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[02:43:55] <Deejay> moin
[05:49:38] <jthornton> morning
[05:49:43] <XXCoder> yo
[05:50:00] <jthornton> what's up
[08:10:36] <tiwake> ponies
[08:18:48] <XXCoder> jthornton: not much just did xmas shopping
[08:18:55] <XXCoder> mostly just food for party
[08:28:53] <jthornton> I'm coming down with a cold I think yuck
[08:29:17] <XXCoder> thats personal gift from santa
[08:30:49] <jthornton> yea just another gift for xmas, paid property taxes, lost $350 of propane + $50 for a new fill valve and someone hit my business CC for 99.99 before they closed the account
[08:31:42] <XXCoder> wtf
[08:32:52] <tiwake> :-/
[08:33:29] <XXCoder> so you couldnt find a way to transfer prop?
[08:34:02] <jthornton> the propane?
[08:34:16] <XXCoder> yeah
[08:34:50] <jthornton> it was gone... I stopped the leak and I'm using up what's left so I can replace the valve
[08:35:24] <XXCoder> ahh thought you meant you sent tank in for replace valve and they took the prop
[08:35:32] <jthornton> xmas day 64F and raining
[08:35:43] <jthornton> no, it's my tank
[08:35:51] <XXCoder> my room is at 64f
[08:36:02] <jthornton> 41f this morning
[08:36:35] <XXCoder> 32f outside. and I feel that cold as power box leaks outside air in right to my back lol
[08:36:46] <XXCoder> ]thats why im wearing coat when im using computer in winters
[08:37:18] <jthornton> dang, can't use some spray foam to seal it up?
[08:38:08] <tiwake> XXCoder: https://www.lowes.com/pd/Dow-GREAT-STUFF-Gaps-and-Cracks-Insulating-Foam-Sealant-12-oz-Spray-Foam-Insulation/3012216?cm_mmc=SCE_PLA-_-LumberAndBuildingMaterials-_-Insulation-_-3012216:Dow&CAWELAID=&kpid=3012216&CAGPSPN=pla&store_code=271&k_clickID=d6847fba-47a0-4bac-b347-04bb142cd430
[08:38:26] <Tom_L> 27f
[08:38:48] <XXCoder> dont want to do unauthorized repairs but great idea yes
[08:38:49] <zeeshan> America
[08:38:52] <zeeshan> i go to you today
[08:38:54] <archivist> gap filling foam works really well
[08:38:57] <zeeshan> its been a decade
[08:38:59] <XXCoder> and I go away from you
[08:39:02] <zeeshan> hehe
[08:39:10] <zeeshan> i wonder how i'll be treated on the border
[08:39:13] <Tom_L> we will never be the same
[08:39:37] <zeeshan> i hope ya'll arent all racist :{
[08:39:38] <Tom_L> they all come to us eventually...
[08:39:41] <XXCoder> zeeshan: well theres fewer violations of private parts now, but not for long
[08:40:14] <XXCoder> I hear they actually use lube now
[08:40:23] <XXCoder> fancy. lucky you forgeiners
[08:40:39] <Tom_L> naw they just reuse the glove
[08:41:02] <XXCoder> oh my mistake
[08:41:07] <Tom_L> cost savings...
[08:41:28] <Gaston|Home> :)
[08:41:50] <Gaston|Home> Merry Christams to all of you guys and gals!
[08:42:05] <tiwake> jep, merry christmas eve
[08:42:14] <tiwake> well, morning of the eve
[08:43:03] <tiwake> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=AMD-Zen-Ryzen17h-Patches
[08:44:02] <XXCoder> merry xmas
[08:44:59] <Tom_L> zeeshan you goin to Arizona?
[08:46:41] <zeeshan> no
[08:46:45] <zeeshan> going to NY
[08:46:49] <zeeshan> just for the day
[08:47:04] <Tom_L> barely crossin the border
[08:47:07] <zeeshan> its signifcant for me cause i havent been in the states in literally a decade
[08:47:15] <Tom_L> gotta test the waters first ehh?
[08:47:30] <zeeshan> pretty much
[08:47:38] <zeeshan> this experience will determine if ill ever want go back or not
[08:47:49] <zeeshan> plus gf wants to shop
[08:48:01] <Tom_L> you picked the worst day for that
[08:48:11] <zeeshan> for shopping?
