#linuxcnc | Logs for 2016-12-20

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[00:11:45] <MacGalempsy> you dont think smelling it would ruin the sense of smell?
[00:27:00] <archivist> MacGalempsy, hydrogen sulphide does bugger your sense of smell
[00:54:05] <MacGalempsy> i recall righands saying the would hit a pocket of h2s and several guys would lose their smells
[05:44:47] <Deejay> moin
[05:46:50] <XXCoder> yo
[05:49:36] <jthornton> morning
[05:49:56] <sel> hello
[05:52:21] <XXCoder> 30 whole seconds!
[05:52:26] <XXCoder> hey jthornton
[05:53:05] <XXCoder> jt know whats weird?
[05:53:27] <XXCoder> my 90 degree wide support for 2020 is added to more groups than its been downloaded
[05:54:28] <XXCoder> oh guess there was some downloads now. 18 downloads, 11 collecions now. lol
[05:57:53] <XXCoder> so how ya jthornton
[05:58:40] <jthornton> cool
[05:58:50] <Tom_L> morning
[05:59:03] <jthornton> I still have a problem with the alignment of the Z screw I think
[05:59:12] <jthornton> didn't have time to look at it yesterday
[05:59:22] <jthornton> morning
[05:59:50] <jthornton> I saw your pm and you are correct about the css path is wrong working on that
[05:59:57] <Tom_L> k
[06:00:13] <Tom_L> was that the right place to fix the directory path?
[06:00:54] <jthornton> index_path = os.path.join(LOG_FOLDER, channel, 'index.html')
[06:01:08] <jthornton> is the correct line and your correct the variable was not needed anymore
[06:01:16] <Tom_L> right, i didn't change that yet
[06:01:25] <Tom_L> just wanted to try it and ask
[06:02:04] <jthornton> I usually use a variable when it makes the line shorter or less that 80 char wide with the constant it is not needed
[07:19:28] <IchGucksLive> hi from a sunny cold germany
[07:20:43] <IchGucksLive> icy road this morning
[07:20:57] <IchGucksLive> back some houreres ;-)
[07:22:09] <jthornton> Tom_L: ok give it a try, two files have been updated this morning
[07:30:49] <Tom_L> i can check it later todya
[09:53:26] <pink_vampire|2> hi
[09:57:14] <pink_vampire> hi
[09:58:42] <Vq> Greetings
[10:05:10] <IchGucksLive> hi
[10:06:20] <IchGucksLive> so it is xmal all over the world as no posts today or just getting started
[10:06:32] <IchGucksLive> pink_vampire: how many bitbreaks today
[10:06:50] <pink_vampire> zero
[10:07:25] <pink_vampire> i'm trying to make calibration mechanism to a stage
[10:08:09] <pink_vampire> i want to be able to tilt it about 1deg on the x and y
[10:08:28] <pink_vampire> and after the calibration to be able to lock it
[10:13:04] <kb8wmc> IchGucksLive: good day
[10:13:11] <IchGucksLive> :-
[10:13:40] <Jymmmm> Oh yeah baby... (see github link for updates) http://www.admin-magazine.com/News/Zero-Day-UEFI-Exploit-Affecting-Lenovo-HP-and-Gigabyte-Laptops
[10:23:10] <IchGucksLive> till later
[11:04:26] <JT-Shop> in Canada if you get a package from the US do you have to sign for it everytime?
[11:17:36] <FinboySlick> Well I just did and had to. It wasn't from USPS though.
[11:18:32] <FinboySlick> I'm not sure if our beloved Queen has decreed anything about the obligation to sign US packages.
[11:19:40] <CaptHindsight> I check the box for "official wax seal" if available
[11:39:06] <JT-Shop> a customer had CP try and deliver once then no note nothing
[11:43:44] <CaptHindsight> I had a package come to me that required a signature and the postman entered the wrong info on their handheld PC....
[11:44:23] <Jymmmm> CaptHindsight: "official wax seal".... you aint that special ;)
[11:44:25] <CaptHindsight> it was supposedly left with my military officers at my guard station
[11:44:29] <SpeedEvil> :)
[11:45:54] <CaptHindsight> but since all postal workers have GPS in their vehicles the manager was able to tell me exactly where the box was within ~50ft down the road
[11:47:25] <Jymmmm> CaptHindsight: So, where was it?
[11:47:48] <CaptHindsight> Jymmmm: in the truck about a block over
[11:48:03] <Jymmmm> in the mail truck... still ?
[11:48:04] <CaptHindsight> truck/van
[11:48:17] <Jymmmm> lovely
[11:48:30] <CaptHindsight> yeah, I drove up asked about it and she handed me the box
[11:48:39] <Jymmmm> lol
[11:48:56] <CaptHindsight> the post office around here will even give me their cell phone numbers
[11:49:22] <CaptHindsight> it's better than Fedex and UPS
[11:49:44] <Jymmmm> around here the postal vehicles are privately owned 4x4 jeeps
[11:50:37] <CaptHindsight> we have those as well
[11:51:44] <CaptHindsight> Jymmmm: leased to the USPS?
[11:51:51] <SpeedEvil> 'around here the postal vehicles are privately owned 4x4 jeeps' - this self driving vehicle thing has gone further than I thought.
