#linuxcnc | Logs for 2016-12-17

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[01:49:55] <IchGucksLive> good morning from a cold shop in germany
[01:52:26] <IchGucksLive> off to the cold area
[02:43:32] <Deejay> moin
[04:32:58] <pink_vampire> hi
[04:33:06] <Wolf_ITX> hia
[04:33:17] <Wolf_ITX> hiya*
[04:36:44] <pink_vampire> hi Wolf_ITX
[04:39:17] <pink_vampire> do you know how do I set a limit on the floating point that display by the debug command? i want 3 decimal places and now it show 6 that make the numbers very looong
[04:39:44] <Wolf_> that I don’t know
[04:42:49] <pink_vampire> I need to find a not (super) expensive datum cube and sphere
[04:43:32] <pink_vampire> any idea?
[04:43:51] <Wolf_> ask archivist for suggestions :D
[04:45:37] <pink_vampire> ihttp://www.savoryspiceshop.com/spice-ware/cole-mason-precision-cube-mill.html
[04:45:53] <pink_vampire> the price is ok
[04:46:05] <pink_vampire> http://www.savoryspiceshop.com/spice-ware/cole-mason-precision-cube-mill.html
[04:46:38] <Wolf_> lol
[04:47:32] <pink_vampire> i took a screen shot
[04:48:14] <Wolf_> I think at one point we were talking about using other test probe tips as datum
[04:48:50] <pink_vampire> like the 10mm...
[04:49:00] <pink_vampire> yeah.. but it's not cheap
[04:49:28] <Wolf_> well, how big of a tip are you using?
[04:50:03] <pink_vampire> 2mm ball on the tip of the probe
[04:50:11] <Wolf_> can find a 8mm ball for <$40
[04:51:09] <Wolf_> 6 mm cube for $48
[04:51:37] <pink_vampire> link
[04:51:40] <Wolf_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Renishaw-Probe-Datum-Datuming-Stylus-6mm-Cube-Tip-53mm-OAL-/162106564583?hash=item25be4ddfe7:g:Z0cAAOSwOVpXYsE8
[04:52:24] <Wolf_> that one I would try a make offer on...
[04:53:08] <archivist> I use a probe stylus for a datum ball
[04:53:21] <pink_vampire> what diameter?
[04:53:32] <Wolf_> =) yay my memory still works
[04:56:33] <pink_vampire> http://www.renishaw.com/shop/Product.aspx?Product=A-5000-7555
[04:56:52] <pink_vampire> i think it's too small
[04:56:55] <archivist> I used 6mm one I had, measured it on a good micrometer
[04:59:25] <pink_vampire> any idea for a cube one? (i need just the top of it, so any flat will be good)
[04:59:54] <archivist> make
[05:00:01] <Wolf_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Renishaw-Probe-Datum-Datuming-Stylus-6mm-Cube-Tip-A-5000-6701-/401138081219?hash=item5d65b15dc3:g:SqgAAOSwMNxXYsAM
[05:00:16] <Wolf_> time/money, pick one =D
[05:02:44] <archivist> found a book I had not catalogued this morning, Engineering metrology turns out I have two copies
[05:03:10] <Wolf_> pink_vampire: toss a bid at http://www.ebay.com/itm/RENISHAW-PROBE-TIP-SET-W-ORIGINAL-RENISHAW-PADDED-CASE-/351935235616?hash=item51f0f98620:g:yx4AAOSwOtdYVEQl
[05:03:16] <Wolf_> maybe
[05:03:46] <Wolf_> or ask archivist for a opinion on it lol
[05:03:48] <archivist> I have a similar set
[05:04:07] <archivist> where I used the 6mm from
[05:04:26] <Wolf_> if it was me, I would just grab a 6-8mm ruby off ebay for <$30 shipped
[05:04:57] <archivist> that set is at the right starting price
[05:08:35] <pink_vampire> what is the advantage of the carbon fiber seam?
[05:09:14] <Wolf_> looks cool? goes faster? (really I don’t know)
[05:09:44] <pink_vampire> go faster??
[05:11:29] <Wolf_> thats why all the cool kids use it on their cars, right? :D
[05:14:22] <archivist> just took a pic http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=probe+stylus
[05:16:04] <archivist> they have an odd mount which fits a scanning type probe that may be a Zeiss
[05:18:27] <archivist> this one http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=probe+PD+lvdt
[05:34:18] <pink_vampire> archivist: very impressive collection
[05:34:51] <pink_vampire> how do i get an input from the user in the gcode?
[05:39:28] <pink_vampire> (debug, #value) display the value to the user, but how do i get a value from the user?
[05:41:47] <archivist> you cannot
[05:42:33] <archivist> people have asked for that, you could do it in python probably
[05:44:49] <archivist> but...define vet value from user, you can have a pyvcp panel drive a hal pin
[05:44:56] <archivist> vet/get
[05:45:05] <pink_vampire> what do mean?
[05:45:38] <pink_vampire> is there an example for that?
[05:45:42] <pink_vampire> demo?
[05:47:43] <archivist> in this setup http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/mirror/JS/IMG_1731.JPG I get the number of teeth from a drop down box
[05:50:25] <pink_vampire> how do i set something like that and run a gcode based on that??
[05:55:29] <archivist> we set a value into hal, so not direct into gcode
[05:57:38] <pink_vampire> but then I'm going to be limit to the button / input on the screen..
[06:00:12] <pink_vampire> for example, i have same size of stock material in steel and aluminum, i want the code to ask for feed rate. this way i ca use the same code for facing several material and get consistent results.
[06:00:57] <jthornton> speed is more important than feed rate for different materials
[06:02:36] <pink_vampire> by speed you mean?
[06:03:44] <pink_vampire> https://diy.haascnc.com/m109-interactive-user-input-0
[06:03:48] <XXCoder> heys
[06:03:56] <XXCoder> boring overtime
[06:04:03] <pink_vampire> this is how you do it in haas
[06:04:05] <Wolf_> python scripts that are in the nc_files directory would be example of something with inputs
[06:04:09] <pink_vampire> hi XXCoder
[06:04:30] <XXCoder> but hey extra money. Plan to try to go overtime few times to get more money to buy spindle. (can afford without ot but want extyra money anyway)
[06:04:48] <Wolf_> like the hole circle one that doesn’t want to run on my new lcnc box =/
[06:05:02] <XXCoder> i found out 2 employees always overtime each friday so i can join em basically (but not next 2 fridays due to holiday closure heh)
[06:05:39] <XXCoder> jeez gcode is becoming a full on programming language
[06:05:41] <pink_vampire> Wolf_ITX: what do you mean?
[06:05:45] <XXCoder> I wonder if its turing complete.
[06:05:50] <XXCoder> doubtful
[06:06:40] <Wolf_ITX> holecircle.py
[06:07:11] <pink_vampire> what is "holecircle.py"?
[06:07:23] <Wolf_> I thought there was a few example .py scripts that came with lunix cnc
[06:07:27] <pink_vampire> you can pastebin it
[06:08:14] <jthornton> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Simple_LinuxCNC_G-Code_Generators
[06:08:23] <Wolf_> you should have it in the home\username\lcnc\configs\nc_files
[06:08:44] <Deejay> nope
[06:08:46] <Wolf_> ^ yeah that
[06:08:55] <Deejay> it home/username/lcnc/configs/nc_files ;)
[06:09:04] <Deejay> dont use evil backslash!!!
