#linuxcnc | Logs for 2017-01-05

[00:29:38] <cyborg_ar> holy shit!
[00:29:49] <cyborg_ar> i bought 4, lets see how they do
[00:29:50] <cyborg_ar> haha
[00:40:13] <archivist> Wolf_, you called?
[00:53:39] <roycroft> i almost bought four, but i bought two
[01:25:00] <MrCurious> can image-to-gcode (http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gui/image-to-gcode.html) be installed onto ubuntu?
[02:37:12] <Deejay> moin
[03:01:13] <Wolf_> archivist: yeah, was going to ask if you knew much about the MP1s probes
[05:15:05] <glloq> bonjour a vous !
[05:19:12] <jthornton> morning
[05:21:50] <XXCoder> yo
[05:22:10] <Wolf_> morning
[05:23:06] <XXCoder> http://blogs.microsoft.com/next/2016/10/18/historic-achievement-microsoft-researchers-reach-human-parity-conversational-speech-recognition/
[05:23:17] <XXCoder> getting closer and closer to tech deaf can use
[05:23:45] <XXCoder> theres opposite also, gloves that detect sign language and turn it to voice though thats much less progressed
[05:27:51] <jthornton> whats even more amazing is people that can't read sign can carry on a conversation with a deaf person on the IRC
[05:28:04] <Tom_L> hey
[05:28:16] <jthornton> morning Tom_L
[05:29:22] <Tom_L> 16f
[05:29:27] <XXCoder> jthornton: nah. whats more amazing? all people in world is chatting in single channel, one about cnc machining
[05:29:41] <XXCoder> deaf knowing english arent
[05:30:16] <jthornton> hmmm national weather service thermometer is broken
[05:30:28] <XXCoder> using computers thats billion times more powerful than one found on 70s space program
[05:30:58] <jthornton> a smart phone is more powerful than the shuttle computers
[05:31:00] <XXCoder> my $10 nextthing chip is still many many times more powerful than those.
[05:31:18] <XXCoder> jt to be fair smart phones is more powerful than some percentage of laptops now
[05:31:31] <glloq> I am looking for coversion software in g-code from image or stl file is somebody here can help me ?
[05:31:47] <XXCoder> you mean stl to gcode?
[05:32:54] <jthornton> 26F here
[05:33:29] <XXCoder> 26f here also
[05:33:42] <XXCoder> room is 57f. warmer than yeserdayu
[05:34:08] <jthornton> I got the new shop up to 65F yesterday with the wonderwood heater
[05:34:25] <XXCoder> warmer than my room which is in a house not barn.
[05:35:18] <jthornton> the new shop is sealed up tight and has 8" of itch on the walls and 2" on the roof
[05:35:38] <XXCoder> no isulation here, 2/3 of wall height is fountain
[05:35:49] <XXCoder> cant spell that word
[05:36:01] <jthornton> foundation
[05:36:16] <XXCoder> yea. but whats worse is power panel behind me
[05:36:24] <XXCoder> I can feel it spraying air to my back
[05:36:32] <XXCoder> though leather coat
[05:36:36] <jthornton> spray it back
[05:36:47] <XXCoder> lol
[05:49:51] <sync_> put some insulation over it
[05:49:57] <sync_> I would refuse to live in a room that is that cold
[05:50:35] <XXCoder> I dont want to block power panel access
[05:52:50] <Wolf_> make a “door” from some 1 -1.5” foam board insulation
[05:53:00] <Wolf_> to cover the panel
[05:53:43] <XXCoder> may consider that though must avoid any perment change
[05:54:14] <Wolf_> use 3m command strip hooks and rubber bands then
[05:54:26] <XXCoder> possibly.