[08:48:17] <XXCoder> yeah
[08:48:19] <Tom_L> christmas eve?
[08:48:20] <zeeshan> why
[08:48:26] <zeeshan> everything is still open! :P
[08:48:28] <Tom_L> ^^ that's why
[08:48:35] <XXCoder> and billion late buyers
[08:48:36] <Tom_L> and in NY!!!
[08:48:41] <Tom_L> good luck dude
[08:48:50] <XXCoder> just remember
[08:48:55] <XXCoder> count your fingers and legs
[08:49:01] <Tom_L> don't make eye contact
[08:49:17] <zeeshan> whats better
[08:49:19] <zeeshan> for shopping
[08:49:23] <zeeshan> rochester or buffalo
[08:49:33] <tiwake> beer
[08:49:33] <the_wench> I am not your waitress!
[08:49:41] <XXCoder> sudobeer
[08:49:41] <the_wench> You want fries with that?
[08:49:45] <XXCoder> yes
[08:49:55] <Tom_L> zeeshan not from there so i can't tell you
[08:51:14] <tiwake> BeachBumPete: I hate you
[08:51:20] <tiwake> BeachBumPete: also, merry christmas
[09:18:49] <JT-Shop> zeeshan: don't compare the rest of the US to NY lol
[09:18:56] <XXCoder> yeah
[09:19:00] <XXCoder> new york is tame!
[09:19:02] <zeeshan> ny is a liberal state tho
[09:19:02] <zeeshan> :D
[09:19:13] <XXCoder> theres just 100 murders a day
[09:19:13] <zeeshan> the rest of the states should be worse! :P
[09:19:18] <tiwake> screw new york
[09:19:40] <Tom_L> we put it far away up there for a reason
[09:20:00] <XXCoder> JT-Shop: im printing "cute dragon" hope it goes well, my sis in law loves dragons
[09:20:04] <tiwake> texas should be the benchmark
[09:20:14] <XXCoder> to be fair I kinda do too lol (loved pern series)
[09:21:09] <Tom_L> zeeshan just for the day?
[09:21:24] <zeeshan> actually i just talked to my gf
[09:21:30] <zeeshan> looks like we arent going, you guys are right itll be nuts
[09:21:41] <Tom_L> :D
[09:21:45] <XXCoder> isnt plane ticket take some time anyway?
[09:22:53] <zeeshan> ya
[09:22:54] <Tom_L> wait and go to NYC on newyears eve... that'll be even better
[09:22:56] <zeeshan> itll be sometime in the new year
[09:23:11] <zeeshan> i originally wanted to go to vermont
[09:23:14] <zeeshan> cause of the mountains there
[09:23:18] <zeeshan> but its kinda far :P
[09:23:22] <zeeshan> for a short trip
[09:25:23] <XXCoder> oh yeah
[09:25:48] <XXCoder> JT-Shop: apparently if you adjust temeprate so plastic just goes down (buit not drippy) it will result in better prints
[09:26:05] <XXCoder> in my recent prints it was true. I was printing at 210c, and 220c was better
[09:26:58] <XXCoder> if it curls up and goes to side its little too cool
[09:30:30] <JT-Shop> cool
[09:30:47] <JT-Shop> now that I have it aligned I need to try and print something
[09:32:25] <JT-Shop> Tom_L: I know what that regular expression was doing now, getting the urls from the msg string
[09:32:41] <Tom_L> ready to test?
