#linuxcnc | Logs for 2016-12-22

[00:37:56] <Jymmm> Ok, tech coming out tomorrow to hopefully fix the interwebz. Do you think he'll just bring my new copy of the interwebz on 3.5 or 5.25 floppy?
[00:40:51] <archivist> switch a medium wave transistor radio on listen for noise, I had a PC power supply on standby causing the modem to retrain!
[00:42:56] <Jymmm> strange. This has been going on for a week just after some heavy winds, then I saw a tech working on the poles two days later. I'm hoping they just mucked up the copper
[00:43:19] <Jymmm> archivist: how far away was the modem from the pc?
[00:43:52] <archivist> 20ft
[00:44:12] <Jymmm> oh wow, thats one hellva noise PS
[00:44:20] <Jymmm> noisy*
[00:44:24] <archivist> the pc was putting in on the mains cable and radiating
[00:44:30] <Jymmm> ah
[00:45:06] <archivist> tech wandered up and down the road with a tranny, its your house!
[00:45:23] <Jymmm> lol, oh man
[00:45:40] <Jymmm> beware of LED street lighting too
[00:45:41] <archivist> unplugged till fault found..... oops
[00:46:13] <archivist> managed to get out of paying the call out charge :)
[00:46:21] <Jymmm> nice
[00:47:32] <Jymmm> I really suspect the pole cabling, it's pretty bad/old and know issues when wind/snow/ice is involved.
[00:48:18] <Jymmm> either that, or a squirrel is mucking with me
[00:49:21] <archivist> he also had a nice TDR to test the line quality
[00:49:51] <archivist> I am a very long way from the exchange
[00:50:07] <Jymmm> how far out are you?
[00:51:09] <archivist> 1.2 miles in an optical straight line, but the wire is a lot more
[00:51:31] <Jymmm> ah, yeah. loop length is the biggy
[00:52:10] <archivist> I can now pay over the odds for a local box connection
[00:52:35] <Jymmm> local box?
[00:53:19] <Jymmm> I FINALLY got rid of that damn annoying "Up Next" you tube crap!!!
[00:55:09] <archivist> they run fibre to a street box then on your standard copper moves from 10megabit to about 30
[00:55:48] <Jymmm> OH, you mean a miniDSLM, gotcha
[00:56:20] <Jymmm> Those suckers are expensive too, around $1.5 USD each
[00:57:06] <Jymmm> err $1.5M USD each
[01:11:59] <Jymmm> archivist: Just checked the modem has been up for 70+ days. So I rebooted it =)
[01:12:46] <archivist> 70, cant be much wrong then
[01:13:13] <archivist> has it been retraining
[01:16:46] <Jymmm> Yeah. loses broadband, then comes back up ~30s later
[01:17:19] <Jymmm> and latency has been a little high as of late
[01:19:32] <Jymmm> archivist: created this out of convenience:: alias p='ping -A | while read pong; do echo "$(date +%Y-%m-%d\ %H:%M:%S) - $pong"; done'
[01:21:27] <archivist> this box is at 06:49:08 up 65 days, 21:34, 6 users, load average: 0.39, 0.32, 0.30
[02:56:31] <Deejay> moin
[05:41:17] <Tom_L> hey
[05:41:33] <Deejay> yo
[05:41:50] <XXCoder> boo
[05:46:30] * Deejay slaps XXCoder ;-)
[05:46:49] * XXCoder dies
[05:51:39] <malcom2073> Hi
[05:52:02] * XXCoder comes back to life and says "hey malcom2073"
[06:06:20] <jthornton> morning
[06:06:36] <XXCoder> yo
[06:53:14] <tiwake> ponies
[07:28:21] <SpeedEvil> Which one.
[07:53:00] <Tom_L> JT-Shop, i'll test it later today
[07:57:25] <archivist> bot needs some viagra so jt can keep it up
[08:22:17] <jthornton> Tom_L: ok, I've fixed all the known issues
[09:05:29] <Jymmmm> Mornin
[09:05:57] * Jymmmm lol @ archivist
[09:06:34] <Jymmm> jthornton: Wood Fired Hot Tub https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMjpWlgcK-M
[09:21:57] * JT-Shop can't watch videos after 8am...
[09:22:29] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Just wait till tomorrow then
[09:22:39] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: and it's only 7am here ;)
[09:25:07] <gregcnc> I was going to post that clip for you the other day Jymmm
[09:25:53] <Jymmm> gregcnc: Ah nice, I thought it was a pretty cool idea other than the whole open fire on the ground thing, but yeah
[11:00:56] <lunada> I'm trying to read my machine schematics and i swear it shares the common for the 28vdc with the 115vac. is that something people do???
[11:01:25] <gregcnc> ground?
[11:01:29] <cradek> I bet you're misunderstanding it
[11:01:53] <cradek> share a picture of it?
[11:03:31] <Deejay> AC has no 'ground' ;)
[11:04:11] <Deejay> perhaps PE is connected to the 28Vdc ground
[11:04:18] <Deejay> (protective earth)
[11:04:26] <lunada> i'm trying to upload the schematic to something now.