[06:09:06] <Wolf_> :P I[m tired
[06:09:25] <Deejay> ;)
[06:11:19] <Wolf_ITX> https://snag.gy/dGw0KQ.jpg what did I brake
[06:12:56] <pink_vampire> flowsnake.py is shorter
[06:14:59] <pink_vampire> it's run perfect
[06:15:02] <pink_vampire> cuuuuuuuuuuuuuute
[06:16:49] <pink_vampire> Wolf_ITX: ^
[06:17:17] <Wolf_> did that one have a pop up for inputs?
[06:17:33] <Wolf_> seems I’m missing something on my build lol
[06:18:45] <pink_vampire> so if python can run, how do i get an input from the user in the python way?
[06:19:38] <pink_vampire> holecircle don't work for me also..
[06:20:28] <pink_vampire> Wolf_ITX: Wolf_^
[06:20:51] <Wolf_> grab something like bolt circle off the link jthornton posted ^
[06:22:01] <Wolf_> that script has a popup input window written in python code that has input boxes and whatnot, after input it generates gcode direct to lcnc to be run
[06:22:44] <pink_vampire> i download that http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/uploads/boltcircle2.py
[06:22:45] <Wolf_> just don’t ask me how it works, cause I have no idea about python coding :D
[06:22:56] <pink_vampire> and open it like a gcode??
[06:23:01] <Wolf_> yep,
[06:23:07] <pink_vampire> mmmmmm
[06:23:46] <Wolf_> I actually use the facing script often on my mill
[06:25:05] <pink_vampire> LOL
[06:25:37] <pink_vampire> it's just have an option for copy the code to the clipboard
[06:26:11] <Wolf_> oh lol, ok grab facing off there then
[06:26:45] <Wolf_> its has clipboard and write to axis and quit options
[06:27:38] <pink_vampire> all of them just copy it to the clip board
[06:29:29] <Wolf_ITX> https://snag.gy/x1HC7a.jpg
[06:29:40] <Wolf_> worked for me…
[06:30:55] <Wolf_> really its only of any use for something that you are going to be doing often
[06:31:23] <Wolf_> feeds and speeds I edit with text editor and the replace all function
[06:31:31] <pink_vampire> what are you press to make it open the g code in linux cnc
[06:31:51] <Wolf_> Write to Axis and quit
[06:32:41] <pink_vampire> let me try
[06:34:50] <pink_vampire> what is "amount to remove"?
[06:36:10] <pink_vampire> i see
[06:36:32] <pink_vampire> it makes multiple depths
[06:36:35] <pink_vampire> cool
[06:36:46] <pink_vampire> i think i will use it
[06:38:22] <pink_vampire> the starting point is on the side
[06:38:45] <Wolf_> http://i.imgur.com/oKe0SEH.jpg also shows if you mill is out of tram lol
[06:39:11] <XXCoder> thats pretty cool
[06:39:27] <Wolf_> yeah, I would suggest playing with it some before cutting anything with it
[06:39:35] <Wolf_> it has a few quirks
[06:39:40] <XXCoder> I see the effect but do you just do one direction then flip around and do it again?
[06:40:14] <Wolf_> its just a Y axis run down and back
[06:40:26] <Wolf_> well, down, step over, then back
[06:40:59] <XXCoder> so if y isnt orthogial to X it would create that refective Xs effect?
[06:41:11] <Wolf_> mill head being out of tram makes the pattern finish
[06:42:15] <pink_vampire> Wolf_ITX: what do you mean by "out of tram"?
[06:42:59] <Wolf_> spindle isn’t perpendicular to the x/y (table)
[06:45:45] <pink_vampire> i need yo find a way to tilt my on the y axis
[06:46:12] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/s6iRcG3.png
[06:46:29] <XXCoder> ahh Wolf_ so its not orthogical to XY plane
[06:46:43] <XXCoder> so when it faces off there might be slight steps
[06:47:03] <pink_vampire> other then the casteling (solvedhttp://i.imgur.com/zx6SqVM.png
[06:47:26] <Wolf_> yeah, mine is pretty close to being in, you can’t feel it on the metal but its there
[06:47:49] <Wolf_> least with a smaller end mill, with a fly cutter it shows bad lol
[06:48:09] <XXCoder> mine was pretty close but then havent tested with endmill. ball em it made pretty nice surface.
[06:48:37] <Wolf_> ball mill will do that :) narrow cut on a face
[06:49:25] <pink_vampire> i just face with and mill, much faster, and you can go deeper
[06:50:02] <pink_vampire> Wolf_: http://i.imgur.com/3Z8lM4Z.png
[06:50:38] <Wolf_> that looks pretty normal
[06:51:18] <pink_vampire> look close on the front of the V block, it was face with 1/16" http://i.imgur.com/INVKcIf.png
[06:52:29] <pink_vampire> better picture http://i.imgur.com/d5LsmRy.png
[06:52:43] <Wolf_> tramming the head is usually a common job with a bridgeport type mill, you can do it with the dovetail machines but it can be more of a pain in the ass
[06:54:06] <pink_vampire> i know, but i can trim the head only on the x axis
[06:54:59] <Wolf_> column bolts on doesn’t it?
[06:55:55] <pink_vampire> you can only tilt the head in the g0704
[06:57:50] <Wolf_> I see now, 4 bolts on the rear, you can adjust that… gonna be a total pain in the ass but its possible
[06:59:36] <Wolf_> you can do the Y axis, but you would have to shim the top or bottom depending on the nod
[06:59:47] <pink_vampire> no
[07:00:20] <Wolf_> I mean shim at the top or bottom pair of bolts
[07:00:32] <Wolf_> where the column bolts to the base
[07:00:35] <XXCoder> sigh kinda worried about my job
[07:01:05] <XXCoder> company isnt doing good lately, more parts and stuff but boeing got a HUGE hit from certain someone twitter, and we make many parts for boeing.
[07:01:22] <pink_vampire> yes... you can so it.. but then you add more flex to the machine
[07:01:55] <Wolf_> not saying put washers in there, gonna to be using crazy thin shim stock
[07:02:09] <XXCoder> yeah like .001 shims
[07:03:13] <Wolf_> ^ that, like these http://a.co/5rjebMt
[07:03:56] <Wolf_> which is the reason I have those on my shopping list… for when ever I tram the X2 build I have
[07:05:32] <pink_vampire> i will live that
[07:06:09] <XXCoder> ?
[07:06:21] <Wolf_> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/benchtop-machines/291196-help-tramming-y-axis-g0704.html
[07:06:37] <pink_vampire> with the un trim head
[08:02:00] <jthornton> Tom_L: https://github.com/jethornton/JT-Logger
[08:09:18] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKEvR2TQb8w
[08:09:20] <XXCoder> pretty cool
[08:09:44] <jthornton> what's up this morning?
[08:09:56] <XXCoder> just resting. had a boring overtime
[08:10:10] <XXCoder> sometimes boring is good
[08:10:14] <jthornton> log
[08:10:15] <jtlog> http://gnipsel.com/logs/: Today's Log jthornton#linuxcnc/2016-12-17.html
[08:10:17] <XXCoder> had a great reading sesson at work lol
[08:10:27] <jthornton> sounds like fun
[08:11:13] <XXCoder> just a little bit worried
[08:11:22] <XXCoder> boeing took a BIG hit
[08:11:31] <XXCoder> that affects company I work for
[08:11:33] <jthornton> really why
[08:12:05] <_methods> trump effect
[08:12:32] <XXCoder> trump the rump
[08:12:38] <_methods> i think lockheed stock took a hit too
[08:12:45] <XXCoder> yeah very much so.