[09:36:24] <JT-Shop> no, just have it all figured out so I still need to incorporate the code into the logger
[09:36:59] <Tom_L> woke up with the sniffles
[09:37:24] <Tom_L> someone stuck my head in a vise overnight
[09:38:24] <zeeshan> lol
[09:41:51] <enleth> OK, so here's a thing I can't figure out: I've got a signal coming from the machine that, when high, signifies a (one or more) handwheel being engaged for manual operation. Theres a handwheels-engaged net defined for it. What I need is to have motion somehow act in this manner when this signal is active: allow for the machine to be in the "power on" state (i.e. spindle or coolant should be enabled and
[09:41:57] <enleth> controllable from a GUI), track axis motion normally, but assume ferror is always zero as far as faulting goes when the axes are being moved by the handwheels
[09:45:41] <enleth> operator safety and ballscrew backfeed are not a concern in this case as the motors are externally cut off from the servo drives in this state and mechanical brakes are used to hold the ballscrews on the axes that are not being handled by the operator at the moment, so it's really only a matter of assuming ferror=const 0 if handwheels-engaged==1
[09:46:01] <enleth> or something to that effect if there's a more elegant way I haven't thought of
[10:01:18] <pcw_home> You can loop back the commanded axis positions to the feedback positions when in this state to avoid following errors
[10:01:19] <pcw_home> but you would have to got to a machine off state before re-engaging the servos
[10:04:12] <pcw_home> to avoid the machine off state you could move to LinuxCNCs commanded position before restoring servo mode and the loopback
[10:08:12] <XXCoder> JT-Shop: the modeler for cute dragon (easier to print version) really is good on modeling
[10:08:25] <XXCoder> included supports use very little plastic and very effective so far.
[10:25:18] <XXCoder> fanastic print so far
[10:44:39] <enleth> pcw_home: wait, do you mean simulating a commanded position input for motion, that is directly taken from the encoder position?
[10:45:07] <enleth> unless I misunderstand, that shouldn't cause any problems after engaging servos
[10:45:33] <enleth> motion would think it's just following all the time inbetween and it's already where it should be
[10:46:14] <pcw_home> no, feeding LinuxCNCs commanded position to linuxCNCs feedback position (ignoring the encoders)
[11:05:35] <XXCoder> JT-Shop: wow print is done and it looks great
[11:10:25] <enleth> pcw_home: and what do you think would happen if I did it the other way around, "commanding" the actual physical position?
[11:16:53] <pcw_home> motions position commands are outputs only
[11:24:52] <enleth> ok, so an actual motion command would have to be made just before decoupling commanded position from feedback to avoid having to un-power the machine or go back to the last commanded position, right?
[11:26:31] <enleth> no, wait, all of that that still doesn't make sense
[11:27:24] <pcw_home> you could do a move to commanded position in hal only before re-engaging the servos
[11:27:55] <enleth> pcw_home: but if I feed the commanded position back as actual position, as you're suggesting, won't the DRO in the GUI also show the axis as stationary?
[11:28:43] <pcw_home> yes thats a problem, not sure where the GUI gets its information
[11:29:20] <enleth> I guess I could pick the readings for a separate DRO from hostmot directly, but I'd still lose the DRO in Axis for example
[11:38:22] <BeachBumPete> tiwake Hey man sorry I missed it. Merry Christmas.... and uh why do you hate me LOL
[11:39:58] <MacGalempsy> :) good day
[11:40:59] <BeachBumPete> Good day to you as well Mac
[12:38:42] <BeachBumPete> Merry Christmas everyone. Have a great holiday. Heading out to see family now.
[12:39:03] <FloppyDisk525> Thanks BeachBum, Merry X-mas to you as well:-)
[12:56:23] <MacGalempsy> Pete Merry Christmas
[16:47:36] <Deejay> gn8
[17:16:45] <CaptHindsight> Santa last seen over Marseille, France http://www.noradsanta.org/
[17:19:03] <Jymmmm> CaptHindsight: Have they shot him down yet?
[17:19:57] <CaptHindsight> Jymmmm: something is fishy https://santatracker.google.com/intl/en/tracker.html
[17:20:11] <CaptHindsight> they have him over Slovakia
[17:20:56] <JT-Shop2> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bf9lUdRWFA
[17:22:10] <CaptHindsight> Jymmmm: one of my favorites
[17:22:22] <Jymmmm> CaptHindsight: Man, he's got some messed up routing... Spain in 1m, then up to Zurich in 2m
[17:22:25] <CaptHindsight> sorry meant JT-Shop2
[17:22:45] <CaptHindsight> Jymmmm: it's almost like they are just making this up
[17:24:04] <CaptHindsight> Jymmmm: maybe they do it so that the Russians don't shoot him down and ruin xmas
[17:24:19] <Jymmmm> CaptHindsight: haha
[17:27:03] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Since norad has been doing this for 60years, I think it's kinda tacky of google to do their own instead of just adapting/adopting Norads.
