#linuxcnc | Logs for 2016-12-25

[02:47:18] <Deejay> moin
[05:43:01] <jthornton> morning
[05:43:10] <XXCoder> yo
[05:43:34] <jthornton> been printing some 20mm hollow boxes at different temperatures
[05:44:10] <XXCoder> did you try calbrate to stright extrude from nozzle?
[05:45:01] <jthornton> I tried all different temps extruding 100mm 195c up seemed to come straight out
[05:45:50] <XXCoder> interesting. mine 210c still curls, 220c comes stright out
[05:45:58] <XXCoder> I guess sensor for temperate is little iffy
[05:46:30] <jthornton> I figure that the temp setting is just a guess
[05:46:48] <XXCoder> yeah and same company but different colors may need different temperate
[05:47:05] <XXCoder> white printed perfectly at 220c, while red it curled a little
[05:47:15] <XXCoder> meaning it was a little too hot
[05:47:27] <jthornton> I'd bet the big variation is in the sensor and the board
[05:47:33] <XXCoder> indeed
[05:48:12] <jthornton> I think I'm going to use the pin method to set Z0
[05:48:36] <XXCoder> pin method?
[05:48:41] <XXCoder> bt touch?
[05:49:40] <jthornton> home z then move up to the diameter of the dowel pin then adjust the bed so the dowel just goes under the nozzle
[05:49:53] <XXCoder> ahh cool
[05:50:03] <jthornton> one problem is the play in the z axis on mine
[05:50:16] <XXCoder> I have everything ready to make induction z sensor setup, but havent worked on it yet
[05:50:38] <XXCoder> heh mine I can just lift it up z assembly anytime. pros and cons
[05:51:31] <jthornton> I also want to make some hard stops to set both sides of Z to the same height
[05:52:07] <XXCoder> I guess you'd have to modify firmware to make it home one side a time
[05:52:26] <XXCoder> probably lower till one side hits, then try to fix till both hits same time
[05:52:34] <XXCoder> to less than .01mm error
[05:52:48] <Jymmm> ~~~ Merry Christmas ~~~
[05:52:48] <jthornton> no, I mean jog up to near the top and move by hand till your on the hard stops then home
[05:53:03] <XXCoder> merry xmas
[05:53:08] <jthornton> merry xmas
[05:53:23] <XXCoder> ahh
[05:53:33] <XXCoder> a way to tune by physical stops
[05:53:34] <jthornton> or just use LinuxCNC to print it already does gantry homing
[05:54:01] <jthornton> yea something repeatable
[05:54:21] <jthornton> I also modified the start and end G code in slic3r
[05:55:10] <jthornton> the bed heats up to 50c then the nozzle comes on while the bet goes the last 10c so they both arrive at temp at the same time
[05:55:43] <XXCoder> cool
[05:55:44] <jthornton> then I extrude 3mm and back 1mm then reset extruder to prime the nozzle
[05:56:04] <jthornton> well no, I home the axes then prime
[05:56:05] <XXCoder> I just wish 3d printers has relivity g code
[05:56:41] <XXCoder> so I can add to gcode to just move one inch to left for example, when current position is unknown (past end of slicer code)
[05:56:49] <jthornton> then end I move up 10mm from the part and move the nozzle to the left rear
[05:57:07] <jthornton> same as here G90 and G91
[05:57:42] <jthornton> my end code is G90 Z10 G91 on 3 lines of course
[05:58:03] <Jymmm> Boys Town (1938) 686MB - ./wget
[06:01:13] <XXCoder> nine has G4 2000; pause 2 seconds
[06:01:16] <XXCoder> *mine
[06:01:23] <XXCoder> but it dont seem to work. oh well
[06:01:32] <Jymmm> Tis sad when you have to turn to the interwebz cause you can't find your dvd copy of it =)
[06:01:33] <XXCoder> marlin 1.0 is too old
[06:02:00] <jthornton> I'm running a later version I think
[06:03:37] <XXCoder> likely
[08:00:30] <gregcnc> well dang, no brother speedio under the tree
[08:05:57] <Jymmm> Next year, you ned a 65ft tree silly
[08:06:22] <Jymmm> ...in your living room
[08:50:15] <tiwake> https://shirt.woot.com/offers/wanna-rub-my-butt?ref=w_cnt_gw_zlm_bs_3
[08:59:34] <jthornton> Tom_L: got the links code done
[10:05:10] <jthornton> opening a link in a new tab or window is up to the user anymore
[10:06:17] <Jymmm> Reighndeer Poo... <a href="url" target="_blank">title</a>
[10:06:44] <jthornton> nope don't work anymore, browsers don't honor it anymore
[10:12:57] <Jymmm> jthornton: The specs say otherwise... https://www.w3.org/TR/html5/links.html#following-hyperlinks-0
[10:15:39] <Tom_L> log
[10:15:39] <c-log> Tom_L: Today's Log http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:82/~tom-itx/irc/logs/%23linuxcnc/2016-12-25.html
[10:19:24] <CaptHindsight> don't people in the middle east know that it is Christmas time in the west?
