#linuxcnc | Logs for 2016-12-18

[01:52:09] <Soulmage> I know it's not the right place, but does anyone know if inventor has like a "transfer punch" tool?
[02:04:44] <Wolf_> eh
[02:07:06] <roycroft> i don't know inventor but in solidworks you would just use mates for that
[02:41:49] <zeeshan> Soulmage: yes
[02:46:13] <enleth> OK, so it turns out that I *have* to change the homing procedure in linuxcnc to only enable the axis being homed, i.e. one at a time, while keeping the other two inhibited
[02:46:49] <enleth> otherwise it goes absolutely apeshit if another axis further down the homing sequence just so happens to sit right on top of the home switch
[02:47:35] <enleth> quite predictably, as the home switches are wired in parallel, it tries to latch the current axis forever, running into the opposite limit
[02:49:18] <enleth> (for anyone interested who didn't read my ranting a few days ago: the switches are in parallel, connected to a single shared input of 7i77, but each is in series with its respective axis enable contactor; if the homing procedure only enables the axis being homed, all is well)
[02:50:02] <enleth> question is, can I do that at hal configuration level, or is it hardcoded?
[02:52:15] <archivist> might need to hack the code
[02:52:30] <archivist> or add logic to hal
[02:54:35] <archivist> you have axis.N.homing OUT BIT TRUE if the joint is currently homing, combine with enable so only the one axis is on
[02:55:23] <archivist> but I imagine wire properly would fix all this
[02:57:59] <archivist> upsetting the enables like that could break loops and not be sensible
[03:04:24] <Deejay> moin
[03:14:30] <enleth> it is wired "properly", just not to linuxcnc's expectations
[03:15:11] <enleth> i.e. this wiring makes a lot of sense considering that the machine has mechanical friction brakes and doesn't actually need the position loops to be constantly enabled for all axes
[03:51:02] <renesis> .wz 95928
[03:51:15] <renesis> wait this is not the place i thought it was
[04:02:15] <Wolf_> no weather for you! :P
[04:03:37] <archivist> I used to have a weather function in my bot
[04:03:54] <archivist> !weather de3 9by
[04:04:03] <archivist> gone....
[06:56:11] <jthornton> dang over slept
[07:15:54] <Deejay> heya
[08:00:03] <jthornton> archivist: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/hal/basic-hal.html#_addf
[08:00:10] <jthornton> is that a bit more descriptive?
[08:10:57] <archivist> it was the names= thing that was confusing the noobs, I see that is not mentioned
[08:16:39] <jthornton> separate issue belongs in the loadrt section I think
[08:16:51] <jthornton> thanks for reminding me
[08:18:06] <archivist> I am just trying to think if the example using halrun should be there or explained as external or something
[08:19:19] <jthornton> trying to show users an example of the function name and how I figured it out
[08:19:43] <jthornton> I need to mention that is a terminal example
[08:20:26] <jthornton> log
[08:20:27] <jtlog> jthornton: Today's Log http://gnipsel.com/logs/#linuxcnc/2016-12-18.html
[08:20:35] <Tom_L> -3° F
[08:20:37] <jthornton> yippie it is working now
[08:20:37] <Tom_L> zlog
[08:20:53] <archivist> bookmark
[08:20:53] <the_wench> yet another log is at http://emclog.archivist.info/
[08:21:08] <jthornton> 18F here atm
[08:21:27] <jthornton> Tom_L: I think I have all the bugs fixed
[08:22:01] <Tom_L> i'll give it a try here in a bit
[08:22:34] <jthornton> longest it's stayed connected for me lol
[08:23:21] <jthornton> when you start it up it now checks for index.html in each channel if not found creates it
[08:23:35] <Tom_L> great
[08:24:10] <jthornton> I also added options on what to log
[08:24:24] <jthornton> in the configuration section
[08:25:54] <jthornton> I still need to test some of the log options
[08:45:26] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJHe1gV0KX4 - this is a bird with LASER goggles. 3d printed LASER goggles. (for science) (aerodynamics)
[08:46:44] <Tom_L> zlogcalendar
[08:46:44] <zlogcalendar> Tom_L: Today's Log http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:82/~tom-itx/irc/logs/%urlchannel%/%date%.html#linuxcnc/2016-12-18.html
[08:47:32] <Tom_L> it didn't like that
[08:49:44] <jthornton> z log calendar is mine?
[08:50:10] <Tom_L> yep
[08:50:16] <Tom_L> soon as i called it, it died
[08:50:21] <Tom_L> and no index.html
[08:50:22] <jthornton> what is LOG_LOCATION set to?
[08:50:50] <Tom_itx> LOG_LOCATION = 'http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:82/~tom-itx/irc/logs/%urlchannel%/%date%.html'
[08:50:56] <Tom_L> same as before
[08:51:04] <Tom_L> i just copied it from the previous one
[08:51:13] <jthornton> same as before won't work, it needs to be the actual url
[08:51:33] <jthornton> 'http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:82/~tom-itx/irc/
[08:51:49] <jthornton> LOG_LOCATION = 'http://gnipsel.com/logs/'
[08:51:57] <jthornton> simpler now
[08:52:21] <Tom_itx> for each log channel?
[08:52:23] <jthornton> I just made a few commits so you need to get the latest
[08:53:00] <BeachBumPete> Morning folks
[08:53:00] <jthornton> no, it only needs the path to the log url
[08:53:14] <jthornton> it sorts out the rest of the path for a log
[08:53:19] <jthornton> morning
[08:53:32] <Tom_L> says an hour ago. i just downloaded it
[08:54:08] <jthornton> oh crap I uploaded the wrong file
[08:54:21] <Tom_itx> oops
[08:56:13] <jthornton> ok correct file uploaded
[08:56:29] <jthornton> and my local directory has been purged of old files lol
[08:58:48] * archivist hugs database storage
[09:02:23] <jthornton> log
[09:02:57] <jthornton> log
[09:02:58] <jtlog> jthornton: Today's Log http://gnipsel.com/logs/#linuxcnc/2016-12-18.html
[09:03:09] <jthornton> ah that is working nice now
[09:03:10] <Tom_L> what else do i need to change?
[09:03:17] <Tom_L> it just crashed here
[09:03:41] <jthornton> I just uploaded a small change to the log location it only needs the base url now
[09:04:08] <BeachBumPete> have any of you guys ever inletted a gunstock using a CNC mill?
[09:04:09] <jthornton> LOG_LOCATION = 'http://gnipsel.com/'
[09:04:15] <Tom_itx> LOG_LOCATION = 'http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:82/~tom-itx/irc/logs/'
[09:05:06] <jthornton> that should work for the previous version but not for the one that is in the git now
[09:05:21] <jthornton> LOG_LOCATION = 'http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:82/~tom-itx/irc/'
[09:06:41] <jthornton> I made cannon wood parts with my CNC mill
[09:06:57] <Tom_L> it's all screwed up now
[09:07:10] <BeachBumPete> that is cool too
[09:07:31] <BeachBumPete> but honestly I am working on making a program to inlet the stock for one of my spring piston airguns
[09:08:04] <BeachBumPete> its kind of a mix of a large diameter tube and a bunch of slots underneath it to accept the cocking linkage and trigger parts
[09:10:32] * jthornton tries to decipher "all screwed up"
[09:11:59] <Tom_itx> Exit 2 nohup python jt-logger.py
[09:12:02] <Tom_itx> no log file
[09:13:03] <BeachBumPete> I am kind of always undecided between doing a 3d model of this type of cut and just doing a 2d drawing and programming the depths and tapers in CAM.
[09:13:03] <jthornton> no line number?
[09:13:08] <Tom_itx> nope
[09:13:12] <jthornton> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dh-HUu8YM1s
[09:14:14] <jthornton> are you using nohup to run the file?
[09:19:35] <BeachBumPete> http://i.imgur.com/EfZUSuV.jpg
[09:21:13] <jthornton> you writing that by hand?
[09:21:34] <BeachBumPete> well no I seldom write anything by hand if you are referring to me LOL
[09:22:22] <tiwake> wooden stockings
[09:22:25] <tiwake> :P
[09:22:54] <jthornton> yea that looked like a fun part to program by hand
[09:23:18] <BeachBumPete> well ya see the slots are dead simple to program really
[09:23:20] <enleth> this might be a dumb question, but - can I actually do any includes in the HAL file?
[09:23:27] <BeachBumPete> but the main cut is actually a large diameter radius
[09:23:50] <BeachBumPete> I was thinking about making it using a 3/8 ball endmill in a 3D pass
[09:24:13] <BeachBumPete> the slots also go quite deep some are thru the stock completely
[09:24:30] <BeachBumPete> I need to order a long length endmill for that
[09:25:46] <jthornton> everything needs to be done in one operation or can you do the bottom then register it to a fixture then do the top?
[09:25:59] <BeachBumPete> I have a large thick chunk of sky blue laminate I need to recreate this in
[09:26:18] <BeachBumPete> honestly I wanted to do the majority of it from the top if not completely
[09:26:48] <jthornton> that does make it a bit easier
[09:26:53] <BeachBumPete> the depth of the front slot will be determined largely by how deep I cut the foreend of the stock and that is an aesthetic/feel thing
[09:27:01] <Tom_L> JT-Shop, yes nohup
[09:27:02] <dioz> any of you old men thread your own black iron pipe?