[17:28:37] <CaptHindsight> I agree
[17:30:42] <renesis> google stopped doing anything original like 10 years ago
[17:31:01] <renesis> man santas an asshole
[17:31:06] <renesis> skippin all sorts of shit
[17:32:47] <Jymmm> renesis: Don't worry, your lump of coal is on its way!
[17:34:45] <CaptHindsight> xmas came early for me this year, delivered pestilence
[17:35:47] <CaptHindsight> Happy Holidays
[17:35:53] <CaptHindsight> I'm back to bed
[17:37:27] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Say ho ho ho to Mrs CaptHindsight!
[18:21:14] <JT-Shop2> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEYJrBoxvOE
[18:38:51] <renesis> jymmm: i grew up in a jewish household with catholic grandparents
[18:39:12] <renesis> 8 days of gifts, go to grandmas, bit of underage drinking and then rip open the presents at midnight
[18:39:48] <renesis> so ya, fuck santa we didnt need his ass then, dont need his ass now
[18:40:49] <renesis> sure as fuck werent going to wait around for him
[18:42:52] <CaptHindsight> I'm sensing some hostility here :)
[18:44:32] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rd1Pyu9_rxo Hanukkah Song
[18:45:57] <gonzo_> merry xmas
[18:49:09] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StQJSjQjhlg Holiday Treat for All - Saturday Night Live
[18:51:17] <roycroft> happy festivus for the rest of us!
[18:53:36] <renesis> capthindsight: in pretty much like fuck religion in general
[18:54:14] <renesis> especially the ones based on north african fables that people keep blowing people up over
[18:55:11] <renesis> fuck easter too
[18:55:21] <renesis> groundhog day ftw
[18:56:40] <CaptHindsight> The Festivus https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dS7-jcsB_WQ
[18:58:18] <roycroft> the way i see it, if folks need an invisible sky guy to help them keep their moral compass pointing in the right direction, that's great
[18:58:52] <roycroft> when they start trying to convince me to listen to their nivisible sky guy, once i respectfully decline they need to shut up about it
[18:58:57] <roycroft> if they don't, then it's a problem
[18:59:32] <CaptHindsight> I wish it wasn't needed but we haven't gotten past it as a society/species yet
[19:00:21] <roycroft> so when do the feats of strength commence?
[19:00:46] <renesis> you think religion is needed?
[19:00:59] <roycroft> a lot of people seem to need it
[19:01:17] <renesis> religion is 95% common sense shit anyone living in communities learn, and 5% hate
[19:01:30] <renesis> nothing about the 95% that is useful is unique to religion
[19:01:33] <roycroft> a lot of people seem to need it
[19:02:05] <roycroft> as long as they don't push it on other people, i don't see a problem with it
[19:02:15] <renesis> eh, its pushed into legislation
[19:02:21] <roycroft> and as long as people who make the rules for society as a whole don't use it
[19:02:24] <CaptHindsight> most people are still too ignorant to handle life without it
[19:02:24] <roycroft> for making those rules
[19:02:28] <renesis> they do
[19:02:38] <roycroft> or can't be bothered to do so, capthindsight
[19:02:54] <roycroft> it's a lot easier to follow a plan than to develop your own plan
[19:02:55] <renesis> capthindsight: i dont believe that
[19:03:04] <renesis> the majority are born into it and taught it from birth
[19:03:16] <renesis> like all sorts of hateful ideas
[19:03:34] <CaptHindsight> renesis: yeah so they have nothing else
[19:03:44] <CaptHindsight> how will they be edified?
[19:03:53] <renesis> education, community
[19:04:13] <CaptHindsight> who is going to do that?
[19:04:14] <renesis> agnostics and atheists are more accepting people
[19:04:39] <renesis> governments and corporations, which have issues but have long superceded religion in their usefulness
[19:05:04] <renesis> all of these are pretend human constructs to help people in general live happier lives
[19:05:28] <renesis> religion is obsolete and used as an excuse for exploitation and outright murder
[19:05:44] <CaptHindsight> you don't have to explain it to me
[19:05:56] <CaptHindsight> how do you edify them?