[11:52:33] <Jymmmm> CaptHindsight: I was told that it's privatly owned by the postal worker
[11:52:46] <CaptHindsight> http://blog.caranddriver.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/174749063-626x458.jpg what they mostly use around here
[11:52:48] <Jymmmm> as she had to do repairs on it (replace headlamp)
[11:53:33] <Jymmmm> It's a jeep with a magnetic sign on the door amd a spare tire cover with "FREQUENT STOPS" on it
[11:54:14] <Jymmmm> CaptHindsight: like this http://l7.alamy.com/zooms/09ae61565a914035a56ecdd497c202a6/privately-owned-jeep-carrying-us-mail-in-rural-areas-hurricane-mills-c5r1fd.jpg
[11:54:19] <CaptHindsight> http://www.jeep-cj.com/forums/attachments/f49/5957d1310877047-pictures-unusual-jeep-cjs-mailjeep_dj5_jeeprod2.jpg cute, with mailbox induction
[12:18:33] <ToddZ> Up until very recently most rural USPS cariers used their own personal vehicles for mail delivery.
[12:19:37] <JT-Shop> around here they still use their personal vehicles and boy are they junk
[12:21:24] <ToddZ> When I was a kid ours liked to drive an IH Scout. but the last couple of decades ordinary cars.
[12:23:21] <ToddZ> But the last 6 months or so it's been a little USPS van like the one pictured above.
[12:38:17] <IchGucksLive> hi
[13:00:32] <IchGucksLive> 24 euronen
[13:28:02] <IchGucksLive> Gn8
[13:28:12] <IchGucksLive> one day to go
[13:28:19] <IchGucksLive> for this years main work
[14:00:18] * JT-Shop ponders how to grip a round screw head that has .010" diameter variations with a parallel jaw gripper
[14:01:40] <cradek> boiling in alum and water will rust the screw away and leave the brass intact
[14:02:12] <cradek> oh sorry I read it as .010 diameter
[14:02:49] <JT-Shop> yea, I need to grip the screw head and pull on it to see if the keeper is installed the right way rount
[14:02:53] <JT-Shop> round even
[14:04:25] <FloppyDisk525> CaptHindsight (and others): Did anyone much smarter than me ever get the laser rastering to work? A hackerspace I belong to they're unhappy w/ the several year old ChinaCo XYZ Jinan laser controller. They're looking at smoothieboard, something else. I prefer LCNC...
[14:05:03] <FloppyDisk525> I recall the p wallace conversations how the FPGA had 'just enough' speed to do it...
[14:05:27] <FloppyDisk525> But, seemed pretty much not nailed down, if I recall.
[14:07:51] <CaptHindsight> FloppyDisk525: I'm not working with rastering yet, just vector for the time being
[14:08:31] <FloppyDisk525> To be clear - vector as in 'cutting' and not rastering an image on the material.
[14:08:35] <CaptHindsight> but.... what type of mirror system does the ChinaCo laser use? Galvo or cartesian?
[14:08:44] <FloppyDisk525> Cartesian...
[14:09:15] <CaptHindsight> cartesian is slow
[14:09:16] <FloppyDisk525> It's your standard 80W CO2 900mm x 600mm cut area w/ adjustable Z axis and honeycomb bed.
[14:09:57] <FloppyDisk525> Here's the laser, if you're interested, but I'm sure you've seen it 100x. http://wiki.acemonstertoys.org/Laser_Cutter
[14:10:12] <CaptHindsight> I'm working with galvos. I can raster scan or vector move.
[14:11:12] <CaptHindsight> vector = free X and Y moves from any spot to any spot
[14:11:17] <FloppyDisk525> I've followed your post and I just love the galvos... I saw these guys: http://www.dpss-lasers.com/ At a trade show and immediately thought of you.
[14:11:45] <FloppyDisk525> They're a small company integrating them onto manu lines, sounds too easy. Not sure what laser they used.
[14:11:58] <CaptHindsight> raster scan = scan like a crt, full X scans from left to right and top to bottom
[14:12:43] <FloppyDisk525> Right - I believe you need that to 'laser' or etch an image in wood, anodized/painted metal, acrylic, etc...
[14:12:52] <FloppyDisk525> Need raster.
[14:13:09] <CaptHindsight> either can cut, etch, sinter etc
[14:13:33] <CaptHindsight> raster would be really slow on a cartesian system
[14:13:38] <CaptHindsight> just like a spindle
[14:14:11] <CaptHindsight> with vector on a galvo it can move hundreds of times a second
[14:14:54] <CaptHindsight> as I recall they worked on that rasterizer to burn images with a laser into wood and similar materials
[14:14:54] <FloppyDisk525> Yes it would, but I'm assuming that's how these cartesian lasers do it... Unless you have a galvo system, but I don't think the big box chinaco lasers have those?? Unless it's an attachment and then what about focus...
[14:15:13] <FloppyDisk525> cartesian simply scan...
[14:15:17] <CaptHindsight> the cheapos are all cartesian
[14:15:19] <FloppyDisk525> slowly...
[14:15:21] <FloppyDisk525> yup.
[14:15:39] <FloppyDisk525> Thanks for the help.
