#linuxcnc | Logs for 2016-12-19

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[00:00:08] <roycroft> i'm trying to stop cringing every time i see it though
[00:00:12] <roycroft> and i'm having a hard time with that
[00:00:30] <roycroft> if they would just stop it i would not be compelled to cringe
[00:00:31] <Wolf_> just mail them nice tweezer sets
[00:00:46] <roycroft> or a 25% off harbor freight coupon
[00:00:57] <roycroft> so they can afford a $7.99 box of chip brushes
[00:02:01] <roycroft> i was watching one video by a guy who did that who kept saying he was going to "precisely approximate" the layout of his parts
[00:06:41] <XXCoder> trentster: yeah?
[00:07:36] <Wolf_> thats not the way to do things? i aways precisely approximate
[00:08:50] <CaptHindsight> closenoff and goodenoff
[00:09:07] <CaptHindsight> the 2 Russian brothers
[00:41:53] <Flipp_> how would you guys go about fixturing this part: http://i.imgur.com/E9BT7qr.png
[00:42:10] <Flipp_> assuming a 3 axis mill + rectangular stock
[00:42:47] <Flipp_> (assume the back is flat)
[00:44:55] <Wolf_> 1 or many
[00:46:00] <Flipp_> just 1 for now. if I did many I'd probably go with soft jaws (right?)
[00:47:13] <Wolf_> yeah soft jaws for many, for one, might depend on how well you can indicated off the part to re gain a point of reference
[00:47:44] <Flipp_> I wouldn't mind doing two operations (one for front, one for back)
[00:48:06] <Flipp_> I'd have to indicate off of the stock, since just about everything else is round
[00:48:37] <Wolf_> yeah, but, you can’t really on the 2nd op
[00:49:42] <Flipp_> ::nods:: yeah, that's why I'm kinda having a tough time with this one :/
[01:13:21] <archivist> he went.... it is not too hard, no one thinks of a slitting saw last op
[01:49:57] <Wolf_> damn… right
[01:50:07] * Wolf_ makes mental note to forget
[01:50:56] <Wolf_> I didn’t think of doing the part deeper, then slitting it to final size
[01:59:33] <pink_vampire> hii
[01:59:50] <pink_vampire> Wolf_: hi
[02:00:04] <Wolf_> HI!
[02:00:27] <Wolf_> reprap is almost entertaining right now…
[02:00:30] <XXCoder> hey the super pink
[02:01:23] <pink_vampire> as a machinist reprap is always entertaining for me :)
[02:02:01] <Wolf_> how the hell do you expect to set up a 3d printer but can’t even figure out what screws to order to assemble the stupid thing
[02:02:35] <XXCoder> dunno as I ordered a kit lol
[02:02:49] <Wolf_> haha
[02:03:08] <Wolf_> that was my answer as well =D
[02:03:59] <archivist> I worked for a kit supplier, and we had a repair/tune up service, I have seen some horrors
[02:04:20] <Wolf_> lol
[02:04:28] <Wolf_> I can almost imagine
[02:05:10] <pink_vampire> nice amount of hot glue and your printer is good to go
[02:05:43] <Wolf_> I’m thinking re doing my 3d printer with milled alum parts :D
[02:06:19] <XXCoder> nice
[02:06:43] <XXCoder> would be interesting to make wood parts for something like 3d printing
[02:06:52] <XXCoder> wood can be pretty strong for its very light weight
[02:07:03] <pink_vampire> my unforgettable 3d printer experience http://i.imgur.com/HcAB8UU.png
[02:07:24] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: only in one direction...
[02:07:26] <Wolf_> http://i.imgur.com/b8tMHzH.jpg I sorta like mine
[02:07:52] <Wolf_> nice modern art there
[02:08:07] <Wolf_> I won’t do a chair test lol
[02:08:10] <pink_vampire> Wolf_: you actually made parts
[02:08:17] <archivist> in the kitchen! I approve
[02:08:19] <XXCoder> lol yeah really need to tuneup a ;pot
[02:08:29] <pink_vampire> Wolf_: you are a clever guy!
[02:08:34] <XXCoder> Wolf_: do bridge test chair, I dare ya :P
[02:09:08] <Wolf_> lol, nope
[02:09:22] <Wolf_> I usually design parts to avoid bridges
[02:09:35] <Wolf_> but I’m almost always running ABS as well
[02:10:05] <XXCoder> lol ok
[02:10:31] <pink_vampire> ok, then try the bridge test on the mill.
[02:10:43] <Wolf_> lmao
[02:11:19] <Wolf_> that one is tough, unless you have 4/5 axis
[02:12:53] <XXCoder> you have 4 axis mil?
[02:13:01] <XXCoder> make it into 4th axis 3d printer ;)
[02:13:36] <Wolf_> no 4th yet
[02:14:02] <XXCoder> I have seen 5 axis 3d printer
[02:14:05] <XXCoder> pretty amazing
[02:14:25] <XXCoder> it mostly does normal printing then it adds details using rest of axes
[02:15:07] <Wolf_> have been thinking about trying dual extruder
[02:15:18] <XXCoder> 2 hotends or Y type?
[02:15:46] <Wolf_> 2 hot end
[02:15:52] <pink_vampire> archivist: do you know how to limit the number of digits after the decimal point in the debug messages?
[02:15:54] <Wolf_> maybe
[02:16:00] <XXCoder> welcome to tuneup hell
[02:16:16] <XXCoder> if one hotend is too much lower, it would drag on print
[02:16:35] <XXCoder> (as other hotend is being used)
[02:17:16] <Wolf_> good thing I know how to measure things relative to the bed with real metrology tools :D
[02:17:25] <archivist> pink_vampire, I dont care about the resolution
[02:19:29] <pink_vampire> now i'm getting 6 digits after the decimal point, and it make it very annoying to read 2-3 decimal points is much more readable
[02:19:36] <pink_vampire> archivist:
[02:31:44] <Deejay> moin
[02:32:41] <archivist> pink_vampire, remember for debug you generally want ALL the detail
[02:33:41] <pink_vampire> but it's the only way to display parameters, MSG don't work
[02:34:20] <XXCoder> wonder if there is script to alter number display as I know few programming languages do have formatting stuff
[02:34:50] <XXCoder> for example #.#### to have max of 4 sigifcant digits display
[02:36:26] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: this is what I try to find..
[02:37:08] <XXCoder> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/html/config/ini-config.html
[02:37:17] <XXCoder> check out that section. dunno if it applies?
[02:37:26] <archivist> debug is a special case where resolution is needed
[02:50:39] <pink_vampire> archivist: is there another way to display parameters like #1004 other then debug?
[02:51:21] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: i don't see anything related to that in the ini config doc
[02:51:32] <archivist> I dont think so unless you can connect them to a hal pin and then display
[02:51:34] <XXCoder> guess not. oh well
[02:53:40] <archivist> pink_vampire, look at hal meter http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/hal/tools.html
[02:57:49] <pink_vampire> archivist: i want to display the results of math equation from a probing cycle, for example diameter, volume, etc..
[02:58:35] <archivist> you can save them to a file
[02:58:39] <pink_vampire> the dro show 3 digits after the decimal point, the debug show 6.
[02:59:32] <pink_vampire> how do i save them to a file?