[08:13:08] <XXCoder> he commented on f-35. I hate that project but what he did was pretty crass. just cancel it when oresident
[08:13:25] <BeachBumPete> why would he want to cancel it?
[08:13:29] <_methods> right
[08:13:33] <_methods> it's basically finished
[08:14:19] <BeachBumPete> personally I think its freaking hilarious how people are reacting to him and he is not even president yet LOL
[08:14:47] <_methods> they have squadrons of them in service around the world lol
[08:14:49] <_methods> https://www.f35.com/about/who-is-flying
[08:15:00] <BeachBumPete> its a pretty amazing plane
[08:15:07] <BeachBumPete> supercrusie
[08:15:15] <BeachBumPete> cruise
[08:15:20] <BeachBumPete> even
[08:15:23] <BeachBumPete> hehe
[08:15:26] <_methods> hell even just the helmet is amazing
[08:16:11] <BeachBumPete> I would not want to be on the business end of one
[08:16:46] <BeachBumPete> speaking of planes
[08:16:50] <_methods> http://www.jqpublicblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/0BETTERWORK.jpg
[08:17:04] <BeachBumPete> I am sitting here watching an old episode of Battlestar Galactica
[08:17:12] <BeachBumPete> I loved that show years ago
[08:17:30] <BeachBumPete> and starbuck is piloting a state of the art viper fighter
[08:17:34] <BeachBumPete> he takes off
[08:17:38] <BeachBumPete> from the galactica
[08:17:50] <BeachBumPete> and starts doing some aerobatic maneuvers
[08:18:00] <BeachBumPete> they show his cockpit display
[08:18:08] <BeachBumPete> and it has an artificial horizon LOL
[08:18:22] <BeachBumPete> how does that work in space??
[08:18:41] <_methods> that's for when you're wreckin planets man
[08:18:47] <_methods> in atmosphere you n00b
[08:18:47] <BeachBumPete> aah
[08:18:48] <archivist> lost in space
[08:18:55] <BeachBumPete> its atmospheric
[08:19:03] <BeachBumPete> makes sense I suppose
[08:19:10] <BeachBumPete> great show tho
[08:19:28] <BeachBumPete> hot babes....space wars....cylons....whats not to like?? ;)
[08:19:51] <_methods> the preachig
[08:19:55] <_methods> preaching even
[08:20:04] <BeachBumPete> preaching?
[08:20:10] <_methods> seemed to get a bit religilous there at the end
[08:20:31] <BeachBumPete> yeah but its all good you get maran jansen so all is well hehe
[08:20:50] <_methods> i quit watching after that arrow thing or whatever
[08:20:57] <_methods> i kinda forget
[08:21:01] <BeachBumPete> arrow thing?
[08:21:02] <_methods> was good for the first 2 seasons
[08:21:15] <_methods> they were lookin for some arrow of light or whatever
[08:21:21] <BeachBumPete> kiinda liked lorne green in it too....
[08:21:38] <_methods> are you talkin about the original?
[08:21:40] <_methods> or the scifi one
[08:21:50] <BeachBumPete> colocos was cool as the villian even tho it was kinda corny sometimes
[08:21:54] <BeachBumPete> the original
[08:21:57] <_methods> ahhhh
[08:22:03] <BeachBumPete> honestly I could not wait to watch the new one
[08:22:07] <BeachBumPete> and it started out awesome
[08:22:13] <BeachBumPete> but it got out of hand
[08:22:13] <_methods> yeah that's what i was saying
[08:22:17] <_methods> started great
[08:22:20] <_methods> went to shit
[08:22:26] <_methods> i thought that's what you were talkin about
[08:22:30] <BeachBumPete> I stopped watching when they were trying to breed human cylons in those camps
[08:22:31] <_methods> yeah the original was great
[08:22:33] <pink_vampire> how do I make a button with background image with pyvcp? the examples don't works, I have 3 gif files in my machine folder.
[08:22:52] <_methods> you know i never got to see the one where they went to earth
[08:22:53] <pink_vampire> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.4/html/hal_pyvcp.html#r1_6_6
[08:22:55] <BeachBumPete> its a shame because it was really really good before that
[08:23:08] <BeachBumPete> you mean when they finally found earth
[08:23:22] <_methods> we were stationed in adak ak and they didn't air it
[08:23:31] <_methods> we had to watch AFRTS
[08:23:33] <_methods> lol
[08:23:39] <BeachBumPete> yeah it was kinda like a greek/ eqyptian themed things
[08:23:55] <BeachBumPete> HOLY SMOKES you were in adak???
[08:24:03] <BeachBumPete> I have been there
[08:24:03] <_methods> yeah lived there for 3 years
[08:24:16] <BeachBumPete> jeez talk about isolation
[08:24:16] <_methods> stuck between 3 volcanoes
[08:24:18] <_methods> lol
[08:24:30] <BeachBumPete> or is it attu I am thinking of
[08:24:36] <_methods> attu sucks too
[08:24:44] <BeachBumPete> I used to have a tee shirt
[08:24:45] <_methods> attu is further out than adak
[08:24:55] <BeachBumPete> it said attu...its not the end of the world
[08:25:02] <BeachBumPete> but you can see it from there LOL
[08:25:07] <_methods> yeah lol
[08:25:13] <_methods> some funny shirts in ak
[08:25:24] <BeachBumPete> AK is a crazy place
[08:25:24] <_methods> gotta have a good sense of humor up there
[08:25:39] <BeachBumPete> I kinda liked anchorage
[08:25:55] <BeachBumPete> and we of course landed at kodiak island
[08:25:56] <_methods> anchorage might as well be new york city in ak lol
[08:26:01] <BeachBumPete> IKR
[08:26:31] <BeachBumPete> we also went to Shemya?
[08:26:43] <_methods> yea
[08:26:48] <_methods> i never went there
[08:26:49] <BeachBumPete> forget how to spell it
[08:27:09] <_methods> i can't remember but it wasn't far from adak
[08:27:13] <_methods> if i remember right
[08:27:23] <BeachBumPete> its se of kodak no?
[08:28:02] <BeachBumPete> SW rather
[08:28:17] <BeachBumPete> have you been to Cold bay?
[08:29:02] <_methods> https://www.google.com/maps/place/51°52'38.1"N+176°37'54.3"W/@51.877245,-176.6339377,582m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x0!8m2!3d51.877245!4d-176.631749
[08:29:06] <_methods> that was my house in adak
[08:29:13] <_methods> on kuluk dr lol
[08:29:15] <XXCoder> lol "ipx6 waterproof"
[08:29:18] <XXCoder> uh no
[08:29:46] <BeachBumPete> says fort pierce florida LOL
[08:30:09] <_methods> what?
