCoder> interesting so it would vary with tool, making it useless
[05:45:22] <jthornton> don't modern probes use strain gauges?
[05:48:38] <XXCoder> no idea
[05:48:42] <archivist> some do
[05:48:54] <archivist> renishaw does
[05:50:05] <archivist> which is why I am playing with arguino and load cells and a HX711
[05:50:27] <archivist> just measured a gram to about 1%
[05:50:27] <jthornton> what is a HX711?
[05:50:43] <archivist> cheap load cell chip
[05:50:55] <archivist> 24 bit A-D
[05:51:06] <jthornton> cool
[05:51:15] <archivist> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HX711-Dual-channel-24-bit-A-D-Conversion-Weighing-Sensor-Module-Metal-Shied-UK-/121861075709
[05:51:36] <archivist> much cheaper from hong kong
[05:51:42] <jthornton> https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=HX711
[05:52:41] <archivist> iirc the renishaw has about 6 in a circle
[05:53:49] <jthornton> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/HX711-Dual-channel-24-bit-A-D-Conversion-Weighing-Sensor-Module-with-Metal-Shied-Free-Shipping/32462156464.html?ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_1_116_10065_117_10068_114_115_113_10000009_10084_10083_10080_10082_10081_10060_10062_10056_10055_10037_10054_10059_10032_10099_10078_10079_10077_426_10103_10073_10102_10096_10052_10053_10107_10050_10106_10051,searchweb201603_2,afswitch_5,single_sort_0_default&btsid=71a403
[05:53:49] <jthornton> b6-67f8-4441-9f20-3aaa3fd7aec3
[05:54:05] <jthornton> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/HX711-Dual-channel-24-bit-A-D-Conversion-Weighing-Sensor-Module-with-Metal-Shied-Free-Shipping/32462156464.html?ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_1_116_10065_117_10068_114_115_113_10000009_10084_10083_10080_10082_10081_10060_10062_10056_10055_10037_10054_10059_10032_10099_10078_10079_10077_426_10103_10073_10102_10096_10052_10053_10107_10050_10106_10051,searchweb201603_2,afswitch_5,single_sort_0_default&btsid=71a403
[05:54:05] <jthornton> b6-67f8-4441-9f20-3aaa3fd7aec3
[05:54:08] <XXCoder> you can strip url after ".html"
[05:54:12] <XXCoder> rest isnt needed
[05:54:19] <jthornton> wow what a url
[05:54:20] <XXCoder> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/HX711-Dual-channel-24-bit-A-D-Conversion-Weighing-Sensor-Module-with-Metal-Shied-Free-Shipping/32462156464.html
[05:55:13] <archivist> http://www.renishaw.com/en/rengage-technology--13953
[05:57:00] <archivist> the chips and strain gauges are thermally sensitive so need a bit of averaging/filtering to clean up
[07:15:54] <jthornton> hmm two new things to mess with nativecam and qtvcp
[07:26:26] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QDc2ax2bbY crazy
[07:29:46] <jthornton> pretty cool what you can make with simple tools
[07:29:50] <XXCoder> yeah
[07:29:58] <XXCoder> we went to moon with that kinda tech
[07:30:21] <XXCoder> basic cnc and more likely, stright machinist stuff not fancy stuff we have now
[07:55:21] <jthornton> yikes it's -13C outside
[07:55:48] <XXCoder> fancy
[07:55:54] <XXCoder> here its a LOT warmer
[07:56:04] <malcom2073> It's snowing here
[07:56:07] <XXCoder> 15c
[07:56:15] <XXCoder> my room is slightly warmer
[07:56:16] <malcom2073> Sounds like a good day to spend in the shop with the heater running :-D
[07:56:25] <XXCoder> nooope
[07:56:31] <XXCoder> my room wall is 10c
[07:56:45] <XXCoder> room 18c
[07:56:59] <XXCoder> if powerbox is at 10c outside must be colder.
[07:57:32] * jthornton emails XXCoder some caulk to fill up the cracks
[07:57:50] <XXCoder> too bad I dont have reverse of matter to email
[08:00:22] <jthornton> can't you print one?
[08:00:42] <XXCoder> its not to tea. earl gray. hot. level yet
[08:03:16] <XXCoder> well nihght
[08:03:25] <XXCoder> sleep is going to be bit rough
[08:03:46] <XXCoder> my bed corner is below window so it constually sprays cold air there too
[08:03:59] <XXCoder> I love sleeping in cold weather but this is just too much
[08:04:02] <malcom2073> Duct tape!
[08:04:10] <malcom2073> Or painters tape if you care about leaving gunk behind
[08:04:20] <malcom2073> I've used that as a quick fix to leaky window edges before
[08:04:29] <XXCoder> malcom2073: its entire windpow
[08:04:45] <XXCoder> powerbox is far worse though I plan to try tape around there tomorrow.
[08:04:47] <malcom2073> XXCoder: Unless the glass is cracked, it's not leaking through the pane, so you can tape it up
[08:04:54] <malcom2073> :-P
[08:05:00] <XXCoder> no what I mean is it leaks from all edges
[08:05:03] <malcom2073> I mean I've wrapped almost an entire window frame in tape
[08:05:07] <XXCoder> and window is one sheet
[08:05:14] <XXCoder> so cold can get though pretty easily
[08:05:30] <malcom2073> Yeah, tape will stop the airflow. It won't help with radiant cold, but it'll at least stop the air
[08:05:55] <XXCoder> it then chills air on other side and it moves down to bottom, affecting few stuff and bed
[08:06:24] <XXCoder> most of year its fine I love cold air
[08:06:42] <XXCoder> icy weather it becomes a problem, and here its fairly rarely icy
[08:06:46] <XXCoder> too close to ocean
[08:07:05] <malcom2073> Ah yeah that keeps it warmer I'll bet?