[10:27:59] <jthornton> I guess the browsers don't give a whip about specs lol
[10:29:03] <Tom_L> can it at least go back to like it was?
[10:29:23] <jthornton> what is "like it was"?
[10:29:37] <Tom_L> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:82/~tom-itx/irc/logs/%23linuxcnc/2016-12-15.html
[10:29:40] <Tom_L> find a link in there
[10:29:57] <Tom_L> at least it's clickable
[10:30:21] <Tom_L> stays in the same window
[10:30:39] <jthornton> yes, the links are now enclosed in <a href="somelink.com">somelink.com</a>
[10:30:47] <jthornton> right click for options
[10:31:20] <Tom_L> yeah that works
[10:31:22] <Jymmm> Yeah, try to right-click on a smartphone
[10:31:33] <Jymmm> target atribute DOES work
[10:31:39] * Tom_L smacks Jymmm with a sack of coal
[10:32:07] <Tom_L> jthornton, did you get my note about the calendars?
[10:32:16] <jthornton> I never could get right click to work on my phone
[10:32:23] * Jymmm tosses it in the firebox and target="_blank" (that's an underscore) STILL WORKS
[10:32:31] <jthornton> haven't been out to the shop
[10:32:50] <Tom_L> <Tom_L> JT-Shop, spacing seems off on the calendar months
[10:32:51] <Tom_L> <Tom_L> vertical
[10:34:06] <jthornton> I fixed that in the css... I wonder if the github has the right css
[10:34:26] <jthornton> like months that only have 4 weeks of days?
[10:34:27] <Tom_L> lemme copy that over...
[10:34:30] <Tom_L> just a sec
[10:35:36] <Jymmm> jthornton: https://pste.eu/p/DTUR.html
[10:35:43] <Tom_L> would that require a index rebuild?
[10:36:29] <jthornton> not for a css change
[10:36:44] <Tom_L> same as before then
[10:37:03] <jthornton> Jymmm: what's your point?
[10:37:13] <Jymmm> jthornton: It works
[10:37:22] <jthornton> they both open in the same window!!
[10:37:34] <jthornton> it does not work everywhere!!!!!!
[10:37:43] <Jymmm> try a different browser, you might have something configured differently
[10:37:46] <Tom_L> it did here
[10:37:55] <Tom_L> yahoo opened a new tab
[10:41:48] * jthornton goes to start a fire
[10:41:51] <archivist> source is missing the target attribute jthornton: <a href="https://pste.eu/p/DTUR.html">https://pste.eu/p/DTUR.html</a>
[10:57:54] * zeeshan has been trying to start a fire with firesteel
[11:02:49] <jdh> try a lighter
[11:03:13] <zeeshan> lighters fail
[11:03:15] <zeeshan> and run out
[11:03:16] <zeeshan> :)
[11:04:08] <SpeedEvil> redundant array of independant lighters.
[11:18:05] <JT-Shop> log
[11:18:05] <c-log> JT-Shop: Today's Log http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:82/~tom-itx/irc/logs/%23linuxcnc/2016-12-25.html
[11:18:47] <JT-Shop> this is my url test www.gnipsel.com
[11:19:29] <JT-Shop> test http://gnipsel.com
[11:19:42] <Tom_L> The requested URL /~tom-itx/irc/logs/#linuxcnc/www.gnipsel.com was not found on this server.