[05:57:49] <sync_> I don't think that there is any code that actually prevents you from putting anything that is able to be opened infront of a panel
[05:58:00] <archivist> Wolf_, I dont have that one
[05:58:12] <sync_> I mean, seriously 14°C is no good at all, not even for the house
[05:58:34] <XXCoder> sync_: house is fine
[05:58:34] <sync_> as you are putting the dewpoint temperature into the wall
[05:58:40] <XXCoder> its my room thats less than fine'
[05:59:02] <Wolf_> archivist: well, I guess I’ll find out soon, got one off ebay yesterday, should be here by the weekend
[05:59:12] <sync_> your house is not fine, you make the walls wet
[05:59:22] <XXCoder> wet walls? here its super dry
[05:59:28] <XXCoder> less than 20% humdity
[05:59:35] <sync_> measure moisture content in the wall
[06:00:06] <sync_> room humidity doesn't directly relate to the moisture content of the wall
[06:00:15] <XXCoder> oh its fountation
[06:00:25] <XXCoder> concerete walls
[06:00:34] <sync_> that doesn't matter
[06:01:46] <Wolf_> archivist: http://www.ebay.com/itm/122296183989?ul_noapp=true
[06:02:14] <archivist> Wolf_, I think we are becoming probe collectors :)
[06:02:31] <XXCoder> heh does my 3d printer induction probe count?
[06:02:51] <Wolf_> haha yeah, I put in a offer at $75, ended up getting it for $109
[06:03:23] <XXCoder> I plan to evenually 3d print a probe for my cnc router
[06:03:36] <XXCoder> limited height means probe has to be quite short
[06:04:09] <Wolf_> big plus is that probe is on a 0.75” shank so I won’t have to mess with anything to use it with the TTS stuff
[06:04:19] <archivist> Wolf_, not too bad, you can use a stylus as your calibration sphere on the table
[06:05:16] <Wolf_> yup
[06:10:44] <sync_> I need to get me one of those renishaw qc20 ballbars or something similar
[06:11:39] <archivist> ball bars have so far been silly prices
[06:47:35] <Guest82409> ho
[06:49:29] <XXCoder> 5 whole secpnds wow
[06:49:32] <XXCoder> we are so slow
[06:50:41] <Wolf_> yup
[09:00:23] <IchGucksLive> hi all clear sunny sky in germany
[09:00:47] <Wolf_> morning
[09:00:57] <Wolf_> waiting on snow here
[09:01:06] <IchGucksLive> MrCurious: image2gcode is part of linuxcnc
[09:01:20] <IchGucksLive> MrCurious: you do not need to instal somthing
[09:05:30] <IchGucksLive> till later
[12:33:16] <IchGucksLive> hi
[13:22:36] <IchGucksLive> Deejay: werde ich tun
[13:35:22] <IchGucksLive> Gn8
[14:37:36] <MacGalempsy> any thoughts on a Logan 9B-17-61 ?
[14:37:54] <MacGalempsy> a guy is asking 900
[14:40:04] <JT-Shop> MacGalempsy: you still looking for that link?
[14:40:40] <MacGalempsy> no. there is a guy on CL that im trying to work out a trade with, so just wondering if 900 seems high or not
[14:41:17] <MacGalempsy> i offered him a couple of guns, which dont quite add up to 900. so im looking for wiggle room
[14:41:48] <_methods> any attachments?
[14:42:05] <_methods> i picked up mine for $500
[14:42:20] <MacGalempsy> from what it appears is only the tailstock
[14:42:21] <_methods> i think anywhere from $500-1200 would be a typical price
[14:42:39] <_methods> well with no attachments i'd be lookin for $500
[14:42:44] <MacGalempsy> and a chuck
[14:43:05] <_methods> mine came with taper, 4 and 3 jaw, tailstock and milling attachment for $500
[14:43:32] <_methods> so $900 is a bit high but not unheard of
[14:45:24] <MacGalempsy> that sounds like a good deal.
[14:45:37] <_methods> yeah i think it was a good deal
[14:45:43] <_methods> not the best i've heard of
[14:45:54] <_methods> but i took it
[14:48:04] <sync_> oh that is quite a small lathe
[14:48:17] <_methods> ended up pickin up the toolpost grinder for it at auction for $25 a couple months later
[14:48:18] <sync_> not sure if I'd pay 900 for that
[14:48:38] <MacGalempsy> yeah. the part im looking at it for is only 1' long
[14:48:44] <MacGalempsy> 1" diameter
[14:50:36] <_methods> well you won't be doing any hoggin on it for sure
[14:50:55] <_methods> but they're still way better lathes than anything you could get for the same price range out of china
[14:51:26] <MacGalempsy> well see. I offered up a 17hmr and a lower end 9mm
[14:52:23] <_methods> probably not a bad trade then
[14:53:08] <MacGalempsy> plus its about a 2hr drive each way, so im thinking its about an even trade
[14:54:48] <jdh> I'd like a 17hmr
[14:56:05] <MacGalempsy> did you guys say you needed a gantry mill? http://www.thebranfordgroup.com/DNN3/Default.aspx?TabID=165&AuctionCatalogObjectID=478912
[14:57:41] <MacGalempsy> sorry the table is only 26'
[14:58:06] <MacGalempsy> on the x and 30' on the y
[15:46:54] <ToddZ> The x is 26000mm about 85ft. (crap about 2ft too short.)