[02:59:41] <archivist> the number of digits is the wrong problem to worry about
[03:02:53] <archivist> see the log command http://www.archivist.info/cnc/wormtest/wormtest.ngc
[03:03:16] <pink_vampire> some of the stuff that i want to know is just a ballpark. for example the volume of the stock. 25mm^3 is fine, i dont need 25.359428mm^3
[03:03:48] <archivist> I dont care about resolution
[03:04:25] <archivist> my brain can remove excess info
[03:05:26] <pink_vampire> it's not about resolution, it's just to make it more comfortable to read it.
[03:07:10] <IchGucksLive> good morning from a nit sunny and not winterry Germany
[03:07:29] <pink_vampire> hi IchGucksLive
[03:07:30] <IchGucksLive> JesusAlos: did you got in trouble with all the rain
[03:07:44] <pink_vampire> here is just cold
[03:07:45] <XXCoder> good moring from very dark cold state'
[03:07:48] <IchGucksLive> oh the bitbraker lady is still up
[03:07:57] <IchGucksLive> you need more sleep
[03:08:41] <Wolf_> its 3:40… it should be dark there as well pink, or something isn’t right :P
[03:08:51] <pink_vampire> IchGucksLive: do you know how to limit the number of digits after the decimal point in the debug messages?
[03:08:54] <XXCoder> 12 am here
[03:10:10] <IchGucksLive> debug from LCNC itself or from pyvcp ngcgui or glade ?
[03:11:11] <pink_vampire> (debug, #1004)
[03:11:13] <IchGucksLive> i got 9:40am
[03:11:54] <pink_vampire> i want to get 25.35 not 25.354941
[03:12:06] <IchGucksLive> so it comes from a ngc
[03:13:37] <pink_vampire> i did a g code that use some math, and i want to display the resoles in a readable way
[03:15:50] <pink_vampire> results *
[03:19:16] <pink_vampire> IchGucksLive: ^
[03:19:52] <IchGucksLive> im reding the var out script
[03:24:34] <pink_vampire> I'm not sure what is "the var out script"?
[03:29:50] <IchGucksLive> i need to test this
[03:30:21] <IchGucksLive> see you in the evening
[05:52:31] <Tom_L> 0� f
[06:34:10] <jthornton> morning
[06:34:27] <Deejay> afternoon
[06:34:40] <jthornton> whopping 10F here
[06:47:28] <CaptHindsight> -10F
[07:05:29] <root-x> Please in celsius
[07:08:37] <root-x> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_System_of_Units
[07:08:45] <Deejay> :)
[07:10:21] * jthornton feels warm now
[07:10:32] <_methods> heheh it was 78 here yesterday
[07:10:36] <_methods> i wore shorts to brunch
[07:13:14] <root-x> now here 20ºC
[07:14:14] <_methods> please in F
[07:14:17] <_methods> no one likes C
[07:15:01] <Deejay> :(
[07:15:08] <_methods> lol
[07:15:28] <archivist> I just switched the air con on
[07:15:37] <archivist> heat mode
[07:15:45] <jthornton> yea C has all those pointy things that trip you up
[07:16:53] <Deejay> +6°C
[07:17:58] <gonzo_> the civilised world uses metric. Deg C is far more intuitive
[07:18:29] <Deejay> indeed
[07:18:36] <_methods> when did anywhere besides america become civilized
[07:18:38] <_methods> :)
[07:18:56] <gonzo_> I can use metric and imperial interchangably, but deg F are just wrong!
[07:19:19] <_methods> TEMP FIGHT!!!!!
[07:19:33] <gonzo_> hehe
[07:19:34] <archivist> deg f only work for how warm one feels, else useless
[07:19:47] <_methods> i feel warm
[07:20:14] <gonzo_> nope, I still can't get my head around F, even for environmental
[07:20:17] <archivist> 13.6 C indoors so I feel cold
[07:20:29] <gonzo_> 0deg C it freezez. How simpler can it be
[07:20:53] <gonzo_> (or 'how much more simple', as that last sentence was nasty!)
[07:21:31] <jdh> 100f is hot, 0f is cold
[07:21:37] <_methods> hehe
[07:21:54] <_methods> how much simpler can it be
[07:22:22] <gonzo_> blood temp of an ox?! erm, it's not the 1600's
[07:22:43] <gonzo_> ok, we invented the imperial system. But saw the error of our ways
[07:22:50] <jdh> you have never been to alabama
[07:23:13] <gonzo_> I've heard rumours
[07:23:22] <_methods> hehe
[07:23:32] <_methods> that made me LOL
[07:23:39] <gonzo_> I've also heard frantic moo-ing
[07:24:11] <gonzo_> I will make a stand... Beer must be in pints
[07:24:29] <_methods> everyone has to draw the line somewhere
[07:24:31] <_methods> :)
[07:24:38] <jdh> nothing like consistency
[07:24:44] <gonzo_> but I would conceede if it were to be offered in litres, but it must be hole ones
[07:24:51] <_methods> i honestly don't care what units people use
[07:24:53] <gonzo_> whole
[07:25:12] <_methods> i was just trolling the guy demanding the use of C
[07:25:50] <gonzo_> I was just having fun. Is that different from trolling?
[07:25:52] <jdh> 1 thou is also reasonable for most things
[07:27:28] <gonzo_> my machines are mostly imperial and anything to do with shooting is imperial. So I do work with both. It really upsets people if I give a WxH in mixed units. But if it;s a neater value in a unit, I will use it
[07:29:14] <jdh> are grains imperial?
[07:29:36] <gonzo_> think so
[07:29:41] <gonzo_> 15.4 to the gram
[07:30:16] <jdh> how much is a gram?
[07:30:45] <archivist> at least a barn is metric and I think american :)
[07:31:35] <jdh> yep
[07:32:31] <jdh> and femtobarn
[07:33:12] <Jymmmm> hello
[07:33:21] <_methods> oh dear
[07:33:43] <_methods> there goes the barn
[07:33:59] <archivist> gonzo_, the frogs had an inch too before they went metric
[07:34:46] <Jymmmm> wth, I ping to see when the connection is back up, says timeout, yet I see irc client has reconnected. *sigh*
[07:54:43] <IchGucksLive> hi
[07:56:37] <IchGucksLive> pink_vampire: still on
[07:58:32] <IchGucksLive> Till later !
[08:25:00] <jthornton> Tom_L: paths fixed
[09:08:41] <CaptHindsight> already up to 252 Kelvin here
[09:10:07] * Jymmmm takes a pitchfork and skewers CaptHindsight buttocks... Now, that's smart!
[09:10:22] <gregcnc> kelvin!
[09:10:39] <Jymmmm> gregcnc: Calvin
[09:23:06] <_methods> now that's a sensible system of units
[09:28:44] * Jymmmm smacks _methods with a sensible three handed pair of chopsticks!
[09:29:03] <CaptHindsight> Jymmmm: http://www.rapidtables.com/convert/temperature/how-kelvin-to-fahrenheit.htm
[09:29:20] <gregcnc> lefty chopsticks
[09:29:55] <Jymmmm> gregcnc: I'm thinking more Three boobed martian hooker sorta thing.
[09:29:57] <gregcnc> capt moving shop on this fine chicago day?