[11:04:35] <cradek> understanding how transformers are hooked up can be tricky
[11:04:37] <gregcnc> yes PE
[11:04:57] <cradek> sometimes you might have an autotransformer used for step up/down and those can look like surprising things are connected together (because they are)
[11:05:17] <lunada> i probed it with my multimeter and common is connected to neutral
[11:05:39] <gregcnc> what kind of machine?
[11:06:02] <lunada> lagunmatic that had a dynapath delta 20
[11:06:15] <lunada> any prefered places to upload a pdf?
[11:07:02] <Jymmm> lunada: better to just tkae a screenshot and upload that image to http://imgur.com/
[11:07:09] <gregcnc> Emco machines have rectified transformer outputs connected to PE
[11:07:31] <djdelorie> ground and neutral are electrically connected at the main panel, but they shouldn't be connected anywhere else...
[11:07:55] <lunada> it's several pages jymmm
[11:08:03] * Jymmm grounds Deejay with some crazyglue
[11:08:14] <Deejay> heya
[11:08:29] <Jymmm> lunada: well, just the relative part
[11:09:16] <Deejay> not the absolute part?
[11:09:31] <Deejay> (did you mean the relevant part?)
[11:09:40] <djdelorie> he meant the elephant part
[11:09:45] <Deejay> he ;)
[11:10:05] <Jymmm> Deejay: Go sit on an ice crystal.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXVgNw12OoY
[11:11:47] <lunada> http://imgur.com/rYhlksM
[11:12:43] <lunada> wire 1 is the common for all the 24vdc relays, but it also is connected to ground
[11:13:21] <djdelorie> yup, that's the symbol for ground. But ground isn't neutral
[11:13:41] <lunada> i get that but it still is connected to neutral
[11:13:49] <djdelorie> "ground" in this case being chassis ground, protective earth ground, whatever.
[11:15:00] <djdelorie> if that's wired for USA 240VAC, and you're detecting a connection between the chassis and line neutral (white) with the machine unplugged... ?
[11:16:46] <lunada> it's 3 phase 208v, but there is 110vac in the machine, and yes, it is 0 ohms between white (neutral) and wire #1
[11:17:50] <lunada> i'm not sure if they cheat and steal 110v from the ground or if they have a step down transformer, but there are a few transformers in it so i'm guessing they step it down
[11:18:01] <gregcnc> makes sense as nuetral in the machine is PE
[11:18:19] <gregcnc> http://www.dynapath.com/pdf/4203642Delta10-20MCP2WiringDiagram.pdf
[11:18:21] <cradek> I'd guess 1TR is the 110v transformer
[11:18:23] <djdelorie> that should be somewhere on the schematics then
[11:18:48] <lunada> i don't see any rectifiers though, so i'm not sure how it's 28vdc
[11:19:40] <cradek> where do you get 28vdc?
[11:19:54] <cradek> hard to say what DELTA is but it might be a DC supply
[11:19:59] <cradek> wire 10
[11:20:14] <lunada> wire 10 is supposed to be 28vdc
[11:20:47] <djdelorie> ah, I see - ground and neutral on the *internal* 115VAC power strip are connected. Not the *machine* ground and neutral (the schematics show 3phase and ground, no neutral, anyway)
[11:21:16] <lunada> i'm trying to track down why there isn't 28vdc at wire 10 and came across wire 1
[11:21:26] <djdelorie> given that the 115VAC is isolated from the building power, I think that's correct, in the "one true connection" rule
[11:21:43] <cradek> 4FU blown?
[11:22:00] <lunada> it just seemed odd to me... having ac and dc using the same wire
[11:22:01] <cradek> or the GFI tripped
[11:23:02] <cradek> having the right side of 1TR hooked to ground makes it so when 1CRA is open you have just ground potential everywhere below it
[11:23:08] <cradek> or 1FU for that matter
[11:23:29] <lunada> there is 23vac coming from the "delta"
[11:23:56] <lunada> but it seems to dissapear there, and 4fu didnt seem to be blown but i'll double check
[11:24:17] <cradek> must be rectifiers for the 28vdc on SHT 0301 then
[11:27:29] <lunada> actually im mistaken... i dont see the "delta" in the box
[11:28:35] <lunada> there is a small transformer that puts out about 23vac, but it is wires 7 and 8
[11:29:20] <lunada> it loloks like that is only for a work light.
[11:29:48] <cradek> that's 3TR
[11:30:29] <lunada> yep i see that now
[11:30:35] <gregcnc> what is delta?
[11:30:53] <lunada> no clue... wonder if it was part of the control
[11:31:20] <lunada> ahhhhh
[11:31:25] <lunada> i think i figured it out
[11:31:29] <gregcnc> that's my thought, only reason to have gfi is a person touching it
[11:32:34] <lunada> i gutted the control panel wiring.... the power supply must have been in the control, and the e-stop loop brought it in to the terminal block to feed everything else
[11:33:52] <lunada> yup it was... on the side of it.
[11:34:33] <lunada> duh. thanks for the help guys.