[08:30:21] <_methods> you must have cut off some coordinates
[08:30:40] <_methods> https://goo.gl/maps/qkochSYaQZ42
[08:30:43] <BeachBumPete> the link only has the 51
[08:30:48] <_methods> there ya go short link
[08:31:04] <XXCoder> fine for me
[08:31:21] <BeachBumPete> OK
[08:31:39] <_methods> yeah shemya and attu were further out past adak
[08:31:42] <BeachBumPete> have you been to the blue bird cafe LOL
[08:31:55] <_methods> was that at the airport
[08:32:03] <BeachBumPete> right near your house apparently
[08:32:19] <_methods> that wasn't there when i was
[08:32:25] <_methods> it's a civilian island now
[08:32:30] <_methods> no more military i guess
[08:32:47] <BeachBumPete> really wow
[08:32:50] <_methods> i think people just go on caribou hunting trips out there now
[08:33:00] <_methods> yeah the navy picked up and left
[08:33:08] <_methods> all that infrastructure
[08:33:14] <_methods> generator statios
[08:33:16] <BeachBumPete> most people have NO IDEA
[08:33:17] <_methods> nuclear depot
[08:33:36] <BeachBumPete> nor that there was a major war fighting going on along there
[08:33:37] <_methods> out towards the end of the runway by my house you can follow it out to the nuke area
[08:34:51] <BeachBumPete> I have many pictures of the sunken ships and crashed aircraft as well as the gun embankments taken from the windows of the C-130
[08:36:26] <_methods> https://goo.gl/maps/9atCidDDbR42
[08:36:29] <_methods> old nuke site
[08:36:46] <_methods> all kinds of crazy stuff out there
[08:36:56] <_methods> no civilians to peek around
[08:37:11] <BeachBumPete> nothing but animals out there LOL
[08:37:23] <BeachBumPete> how cold did it get there?
[08:38:17] <_methods> not too bad
[08:38:24] <_methods> it basically on the same llat as seattle
[08:38:39] <BeachBumPete> yeah but but but the bearing sea?
[08:38:45] <_methods> but yeah its so isolated it makes area51 look like it's in downtown LA
[08:38:53] <_methods> don't get me wrong it's cold
[08:39:07] <_methods> out there on an island with few geographic features to break up the wind
[08:39:08] <XXCoder> west wa is pretty immune to extremes
[08:39:13] <BeachBumPete> It got pretty cold on Kodiak I thought
[08:39:19] <XXCoder> can get cold but airly rarely below 30f
[08:39:33] <XXCoder> polar votex always misses us
[08:39:41] <XXCoder> poor rest of usa
[08:40:27] <Tom_L> 22 f
[08:40:42] <BeachBumPete> hell it got colder than that in Tennessee
[08:40:52] <XXCoder> yeah now is pretty rare weather type for here. hella cold
[08:41:03] <BeachBumPete> I saw 9 degrees a few times
[08:41:04] <jthornton> Tom_L: see the link?
[08:41:13] <_methods> oh it was way colder than seattle
[08:41:25] <_methods> i'm just saying it's not like gnome or barrow or something
[08:41:54] <_methods> on a tiny island in the middle of the bearing
[08:41:57] <_methods> it's gonna be cold
[08:41:58] <BeachBumPete> I remember the wind on Kodak was freakin miserable.... Cold just cut right thru our foul weather gear
[08:42:06] <_methods> yeah the wind was brutal
[08:42:24] <_methods> all the housing had metal siding lol
[08:42:30] <BeachBumPete> I remember the first time we landed our Coast Guard C-130 there
[08:42:37] <_methods> pieces of that would rip off ad blow down the street
[08:42:48] <BeachBumPete> they opened up the cargo bay doors
[08:43:05] <BeachBumPete> and I was up in the cockpit already wearing my flight suit under my foul weather gear
[08:43:17] <BeachBumPete> and the damn wind comes screaming up to the cockpit
[08:43:26] <BeachBumPete> I swear I thought I was freaking naked or something
[08:43:26] <_methods> freezes your tits off
[08:43:55] <BeachBumPete> our flight suits are really warm you would sweat your ass off in florida standing outside in one LOL
[08:44:32] <_methods> it was definitely and experience
[08:44:35] <Tom_L> JT-Shop, how's it looking?
[08:44:39] <BeachBumPete> we stayed in a quonset hut up there
[08:44:44] <_methods> jthornton: didn't you live in ak too?
[08:44:46] <BeachBumPete> it sure was..
[08:44:52] <BeachBumPete> an experience... LOL
[08:44:59] <_methods> yeah we had a quonset hut hunting lodge
[08:45:10] <_methods> everyone had one staked out out there in the tundra lol
[08:45:41] <BeachBumPete> honestly I am glad that I was able to see it all now.
[08:45:43] <_methods> yeah needless to say i live where it's going to be 70+F today
[08:45:51] <BeachBumPete> heheh me too man
[08:45:51] <_methods> in dec
[08:45:56] <_methods> F the cold
[08:46:03] <BeachBumPete> they are saying it gonna be humid here today LOL
[08:46:15] <_methods> supposed to be 78 tomorrow
[08:46:17] <_methods> thank god
[08:46:22] <BeachBumPete> I know people who love that shit tho
[08:46:29] <BeachBumPete> cant wait to be back in AK
[08:46:36] <_methods> ugh
[08:46:38] <Tom_L> as far as the F-35 thing, Obama commented on corporate america flying too much which caused a whole plant here to shut down and nobody seemed to care about that....
[08:46:41] <_methods> you can keep all that
[08:46:45] <BeachBumPete> many of the guys I worked with in the CG move there when they retire
[08:47:08] <XXCoder> thats not as directly connected
[08:47:19] <Tom_L> it is
[08:47:21] <BeachBumPete> like hell
[08:47:29] <Tom_L> the jets cost way too much
[08:47:30] <XXCoder> in fact its not related at all. corprate flight and fighter jet
[08:47:53] <Tom_L> he's trying to save money we don't have to begin with
[08:47:59] <BeachBumPete> I would not worry too much he is promising to rebuild our military
[08:48:05] <jthornton> yes, I was born on kodiak and lived in anchorage and lived north of anchorage
[08:48:08] <_methods> don't forget the wall!!!
[08:48:19] <XXCoder> miliary is way overbudgeted
[08:48:21] <BeachBumPete> if that is true then there will be lots of aircraft and naval work coming soon
[08:48:22] <jthornton> Tom_L: https://github.com/jethornton/JT-Logger
[08:48:30] <Tom_L> looking already
[08:48:33] <XXCoder> congress keep giving army stuff they dont need
[08:48:41] <BeachBumPete> jthornton are you from a Coast Guard Family?
[08:48:44] <jthornton> just doing a few more things
[08:48:46] <jthornton> FAA
[08:48:48] <XXCoder> in fact army is asking congress to stop.
[08:49:05] <_methods> the army never stops asking for money
[08:49:17] <BeachBumPete> hehehe I never heard anything like that
[08:49:35] <_methods> they're like a goldfish that eats money
[08:49:40] <_methods> they'll eat it till they pop
[08:49:51] <_methods> or poop
[08:49:58] <Tom_L> i personally wouldn't care if boeing took a bit hit anyway, they pulled out of here with no problems at all
[08:50:00] <_methods> or both
[08:50:00] <BeachBumPete> fact is that despite big budgets we really need to rebuild our military
[08:50:34] <BeachBumPete> along with our infrastructure
[08:50:42] <_methods> we need to stop all military spending and push it all to space exploration and GTFO this rock
[08:50:46] <_methods> before everyone else
[08:50:52] <BeachBumPete> LOL
[08:50:54] <BeachBumPete> you first man
[08:51:01] <BeachBumPete> I will watch and wave
[08:51:01] <_methods> i'm fine with that
[08:51:01] <XXCoder> nah china will own space
[08:51:08] <XXCoder> they already made everything
[08:51:15] <_methods> i'd love to go up there
[08:51:15] <XXCoder> I remember this joke
[08:51:31] <BeachBumPete> I would like to visit space....but live there. no thanks
[08:51:37] <_methods> need to get all our eggs out of this basket
[08:51:42] <XXCoder> man asks his son, "do you know who made everything?" "Sure china"
[08:51:52] <XXCoder> "what about god" "yeah he was made there too."