[09:30:32] <CaptHindsight> nope, last deal fell through, still hunting
[09:30:45] <gregcnc> oh noes
[09:30:56] <Jymmmm> CaptHindsight: that sucks
[09:31:10] <CaptHindsight> they got too greedy and lazy
[09:31:40] <CaptHindsight> they were supposed to clean and paint, the after still looks like a before
[09:32:24] <CaptHindsight> and wanted more $ etc etc
[09:33:37] <Jymmmm> CaptHindsight: light industrial ?
[09:33:59] <CaptHindsight> industrial industrial
[09:34:16] <CaptHindsight> building is the way to go
[09:34:43] <CaptHindsight> it's like dealing with used car salespeople otherwise
[09:35:10] <Jymmmm> CaptHindsight: Well, if you build a building, make it hexagon! Yu can be 3D print it!!!
[09:35:19] <Jymmmm> s/be/even/
[09:35:47] <CaptHindsight> but I'm not going to stay in the midwest
[09:36:16] <Jymmmm> CaptHindsight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzmCnzA7hnE
[09:38:52] <Jymmmm> I say use the same principals as skyscraper cranes and build an adaptive 3d concrete printer!
[09:40:05] <CaptHindsight> concrete and t-slot
[09:41:18] <Jymmmm> bolt together inserts?
[09:41:50] <CaptHindsight> tilt up concrete and pre-cast is the way to go
[09:42:10] <gregcnc> was going to say precast seems the post practical
[09:42:42] <Jymmmm> tilt up has to be premade/cured
[09:42:51] <CaptHindsight> http://www.listerarch.com/images/easyblog_images/810/Tilt-Up-Concrete.jpg
[09:43:00] <CaptHindsight> pour on site, tilt up
[09:43:29] <Jymmmm> needs crane
[09:43:47] <gregcnc> straw bale / mud
[09:44:02] <CaptHindsight> https://www.mainebusinessbrokers.com/images/articles/Precast_Concrete_Products.JPG
[09:44:51] <Jymmmm> I say back the concrete truck up should be the only necessaity
[09:45:10] <CaptHindsight> just live in trees
[09:45:10] <gregcnc> ICF?
[09:46:17] <Jymmmm> CaptHindsight: If it looks like this, sure... http://www.24sata.hr/media/img/72/88/23c76ea8ca5d663a7f32.jpeg
[09:46:44] <Jymmmm> better quality... http://дома-из-сухарника.рф/images/DND/amazing-treehouses-1.jpg
[09:48:35] <CaptHindsight> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lustron_house
[09:50:29] <Jymmmm> porcelain enamel is a rarity to see today, other that the facade of See's Candy stores.
[09:50:47] <CaptHindsight> http://www.curbed.com/2016/6/29/12061932/minimalist-aluminum-house-madrid-fran-silvestre
[09:51:20] <CaptHindsight> something similar only with more concrete for loads
[09:51:26] <Jymmmm> The bums will snatch it piece by piece for the scrap value.
[09:53:13] <gregcnc> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dymaxion_house
[09:53:31] <Jymmmm> print-on-site actually makes a lot of sense, as long as one could maintain structural integrity in the design.
[09:54:27] <CaptHindsight> it works
[09:55:09] <CaptHindsight> what they don't show is electrical and plumbing
[09:56:31] <CaptHindsight> I've seen some residential prefab with concrete where they used high pressure ducts for the AC
[09:57:45] <CaptHindsight> just a few PSI but then there are no large ducts to be run that need to be hidden
[10:07:38] <Jymmmm> Hmmm, print concrete, and even spray insulation too
[10:08:30] <Jymmmm> heh, melt coper and "print" the electrical too
[10:08:36] <Jymmmm> copper*
[10:09:23] <Jymmmm> same with cpvc pipe!
[10:16:33] <CaptHindsight> HVAC, electrical raceway and waste is less of a problem than water supply
[12:17:22] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-BEI-Absolute-Multi-turn-Encoders-HMT25-Gray-Code-/261822092613
[12:17:30] <CaptHindsight> $100
[12:22:20] <IchGucksLive> hi
[12:23:13] <IchGucksLive> kb8wmc: ?
[12:23:30] <IchGucksLive> pink_vampire: did you get the digits to woirk
[12:23:43] <pink_vampire> hi
[12:23:46] <pink_vampire> no
[12:23:54] <IchGucksLive> i got it ;-)
[12:23:58] <pink_vampire> how???
[12:25:14] <IchGucksLive> simple math
[12:26:54] <IchGucksLive> simple value times 100 to get 2 digits
[12:27:00] <IchGucksLive> fup the value
[12:27:13] <IchGucksLive> and devide by 100
[12:27:39] <IchGucksLive> cleans up the rest
[12:27:49] <pink_vampire> so if i have a parameter #1004
[12:28:02] <IchGucksLive> look in the querry
[12:28:21] <pink_vampire> i'm doing [#1004*100/100]
[12:28:53] <IchGucksLive> #1002 = [ #1004 *100]
[12:29:18] <IchGucksLive> #1004 = [FUP[#1002]/100]
[12:29:38] <pink_vampire> what is FUP?
[12:29:48] <IchGucksLive> Fix up
[12:29:58] <pink_vampire> fix up?
[12:30:14] <pink_vampire> let me see
[12:30:43] <IchGucksLive> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gcode/overview.html#gcode:functions
[12:31:17] <pink_vampire> WOWWW
[12:31:24] <pink_vampire> that is cool
[12:31:28] <pink_vampire> COS
[12:31:36] <pink_vampire> SIN
[12:31:52] <IchGucksLive> bookmark the side
[12:31:58] <pink_vampire> I'm going to do some cool stuff with it
[12:32:07] <pink_vampire> DONE!
[12:32:33] <IchGucksLive> there is many more scroll up
[12:34:00] <pink_vampire> IchGucksLive: it's not 100% work
[12:34:08] <IchGucksLive> why
[12:34:45] <pink_vampire> i'm still get 6 digits after the decimal point, but now 4 of them are 0000
[12:35:05] <IchGucksLive> the U_s32 us not changebal
[12:35:19] <IchGucksLive> What are you gong to atchiv on this
[12:36:23] <pink_vampire> i want to make the debug msg more readable
[12:36:25] <IchGucksLive> all num vars on the LCNC are this size
[12:37:08] <pink_vampire> but on the dro i have only 3 digits after the decimal point
[12:37:28] <IchGucksLive> that comes from canon
[12:37:50] <pink_vampire> is there a way to display a value like #1004 in pyvcp?
[12:38:11] <IchGucksLive> yes
[12:38:25] <CaptHindsight> IchGucksLive: do you know what he was asking about? [16:03:28] http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~tom-itx/irc/logs/%23linuxcnc/2016-12-18.html
[12:39:23] <IchGucksLive> he is in trouble on gmocapy
[12:39:34] <CaptHindsight> I got that much
[12:40:19] <IchGucksLive> he did ask about MDI that is not working in a gmocapy in i file
[12:40:20] <CaptHindsight> is he trying to link a button on the GUI to some command?
[12:40:59] <IchGucksLive> oh it is a simulation mashine so the tTRTAY may hint the connection
[12:41:01] <CaptHindsight> I told him to come back around this time today
[12:41:23] <IchGucksLive> its a simple Zero Maschine Command
[12:41:39] <IchGucksLive> that he coudt be make better in any way
[12:44:14] <pink_vampire> also i try to make an icon (image) to the button in pyvcp but i can't make it work.