[09:27:25] <archivist> enleth, http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.6/html/config/ini_config.html#_include_files
[09:27:34] <dioz> i bet 90% of the people in this channel are people who wish they had a 3 axis cnc machine or something along those lines
[09:27:35] <BeachBumPete> the plan is to clamp this new stock to a 12 inch angle plate using a long piece of thick aluminum barstock to keep things straight
[09:27:43] * jthornton goes to check on breakfast
[09:29:44] <enleth> archivist: that's the ini file
[09:29:52] <enleth> archivist: is there an include for hal files?
[09:31:08] <archivist> enleth, you should have examples where it has been done http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/hal/basic-hal.html#_hal_files
[09:32:36] <archivist> enleth, here they are included from the ini http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.6/html/config/ini_config.html#_hal_section_a_id_sub_hal_section_a
[09:33:03] <enleth> ah, OK, missed that last one
[09:33:30] <enleth> not exactly includes, but plenty enough compared to just the genrated and two customs
[09:33:33] <enleth> thanks
[09:56:12] <JT-Shop> Tom_L: what does nohup do?
[09:56:49] * JT-Shop gets a fire going to warm the shop up
[10:01:27] <Tom_L> keeps it running when you close the terminal
[10:08:55] <JT-Shop> is that something you do because it is on a headless server?
[10:09:14] <Tom_L> no, it's because i close the terminal
[10:09:33] <Tom_L> i did do it remotely on the headless server though
[10:10:32] <JT-Shop> do you get an error when you just run the logger with jt-logger.py?
[10:10:33] <Jymmm> Tom_L: why dont you just use screen?
[10:10:50] <JT-Shop> what is screen?
[10:11:01] <Tom_L> yeah because i don't know what screen is
[10:11:18] <Tom_L> frozen pipes thawed...
[10:11:23] <Jymmm> screen allows you to maintian a session even when disconnected, and can reconnect any time
[10:11:38] <Tom_L> nohup works
[10:11:45] <Jymmm> you can even have multiple concurrent connections
[10:12:14] <Jymmm> https://www.gnu.org/software/screen/
[10:12:43] <Jymmm> https://www.gnu.org/software/screen/manual/screen.html
[10:14:04] <Tom_itx> line 322, in create_index
[10:14:04] <Tom_itx> for log in sorted(os.listdir(os.path.join(log_dir, channel)),reverse=True):
[10:14:04] <Tom_itx> OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/home/tom-itx/src/logbot/logs/#av
[10:14:40] <Tom_itx> CHANNELS=['#avr', '#robotics','#garfield','#linuxcnc','#linuxcnc-devel']
[10:15:22] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: you can do stuff like this with screen, disconnect, and reconnect and go right back where you were... https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b5/Gnuscreen.png
[10:15:33] <Tom_itx> it's reading the directory wrong now
[10:15:47] <Tom_itx> LOG_FOLDER = '../../../tom-itx/public_html/irc/logs/'
[10:16:41] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Screen
[10:16:54] <Jymmm> even copy and paste
[10:17:07] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx: log folder should just be 'logs'
[10:17:19] <Tom_itx> line 323, in create_index
[10:17:19] <Tom_itx> for log in sorted(os.listdir(os.path.join(log_dir, channel)),reverse=True):
[10:17:19] <Tom_itx> OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/home/tom-itx/src/logbot/logs/#avr'
[10:17:25] <JT-Shop> it's appended to the path in the program
[10:17:52] <Tom_itx> appended to what path?
[10:18:15] <Tom_itx> they must reside in different directories
[10:18:19] <JT-Shop> LOG_LOCATION = 'http://gnipsel.com/'
[10:18:27] <JT-Shop> LOG_FOLDER = 'logs'
[10:18:32] <Tom_itx> src can't be public
[10:18:38] <Tom_itx> logs must be public
[10:18:59] <JT-Shop> zlog
[10:19:02] <Tom_itx> LOG_LOCATION = 'http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:82/~tom-itx/irc/logs/'
[10:19:12] <Tom_itx> LOG_FOLDER = '/home/tom-itx/public_html/irc/logs/'
[10:19:22] <JT-Shop> that won't work
[10:19:31] <Tom_itx> what to change?
[10:19:34] <JT-Shop> LOG_LOCATION = 'http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:82/~tom-itx/irc/'
[10:19:44] <JT-Shop> LOG_FOLDER = 'logs'
[10:20:12] <JT-Shop> what directory is the logger in?
[10:20:45] <Tom_itx> /home/tom-itx/src/logbot
[10:21:17] <Jymmm> /home/tom/oublic_html/irc/logs/
[10:21:19] <Tom_itx> /home/tom-itx/public_html/irc/logs
[10:21:26] <Tom_itx> is the logfile location
[10:21:37] <Tom_itx> typ o
[10:22:05] <Tom_itx> needs to be that way
[10:22:14] <Jymmm> well, direct access to the ACTUAL log files isn't necessary. The script can read any directory, it doesn't have to be web accessable
[10:22:57] <JT-Shop> jt-logger.py is in /home/tom-itx/public_html/irc/logs ?
[10:23:20] <Tom_itx> no
[10:23:40] <Tom_L> zlogcalendar
[10:23:40] <zlogcalendar> Tom_L: Today's Log http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:82/~tom-itx/irc/logs/logs/#linuxcnc/2016-12-18.html
[10:24:07] <Tom_L> not found
[10:24:25] <Tom_L> no index.html
[10:24:35] <JT-Shop> I'm guessing they are not in logs/logs/
[10:24:46] <Tom_itx> nope
[10:24:52] <JT-Shop> because you have the path configured wrong
[10:25:16] <Tom_itx> LOG_FOLDER = 'logs/'
[10:25:27] <Tom_itx> LOG_LOCATION = 'http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:82/~tom-itx/irc/logs/'
[10:25:51] <JT-Shop> <JT-Shop> jt-logger.py is in /home/tom-itx/public_html/irc/logs ?
[10:26:12] <Tom_itx> jt-logger.py is in /home/tom-itx/src/logbot
[10:26:23] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: I saw a '/src/' path mentioned earlier
[10:26:51] <JT-Shop> ok, have to change the program to use full paths for logs and the logbot
[10:27:15] <Tom_itx> logfiles are in /home/tom-itx/public_html/irc/logs
[10:27:16] <zlogcalendar> Tom_itx: Today's Log http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:82/~tom-itx/irc/logs/logs/#linuxcnc/2016-12-18.html
[10:28:12] <JT-Shop> ok, I understand now... I have to change the program to enable the logs to be in a totally different path from the logger itself
[10:28:26] <Tom_L> JT-Shop, they have to be in separate paths due to the public nature of the logs and the private nature of the code
[10:28:36] <JT-Shop> yes, I see that now
[10:28:59] <Tom_L> that's why i used the ../../ path thing
[10:29:05] <JT-Shop> I'll fix that in the morning... time to play with the grandkids
[10:29:11] <Tom_L> np
[10:33:24] <JT-Shop> is your server setup as a file server too?
[10:34:00] <JT-Shop> I didn't do that on mine so I can't copy from here to there with a file manager
[10:44:13] <Tom_L> yes i think it is
[10:44:33] <Tom_L> i move stuff around all the time
[10:47:55] <Tom_L> JT-Shop what do you use to log in remotely?
[10:56:17] <JT-Shop> to the server ssh
[10:57:00] <Tom_L> trying to set up an act for you
[10:57:04] <Tom_L> do you know how?
[10:57:33] * Jymmm mumbles something about... scp
[10:57:42] <Tom_L> i use it but not remotely
[10:58:38] <Jymmm> well then sftp
[10:59:13] <Tom_L> that too
[10:59:21] <Tom_L> winscp
[10:59:29] <Tom_L> what's x11?
[11:02:00] <Tom_L> meh, gotta run
[11:04:27] <JT-Shop> what did I miss?
[11:12:34] <JT-Shop> hmm sftp seems easy enough to use
[11:21:36] <MacGalempsy> morning guys. you get more snow tgan a light dusting?
[11:22:28] <XXCoder> heh here it dont snow very often. typical maybe one day a year
[11:22:39] <XXCoder> too much ocean warming
[11:23:45] <CaptHindsight> few inches last night down to -15F or so tonight
[11:25:22] <MacGalempsy> CaptHindsight: just enough to make the kids shovel?
[11:27:09] <CaptHindsight> I don't recall them ever shoveling. If they had to they probably would have laid down 12" of salt every winter
[11:30:18] <JT-Shop> XXCoder: I think I figured out what was wrong on my printer
[11:30:28] <XXCoder> yeah?
[11:31:52] <JT-Shop> when I made the X axis rods firmly fixed it caused a problem on Z because the Z rods were not parallel, a bit close at the bottom which made it bind up and miss steps
[11:34:53] <XXCoder> interesting
[11:34:58] <zeeshan> hi
[11:35:05] <XXCoder> so how did you fix that?