[16:03:38] <sync_> that thing would be a huge pain to remove and reinstall
[16:04:16] <sync_> although at that size the lower ways might be one piece
[16:33:02] <Deejay> gn8
[16:36:41] <roycroft> http://www.ebay.com/itm/YASKAWA-MOTOMAN-ROBOT-ARM-YR-SV3-J00-kjs-/311541963383?hash=item4889591a77:g:d8IAAOSwX~dWtQNf
[16:36:46] <roycroft> can linuxcnc tell that to do the dishes?
[16:40:25] <sync_> probably
[16:40:29] <sync_> quite expensive tho
[17:03:36] <roycroft> most of the robotic arms similar to that that i see are roughly that price or more
[17:04:06] <roycroft> but i don't pay too much attention to them, as i have no immediate application for one (or more)
[17:04:50] <MacGalempsy> loolks heavy
[17:05:55] <sync_> well you can usually get them for scrap value without the control
[17:21:42] <fritzgutten> Hey, this line is in a spindle example, but throws an error: addf spindle-at-speed servo-thread\
[17:21:56] <fritzgutten> any thoughts....sorry, no backslash on that.
[17:22:23] <JT-Shop-2> spindle-at-speed is a signal
[17:22:33] <JT-Shop-2> you only addf component functions
[17:22:46] <JT-Shop-2> where is the example
[17:23:01] <fritzgutten> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.4/html/examples_spindle.html
[17:23:13] <fritzgutten> section 1.5
[17:23:55] <fritzgutten> i thoughts....well, not what you said, but that something was offf... thanks
[17:23:59] <JT-Shop2> are you using 2.4?
[17:24:21] <fritzgutten> 2.7.8
[17:24:31] <JT-Shop2> use the 2.7 docs
[17:24:50] <JT-Shop2> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/
[17:24:55] <fritzgutten> ok. thank you
[17:25:46] <fritzgutten> just trying to get spindle-at-speed to function. and understand on the way :)
[17:26:08] <JT-Shop2> very good, that is why I pointed you to the correct documents
[17:26:29] <JT-Shop2> one line at a time is how we learned
[17:26:54] * JT-Shop2 puts his electrician hat back on
[17:27:06] <fritzgutten> things are improving, very nice to have some pointers
[17:27:07] <fritzgutten> hehe
[17:28:32] <JT-Shop2> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/hal/basic-hal.html
[17:28:39] <JT-Shop2> read that a few times it helps
[17:29:58] <fritzgutten> it has helped, there are certainly areas where syntax could help out in the hal file, but with time, i'm picking it up.
[18:01:22] <enleth> fun fact: axis et al appears to work absolutely perfectly with X forwarding
[18:02:45] <fritzgutten> do they do something like that with the beaglebone/machinekit setup?
[18:03:39] <zeeshan> hi friends
[18:04:56] <JT-Shop2> hi zeeshan
[18:05:17] <BeachBumPete> hi
[18:05:19] <enleth> fritzgutten: no idea, haven't seen machinekit
[18:05:41] <fritzgutten> still cool.
[18:07:04] <zeeshan> :)
[18:07:53] <JT-Shop2> got a dusting of snow, I bet Pete is missing that...
[18:08:09] <BeachBumPete> heh sorry no
[18:08:20] <JT-Shop2> lol
[18:10:05] <zeeshan> how do i find out what type of hydralic fluid
[18:10:11] <zeeshan> my hydraulic system uses on the cnc
[18:10:18] <zeeshan> i dont see any damn specs on the hydraulic power pack
[18:10:48] <skunkworks_> zeeshan, buy a manual?