[19:06:17] <renesis> i already said how
[19:06:28] <CaptHindsight> who is going to do that?
[19:06:43] <CaptHindsight> wave the magic wand?
[19:06:47] <renesis> agnostics and atheists raise their children fine, i dont see your point
[19:07:18] <renesis> modern religion wants to legislate rules to force their beliefs on others, thats not ok
[19:07:35] <renesis> none of the benefits of religion are unique to religion
[19:08:01] <CaptHindsight> spontaneous community education
[19:08:44] <roycroft> atheism is a relibion
[19:09:00] <renesis> debatable, agnosticism isnt
[19:09:02] <roycroft> and most atheists i know are pretty intolerant
[19:09:22] <renesis> well then they maybe got problems
[19:09:34] <roycroft> it's impossible to prove there is no god
[19:09:49] <roycroft> therefore, believing there is no god is an act of faith
[19:09:57] <roycroft> which turns it into a religion
[19:10:00] <renesis> shrug, i dont, i dont believe it matters
[19:10:05] <roycroft> that's my simple explanation of atheism
[19:10:23] <renesis> nor do i think a god needs to be omnipotent or good
[19:10:24] <roycroft> agnosticism is completely different
[19:11:06] <roycroft> but again, my bottom line is i don't have a problem with religion per se
[19:11:17] <roycroft> when people do bad things in the name of religion then i have a problem with it
[19:11:18] <CaptHindsight> dumb and ignorant is good for business and for those running things
[19:11:42] <renesis> and i dont agree with that and religion helps that
[19:11:44] <CaptHindsight> look how easy it is to take over a country
[19:12:18] * Jymmm tosses in some grog into renesis stocking
[19:12:35] <roycroft> manipulating people like corporatists manipulate religions is not about religion
[19:12:38] <roycroft> it's about manipulation
[19:12:45] <renesis> i keep my socks folded up in a drawer so that might not work out great
[19:12:53] <roycroft> it's an appeal to people's tribal tendencies
[19:12:57] <renesis> religion is about manipulation
[19:13:15] <renesis> its books about how to live life in a time where this was rare and knowledge was limited
[19:13:19] <Jymmm> renesis: and politics and marketingaren't?
[19:13:31] <renesis> the people who write the books control the way people live their lives
[19:13:39] <renesis> jymmm: they are
[19:13:51] <Jymmm> renesis: *shrug*
[19:13:57] <renesis> theyre just less obsolete
[19:14:11] <renesis> and dont promote illogical processing as much
[19:14:16] <renesis> they are less pretend
[19:14:59] <CaptHindsight> renesis: you're preaching to the choir, what's the plan to change things for the better?
[19:15:16] <renesis> power comes from the will of people, hopefully a majority of people or close to it, and isnt based the words of humans who claim to speak to an all knowing non-human power
[19:15:36] <roycroft> note that i asked when the feats of strength commence
[19:15:37] <renesis> capthindsight: to live and let things continue as they are
[19:15:42] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: We all dress in funny sweaters and give each other gifts. How's that for a NEW change?
[19:15:49] <roycroft> because i'm weary of the airing of the grievences already :)
[19:16:00] <renesis> people are less religious and more trusting of science now than before, that is the trend
[19:16:22] <renesis> i think being vocal about religion being pretend and often hurtful is important
[19:16:46] <renesis> and that none are authorative
[19:17:25] * Jymmm wraps renesis in some WHOLY cloth, and feeds him discs that look like styrafoam
[19:17:43] <renesis> triscuits are better than jesus, thanks
[19:17:53] <roycroft> there's an interesting hypothesis that's being explored that states that hyperpartisanship of our political system is a reasult of the decline of religion
[19:18:09] <Jymmm> renesis: Pork you! Jesus does an awesome job on the yard!