[11:19:50] <Tom_L> if i just click
[11:20:17] <JT-Shop> hmm the url is formatted correctly
[11:20:28] <Tom_L> same if i right click
[11:20:30] <JT-Shop> can you get the latest py file
[11:20:35] <Tom_L> and open a new tab
[11:20:39] <Tom_L> i can
[11:20:59] <JT-Shop> the http works but the www points to a local page for some reason
[11:21:12] <Tom_L> how can i grab just one file?
[11:21:18] <Tom_L> instead of the zip
[11:21:18] <JT-Shop> <a href="www.gnipsel.com">www.gnipsel.com</a>
[11:21:46] <JT-Shop> https://github.com/jethornton/JT-Logger/blob/master/jt-logger.py
[11:22:04] <JT-Shop> or right click and save as
[11:22:47] <JT-Shop> zlog
[11:24:25] <JT-Shop> looks like the old logger does not add an anchor to a www.somename.com
[11:26:29] <Tom_L> maybe it needs the http:// added to it
[11:28:06] <JT-Shop> no, the urlvalidator is changing the url to <a class="attribute-value" href="view-source:http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:82/%7Etom-itx/irc/logs/%23linuxcnc/www.gnipsel.com">www.gnipsel.com</a>"&gt;</span><span>www.gnipsel.com</span><span>&lt;/<span class="end-tag">a</span>&gt;</span><span>
[11:29:07] <JT-Shop> or maybe something else is... a view source shows it correctly
[11:29:16] <Tom_L> <a href='http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/'>http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/</a>
[11:29:17] <Tom_L> that works
[11:29:21] <Tom_L> pulled from an old log
[11:29:48] <Tom_L> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:82/~tom-itx/irc/logs/%23linuxcnc/2016-01-01.html
[11:29:51] <JT-Shop> this is what I'm writing to the file <a href="http://gnipsel.com">http://gnipsel.com</a>
[11:30:27] <JT-Shop> however when I save the html page and open it up the above is what I get so I'm a bit confused what is screwing up the file
[11:30:27] <Tom_L> try a single quote?
[11:31:27] <JT-Shop> I can try that
[11:31:31] <Tom_L> i dunno
[11:34:25] <JT-Shop> no, it's me and urllib doing it lol I'm putting <a href="http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:82/%7Etom-itx/irc/logs/%23linuxcnc/www.gnipsel.com">www.gnipsel.com</a>
[11:34:59] <Tom_L> want me to post that whole line?
[11:35:02] <JT-Shop> that instead of href="www.gnipsel.com">www.gnipsel.com</a>
[11:35:21] <Tom_L> the beginning of my old logs start with href
[11:35:22] <JT-Shop> the terminal line? yes
[11:35:29] <Tom_L> <a href="#04:26:21" name="04:26:21" class="time">[04:26:21]</a> <span class="person" style="color:#%00x%00x%FFx">&lt;ReadError&gt;</span> Get:1 <a href='http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/'>http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/</a> wheezy/master-rt linuxcnc i386 1:2.8.0~pre1.1397.g0e089af [10.7 MB]
[11:35:52] <Tom_L> from the 1-1-16 log page
[11:37:09] <JT-Shop> I'll look at it in the am
[11:37:14] <Tom_L> k
[11:58:32] <JT-Shop> ok I have to treat the www.someplace. a bit different and add http:// in front of the www
[12:29:00] <Gaston|Home> I'm about to start my schematics drawings for a mill and a lathe, any idea what programs are good for schematics drawing?
[12:30:11] <tiwake> Gaston|Home: a pencil and paper?