[12:44:38] <IchGucksLive> no button images only labels
[12:47:39] <pink_vampire> what about image background?
[12:50:25] <IchGucksLive> pink_vampire: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.4/html/hal_pyvcp.html#r1_6_3
[12:53:34] <Jymmmm> cradek: Here's a clock for ya... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNxiFOUKpZ4
[14:12:25] <IchGucksLive> pink_vampire: still on
[14:12:29] <IchGucksLive> works now
[14:12:55] <pink_vampire> i'm here
[14:13:02] <pink_vampire> IchGucksLive:
[14:13:56] <IchGucksLive> in the M100 use halcmd sets mynumber $1
[14:14:19] <IchGucksLive> then M100 P 12.450000
[14:14:25] <IchGucksLive> shoudt work
[14:26:08] <gene_> Hey guys, I've reset my raspi's keyboard to en_US twice, and somethng keeps resetting it to en_GB.
[14:26:28] <gene_> Where is that file that controls that?
[14:29:06] <kb8wmc> IchGucksLive: good day to you
[14:29:28] <IchGucksLive> i did the english version
[14:29:35] <IchGucksLive> and also the fill option
[14:29:57] <kb8wmc> very good, is it on your youtube
[14:32:01] <kb8wmc> IchGucksLive: I found it
[14:32:38] <IchGucksLive> https://youtu.be/Ssb8I_5dejs
[14:32:40] <IchGucksLive> cool
[14:32:54] <kb8wmc> watching it now
[14:33:02] <IchGucksLive> lok the cool pocket milling of the letters NO cam LCNC
[14:33:31] <kb8wmc> will do
[14:45:56] <Tom_L> JT-Shop,
[14:47:16] <Tom_itx> OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/home/tom-itx/src/logbot/logs/#avr'
[14:47:20] <Tom_itx> LOG_FOLDER = '/home/tom-itx/public_html/irc//logs'
[14:47:42] <Tom_L> reading the wrong directory it appears
[14:52:25] <Tom_itx> even without the extra '/' :D
[14:56:04] <JT-Shop> hmmm
[14:56:49] <JT-Shop> does it give a line number and the line of code?
[14:56:57] <Tom_itx> just a sec
[14:57:17] <Tom_itx> 324
[14:57:56] <Tom_itx> 423 410 181 324 <-- call tree
[14:59:36] <JT-Shop> ok, I missed one change to the paths
[15:00:13] <Tom_itx> LOG_FOLDER = '/home/tom-itx/public_html/irc/logs'
[15:00:18] <Tom_itx> is that correct now?
[15:00:32] <Tom_itx> as far as the changes you made..
[15:01:17] <JT-Shop> should be, but it is broken when it tries to create a new index, I missed changing that
[15:01:28] <Tom_itx> np
[15:01:51] <JT-Shop> thanks for testing
[15:01:59] <Tom_itx> it just looked like it was reading from the partial wrong directory
[15:02:41] <JT-Shop> yea that section was still getting the program location with os.getcwd() and adding the log path to that
[15:03:20] <Tom_L> i need to learn python :)
[15:04:12] <JT-Shop> it's fun
[15:04:40] <JT-Shop> got the high heat boot in for the new shop so I can install the wood stove yea
[15:04:52] * JT-Shop goes back to hanging OSB
[15:50:24] <JT-Shop2> 8 sheets of OSB left on the stack!
[16:31:58] <Deejay> gn8
[17:26:17] <MacGalempsy> http://oklahomacity.craigslist.org/tls/5924407340.html
[17:26:30] <MacGalempsy> cheapest waterjet I've ever seen
[17:38:26] <CaptHindsight> worth it in parts
[17:38:41] <MacGalempsy> if it works, why part it out?
[17:39:30] <CaptHindsight> in parts just means that the sum of the parts is more than their asking price
[17:40:05] <CaptHindsight> https://images.craigslist.org/00m0m_loI8RJPDiFQ_1200x900.jpg ohoh wood framing
[17:40:55] <CaptHindsight> belt drive
[17:42:15] <CaptHindsight> https://images.craigslist.org/00P0P_8REupwgLh8W_1200x900.jpg das pumpen
[17:43:24] <MacGalempsy> that pump is pretty cool
[17:48:28] <gregcnc> ouch i just saw a file through someone's hand on instagram. the result of filing on the lathe
[17:48:47] <MacGalempsy> yuck
[17:50:01] <gregcnc> and this for those that golf https://www.instagram.com/p/BONDY09B6pR/
[17:50:28] <MacGalempsy> oh sheet
[18:08:34] <zeeshan> Tom_L: alive? :D
[18:10:21] <JT-Shop> I only saw Tom for a bit today
[18:10:29] <zeeshan> ah
[18:10:35] <zeeshan> the weirdest thing happened today
[18:10:45] <zeeshan> my co-worker gave his 2 week notice
[18:11:10] <zeeshan> he's really knowledgeable and it's a blow for us
[18:11:11] <zeeshan> but guess what?
[18:11:18] <zeeshan> he's going to work for elliot matsuura
[18:11:27] <zeeshan> the main distributor of NAKAMURA LATHES!!!
[18:11:29] <Tom_L> of course i'm alive!
[18:11:35] <zeeshan> i'm trying to get him me the lathe manuals!!!!!!!!!!
[18:11:36] <zeeshan> :D
[18:11:38] <zeeshan> for free!!!!!!!
[18:11:38] <zeeshan> :D
[18:11:46] <jdh> give away IP?
[18:11:53] <zeeshan> no
[18:12:00] <zeeshan> i explained to him i just want parts
[18:12:07] <zeeshan> replacement wipers etc
[18:12:27] <Tom_L> JT-Shop, anything to test?
[18:12:35] * JT-Shop tries to remember how to do configurations in SW
[18:12:41] <zeeshan> jdh: most companies
[18:12:43] <JT-Shop> Tom_L: in the morning
[18:12:44] <zeeshan> like mazak etc
[18:12:47] <zeeshan> give manuals for free
[18:12:51] <zeeshan> i don't see why you need to charge for them.
[18:12:59] <zeeshan> you're going to buy parts from them
[18:13:06] <zeeshan> it's like mcmastercarr charging $$ for their catalog
[18:13:11] <Tom_L> they probably do on a new machine sale
[18:13:23] <zeeshan> nope
[18:13:29] <jdh> I asked a drive mfg for a manual for one of their ancient drives.
[18:13:34] <Tom_L> i used to use digikey and mouser catalogs for door stops i had so many
[18:13:36] <zeeshan> they wont give that
[18:14:01] <jdh> they said they didnt' have one, discontinued decades ago. Then a few days later they send me a pdf of an old marked up copy some old timer had stashed in a drawer
[18:14:19] * Tom_L checks on the tea pot
[18:14:25] <zeeshan> that's a good company :)
[18:14:50] <jdh> yeah... especially since one of the markups was what we needed
[18:15:01] <zeeshan> when we build plants
[18:15:08] <zeeshan> we keep a copy of all the vendor manuals
[18:15:19] <zeeshan> so it is period correct
[18:15:25] <jdh> otoh, if they hadn't, I could have just ripped the old PoS out and put something decent in
[18:15:27] <zeeshan> whether you can get the replacement part or not, is a diff story
[18:15:44] <zeeshan> a parts manual should not cost $350
[18:15:53] <zeeshan> considering theres like 6 other manuals
[18:15:56] <zeeshan> for $350 each also
[18:16:08] <zeeshan> i hope he can get them for me for free or at least a decent price
[18:16:10] <jdh> do they have a service/repair team?