[11:47:46] <lunada> that seemed to work so far, just need to invert my inputs for my limit switches
[12:19:17] <IchGucksLive> hi
[12:20:50] <IchGucksLive> lunada: still on
[12:21:03] <IchGucksLive> go fonegatv logic on the switches
[12:21:10] <IchGucksLive> better to prove
[13:29:27] <IchGucksLive> ok im Going on Holiday so have a nice Xmas where ever you are see you around yearchange
[14:47:31] <sector_0> hey
[14:47:56] <sector_0> I want to make a circular rail for a project I'm working on
[14:49:03] <sector_0> Ideally I want a large bearing ~0.5m in diameter, but I'm assuming a bearing that size is going to be insanely expensive
[14:50:58] <sector_0> I came up with 2 different designs 1) a flat circle with 4 carriages spaced at 90degs, and 2) ring shaped rail (like a wedding band) and have the carriages ride on that instead
[14:51:11] <sector_0> which do you guys thing would be sturdiest?
[14:51:20] <sector_0> and what are some other ways of doing it?
[15:31:58] <miss0r> Goodevening
[15:33:00] <miss0r> sad to find the channel so quite, as I was hoping for some entertainment, while the roland mill finished this resopal sign (coaded plastic, that when removing the top layer shows another color underneath).
[15:33:47] <JT-Shop2> you can come over now the OSB is up
[15:33:52] <miss0r> And for whatever reason, I had it take 0.1mm on each run, with the endresult of 0.2mm, which is quite easily done in one pass... i.e. doubeling the time, because i'm tired
[15:34:08] <miss0r> OSB?
[15:35:55] <miss0r> On Screen Beastiality?
[15:41:02] <SpeedEvil> Oriented Strand Board.
[15:41:19] <SpeedEvil> large visible flakes of wood pressed and glued.
[15:42:59] <miss0r> I always wondered what that was called. I hear people calling it plywood all the time
[15:50:30] <JT-Shop2> Oh Shitty Board
[15:50:47] <JT-Shop2> large flakes on one side only
[15:51:16] <JT-Shop2> other side smaller flakes
[15:51:34] <XXCoder> only serves bastards
[15:52:06] <XXCoder> hey JT-Shop2 how goes your shop
[15:54:22] <JT-Shop2> got the OSB up on the walls
[15:54:29] <JT-Shop2> working on the wood stove now
[15:54:55] <XXCoder> cool
[15:55:42] <Jymmm> JT-Shop2: you have the flue pipe already installed?
[15:56:44] <JT-Shop2> no
[15:57:11] <Jymmm> Got the flue pipe?
[15:57:34] <JT-Shop2> yes
[15:57:53] <Jymmm> JT-Shop2: Probably cost more than the stove
[16:00:07] <JT-Shop2> has to cost more than the stove... the stove was free
[16:01:07] <Jymmm> 6" 4ft dbl wall is like $135/each
[16:03:13] <JT-Shop2> I've seen it as high as $200
[16:03:31] <Jymmm> gos even more if it's all SS or tripple wall
[16:04:12] <Tom_L> logs
[16:04:12] <c-log> Tom_L: Today's Log http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:82/~tom-itx/irc/logs/%23linuxcnc/2016-12-22.html
[16:09:01] <JT-Shop2> wow it works
[16:09:07] <JT-Shop2> dang long url lol
[16:11:58] <ToddZ> Gone for holliday, back Tues.
[16:12:09] <XXCoder> 5 day weekend for me
[16:14:44] <JT-Shop2> Tom_L: you been messing with the css file?
[16:26:58] <Deejay> gn8
[17:15:11] <Tom_L> JT-Shop :D
[17:18:12] <JT-Shop> sure makes it easy to change stuff
[17:30:09] <Tom_L> i tried changing the year header but it changed the whole table
[17:31:23] <JT-Shop> prob don't have a class assigned to it
[17:34:19] <JT-Shop> yep no class for the year, easy fix
[17:36:03] <JT-Shop> I'll add one for month so the links are not red if none
[17:36:27] <JT-Shop> the title needs to be in the table too so it is centered with the table
[17:37:12] <JT-Shop> how about instead of 2016 Logs have it say #linuxcnc 2016 Logs in each year?
[17:38:05] <lunada> well the machine moves. just gotta tune it and do the ladder for the toolchanger
[17:55:31] <JT-Shop2> cool, what kind of machine?
[17:59:00] <Tom_L> you're the carpenter...
[18:03:35] <JT-Shop2> millwright atm, box and pan brake back together
[18:03:49] <JT-Shop2> lunada: what kind of machine?
[18:05:15] <Tom_L> what caused that crash last night?
[18:05:34] <Tom_L> i forget what it was now...
[18:06:32] <JT-Shop2> I forgot a constant
[18:06:43] <JT-Shop2> so when someone parted it crashed
[18:07:00] <Tom_L> ah
[18:10:30] <CaptHindsight> anyone have this pallet jack? http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200618183_200618183
[18:10:56] <XXCoder> heh used bunch of those, dunno brand
[18:11:44] <SpeedEvil> neat
[18:11:57] <SpeedEvil> I would really like an all-terrain version :)
[18:12:20] <XXCoder> lol
[18:12:30] <CaptHindsight> I have a fork lift. I'm just looking for a pallet jack
[18:12:38] <XXCoder> CaptHindsight: honestly all of those would work fine
[18:12:57] <XXCoder> I have only seen one that was semi-broken, and it was chinese brand one
[18:13:00] <CaptHindsight> XXCoder: well the details are always where the devils is
[18:13:12] <XXCoder> it was also beaten heavily like all other pallet jacks.