[12:30:19] <tiwake> thats my favorite anyway
[12:30:37] <Gaston|Home> yeah, that's always an option
[12:30:47] <tiwake> maybe freecad for the actual part design
[12:30:58] <Gaston|Home> My pen-foo is not top tier though :P
[12:31:23] <tiwake> thats what a ruler is for
[12:31:34] <tiwake> a little 6" machinist ruler
[12:36:17] <pcw_home> I usually start with pencil/paper sketches and then schematic capture when I need a part/netlist
[12:37:21] <tiwake> yeah, starting with a sketch is really the base for all projects starting off
[12:38:07] <tiwake> all movies, artwork, concepts, car designs... everything starts with a sketch
[13:04:27] <miss0r> merry christmas to you all
[13:04:43] <zeeshan> merry christmas :)
[13:06:28] <miss0r> I thought I've had my fair share of stressfull christmases. But this year I went through it with a hysterical 1 year old with high feaver. The last part somewhat put this year on the list as the most stressfull one ever. Did I mention we were hosting? :)
[13:07:17] <tiwake> it could be worse
[13:08:03] <miss0r> it 'could' always be worse... I mean, if I had run out of ciggerets during this ordeal; murder would have insued
[13:08:31] <tiwake> my mom had her youngest on christmas eve
[13:08:45] <miss0r> tiwake: alright. that takes the cake
[13:08:50] <tiwake> little over 15 years ago now though
[13:09:16] <miss0r> we had our kid on the 16. dec. 8 days early :]
[13:09:21] <tiwake> but yeah, had to drive 2 hours through the mountains and lots of snow to get to the hospital
[13:09:27] <miss0r> the birthdate was actualy set for the 24.
[13:10:25] <miss0r> In that case I feel even more lucky to live in denmark. I can basically get to a hospital in 1 hour no matter where I am. and theres certainly no mountains to drive through.
[13:10:38] <BeachBumPete> Merry Christmas LinuxCNC :)
[13:10:49] <miss0r> to you too BeachBumPete
[13:11:01] <tiwake> BeachBumPete: how much coal did you get this year?
[13:11:09] <miss0r> heh
[13:11:11] <tiwake> enough to fire up your steam engine?
[13:11:41] <miss0r> I forgot about that. if you misbehave you get a peice of coal in your christmas sock, or sum'such?
[13:12:36] <tiwake> miss0r: actually my cousin is a rock hound... he would probably enjoy a hunk of coal laying around his house for the sake of having it
[13:12:41] <Jymmm> miss0r: Most would consider a lump of coal a Bad Thing™, but in here, it's like hey more fuel for the _______, awesome!!!
[13:13:38] <miss0r> tiwake: I'm guessing rock hound is slang for someone whom collects rocks? :S
[13:13:48] <tiwake> yeah
[13:13:54] <miss0r> Jymmm: indeed. I should realy build something that needs coal
[13:13:57] <tiwake> he went to college for geology
[13:14:48] <miss0r> tiwake: atleast it wasn't art.. mcdonalds can only have so many cashiers employeed
[13:14:53] <Jymmm> tiwake: He paid $80,000 to goto kollage, to get an edmukamation, when all he had to do is hit the Mojave desert =)
[13:15:44] <tiwake> Jymmm: *shrug* I cant talk bad about other people degree choices, as I dropped out of college once I was done with the difficult half of mechanical engineering
[13:16:15] <miss0r> zeeshan: I went ahead with the project of retrofitting the old CNC. I've ordered 3 of thoes converter cards, and am currently looking into what mesa cards I need to make it chooch
[13:16:29] <zeeshan> nice man
[13:16:32] <BeachBumPete> tiwake I got a BUNCH of coal man
[13:17:27] <BeachBumPete> my mother did give me some cash and I may be buying a nice new ocean reel and rod combo for offshore Kayak fishing from BassPro here down the road...
[13:17:29] <miss0r> zeeshan: I have put together a steel enclosure with a 17" touchscreen monitor in it, and am collecting parts. so I think i'll be done with it sometime in may..2019
[13:17:33] <tiwake> BeachBumPete: I don't want to get any coal until I make a steam engine or something
[13:17:41] <BeachBumPete> hehe
[13:17:47] <zeeshan> hey need a plan always right :)
[13:18:01] <BeachBumPete> I am sorry I missed your message the other day was busy with stuff
[13:18:36] <BeachBumPete> that and I cannot seem to get my icechat to give me audible alerts of messages and PMs etc.
[13:18:36] <miss0r> zeeshan: I forgot: did you do anything with your gear changer?
[13:20:13] <zeeshan> i just have it 1:1 right now
[13:20:15] <zeeshan> and use vfd to control speed
[13:20:36] <miss0r> how low can you go(TM)
[13:20:48] <zeeshan> 200 RPM w/ decent torque
[13:21:18] <miss0r> hmm. If our setup looks alike, I guess I wont be needing lower than that
[13:21:27] <zeeshan> not really
[13:21:32] <zeeshan> and you can always manually shift
[13:21:33] <zeeshan> if you do
[13:21:48] <miss0r> sure. whats your max rpm?