[18:16:16] <zeeshan> yes
[18:17:28] <jdh> they will come and diagnose and repair whatever you need and you can save $350 on manuals
[18:17:41] <zeeshan> lol
[18:18:38] <Tom_L> JT-Shop what was the github link again?
[18:20:47] <JT-Shop> https://github.com/jethornton/JT-Logger
[18:20:59] * JT-Shop calls it a day
[18:21:20] <Tom_L> was close.. misspelled thornton
[18:21:32] * Tom_L calls it a monday
[18:33:26] <dioz> yo any of you old men do any refrigeration line brazing with nitrogen flood?
[18:33:48] <dioz> is it still fuckin...
[18:33:49] <dioz> wtf
[18:33:54] <dioz> capillary action
[18:34:03] <dioz> that "sucks" the brazing into the marijuana joint?
[18:43:35] <sync> dioz: of course
[18:45:03] <dioz> apparently the nitrogen flood stops oxidation
[18:45:30] <dioz> which creates black flakes on the inside and can fuck shit up with little valves and motors and such
[18:47:13] <sync> yes
[18:47:52] <dioz> what uh
[18:48:02] <dioz> is there different brzing rods?
[18:48:11] <dioz> like there is with filler for other connection methods
[18:48:17] <dioz> i assume there would be
[18:48:42] <Tom_L> yes
[18:49:58] <dioz> refrigerant line (or the shit you hook up a condensor unit to your house for AC) is copper ?
[18:50:13] <dioz> seems soft as fuck
[18:50:24] <Tom_L> it is annealed copper
[18:50:29] <dioz> like you can bend it pretty easy and as long as you don't collapse it it stays alright
[18:51:38] <dioz> fuck man the things you learn in a day
[18:53:56] <dioz> and uh... they use acetyline torch to heat it typically?
[18:54:14] <sync> propane/oxygen usually
[18:54:42] <sync> using CuPh rods or CuAg for some codes
[18:56:08] <zeeshan> found the brake on the X axis i think :D
[18:56:30] <sync> where is it?
[18:57:05] <zeeshan> http://imgur.com/zGFsvLY
[18:57:09] <zeeshan> that little cylinder
[18:57:12] <zeeshan> next to motor
[18:57:20] <zeeshan> i'm not sure how it works
[18:57:24] <zeeshan> but ill take it apart on the weekend
[18:58:12] <sync> probably just a friction disc with a hydraulic actuator or whatever
[18:58:42] * Tom_L adds a couple more hydraulic lines to the lathe
[18:59:33] <zeeshan> lol Tom_L
[18:59:36] <zeeshan> i've mapped them out :p
[18:59:38] <zeeshan> i think!
[19:23:00] <Tom_L> JT-Shop you around?
[19:32:52] <dioz> so why is the pipe that runs from the coil TO the condensor larger than the line going from the condensor to the coil ?
[19:32:57] <dioz> with regards to a home AC system
[19:33:19] <sync> because the refrigerant is gaseous there
[19:33:20] <dioz> as well why is the line that runs from the coil to the condensor insulated
[19:33:24] <dioz> yet the other isn't
[19:34:56] <sync> same reason
[19:35:02] <sync> the refrigerant has done its work
[19:36:50] <Tom_L> one is cool the other needs to disapate heat
[19:37:04] <Tom_L> it's the principle of refrigeration
[19:37:39] <sync> ah TO the condensor
[19:37:47] <sync> well, why would it, it is hot anyway
[19:40:21] <Tom_L> the smaller tube goes to an orfice of some sort to the A coil and the gas is expanded cooling it
[19:43:47] <dioz> yah
[19:44:01] <dioz> sync: maybe to prevent condensation gathering on the pipe is all i can think
[19:44:13] <sync> people do that as well
[19:44:17] <sync> but it is not as important
[19:44:57] <sync> if you put in heat before the place where the liquid is expanded you are loosing cooling capability
[19:45:03] <sync> because you put in energy
[19:45:45] <dioz> yah
[19:45:59] <dioz> i think i understand that
[19:46:07] <dioz> i just couldn't understand why the suction line would be insulated
[19:46:41] <sync> well, that's to prevent condensation
[19:46:50] <dioz> on the outside of the pipe 'eh?
[19:46:58] <sync> yes
[19:47:20] <sync> as that would make your walls moldy
[19:48:07] <dioz> that is the only thing i could think
[19:50:16] <sync> well, it limits your total energy input, but I think that is not that important
[20:31:12] <dioz> why the fuck
[20:31:17] <dioz> are drafting tools so expensive
[20:32:50] <TurBoss> Freecad/LibreCad?
[20:32:53] <MacGalempsy> which kind of drafting tools?
[20:33:49] <djdelorie> rulers and pencils?
[20:34:20] <dioz> compass
[20:35:18] <MacGalempsy> they can be pricey. ive seen good deals at antique stores
[20:35:54] <MacGalempsy> i have a set of 11 point dividers $$$
[20:37:30] <dioz> yah
[20:38:42] <dioz> how long does my diagonal piece of duct need to be?
[20:38:49] <dioz> they're offset 43 inches
[20:39:01] <dioz> i'm using 7.5" radius 45 degree elbows
[20:39:12] <dioz> and the duct dimmensions are 24 x 12
[20:42:00] <dioz> (offset * 1.414) - 2( .414 * center line radius) ?
[20:42:07] <dioz> is that right?
[20:43:34] <dioz> clr = 7.5 + 12
[20:48:12] <dioz> i want one of those bosch heated jackets
[20:48:21] <dioz> that take the 12v 2amp batteries
[20:49:30] <Wolf_> Milwaukee one can use up to 18v 9aH….
[20:49:42] <dioz> huge battery in your pocket though
[20:49:49] <Wolf_> but who would want that much battery in their pocket
[20:50:31] <malcom2073> I want one, with heated gloves. Would make using a laptop outside in the cold much easier
[20:51:19] * Wolf_ questions why use a laptop outside ;P
[20:51:27] <malcom2073> Work mostly:-P
[20:52:28] <dioz> Wolf_: you can get 12v 4 amp batteries too
[20:52:31] <dioz> but they also seem too big IMO
[20:52:40] <Wolf_> I know, I have like 10 of them
[20:52:50] <dioz> the base is a big square 'eh?
[20:52:53] <Wolf_> yeah
[20:52:57] <dioz> even that bad boy in your pocket would be annoying IMO
[20:53:25] <Wolf_> actually, yeah it would be, unless its balls cold out, then I think it would be worth it lol
[20:53:52] <dioz> apparently the bosch will run 6 hours on low setting with a 2 amp
[20:55:08] <Wolf_> I’m pretty much invested in to the milwaukee stuff at this point… crap load of m12 and m18 tools, batteries, 6 bay charger ...