[14:15:42] <CaptHindsight> but they can rater scan or vector move
[14:15:50] <CaptHindsight> rater=raster
[14:16:25] <CaptHindsight> they had some issues with turning the laser on and off with vector moves
[14:17:26] <CaptHindsight> using M-67 and M-68
[14:18:10] <CaptHindsight> or M-62 - M-65
[14:18:32] <CaptHindsight> "The actual change of the specified outputs will happen at the beginning of the next motion command. If there is no subsequent motion command, the queued output changes won’t happen. It’s best to always program a motion G code (G0, G1, etc) right after the M62/63."
[14:18:52] <CaptHindsight> "M64 & M65 happen immediately as they are received by the motion controller. They are not synchronized with movement, and they will break blending."
[14:19:58] <CaptHindsight> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gcode/m-code.html#mcode:m62
[14:22:01] <CaptHindsight> FloppyDisk525: what you want are vector moves with synchronized digital out
[14:22:34] <CaptHindsight> vectors cartesian control and the digital outs for turning the laser ON/OFF or PWM the laser
[14:22:45] <FloppyDisk525> Dumb Q: I can raster that way?
[14:23:14] <FloppyDisk525> I understand the vecotr w/ the synchorized dig out - so the answer should be yes ^.
[14:23:34] <CaptHindsight> it will produce a raster without performing a raster scan
[14:24:13] <CaptHindsight> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raster_scan
[14:24:47] <CaptHindsight> what you want are vector moves like an oscilloscope vs CRT TV
[14:25:02] <FloppyDisk525> got it...
[14:25:12] <CaptHindsight> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vector_monitor
[14:25:41] <FloppyDisk525> But, my vector moves would have a variable laser output depending on the 'depth' of the backness of the scan.
[14:25:53] <CaptHindsight> you can PWM the laser
[14:25:57] <FloppyDisk525> scan = image.
[14:26:16] <FloppyDisk525> Or, to your point on/off really fast w/ a little more 'on' for darker images.
[14:26:18] <CaptHindsight> and/or slow and speed up the rate that the laser moves
[14:26:24] <FloppyDisk525> images - pixels/spots
[14:26:47] <CaptHindsight> yes longer duty cycle = darker spots
[14:27:00] <CaptHindsight> or slower scan rate = darker spots
[14:27:20] <FloppyDisk525> Mechanically would seem to be a lot of 'jerking' around... I think varying the laser power would be the way to go.
[14:27:43] <CaptHindsight> combo of each
[14:28:26] <CaptHindsight> the burning/dark spots is a function of energy and time, joules
[14:28:46] <CaptHindsight> it's not linear
[14:29:11] <CaptHindsight> so say 10% duty cycle is not 10% dark
[14:29:36] <CaptHindsight> 99% = black and 60% may be very light grey
[14:29:56] <FloppyDisk525> Makes sense, but you could either make a non linear equation or look up table (for certain materials) and go that route.
[14:30:10] <CaptHindsight> <30% no perceptible change in appearance
[14:30:16] <FloppyDisk525> equation shouldn't be that hard, but famous last words...
[14:30:19] <CaptHindsight> yeah
[14:30:28] <CaptHindsight> it's non-linear
[14:30:38] <CaptHindsight> where the fun is
[14:31:00] <FloppyDisk525> :-)
[14:31:23] <FloppyDisk525> would love to make this work, just don't have the time grrr...
[14:31:40] <CaptHindsight> I'll be on this after new years
[14:33:35] <FloppyDisk525> awesome - I have a 7i92 on the shelf for future project, maybe if i get time I'll start messing w/ it... it has the fpga...
[14:46:42] <CaptHindsight> I have the same plus 7i77's and 7i76's
[14:47:25] <CaptHindsight> and an assortment of fpga pci/pcie cards
[14:49:04] <CaptHindsight> FloppyDisk525: I bet it can run from a LPT for the steppers and use PWM for the laser
[14:52:36] <FloppyDisk525> Capt - you're saying steppers step and dir from a standard parallel port and PWM from FPGA (7i92, 5i25, etc)
[14:53:37] <FloppyDisk525> Why not whole thing from 7i92? and either 7i76 w/ a PWM from the fpga or dig output?
[15:03:26] <skunkworks> for normal vector that should work.. but for engraving - you would need to sync the pwm with the motion which isn't possible at the moment.
[15:03:40] <skunkworks> (in the fpga)
[15:34:13] <FloppyDisk525> skunkworks - couldn't you tie the pwm to a z-axis value or 'other axis' value that would be generated by your CAM or laser interpreter software - whatever that is... It'd be some sort of text file that you could write a script program to adjust - possibly?
[15:35:01] <FloppyDisk525> You could take the raster (vecotr / raster) output from some generator and massage that accordingly?
[15:47:12] <FloppyDisk525> Hmmm, I'm thinking of the gcode and it would be some 'long' move in X and no move in Y, then along X you vary the PWM as it moves. I suppose based on the feedrate (what about override?) you would have a laser profile for that move...
[16:11:25] <Deejay> gn8
[16:59:07] <SpeedEvil> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C0JIEOyXUAEfOdu.jpg:large
[17:05:23] <BeachBumPete> Kewl... my new meter arrived today. It is actually pretty decent so far..
[17:07:49] <SpeedEvil> I bought a meter a few years ago. Great surgeon, but I do occasionally trip over it.