[11:37:29] <Tom_L> JT-Shop i'm just not sure how to configure outside access
[11:37:41] <XXCoder> hey zeeshan
[11:37:42] <zeeshan> Tom_L: for linux? :o
[11:37:47] <Tom_L> yeah
[11:37:52] <zeeshan> use ssh
[11:37:54] <zeeshan> server
[11:38:00] <Tom_L> set up a user act and access it remote
[11:38:09] <Tom_L> what ip though?
[11:38:17] <Tom_L> i've done local
[11:38:18] <zeeshan> oh youre behind a router
[11:38:22] <Tom_L> yep
[11:38:23] <archivist> same
[11:38:25] <roycroft> you need to set up port forwarding at your gateway
[11:38:27] <zeeshan> you will need to port forward
[11:38:31] <Tom_L> i have 2
[11:38:33] <roycroft> forward port 22 to your linux machine
[11:38:39] <Tom_L> ok
[11:38:47] <Tom_L> i may have that already
[11:38:48] <zeeshan> port 22 is a bad idea
[11:38:56] <roycroft> then if you ssh to your gateway ip address it will land on your linux machine
[11:38:58] <zeeshan> most hackers try to attack that port :o
[11:39:02] <Tom_L> what other ssh ports do they use?
[11:39:03] <JT-Shop> XXCoder: I just measured the rods on top then set the bottom to the same distance
[11:39:03] <zeeshan> make it a random port =D
[11:39:05] <roycroft> security through obscurity is no security
[11:39:06] <zeeshan> then they gotta port scan
[11:39:08] <roycroft> they will port scan
[11:39:16] <zeeshan> extra effort :p
[11:39:19] <roycroft> so it makes no difference what port you use
[11:39:27] <Tom_L> there's like 65k ports available
[11:39:30] <roycroft> so you might as well use the default port
[11:39:36] <zeeshan> use something from the 30k series
[11:39:37] <zeeshan> :p
[11:40:22] <XXCoder> ah JT-Shop the distnce from 2020 frame to rod?
[11:40:32] <roycroft> using a non-privileged port is a much greater security risk than using the standard port
[11:40:50] <XXCoder> just engrave the data commucation
[11:41:06] <XXCoder> though open port could be exploited
[11:41:39] <roycroft> acl access to your port 22 on your gateway, so that only certain ip addresses can connect to it
[11:42:02] <roycroft> that also helps, but requires static or, at least, persistent ips from the outside machines that you want to use
[11:42:10] <Tom_L> what protocol?
[11:42:15] <Tom_L> tcp?
[11:42:16] <zeeshan> anyone here run an older nakamura lathe?
[11:42:19] <zeeshan> tmc maybe? :D
[11:42:21] <roycroft> yes, tcp port 22
[11:43:05] <roycroft> if you can afford it and you want significantly increased security, you can get a used cisco asa 5505 off ebay for $120 or so
[11:43:11] <roycroft> and use that as your gateway
[11:43:28] <roycroft> then you can set up a vpn tunnel to your network
[11:43:28] <Tom_L> now how do i get to the local user path?
[11:43:45] <roycroft> i'm not sure what you mean by that
[11:43:56] <roycroft> but i'm also not sure what kind of remote access you need to this machine
[11:44:02] <roycroft> i.e. what you need to do remotely
[11:44:05] <Tom_L> i'll figure it out
[11:44:09] <Tom_L> at least i got in
[11:44:23] <MacGalempsy> zeeshan: does that mean your lathe retrofit is progressing?
[11:44:29] <zeeshan> MacGalempsy: yes
[11:44:33] <zeeshan> i took a lot of the covers off y estrerday
[11:44:35] <zeeshan> she's naked
[11:44:40] <zeeshan> need to take more covers off today
[11:44:50] <MacGalempsy> nice. but sounds cold.
[11:44:57] <zeeshan> its warm in theg arage :)
[11:45:08] <roycroft> i have to finish cutting down the tree that is leaning on my roof today
[11:45:26] <JT-Shop> XXCoder: the distance between the 2 Z rods
[11:45:48] <XXCoder> ahh
[11:45:48] <XXCoder> how far off was it?
[11:45:51] <Tom_L> roycroft, how do i limit access to the user directory?
[11:45:58] <Jymmm> roycroft: 2 gallons of gasoline, tree issue resolved
[11:46:06] <kb8wmc> roycroft: I noticed your discussion yesterday re: motor/drivers...have you ever seen this link? https://www.teknic.com/products/clearpath-brushless-dc-servo-motors/clearpath-sd/
[11:47:31] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/qnA3plC.jpg
[11:47:35] <zeeshan> ^ figure this out?!?
[11:47:40] <zeeshan> what is that cylinder for?!?
[11:47:48] <zeeshan> see the 4 bolt pattern? :D
[11:48:06] <XXCoder> air port? coolant port?
[11:48:10] <zeeshan> no
[11:48:11] <zeeshan> its a cylinder
[11:48:16] <zeeshan> it extends out
[11:48:36] <zeeshan> not sure what its used for? parts catcher? tool setter?
[11:48:45] <zeeshan> whatever it held is gone :p
[11:48:54] <MacGalempsy> looks like a spot for a custom beer can holder
[11:48:55] <XXCoder> ya know
[11:49:11] <XXCoder> I ran a lathe that had tool system, it had a arm that you rotate to locking position
[11:49:16] <XXCoder> then touch on it
[11:49:19] <XXCoder> *with tool
[11:49:29] <XXCoder> that does not seem to match in design
[11:49:31] <zeeshan> usually that shit is covered tho
[11:49:40] <zeeshan> i duno
[11:49:41] <zeeshan> =/
[11:49:42] <XXCoder> but same time
[11:49:55] <zeeshan> the hydraulic line goes to a solenoid that says
[11:49:58] <zeeshan> "unloader"
[11:50:02] <zeeshan> so i figure it must be a parts catcher
[11:50:05] <XXCoder> that 4 bolts? may be attachment point for that arm
[11:50:08] <zeeshan> if that's the case, i need to chuck this crap out :p
[11:50:19] <XXCoder> and connector for actuation
[11:50:29] <zeeshan> i can see the cylinder on the other side
[11:50:42] <zeeshan> if i remove the 4 bolts the cylinder falls out
[11:53:14] <MacGalempsy> 6dof robotic arm to load and unload
[11:53:35] <XXCoder> nah part catcher is MUCH more likeluy
[11:53:49] <XXCoder> I ran couple lathes that had that, and that attachment looks right for that.
[11:54:03] <zeeshan> i found 10lb of chips
[11:54:07] <zeeshan> hidden behind a cover
[11:54:08] <zeeshan> :D
[11:54:58] <XXCoder> its supposed to have short block attachment attached to it, which has short arm with bin that can rotate to under chuck and back to hit and drop part into part holder
[11:55:14] <XXCoder> zee do your lathe have a box area at front near the collet?
[11:55:42] <zeeshan> yes
[11:55:49] <zeeshan> its not longer there
[11:55:50] <zeeshan> sealed off
[11:55:55] <XXCoder> well it makes it much more likely.
[12:01:26] <XXCoder> https://motherboard.vice.com/read/the-fcc-just-approved-a-landmark-new-way-for-deaf-people-to-communicate
[12:01:29] <XXCoder> interesting!
[12:01:58] <XXCoder> I guess it means need to remember to type ga and sk again lol
[12:06:35] <XXCoder> RTT definitely nice idea, if texting to 911 may drop or faint before completing, but rtt 911 operator can see part of text and maybe figure out
[12:06:56] <IchGucksLive> hi
[12:07:07] <XXCoder> hey forest ranger
[12:07:17] <kb8wmc> IchGucksLive: good day
[12:07:36] <IchGucksLive> XXCoder: no more forest on duty
[12:07:45] <XXCoder> oh I know was kidding
[12:07:47] <IchGucksLive> kb8wmc: cool milling
[12:08:16] <IchGucksLive> xxcoder it works like charme here with ttt
[12:08:32] <IchGucksLive> i made a German tutorial video first
[12:08:35] <kb8wmc> very good
[12:08:55] <IchGucksLive> https://youtu.be/KRvMIVT8JDM
[12:09:06] <kb8wmc> thank you
[12:09:06] <IchGucksLive> i will do a EN also
[12:09:26] <IchGucksLive> maybe you got the wrong ttt version >3
[12:09:29] <XXCoder> TTT hm thats new to me
[12:09:39] <XXCoder> subbed to channel
[12:09:47] <IchGucksLive> XXCoder: all seams new to you ;-O
[12:10:18] <XXCoder> I set all subbed to email me when new video because youtube filters that new videos email so i dont get to see all new videos.