[18:11:04] <skunkworks_> ;)
[18:11:10] <zeeshan> skunkworks_: gimme 1000$?
[18:11:14] <zeeshan> ;)
[18:11:15] <zeeshan> :D
[18:11:24] <zeeshan> actually i texted my friend right now
[18:11:37] <zeeshan> hes working at a nakamura main distributor in canada
[18:11:56] <BeachBumPete> in no way shape or form should a manual for a machine or anything cost that much. Ridiculous
[18:12:07] <zeeshan> BeachBumPete: no way man
[18:12:13] <zeeshan> im quoting something at work
[18:12:19] <zeeshan> ts basically a massive forged ring
[18:12:21] <zeeshan> guess how much?
[18:12:35] <zeeshan> i think 4' diameter
[18:12:41] <zeeshan> 5" wide
[18:12:43] <BeachBumPete> what does that have to do with what I said?
[18:12:45] <zeeshan> 1" thick
[18:12:47] <pfred1> zeeshan does it come wth a manual?
[18:13:02] <zeeshan> BeachBumPete: i read incorrect :{
[18:13:14] <zeeshan> manuals are free to our customers
[18:13:26] <BeachBumPete> as well they should be
[18:13:30] <zeeshan> well i'll know that we won't be procuring any nakamuras
[18:13:35] <zeeshan> or matsuuras
[18:13:47] <zeeshan> if that's the kind of a support they provide
[18:14:01] <zeeshan> nachi the hyd pump manufacturer
[18:14:06] <zeeshan> sent me all their rebuild manuals within 1 day
[18:14:21] <zeeshan> for that they got me to pay for the overpriced o-rings
[18:14:22] <zeeshan> :)
[18:14:32] <zeeshan> i'll gladly do that for good customer service
[18:24:24] <enleth> jeez
[18:24:34] <enleth> is there any reason for classicladder to limit symbol name length?
[18:25:02] <enleth> it trims symbol names to 9 characters
[18:25:02] <pfred1> brevity?
[18:25:34] <enleth> well, then let the machine integrator be concise if he so wishes
[18:25:46] <enleth> if there's no well grounded technical reason to do that, it's dumb
[18:26:20] <enleth> I consider a name like "bp-jog-x-pos" to be concise enough
[18:26:26] <enleth> yet it's too long for cl
[18:28:04] <zeeshan> good to know
[18:28:51] <pfred1> classicladder is hyphen challenged
[18:33:46] <MacGalempsy> zeeshan: do you have a sample of the oil you are trying to figure out?
[18:33:51] <zeeshan> yes
[18:34:06] <zeeshan> youre thinking i send it to an oil analysis place?
[18:34:16] <MacGalempsy> yeah
[18:34:22] <MacGalempsy> usually less than $50
[18:34:38] <zeeshan> I'm really trying my friend to get me the manuals
[18:34:42] <zeeshan> i actually need replacement gaskets
[18:34:44] <zeeshan> and various parts
[18:34:57] <MacGalempsy> this is for your lathe retrofit?
[18:35:00] <zeeshan> yea
[18:35:04] <zeeshan> its more lathe rebuild + retrofit
[18:35:10] <zeeshan> ive decided to take it all apart
[18:35:11] <MacGalempsy> ahh. have you talked to the place you bought it?
[18:35:11] <zeeshan> i want to learn
[18:35:19] <zeeshan> yea, they were useless
[18:35:30] <MacGalempsy> heh. they didnt keep the manual around huh?
[18:35:33] <zeeshan> nope
[18:35:50] <MacGalempsy> maybe go by there with a pizza and grease the wheels a little
[18:36:39] <MacGalempsy> the last manual I bought was $100 and the machine only cost me $600
[18:37:06] <pfred1> this is the Information Age
[18:37:11] <MacGalempsy> those damn EDM settings charts are pricy
[18:38:54] * JT-Shop2 heads inside to check the chicken dumplings
[18:41:11] <MacGalempsy> however, the time saved with the right manual is usually worth the money. we have been spoiled by the PDF, thinking that they dont cost anything
[18:44:29] <pfred1> timely precise information is the most valuable commodity there is today
[18:45:32] <Cromaglious_> raspberry pi 3 is more powerful than my phone
[18:45:36] <pfred1> we spend our entire ilves in an endless quest to find answers. So being able to buy them is priceless
[19:42:28] <MacGalempsy> what is grey-coded feedback?