[19:18:13] <roycroft> the claim is that people are tribal by nature
[19:18:22] <renesis> of course they are
[19:18:37] <renesis> and being civilized is about moving beyond that
[19:19:05] <roycroft> and when their religious tribes started to decline they shifted some of that tribal energy into their political party affiliation
[19:19:11] <renesis> people are murderous and selfish by nature, because people are survivalists
[19:19:29] <renesis> because people are animals
[19:19:46] <roycroft> but the purpose of life is survival of the species, not the survival of the individual
[19:19:53] <roycroft> according to darwin
[19:20:25] <renesis> its not the survival of the species
[19:20:32] <renesis> its the survival of you an your own
[19:20:34] <roycroft> then you reject evolution
[19:20:35] <renesis> which is anarchism
[19:20:49] <CaptHindsight> one one hand millennial's are far less sexist and racist than my generation on the other hand they feel powerless to change anything
[19:20:53] <renesis> which is the only existing political ideology that isnt a pretend human construct
[19:20:58] <CaptHindsight> in the west
[19:21:10] <renesis> all forms of government are just organized anarchy
[19:21:17] <renesis> power retaining power
[19:21:19] <roycroft> they feel powerless to change anything as individuals, capthindsight
[19:21:39] <renesis> and millenials arent necessarily less sexist
[19:21:46] <roycroft> it has to trend on twitter before they can believe in it :)
[19:21:56] <renesis> thats a whole other issue
[19:22:09] <roycroft> as a whole they are much less racist and sexist than boomers or genx
[19:22:32] <renesis> im not a feminist, because i believe in equal rights for human and think gender roles are dumb
[19:23:19] <renesis> while i feel bad for feminists who believe the same thing, many of them are blatant sexists who dont seem to think very critically, so no way ill identify as such
[19:23:54] <roycroft> you seem to have a rather pessimistic outlook on life, renesis
[19:24:03] <renesis> i mean, on average millenials follow the general trend of being more accepting, more logical in a scientific sense
[19:24:13] <renesis> but thats definitely not the rule
[19:24:14] <roycroft> and while i can see how it's easy to adopt such an outlook, i personally would find it difficult to live that way
[19:24:35] <renesis> not really, i think things will get better if people work towards it
[19:24:42] <roycroft> so i have this optimistic streak that some find very annoying at times
[19:24:52] <CaptHindsight> lets say some pestilence or space rock crashes into the Earth and destroys 95% of humanity....
[19:24:56] <renesis> but i also accept that there are overshoot problems in idealogy that arent helping
[19:24:57] <roycroft> i don't think humans are inherently evil or selfish
[19:25:06] <roycroft> i don't see donald trump as a typical human
[19:25:17] <roycroft> he's a rare and unfortunate exception
[19:25:21] <renesis> i dont necedssarily believe in evil and i think selfish is only an aspect of it
[19:25:49] <roycroft> i'm not angry with people like him
[19:25:51] <roycroft> i pity them
[19:25:59] <renesis> working with others to improve the situation of you and yours is selfish, but mutually beneficial
[19:26:36] <renesis> as far as im concerned, that is the only dynamic that is really at play
[19:26:44] <roycroft> anyway
[19:26:46] <CaptHindsight> how long until it's back to business as usual with a ruling class trying to keep everyone in check?
[19:26:48] <roycroft> happy holidays to you and all!
[19:26:59] <roycroft> however you celebrate them
[19:27:08] <renesis> capthindsight: until resources become scarce
[19:27:14] <roycroft> if it means an extra day working in the shop and a nice dinner, then that's fine
[19:27:21] <renesis> and people have to decide between their family and others
[19:27:55] <roycroft> if it means putting on a suit, sitting in a big stuffy building, and praising invisible sky guy, that's fine too
[19:29:48] <roycroft> if it means parading around in public with a hideous sweater on, well that might hurt my eyes, and might not be so fine
[19:31:47] <roycroft> have any of you used these joysticks in a cnc control panel?
[19:31:50] <roycroft> http://www.ebay.com/itm/SUNS-PBM22-JS5H-P38-22mm-Joystick-5-Position-4-Direction-Metal-Momentary-4NO-/121175241157?hash=item1c369b71c5:g:bmQAAOxyfVtSMikb
[19:32:06] <roycroft> they look fairly durable
[19:32:34] <roycroft> a wee bit on the pricey side though
[19:33:25] <roycroft> they have 3 position ones as well, for use to jog the z axis on a milling machine
[19:36:49] <XXCoder> merry xmas all
[19:37:05] <roycroft> ho ho ho
[19:37:12] <XXCoder> where??