[08:07:22] <XXCoder> yeah this year is first time snow for third time for years
[08:07:35] <XXCoder> quite ironic its caused by global warming
[08:07:45] <XXCoder> north pole is 35 degrees warmer than usual
[08:08:05] <malcom2073> I think that's why they call it climate change nowadays, to avoid confusing the masses
[08:08:11] <XXCoder> indeed
[08:08:17] <malcom2073> 35??
[08:08:18] <malcom2073> Ouch
[08:08:25] <jdh> they call it chinese hoax
[08:08:30] <XXCoder> I hear it reached over 40 but less now
[08:08:42] <malcom2073> Of course it's hotter, it's at the edge of the flat earth ;0
[08:08:45] <malcom2073> ;)
[08:08:50] <XXCoder> though dunno what is normal degree so I cant calculate what its now
[08:08:57] <XXCoder> lol
[08:09:05] <XXCoder> you play minecraft too much ;)
[08:09:40] <malcom2073> Haha I do
[08:09:41] <XXCoder> btw minecraft have 3.5 million meter by 3.5 million meter surface area lol
[08:09:58] <XXCoder> I teleported to the endlands before it was fixed out
[08:10:03] <XXCoder> it was weird
[08:10:25] <malcom2073> I've been playing fortresscraft lately
[08:10:39] <XXCoder> I love mystcraft
[08:10:58] <XXCoder> dunno on its dev progress think its been dead for long whike now. irc channel ceryainly are
[08:11:14] <malcom2073> Heh
[08:11:20] <malcom2073> Yeah, I haven't played that mod in forever
[08:11:38] <XXCoder> I loved Writing ages lol
[08:11:45] <XXCoder> made some weird worlds.
[08:12:17] <XXCoder> ever read myst book?
[08:12:20] <XXCoder> its quite good
[08:12:24] <malcom2073> Nope
[08:12:29] <XXCoder> you should
[08:12:32] <malcom2073> I played the old myst years and years ago
[08:12:44] <malcom2073> Long enough that I don't actually remember anything about it
[08:12:56] <XXCoder> theres free one now
[08:13:07] <XXCoder> I keep delaying checking it lol
[08:13:20] <malcom2073> I may have to check that out
[08:13:34] <malcom2073> Anyway, off to the store to buy a 10-32 tap drill, so I can tap a reverse thread hole in a homemade turnbuckle!
[08:14:08] <XXCoder> malcom2073: cyan.com
[08:14:33] <malcom2073> Nice, bookmarking that for later
[08:15:28] <XXCoder> games arent free but I remember theres one that explore ages free (not game)
[08:16:27] <XXCoder> hm may bne not free anymore but nice anyway
[08:16:30] <XXCoder> laters bedtime
[08:42:49] <Tom_L> 4F
[08:49:53] <jthornton> tom you have mail
[08:50:02] <jthornton> Tom_L: even
[09:02:04] <Tom_L> ready for conversion?
[09:29:21] <JT-Shop> I tested it once seemed to work on all the 2016 logs
[12:47:16] <IchGucksLive> hi
[12:48:15] <IchGucksLive> ice bllizzard in the USA someone effected
[12:48:27] <IchGucksLive> here it is also ice rain
[12:48:55] <IchGucksLive> but ive been home and therefor no P.
[13:20:25] <roycroft> it's snowing like crazy here, and that snow is supposed to turn into ice at 6pm
[13:20:35] <roycroft> we're still recovering from our last two storms
[13:42:50] <IchGucksLive> Gn8
[13:42:50] <archivist> just done the12 year service on a mitutoyo caliper, needed to clean the 0/origin button
[13:47:17] <Tom_L> digital or dial?
[13:47:26] <archivist> digital
[13:47:51] <Tom_L> any way to fix a dead capacitance band in one?
[13:48:17] <archivist> not supposed to service them, they hide the screws under the label
[13:48:29] <Tom_L> i've got a .1 or .2" gap near the closed position
[13:48:52] <Tom_L> it was a fowler iirc
[13:48:59] <Tom_L> probably just find a new one
[13:49:03] <archivist> if damaged track then terminal
[13:49:10] <cyborg_ar> get a set of vernier calipers :)
[13:49:19] <Tom_L> i have a pair
[13:49:24] <Tom_L> don't like them
[13:49:24] <archivist> pff, take to long to use
[13:49:49] <cyborg_ar> reading fractional inches with them is annoying
[13:49:53] <archivist> and effin things dont do inch metric offsets :)
[13:49:55] <cyborg_ar> but pretty good for metric
[13:49:58] <Tom_L> the dial ones skip .020" if you get a shaving in the tooth
[13:51:59] <cyborg_ar> i probably need to get a new pair of calipers, the jaws in mine are worn out near the tip
[13:52:08] <cyborg_ar> not my doing, i got them like that
[13:52:23] <archivist> carefully shorten the tips to fix
[13:53:42] <archivist> I use a sharpening stone on the outer angle until the curve is reduced enough
[13:54:17] <cyborg_ar> hmm i guess i could
[13:54:23] <archivist> I have stoned the inner ro remove a burr after dropping
[13:55:29] <cyborg_ar> but yeah they are a bit on the crappy side anyway
[13:55:37] <cyborg_ar> stainless steel mitutoyo
[13:55:59] <archivist> also there are a couple of gib screws on the rear adjust
[13:56:25] <archivist> they are then close to new spec
[13:57:31] <cyborg_ar> yeah this one has no set screws
[13:57:55] <archivist> I never seen mitutoyo without
[13:58:08] <cyborg_ar> these are made in brazil
[14:00:09] <cyborg_ar> http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/cnoAAOSwvgdW2WeK/s-l1600.jpg oooh this is a higher precision version of the one i have
[14:00:14] <cyborg_ar> and it has decimal inches!