[20:55:35] <dioz> hah same w/ me and bosch
[20:56:03] <dioz> what's fucked is the nibbler and sheer are 12v tools
[20:56:06] <dioz> under bosch
[20:56:19] <dioz> i would've thought 18v but wtf do i know
[20:56:50] <Wolf_> yeah, milfucky seems to have most everything in both flavors (within reason)
[20:57:59] <sync> yeah, I'm not sure which coolaid I should drink
[20:58:08] <Wolf_> I still need to make some battery adapters so I can use m18’s on my old v18 tools
[20:58:11] <sync> kinda twisted between milwaukee or makita
[20:58:42] <dioz> sync: go hilti
[20:58:44] <dioz> hah
[20:58:52] <Wolf_> lol
[20:58:59] <dioz> or i&r
[20:59:06] <dioz> how deep are your pockets?
[20:59:43] <Wolf_> red tools are bad enough $$ wise lol
[20:59:59] <Wolf_> the milwaukee that is
[21:00:18] <Wolf_> hiliti is more $$ for sure
[21:00:31] <sync> their selection of stuff sucks (hilti)
[21:00:53] <Wolf_> great if you need to drill a hole in almost anything
[21:02:27] * zeeshan likes german-english accent
[21:02:38] <zeeshan> i was on a teleconference w/ a colleague in germany
[21:02:39] <zeeshan> hehe
[21:02:51] <zeeshan> it's nice to hear proper english
[21:03:01] * zeeshan random thoughts
[21:03:36] <zeeshan> anyone here from nevada? :D
[21:06:45] <renesis> guys where is enco
[21:07:18] <renesis> fuuuuu
[21:09:01] <cradek> gone
[21:09:04] <cradek> mscdirect now
[21:10:32] <renesis> ya, i guess theyve owned them for a long time
[21:24:12] <roycroft> what kind of paint do folks here like to use on machinery?
[21:24:24] <roycroft> consumer stuff like rustoleum and hammerite don't hold up too well
[21:24:53] <Tom_L> probably marine enamel or epoxy
[21:25:06] <BeachBumPete> depends... I painted my first small mill with hammerite paint and it actually worked reasonably well.
[21:25:46] <BeachBumPete> I painted the coolant trays on my VMC with some epoxy based immersion proof paint and it has held up very well so far
[21:25:48] <Duc_mobile> anyone hand programmed a wrapped contour on a 4th axis
[21:25:54] <roycroft> i use dar (acrylic enamel) for my automotive painting
[21:26:04] <roycroft> it's a ppg product
[21:26:04] <Tom_L> Duc_mobile i think andy has
[21:26:18] <zeeshan> roycroft: i've been talking to my friend whos dad restores various machines
[21:26:21] <zeeshan> he's told me its a 2 part epoxy
[21:26:33] <zeeshan> still waiting to hear back about the actual recipe :)
[21:26:35] <Tom_L> that's the good stuff
[21:26:41] <roycroft> well dar is 3 part
[21:26:43] <zeeshan> they prep by scuff the machine and then acetone it
[21:26:44] <Tom_L> enamel would probably be 2nd choice
[21:26:48] <roycroft> paint, reducer, hardener
[21:26:55] <roycroft> but that stuff is being phased out
[21:27:06] <Duc_mobile> Tom_L: I'm making a post now. Easiest example would be fluting a barrel. I would like to learn how to do it by hand
[21:27:07] <roycroft> the world are moving to water-based automotive paints now
[21:27:08] <zeeshan> auto stuff is waterborne stuff now
[21:27:17] <zeeshan> its hard to get lacquer based paints
[21:27:19] <zeeshan> they still make em
[21:27:21] <zeeshan> but $$
[21:27:26] <roycroft> yes
[21:27:31] <roycroft> i don't have a fresh air respirator
[21:27:36] <roycroft> so most water-based paints are out
[21:27:48] <roycroft> they're a lot more toxic than the traditional solvent-based ones
[21:27:52] <roycroft> generally speaking
[21:27:55] <zeeshan> you also need turbulent air
[21:27:57] <Tom_L> zeeshan do you know python?
[21:27:58] <zeeshan> from what i understand
[21:28:00] <roycroft> yes
[21:28:02] <zeeshan> Tom_L: kind of
[21:28:04] <zeeshan> iwrote this crap:
[21:28:20] <zeeshan> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/uploads/vfd.py
[21:28:25] <zeeshan> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/uploads/comms.py
[21:28:27] <zeeshan> and part of that
[21:28:39] <roycroft> a friend of mine runs a public works shop and he's made several appointments with his paint supplier to discuss water-based paints, but the guy has postponed every time
[21:28:41] <Tom_L> looking at some code
[21:28:45] <roycroft> i've been invited to those meetings
[21:28:46] <Tom_L> trying to understand it
[21:28:55] <roycroft> i can still get dar, and it's good paint
[21:28:57] <zeeshan> post
[21:29:11] <Tom_L> it's jt's logger
[21:29:16] <roycroft> i think it would hold up to the oils used in machining fairly well
[21:29:18] <Jymmmm> Tom_L: I'd comment that a LOT more than you have
[21:29:21] <Tom_L> but i'm trying to follow the directory path code
[21:29:26] <roycroft> and i could use a bit more hardener than usual to make it really tough
[21:29:28] <zeeshan> paste
[21:29:42] <Tom_L> Jymmmm comment what?
[21:29:54] <Jymmmm> Tom_L: vfd.py
[21:29:55] <roycroft> most folks do a 2 stage paint job when they want it to be reallyl tough
[21:30:00] <Tom_L> not my code
[21:30:07] <Jymmmm> Tom_L: ah
[21:30:10] <zeeshan> its my code
[21:30:11] <roycroft> there's a clear coat that's made for the front of school buses that is popular
[21:30:16] <zeeshan> and i only need to understand it
[21:30:20] <zeeshan> so bugger off! :)
[21:30:20] <roycroft> it's pretty much bullet-proof
[21:31:38] <Jymmmm> \ignore zeeshan
[21:31:50] <Tom_L> woops
[21:32:20] <roycroft> python is not usually as write-only as perl
[21:32:30] <roycroft> you must have worked hard to obfuscate your code
[21:32:39] <Tom_L> how do i unignore?
[21:32:41] <zeeshan> ??
[21:32:44] <Tom_L> irc
[21:32:45] <roycroft> /ignore nick none
[21:32:58] <roycroft> or /ignore regex_nick_pattern none
[21:33:03] <Tom_L> nope
[21:33:11] <zeeshan> . /unignore
[21:33:12] <zeeshan> :)
[21:33:27] <BeachBumPete> wtf
[21:33:36] <Tom_L> unknown command
[21:33:38] <roycroft> *** Unknown command: UNIGNORE
[21:33:45] <roycroft> i've never heard of that command
[21:33:48] <roycroft> and for good reason :)
[21:33:59] <roycroft> it would be a client-specific thing though
[21:35:10] <roycroft> so what kind of epoxy paints do folks use?
[21:35:27] <Jymmmm> Testors
[21:35:49] <BeachBumPete> I got mine from Sherwin Williams store don't recall the name of it however
[21:35:53] <roycroft> testors?