[18:13:17] <CaptHindsight> like the HF has no replacement parts
[18:13:27] <Tom_L> i've use simiar in the past
[18:13:43] <XXCoder> yeah don't buy irrepairable one. that semibroken one had tiny pressure leak and it cannot be fixed.
[18:13:55] <XXCoder> otherwise they are basically immortal.
[18:15:06] <CaptHindsight> hard to bee the NT one on sale for $189
[18:15:17] <CaptHindsight> https://www.uline.com/BL_1805/Uline-Pallet-Trucks
[18:15:23] * JT-Shop2 calls it a day
[18:15:29] <JT-Shop2> say goodnight Gracie
[18:16:01] <XXCoder> good grace night
[18:22:26] <Tom_L> uline has alot of stuff
[18:36:04] <Tom_L> zeeshan you need a taller garage
[18:36:08] <zeeshan> ??
[18:36:47] <Tom_L> http://www.gregsmithequipment.com/Atlas-Garage-Pro-8-000?gclid=CK-n6eeCidECFQ-1wAodOZkIEg
[18:36:53] <Tom_L> then you could put your rx on that
[18:37:00] <Tom_L> to keep it outta the way
[18:42:37] <zeeshan> lol
[18:42:40] <zeeshan> that'd be sweet
[18:51:18] <Tom_L> i saw one today and thought of you
[18:52:41] <zeeshan> i guess my lack of space really bothers you! :D
[18:53:02] <Tom_L> you talked about getting a trailer for it
[18:53:23] <zeeshan> too unsafe :P
[18:53:25] <Tom_L> i told you to hang it from the celine
[18:53:28] <Tom_L> celing
[18:53:39] <Tom_L> ^^^ next best thing
[18:53:55] <zeeshan> :)
[18:54:13] <zeeshan> honestly
[18:54:15] <zeeshan> that'd be awesome wall art
[18:54:19] <zeeshan> an upside down car on the ceiling
[18:54:20] <zeeshan> :D
[18:54:29] <zeeshan> ceiling art i mean :)
[18:56:19] <gregcnc> the dipstick won't work on the ceiling
[19:13:12] <dioz> so here i go again
[19:13:16] <dioz> HERE I GO AGAIN
[19:13:44] <dioz> brief run down. spent years in IT. linux, bsd, virtualization, cisco, fuck windows, etc. etc.
[19:13:49] <dioz> i burned out and decided to pick up a trade
[19:13:52] <dioz> so now i'm bashin tin right
[19:13:56] <dioz> 33 years old
[19:14:07] <dioz> and there's kids younger than me with more seniority
[19:14:11] <dioz> okay i'm fine with being older
[19:14:24] <dioz> i asked a few older guys about trades work and apprenticing
[19:14:45] <dioz> now if you're a 3rd year and you tell a 1st year to clean up your mess after you do w/e work you did that's fine
[19:15:04] <dioz> saw dust, extra material, etc.
[19:15:06] <dioz> that's fine
[19:15:29] <dioz> but i don't think a 2nd year should be assigned a task and outsource their job
[19:15:32] <dioz> to the 1st year
[19:15:43] <dioz> and i don't think 1st years should be helpers to 2nd years unless it's rinse and repeat
[19:16:20] <dioz> if you're a jman and you tell any of your apprentice to go do something
[19:16:22] <dioz> sure
[19:16:28] <zeeshan> Tom_L: whats new
[19:16:37] <zeeshan> doing any catia work?
[19:16:47] <zeeshan> you'll forget it if you dont use it!
[19:17:51] <dioz> so anyways dude a level above me was tellin me all morning how there was no work or something. and i cleaned the entire work area, cleaned all the garbage he left the day before from the crawl space, i picked the 4 out of 6 harder to do tasks and completed them in the time it took him to do the smaller tasks
[19:18:10] <dioz> i noticed he was having issues hanging his fart fan so i jumped off my ladder and dragged it over and helped him out
[19:18:28] <dioz> so we finish his work and i goes back to mine and he doesn't even so much as offer to help
[19:18:36] <dioz> as well starts telling me i need to clean up this work area
[19:18:41] <dioz> i was like "fuuuuck no buddy"
[19:19:03] <dioz> he even had a 1st year helper yesterday but didn't clean any of his garbage
[19:19:08] <Wolf_> next time let him fight with the fart fan and tell the forman that he has been fucking off all day :P
[19:19:29] <dioz> Wolf_: i told the dude straight out "where i come from you pick up the pace or get replaced"
[19:19:35] <dioz> "i'll walk circles around you"
[19:19:37] <dioz> he was LIVID
[19:19:42] <dioz> i'm gonna get fired odds are
[19:20:00] <dioz> but i told the dude who hired me "i just wanna work hours and finish jobs.... i'll make this worth your while"
[19:20:15] <dioz> i'm not pro but i do commercial duct install which is pretty much rinse and repeat
[19:20:18] <Wolf_> yeah, make sure he isnt related to someone else higher up lol
[19:20:47] <dioz> my old boss wants me back
[19:21:06] <dioz> this place just seems weird
[19:21:39] <dioz> like the initial team lead was talkin to me about "having pride in your job" and "doing the job to the best of your ability".... he wanted me to hand seam drives to make perfect right angles instead of just whackin 'em over with a hammer
[19:21:43] <dioz> i was like "serious?"