[13:21:53] <zeeshan> 3150RPM
[13:21:57] <zeeshan> i wish it was more :(
[13:22:05] <zeeshan> but thats what the spindle bearings are rated for
[13:22:07] <tiwake> 60,000RPM?
[13:22:24] <zeeshan> tiwake: that'd be nice for aluminum :)
[13:22:31] <tiwake> yeah
[13:22:38] <miss0r> I have a 4k rpm spindle. I am seriously considering adding a 1:4 speeder insert.
[13:22:42] <tiwake> and all things engraving
[13:22:42] <zeeshan> then i could feed at 720 IPM
[13:22:43] <zeeshan> :)
[13:22:48] <zeeshan> for al
[13:23:13] <zeeshan> i'm making it work for now
[13:23:27] <zeeshan> i might buy an additional machine when i move houses
[13:23:35] <zeeshan> i want to get a machine with 15k spindle
[13:23:35] <miss0r> easily. but more speed is always nice
[13:24:05] <miss0r> A friend of mine works on a 5-axis micron/mikron cnc mill. it has a 40k rpm spindle :)
[13:24:20] <zeeshan> jeez :D
[13:24:51] <miss0r> I can hardle look at it when it rapids in. It stops 10mm from the work peice and starts to feed in. I don't know the speed it rapids at, but it would make a HUGE sound if it hit
[13:25:12] <tiwake> yeah
[13:25:22] <tiwake> you don't run the first part at that speed
[13:25:39] <miss0r> I think somewhere in the 60m/min area
[13:26:46] <miss0r> well, they do. all the rapid movements are handeled by the mill. it also uses a camera to scan the stock, and measure the endmills. it is a crazy machine. They have two of them, with a robot in the middle handeling the pallets from a 200 peice workpeice magazine
[13:27:18] <miss0r> all the vises have a rfid chip in them of some sort, so all the measurements done on the part, is inside the database, when the unit is scanned...
[13:27:38] <miss0r> And here I am, quite happy, when a part turns out the first time'round :D
[13:28:03] <tiwake> yeah I don't want a CNC mill like that
[13:28:10] <tiwake> too bloody expensive
[13:28:36] <miss0r> they are only $600k
[13:28:57] <tiwake> and super special secret things make it difficult to actually troubleshoot when electronics start to go bad in them
[13:29:12] <tiwake> ugh
[13:29:20] <miss0r> tiwake: yeah. I guess that is why they replace them every two years, regardless of its condition
[13:29:35] <tiwake> nopenopenope
[13:30:25] <miss0r> most of my endmills are from there. They run 125mins, then they throw them out. My friend then sorts out the ones that have only run cobber or plastics. and brings them here. very very nice carbide endmills
[13:30:53] <tiwake> I wish I had that deal
[13:31:13] <miss0r> 99% of what thoes machines do are cobber electrodes for EDM. The shop makes plastic molds for hearing aids
[13:31:53] <tiwake> ah, so they get a lot of government money... that explains it
[13:32:46] <miss0r> I have not thought about that. I guess they do. but this is an international firm. as far as i'm told, theres a pretty big market for their highend hearing aids in japan, for some reason
[13:34:31] <miss0r> I also bought my small desktop mill from thoes guys. they had used it for ONE project some years back. when that project finished, it was stashed in a conor under some boxes. I got it for next to nothing, because money doesn't mean anything to these guys. :o
[13:37:24] <miss0r> heh. I had the figures all wrong about that mikron mill. I think this is the particular model they have http://www.techspex.com/machining-centers/gf-machining-solutions(2637)/3324
[13:40:42] <miss0r> family duty calls. have a good one people
[13:43:43] <pfred1> I did have the current on my stepper drives way off where it should be
[13:46:57] <Jymmm> pfred1: Like 20-25 time the motor current reating?