[14:02:51] <cyborg_ar> mine has fractional, and the metric vernier is 0.05mm instead of 0.02
[14:02:58] <sync_> the only analog mitutoyos I have is the diamond series with the dovetail
[14:03:42] <archivist> post number 6 http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/general/digital-caliper-adjustment-155311/
[14:03:52] <Wolf_> i like the mitutoyo stuff i have http://i.imgur.com/Sbd6BWE.jpg
[14:04:06] <cyborg_ar> archivist, http://i.imgur.com/I6Gv9rT.jpg that's mine, you can see the huge gap at the jaws
[14:04:48] <archivist> I shortened my old pair to fix that
[14:05:38] <archivist> on the right should be two screws onto the brass gib
[14:06:14] <archivist> I think that pair was used as a spanner :)
[14:06:33] <Tom_L> pipe wrench?
[14:06:36] <archivist> or measuring on rotating bar
[14:06:41] <Tom_L> err adjustable wrench..
[14:07:36] <Tom_L> only do that with micrometers.. the result serves you right
[14:07:45] <Wolf_> I find mic works better for wrenching
[14:08:08] <cyborg_ar> archivist, maybe the latter
[14:08:24] <cyborg_ar> this was in a toolroom in a harvester manufacturer in a previous life
[14:09:29] <cyborg_ar> it definitely has seen better days
[14:10:08] <archivist> it is amusing what abuse one sees on adjustable spanner, they get it much worse
[14:17:24] <cyborg_ar> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjYWpqaqS-4
[14:19:52] <gregcnc> fun stuff
[14:31:41] <g135> !seen jt-shop
[14:31:42] <the_wench> last seen in #linuxcnc 2017-01-07 14:57:23GMT 05:02:20 ago, saying I tested it once seemed to work on all the 2016 logs
[14:32:04] <g135> !seen pcw_home
[14:32:04] <the_wench> last seen in 2017-01-05 15:16:46GMT 52:43:19 ago, saying Ping timeout: 252 seconds
[14:32:05] <MacGalempsy> malcom2073: is the generator output a little more stable now?
[14:32:17] <g135> !seen pcw_mesa
[14:32:17] <the_wench> last seen in #linuxcnc 2017-01-03 03:31:55GMT 112:28:24 ago, saying joined chan
[15:17:01] <g135> anyone here familar with mesa or cnc4pc cards?
[15:19:51] <jdh> ask the real question, see if someone knows.
[15:21:08] <g135> I am purchasing parts to convert a http://www.grizzly.com/products/Drill-Mill-with-Stand/G0704?utm_campaign=zPage&utm_source=grizzly.com to cnc
[15:21:55] <g135> my work direction states to purchase a https://cnc4pc.com/c35s-quick-setup-breakout-board.html or a https://cnc4pc.com/c35s-quick-setup-breakout-board.html
[15:22:27] <MacGalempsy> g135: steppers or servos?
[15:23:06] <g135> I would like to purchase best in class hardware from mesa/cnc4pc but would like some guidance. this is a stepper setup with no encoder support
[15:23:39] <jdh> what drivers
[15:25:21] <g135> it would be similar to this but slightly better components http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/cnc-controller-box/3-axis-cnc-stepper-control-box
[15:26:14] <Roguish> g135: there are some very complete examples of converting the G0704. the linuxcnc/mesa option is phenomenal. (I pesonally recommend dc servos)
[15:26:15] <jdh> that could be all you need.
[15:27:17] <g135> I would be interested in the link, however I have already purchased the drivers/steppers
[15:27:38] <Roguish> well, there ya go. good start.
[15:27:41] <MacGalempsy> g135: if there are complete examples with Mesa, then you should go for it becuase figuring it out from ground zero can be time consuming
[15:28:35] <jdh> http://store.mesanet.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=83_84&product_id=217
[15:29:26] <enleth> I'm looking for the most elegant way of issuging G92 commands externally - has anyone here tried doing something like that?
[15:29:30] <MacGalempsy> thats the one. you might get it from JT-Shop, too
[15:30:54] <MacGalempsy> I was hoping to build a capacitor bank today, but nothing in the mailbox.... booohooo
[15:30:58] <jdh> enleth: I tried to G92 a few times and was thoroughly confused by what happened
[15:31:10] <Roguish> g135: go to www.cnczone.com, register and login, and spend a lot of hours reading. worth every bit of effort, in time and cost.
[15:31:24] <enleth> externally, as in, not from the Axis GUI, but from an external device with a keyboard and a display, connected to linuxcnc over serial
[15:31:47] <MacGalempsy> g135: another great place for help https://forum.linuxcnc.org/forum/index
[15:32:36] <enleth> jdh: how G92 itself works is another matter entirely, now I'm trying to figure out how to issue a G92 when the operator inputs a new axis value and confirms it on an external keyboard
[15:32:47] <enleth> it does what I need it to do
[15:33:14] <enleth> that is, it's going to be used for manual operation with linuxcnc acting as a DRO
[15:34:19] <enleth> tl;dr I kept the original operator panel of the TNC 131 control, it has a regular DRO-style 3 axis position display which is easy enough to feed with data from hal
[15:35:03] <g135> ya, i've read Hoss 1000-2000 post thread... im kinda on break for a while. Is there a thread you had in mind on cnczone? The mesa link sounds nice would like to see thread or something saying here is what i used successfully.
[15:35:22] <enleth> but there's also a buffered numeric display with a keyboard - you can select the axis, edit a value and confirm it, at which point TNC did an equivalent of a G92 for that axis
[16:09:31] <g135> What motherboards are people using with the 5i25 to make a good setup?
[16:16:54] <JT-Shop> gigabyte j1900n-dv3 and h81m-52hgsm and asus p5ql/epu and e45 m1-m pro
[16:17:12] * JT-Shop wonders why the plasma didn't fire off
[16:25:52] <Deejay> gn8
[16:27:01] <g135> thanks JT-Shop
[16:28:23] <Jymmm> Sears sells "Craftsman" to Stanley's Black and Decker.