[19:43:13] <MacGalempsy> a sensor at each tool position and a separate index.
[19:43:19] <Tom_L> MacGalempsy!! put the plug back in the interweb!\
[19:44:07] <MacGalempsy> im just as clueless about your comment as linuxcnc...
[19:44:20] <pfred1> what comment?
[19:44:35] <Tom_L> netsplit
[19:44:40] <pfred1> ah yes
[19:44:44] <Tom_L> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gray_code
[19:44:46] <MacGalempsy> heh
[19:45:15] <MacGalempsy> lots of netsplts lately
[19:46:00] <pfred1> this network isn't what it once was
[19:47:29] <MacGalempsy> Tom_L: do you know how to go about assigning a particular axis position to a HAL variable, like with a rotary axis?
[19:47:47] <MacGalempsy> like position 1 is 5 deg after the index marker
[19:54:58] <Tom_L> not for sure no
[19:55:25] <Tom_L> tool changer?
[19:56:44] <MacGalempsy> yes. so its back to the manual to understand the process and limitations
[19:57:03] <Tom_L> have you looked at andy's toolchange comp?
[19:57:57] <MacGalempsy> yeah, he mentioned in the thread, but it doesnt seem to deal with an encoder on the turret, rather with sensors at each tool pocket
[19:58:00] <Tom_L> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/man/man9/carousel.9.html
[19:59:44] <MacGalempsy> I believe JT's turret sim does, but my current level of understanding is not high enough to fully embrace which direction to go in
[20:19:52] <fritzgutten> hey, this is oversimplified, but i dont want to type forever. what relevence does pwmgen.0.scale have once a PID loop is used?
[20:20:32] <fritzgutten> is it a starting place for the output befor the PID runs its calculations?
[20:26:25] <BeachBumPete> http://www.homedepot.com/p/Husky-High-Flow-Aluminum-Female-Quick-Coupler-and-Plug-Set-036-0138H/205184364 Anyone have these?
[20:27:59] <pfred1> I just use the plain flow Milton chucks
[20:28:27] <BeachBumPete> OK
[20:28:56] <MacGalempsy> how much higher is the flow?
[20:29:07] <BeachBumPete> no idea
[20:29:29] <BeachBumPete> all I know is my air line on the VMC is pissing air away and I am getting real tired of hearing my compressor run all the time...
[20:29:35] <zeeshan> yummy made in china special :D
[20:30:07] <MacGalempsy> at double the cost of standard connectors. sounds like a deal!
[20:30:12] <pfred1> then you need a bigger air compressor
[20:30:12] <zeeshan> haha
[20:30:36] <MacGalempsy> when you are rich like BeachBumPete, you already have a huge compressor
[20:30:49] <BeachBumPete> no there is nothing wrong with my compressor any compressor that has a leaky line will run a lot
[20:30:54] <pfred1> there are some truly epic air compressors out there
[20:31:07] <MacGalempsy> btw BeachBumPete how was the fishing trip?
[20:31:11] <BeachBumPete> MacGalempsy what you been smokin' man?
[20:31:16] <Tom_L> get a screw compressor
[20:31:23] <pfred1> sulliscrew!
[20:31:23] <zeeshan> get a new machine
[20:31:24] <BeachBumPete> screw that ;)
[20:31:25] <Tom_L> tankless on demand air
[20:31:27] <zeeshan> problem solved!
[20:31:45] <zeeshan> it's crazy how big the air compressors are for plants
[20:31:46] <pfred1> yeah you need like a 250 CFM trailer
[20:31:50] <BeachBumPete> I think a couple new couplers is cheaper no?
[20:32:06] <Tom_L> how's that gonna make the compressor run less?
[20:32:21] <BeachBumPete> no leaks?
[20:32:26] <gregcnc> the couplers are leaking?
[20:32:32] <Tom_L> why not standard couplers?