[08:51:52] <_methods> before the basket gets melted down by a lonely asteroid
[08:52:06] <BeachBumPete> hehe
[08:52:08] <BeachBumPete> lonely
[08:52:28] <BeachBumPete> now if they build a Battlestar Galactica to cruise around in...mebbe??
[08:54:15] <_methods> the sooner we get off this rock the better
[08:54:23] <_methods> probably not good for the rest of the galaxy though lol
[08:54:26] <BeachBumPete> hey my home this is
[08:54:40] <_methods> can't wait to drop some global warming on pluto
[08:54:42] <BeachBumPete> what about colonizing the vast oceans?
[08:54:49] <_methods> i can hear the liberals crying already
[08:54:54] <BeachBumPete> like in Sea quest
[08:55:08] <BeachBumPete> F the liberals
[08:55:26] <_methods> hey tha's no way to talk about Jymmm
[08:55:46] <BeachBumPete> hell he probably talks about me worse
[08:56:00] <_methods> heheh
[08:56:33] <_methods> i think he was giving that diooz guy a good spanking the other night
[08:56:45] <BeachBumPete> aw and I missed it
[08:56:47] <_methods> the weld fume huffer
[08:56:52] <BeachBumPete> ROFL
[08:56:57] <_methods> captain galvanize
[08:57:08] <BeachBumPete> stop you are gonna make me pee
[08:57:26] <BeachBumPete> I wish I would have seent that
[08:57:58] <_methods> log
[08:57:59] <BeachBumPete> Captain Galvanize....priceless
[08:58:52] <_methods> no offense to CaptHindsight
[08:59:27] <BeachBumPete> your'e in SC right?
[08:59:32] <_methods> yeah
[08:59:34] <_methods> charleston
[08:59:36] <BeachBumPete> ok
[09:00:15] <BeachBumPete> well I gotta get some Christmas Shopping done. Thanks for the laughs man. You're hilarious.
[09:00:23] <_methods> later pete
[09:08:04] <Tom_L> JT-Shop, i was messin with that other bot last night a bit
[09:08:37] <Tom_L> still trying to make sense of it
[09:22:51] <Mac-phone> good morning.
[09:24:11] <Tom_L> hey
[09:25:53] <Mac-phone> up and at it already Tom_L?
[09:26:39] <Tom_L> half the day is gone already..
[09:26:46] <Tom_L> almost 9am
[09:28:38] <Mac-phone> lol. where are you again? i need a hair of the dog ...
[09:28:46] <Tom_L> Ks
[09:29:24] <Mac-phone> ah. not too far from here
[09:30:03] <Mac-phone> woke up this am to a txt about sending a resume
[09:31:20] <Mac-phone> now cant go back to sleep
[09:31:40] <Tom_L> lookin for a job?
[09:33:27] <Mac-phone> yep. been on the lookout for 14 months
[09:34:30] <Mac-phone> looks like I may be going back to okc
[09:37:58] <Tom_L> where you at currently?
[09:38:10] <Mac-phone> NW Ark
[09:38:23] <CaptHindsight> what a bunch of red whiners
[09:38:41] <Mac-phone> who?
[09:38:55] <Tom_L> must be reading the backlog :D
[09:39:02] <Mac-phone> lol
[09:39:50] <Mac-phone> just far enough to make moving a hassle
[09:39:51] <CaptHindsight> I never grew up wah wah wah
[09:39:59] <CaptHindsight> lol
[09:40:27] <Mac-phone> toysrus kids?
[09:41:06] <CaptHindsight> well mostly arrested development from being abused
[09:54:31] <Mac-phone> growing up stinks huh?
[09:54:38] * JT-Shop builds a fire in the shop to try and get it as warm as outside which is 68F
[09:55:08] <Tom_L> JT-Shop, givin it a try..
[09:55:14] <Jymmm> So, you want to build an off grid log cabin huh? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Td4ftf9F4k
[09:55:40] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Hint... just open the doors
[09:57:10] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: And I still never understood how it's ALWAYS colder inside (summer and winter) than it is outside
[09:57:41] <Jymmm> rebooting, brb
[10:00:43] <CaptHindsight> people on the news here do that all the time, sometimes for bbq, often just for heat
[10:02:32] <Tom_L> JT-Shop, gettin an error
[10:03:21] <JT-Shop> can you paste it to github issues?
[10:03:52] <Tom_L> not sure how really
[10:03:57] <Tom_L> never use git much
[10:04:12] <Tom_L> it's a msg = error
[10:04:18] <Tom_L> i may not have the paths right yet
[10:04:20] <JT-Shop> not git but where you got the file
[10:04:22] <Tom_L> or soemthing
[10:05:00] <JT-Shop> https://github.com/jethornton/JT-Logger/issues
[10:06:30] <Tom_L> need a github act..
[10:06:35] <Tom_L> dunno if i have one or not
[10:06:54] <JT-Shop> well that sucks
[10:07:03] <Tom_L> i might
[10:07:05] <Tom_L> i'm looking
[10:08:13] <Tom_L> see if you got that
[10:09:16] <JT-Shop> yep got it be a while before I can look
[10:09:34] <Tom_L> could be my path isn't right
[10:09:47] <Tom_L> i set them the same as the other file
[10:09:50] <JT-Shop> double commas in the format, remove one
[10:10:39] <Tom_L> it worked for you :D
[10:14:59] <JT-Shop> I didn't try it after adding the latest log events
[10:15:35] <Tom_L> i'm deleting all the index.html files to see if they get rebuilt
[10:15:40] <Tom_L> will it build the main one too?
[10:16:08] <Tom_L> it's ok, i'm used to getting untested code :)
[10:16:24] <Tom_L> it was a standing joke with some friends around here...
[10:18:13] <CaptHindsight> is anyone using a more recent kernel with LCNC than what comes with Wheezy?
[10:19:45] <jthornton> Tom_L: download again
[10:19:56] <Tom_L> check your error log
[10:19:59] <Tom_L> i found another one
[10:20:54] <Tom_L> jthornton, can you pm the changes since i'll have to set all my paths & channels up again?
[10:24:23] <Tom_L> when the guy that invented usb plugs dies, they should flip his casket over in the grave!
[10:24:57] <_methods> It wont fit that way
[10:25:13] <jthornton> msg = msg.format(hm, '?', event.arguments()[0], person, self.user(event))
[10:25:27] <jthornton> replace line 259
[10:25:50] <Tom_L> JT-Shop, gimme a sec.. i'm trying to set up hexchat on that pc then i can cut n paste
[10:26:18] <_methods> Weechat ftw
[10:29:22] <CaptHindsight> wasn't it an Intel invention?
[10:30:44] <SpeedEvil> CaptHindsight: no
[10:31:45] <CaptHindsight> http://www.epo.org/learning-events/european-inventor/finalists/2013/bhatt/feature.html
[10:35:52] <SpeedEvil> CaptHindsight: from memory, the B connector was almost exactly copied from a game console.
[10:39:21] <Jymmm> Oh noes... Not the B connector! Anything but that!!!