[16:37:15] <g135> JT-Shop: Can you reconfirm "h81m-52hgsm" since I can not find this model. thanks!
[16:41:33] <JT-Shop> my hand writing sucks got the box H81M-S2H GSM
[16:52:25] <JT-Shop> now I need to find a dxf of a 3 or 4 toed foot so I can burn out some feet for the stove stand
[16:54:13] <skunkworks_> Jogging a 10 ton machine around with a usb wireless pendent is a bit scary... Seems to work though.
[16:55:19] <sync_> until you crash it
[16:55:27] <g135> JT-Shop: Can you reconfirm "h81m-52hgsm" since I can not find this model. thanks!
[16:57:34] <JT-Shop> read back
[17:05:02] <pfred1> anyone here ever use OpenSCAD?
[17:06:54] <rob_h> nope, have you seen freecad www.freecadweb.org
[17:07:17] <pfred1> I have not been able to get freeCAD to build recently
[17:08:00] <pfred1> I'm going to have to work on it some more over here
[17:08:45] <pfred1> but I did get OpenSCAD to compile
[17:08:58] <pfred1> the devs are a sharp bunch
[17:09:20] <rob_h> i dont know never looked any of them
[17:14:53] <MacGalempsy> RIP Sears, hopefully Stanley starts making Craftsman in the US again
[17:15:08] <Tom_L> hope somebody steps up
[17:15:39] <pfred1> MacGalempsy yeah they're done
[17:15:45] <Tom_L> your lifetime warranty has just expired
[17:15:46] <MacGalempsy> I worked there from 16 - 21 years old, it was a great opportunity. Now I go in to the local Sears and its a ghosttown
[17:15:50] <pfred1> no more crapman quick tools
[17:16:08] <MacGalempsy> all those gimmick items
[17:16:13] <roycroft> craftsman has been pretty useless for years
[17:16:26] <roycroft> they stopped making most of the pro-line tools
[17:16:27] <pfred1> roycroft agreed
[17:16:37] <pfred1> I got a bunch of their tools though
[17:16:40] <MacGalempsy> they used to make a lot of the tools her in NW Arkansas until they opened the South Carolina Plant
[17:16:49] <pfred1> wrenchs screwdrivers sockets
[17:16:58] <roycroft> i always bought craftsman because they were better than most consumer tools without the price of snap-on or mac or proto, etc.
[17:17:09] <pfred1> snap-on is smoking crack
[17:17:12] <roycroft> i went in a couple weeks ago with some screwdrivers that had worn out
[17:17:27] <pfred1> I'm sorry but their tools aren't that much better to justify the price
[17:17:30] <MacGalempsy> the other day I went in for a single Allen wrench replacement. they said I would have to bring in the whole set for a trade...
[17:17:39] <roycroft> they tried to pawn off some crappy low-grade ones one me for exchange because that's all they have any more
[17:17:46] <MacGalempsy> trade in made in USA for made in China...wtf
[17:17:59] <roycroft> i ended up taking my worn-out ones back home because they were still better than the brand new replacements
[17:18:20] <pfred1> craftsman screwdrivers were never that great
[17:18:29] <roycroft> snap-on tools are like 2x better than high end craftsman, but at 5x the price
[17:18:34] <roycroft> they are significantly better
[17:18:40] <roycroft> but not enough to justify the price difference
[17:18:48] <pfred1> more like 10X the price
[17:18:49] <roycroft> if i were a professional mechanic probably so
[17:18:55] <roycroft> but i'm not
[17:18:56] <Tom_L> i got snapon years ago out of convenience
[17:19:06] <pfred1> I got some snap-on
[17:19:08] <roycroft> i've been getting a few snap-on tools of late
[17:19:12] <roycroft> usually used off ebay or cl
[17:19:16] <pfred1> yeah it's nice but come on
[17:19:47] <roycroft> it's also a hassle buying snap-on if you're not a full-time mechanic
[17:19:54] <pfred1> I can work with cheap Indian tools too
[17:19:54] <roycroft> you have to get the snap-on truck to show up at your shop
[17:20:04] <roycroft> and they don't want to bother if you're not going to buy stuff from them every time
[17:20:10] <Tom_L> i've chased one down a few times
[17:20:14] <Tom_L> but it's a hassle
[17:20:38] <pfred1> harbor freight pro line madei n taiwan is good enough for me
[17:20:54] <pfred1> taiwan wants to be the next Japan
[17:21:03] <pfred1> so their stuff is top notch
[17:21:06] <roycroft> that's how it goes
[17:21:11] <roycroft> after the war japan made crap
[17:21:30] <roycroft> after a decade or so of that, taiwan started making crap and japan made better stuff
[17:21:41] <roycroft> then china started making crap and taiwan started making better stuff
[17:21:48] <pfred1> I remember when madei n japan meant the cheapest crap on the planet
[17:21:51] <roycroft> then india started making crap and china started making better stuff
[17:21:59] <roycroft> currently vietnam is making crap and india is sitll making crap
[17:22:11] <roycroft> india will probably start making better stuff eventually
[17:22:21] <roycroft> and then african countries will probably start making crap
[17:22:33] <sync_> well it always depends
[17:22:46] <sync_> china as well as india are able to produce very high quality products
[17:23:01] <pfred1> well I think the Harbor Freight pro line is a bargain right now
[17:23:06] <roycroft> but that's not what they mostly export
[17:23:38] <roycroft> it's the cycle of industrialization
[17:24:00] <roycroft> a country starts by making crap with almost slave labor, dangerous working conditions, and pulluting horribly
[17:24:38] <roycroft> when theireconomy starts getting larger and stronger, wages go up, working conditions improve, and environmental protection laws are passed and enforced
[17:24:41] <pfred1> we ned to make America pollute again
[17:24:50] <roycroft> they can no longer compete with crap any more
[17:24:55] <roycroft> so they start making better quality goods
[17:25:18] <roycroft> and then a niche for crap opens up and some other country starts industrializing
[17:25:53] <JT-Shop> Tom_L: you try the conversion?