[20:32:42] <BeachBumPete> yeah mine are a piece of shit couplers from the auto parts store
[20:32:47] <pfred1> I have quick disconnects on my gas torch
[20:32:50] <pfred1> they don't leak
[20:32:59] <pfred1> they're also like $30 a piece
[20:33:13] <BeachBumPete> the couplers they use for high pressure air are sweet but they do not flow the same
[20:33:45] <pfred1> my torch quick disconnects are long barbs
[20:33:47] <BeachBumPete> Just want to fix this little problem and saw those on HD website
[20:34:57] <Tom_L> i usually go to my local hose supply place for stuff like that
[20:35:17] <BeachBumPete> yeah well its almost 10PM LOL
[20:35:21] <pfred1> I've gotten crap at supply houses
[20:35:35] <Tom_L> the odds are in your favor though
[20:35:39] <zeeshan> 99% of the time its an o-ring worn out
[20:35:39] <pfred1> true
[20:35:56] <zeeshan> and 99% its an o-ring you dont have :{
[20:36:16] <Tom_L> i've used the couplers so much on spray guns and sanders it actually wore out the couplers
[20:36:19] <BeachBumPete> actually the damn thing has a spring poking out AND the funky Oring is leaking
[20:36:35] <pfred1> oh I've been through piles of air chucks
[20:36:35] <gregcnc> zeeshan i was just looking at that they don't seem to use o-rings
[20:36:38] <BeachBumPete> I got several years of use out of this one tho.
[20:36:50] <zeeshan> which ones
[20:36:51] <zeeshan> the husky?
[20:36:55] <Tom_L> BeachBumPete, if they're anodized that tells me they're aluminum which also tells me they won't wear as well
[20:37:08] <Tom_L> fwiw
[20:37:10] <pfred1> yeah brass is good
[20:37:12] <zeeshan> but you'll get more speed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[20:37:23] <BeachBumPete> that is not necessarily true
[20:37:35] <zeeshan> what isn't
[20:37:40] <BeachBumPete> but generally you are correct tom
[20:38:06] <Tom_L> even says they're aluminum
[20:38:08] <pfred1> I have rebuilt air chucks too
[20:38:22] <BeachBumPete> I am not saying they are not
[20:38:53] <pfred1> do you really need a quick disconnect?
[20:39:08] <Tom_L> probably not
[20:39:11] <Tom_L> but it's handy
[20:39:29] <pfred1> Tom_L that's how I justified my torch disconnects
[20:39:34] <BeachBumPete> actually its funny you ask that
[20:39:48] <BeachBumPete> It DID have a hose barb to threaded end
[20:39:58] <BeachBumPete> and the blow gun was just threaded on
[20:40:04] <gregcnc> I was planning on adding manifold and two plastic lines with push connect fitting to my machines
[20:40:17] <zeeshan> gregcnc: thats what ihave :D
[20:40:24] <zeeshan> if you saw the mist collector purge tank video
[20:40:24] <Tom_L> oh it's for your air hose to the machine?
[20:40:29] <BeachBumPete> but I don't have the lines going around the shop like I used to so I put the QD on it so I can slap a tool in there when I need it
[20:40:38] <pfred1> in a pinch everyone uses the male couplers as hose barbs
[20:40:46] <zeeshan> haha
[20:40:47] <BeachBumPete> LOL I DID that
[20:40:53] <pfred1> everyone does
[20:41:01] <zeeshan> i didnt
[20:41:03] <BeachBumPete> that is what is on the other end right now LOL
[20:41:05] <zeeshan> so much for everyone! :P
[20:41:30] <pfred1> zeeshan then you just haven't done that much air plumbing
[20:41:47] <zeeshan> i have no time for hacks
[20:41:48] <zeeshan> :P
[20:41:49] <Wolf_> I haven’t either...
[20:41:59] <pfred1> you get 10 male couplers in a box
[20:42:02] <zeeshan> you know why?
[20:42:10] <zeeshan> cause it'll become a perm fix
[20:42:15] <BeachBumPete> heh I had no time to waste running around buying the proper fitting I had parts to make
[20:42:17] <zeeshan> i've told myself, as much as i can do it, do a proper fix
[20:42:25] <Tom_L> i'd never do that i don't think
[20:42:42] <zeeshan> pfred1: statistic fail!