[17:08:14] <Tom_L> BeachBumPete a fluke?
[17:08:37] <BeachBumPete> no I did not want to pay that much ;)
[17:09:04] <Tom_L> pay it once for life
[17:09:35] <BeachBumPete> http://www.ebay.com/itm/272428014708 This is the one I got
[17:09:42] <BeachBumPete> its kinda neat
[17:09:42] <Tom_L> i've got a few cheap meters i've blown out too
[17:09:59] <BeachBumPete> my other meter is a piece of shit and I got tired of it
[17:10:34] <BeachBumPete> this thing measures basically everything and has a backlit display, non contact voltage sensing, temperature, AC/DC current metering etc. etc.
[17:10:39] <Tom_L> i got a cheap one a while back that did something my fluke didn't do but i don't remember what it was now :D
[17:10:53] <BeachBumPete> it even can turn on the backlit display with a sound from you can make
[17:11:01] <Tom_L> it did measure temperature too
[17:11:21] <BeachBumPete> it is also auto ranging which is kind of nice. but it can be manual too
[17:11:25] <Tom_L> yeah
[17:11:33] <Tom_L> saves blowing out a meter
[17:11:41] <BeachBumPete> sure
[17:11:58] <BeachBumPete> even the leads are pretty nice.
[17:12:54] <BeachBumPete> I like that it is backlit I can't tell you how many times I was trying to measure something inside that electronics cabinet and could not see the damn numbers on the meter too well
[17:13:12] <BeachBumPete> most importantly the last meter did not have diode check sound signal
[17:13:32] <BeachBumPete> very useful for ringing wires and poking around
[17:13:49] <Tom_L> yeah my fluke has that
[17:14:01] <Tom_L> i use it for continuity all the time
[17:14:29] <BeachBumPete> every meter I ever had has had it except that piece of shit I just replaced.
[17:15:08] <BeachBumPete> honestly the only thing so far about it that I can point at that is not great is the little flip up stand on the back
[17:15:16] <BeachBumPete> it at least LOOKS kinda flimsy
[17:15:22] <Nick-Shop> can you turn back light off to conserve battery?
[17:15:23] <BeachBumPete> have not tried it yet
[17:15:44] <BeachBumPete> yeah actually you can whistle or make a noise and turn it on for 12 seconds
[17:16:03] <BeachBumPete> or you can turn it on continually until the meter auto shutoff kicks in
[17:16:16] <BeachBumPete> you press and hold the hold button and it stays on
[17:16:31] <BeachBumPete> it is actually quite bright
[17:16:51] <BeachBumPete> the auto voltage sensing seems to work well just goofing with an outlet here
[17:17:28] <Nick-Shop> now I see it - further down in the ad
[17:18:34] <BeachBumPete> don't get me wrong it is a chinese 30 dollar meter here but so far I like it.
[17:27:52] <MacGalempsy> hey BeachBumPete how are the tactical rails coming along?
[17:28:21] <BeachBumPete> they are pretty much done... just a couple more little things to do and I will send them out for anodize
[17:28:34] <BeachBumPete> or are you referring to the prototype ones?
[17:28:46] <MacGalempsy> just in general
[17:30:01] <Tom_L> zlogcalendar
[17:30:01] <zlogcalendar> Tom_L: Today's Log http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:82/~tom-itx/irc/logs/#linuxcnc/2016-12-20.html
[17:30:20] <Tom_L> JT-Shop, still goes to the root directory
[17:30:57] <JT-Shop2> and no css for you
[17:31:12] <JT-Shop2> did it copy the css files to the logs directory?
[17:31:18] <Tom_L> and no AM PM in the time since you're using 12hr format
[17:31:24] <Tom_L> no
[17:31:52] <Tom_L> all of them?
[17:31:57] <JT-Shop2> I was wondering if it could or not in a server, just manually copy the three css files to the log directory
[17:32:11] <JT-Shop2> prob a permissions issue
[17:32:13] <Tom_L> i can but i don't want them public
[17:32:37] <Tom_L> and if i put them there they will be
[17:32:54] <JT-Shop2> is http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:82/~tom-itx/irc/ public?
[17:32:56] <Tom_L> you're gonna need a full path to that stuff i'm afraid
[17:33:10] <Tom_L> yes
[17:33:11] <JT-Shop2> easy enough to do
[17:33:26] <Tom_L> it's in front of the public_html or you wouldn't be able to see it
[17:33:53] <JT-Shop2> I see the problem in the link it's # and should be %23
[17:34:04] <Tom_L> i just don't see why it's going to the root directory instead of the proper log file
[17:34:13] <JT-Shop2> the #
[17:34:14] <Tom_L> i wondered about that too
[17:34:26] <JT-Shop2> easy fix in the am
[17:34:49] <Tom_L> do you know the line that's in?
[17:35:14] <Tom_L> something to do with channel
[17:36:25] <JT-Shop2> line 264 is wrong
[17:36:54] <JT-Shop2> event.target() needs to be formatted
[17:38:16] <JT-Shop2> can you make an issue for me, I can't remember my password and I'm trying to finish up the OSB
[17:38:33] <Tom_L> i'm in no rush
[17:38:47] <Tom_L> i'll just mention line 264.. is that enough?