[17:25:54] <roycroft> i've purchased made in india files from hf that have sand embedded in them
[17:26:05] <pfred1> extra abrasive
[17:26:14] <Tom_L> JT-Shop, not yet, i'll likely try it this evening
[17:26:22] <pfred1> it is hard to find decent files anymore
[17:26:48] <roycroft> it's hard to find any but medium mill bastard files any more
[17:26:53] <sync_> not really, vallorbe and pferd make very nice ones
[17:27:01] <pfred1> I found a guy at a flea market that had a whole table of NOS Nicholsen files
[17:27:20] <roycroft> quality tools can still be had
[17:27:31] <roycroft> they are harder to find than they used to be
[17:27:37] <roycroft> and definitely command a premium price
[17:27:46] <roycroft> but they're still cheaper in the long run
[17:27:57] <pfred1> I buy used tools for dirt cheap
[17:27:59] <roycroft> they perform better, saving time, and they last longer, saving replacement cost
[17:28:08] <roycroft> at my age, i have a pretty good set of tools
[17:28:30] <Tom_L> JT-Shop, does it work on both files or just the old ones?
[17:28:31] <pfred1> yeah with a lot of things I'm just buying to collect
[17:28:32] <roycroft> i'm not a 20-ish kid furiously spending every spare penny from my paycheck trying to buy a set of tools
[17:28:52] <roycroft> so now when i buy tools, they're usually very high quality
[17:29:10] <pfred1> if i see a nice pair of linesmans for a quarter I'm not going to pass them up just because I got a dozen pair already
[17:29:11] <roycroft> either task-specific ones i never had before, or better quality replacements for existing ones
[17:29:26] <roycroft> and i have two shops
[17:29:40] <roycroft> i used to keep all my tools in my main shop, and run in there from the welding shop every time i needed something
[17:30:08] <roycroft> or, more often, bring a box full of what i think i'll need with me to the welding shop when i'm starting a job
[17:30:11] <pfred1> yeah it is nice to have duplicates where you need to use tools
[17:30:25] <pfred1> my milling machine has a nicer tool set than most folks do
[17:30:28] <roycroft> but slowly i've been upgrading my main tools and putting the dups in the welding shop
[17:30:40] <JT-Shop> Tom_L: it ignores the new files
[17:31:07] <roycroft> and yes, it may seem a bit odd, but there's at least a #2 phillips screwedriver that lives in almost every room of my house
[17:31:21] <roycroft> just 'cuz i've accumulated so many over the years
[17:31:31] <roycroft> why run out to the shop when you can just open a drawer?
[17:31:32] <pfred1> I buy box lots of tools
[17:31:44] <pfred1> just random junk
[17:31:53] <roycroft> but back to the original topic
[17:32:08] <roycroft> snap-on are definitely higher quality than craftsman, even the craftsman pro stuff
[17:32:10] <Loetmichel_> roycroft: i tend to have a lot of tools on me most of the time
[17:32:28] <pfred1> like this was one day's haul http://i.imgur.com/s4hMwTG.jpg
[17:32:29] <roycroft> i also keep small tool kits in each of my vehicles
[17:32:46] <pfred1> that was 2 box lots
[17:33:04] <roycroft> it's kind of sad to see craftsman sold off
[17:33:06] <roycroft> but not surprising
[17:33:15] <pfred1> sears is done
[17:33:18] <Loetmichel_> leatherman wave on one hip, a small bunsen torch ligher and some solder in one pocket, a 4mm bit screwdriver that has a dozen bits in the shaft in the other pocket ;)
[17:33:19] <pfred1> they were idiots
[17:33:19] <roycroft> and it won't be as impactful on me as it might have been 20 years ago
[17:33:24] <roycroft> i'm surprised they lasted this long
[17:33:34] <roycroft> montgomery wards went under about 15 years ago
[17:33:37] <Wolf_> time to start buying gear-wrench stuff
[17:33:39] <roycroft> sears were struggling even then
[17:33:46] <roycroft> they're struggling more now
[17:33:48] <pfred1> they could have had an internet presence and used their stores as pick up points
[17:34:00] <roycroft> well they tried selling craftsman outside sears
[17:34:05] <Wolf_> btw Gear-Wrench will warranty over the phone
[17:34:17] <pfred1> I've done that with harbor freight
[17:34:18] <roycroft> several local home improvement centers here carry craftsmann now
[17:34:40] <roycroft> i still consider harbor freight hand tools one-use tools
[17:34:48] <Tom_L> JT-Shop, trying it now
[17:34:50] <Loetmichel_> and i just bought a bit-set including ratchet nuts from 5mm up to 13mm that fits the leathermans tool holder
[17:34:50] <pfred1> roycroft well don't
[17:34:59] <roycroft> well they break all the time
[17:35:02] <pfred1> their made in taiwan stuff is top notch
[17:35:03] <Loetmichel_> just have to make a belt pouch for that ;)
[17:35:07] <Wolf_> HF junk, fix before use or break on use
[17:35:15] <pfred1> if you're breakign them then you just don't know what you'r doing
[17:35:30] <roycroft> you're right
[17:35:32] <roycroft> i don't know what i'm doing
[17:35:38] <roycroft> because i keep buying their stuff
[17:35:43] <roycroft> :)
[17:35:50] <Wolf_> I broke a HF 1” ratchet and sockets that go with it
[17:35:52] <pfred1> buy the pro line and make sure it is made in taiwan
[17:35:53] <roycroft> i haven't seen any "hf pro line" tools
[17:36:09] <roycroft> my local hf store is fairly small
[17:36:15] <roycroft> perhaps they don't carry that stuff
[17:36:29] <Loetmichel_> pfred1: if HF tools are of the quality you find here in germany in the "grab box around the cashier" in hardware stores then its easy to break that stuff on first use
[17:36:39] <roycroft> their hydraulic tools are ok
[17:36:40] <pfred1> yeah last time I went to a HF store they didn't have what I wanted
[17:36:53] <Tom_L> JT-Shop, takes a while to convert 1700+ files in a directory
[17:36:56] <roycroft> not great, but ok
[17:36:59] <roycroft> i don't break those
[17:37:04] <roycroft> some of their air tools are ok
[17:37:06] <roycroft> some just don't work
[17:37:11] <JT-Shop> lol yea
[17:37:27] <Tom_L> that's on a ssd
[17:37:31] <roycroft> their body work tools are ok
[17:37:34] <Tom_L> it'll take forever on the old server
[17:37:42] <roycroft> i have a french wheel and shrinker/stretcher that work fine
[17:37:53] <Loetmichel_> <. managed to make a U bend in a 14mm/17mm wrench from the local "obi"
[17:38:03] <roycroft> i got my 7x12 band saw from hf, really cheap
[17:38:05] <Loetmichel_> by hand, without the use of a lever
[17:38:17] <roycroft> and ended up replacing the motor drive train with better quality parts
[17:38:21] <pfred1> I have a Rong Fu bandsaw I bought at HF
[17:38:22] <roycroft> but it works fine now
[17:38:26] <pfred1> it is made in taiwan
[17:38:41] <Tom_L> JT-Shop, how hard is it to change it so it converts only one file?