[19:21:53] <dioz> so i kind of questioned him about it a bit and he just kind of lost it
[19:22:05] <dioz> "you're pretty lippy"
[19:22:18] <dioz> i was like "is this esthetic or related to operation?"
[19:22:20] <dioz> BOOM
[19:22:22] <dioz> triggered
[19:22:36] <Wolf_> lol
[19:23:10] <dioz> you know what slip and drive is?
[19:23:14] <dioz> for square duct work
[19:23:20] <dioz> slip is a S cleat
[19:23:41] <Wolf_> I think I do
[19:24:04] <_methods> maybe he was huffing the galv fumes
[19:24:10] <dioz> drive is the part you hammer down two J hooks to create a transverse connection
[19:24:15] <_methods> were you guys smokin the galv again
[19:24:34] <dioz> anyways he's trying to tell me that you NEED to make it so duct overlaps internally
[19:24:37] <_methods> i think irrational anger and superiority complex are symptoms
[19:24:43] <dioz> like... you need to make sure the slips from one go INTO the other one
[19:24:49] <dioz> to assist with air flow
[19:24:53] <dioz> but yet you have a S cleat
[19:25:02] <Wolf_> lol
[19:25:03] <dioz> regardless you're still going to have a fucking lip
[19:25:05] <dioz> from the S cleat
[19:25:12] <dioz> which is going to affect potential flow
[19:25:27] <dioz> i was like "this just seems like we're making it more effor than it should be"
[19:25:30] <dioz> effort
[19:25:34] <dioz> TRIGGERED
[19:25:45] <dioz> apparently i'm pretty "punchy" though
[19:25:55] <dioz> blunt as fuck
[19:26:01] <dioz> imo i'm trying to be clear
[19:26:03] <dioz> make sense
[19:26:05] <dioz> understand
[19:26:25] <dioz> explain your rational behind this and give me facts don't fuck around and just say shit for the sake of saying it
[19:26:35] <dioz> "you can't weld galv iron because of the zinc"
[19:26:36] <dioz> fuck off
[19:26:43] <dioz> people do it every fucking day
[19:28:01] <dioz> dude also said fuckin he's the boss, told me to take "at least an hour for lunch"
[19:28:13] <dioz> i was like "nope, you're just a 3rd year"
[19:28:17] <dioz> TRIGGERED
[19:28:36] <zeeshan> dioz
[19:28:43] <zeeshan> plz weld galv right now for us
[19:28:55] <dioz> huff the fumes and have to drink some milk
[19:29:11] <dioz> or as some think, die instantly because toxic
[19:29:21] <zeeshan> dioz are you a 5'2 guy
[19:29:24] <zeeshan> whos angry at the whole world
[19:29:24] <zeeshan> :D
[19:29:36] <_methods> TRIGGERED
[19:29:43] <dioz> not angry at the whole world. just have a different idea of team work i guess
[19:29:46] <Wolf_> I just use acid to take the galv off
[19:29:49] <dioz> and being fruitful with your operation
[19:29:58] <dioz> Wolf_: obv. like you do w/ solder
[19:30:02] <zeeshan> big mistake going into trade
[19:30:03] <zeeshan> :)
[19:30:39] <dioz> zeeshan: my problem is the talk of team work and teams and yada yada
[19:31:04] <dioz> zeeshan: i bet you're one of those guys who never laces his boots
[19:31:05] <dioz> heh ;]
[19:31:14] <dioz> just sluff 'em around all day
[19:31:15] <zeeshan> ??
[19:31:28] <dioz> it means you're slow
[19:31:37] <zeeshan> lol
[19:31:38] <dioz> you ever been a job site with a dude who doesn't lace his boots?
[19:31:42] <zeeshan> at least i'm not a level 1
[19:31:45] <zeeshan> like you :)
[19:32:04] <dioz> zeeshan: i've forgotten more things than you'll ever learn
[19:32:16] <zeeshan> keep working on the floor :)
[19:32:46] <dioz> will do bud
[19:39:25] <dioz> i just can't communicate with people
[19:39:31] <dioz> without saying "yes" and not being entirely clear
[19:39:45] <dioz> also some people just can't take being asked questions
[19:39:49] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlD39tw8W8Q - hydraulic press channel - aluminium foil to solid.
[19:39:55] <dioz> i'm one of the first people to be like "i don't fucking know don't ask me"
[19:40:18] <dioz> i'll give a suggestion or an opinion but i'm not gonna fight over it if i'm not entirely sure
[19:40:33] <zeeshan> SpeedEvil: that is bad ass
[19:40:33] <zeeshan> lol
[19:40:57] <SpeedEvil> It's probably not very good aluminium.
[19:41:02] <SpeedEvil> But still.