[12:10:22] <kb8wmc> my version is 4.1.2
[12:10:27] <XXCoder> nah just missed ttt
[12:10:36] <XXCoder> video is blurry
[12:10:56] <IchGucksLive> i can only record 8fsp
[12:11:02] <XXCoder> its increasily blurry across time
[12:11:02] <IchGucksLive> on the real mashione
[12:11:17] <IchGucksLive> ok
[12:11:23] <XXCoder> cant see anything past 0:30 or so
[12:12:30] <IchGucksLive> did you hit fast forward
[12:12:44] <IchGucksLive> or did you look into VLC
[12:13:07] <IchGucksLive> it runs perfect here
[12:13:13] <IchGucksLive> on the pc
[12:13:20] <XXCoder> for first 30 seconds
[12:13:28] <XXCoder> then it blurs out and stays that way
[12:13:59] <XXCoder> odd, seems ok now
[12:14:07] <IchGucksLive> i will check on youtube
[12:14:31] <XXCoder> 1:11 so far still clear. guess it was my end not youtube end
[12:15:25] <IchGucksLive> youtube has problems with fsp below 20
[12:15:31] <IchGucksLive> fps
[12:15:44] <XXCoder> interesting.
[12:15:46] <IchGucksLive> and now dont like optimized ovg
[12:16:04] <IchGucksLive> also the 800x600 is not the best they want
[12:16:12] <XXCoder> youtube also has anti-movement feature that REALLY makes me dizzy
[12:16:17] <IchGucksLive> the upload braks at 4sec first ident
[12:16:26] <XXCoder> I mean anti-shake camera
[12:16:47] <IchGucksLive> ok here the 8 min run without probs
[12:16:55] <XXCoder> yeah same so far
[12:20:36] <zeeshan> why does pcw_home have a goat as his picture on the forums
[12:20:36] <zeeshan> ;D
[12:20:55] <XXCoder> thats his wife stop insulting her!
[12:21:12] <gregcnc> he has several goat's iirc
[12:21:19] <zeeshan> haha that's awesome
[12:21:23] <IchGucksLive> is tom still alive at that low temps
[12:21:29] <gregcnc> phhft fingers and brain have poor connection today
[12:21:35] <IchGucksLive> maybe his wood is frosen
[12:21:55] <XXCoder> lol
[12:22:03] <IchGucksLive> and the internet cable got highspeed as to low temps
[12:22:10] <IchGucksLive> supratec
[12:22:18] <XXCoder> so cold his wood is frozen ;)
[12:22:42] <IchGucksLive> i got long time ago a Nikon astro CAM
[12:22:58] <IchGucksLive> that said at -20Deg SORRY Temp to LOW
[12:23:07] <IchGucksLive> HEEE a Astro cam
[12:23:07] <zeeshan> MacGalempsy: how does the q1900b feel as a desktop computer
[12:23:12] <zeeshan> like surfing the web etc
[12:23:39] <pcw_home> its not a goat
[12:23:50] <IchGucksLive> zeeshan: did someone update the hardware page
[12:23:51] <zeeshan> what is it
[12:24:01] <zeeshan> IchGucksLive: that page is outdated :P
[12:24:13] <IchGucksLive> it has been 3years ago
[12:24:30] <IchGucksLive> ok thanks to pcw we got the 7i92
[12:24:45] <IchGucksLive> full ethernet parport
[12:25:15] <Jymmm> http://www.andysowards.com/blog/2012/60-beautiful-pieces-of-wood-art/
[12:25:53] <zeeshan> IchGucksLive: can you use 7i92 w/ 7i77?
[12:26:29] <IchGucksLive> i know i use 7i76
[12:26:31] <IchGucksLive> e
[12:26:42] <XXCoder> man statue with cube illusions is awesome Jymmm
[12:26:54] <IchGucksLive> Jymmm: looks so blendert
[12:27:05] <Jymmm> XXCoder: =)
[12:30:21] <IchGucksLive> Jesus in spain got a heavy hit today as a rainstorm did make landfall
[12:32:32] <zeeshan> anyone wanna trade a 6i25 for 5i25 :D
[12:32:36] <zeeshan> er
[12:32:39] <zeeshan> 5i25 for 6i25? :D
[12:33:04] <IchGucksLive> get yoiu the rigt pc
[12:33:14] <IchGucksLive> not trade the cadds
[12:33:19] <IchGucksLive> cards
[12:33:29] <IchGucksLive> make more mashines
[12:51:10] <zeeshan> jthornton: GA-H81M-S2H GSM + G3260 ordered
[12:51:18] <zeeshan> i hope i get 5000ns jitter like you!
[12:59:08] <Tom_L> 50000ns?
[12:59:20] <zeeshan> "I'm real happy with my Gigabyte H81M-S2H GSM mother board. The H81M has < 5000 servo period latency, the best I've ever seen. I used a G3260 processor with the H81M."
[12:59:24] <zeeshan> that is his comment on the forum
[13:00:14] <zeeshan> if this works out on my mill comp
[13:00:17] <zeeshan> ill get it for the lathe as well
[13:00:19] <Tom_L> i've been happy with my gigabyte board
[13:00:25] <zeeshan> which one do you have
[13:00:29] <Tom_L> not lcnc though
[13:00:36] <zeeshan> ah
[13:00:43] <zeeshan> i need to be able to chrome it up
[13:00:46] <Tom_L> i forget which board
[13:00:47] <zeeshan> when im running linuxcnc
[13:00:55] <Tom_L> bbl
[13:00:56] <zeeshan> right now my current comp starts freezing
[13:00:57] <zeeshan> :P
[13:01:13] <Tom_L> zeeshan it was -3f here today :D
[13:01:19] <zeeshan> nice :D
[13:01:25] <Tom_L> pipe froze
[13:20:19] <Wolf_> zeeshan: yeah 7i92/7i77 combo works…
[13:20:44] <Wolf_> thats what I have been planning on using
[13:29:35] <zeeshan> so you just hook it up to an ethernet port?
[13:47:22] <t12> https://www.dropbox.com/s/dspu952feiol5ht/ZZZZ1131.MOV?dl=0
[13:47:24] <t12> er
[13:47:33] <t12> maybe of relevance anyway!
[13:51:14] <Wolf_> zeeshan: something like that
[13:52:20] <Wolf_> I asked pcw if it worked and he said yes so… thats my plan. also the reason I was fighting with my lcnc build to get the wifi working
[13:53:52] <Wolf_> even though it would have been smarter/easier to just shove a usb>ethernet adapter on it for internet
[14:11:11] <MacGalempsy> who need wifi anyways?
[14:15:14] <MacGalempsy> Wolf_: setting up mint on a virtual box. jeez that make command takes forever!
[14:15:24] <MacGalempsy> even with the -j5
[14:15:32] <Wolf_> hah yeah
[14:15:44] <Wolf_> mine took 6hrs or some crap the first time
[14:15:52] <Wolf_> not sure how long the 2nd run was
[14:16:09] <pcw_home> do it on a fast CPU, and move the hard drive
[14:16:51] <pcw_home> its fairly painless on a I5/I7 and SSD
[14:17:28] <MacGalempsy> i only allocated 4cpus on the virtual box
[14:18:33] <MacGalempsy> its cool. still trying to get a handle on using linux, so its probably user deficiencies
[14:21:40] <JT-Shop> yea I like the H81
[14:22:02] <MacGalempsy> pcw_home: is it possible to simulate a combination mesa cards on linuxcnc thru the virtual box?
[14:23:56] <pcw_home> No (if you mean simulate the hardware)
[14:27:15] <MacGalempsy> ok
[14:28:21] <MacGalempsy> Wolf_: it just finished the make, so only about 15min
[14:28:55] <Wolf_> hah, nice
[14:29:14] <Wolf_> what system specs ?
[14:29:52] <MacGalempsy> well its a virtual box, so I think it gets limited, but its 4cpus of a xeon chip and 12gb ram
[14:30:05] <MacGalempsy> 25gb of SSD space
[15:27:03] <zeeshan> Wolf_: why not just use pci
[15:27:12] <zeeshan> i dont see the point of using ethernet instead of pci/pci-e
[15:27:24] <Wolf_> cause then I can’t use a sexy 1u case
[15:27:25] <zeeshan> t12: what song is that?
[15:27:38] <zeeshan> Wolf_: dont you have one of those swinging control panels
[15:27:40] <zeeshan> on your machine
[15:27:44] <zeeshan> im planning to dump my crap in there
[15:27:47] <zeeshan> all the control stuff
[15:27:48] <Wolf_> no
[15:27:57] <zeeshan> ah okay
[15:28:03] <Wolf_> this is for my plasma table build
[15:28:07] <zeeshan> ah
[15:28:31] <Wolf_> http://i.imgur.com/DQwwUNg.jpg http://i.imgur.com/nJjhQHD.jpg
[15:28:36] <Wolf_> small case is small
[15:32:36] <jasonsmr> hello linuxcnc
[15:34:45] <jasonsmr> using debian wheezy as latest build correct?
[15:34:56] <jasonsmr> so udev now no hal?
[15:43:58] <jthornton> for a joypad?
[15:52:18] <MacGalempsy> zeeshan: i dont have a q1900b. I have a j1900n
[16:03:28] <sigi_> Hallo zusammen wĂĽrde Hilfe bei gmoccapy brauchen
[16:11:55] <Deejay> gn8
[16:13:48] <sigi_> Wie kann man in diesem Chat eine Frage stellen
[16:17:20] <CaptHindsight> sigi_: ask away
[16:18:11] <CaptHindsight> ask away = yes = just ask
[16:20:00] <Jymmm> Fragen Sie nicht zu fragen, nur fragen.