[17:38:44] <pfred1> my HF mill is a mainland clone thugh and it's a bit of a POS
[17:39:19] <Tom_L> i think i'll convert them on a faster machine and move them, then update today's log by itself
[17:39:21] <Loetmichel_> or how about this drill? that happened when i used it in a cheap battery drill: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14784&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[17:39:35] <Loetmichel_> ... one-handed
[17:39:45] <Wolf_> nice lol
[17:39:49] <roycroft> http://www.roycroft.us/7x12Gear.jpeg
[17:39:50] <pfred1> Loetmichel_ cheap cordless tools are hopeless
[17:39:54] <roycroft> that was after a few months of use
[17:40:01] <roycroft> i've repalced it with a steel gear now
[17:40:04] <Loetmichel_> pfred1: the battery drill still lives...
[17:40:10] <roycroft> note: it never ran dry or anything
[17:40:11] <Loetmichel_> ... the drill bit not so much ;)
[17:40:22] <roycroft> it was just made out of brass that was as soft as butter
[17:40:47] <pfred1> I have a 115 black oxide china twist drill set that I picked up for $29.95 and it works for me
[17:40:53] <Loetmichel_> i dont get it: arent drill bits for steel usually made of a HSS steel that rather breaks than bend?
[17:40:59] <pfred1> I drill steel with it all the time
[17:41:01] <roycroft> but i paid $265, i think for the saw
[17:41:05] <roycroft> not a bad deal for a 7x12
[17:41:11] <Loetmichel_> and that thing managed to "turn OVER" without breaking
[17:41:17] <pfred1> heck no i just have a 4x6
[17:41:19] <Wolf_> hmm where to find 24VAC 1.4A min power supply…
[17:41:44] <Loetmichel_> Wolf_: try notbook acccessories
[17:41:53] <roycroft> and it cuts dead square, to within a fraction of a degree
[17:42:06] <Wolf_> ick, my saw was less then $100 9x something wilton
[17:42:10] <Loetmichel_> some "universal" ones can be switched up to 24V
[17:42:15] <roycroft> i bought a floor model, and it was missing the table for vertical cutting and the coolant system
[17:42:23] <roycroft> i made a table out of a piece of scrap
[17:42:35] <roycroft> and added a coolant system for about $50 worth of parts
[17:43:28] <roycroft> there's a world of difference between a 4x6 on a rickety stand and a 7x12 with a hydraulic damper
[17:43:43] <pfred1> I put my 4x6 on a base
[17:43:47] <roycroft> i sold my 4x6 for $125 - almost half what i paid for the 7x12
[17:44:05] <Wolf_> .. I’ll have to check my box of odd shit in the shop, might have a 24Vac brick somewhere
[17:44:34] <pfred1> here's a pic of my rickety 4x6 cutting through railroad track http://i.imgur.com/YvLQO.jpg
[17:44:53] <Tom_L> log
[17:44:53] <c-log> Tom_L: Today's Log http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:82/~tom-itx/irc/logs/%23linuxcnc/2017-01-07.html
[17:45:27] <roycroft> the one good thing about my 4x6 is that i could schlep it onto the back of my pick or into my van and haul it to a job site
[17:45:33] <roycroft> the 7x12 does not leave the welding shop
[17:46:09] <roycroft> next time i do a remote job that requires significant jobsite cutting i'll have to buy a milwaukee port-a-band
[17:46:27] <pfred1> get a cold saw
[17:46:49] <roycroft> i don't like them
[17:46:54] <roycroft> a port-a-band would be fine
[17:46:55] <Wolf_> I like the milwaukee port-a band, I have 3 of them, and the dry cut saw
[17:47:03] <pfred1> the trick to cold saws is don't push too hard
[17:47:17] <roycroft> and in fact, the reason i started moving to milwaukee 18v tools was because i wanted their port-a-band eventually
[17:47:18] <Wolf_> almost never use the dry cut…
[17:47:32] <roycroft> then i found out how much better they were than my old dewalt stuff
[17:47:51] <Wolf_> roycroft: http://i.imgur.com/XsDNV0t.jpg
[17:47:56] <XXCoder> geeez. I was wondering on heavy traffic on i5, apparently some 15 year old girl crossed i5 to meet friends and hit hit
[17:48:02] <XXCoder> causing more accints
[17:48:02] <roycroft> the battery port-a-band has more torque then their corded version
[17:48:15] <pfred1> I have two failed milwaukee chargers that kind of turned me off to the company
[17:48:28] <pfred1> they both just cook batteries
[17:48:36] <roycroft> that's the one, wolf_
[17:48:52] <roycroft> i have the 5.0 batteries
[17:48:58] <roycroft> and i have several of them
[17:49:03] <roycroft> and multiple chargers
[17:49:08] <Wolf_> http://i.imgur.com/38lRPE1.jpg I still want this thing
[17:49:15] <roycroft> i'm sure i can keep batteries charged up enough to keep up with my work
[17:49:34] <XXCoder> buy 2 3 or 4 extra batteries
[17:49:41] <roycroft> that would be nice, wolf_
[17:49:43] <XXCoder> and chargers too
[17:49:44] <Wolf_> I have the 6 bay 3x m18 3x m12 charger