[19:41:03] <zeeshan> :D
[19:41:28] <zeeshan> need to take that to the lab
[19:41:30] <zeeshan> and tensile test it
[19:42:38] <SpeedEvil> Reason 108 why I need a large hydraulic press.
[19:42:55] <gregcnc> i'd like to see what happens if you try to mill it
[19:43:22] <dioz> oh she'd blow to pieces i bet
[19:43:24] <SpeedEvil> not with good tooling I wouldn't.
[19:43:40] <SpeedEvil> (massive oxide inclusions)
[19:43:54] <gregcnc> i don't know if we saw this one this year https://youtu.be/42AhzwPL8HY
[19:44:09] <tiwake> aluminum is low enough melting temp that just melt and cast it
[19:44:09] <SpeedEvil> It would be interesting to do the above in an argon atmosphere, and take it all the way.
[19:44:15] <SpeedEvil> tiwake: Oh yes.
[19:44:19] <SpeedEvil> that's boring and easy though
[19:44:31] <tiwake> efficient
[19:44:33] <gregcnc> i just order extruded bar
[19:45:24] <tiwake> jep
[19:45:30] <tiwake> hmm
[19:45:39] <tiwake> what if I wanted to extrude my own aluminum
[19:45:43] <gregcnc> zeeshan did you buy manuals yet?
[19:45:49] <zeeshan> Nope
[19:45:51] <zeeshan> :]
[19:46:06] <gregcnc> still hoping they magically appear
[19:46:21] <Jymmm> tiwake: what would you make?
[19:46:30] <tiwake> Jymmm: yes
[19:46:51] <Jymmm> tiwake: Yeah, no. not extruded.
[19:47:14] <zeeshan> they might
[19:47:15] <Jymmm> tiwake: cast maybe
[19:47:19] <SpeedEvil> extrusion can do fun things.
[19:47:22] <zeeshan> =]
[19:47:30] <tiwake> screw cast aluminum
[19:47:31] <SpeedEvil> But isn't really very easy to do for metals.
[19:48:29] <gregcnc> no reason to extrude like 6" of stock
[19:49:05] <tiwake> Jymmm: I recall seeing some use-cases in the past where I could do production extruded aluminum parts with a bit of machining afterwards, but I don't specifically recall what it was
[19:49:13] <SpeedEvil> I have in the past wondered about silly things.
[19:49:31] <SpeedEvil> Like pulltrusion of CF/Al matrix
[19:49:50] <Wolf_> wow the shit I find on my harddrive… http://i.imgur.com/ZRO2XBc.png
[19:50:09] <zeeshan> lol
[19:50:18] <Jymmm> tiwake: I have one, but it requires a cast part too (end caps), so kinda screwed
[19:51:09] <tiwake> Jymmm: some parts I've made for another guy included a custom extrusion for copper, then I did the machining
[19:52:00] <Jymmm> tiwake: Well, I suspect stamping would be easier/cheaper
[19:52:08] <Jymmm> punching, whatever
[19:52:35] <dioz> haha
[19:52:37] <dioz> The BDI-Live is based on the Morphix distribution of Linux. This distribution is intended as a
[19:52:40] <dioz> way for potential users to test out the EMC without having to install in on a hard drive. With it
[19:52:43] <dioz> there are no worries that you will loose important information that you have on a hard drive that
[19:52:46] <dioz> is tended to by another operating system
[19:52:48] <dioz> oops
[19:52:51] <dioz> related to channel though!
[19:52:52] <dioz> morphix
[19:53:15] <tiwake> pastefail
[19:55:09] <_methods> dat penguin is nightmare
[19:55:53] <gregcnc> i was thinking the same thing
[19:57:08] <Wolf_> emc-1.0.0.src.tgz is on the drive as well lol
[20:02:46] <Tom_L> zeeshan re catia.. i know
[20:09:45] <roycroft> hi folks
[20:10:21] <roycroft> if one is building a linuxcnc control computer, and wants a keyboard (touch screen will be mostly used), is a full keyboard necessary
[20:10:36] <roycroft> specifically, is the keyboard essentially useless without function keys?