[17:39:20] <Tom_L> your password isn't 'password' ???
[17:40:05] <MacGalempsy> no its password123
[17:40:24] <Tom_L> ahh that's right! they require numbers too..
[17:40:58] <MacGalempsy> anyone see that giant avatar robot the south koreans built?
[17:41:53] <JT-Shop2> yea
[17:42:09] <MacGalempsy> looks like some sweet machine work
[17:44:33] <MacGalempsy> holy crap. San Quintin has HAASs
[17:44:37] <MacGalempsy> all over the place now
[17:44:46] <Tom_L> JT-Shop, when I create the channel array, i don't need to put the %23 there do I?
[17:44:56] <Tom_L> on each channel
[17:45:17] <Tom_L> probably done somewhere else in the formatting...
[17:46:32] <Tom_L> JT-Shop, wouldn't the css files need to be in the public area so the pages can load them?
[17:47:09] <Tom_L> just mark them as readonly
[17:49:15] <JT-Shop2> yea the css needs to be somewhere the html can find them
[17:49:35] <Tom_L> i'll move them to the root log folder then
[17:49:48] <JT-Shop2> python array not in the same sentence lol
[17:50:27] <Tom_L> if it looks like an array, if it smells like an array....
[17:50:30] <JT-Shop2> Tom_L: I need to change line 264 to replace the # with %23
[17:50:32] <JT-Shop2> lol
[17:50:36] <Tom_L> ok
[17:51:04] <Tom_L> do you know what chmod i should set them to?
[17:51:07] <JT-Shop2> anyhow I got the east, north, west walls done
[17:51:12] <Tom_L> iirc 755 might be ok
[17:51:38] <JT-Shop2> right now the htmls look for the css in the log directory
[17:51:45] <Tom_L> ok
[17:51:51] <Tom_L> that's where they'll be then
[17:51:59] <JT-Shop2> heading for the warm shop now
[17:53:13] <Tom_L> yeah they're owner read/write the rest readonly
[17:54:05] <Tom_L> ooo pretty :D
[17:56:37] <JT-Shop> got it working?
[17:56:44] <Tom_L> the css yes
[17:57:16] <Tom_L> none of the old log files will use it though
[17:57:48] <JT-Shop> I'm working on a script to change them
[17:57:53] <Tom_L> nice
[17:57:55] <JT-Shop> and fix the back link
[17:58:21] <Tom_L> i have plenty of em for you to test on
[17:58:52] <Tom_L> the early ones were multicolor not just red
[17:59:08] <JT-Shop> what I'm thinking is to copy a python script into each directory you want to fix, run it once then delete
[17:59:38] <BeachBumPete> back again ;)
[17:59:39] <Tom_L> this server is all test anyway so i can do that
[17:59:40] <JT-Shop> once you start using css instead of inline style you change one file and they all change
[17:59:52] <Tom_L> i know
[17:59:56] <Tom_L> i use it on my website
[18:00:02] <JT-Shop> still wondering why it didn't copy the css files
[18:02:33] <Roguish> JT-Shop: pics of the new shop ????
[18:02:59] <BeachBumPete> jeez man that avatar robot is SICK!!
[18:04:24] <JT-Shop> just took a couple let me upload them
[18:04:53] <JT-Shop> Tom_L: try this on line 264
[18:05:09] <JT-Shop> log_url = os.path.join(LOG_LOCATION, event.target().replace('#','%23', date)
[18:07:36] <Tom_L> hah mexico city fireworks plant went off
[18:07:47] <JT-Shop> did some computer swapping got to get gimp setup
[18:08:22] <Tom_L> ok try it now
[18:08:24] <JT-Shop> lol gimp works better on windoze than linux anymore
[18:08:42] <Tom_L> zlogcalendar
[18:08:42] <zlogcalendar> Tom_L: Today's Log http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:82/~tom-itx/irc/logs/#linuxcnc/2016-12-20.html
[18:08:54] <Tom_L> still has the #
[18:09:14] <JT-Shop> did you change the line and restart it?
[18:09:19] <Tom_L> hang on
[18:09:28] <Tom_L> i'll not disclose what happened :D
[18:09:35] <BeachBumPete> http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/secret-terrifying-13-foot-avatar-9484188
[18:10:43] <Tom_L> invalid syntax
[18:10:56] <JT-Shop> it was a guess lol
[18:11:08] <CaptHindsight> FloppyDisk525: might be of interest https://forum.linuxcnc.org/forum/38-general-linuxcnc-questions/30327-laser-control-by-spindle-pwm
[18:11:20] <Tom_L> error not on that line
[18:11:27] <Tom_L> 266 starting with log =
[18:11:37] <dioz> so
[18:11:43] <dioz> someone tell me what happs to the freons
[18:11:47] <dioz> i mean it gets heated
[18:11:50] <dioz> then it cools itself?
[18:11:59] <FloppyDisk525> CaptHindsight - looking now.
[18:12:05] <dioz> how does it go from being hot to being freezing cold
[18:12:11] <dioz> can i inhale the shit>
[18:12:12] <dioz> ?
[18:12:46] <Tom_L> state change
[18:13:07] <Tom_L> water, ice, vapor...