[13:47:01] <Jymmm> times*
[13:47:10] <pfred1> no but too high
[13:47:35] <pfred1> one was about twice as high it was bad
[13:47:36] <Jymmm> pfred1: Well 20x is about right actually
[13:47:37] <Tom_L> it was so you could warm your lunch on them
[13:47:58] <pfred1> yeah the one motor got pretty hot
[13:48:10] <pfred1> I knew something was going on there
[13:48:43] <pfred1> I disconnected a phase put an ammeter in there and stepped the motor to a high readin and set hte current there
[13:49:30] <Jymmm> pfred1: No no no, you're suppose to LICK IT!!!
[13:49:36] <pfred1> unfortunatley it still hasn't cleaned up my distortion though I don't think?
[13:49:50] <pfred1> I am running another test now
[13:50:00] <Duc_mobile> suprised to to see people on today
[13:50:10] <Jymmm> If you just LICK IT, that will solve all your problems!
[13:50:25] <pfred1> Jymmm it may come down to that yet
[13:50:38] <pfred1> I've tried just about everything else at this point
[13:51:25] <Jymmm> pfred1: What do you mean "distortion"?
[13:52:29] <pfred1> Jymmm I mean the machine is not running where it is supposed to
[13:53:07] <Jymmm> pfred1: "where"? You are on Earth. It's the third rock from the big ball of fire in the sky
[13:53:51] <pfred1> Jymmm today might not be the day for it
[14:10:16] <enleth> today's invention: mounting a broom on a telescopingg paint roller handle extension
[14:10:37] <enleth> much better suited for a tall user
[14:10:41] <Duc_mobile> enleth: have you tried the paint sticks that can hold paint in the handle?
[14:10:53] <enleth> no, I've seen those but never used them
[14:10:59] <Duc_mobile> they are awesome
[14:11:04] <pfred1> enleth a bit more handle height makes a huge difference
[14:11:10] <enleth> but this was just a broom extension
[14:11:20] <CaptHindsight> I think they paint machines with those in China, mops and brooms
[14:11:31] <enleth> now I can sweep half of the workshop without taking a single step
[14:11:55] <enleth> and reach under a table without crawling in there
[14:13:08] <CaptHindsight> my fever broke, another Festivus miracle!
[14:14:42] * Jymmm hides the invisable wireless haating pad
[14:15:55] <pink_vampire> happy holiday
[14:15:58] <pink_vampire> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05iV2lhUokg
[14:16:00] <CaptHindsight> haating or hateing pad?
[14:16:19] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Inverted cold pad
[14:16:43] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: where heat falls vs rises?
[14:17:03] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: It goes <--- THAT WAY --->
[14:17:21] <CaptHindsight> side shooter
[14:18:30] <Jymmm> Hmmm, I wonder if a SSD would work on a tablet (via usb)
[14:18:32] <CaptHindsight> http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history
[14:18:48] <CaptHindsight> block device
[14:19:22] <Jymmm> it doesn't like a usb hdd
[14:19:53] <Jymmm> pwr draw I suspect
[14:20:45] <Jymmm> If I could find a 4to1 sata adapter, I might have something
[14:20:54] <Jymmm> 4-to-1
[14:27:43] <Jymmm> Nice, the tablet played an MP4 from usb stick. Now to try an ISO =)
[14:48:58] * JT-Shop tosses some limb wood on the logwood and heads out to serve christmas dinner to some friends who aren't feeling very well
[15:52:37] <Gaston|Home> pcw_home and tiwake, thanks I'll have a look at kicad. Are there any examples done for mill or lathe that I can look at?
[15:53:15] <pfred1> I couldn't get kicad to build
[15:55:30] <tiwake> Gaston|Home: I don't think I've heard of kicad...
[15:55:53] <pfred1> kicad is an open source schematic capture program
[15:56:38] <pfred1> I've tried it in the past ans it ha always been horrid but the last tiem I tried to use it I couldn't even get it to build
[15:56:55] <Gaston|Home> pcw_home mentioned "schematic capture" and !google wiki schematic capture pretty much points to kicad
[15:58:14] <Gaston|Home> I've played with kicad a few years back. I'll see how it deals with simple schematics. Shouldn't take too long for me to see if it's good enough
[15:59:22] <Gaston|Home> maybe mesa already have schemtic symbols for their boards, who knows
[16:03:06] <pfred1> apparently my version of cmake is too old to compile kicad-4.0.2
[16:03:34] <pfred1> firgging devs with their too high version requirements
[16:30:07] <sync> pfred1 always bleeding edge
[16:36:17] <pfred1> sync the requirements just are ridiculous
[16:37:04] <sync> are they?