[16:21:05] <CaptHindsight> No le pida a preguntar, sĂłlo hay que preguntar.
[16:21:13] <Jymmm> Fragen Sie nicht zu fragen, nur fragen. Aber Englisch wird bevorzugt
[16:21:54] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Wut? --> Do not ask her to ask, just ask.
[16:22:38] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Your TranslateFu is no good!
[16:23:06] <sigi_> Bei der Oberfläche gmoccapy wenn ich ein MDI Comando eingebe wird dieses auch ausgeführ
[16:23:15] <CaptHindsight> No pregunte solo pregunte
[16:24:17] <sigi_> aber wenn ich dieses unter dem Ordner Macro eine dadei erstelle und dieses auch in der ini eintrage dieses komando nicht ausgefĂĽhrt
[16:24:55] <sigi_> habe eigentlich alle so wie in der Anleitung beschrieben ist gemacht
[16:25:44] <sigi_> Der Befehl in der ngc datei hat auch den richtigen namen
[16:29:23] <CaptHindsight> it runs properly when entered as MDI? Es läuft ordnungsgemäß, wenn als MDI eingegeben?
[16:30:26] <CaptHindsight> but does not run properly when run as a program? Aber nicht ordnungsgemäß ausgeführt, wenn als Programm ausgeführt?
[16:32:32] <sigi_> ja als MDI läuft es aber wenn ich einen button anlegen möchte geht diese nicht
[16:33:36] <sigi_> ich bekomme die Meldung file not open es ist eine Simulation Maschine
[16:35:41] <CaptHindsight> sigi_: Gibt es docs in deutsch fĂĽr gmoccapy?
[16:36:34] <sigi_> der befehl wäre ( G92 X0 Y0 )
[16:37:07] <sigi_> auf axis habe ich damit keine probleme
[16:37:34] <CaptHindsight> Versuchen, dies zu fragen wieder 18 Stunden ab jetzt
[16:38:25] <CaptHindsight> Es gibt ein paar deutsche Referenten hier, aber so spät heute
[16:39:05] <sigi_> okay sorry my english is not so good that ask it in english
[16:40:48] <CaptHindsight> your English is better than my German, it's been too long for me
[16:41:59] <sigi_> okay thanks and good night
[16:42:20] <CaptHindsight> not sure who is a gmoccapy expert
[16:42:43] <CaptHindsight> also ask on the mail list or the forums
[16:43:06] <CaptHindsight> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
[16:43:42] <CaptHindsight> https://forum.linuxcnc.org/gmoccapy
[16:45:49] <sigi_> Yes this forum I know
[16:47:49] <sigi_> on axis i have no problems to make the buttons
[16:49:08] <sigi_> sorry the button to make is not the problem
[16:51:08] <sigi_> Thank you and I'll try again tomorrow
[17:59:07] <zeeshan> i present to you.. an almost stripped lathe
[17:59:08] <zeeshan> http://imgur.com/a/gFnt8
[17:59:09] <zeeshan> :D
[17:59:46] <Tom_L> lathe pron
[18:00:01] <zeeshan> casting is huge
[18:00:30] <zeeshan> i think im going to do a full rebuild
[18:00:37] <zeeshan> mostly because i want to learn
[18:01:37] <andypugh> What’s the stuff at the back of the spindle?
[18:01:45] <zeeshan> the belts?
[18:01:59] <zeeshan> or the silver looking thing
[18:02:10] <andypugh> Ah, lots of belts? And one single belt to an encodulator?
[18:02:13] <zeeshan> silver looking thing is the collet closer
[18:02:19] <zeeshan> chuck closer
[18:02:26] <zeeshan> yes
[18:02:37] <zeeshan> frigging 10 belts going from the transmission to the head unit
[18:02:42] <andypugh> That seems to be an _awful lot of belts
[18:02:45] <zeeshan> lol
[18:03:05] <Tom_L> redundancy
[18:03:59] <zeeshan> im pretty sure im going to scrap the part catcher
[18:04:12] <zeeshan> i dont have the mecahnism. just the hydraulic actutator
[18:08:10] <MacGalempsy> zeeshan: that drive motor is huge
[18:10:35] <andypugh> Where are you seeing the motor?
[18:10:47] <MacGalempsy> all the way to the left?
[18:11:13] <andypugh> No, that’s a welder :-)
[18:11:21] <MacGalempsy> :)
[18:11:24] <Wolf_> lol yeah, spindle motor isn’t in the pic
[18:11:49] <MacGalempsy> what is the grey thing with the fat black cable coming out of it?
[18:12:02] <andypugh> MacGalempsy: I think what you are seeing as the motor is only the _belts_ that take the drive from the motor
[18:12:18] <Wolf_> hydro actuated collet/chuck closer
[18:12:26] <MacGalempsy> ahhh. ok
[18:12:48] <Wolf_> motor is bigger then that mess you can see I bet lol
[18:14:13] <CaptHindsight> nice to get all that useless sheet metal out of the way
[18:15:03] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/oH2zCdh.jpg
[18:15:13] <zeeshan> only pics i have of trans and motor
[18:15:21] <zeeshan> CaptHindsight: it isnt useless! it keeps chips in
[18:15:23] <zeeshan> ill put it back in
[18:15:43] <MacGalempsy> does it already have a vfd?
[18:15:45] <Wolf_> damn, I was hoping to see pics of chips stuck in to the celing :P
[18:15:45] <CaptHindsight> chips schmips
[18:15:55] <MacGalempsy> salsa?
[18:16:01] <zeeshan> MacGalempsy: im scrapping all the original stuff
[18:16:06] <zeeshan> its all 3phjase
[18:16:25] <MacGalempsy> how much you got into it already?
[18:16:38] <MacGalempsy> subsidizing it with gold mining?
[18:16:39] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: you gettin 3 phases to yer garage?
[18:16:45] <zeeshan> i bought the lathe for 5500 i think
[18:16:46] <zeeshan> its been a while
[18:17:15] <zeeshan> CaptHindsight: nope :P
[18:17:57] <MacGalempsy> we may be moving back to OKC, so I told the wife I will just get a warehouse with a shower. just as long as it has 3ph
[18:18:14] <zeeshan> haha
[18:18:27] <zeeshan> is the oil industry not doing well still?
[18:18:29] <MacGalempsy> she has another year of school
[18:18:39] <MacGalempsy> zeeshan: got several resume requests this week
[18:18:48] <CaptHindsight> oil should bounce back this spring
[18:18:58] <MacGalempsy> yea. its already going up
[18:19:07] <MacGalempsy> you may look into a stock called USO
[18:19:08] <zeeshan> nice man, good for you!
[18:19:21] <MacGalempsy> well, its been 14 months of hanging out
[18:19:32] <CaptHindsight> oil, gas, no future for the grand kids, etc
[18:19:57] <MacGalempsy> who cares about grand kids?
[18:19:59] <_methods> buy stock in brawndo
[18:20:11] <CaptHindsight> coal should also be doing well
[18:20:28] <MacGalempsy> one guy called and he was supposedly getting requests for multirig consulting contracts
[18:20:46] <zeeshan> mac what do you end up doing for this companies
[18:20:49] <zeeshan> tell them where to dig?
[18:21:18] <MacGalempsy> as they directionally drill, I analyze the real-time data and send reports
[18:21:30] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: somebody mounted your load center sideways :)
[18:21:31] <MacGalempsy> usually they either, turn up, turn down, or hold course
[18:21:31] <zeeshan> to see what they're drilling through?
[18:21:50] <MacGalempsy> attempting to keep it in certain zone
[18:22:18] <MacGalempsy> the data is usually gamma ray curves from downhole sensors
[18:23:03] <MacGalempsy> the other guy who called has a position that I would be proposing new wells and such
[18:23:36] <zeeshan> nice
[18:26:43] <andypugh> MacGalempsy: Any sympathy for the viewpoint that we should leave it in the ground in case we find a better use for it than burning it?
[18:27:15] <zeeshan> andypugh: i hope not
[18:27:18] <zeeshan> i need gas for the v8!
[18:27:21] <MacGalempsy> not from an unemployed geologist :)
[18:27:38] <zeeshan> and you need gas for your motorcycle :)
[18:28:06] <MacGalempsy> I would prefer coverting everything to natural gas
[18:29:18] <MacGalempsy> andypugh: unfortunately, current technology cannot sustain the BTU we need at an affordable price
[18:29:32] <andypugh> I want my motorcycle to run on Thoroum.
[18:29:38] <andypugh> Err, Thorium.
[18:30:03] <Jymmm> MacGalempsy: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/c5/da/16/c5da16336742a5c703bfdf3f4fdf87dd.jpg
[18:30:04] <MacGalempsy> yes.
[18:30:12] <MacGalempsy> :)
[18:30:15] <andypugh> What does the “B” stand for in your BTU?
[18:30:29] <Roguish> British
[18:30:32] <Jymmm> Bloody BHell
[18:30:33] <Roguish> Thermal Unit
[18:30:52] <Jymmm> Bastard
[18:30:54] <andypugh> We might sell it to you, we don’t use it any more.
[18:31:21] <Jymmm> andypugh: We got a bridge for sale... cheap
[18:31:57] <andypugh> Would it be over Lake Havasu by any chance?