[18:13:08] <MacGalempsy> BeachBumPete: that is the bot I was talking about earlier
[18:13:16] <roycroft> there is a *lot* of energy involved in changing matter from one state to another
[18:13:35] <BeachBumPete> that's one helluva bot man
[18:13:36] <roycroft> that's why steam at 101c will burn you so much worse than water at 100c
[18:13:46] <roycroft> it takes a huge amount of energy to change water from a liquid to a gas
[18:14:21] <MacGalempsy> yeah. I want one
[18:14:37] <MacGalempsy> but without a cord
[18:14:41] <BeachBumPete> can you imagine how much it cost to build that
[18:15:16] <MacGalempsy> I want to see it carry a 20mm gun
[18:15:28] <BeachBumPete> I don't ;)
[18:15:36] <JT-Shop> Roguish: I can't remember how to set up filezilla... lots of pc swapping been going on
[18:15:50] <dioz> but what i'm sayin is.... why does the freons get so cold when you change it from liquid to gas?
[18:16:37] <dioz> shit's hateful
[18:16:45] <dioz> so much hate it gettin right cold
[18:17:23] <MacGalempsy> I wonder what actual purposes it has that dont involve violence?
[18:18:04] <BeachBumPete> I would think something more like the loader from Aliens would be a better build
[18:18:21] <MacGalempsy> maybe mining?
[18:18:42] <MacGalempsy> handling 3joints of drillpipe?
[18:19:08] <Tom_L> JT-Shop, i may have fixed it
[18:19:26] <Tom_L> zlogcalendar
[18:19:35] <Tom_L> hah didn't like that
[18:20:15] <Tom_L> zlogcalendar
[18:20:15] <JT-Shop> opened for me
[18:20:27] <Tom_L> wrong url
[18:20:32] <Tom_L> that's the old bot
[18:20:37] <FloppyDisk525> CaptHindSight: Looks like they've DONE it! M67. Matter of playing w/ it and then using the post processor to 'put' the laser intensity into the m67 value.
[18:20:39] <Tom_L> the other one died
[18:20:52] <FloppyDisk525> Thank you! :-)
[18:21:16] <JT-Shop> Roguish: http://gnipsel.com/images/equipment-shed/
[18:21:27] <JT-Shop> yesterday http://gnipsel.com/images/equipment-shed/e-shed-28.jpg
[18:21:36] <Tom_L> JT-Shop, typeerror an integer is required
[18:21:53] <dioz> i had the total wrong idea about how air conditioning worked boys
[18:21:57] <dioz> do i ever feel like a twat
[18:22:13] <JT-Shop> Tom_L: I'll look at in the am
[18:22:15] <dioz> up until yesterday i figured air conditioning worked way different than it goes
[18:22:15] <MacGalempsy> like the canon
[18:22:24] <Tom_L> JT-Shop np, i was just messin..
[18:22:35] <JT-Shop> MacGalempsy: I made two of them
[18:22:47] <JT-Shop> log
[18:22:50] <dioz> nice log
[18:23:27] <MacGalempsy> those pics make it look like the shop is getting filled up pretty quick
[18:23:38] <JT-Shop> http://gnipsel.com/images/log-arch/
[18:24:02] <JT-Shop> yea, it's full till I get it organized a bit
[18:26:49] * JT-Shop listens to Joni Mitchell then heads inside
[18:29:54] <KimK_laptop> join ##freedos
[18:30:08] <JT-Shop> forgot /
[18:30:11] <KimK_laptop> Oops, sorry
[18:30:17] <JT-Shop> lol
[18:30:57] <JT-Shop> slash j works too
[18:37:09] <Roguish> JT-Shop: very nice. shop. huge.
[18:39:58] <SpeedEvil> JT-Shop: teeny shop is teeny. https://youtu.be/MlreBMHvZ7c?t=58
[18:40:25] <SpeedEvil> :)
[18:46:18] <Tom_L> zlogcalendar
[18:46:18] <zlogcalendar> Tom_L: Today's Log http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:82/~tom-itx/irc/logs/%23linuxcnc2016-12-20.html
[18:48:28] <Tom_L> zlogcalendar
[18:48:28] <zlogcalendar> Tom_L: Today's Log http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:82/~tom-itx/irc/logs/%23linuxcnc/2016-12-20.html
[18:48:47] <Tom_L> JT-Shop, i think that's it
[19:12:53] <Duc_mobile> anyone know if you can view the parameters in a G-code loop?
[19:26:28] <jdh> you could (DEBUG,blah) them
[19:31:16] <CaptHindsight> the robot will just be used for public relations and minor parking violations :)
[19:53:59] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haXvp8M9Cog Blade Runner 2049
[19:55:56] <BeachBumPete> man I sincerely hope they don't destroy that movie. It is an absolute classic...
[19:56:18] <CaptHindsight> yeah, was a bit surprised by Gosling being cast
[19:59:28] <zeeshan> man i think ill be in nevada for a couple weeks
[19:59:29] <zeeshan> for work
[19:59:35] <zeeshan> its a frigging awesome place it looks like
[19:59:39] <zeeshan> a desert with lots of mines!
[19:59:57] <CaptHindsight> and a few gambling towns
[20:00:14] <zeeshan> hehe
[20:00:17] <zeeshan> they mine the gold
[20:00:19] <zeeshan> and spend it all!