[17:49:48] <roycroft> so many times i've wanted a mag drill
[17:50:07] <roycroft> the fuel line is worth the extra money
[17:50:18] <roycroft> so much better than the cheaper stuff with brush motors
[17:50:38] <Wolf_> yup, I have a few of them
[17:50:47] <roycroft> my jigsaw is not fuel
[17:50:49] <roycroft> but i hardly use it
[17:51:03] <roycroft> drills, impact drills, screwguns all fuel
[17:51:49] <roycroft> that mag drill would be so sweet
[17:52:25] <pfred1> I have an old Milwaukee right angle drill it is like a hand mag drill
[17:52:28] <Wolf_> grinder 7.25 saw, port-a-band and a m12 fuel drill here so far
[17:53:34] <Wolf_> right now we are using a hougen mag drill
[17:53:37] <roycroft> i have a bunch of 12v milwaukee stuff
[17:53:42] <roycroft> drills and screwguns
[17:53:47] <roycroft> including a right angle drill
[17:53:53] <roycroft> i like the 12v stuff for a lot of things
[17:53:57] <roycroft> lighter and easier to handle
[17:54:17] <Wolf_> yeah, right angle drill and right angle impact are great in m12
[17:54:21] <roycroft> i don't like swapping out drill bits/screwgun bits
[17:54:31] <roycroft> so i have a bunch of drills and screwguns
[17:54:39] <Wolf_> lol same here
[17:55:02] <roycroft> center drill, pilot, nominal, countersink all chucked up in their own drill
[17:55:46] <roycroft> it's just so much easier to set one down and pick up the next one
[17:55:55] <roycroft> and so much faster
[17:56:04] <Wolf_> most drilling in my shop is 5/8” in truck frames so not much use of hand drills if we can avoid it
[17:56:16] <JT-Shop> Tom_L: just put one file in the directory
[17:56:26] <roycroft> i like air drills for larger holes in metal that are hand drilled
[17:57:29] <Tom_L> JT-Shop, hard to do and keep it current
[17:57:41] <Tom_L> i guess i could move all the others out
[18:01:29] <JT-Shop> what are you trying to do?
[18:03:57] <Loetmichel_> Wolf_: 5/8" in thick steel beams on a truck with a hand drill IS sporty
[18:04:20] <Tom_L> it's gonna take too long to convert the files on the old server so i plan to move them to a faster machine to convert then move them back
[18:04:38] <Tom_L> then convert today's by itself
[18:04:42] <JT-Shop> just move the ones you wan to convert
[18:04:45] <Tom_L> so it will stay current
[18:04:57] <JT-Shop> it will only convert the old files
[18:05:09] <Loetmichel_> biggest i have done was 60mm with a step drill bit in a hand drill into a 15mm thick steel beam of a mercedes Unimog (to mount a trailer plug)
[18:05:12] <Tom_L> does it matter what the channel is called?
[18:05:19] <Tom_L> it will append that name to the file won't it?
[18:05:20] <JT-Shop> no
[18:05:26] <Tom_L> just the index files..
[18:05:35] <Tom_L> and they get rebuilt anyway
[18:05:50] <JT-Shop> it does not convert the index only the log files
[18:06:25] <Tom_L> doesn't it show each channel in the log header though?
[18:06:44] <Tom_L> so i need to convert them in the correct directory for each channel
[18:07:01] <JT-Shop> yea
[18:07:11] <JT-Shop> the directory can be anywhere
[18:07:20] <Tom_L> i know what i'll do then
[18:07:33] <JT-Shop> okay dokey
[18:08:21] <Tom_L> should have them done here in a bit
[18:12:07] <Tom_L> JT-Shop, once a python file is launched can the file be moved or does it need to stay there?
[18:14:15] <JT-Shop> which file
[18:15:02] <Tom_L> the logbot.py file
[18:15:20] <Tom_L> i wanna keep the old one running while i move the new one to the directory
[18:15:29] <Tom_L> then kill the first and relaunch the new one
[18:15:52] <JT-Shop> you can run the conversion scrip from anywhere you want to
[18:16:09] <Tom_L> i know, i'm not talking about that though
[18:16:23] <JT-Shop> the new logger is creating the correct files now
[18:16:54] <JT-Shop> so no you can't move the logger when it's running
[18:20:03] <Tom_L> probably have 10k + files to convert
[18:20:35] <JT-Shop> and?
[18:21:05] <Tom_L> gonna take a bit
[18:21:16] <JT-Shop> the logger is only working with today's log
[18:21:51] <JT-Shop> so you can move all the old logs to some place and convert them
[18:21:58] <JT-Shop> then move them back
[18:23:12] <Tom_L> that's what i'm doing right now
[21:23:41] <Tom_L> quiet night
[21:24:49] <pfred1> for how long this software is takign to generate a toolpath it had better be mighty pretty when it is done
[22:25:13] <MacGalempsy> something about saturday night. my wife said downtown was dead
[22:27:40] <MacGalempsy> question. my nephew has been learning to program Scratch in school and I was thinking about getting him either a RP3 or Arduino to promote his learning. has anyone in here had experience with either of these and LCNC?