[18:32:13] <Jymmm> Yes, yes it would
[18:33:12] <MacGalempsy> Burnt Toast User
[18:34:32] <MacGalempsy> how small of a reactor would be needed to power your scooter?
[18:36:01] <andypugh> MacGalempsy: I don’t mind having too much power.
[18:36:16] <andypugh> 1GW would be about right.
[18:36:21] <MacGalempsy> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3832725/World-s-smallest-nuclear-power-plant-China-developing-reactor-tiny-fit-shipping-container.html
[18:36:44] <MacGalempsy> bump it up to 1.21 GW so atleast you can get to time travel, too
[18:36:51] <Jymmm> andypugh: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e9/London_Bridge%2C_Havasu_Lake_-_NARA_-_548924_-_Crop_and_retouch.jpg
[18:37:36] <andypugh> Jymmm: You are aware that the purchaser was perfectly well aware which bridge he was buying?
[18:37:41] <MacGalempsy> you think he had buyer remorse after figuring out he bought the wrong bridge?
[18:38:12] <Jymmm> ???
[18:39:22] <MacGalempsy> that "portable" battery pack is 20ftx8.7ft
[18:39:34] <MacGalempsy> you may need a trailer for it
[18:43:36] <SpeedEvil> Small reactors aren't really interesting.
[18:43:51] <SpeedEvil> The proliferation or damage concerns are insane.
[18:55:39] <Roguish> http://terrapower.com/
[18:59:14] <CaptHindsight> thorium won't be allowed since one may derive weapons grade material from its waste
[18:59:35] <zeeshan> why
[18:59:42] <zeeshan> some of my tungstens have thorium :P
[19:00:26] <SpeedEvil> I have most of a kilo of uranium in my house.
[19:00:37] <zeeshan> in the soil? :D
[19:01:12] <SpeedEvil> It's made of granite.
[19:01:40] <andypugh> Uranium glass is very pretty. I should get some.
[19:02:17] <andypugh> http://www.ebay.com/itm/5-Vintage-VASELINE-Glass-SAFEDGE-Water-Glasses-w-Original-Box-URANIUM-Yellow-/152349363493?hash=item2378bacd25:g:PtsAAOSwcLxYJS6o
[19:03:12] <MacGalempsy> i believe it depends on the concentration
[19:03:41] <MacGalempsy> besides, everyone should beable to make uranium flouride gas and use it in long underground slanted chambers
[19:03:57] <CaptHindsight> didn't solar just drop below the price of wind power?
[19:06:08] <MacGalempsy> Major energy sources and percent share of total U.S. electricity generation in 2015:1
[19:06:09] <MacGalempsy> Coal = 33%
[19:06:09] <MacGalempsy> Natural gas = 33%
[19:06:09] <MacGalempsy> Nuclear = 20%
[19:06:09] <MacGalempsy> Hydropower = 6%
[19:06:10] <MacGalempsy> Other renewables = 7%
[19:06:12] <MacGalempsy> Biomass = 1.6%
[19:06:15] <MacGalempsy> Geothermal = 0.4%
[19:06:17] <MacGalempsy> Solar = 0.6%
[19:06:19] <MacGalempsy> Wind = 4.7%
[19:06:21] <MacGalempsy> Petroleum = 1%
[19:06:23] <MacGalempsy> Other gases = <1%
[19:06:32] <zeeshan> i find it pretty funny how coal is still up there
[19:06:55] <MacGalempsy> Clean coal is funny
[19:07:06] <MacGalempsy> its right up there with clean dirt
[19:07:13] <andypugh> UK mix. Live data: http://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk
[19:08:41] <MacGalempsy> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cost_of_electricity_by_source#United_States
[19:09:12] <MacGalempsy> i think with pipeline infrastructure natural gas would be even cheaper
[19:09:31] <zeeshan> need more geothermal
[19:09:55] <MacGalempsy> I contend that would require more infrastructure
[19:10:03] <CaptHindsight> or anything that runs on BS
[19:11:36] <MacGalempsy> with wind and solar panels, there is a land-based limit
[19:11:49] <andypugh> During the day the UK solar % is surprisingly high. But it is zero at the moment.
[19:12:49] <MacGalempsy> how about lunar panels?
[19:13:24] <CaptHindsight> or moon powered generator
[19:13:41] <pcw_home> uranium glass has very little uranium, but orange uranium glaze (say old fiestaware) is pretty hot
[19:14:25] <andypugh> MacGalempsy: An interesting thing I didn’t know until I read it: http://what-if.xkcd.com/145/
[19:15:29] <andypugh> There is a cerain amount of moon-power used around the world. Folk selfishly accelerating the moons death-spiral into the earth.
[19:20:07] <andypugh> Work tomorrow. Time to go.
[19:20:12] <MacGalempsy> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cost_of_electricity_by_source#United_States
[19:20:36] <MacGalempsy> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-4RE__iBgs
[19:21:09] <MacGalempsy> ruby laser power supply!
[19:24:14] <MacGalempsy> i like what happens to the aluminum foil
[19:27:06] <gregcnc> the cd was cool
[19:29:27] <gregcnc> I once discharged 75V/75,000uF into a small 10V cap, nothing left
[19:30:11] <MacGalempsy> gregcnc: have you watched any of his other laser videos?
[19:30:25] <gregcnc> i can't stand that guy
[19:30:40] <MacGalempsy> cuz hes a punk kid?
[19:30:55] <gregcnc> not sure
[19:31:27] <gregcnc> maybe the presentation
[19:31:42] <gregcnc> it's not that his projects aren't interesting
[19:32:53] <MacGalempsy> that 200w laser bazooka is pretty cool
[19:32:57] <gregcnc> i don't watch nycnc either and he has a huge following. i'm probably just weird
[19:35:01] <MacGalempsy> you seem more like a Titan of CNC guy
[19:35:11] <MacGalempsy> :)
[19:35:50] <gregcnc> he's over the top, i haven't watched much of him yet to have an opinion
[19:39:20] <trentster> does anyone know the thumbsuck ratio of aluminium to steel plate thickness:strength equivalency
[19:39:44] <trentster> e.g 6mm thick Alu is equivalent to 3mm Steel ?
[19:48:43] <Roguish> trentster: not a good comparison
[19:49:03] <Roguish> are you looking for strength? or stiffness?
[19:49:18] <t12> zeeshan: https://vimeo.com/10402914
[19:51:09] <XXCoder> vimeo suck
[19:52:30] <gregcnc> compression testing concrete samples
[19:53:38] <trentster> Roguish: its for the green plate shown in this image, I plan on getting it waterjet cut: https://sli.mg/UvCevd
[19:54:09] <trentster> it will hold multiple 80x80 aluminium extrusions together
[19:58:15] <Roguish> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strength_of_materials
[19:58:17] <trentster> I think I would prefer aluminium vs steel for a couple of reasons, its flat(more) does not have to be powder coated and I have 6mm alu plate in the garage
[19:59:25] <Roguish> if that's all it's for, and the rest of your system is aluminum (8020) us the aluminum. what alloy is it? the alloy and temper determines the strength
[20:00:27] <Roguish> trentster: is that your model? or someone else's?
[20:01:10] <trentster> Roguish: Thanks, its my model and the stock is 6061 if I recall
[20:01:36] <Computer_barf> hey guys, im making some candy molds, basically rounded edged coins with some text engraved on the bottom. I am using round endmills to achieve the rounded edges.
[20:01:56] <Computer_barf> im not sure if I need to also use a flat bottom endmill to assure the bottom of the mould doesn't have scalloping
[20:02:01] <Roguish> ok. looks fine. 6061. what temper? is it T0 or T6 or ????
[20:02:23] <trentster> Phoning the supplier to find out….
[20:02:31] <Computer_barf> of if I can just turn up the overlapp until it flattens it out through many passes
[20:03:21] <Roguish> T0 is dead soft. low strenght. T6 us full hardened. much better strength. but they are both the same stiffness.
[20:05:01] <trentster> Roguish: the supplier says the sheet is actually : 5005 H34
[20:05:15] <trentster> not sure what that means in US equivalency, I am in AU
[20:05:21] <trentster> googling it now
[20:05:25] <gregcnc> same
[20:05:47] <trentster> gregcnc: G'day mate :-)
[20:06:48] <gregcnc> that's soft stuff
[20:08:09] <trentster> yeah its apparently medium strength
[20:08:14] <Roguish> looks to be a medium strength alloy. but should still be ok. you're not loading it very much if it's just that end plate, essentially holding things together.
[20:08:57] <gregcnc> anyone know if C3 has much meaning in Timken spindle bearings? it's an timken code, not clearance
[20:09:26] <trentster> I wonder if its worth trying it anyway for the prototype machine vs buying new stock. I dont think this application needs extremely high strength, there will be a ton of bolts at close spacing holding everything stiff anyway
[20:10:09] <trentster> Roguish: yup, thats my thoughts exactly. I think it should be fine
[20:11:09] <Roguish> trentster: go for it. look through that wikipedia doc. if you get a handle on the difference between stiffness and strength you will be miles ahead..... both are fundamental in engineering
[20:11:28] <trentster> The waterjet place said they will charge me one flat fee for the sheet I have, so I guess I should try and nest in as many parts as possible.