[16:37:14] <sync> it builds fine on all of my machines
[16:37:51] <pfred1> what distro?
[16:38:32] <sync> I have some running arch, some debian
[16:38:44] <pfred1> what version Debian?
[16:39:21] <pfred1> I ran Arch once I'll never get that 15 minutes back ever
[16:41:18] <pfred1> but I've heard they fixed the problem that I ran into when I ran it
[16:41:19] <Jymmm> sudo apt-get install kicad
[16:41:29] <Jymmm> ;done
[16:41:53] <pfred1> Jymmm yeah i i want to run version Version: 0.20120526+bzr3261-1
[16:42:10] <Jymmm> pfred1: sucks to be you =)
[16:42:17] <pfred1> not really
[16:42:26] <pfred1> I just run Eagle
[16:42:43] <Jymmm> Actually, you can, it's in oldstable
[16:42:51] <sync> whatever sid is pfred1
[16:42:58] <pfred1> yeah version 0.2
[16:43:02] <Jymmm> pfred1: https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/kicad
[16:43:08] <Jymmm> There ya go!
[16:43:35] <pfred1> I've run the old kicad and it crashed just trying to work through the tutorial
[16:43:58] <pfred1> so not so swift
[16:44:33] <Jymmm> tiwake: cnc a pumpkin? Do an eggplant too =)
[16:46:38] <tiwake> Jymmm: heh
[16:46:54] <sync> but yeah idk pfred1, I just hit make and it spits out a binary 15 mins later
[16:47:16] <pfred1> sync kicad doesn't use make
[16:47:38] <sync> yeah, cmake, yes but eh whatever
[16:49:09] <pfred1> sync now is just not a good time for me to upgrade my OS
[16:49:20] <pfred1> maybe when I buy a new PC?
[16:50:52] <sync> I just update daily, no reason to run old software
[16:52:56] <pfred1> sync actually there are valid reasons to run old software like stability
[16:53:54] <sync> I can always go back if something breaks
[16:54:12] <pfred1> yeah I'd rather not bother with that
[16:55:51] <Deejay> gn8
[16:59:17] <sync> I'd rather not bother with legacy software
[16:59:46] <sync> and so far I never had to go back
[16:59:51] <pfred1> sync I've liked the software I've ran for quite some tiem now
[17:00:08] <pfred1> heck I still run KDE 3
[17:00:18] <pfred1> because i don'
[17:00:22] <pfred1> because i don't like 4
[17:30:34] <CaptHindsight> I'm not so sure that I want a computer doing all these things...
[17:31:01] <CaptHindsight> they are getting smarted and Bill Gates says that AI is gonna take over
[17:31:09] <CaptHindsight> smarted/smarter
[17:33:42] <CaptHindsight> AI and automation doing my laundry is ok but I don't want them selling wrinkle cream, used cars and coffee in the morning
[19:34:33] <enleth> pfred1: FYI, there's KDE5 now
[19:34:52] <enleth> and it's quite a bit better than 4 was
[19:34:59] <pfred1> enleth I never seen it
[19:35:06] <pfred1> I like 3
[19:35:24] <enleth> I've been using KDE since 2.x
[19:35:34] <pfred1> I ran KDE 0.14
[19:35:37] <enleth> 4.x had serious quality problems
[19:35:48] <enleth> but 5.x is OK-tier, I guess
[19:35:59] <pfred1> as bad as KDE 4 was it was a damn sight better than the first version I ran
[19:36:15] <pfred1> which pretty much just sat there and looked ugly
[19:36:53] <enleth> well, check out 5.x sometime
[19:37:12] <pfred1> I have user inertia
[19:37:45] <pfred1> once something works well enough for me I am loath to change it
[19:38:15] <pfred1> where's DJ? He still runs fvwm
[19:41:04] <pfred1> I probably would have stuck with WindowMaker myself but there was a hiatus in development with it for quite some time
[19:45:52] <XXCoder> Nice Nog! https://imgur.com/yyg6MJV
[19:48:42] <pfred1> I need another new picture of my machine
[20:00:08] * zeeshan has been trying to start a fire with fireste0el+
[20:00:08] <zeeshan> -+
[20:00:27] <XXCoder> firesteel
[20:01:43] <XXCoder> one of better smbc jokes. http://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/i39m-going-to-kill-you
[20:01:49] <XXCoder> when done reading click red button
[20:04:07] <Tom_L> zeeshan that's been like 5 hrs and you still don't have a fire?