[21:36:10] <BeachBumPete> came in an orange set of containers
[21:36:11] <roycroft> that is the acrylic enamel that 8 year olds huff to get high, while pretending to paint their model airplanes
[21:36:22] <Jymmmm> roycroft: Yes
[21:36:44] * roycroft hasn't been 8 in so long he doesn't even remember
[21:36:46] <Jymmmm> roycroft: Well, it's the glue they sniff, but they changed the glue long ago
[21:36:51] <roycroft> oh, right
[21:37:02] <roycroft> when i was a kid i could buy the glue
[21:37:19] <roycroft> by the time i was in my teens they kept the glue behind the counter and required an adult to buy it
[21:37:24] <roycroft> now they have reformulated the glue
[21:37:44] <Jymmmm> roycroft: Now you have to be 18 to buy spraypaint of any kind (taggers)
[21:38:15] <roycroft> how many of those tiny 1/4oz bottles of testors are needed to paint a 15x60 lathe?
[21:38:27] <roycroft> ONE MILLION?
[21:38:40] <Jymmmm> roycroft: 3,214,325.2
[21:38:51] <roycroft> oh, a whole lot of them
[21:38:56] <roycroft> is that for one coat or two?
[21:39:10] <Jymmmm> half coat
[21:39:14] * roycroft could spring for a million, but 3.2 million is a bit out of budget
[21:39:19] <roycroft> aah
[21:39:24] <roycroft> so you only paint the parts that don't get dirty
[21:39:40] <Jymmmm> But, they are the only oil based enamel you can find if you want colors
[21:40:00] <Jymmmm> well, other than white, black, or grey
[21:40:21] <roycroft> but white is all the colors!
[21:40:38] <roycroft> or none, depending on whether your color sense is additive or subtractive
[21:41:10] <Jymmmm> HomeDepot will refuse to tint any oil based enamel paint
[21:41:22] <roycroft> really?
[21:41:36] <roycroft> for alleged safety reasons or for we don't care reasons?
[21:41:36] <Jymmmm> Yeah, I tried, that basically said fuck off
[21:41:49] <Jymmmm> liability?
[21:42:07] <roycroft> so we don't care reasons
[21:42:12] <Jymmmm> they didn't want to get blamed if the paint job was fubared
[21:42:38] <Jymmmm> I tink their tints are was/laytex based
[21:42:42] <Jymmmm> think*
[21:42:53] <roycroft> i should go find a part that i shot with dar, and let some swarf and vactra and cutting oil sit on it for a year
[21:43:04] <roycroft> and see how it fares after that
[21:43:32] <Jymmm> I got lucky and found a can of grey oil enamel
[21:43:36] <roycroft> hammerite doesn't like cutting oil with sulphur in it
[21:43:38] <Jymmm> for $2 at that
[21:43:59] <roycroft> in my experience, at least
[21:44:13] <roycroft> which is sad
[21:44:31] <roycroft> i discovered this right after i bought a spray gun with a giant (2.4mm) nozzle
[21:44:36] <roycroft> i was going to try to spray some hammerite
[21:45:13] <roycroft> i can't afford hammerite rattle cans
[21:46:25] <Jymmm> roycroft: But, I suppose you could get a couple bottles of Testors paint and then buy a gallon of white from home depto and have them mix it in. Might be a super light hue, but better than straight white?
[21:46:58] <Loetmichel_> hammerite is containing silicone, so better dont use that spray gun for water based paint EVER again.
[21:47:04] <Jymmm> or a pint
[21:47:25] <Loetmichel_> (as far as i know anyways)
[21:52:42] <roycroft> yes, loetmichel_
[21:52:55] <roycroft> i bought the gun specifically for hammerite, knowing i would never be able to use it for anything else
[21:54:50] <roycroft> hammerite also requires a proprietary, rather expensive reducer
[21:55:02] <roycroft> but one can't reduce it much, so the cost of the reducer is not that bad
[21:55:12] <roycroft> that's why a YUUUGE nozzle is needed in the gun
[21:55:18] <roycroft> it sprays pretty thickly
[21:55:49] <Loetmichel_> reduce?
[21:55:55] <roycroft> thin
[21:55:57] <Loetmichel_> ah
[21:56:09] <roycroft> reducing is the technical term that painters use
[21:56:14] <Loetmichel_> i see
[21:56:18] <roycroft> viscoscity reducer
[21:56:20] <Loetmichel_> < german here
[21:56:28] <roycroft> yes, i know you are german
[21:56:41] <Loetmichel_> so i dont know the tecnical terms that much
[21:56:47] <roycroft> i don't mind clarifying for anyone, especially folks whose native language is different than mine
[21:56:47] <Loetmichel_> the english ones
[21:57:23] <roycroft> so you learned some english today :)
[21:57:36] <Loetmichel_> last time i used a resin based paint in a spray gun it was with an "airless" system
[21:57:48] <Loetmichel_> and 5 gallon buckets ;)
[21:57:55] <roycroft> i usually use an hvlp gun
[21:58:09] <Loetmichel_> ist that the english term as well?
[21:58:17] <roycroft> high velocity low pressure
[21:58:32] <roycroft> not the same as airless
[21:58:55] <Loetmichel_> those that use a hydraulic pump to put anywhere from 80 to 200 bar on the paint and then just pump it thru a high pressure line to the nozzle/gun
[21:59:26] <roycroft> i'm familiar with the airless systems
[21:59:35] <roycroft> they're commonly used for house painting
[21:59:57] <Loetmichel_> <- painted the iron girders of a huge 2000m^2 company "shed" with it
[21:59:58] <roycroft> you're not mixing air and paint at the nozzle
[22:00:07] <roycroft> you're pushing the paint with air and atomizing it at the nozzle
[22:00:26] <Loetmichel_> ... and half of the floor 30 feet below ;)
[22:00:46] <roycroft> you didn't use a tarp?
[22:00:52] <Loetmichel_> no
[22:01:04] <roycroft> well at least the floor and the shed matched
[22:01:09] <Tom_L> zlogcalendar
[22:01:10] <zlogcalendar> Tom_L: Today's Log http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:82/~tom-itx/irc/logs/#linuxcnc/2016-12-19.html
[22:01:32] <Loetmichel_> the floor was to be steel bead blasted and getting a coat of "epoxy+sand" afterwards anyways
[22:01:37] <Loetmichel_> so no harm done
[22:01:51] <roycroft> it actually helped
[22:02:07] <roycroft> because once the color you applied was removed they knew they had blasted it sufficiently
[22:03:08] <Loetmichel_> its funny tho when you see 30 feet of 20" steel i beam rusty and bad, then press the trigger on the gun for 5 seconds and its bright blue and looks as new ;)
[22:03:56] <roycroft> i like the results of a nice paint job
[22:04:02] <roycroft> but i actually don't enjoy painting very much
[22:04:14] <Loetmichel_> we had to change the active carbon filters in our masks ever half hour tho
[22:04:19] <Loetmichel_> or wo would get dizzy
[22:06:20] <Loetmichel_> sometimes i felt like in that mr.bean sketch where he paints his living room with a hand grenade
[22:07:14] <Loetmichel_> just ashort tap on the trigger of the gun and everything around you was bright blue ;)
[22:12:59] <zeeshan> finally found the motor specs for my hydraulic power pack!!!!!!!!!!