[22:31:07] <MacGalempsy> https://youtu.be/WLIo7TA82xE
[22:31:11] <MacGalempsy> pretty cool
[22:47:06] <Wolf_> I have arduinos
[22:47:19] <Wolf_> hell, I have 5 of them otw from amazon right now
[22:48:29] <Gene69> can I do the the raspberry with off the shelf hardware and software?
[22:49:24] <Wolf_> no idea, probably a crap load of info about it on the forums I would think
[22:57:51] <pfred1> I like Arduino I just get the counterfeit clones from China though
[22:58:17] <pfred1> they're like 3 bucks and change without the programming cable
[22:59:09] <Wolf_> 5x nanos from amazon for $20
[22:59:27] <pfred1> I just use the what's the regular one the Uno?
[23:00:18] <Wolf_> yea, I have a uno here on my desk
[23:00:57] <Wolf_> and a couple of fio w/ 2.4 x-bee and a couple pro micro
[23:01:04] <Wolf_> many flavors
[23:01:07] <pfred1> we didn't have anything like an Arduino when I was a kid
[23:01:33] <tiwake> arduino is just a library
[23:02:09] <pfred1> to me it is hardware too because i never tried to build one
[23:02:41] <Wolf_> just a easy to use AVR with a somewhat nice bootloader
[23:03:07] <tiwake> though AVRs are pretty easy to begin with
[23:03:08] <MacGalempsy> Gene69: it kind of looks like it, but you may do a little more research if you need to buy the hardware
[23:03:37] <Wolf_> I wish they were around when I was a kid, I might actually know how to code then lol
[23:03:56] <pfred1> maybe we had computers with basic
[23:04:22] <Wolf_> yep, had that in high school…
[23:04:41] <pfred1> well I didn't but I knew some people that had them
[23:04:55] <pfred1> they still cost thousands
[23:05:07] <tiwake> made my own key to tap out morse code, made my own 555 buzzer thing so I could hear it... then I made a split-screen program in BASIC to type out a message and convert it to morse code
[23:05:23] <pfred1> I had 555 timers
[23:05:33] <tiwake> that was the beginning of me leaning how to program
[23:05:34] <tiwake> heh
[23:06:02] <pfred1> I can kind of program arduinos
[23:06:08] <Wolf_> I wish I knew wtf I was doing when it comes to programming
[23:06:25] <Wolf_> I can cut and paste code… mostly sorta
[23:06:40] <pfred1> I had no luck recently trying to port some C++
[23:06:50] <tiwake> I cant do regex... but enh
[23:06:55] <pfred1> I couldn't even figure out where to start
[23:07:26] <tiwake> my cousin gave me all his old programming books... about 3/4 of them for old apple computer systems
[23:08:09] <tiwake> chipmunk basic
[23:08:11] <tiwake> etc.
[23:08:37] <tiwake> some code warrior C books, pascal...
[23:08:43] <pfred1> I like hardware for some reason software doesn't hold my interest very much
[23:08:52] <Wolf_> lmao, sounds like me right now, I’m look at code that was written in bascom to port over to arduino…
[23:09:34] <tiwake> I like learning whatever can be useful
[23:09:37] <pfred1> I'd like to know what is wrong with the program running on my system now
[23:09:53] <tiwake> almost everything can be useful, so I try to pick up at least a little bit
[23:10:06] <pfred1> it is taking over 2 hours to generate some G code
[23:10:18] <tiwake> sometimes I drive myself crazy with all the new information to learn
[23:10:28] <Wolf_> https://forum.arduino.cc/index.php?topic=79160.0
[23:10:46] <Wolf_> I love all the dead end threads when trying to do arduio stuff
[23:10:54] <pfred1> heh
[23:11:12] <pfred1> I've been running Linux long enough to be familiar with that
[23:11:34] <pfred1> people post about a problem then there's no solution
[23:12:40] <Wolf_> lol yeah not a new thing, I found like 10 threads about using arduino with this cam, but no examples or solutions, same shit for running pelco-d out of a arduino
[23:14:35] <pfred1> I got OpenSCAD to build yesterday on this system so that made me happy
[23:16:08] <pfred1> now i just found out that PyCAM can take stl files from OpenSCAD and generate g code out of them
[23:23:17] <pfred1> hmmm I get the message, "Psyco is not available (performance will probably suffer slightly)" so I go on the Psyco website and i see, "Psyco is unmaintained and dead. Please look at PyPy for the state-of-the-art in JIT compilers for Python."
[23:54:14] <MacGalempsy> pfred1: start out with Scratch
[23:54:44] <MacGalempsy> it was developed for kids, but its an easy way to learn the fundamentals
[23:56:59] <zeeshan> MacGalempsy: yes im here :P
[23:57:12] <pfred1> MacGalempsy I just don'
[23:57:19] <pfred1> MacGalempsy I just don't have the mind for programming
[23:57:28] <zeeshan> why not
[23:57:35] <pfred1> beats me
[23:57:41] <MacGalempsy> its all 1 & 0
[23:57:42] <zeeshan> you're trying to take on too much
[23:57:47] <MacGalempsy> how hard can it be?
[23:57:48] <zeeshan> grab a book and start with basics
[23:57:51] <pfred1> adhd probably
[23:57:54] <zeeshan> it's not bad
[23:57:59] <MacGalempsy> zeeshan: I was wondering about the location you are going
[23:58:06] <zeeshan> middle of no where :)
[23:58:11] <pfred1> I like hands on stuff better
[23:59:02] <MacGalempsy> coords
[23:59:18] <MacGalempsy> or it doesnt exist :0