[19:38:04] <roycroft> in your momma's kitchen
[19:38:22] <XXCoder> my mom dont own anything
[19:42:52] <renesis> thats not that bad
[19:42:55] <roycroft> when i look at the $200 and $300 and $1250 joysticks, the $32 ones don't seem that expensive
[19:43:04] <renesis> roycroft: you can prob get an arcade stick cheaper
[19:43:22] <XXCoder> tyhere is $1250 joysticks? do it give blowjobs? :P
[19:43:25] <renesis> they use microswitches, should be reliable
[19:43:30] <roycroft> i have a 22mm chassis punch
[19:43:43] <roycroft> so i like components that are 22mm based
[19:43:50] <roycroft> the arcade ones are generally not
[19:44:57] <renesis> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Classic-Zippy-2-4-8-way-arcade-game-joystick-red-ball-top-USA-Seller-/112206652860
[19:45:24] <roycroft> yeah, that's a non-standard mount
[19:45:39] <roycroft> i really am trying to avoid stuff like that
[19:45:40] <renesis> dunno should work with that size punch, the little cover might slide away mounted vert
[19:45:48] <renesis> kk
[19:45:58] <roycroft> if my joystick fails in 4 years, i might have a hard time finding something that mounts the same way
[19:46:28] <XXCoder> buy 10
[19:46:33] <renesis> not if you use those, theyre crazy standard, the zippy and sanwa stuff
[19:47:17] <roycroft> i also like the rubber boot on the suns ones
[19:47:42] <renesis> and its only a few dollars more than the sanwa sticks
[19:47:45] <roycroft> i don't plan on having control panels in the swarf path, but shops can be harsh environments
[19:48:02] <renesis> the sanwa ones are like ~$27
[19:48:08] <roycroft> i'm not looking for the absolute cheapest way of doing things
[19:48:16] <roycroft> i'm looking for a good, cost effective way
[19:48:31] <renesis> oh, i just like how the ball top arcade sticks feel heh
[19:48:47] <renesis> and theyre pretty reliable for the price
[19:48:51] <XXCoder> buy 10 of cheapest - $270, lasts 40 years. or one $300 one
[19:49:00] <renesis> your think looks sealed and pretty hardcore tho
[19:49:19] <roycroft> and for a tightly packed control panel i like that it's a lower profile
[19:49:32] <roycroft> the big balls would require more panel real estate
[19:49:36] <renesis> what does 5 position mean
[19:49:42] <renesis> yeah they would
[19:49:44] <roycroft> up, down, left, right, center
[19:50:21] <roycroft> so it would be useful for x-y jogging on a mill
[19:50:34] <roycroft> http://www.ebay.com/itm/SUNS-PBM22-JS3H-P7-22mm-Joystick-3-Position-2-Direction-Metal-Momentary-2NO-/121175240889?hash=item1c369b70b9:g:bbcAAOxyyvRSMinC
[19:50:35] <renesis> i think those specs might be fake
[19:50:44] <roycroft> that one would be good for z jogging on a mill
[19:50:47] <renesis> they seem to relate to buttons and eswitches
[19:50:58] <roycroft> it's generic specs for their product line
[19:51:08] <renesis> how does center count, heh
[19:51:13] <roycroft> it's a position
[19:51:41] <renesis> is it switched?
[19:51:41] <roycroft> the description says "5 position 4 direction"
[19:51:45] <roycroft> no, it's not switched
[19:51:59] <XXCoder> center = press to click?
[19:52:00] <roycroft> it's like a 3 position actuator
[19:52:02] <renesis> oh, ya it says 4NO
[19:52:02] <roycroft> no
[19:52:23] <roycroft> a 3 position actuator can take a no or nc switch on the left and on the right
[19:52:36] <roycroft> and the center is a position, but one where neither switch is actuated
[20:04:16] <Tom_L> JT-Shop, spacing seems off on the calendar months
[20:04:36] <Tom_L> vertical
[20:15:17] <roycroft> well if i'm going to buy a grizzly lathe i should probably work out the financing almost immediately, before the 40% tariff is imposed
[22:15:35] <CaptHindsight> Santas hit the east cost. I better get to bed!