[20:10:53] <Wolf_> I think function keys are needed…
[20:11:10] <roycroft> i'm thinking that the primary use would be for on-the-fly gcoding and the like
[20:11:18] <Wolf_> maybe not so much then
[20:11:21] <roycroft> i'm looking at kiosk keyboards
[20:11:27] <roycroft> which are heavy duty, often stainless steel
[20:11:37] <roycroft> but have a fairly minimal key set
[20:11:53] <roycroft> i would probably ssh into the machine from elsewhere to do most work on the machine itself
[20:12:04] <roycroft> i.e. i would not be using the keyboard as a console keyaboard
[20:12:07] <roycroft> keyboard
[20:12:24] <Wolf_> could always leave a usb port accessable as well
[20:12:56] <roycroft> http://www.ebay.com/itm/DSI-Compact-Metal-Keyboard-Industrial-Kiosk-with-PS-2-Connection-TY1000-/311575752962?hash=item488b5cb102:g:QIYAAOSwGYVW9a-V
[20:13:03] <roycroft> something like that
[20:13:14] <roycroft> yes, if i ever need the console i could plug a standard keyboard into a usb port
[20:13:42] <Wolf_> damn thats expensive
[20:13:48] <roycroft> not really
[20:13:55] <roycroft> for a metal, industrial grade keyboard
[20:14:02] <Wolf_> well, yeah
[20:14:17] <Wolf_> might be overkill still imo
[20:14:36] <roycroft> http://www.ebay.com/itm/65-keys-mini-compact-format-IP65-Panel-mount-metal-keyboard-with-USB-port-/122251579670?hash=item1c76c31116:g:afAAAOSwnQhXoZfT
[20:14:38] <zeeshan> i dunno about overkill
[20:14:44] <zeeshan> i've killed 2 keyboards so far on my mill
[20:14:45] <roycroft> that has function keys but costs 2x as much
[20:14:47] <zeeshan> from chips getting in :D
[20:14:55] <roycroft> that's my thought, zeeshan
[20:15:02] <roycroft> try to swarf-proof it somewhat
[20:15:19] <zeeshan> roycroft: my second keyboard i tried getting those washable keyboards
[20:15:19] <zeeshan> lol
[20:15:24] <malcom2073> I have a couple of Esterline keyboards, waterproof/oilproof
[20:15:24] <zeeshan> the very flexy kind
[20:15:34] <malcom2073> They're really awesome for the mill,just turn it off and wipe it down
[20:15:34] <zeeshan> chips melted right thru
[20:15:34] <zeeshan> :D
[20:15:45] <Wolf_> haha
[20:15:46] <malcom2073> And silicon, so high temp
[20:15:51] <roycroft> yeah, but you mill like a maniac
[20:16:02] <roycroft> the chips are glowing white hot because you cut at 800m/minute
[20:16:03] <zeeshan> if i could go back and do it again
[20:16:09] <Wolf_> I have a LG medical grade washable keyboard
[20:16:19] <zeeshan> i'd move my keyboard further away
[20:16:27] <zeeshan> but no space
[20:16:36] <roycroft> well my controller computer will be in a wheeled cart
[20:16:40] <roycroft> that i can move around
[20:16:50] <roycroft> i have a really nice cart that i picked up
[20:16:59] <Wolf_> but usually I would just make sure the keyboard isnt in the mill enclosure =P
[20:17:03] <roycroft> it has 19" rack rails inside
[20:17:10] <zeeshan> nice
[20:17:12] <malcom2073> Wolf_: http://richmond.craigslist.org/bfs/5909262322.html
[20:17:31] <Wolf_> woah
[20:17:31] <roycroft> and it's just the right height to put a cabinet on top with keyboard, touchscreen, and joystick/various other nice buttons
[20:17:36] <malcom2073> I'd jump all over that if I had the money
[20:17:38] <roycroft> and a GINORMOUS e-stop paddle
[20:17:40] <malcom2073> ripe for a lcnc retrofit
[20:17:40] <zeeshan> wow
[20:17:43] <zeeshan> thats a good mill too
[20:17:46] <Wolf_> … I do have the $$…
[20:17:55] <zeeshan> that same type was going for $18000 up here
[20:18:05] <malcom2073> Wolf_: Go get it
[20:18:06] <malcom2073> for me
[20:18:07] <malcom2073> :-P
[20:18:07] <Wolf_> cause I haven’t picked up that mill and shit I was looking at getting lol
[20:18:20] <malcom2073> zeeshan: It's broken
[20:18:22] <roycroft> i have that much cash easily
[20:18:30] <malcom2073> VMC's like that go around $1000-$2000 at auctions around here all the time
[20:18:35] <zeeshan> hm
[20:18:35] <roycroft> it's almost worth driving all the way cross-country to get that
[20:18:38] <zeeshan> lucky
[20:18:46] <malcom2073> zeeshan: I'm like 7 hours south of you, shush
[20:18:49] <Wolf_> thats like little over a hour away...
[20:18:57] <roycroft> but richmod is about as far away from here as one can get an and still be in the usa
[20:18:58] <zeeshan> what state
[20:19:03] <malcom2073> zeeshan: That one is in virginia
[20:19:05] <malcom2073> I'm in PA
[20:19:12] * Wolf_ is in Maryland
[20:19:15] <zeeshan> im thinking of driving to the states this weekend
[20:19:27] <Wolf_> so I’m like 7.75 hrs south of you zeeshan
[20:19:29] <malcom2073> Don't do it
[20:19:31] <malcom2073> it's not worth it
[20:20:02] <zeeshan> i want to drive through 15 and 80
[20:20:04] <Wolf_> wonder how big that sob is..
[20:20:06] <zeeshan> through the parks there
[20:20:15] <roycroft> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Metal-Kiosk-Keyboard-with-Trackball-Stainless-steel-keyboard-/272483951367?hash=item3f714f2307:g:jnAAAOSwCEdYT0eK
[20:20:28] <malcom2073> Wolf_: 7500lbs
[20:20:29] <roycroft> i like that keyboard but i don't like the trackball on the side
[20:20:31] <zeeshan> roycroft: thats nice
[20:20:33] <malcom2073> only 8ft tall
[20:20:35] <malcom2073> It's tiny!