[10:39:51] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: What connector/console we talk'n bout?
[10:41:11] <SpeedEvil> USB
[10:41:59] <CaptHindsight> I think Jymmm is asking about which console they took the type B connector from
[10:42:47] <Jymmm> I thought *all* USB connectors were created by USB Consortium (™ and all that too)
[10:43:45] <CaptHindsight> I think what he is saying is that there was game console with a very similar type B connector
[10:43:48] <jdh> plain USB B is pretty much the stupidest connector ever. followed closely buy USB A
[10:43:57] <CaptHindsight> that inspired them
[10:44:05] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: ah
[10:44:19] <Jymmm> jdh: Well, B was suppose to be devices
[10:44:38] <jdh> sure, but it is awkward and makes the cable side of the connector too big
[10:45:13] <Jymmm> jdh: Compared to what? SCSI Cable? Parallel Cable?
[10:45:26] <jdh> and A could have been made so it fit either way
[10:45:30] <gregcnc> wasn't that 20 years ago when a laptop was 6-7" thick?
[10:45:40] <Jymmm> gregcnc: exactly
[10:46:14] <gregcnc> and you had to hand crank it to get W95 to boot
[10:46:23] <Jymmm> SCSI-1 cable was half inch diameter
[10:47:02] <Jymmm> gregcnc: Not sure about hand cracnk, but I've actually kicked a few to get them started/working again
[10:47:37] <gregcnc> stuff like that sells as vintage on ebay now doesn't it?
[10:48:06] <Jymmm> gregcnc: What you mean? Just bought it yesterday ;)
[10:48:47] <gregcnc> I think I have a scanner with a B connector
[10:49:17] <Jymmm> My Canon scanner has B, as does my printers
[10:49:25] <CaptHindsight> I was just looking at pics of 90's game consoles
[10:49:36] <Jymmm> the scanner is USB powered too
[10:49:58] <CaptHindsight> 32b 25MHz was state of the art
[10:50:50] <gregcnc> the B scanner is circa 2000, the newer one is mini B
[10:50:54] <Tom_shop> JT-Shop, which line was that now?
[10:50:55] <CaptHindsight> close https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_64#/media/File:N64-Console-Orange.jpg
[10:51:15] <Tom_shop> (my line numbers aren't the same as yours now...)
[10:51:24] <Jymmmm> Damn, wth is going on ?!
[10:51:47] <CaptHindsight> maybe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dreamcast#/media/File:Sega-Dreamcast-Sports-Black-Console.jpg
[10:53:06] <CaptHindsight> heh http://www.theonion.com/article/ghost-of-christmas-future-taunts-children-with-vis-14
[10:53:46] <CaptHindsight> supposed to be about xmas 2016 ^^
[10:56:24] <JT-Shop> <jthornton> msg = msg.format(hm, '?', event.arguments()[0], person, self.user(event))
[10:56:25] <JT-Shop> <jthornton> replace line 259
[10:58:04] <CaptHindsight> Jymmmm: have you tried turning off your Tor exit node? :)
[11:01:01] <jthornton> search for , , and find the line
[11:01:34] <jthornton> or http://paste.ubuntu.com/23643423/
[11:04:53] <Jymmmm> CaptHindsight: If I was using tor, I would (besides, freenode shows those that are tor)
[11:06:10] <Tom_L> jthornton, what about issue 2?
[11:09:08] <CaptHindsight> Jymmmm: does it, how do they appear?
[11:09:34] <pink_vampire> i need some help / ideas
[11:09:46] <pink_vampire> what is the advantage / disadvantage of cube datum VS cylindrical datum?
[11:10:02] <CaptHindsight> the trolls just appear to use VPN's and daily nick changes
[11:10:25] <jthornton> Tom_L: the channel index gets build everytime a new log page is added
[11:10:43] <archivist> pink_vampire, you need a sphere to measure the angular errors in a probe
[11:10:56] <Tom_shop> heh, i deleted all the index.html files thinking they would get rebuilt
[11:11:35] <Tom_shop> sudo code; if !found(rebuild) .or. if(newdate) or such.
[11:12:09] <pink_vampire> archivist: i mean for a tool setter
[11:12:42] <archivist> tool setter is often square, depends on the tooling
[11:13:13] <Jymmmm> CaptHindsight: Ah... https://freenode.net/news/resurrecting-tor
[11:13:33] <CaptHindsight> Jymmmm: just read that and some other posts
[11:16:40] <pink_vampire> http://resources.renishaw.com/en/download/--67137
[11:16:43] <pink_vampire> vs
[11:16:58] <pink_vampire> http://www.sme.org/uploadedImages/Publications/ME_Magazine/2013/January_2013/EmhTS3520%281%29.jpg
[11:17:18] <jthornton> yea, I should check to see if there are logs without indexes at start up
[11:17:55] <pink_vampire> archivist: ^
[11:19:29] <archivist> pink_vampire, it is a choice you have to make
[11:19:48] <pink_vampire> but what is the advantage / disadvantage of cube datum VS cylindrical datum?
[11:20:21] <archivist> tooling type dependent
[11:24:39] <jthornton> Tom_L: that's why your testing is so valuable
[11:29:15] <jthornton> Tom_L: is the logger running?
[11:44:00] <Tom_L> no i shut it down for now
[11:44:16] <Tom_L> i have a few things to do
[11:46:54] <jthornton> ok, did it run finally?
[11:47:10] <brasshorn> :)
[11:52:05] <Tom_L> yes
[11:52:13] <Tom_L> main index but no sub index's
[11:53:40] <Tom_L> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:82/~tom-itx/irc/logs/
[12:00:18] <jthornton> I found a few more typos
[12:00:27] <Tom_L> ^^ there's the current index
[12:00:35] <Tom_L> i'm not gonna log but the files are there
[12:00:49] <Tom_L> i'll update them from the other one
[12:00:55] <IchGucksLive> hi
[12:01:21] <jthornton> I wonder why it's not using the css file
[12:01:27] <Tom_L> dunno
[12:01:34] <Tom_L> it's all in the same folder
[12:01:43] <Tom_L> gotta run to the store.. bak in a few
[12:01:45] <jthornton> as it should be
[12:01:47] <jthornton> ok
[12:01:57] <Tom_L> o
[12:02:02] <Tom_L> i'll leave it on
[12:02:55] <IchGucksLive> css saves alot of times on refiting
[12:03:24] <IchGucksLive> also bluefish editor
[12:04:04] <IchGucksLive> kb8wmc: ?
[12:05:01] <Tom_L> 16 F and dropping...
[12:05:37] <IchGucksLive> lots of people will be dead in the usa Tomorow as temps fall below record
[12:09:06] * jthornton says testing
[12:09:13] <jthornton> zlog
[12:43:27] <nixie_> moin alle zusammen, ich bin neu hier, hoffe auf Unterstützung wenn meine CNC fräse eintrifft , hier bin ich doch richtig?
[12:45:55] <IchGucksLive> kein problem
[12:46:21] <IchGucksLive> drück bitte auf meine nickname
[12:47:02] <nixie_> habe ich gemacht
[12:47:09] <Deejay> fester!
[12:53:16] <IchGucksLive> Deejay: its around your place in the north
[12:53:27] <IchGucksLive> no mill but all running O:
[12:56:55] <pink_vampire> hi IchGucksLive
[12:57:04] <IchGucksLive> Cool
[13:01:21] <CaptHindsight> CNC-Maschinen, arbeiten oder kaputt
[13:33:17] <IchGucksLive> CaptHindsight: feierabend !