[20:12:19] <trentster> Roguish: yeah thanks for the link, altho not an engineering brain, I will try and wrap my head around it.
[20:13:33] <trentster> Fusion 360 can do load and force simulation, but I have not figured out how it works yet.
[20:38:29] <gregcnc> Computer_barf consider corner radius endmills. finishing a flat surface with ball mill will require a lot of hand finishing
[20:40:54] <zeeshan> man
[20:40:55] <zeeshan> im bored!
[20:41:03] <zeeshan> even after pulling the lathe apart
[20:41:08] <zeeshan> need something else to do :O
[20:41:12] <XXCoder> make me 55mm spindle clamp lol
[20:41:25] <zeeshan> :/!
[20:41:31] <gregcnc> hey you asked
[20:41:47] <zeeshan> im wondering if i should pull the turrett off the machine
[20:41:51] <zeeshan> or just play around with it on the machine
[20:41:56] <gregcnc> how can you be married and not have a list a mile long?
[20:42:06] <zeeshan> im kinda wanting to check the condition of the ways
[20:42:23] <zeeshan> i technically should be renovating my laundry room
[20:42:26] <zeeshan> and kitchen
[20:42:29] <zeeshan> but too lazy :P
[20:42:30] <gregcnc> see
[20:42:35] <zeeshan> its not as interesting!
[20:42:59] <gregcnc> doesn't mean you have nothign to do, but is the same reason my honeydo list is longer then my list
[20:43:04] <XXCoder> I should be finishing up autolevel sensor but bleh
[20:43:08] <XXCoder> being sick dont help
[20:43:11] <XXCoder> *does not
[20:43:38] <gregcnc> yeah I was sick this week too
[20:43:57] <BeachBumPete> cool man I managed to fix my little portable compressor for $3.50
[20:44:05] <zeeshan> pete did you see the stripped lathe pic?
[20:44:06] <zeeshan> :D
[20:44:20] <BeachBumPete> no
[20:44:42] <zeeshan> http://imgur.com/a/gFnt8
[20:44:44] <zeeshan> she's nekkid
[20:45:23] <BeachBumPete> looks a little easier to work on that way huh
[20:45:33] <zeeshan> yea man!
[20:45:39] <zeeshan> its crazy how compact it becomes when you remove the cover
[20:45:50] <zeeshan> with slant bed you can frigging stand in between the tailstock and the chuck
[20:45:52] <zeeshan> kinda scary haha
[20:46:13] <BeachBumPete> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOTyFVKmXt8&t=3s
[20:46:42] <XXCoder> that video uses anti-shaky feature of youtube
[20:46:44] <BeachBumPete> this is what I did and I am amazed it worked so well.
[20:46:52] <XXCoder> which makes it unwatchable for me
[20:46:55] <BeachBumPete> so pleased
[20:47:18] <BeachBumPete> I was just about to have to run down to Home depot and drop another hundred and fifty bucks on a decent portable compressor
[20:47:28] <zeeshan> nice dude
[20:47:41] <BeachBumPete> I also put new brakes on the wifes car
[20:48:07] <BeachBumPete> now I am back to working on the 3d model of the inletting on my weirauch HW77/97 rifle stock
[20:48:22] <BeachBumPete> so I can program the damn thing and get a test cut going
[20:48:34] <zeeshan> :D
[20:48:41] <zeeshan> what color should i paint the lathe?
[20:48:44] <zeeshan> green like the mill?
[20:48:51] <zeeshan> white is an awful color for a machine
[20:49:04] <BeachBumPete> I painted mine an off/white/grey color
[20:49:12] <gregcnc> why would you paint it?
[20:49:17] <XXCoder> zeeshan: paint it red then black over it. so chips expose the red
[20:49:18] <zeeshan> to keep it clean
[20:49:29] <gregcnc> not using it will keep it clean
[20:51:12] <zeeshan> the light green mikron paint has grown on me
[20:51:31] <zeeshan> i guess the easiest thing to do is clean the current panels
[20:51:34] <zeeshan> and leave it white :P
[20:51:38] <BeachBumPete> I painted my RF45 an off white color too. I much prefer it to the green it was
[20:52:04] <zeeshan> my prob w/ white is even dirty finger prints show up really easily
[20:52:10] <zeeshan> but i guess at the same time
[20:52:14] <zeeshan> it forces you to keep it clean :)
[20:52:18] <gregcnc> RAL7001
[20:52:30] <XXCoder> make it belige
[20:52:53] <zeeshan> white not ral 6018
[20:53:09] <zeeshan> or 6011
[20:53:10] <zeeshan> :D
[20:55:36] <zeeshan> ral 7001 is growing on me
[20:56:04] <roycroft> this is the beginning of the trump regime
[20:56:06] <gregcnc> I had my ancient delta bandsaw powdered in RAL 7035
[20:56:12] <roycroft> so the obvious color to paint the lathe is gold
[20:56:23] <zeeshan> i think i wouldnt mind white
[20:56:27] <zeeshan> its the offwhite that annoys me
[20:56:32] <zeeshan> it looks so dull and like puke
[20:56:44] <zeeshan> even ral 7035 looks nice
[20:56:46] <XXCoder> you'll love belige
[20:56:54] <XXCoder> perfectly boring color
[20:57:12] <XXCoder> if it was any more boring it'd turn into boring black hole
[20:57:21] <BeachBumPete> my Cincinatti is a kind of beige and it is a pleasing color honestly
[20:57:29] <roycroft> boring is a good thing for a lathe
[20:57:41] <zeeshan> http://www.gaec.com/images/k12631a.jpg
[20:57:44] <zeeshan> like that pete?
[20:57:50] <zeeshan> that looks very white to me!
[20:57:51] <BeachBumPete> yup
[20:58:08] <XXCoder> light belige
[20:58:08] <zeeshan> compare that to my lathe
[20:58:16] <zeeshan> my lathe is gross
[20:58:22] <BeachBumPete> http://i.imgur.com/HVM619z.jpg
[20:58:40] <zeeshan> looks white to me :D
[20:58:49] <BeachBumPete> its not
[20:58:53] <XXCoder> second picture controller board is white
[20:58:59] <BeachBumPete> in fact it is a lot more beige than white
[20:59:01] <XXCoder> rest light belige
[20:59:22] <XXCoder> BeachBumPete: you didnt reuse buttons and e-stop and so on?
[20:59:23] <BeachBumPete> controller board is beige too LOL just a lighter cleaner version
[20:59:34] <BeachBumPete> sure did
[20:59:44] <BeachBumPete> the buttons and estop and MPG on there are all original
[21:00:14] <BeachBumPete> I got rid of the rest and use a neat industrial waterproof.dustproof keyboard
[21:00:49] <BeachBumPete> I am planning at some point to add a bunch of additional buttons and rotary knobs to a machined panel that willl fit in the bottom of that beige panel
[21:01:03] <gregcnc> zeeshan my ppor lathe
[21:01:05] <gregcnc> http://www.dieselrc.com/x/temp/clausing4900.jpg
[21:01:11] <XXCoder> cool, though what was wrong with orginals?
[21:01:23] <BeachBumPete> nice little clausing
[21:01:27] <zeeshan> gregcnc: you got the same color as me
[21:01:28] <zeeshan> gross!
[21:01:29] <zeeshan> :D
[21:01:38] <zeeshan> im digging that maroon tho
[21:01:42] <trentster> Anyone have a clue what kind of coupler this is? https://sli.mg/p6eaAL
[21:01:50] <gregcnc> maroon and cream to match the school colors it came from!
[21:01:51] <BeachBumPete> that bicture of the Cinci you posted looks sweet!
[21:01:56] <trentster> and WTH do I get another with a bigger bore?
[21:02:39] <BeachBumPete> I saw the neatest idea today while researching how to repair my portable compressor
[21:02:48] <BeachBumPete> I may have to try it here soon
[21:03:07] <gregcnc> trentster I bet it's plastic and splines
[21:03:47] <gene_> lo all
[21:04:20] <gene_> anybody here useing a raspi?
[21:04:50] <XXCoder> no but I use a CHIP. close enough? lol
[21:05:17] <BeachBumPete> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ozAz1K_r3Q
[21:05:56] <zeeshan> i saw oxtool build a compressor
[21:06:00] <zeeshan> out of an ac compressor
[21:06:03] <zeeshan> really quiet
[21:06:06] <trentster> gregcnc: its one huge coupling spider, I really just need a bigger bore on the motor side is all.
[21:06:07] <BeachBumPete> isnt that cool
[21:06:11] <zeeshan> yes
[21:06:39] <zeeshan> i think his built 40psi
[21:06:42] <zeeshan> i forget
[21:06:53] <BeachBumPete> I understand they are slow to refill but this guy used two of them. I was thinking of using three home AC unit compressors
[21:07:03] <BeachBumPete> oh they will go pretty high pressure
[21:07:11] <BeachBumPete> just not do it quickly
[21:07:19] <BeachBumPete> which is why you would use more than one
[21:07:24] <trentster> BeachBumPete: yeah I was thinking of doing the same, they are nice and quite
[21:07:24] <XXCoder> heh if we ever find a way to do artifical gravity then we can have instantly regenerating compressed air
[21:08:17] <zeeshan> man this machine is so filthy
[21:08:21] <Computer_barf> is it possible to achieve a flat surface with a ball endmill? or will it always produce scalloping?