[20:05:21] <MacGalempsy> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMqETeQrgqU
[20:05:35] <MacGalempsy> the first one was wicked
[20:05:46] <BeachBumPete> man I need some new 3/8 ball endmills...
[20:06:18] <zeeshan> BeachBumPete: for aluminum?
[20:07:00] <BeachBumPete> yeah
[20:07:38] <tiwake> BeachBumPete: maritool
[20:07:42] <tiwake> \o/
[20:08:33] <BeachBumPete> fer sure
[20:08:41] <zeeshan> try looking at imco streaker series
[20:08:43] <zeeshan> they arent too much money
[20:08:46] <zeeshan> and really good
[20:08:59] <BeachBumPete> might try some of the Z7's stuff
[20:09:26] <zeeshan> z7?
[20:09:35] <tiwake> BeachBumPete: https://www.maritool.com/Cutting-Tools-End-Mills-Ball-End-Mills-3-Flute-High-Helix-for-Aluminum/c78_79_119_358/p16063/3/8-3-Flute-Carbide-Ball-End-Mill-SE-38-Deg-Helix-.875-loc-ZrN/product_info.html
[20:09:58] <BeachBumPete> beauty
[20:10:05] <tiwake> I really like the quality of maritool stuff
[20:10:25] <zeeshan> that is a chinese end mill!
[20:10:30] <tiwake> and competitive price, made in USA
[20:10:46] <zeeshan> the ones not labelled from what i remember were made in china
[20:10:49] <zeeshan> according to their forum post
[20:11:22] <tiwake> what are you talking about
[20:11:47] <zeeshan> their tools arent all made in usa
[20:11:53] <zeeshan> the ones that say are made in usa
[20:12:01] <tiwake> linky or it didnt happen
[20:12:49] <tiwake> cause none of them say are made in USA
[20:12:54] <tiwake> but they are
[20:14:12] <Duc_mobile> jdh: not something people usually watch?
[20:14:18] <tiwake> zeeshan: I've bought endmills and tool holders from them before...
[20:16:08] <zeeshan> tiwake: http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/cnc-machining/maritool-oh-my-159315/
[20:16:15] <zeeshan> "Thanks for the compliments guys. Right now about half of my items are made in my shop and the rest is made for me in Germany. I really wish I can make it all myself but I just dont have the capacity. I am hoping in a year or two I can proudly say all items are made in the USA. I plan on getting into Capto in the next year or two. I see a lot on potential."
[20:16:21] <zeeshan> :P
[20:16:31] <zeeshan> im pretty damn sure i read somewhere else some of them are made in china
[20:16:55] <CaptHindsight> High Quality Tools :) http://hqtinc.com/
[20:18:07] <tiwake> zeeshan: back in 2008? that was 8 years ago... maybe they upgraded their machining capacity
[20:18:13] <tiwake> to keep up with demand
[20:18:19] <zeeshan> shrug
[20:18:31] <zeeshan> i've tried his end mills
[20:18:41] <zeeshan> theyre OK
[20:20:35] <jdh> Duc_Mobile: I have had no need to do so, so I don't really know.
[20:21:14] <CaptHindsight> https://carbonfibergear.com/products/carbon-fiber-toilet-seat
[20:22:26] <Duc_mobile> would suck when it wears down
[20:23:03] <CaptHindsight> here's the whole toilet in CF http://www.ebay.com/itm/Carbon-fiber-toilet-seat-with-flush-system-/131888215899
[20:24:48] <zeeshan> tiwake: i've seen latest videos of his shop
[20:24:51] <zeeshan> from a year back
[20:24:55] <zeeshan> he was making some of his own tool holders
[20:25:01] <zeeshan> i didn't see a tool grinding machine
[20:25:37] <zeeshan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNL9PipLEOs
[20:25:40] <zeeshan> orange vise made a video
[20:25:47] <zeeshan> i diidnt see a single tool grinder!
[20:25:58] <zeeshan> but you go into shear hog's facility
[20:26:01] <zeeshan> tool grinders everywhere :d
[20:27:33] <tiwake> different locations?
[20:27:35] <CaptHindsight> I once got an R8-jacobs adapter from Shars that was ~0.1" off center
[20:27:40] <zeeshan> nope
[20:27:42] <zeeshan> they got one location
[20:27:56] <zeeshan> you can follow fmari's instagram
[20:28:53] <zeeshan> https://www.google.ca/maps/place/242+Beinoris+Dr,+Wood+Dale,+IL+60191,+USA/@41.975975,-87.9731997,247m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x880fb3d4aab9630d:0xd852e17e5e0c8a9a!8m2!3d41.9762376!4d-87.9726303?hl=en
[20:28:55] <zeeshan> their location
[20:29:58] <jdh> what is a corner radius end mill
[20:30:06] <zeeshan> one with a corner radius :D
[20:30:12] <jdh> for what?
[20:30:17] <cradek> castings
[20:30:18] <zeeshan> what do you mean for what
[20:30:18] <CaptHindsight> ^^ not far from me
[20:30:21] <Kevin`> jdh: the sharp point of the square of a square end mill
[20:30:21] <zeeshan> when you do pockets
[20:30:22] <tiwake> for crack resistance
[20:30:24] <zeeshan> you dont want a sharp corner
[20:30:32] <zeeshan> you can also use them for profiling
[20:30:35] <zeeshan> over using a ball nose
[20:30:44] <zeeshan> 3d profiling
[20:30:51] <jdh> cool.