[20:42:43] <zeeshan> :P
[20:42:43] <Wolf_> I have a roll around tool box full of fittings...
[20:43:07] <BeachBumPete> I have tons of fittings but all the pneumo QDs are on tools and hoses...
[20:43:16] <pfred1> I got a couple drawers of fittings but I don't buy quantities of barb fittings
[20:43:17] <Wolf_> but.. I also use hydraulic line for most of my air runs between the reels and hard lines lol
[20:43:18] <BeachBumPete> most of which are in my roll around box at work
[20:43:47] <BeachBumPete> I am having to replace a lot of stuff so I can have one at work and one at shop
[20:44:21] <Tom_L> doing cabinet installs?
[20:44:22] <pfred1> cheap air chucks suck
[20:47:13] <jdh> expensive air chucks suck
[20:51:14] <zeeshan> ps. orange vises are fucking awesome!
[20:51:23] * zeeshan hopes the guys in the shop will use them to their potential
[20:51:26] <gregcnc> i was going to ask
[20:51:36] <zeeshan> one down thing is they dont come with a handle
[20:52:08] <gregcnc> were the beds ground? some people were saying they were just machined but that didn't sound right
[20:52:26] <zeeshan> it's definitely ground
[20:53:03] <zeeshan> one day ill own some
[20:53:09] <zeeshan> i've seen both kurt w/ equivalent features
[20:53:12] <zeeshan> and orange vise
[20:53:20] <zeeshan> orange vise doesn't have a made in china feel like the kurt does
[20:53:30] <zeeshan> i think kurt uses china castings
[20:53:40] <zeeshan> and they cost twice as much
[20:53:42] <gregcnc> really?
[20:53:49] <zeeshan> that's my feel on it
[20:53:51] <gregcnc> i doubt
[20:53:52] <zeeshan> visually comparing both
[20:54:13] <gregcnc> is orange cast?
[20:54:26] <zeeshan> orange uses durabar
[20:54:43] <gregcnc> yeha
[20:54:55] <gregcnc> so all surfaces are machined
[20:55:17] <gregcnc> while kurt uses actual castings
[20:55:23] <zeeshan> all the bed surfaces are ground
[20:56:08] <zeeshan> i'll have to double check the master jaws
[20:56:17] <zeeshan> i know the carve smart pieces that go on are machined
[20:56:25] <zeeshan> but the master jaws on the bottom surface i think are around
[20:56:29] <zeeshan> the top and side surfaces are machined
[20:56:49] <gregcnc> oh maybe that's what people were complaining about
[20:57:31] <zeeshan> are they the most precise vises you can buy?
[20:57:32] <zeeshan> nope
[20:57:43] <zeeshan> they're meant for work that is around 4 tenths range
[20:58:19] <zeeshan> the guys seemed excited about it
[20:58:23] <zeeshan> and impressed w/ the indexable jaws
[20:58:31] <zeeshan> and using the external jaws to hold a 20" piece
[20:58:43] <zeeshan> and being able to mount the vise on its side
[21:00:19] <pfred1> ain't nothing ever going to come off my mill 4 tenths that's for sure
[21:00:42] <zeeshan> yea we don't really do very tight tolerance stuff either
[21:00:48] <zeeshan> bearing holes
[21:00:49] <zeeshan> gibs
[21:01:01] <zeeshan> once in a while there will be something that's tricky
[21:01:51] <pfred1> I got a beat to death vise at a flea market that I fixed up good enough http://i.imgur.com/pwzbv.jpg
[21:02:00] <pfred1> $20
[21:02:32] <gregcnc> Kurt has changed a lot of their product line
[21:03:35] <pfred1> too rich for my blood
[21:06:21] <zeeshan> $20 for that?
[21:06:23] <zeeshan> thats an awesome deal
[21:07:01] <pfred1> zeeshan you shuold have seen it when i got it
[21:07:03] <MacGalempsy> i like that weld down the middle
[21:07:09] <zeeshan> hehe
[21:07:11] <MacGalempsy> did you do that, or is it oem?