[13:33:30] <Tom_L> JT-Shop any patches to test?
[13:34:03] * Tom_L counts all 10 fingers to make sure none fell off in the cold
[13:37:08] <IchGucksLive> Tom_L: stay alive
[13:37:15] <IchGucksLive> keep chipping wood
[13:42:21] <IchGucksLive> Tom_L: diont burn the house Waterhose is not working below 20F
[13:42:33] <CaptHindsight> IchGucksLive: Ich arbeite noch
[13:43:57] <IchGucksLive> Thats your problem !!! GN8
[13:44:00] <CaptHindsight> do the 12 day of xmas start on xmas as day 1 or 0?
[13:53:24] <Tom_L> CaptHindsight, is a dozen doughnuts 12 or 13?
[13:54:08] <CaptHindsight> Tom_L: yes
[13:58:38] <Tom_L> the one i go to here gives us 14
[13:58:52] <roycroft> that's a fat baker's dozen
[14:03:05] <gregcnc> capthindsight has Comed delivery charge gotten out of control?
[14:07:56] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: I've been hearing all these stories
[14:08:32] <gregcnc> I guess I hadn't actually read a bill in a while cost at home is ~12.8 cent/kWH
[14:09:05] <CaptHindsight> https://hourlypricing.comed.com/live-prices/
[14:09:14] <gregcnc> electricity is 6.8
[14:09:38] <Tom_L> sounds about right...
[14:09:58] <Tom_L> addon fees always double the bill, right/
[14:09:59] <Tom_L> ?
[14:10:04] <gregcnc> some how last month i used more kWH than the summer months with AC on
[14:10:36] <Tom_L> excessive cncing?
[14:10:59] <gregcnc> not yet
[14:11:07] <CaptHindsight> http://www.electricrate.com/residential-rates/illinois/comed/
[14:12:17] <CaptHindsight> I was warned about the cash they want up front for new commercial service
[14:13:29] <gregcnc> you need a smart meter for hourly pricing?
[14:13:37] <CaptHindsight> yeah
[14:13:44] <CaptHindsight> or how do they know?
[14:13:48] <gregcnc> right
[14:14:15] <CaptHindsight> thats also how they are getting a new demand charge for residential
[14:14:29] <gregcnc> why is the rate so low?
[14:14:58] <CaptHindsight> low at night and cooler days
[14:15:05] <Jymmm> gregcnc: Come to the drk side in this promo, you'll be less like to switch later when we bend you over
[14:15:20] <CaptHindsight> high on hot evenings and summer days
[14:15:33] <Jymmm> and no vaseline
[14:15:33] <gregcnc> yeha i see aug was high
[14:16:06] <gregcnc> hmm
[14:16:19] <CaptHindsight> mu new solar powered VMC should d the trick
[14:16:28] <Jymmm> alias p='ping 8.8.8.8 | while read pong; do echo "$(date +%Y-%m-%d\ %H:%M:%S) - $pong"; done'
[14:17:04] <gregcnc> oh must be to keep payout for net metered solar low
[14:17:20] <gregcnc> no that backward
[14:17:34] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: and at night?
[14:17:47] <CaptHindsight> ~10 years ago I wanted to build a natural gas powered electric generator since my gas was cheap
[14:17:50] <gregcnc> night is for drinking beer or milk
[14:18:29] <Jymmm> gregcnc: git your arse back to work slave! no milk beer for you!!!
[14:18:39] <CaptHindsight> milk stout
[14:18:49] <CaptHindsight> 2 in 1
[14:19:04] <gregcnc> stout without nitrogen bubble is odd
[14:20:47] <roycroft> there are "creamer" faucets that do a decent job of dispensing stout with just co2
[14:20:54] <roycroft> but they're not the same as using beergas
[14:21:08] <CaptHindsight> I get that
[14:21:21] <roycroft> the creamer faucets create turbulence at the outlet
[14:21:32] <CaptHindsight> roycroft: do you brew?
[14:21:34] <roycroft> yes
[14:21:40] <CaptHindsight> ok, that was you
[14:22:00] <CaptHindsight> I was thinin about distilin
[14:22:08] <roycroft> well, i don't brew right now, because my control panel melted down in september and i'm not quite rebuilding it yet
[14:22:11] <gregcnc> guinness is nitrogen? but what did they do in 1583 or whatever?
[14:22:13] <roycroft> but i'll be brewing again soon
[14:22:23] <CaptHindsight> methane
[14:22:31] <roycroft> it was naturally carbonated in casks
[14:22:36] <roycroft> and tasted nothing like it does now
[14:22:50] <gregcnc> that's what I figured
[14:23:16] <CaptHindsight> how did they make Belgian sours?
[14:23:38] <roycroft> not that i've had any elizabethan guiness for comparison
[14:24:11] <roycroft> sours are made with more than just "regular" brewing yeast
[14:24:30] <roycroft> there is usally a brettnomyces species or two or three to add some funk and a little sourness
[14:24:33] <CaptHindsight> Lactobacillus, Brettanomyces, and Pediococcus
[14:24:36] <roycroft> and various bactiria
[14:24:42] <roycroft> bacteria
[14:24:44] <CaptHindsight> gym socks
[14:24:50] <roycroft> which add the actual sourness
[14:24:58] <roycroft> gym socks or horse blanket with brett
[14:25:08] <roycroft> although it ferments fairly cleanly as the primary yeast
[14:25:19] <gregcnc> I like Warka but I'd have to go into the city to get it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warka_Brewery
[14:25:36] <roycroft> brettanomyces is a component of proper guiness, btw
[14:25:49] <CaptHindsight> I used to live at Goose Island
[14:26:05] <roycroft> the genus is named for britain, becuase british old ales traditionally had some funk
[14:26:09] <roycroft> stouts included
[14:26:33] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: I'll keep an eye out for it at Binnys
[14:26:39] <roycroft> brett can eat just about any kind of sugar, including wood
[14:26:54] <roycroft> and it is very difficult to remove from wooden barrels
[14:27:04] <gregcnc> garfield's in CL doesn't have it
[14:27:06] <roycroft> thus, aged ales that are kept in barrels get some brett funk
[14:27:37] <gregcnc> and it still makes ethanol? or methanol from the wood?
[14:27:52] <roycroft> a bit of ethanol
[14:28:03] <roycroft> but usually it makes acids
[14:28:27] <roycroft> it does not make methanol
[14:28:32] <roycroft> at least any appreciable amount
[14:29:00] <CaptHindsight> Gose (pronounced "go-suh") is a top-fermenting beer that originated in Goslar, Germany. This style is characterized by the use of coriander and salt and is made sour by inoculating the wort with lactic acid bacteria before primary alcoholic fermentation.
[14:29:24] <CaptHindsight> I wonder how they discovered that?
[14:29:41] <CaptHindsight> bad batch that tasted sour
[14:30:24] <roycroft> what's funny is that many of these old styles were all but extinct until american homebrewers revived them
[14:30:33] <roycroft> and now our craft breweries are starting to make them
[14:30:36] <CaptHindsight> discovered later that someone lederhosen fell in during the process?
[14:30:54] <roycroft> it's easier to find gose in the us than in germany now
[14:31:01] <miss0r> If I come up with a list of i/o I need, and a list of what analog i/o I need, are there someone in here that can help me translate that into what mesa cards I need for it to happen?