[21:08:24] <zeeshan> im looking through my pics
[21:08:31] <zeeshan> i've never seen soo much sludge in my life
[21:08:37] <XXCoder> Computer_barf: well theorically.
[21:08:41] <zeeshan> the oil and chips have made a wax literally
[21:09:00] <XXCoder> its like ingeration, the more fine slices the more accurate it is
[21:09:10] <Computer_barf> XXCoder: im making a candy mould, a coin shape with a rounded edges,
[21:09:36] <Computer_barf> not sure if just having the endmill overlap many times will flatten it or if i need to do two operations
[21:09:50] <XXCoder> you can opt in for very time-expensive contour to get it close enough to sand flat
[21:10:17] <XXCoder> but you virtually cant mill it perfectly flat unless it's EXTREMELY long milling job
[21:10:31] <gregcnc> compressor https://www.instagram.com/p/BJILRdXA0bU/
[21:11:00] <Computer_barf> i just worry changing the endmills, they wont be exactly the same length
[21:11:22] <XXCoder> whats your tolence anyway
[21:12:01] <BeachBumPete> trentster I spoke to my friend Mark who is an AC guy he is gonna grab me a Home AC compressor the next time he swaps out a unit.
[21:12:19] <BeachBumPete> I am going to do some testing with it and see how it works for compressor duty
[21:12:33] <trentster> nice to have friends in the right places ;-)
[21:13:03] <gene_> Its been my experience that the compressor outlasts themotor turning it
[21:13:05] <BeachBumPete> yeah he said I wish I would have called him he just scrapped three of them last week LOL
[21:13:24] <gregcnc> when you look for an unloader valve, find one with a threaded fitting for the exhaust so you can put a silencer on it.
[21:13:41] <trentster> BeachBumPete: typical haha
[21:13:52] <gregcnc> I have a california air tool and it's quiet enough until the tank is full
[21:14:02] <BeachBumPete> I would LOVE to have a shop compressor that could run as fast as my 80 gallon standup but is even half as loud
[21:14:27] <BeachBumPete> those are apparently made using similar tech depending on which one you have
[21:15:29] <gregcnc> pete, do you run a aftercooler?
[21:15:54] <XXCoder> BeachBumPete: any ponental sound muffling solution for your compressor?
[21:17:19] <gene_> I made up some adapters and put a B&S muffler on my little 90 psi thing for tires & general cleanup here in the garage. Made a huge diff when the intake was muffled.
[21:17:42] * zeeshan moved my big compressor into thje basement
[21:17:45] <zeeshan> problem solved
[21:17:46] <zeeshan> :D
[21:17:48] <BeachBumPete> I looked at doing some of those things
[21:18:40] <BeachBumPete> but honestly if the AC compressor setup worked none of it would be near as effective
[21:18:59] <BeachBumPete> don't have a basement here in florida unless you want it submerged
[21:19:31] <gregcnc> put it in the neighbor's garage
[21:19:37] <XXCoder> underwater comopressor would be quite quiet I would think. just need inlet above it lol
[21:19:46] <zeeshan> rofl gregcnc :D
[21:20:01] <zeeshan> XXCoder: majority of the noise is from the exhaust
[21:20:13] <zeeshan> exhaust into the water :D
[21:20:23] <XXCoder> compressor exhaust?
[21:20:27] <gene_> or you cut up somebodies python in the drive belt. Messy that...
[21:21:21] <zeeshan> XXCoder: yes
[21:21:37] <gregcnc> someone had 2HP 10gallon california air comps for $200 this week
[21:21:51] <XXCoder> gas type compressor?
[21:23:24] <XXCoder> one that uses gasoline engine to compress gas
[21:27:57] <BeachBumPete> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThTC2r7_SmQ This is kinda well done but needs more than one compressor
[21:30:13] <XXCoder> in my case as long as I don't feel it and neighbors dont complain I dont care lol
[21:32:10] <CaptHindsight> are there any 80-150 gal few HP single stage compressors on sale anywhere?
[21:34:31] <BeachBumPete> CaptHindsight LOL if I can figure out how to make this work I might be selling one :)
[21:38:24] <XXCoder> had a random thought, if can liquidify air could it be pumped into air tank and it would warm up and becomes pressured air since liquidified air is pretty lot compressed techinically
[21:39:11] <CaptHindsight> temperature and pressure
[21:39:23] <pcw_home> put a little too much in and you may be sorry
[21:39:59] <XXCoder> pcw yeah I was thinking that it would be indeed very possible to put in too much]
[21:40:31] <XXCoder> is there such thing as air compressor thats strong enough to liquidify air inside it by pressure?
[21:40:39] <XXCoder> (ignoring water contents)
[21:40:59] <CaptHindsight> how do you think that they make liquid gases?
[21:41:36] <CaptHindsight> next question: at what temperature? :)
[21:41:47] <XXCoder> hmm stirling cryo air liquidifer. I guess I didnt think of more choices past that lol
[21:42:12] <XXCoder> air compressor do extract some heat out of air as its compressing it
[21:42:39] <XXCoder> I guess it means its also techinically a bad heat pump
[21:42:43] <CaptHindsight> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquid_air
[21:44:02] <XXCoder> nazis tried to make bomb out of liquid air and coal
[21:45:38] <CaptHindsight> dirty nazis
[21:45:50] <XXCoder> in this case quite literally
[21:55:53] <trentster> Ok folks, I need some guidance here, trying to figure out the wiring on this motor that came with the linear actuator(I assume its a stepper) it has 8 wires (black) (stripe-black) (yellow) (stripe yellow) (red) (stripe red) (orange) (stripe orange) — every stripe pair if held together cause resistance when I turn the shaft, not sure what is the correct way to wire it in parallel…any tips?
[21:58:29] <trentster> I have a multimeter and the motor has zero markings or serial numbers on it.
[21:59:05] <XXCoder> fancy
[21:59:22] <XXCoder> I guess its 4 coil stepper but besides that dunno
[21:59:27] <XXCoder> is coil right word
[21:59:59] <trentster> XXCoder: thanks, yeah I have no clue myself, but its not like any 8 wire stepper I have ever seen
[22:01:44] <XXCoder> https://learn.adafruit.com/assets/16343
[22:01:47] <XXCoder> maybe?
[22:02:27] <XXCoder> if it is indeed the case, it can do interestinf stuff
[22:03:39] <trentster> XXCoder: thanks yeah its definitely Unipolar I think. Still no clue on the wiring tho
[22:03:53] <trentster> or how to figure out the pairs
[22:03:58] <XXCoder> well
[22:04:08] <XXCoder> if its infinity resistance its not a pair
[22:04:20] <XXCoder> should be strightforward to find pairs
[22:06:16] <trentster> XXCoder: do tell then
[22:06:28] <XXCoder> just check resistance on wires
[22:06:37] <XXCoder> if its less than infinity its a pair
[22:07:39] <XXCoder> check 2 wires a time. since you menioned turning is hard when connected color and stripped same color its likely those are pairs
[22:08:36] <trentster> yes but there are 4 pair combinations that cause resistance
[22:08:56] <XXCoder> yeah any pair can cause resistance
[22:09:10] <XXCoder> I bet you if you pair all same colors together its be much harder to turn
[22:09:30] <trentster> yes thats correct
[22:09:44] <trentster> there is resistance on every color/stripe combination
[22:09:53] <XXCoder> yeah. its because youre making electricity as you turn, and its powering stepper in other way lol
[22:09:54] <trentster> 4 pairs
[22:10:00] <XXCoder> so you feel much higher reistance
[22:10:29] <trentster> I understand that, but how do I kknow what is the right combination for parallel wiring to the driver
[22:11:00] <XXCoder> on which is A, B C or D I got no idea, but finding which wires that do pair is easy enough
[22:11:22] <trentster> e.g. black/yellow A+ and stripe black/stripe yellow A-
[22:11:27] <trentster> you with me?
[22:13:16] <XXCoder> yeah
[22:13:45] <XXCoder> just dunno how you would find out that
[22:13:51] <trentster> http://www.victorleung.info/post/identify-leads-on-a-8-wire-stepper-motor/
[22:13:54] <XXCoder> which "super pairs" belong together
[22:14:54] <XXCoder> nice
[22:17:50] <trentster> yeah it is
[23:00:04] <trentster> XXCoder: wow this motor is incredible
[23:00:30] <trentster> now i need to figure out how many amps to give it
[23:14:43] <roycroft> i'm developing a new pet peeve, that bugs me about as much as gloves around rotating machinery
[23:15:03] <roycroft> people who make machining youtube videos and push the swarf away with their fingers
[23:16:28] <roycroft> the whole reason harbor freight exists is to supply cheap chip brushes
[23:48:33] <CaptHindsight> roycroft: you can't help everyone
[23:59:53] <roycroft> i'm not going to bother trying to help anyone else