[22:12:59] <zeeshan> :D
[22:13:22] <Tom_L> zlogcalendar
[22:13:22] <zlogcalendar> Tom_L: Today's Log http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:82/~tom-itx/irc/logs/#linuxcnc/2016-12-19.html
[22:14:16] <Tom_L> fixed that part anyway
[22:15:39] <zeeshan> http://www.factorymation.com/FM50-202-C
[22:15:42] <zeeshan> has anyone used this drive before
[22:19:26] <Tom_L> i got 2 on my sherline
[22:19:48] <zeeshan> is it made in china?
[22:19:59] <Tom_L> ^^ read that as bs
[22:20:06] <zeeshan> o
[22:20:13] <Tom_L> what isn't made in china?
[22:21:19] <zeeshan> definitely not eaton drives
[22:21:21] <zeeshan> they're made in finland
[22:21:30] <Tom_L> zeeshan why doesn't that top link go to the page instead of the main index?
[22:21:57] <Tom_L> testing JT's bot
[22:22:17] <zeeshan> lol
[22:22:21] <zeeshan> thats interesting
[22:22:25] <Tom_L> i know
[22:22:26] <zeeshan> even though you've got the link to ".."
[22:22:30] <zeeshan> did you try just "." ?
[22:22:37] <Tom_L> where?
[22:22:53] <zeeshan> <body> <h1>#linuxcnc | Logs for 2016-12-19</h1> <div> <a href="..">Back</a><br/> <a href="#00:00:08" name="00:00:08" class="time">[00:00:08]</a> <span class="person" style="color:#%00x%00x%FFx">&lt;roycroft&gt;</span> i'm trying to stop cringing every time i see it though <br/>
[22:22:59] <zeeshan> the magnet link
[22:23:03] <zeeshan> a href ..
[22:23:11] <Tom_L> i tried hardcoding it too
[22:23:34] <Tom_L> i haven't looked at that part of his code yet
[22:24:46] <Tom_L> he's hardcoded some paths that need fixed
[22:24:55] <Tom_L> i see some of what's going on
[22:28:35] <zeeshan> jthornton: you hacker!
[22:28:48] <zeeshan> tom do you understand this:
[22:28:54] <zeeshan> https://www.driveswarehouse.com/documentation/Hitachi/NE-S1B.pdf
[22:28:56] <zeeshan> page 13
[22:29:07] <zeeshan> is the 24VDC supply internal?
[22:29:33] <zeeshan> if i want to connect one of the outputs of the mesa to one of the inputs of the vfd
[22:29:48] <zeeshan> how to hook up? :D
[22:30:00] <zeeshan> the way i see it is the 24vdc supply is internal
[22:30:03] <Tom_L> it appears to be
[22:30:19] <Tom_L> if it were external there would be a pin saying so
[22:30:29] <zeeshan> so how would it connect?
[22:30:38] <zeeshan> wire from mesa output to one of the inputs
[22:30:46] <zeeshan> and then the terminal L connected to common ground ?
[22:30:56] <zeeshan> (floating ground shared w/ mesa)
[22:30:58] <Tom_L> will they toerate 24v?
[22:31:04] <zeeshan> i thinkso
[22:31:08] <zeeshan> cause thats why they show internally its 24v
[22:31:11] <Tom_L> i'd ask pcw but it looks like that's right
[22:31:12] <zeeshan> like without mesa in the question
[22:31:18] <Tom_L> common GND
[22:31:21] <zeeshan> the way you usually wire that is you take p24 then throw that through a switch
[22:31:28] <zeeshan> and then feed it to pin 2 for example
[22:31:35] <zeeshan> you can change the state like that
[22:31:42] <roycroft> *chuckle*
[22:31:43] <Tom_L> so give it 24v from something eles
[22:31:51] <zeeshan> im always weary about doing that
[22:31:56] <roycroft> i just read an interesting suggestion on a machining forum about painting machinery
[22:31:59] <zeeshan> i dont know why :D
[22:32:09] <roycroft> the suggestion is to paint your shop/garage floor with floor enamel
[22:32:10] <roycroft> er
[22:32:12] <roycroft> floor epoxy
[22:32:18] <Tom_L> i'm not weary about it... i'm here, you're there :D
[22:32:18] <roycroft> then paint each of your machines that same color
[22:32:29] <zeeshan> roycroft: rofl
[22:32:29] <zeeshan> link
[22:32:34] <roycroft> that way, when you buy a new machine, it will be camoflauged and swmbo will not notice it
[22:32:50] <roycroft> http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/general-archive/machinery-paint-72640/
[22:33:15] <zeeshan> i see no pics
[22:33:16] <zeeshan> :{
[22:33:21] <Tom_L> they acid etch the floor before applying the epoxy
[22:33:35] <roycroft> i assume the walls must be painted with the floor epoxy as well for this to work
[22:33:44] <Tom_L> and your work attire
[22:33:56] <roycroft> yes, some high molar hydrochloric acid is used to etch the floor
[22:34:09] <zeeshan> i painted my floor a while back
[22:34:14] <Tom_L> my bud did his first shop that way
[22:34:19] <zeeshan> man that acid really excretes a nice smell
[22:34:20] <zeeshan> ;p
[22:34:23] <zeeshan> smell of DEATH
[22:34:31] <roycroft> it will put hair on your chest
[22:34:32] <Tom_L> you're not supposed to waller in it
[22:34:35] <roycroft> on the INSIDE of your chest
[22:34:38] <zeeshan> rofl
[22:34:42] <zeeshan> i think its hydrogen gas
[22:34:48] <zeeshan> thats whatit smelled like to me
[22:34:53] <roycroft> it's the chlorine gas
[22:34:58] <zeeshan> soon after i wore a respirator cause my lungs were hurting.
[22:34:58] <zeeshan> :p
[22:35:01] <zeeshan> is it?
[22:35:07] <Tom_L> bad stuff
[22:35:19] <Tom_L> they used that in ww2 iirc
[22:35:20] <roycroft> hydrogen is odorless
[22:35:31] <roycroft> and hcl contains hydrogen and chlorine
[22:35:35] <roycroft> so it has to be the chlorine
[22:35:45] <zeeshan> lovely
[22:35:53] <MacGalempsy> second that on h2 being odorless
[22:35:56] <roycroft> and chlorine gas is really really nasty stuff
[22:35:58] <Tom_L> was nice knowin ya
[22:36:13] <zeeshan> hydrogen might be odourless to your nouses
[22:36:18] <zeeshan> its definitely got a smell to mine!
[22:36:19] * Tom_L puts zeeshan in the dioz category
[22:36:23] <zeeshan> hahaha
[22:36:32] <MacGalempsy> lol
[22:36:55] <Tom_L> with that i'm goin to bed.
[22:36:56] <roycroft> hydrogen is colorless, odorless, tasteless, and completely non-toxic
[22:37:00] <roycroft> but it blows up real good
[22:37:17] <MacGalempsy> h2s is nasty
[22:37:33] <roycroft> hydrogen sulphide is a completely different thing
[22:38:54] <MacGalempsy> usually a breakdown of gypsum iirc
[22:46:37] <MacGalempsy> interesting h2s fact its the highest temp superconductor currently known
[22:47:00] <MacGalempsy> @ -70c
[22:53:25] <roycroft> i wonder if it stinks when it's that cold
[22:55:09] <MacGalempsy> i wouldnt want to find out
[23:04:27] <roycroft> no, there would be other negative side effects