[21:07:31] <pfred1> yeah it was cracked and stripped out so I broke it all the way and used a dremel cut off disc to cut better threads into the casting
[21:07:45] <pfred1> yeah i welded it back afterwards
[21:07:57] <pfred1> it holds good now
[21:08:01] <MacGalempsy> if it works, it works. nice work
[21:08:09] <pfred1> I was surprised I was able to get it to work
[21:08:27] <pfred1> it seemed liek a pretty iffy fix at the time
[21:08:55] <pfred1> but yeah it's OK now
[21:09:13] <pfred1> its a godo size for my machine
[21:09:36] <pfred1> some vises can be too big or little
[21:11:47] <jdh> that is true of most things
[21:11:53] <jdh> yes, even those.
[21:13:03] <pfred1> I never felt it was that vise that was holding me back doing stuff
[21:14:36] <Cromaglious_> pfred1, it is so shiny!
[21:14:53] <pfred1> Cromaglious_ yeah it is not quite that shiny now
[21:15:08] <pfred1> I took that pic when I first got done fixing it all up
[21:15:35] <Cromaglious_> pfred1, does it have the wedge to hold the moving jaw down against the body when tightening?
[21:15:42] <pfred1> so that was it after being freshly rebuilt
[21:16:09] <pfred1> Cromaglious_ there's bars under the moving jaw that are under a step on the body
[21:16:18] <pfred1> they're pretty long too
[21:16:33] <Cromaglious_> ah... so the jaw will lift...
[21:16:48] <pfred1> I measured it it doesn't really lift
[21:17:09] <pfred1> I do have an indicator
[21:18:22] <Cromaglious_> ChrisB257 on youtube rehabbed a Shars vice with the wedge, it's worth a watch
[21:18:53] <pfred1> yeah when I got done welding the jaw back together i had to remachine it, and the base
[21:19:15] <pfred1> so it would all go back together right again
[21:20:42] <Cromaglious_> looks good though
[21:21:05] <pfred1> yeah it is not the best but it serves my purposes
[21:21:21] <pfred1> now drill vises lift
[21:22:17] <pfred1> I got a piece of torsion bar i use as a rod to counter that a bit
[21:23:10] <Cromaglious_> I think I'm gonna mod my Irwin to use a wedge anti lift
[21:27:17] <g123> seen pcw_home
[21:27:55] <pfred1> !seen pcw_home
[21:27:55] <the_wench> last seen in 2017-01-05 15:16:46GMT 11:39:10 ago, saying Ping timeout: 252 seconds
[21:28:02] <pfred1> 21:58 < the_wench> last seen in 2017-01-05 15:16:46GMT 11:39:10 ago, saying Ping timeout: 252 seconds
[21:28:34] <pfred1> bangs usually trigger bots
[21:33:27] <g123> !seen pcw_mesa
[21:33:27] <the_wench> last seen in #linuxcnc 2017-01-03 03:31:55GMT 71:29:34 ago, saying joined chan
[21:33:57] <g123> !seen jt-shop
[21:33:57] <the_wench> last seen in #linuxcnc 2017-01-05 20:08:06GMT 06:53:53 ago, saying MacGalempsy: you still looking for that link?
[21:34:22] <g123> !seen jt_shop2
[21:34:23] <the_wench> Never heard of the entity jt_shop2 you ask for
[21:34:35] <g123> !seen jt-shop2
[21:34:35] <the_wench> last seen in #linuxcnc 2017-01-06 00:06:56GMT 02:55:41 ago, saying JT-Shop2 heads inside to check the chicken dumplings
[22:09:54] <g123> tom's irc logs are not accessable. Any ideas?
[22:48:48] <Tom_L> zlog
[22:48:54] <Tom_L> sure they are
[23:23:15] <MrCurious> anyone have Gcode to rotate 4th axis handy? curious to vet my 4th axis if working
[23:24:19] <MrCurious> A10
[23:26:04] <MrCurious> A1.27 is a complete rotation from A0… something tells me i need to tune steps per revolution
[23:48:13] <MrCurious> nice A0 and A360 now match
[23:51:58] <MrCurious> here is to hoping A0 - A260 SHOULD be 1 turn, and it's not in radians instead