[20:20:37] <roycroft> trackballs can be removed
[20:20:38] <zeeshan> i wonder if the chips will get stuck between the keys tho
[20:20:42] <roycroft> i has bandsaw!
[20:20:51] <malcom2073> Wolf_: Go buy it for me :-P
[20:20:54] <Wolf_> 7500… I think I can put it on my truck lol
[20:21:00] <roycroft> yeah, it might attract chips
[20:21:07] <roycroft> it's certainly rugged enough though
[20:21:12] <roycroft> other than that
[20:21:25] <malcom2073> Wolf_: And they have forklifts there (in the picture) to help load
[20:21:43] <roycroft> just put casters on it, lasso it with a big rope, and tow it away
[20:21:51] <zeeshan> i feel bad whenever i go see the machinists programming on the machine
[20:21:57] <zeeshan> vertical keyboards are the worse
[20:21:59] <zeeshan> worst
[20:22:04] <roycroft> yes
[20:22:06] <zeeshan> for ergonomics
[20:22:14] <roycroft> i don't anticipate using a keyboard all that often
[20:22:19] <Wolf_> yeah, if I was doing a rack mount, I would just put a real keyboard in a drawer
[20:22:22] <zeeshan> who in their right might designs that shit
[20:22:24] <zeeshan> like that
[20:22:30] <roycroft> but i want to have a horizontal one at a reasonable height for when i do need it
[20:22:36] <roycroft> besides, i can always make a cover for it
[20:22:47] <roycroft> and then i have a shelf to hold a beer stein
[20:22:56] <zeeshan> yea
[20:23:02] <zeeshan> theres many ways around a vertical keyboard
[20:23:14] <zeeshan> its crazy how these companies charge half a million to a million
[20:23:17] <zeeshan> for a vertical keyboard machine!
[20:23:27] <malcom2073> I'm in the wrong line of work
[20:23:33] <zeeshan> me too!
[20:23:38] <roycroft> i really like having a cart that i can wheel around
[20:23:46] <zeeshan> malcom2073: lets start the company "Vertical keyboards inc"
[20:23:47] <zeeshan> :D
[20:23:49] <roycroft> vs. a controller computer that's attached to the machine
[20:23:50] <malcom2073> lol
[20:24:10] <zeeshan> roycroft computer can be on the machine
[20:24:14] <roycroft> theoretically i could use the same computer to control multiple machines, as long as i'm only using one at a time
[20:24:16] <zeeshan> you just need your interface stuff on your car :D
[20:24:24] <zeeshan> or that :p
[20:24:30] <roycroft> well my computer is in a rack mount case
[20:24:39] <roycroft> so it might as well go on the cart that has the rack rails
[20:24:44] <Wolf_> so how much is that Funuc controls worth off that machine? lol
[20:24:46] <malcom2073> My machines are all big enough that having a computer car twould use more space than just sticking it on the machine
[20:24:53] <malcom2073> Wolf_: Probably something to someone
[20:24:56] <zeeshan> Wolf_: i've made about 2500 so far
[20:24:58] <zeeshan> from my crap
[20:25:12] <zeeshan> throwing it back into controls :D
[20:27:57] <malcom2073> I need to do stuff with my mill, I haven't touched it in probably 6 months
[20:28:04] <zeeshan> do it!
[20:28:07] <zeeshan> did you see my lathe?!
[20:28:10] <malcom2073> Yep
[20:28:13] <zeeshan> im proud of the progress so far
[20:28:18] <malcom2073> You've gotten a lot done
[20:28:23] <malcom2073> I on the other hand, haven't haha
[20:28:24] <zeeshan> nachi sent me some manuals
[20:28:31] <malcom2073> Hard to do much with only 10-15 minutes a day of actual free time
[20:28:36] <zeeshan> what do you need to do w/ your mill still?
[20:28:39] <malcom2073> I still need to fix the heater in the garage
[20:28:41] <zeeshan> last time i saw videos if it running
[20:29:04] <malcom2073> It runs, but I still need to clean up wiring and electronics, get everything pretty in a box. More importantly, I have a few projects I need to get done milling stuff
[20:29:20] <zeeshan> ah
[20:30:40] <Wolf_> Tool changer malfunctions that sounds fun
[20:30:45] <zeeshan> :)
[20:32:30] <Wolf_> well, least that mill should fit on the skid loader trailer
[20:32:33] <Wolf_> I think
[20:34:32] <roycroft> you could also wait 'til it snows, put big skis underneath it, and tow it that way
[20:35:07] <Wolf_> 2h 44min drive time lol
[20:38:08] <Wolf_> skis… just get the bolt pattern for it and bolt it to a hook lift skid
[20:50:57] <gregcnc> http://www.ebay.com/itm/162329610925
[20:51:40] <gregcnc> zeeshan I still think you should have gone with the stock control and 3 phase, you'd be running by now
[20:58:42] <jdh> sometimes, things just aren't as good without pain and suffering
[21:30:53] <dioz> hah dude said to me "don't do things unless i tell you to do things"
[21:31:02] <dioz> i said "the thing is if you don't tell me to do things i'll find things to do"
[23:44:34] <Tom_L> silly client