[20:04:27] <Tom_L> remind me not to go on a survival trip with you..
[20:04:48] <pfred1> heh
[20:43:03] <tjtr33> Merry Christmas to all at Linuxcnc.
[20:49:29] <zeeshan> anyone take apart a hydraulic pump before
[20:49:48] <Tom_L> what sort of pump?
[20:49:56] <zeeshan> piston pump
[20:50:00] <zeeshan> axial piston pump
[20:50:07] <zeeshan> same as a/c compressor for a car
[20:50:07] <Tom_L> not that i can recall
[20:50:16] <zeeshan> im having a hard time removing the pump from the motor
[20:51:19] <zeeshan> weird about me writing up top
[20:51:24] <zeeshan> lol nm
[20:51:28] <zeeshan> wife was cleaning keyboard
[20:51:53] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/2ikNz8v.jpg
[20:51:58] <zeeshan> see!
[20:52:04] <zeeshan> it should just seperate :P
[20:52:50] <Tom_L> that whole thing is the pump?
[20:53:45] <Tom_L> it's probably stuck on the shaft
[20:54:12] <Tom_L> don't screw up the motor getting it off
[20:54:58] * Tom_L wonders about zeeshan
[20:55:25] <zeeshan> it's a weird setup that i havent seen before
[20:55:35] <zeeshan> the hydraulic pump has a shaft that protrudes with a keyway
[20:55:44] <zeeshan> so it must mean the electric motor is a hollow shaft!
[20:55:53] <Tom_L> taking the gf shopping but the wife is cleaning
[20:56:26] <zeeshan> ??
[20:56:43] <Tom_L> the 24th you were taking gf to NY
[20:56:52] <Tom_L> just now the wife was cleaning the kbd
[20:57:00] * Tom_L is confused
[20:57:29] <zeeshan> going tommo
[20:57:34] <zeeshan> rescheduled
[20:58:34] <Tom_L> maybe there's a coupler between the two
[20:58:39] <Tom_L> that would be more likely
[20:58:42] <zeeshan> nah
[20:59:03] <zeeshan> i m pretty sure im being a pnasy
[20:59:06] <zeeshan> and not giving enough force
[20:59:25] <Tom_L> don't rip the comutator off the motor forcing things
[20:59:38] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/QBmItcd.png
[20:59:38] <zeeshan> see
[20:59:39] <zeeshan> !
[20:59:51] <zeeshan> actually now that i think about it
[20:59:57] <zeeshan> there might be a set screw pushing down on the keyway
[20:59:58] <zeeshan> er
[20:59:59] <zeeshan> key
[21:00:19] <Tom_L> there was a double setscrew on my sherline
[21:01:15] <Tom_L> you think it warrants rebuilding?
[21:01:44] <zeeshan> im going through everything in the machine
[21:02:09] <zeeshan> proper build!
[21:03:02] <CaptHindsight> tjtr33: Merry Christmas!!
[21:03:23] <tjtr33> happy hoho Capt!
[21:03:37] <Tom_L> is that screw on the end a pressure regulator?
[21:03:51] <Tom_L> by the black conduit
[21:05:13] <pink_vampire> hi
[21:07:55] <Wolf_> hello
[21:09:38] <tjtr33> zeeshan, useful? http://www.miniexcavator-hydraulic-pumps.com/nachi-repair-kit.html
[21:10:57] <tjtr33> wobble plate piston array goofy
[21:12:33] <zeeshan> i likely need seals
[21:12:34] <zeeshan> only
[21:12:51] <zeeshan> its like 80$ for the seal kit
[21:13:40] <zeeshan> will deal with it later :P
[21:15:42] <tjtr33> cyanora!
[23:30:37] <TurBoss> Hi