[20:30:59] <tiwake> you can use whatever you want for profiling
[20:31:15] <zeeshan> ??
[20:31:16] <tiwake> my favorite kind of profiling uses a 1911 pistol
[20:31:24] <zeeshan> its less pass w/ ball/bull nose
[20:31:29] <zeeshan> vs square
[20:31:33] <zeeshan> cause of scallop
[20:31:45] <CaptHindsight> http://www.hartlandtool.com/products.htm
[21:41:20] <CaptHindsight> Nima: LCNC doesn't generate G-code
[21:41:46] <CaptHindsight> Nima: LCNC may be used to control a robot arm
[21:42:09] <Tom_L> lcnc gobbles up gcode like pacman
[21:42:28] <CaptHindsight> nom nom nom
[21:44:08] <CaptHindsight> https://www.google.com/search?q=pacman&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8#clb=clb
[21:46:38] <Tom_L> Game Over
[21:52:08] <CaptHindsight> I used to repair those arcade games but I never liked playing them
[21:55:33] <Wolf_> heh, I did that for a while as well, but repair usually was swapping out microswitches
[21:56:32] <CaptHindsight> for about a year I was the US warranty service center for the monitors inside
[21:57:15] <Wolf_> I worked at a adult arcade (Jillian
[21:57:22] <Wolf_> 's
[21:57:53] <Wolf_> like 96 games on the floor plus 12 lane bowling ally, worked on repair for both
[21:59:43] <CaptHindsight> we would get a truckload of machines at a time that failed the warranty
[22:00:00] <CaptHindsight> usually bad convergence
[22:00:01] <Wolf_> wow lol
[22:00:22] <CaptHindsight> maybe 5% need parts/soldering
[22:02:38] <CaptHindsight> http://www.hometheatershack.com/forums/attachments/diy-repair-maintenance/6309d1203390842-crt-based-rptv-convergence-repairs-img_3989_cropped2.jpg
[22:03:21] <CaptHindsight> the adjustment rings coun;t compensate so we would hot melt small magnets on the neck of the tube under the yolk
[22:03:34] <CaptHindsight> coun;t/couldn't
[22:04:50] <Wolf_> I don’t think I ever saw that, but I only did that job for a year as well, mostly broke buttons and wires yanked out of the games with the guns
[22:06:03] <CaptHindsight> the machines were flawless otherwise, we got them before they ever saw an arcade
[22:06:28] <CaptHindsight> these were DOA or factory rejects
[22:06:36] <Wolf_> nice, I got to deal with them after drunk adults got to them lol
[22:06:47] <CaptHindsight> like payphones
[22:06:53] <CaptHindsight> beat to hell
[22:08:00] <Wolf_> yup
[22:09:13] <CaptHindsight> heh http://www.arcaderepairtips.com/2010/08/25/adjusting-the-convergence-rings/
[22:11:41] <Wolf_> oh, forgot the fun one, fixing the damn wave runner game after fat people… had to weld the frame on it twice
[22:12:25] <CaptHindsight> haha
[22:13:31] <CaptHindsight> for some reason we had all the big players, Bally, Taito, Williams etc
[22:14:18] <Wolf_> also triggered the smoke detection system in the tech room with a fog machine, during a nation wide general managers conference (which triggered a shutdown of the whole game room) lol
[22:17:19] <CaptHindsight> who still makes a ARM tablet that lets you reflash the firmware?
[22:18:12] <cradek> they cyanogenmod site has flashing instructions for many devices of all ages
[22:18:17] <cradek> the
[22:21:21] <pink_vampire> hi
[22:21:36] <BeachBumPete> Hello
[22:23:30] <pink_vampire> maybe someone can help me.
[22:24:56] <pink_vampire> how is the calibration mechanism work in the tool setter http://d2n4wb9orp1vta.cloudfront.net/resources/images//cdn/cms/MMT_0515_Products_Marposs.jpg
[22:25:09] <pink_vampire> the screws on the bottom
[22:25:44] <BeachBumPete> looks just like the HAAS/renishaw setup
[22:26:27] <pink_vampire> i know
[22:26:44] <Tom_L> http://www.renishaw.com/en/nc4-non-contact-tool-setter--6099
[22:26:51] <Tom_L> someone should come up with one of those
[22:27:30] <pink_vampire> i can make one
[22:28:02] <pink_vampire> i just don't know how to get very fine laser beam
[22:30:18] <pink_vampire> Tom_L: ^
[22:42:52] <CaptHindsight> patents
[22:53:26] <CaptHindsight> http://www.onsemi.com/PowerSolutions/product.do?id=AR1335 + laser and some optics
[22:53:55] <CaptHindsight> would get you +/- 2-3 microns res
[22:54:33] <CaptHindsight> pixel size is 1.1 x 1.1um
[23:09:37] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcswZLwhTUI [OpenCV] Object measurement
[23:14:01] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRxPHlwPndU OpenCV
[23:37:47] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIIctmyQ70Y Measurement of an object by image processing (with funny accents)