[14:31:27] <CaptHindsight> miss0r: possibly oir you can email mesa and ask them
[14:31:37] <roycroft> and klsch is almost ubiquitous in the us now, whereas it is strictly limited to kln in germany
[14:32:15] <gregcnc> when will we have this interface for Linuxcnc? https://techcrunch.com/2016/12/16/humans-can-now-move-complex-robot-arms-just-by-thinking/
[14:32:16] <miss0r> I guess that is an option. But I have a sneaking suspiction my list will be somewhat fluent, and might need some ajustment by someone whom have an idea what he/she is doing :)
[14:32:29] <CaptHindsight> lately I've been into Flanders red ale, Gose and lambics
[14:32:36] <roycroft> i like good sours
[14:32:45] <roycroft> i've brewed flanders red before
[14:32:46] <gregcnc> skip cad, cam, just straight from my head to parts?
[14:32:52] <roycroft> it's a multi-year process to do it well
[14:33:09] <roycroft> i brew six batches
[14:33:42] <roycroft> in pairs of batches where the pairs are spaced a month apart, and a six month interval between the pairs
[14:34:01] <roycroft> so 19 months from the first to the sixth batch
[14:34:09] <roycroft> then they need to age a half year
[14:34:09] <CaptHindsight> http://www.brouwerijverhaeghe.be/en/duchesse-de-bourgogne and similar
[14:34:14] <roycroft> then the blending
[14:34:28] <roycroft> but it is delicious stuff in the end
[14:34:52] <CaptHindsight> roycroft: what part of the usa are you in?
[14:37:23] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: roycroft is in the warm sunny part
[14:38:40] <gregcnc> of the NW US?
[14:39:54] <CaptHindsight> Radlers seem to be out here as well
[14:41:09] <gregcnc> yeah they had that at garfields when i was looking for the Warka
[14:41:40] <miss0r> hmm... I am just running around here setting up the mill, glansing at the chat here from time to time. and now I am wondering. When it comes to beer, what is considered a 'sour' ?
[14:41:49] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: I've seen the Warka around but I do tend to stop at lots of German or Polish delis
[14:42:18] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: what kind of dishes do they have?
[14:42:40] <miss0r> roycroft: Last message was for you^
[14:43:28] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: delis here can just be a store with a deli case, so mostly cold cuts, herrings, cheese and breads
[14:43:44] <CaptHindsight> imported snacks
[14:43:53] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: So no polish/german specific dishes?
[14:44:09] <CaptHindsight> some have a few tables and have hot foods like Roladen, goulash etc
[14:44:22] <gregcnc> oh radler is a half fruit soda half beer thing, but you're talking restaurant
[14:44:26] <Jymmm> whats roladen?
[14:45:03] <CaptHindsight> http://allrecipes.com/recipe/25194/german-rouladen/
[14:45:45] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: sorry yeah, I see Warka at the delis I drop into
[14:46:07] <gregcnc> Rich's?
[14:46:31] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: sounds good =)
[14:48:20] <CaptHindsight> off to the post office
[14:48:48] <gregcnc> have some patience people are slow today
[14:49:10] <Jymmm> and LONG lines at the post offices
[14:49:24] <CaptHindsight> i drop off
[14:49:39] <MacGalempsy> guys I am having trouble getting the cnc menu to post into linuxmint has anyone around here had success in doing so? cant figure out what im missing
[14:50:57] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: binnys in lake Zurich
[14:51:05] <CaptHindsight> http://www.binnys.com/beer/Warka_822487.html
[14:51:15] <gregcnc> i'll have to remember next time I go that way
[14:51:41] <CaptHindsight> limited avail. in McHenry and Algonquin
[14:52:02] <gregcnc> Thanks I didn't think they would have it
[14:55:15] <CaptHindsight> miss0r: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sour_beer
[14:58:25] <Tom_L> JT-Shop you around?
[14:58:54] <Tom_L> wondering if i put the old index.html back if it would build the calendars anyway
[15:02:00] <roycroft> i was just at the post office and it was insane
[15:02:21] <Jymmm> roycroft: out the door?
[15:02:31] <roycroft> there's no window service on saturdays
[15:02:40] <roycroft> but there were dozens of people there, trying to ship packages
[15:02:55] <roycroft> there is a call window that is open until 1pm on saturdays, but no financial transactions there
[15:02:57] <roycroft> just pickup
[15:03:21] <roycroft> however, the branch manager was at the call window with a cc terminal, doing shipments with credit cards, but no cash
[15:03:25] <roycroft> and people were pissed off
[15:04:17] <roycroft> there is an entrance door and an exit door there, clearly marked
[15:04:44] <roycroft> when i was leaving a lady opened the exit door, barreled in and almost knocked me over, and shouted "get out of my wah! what's wrong with you?!"
[15:04:50] <roycroft> way
[15:05:09] * roycroft decided to bite his tongue and not point out that she was using the wrong door
[15:08:41] <Jymmm> roycroft: Yeah, I might have too, not sure. There was a LONG line at the grocery store, a pregnant lady was in front of me and to not block the man thrufair, we were in an isle.....
[15:09:38] <Jymmm> so some guy heads right up to the self-register, and when I mention the line is back here, he says "Well, I'm already here..." Yeah, wrong thing to say....
[15:09:44] <roycroft> i did not see where that lady came from, but i would be willing to bet she arrived in the cadillac occupying two parking places in the very full parking lot
[15:09:51] <jthornton> just for a bit Tom_L
[15:10:35] <gregcnc> Jymmm did you let him leave alive?
[15:10:40] <Jymmm> I loudly said "there's a pregnant lady waiting as well", he mumbled something and kept his head down, but continued to check out.
[15:10:56] <Jymmm> gregcnc: Oh I GUARNTEE that he will NEVER EVER do that agian.
[15:11:47] <Jymmm> If it was me, eh, I'd think another dumbass, but she was REALLY preggers too, so yeah, no
[15:13:24] <Jymmm> gregcnc: My mouth is a lethal weapon, so is e alive, I'd say not.
[15:13:32] <Jymmm> he*
[15:13:39] <gregcnc> dang
[15:14:30] <roycroft> oh well, just another week of this particular insanity
[15:15:58] <roycroft> then we get boxing day madness!
[15:16:34] <Jymmm> gregcnc: When ppl are being shitty like that to a pregger lady, yeah I do speak up on their defense.
[15:17:07] <Jymmm> EVERYBODY was looking at the guy by the time I got done =)
[15:18:58] <roycroft> assholes like that don't care what other people think, jymmm
[15:19:00] <roycroft> that is the problem
[15:19:36] <Jymmm> roycroft: Yeah, I know. But He'll think twice next time.
[15:19:41] <roycroft> they're not only the center of the universe, they own the entire universe
[15:19:44] <roycroft> maybe
[15:19:58] <roycroft> maybe his second thought will only be to see if you're there
[15:20:11] <Jymmm> Oh he was VERY embarrased by the time I got done.
[15:20:22] <roycroft> yet continued to check out
[15:20:32] <roycroft> so not embarrassed enough
[15:21:01] <Jymmm> I really left him no choice. He tried to sly past, THEN I let him have it.
[15:21:23] <Jymmm> but you're probably right.
[15:22:11] <roycroft> http://roseburg.craigslist.org/tls/5887998747.html
[15:22:17] <roycroft> that looks like a good deal if it's in decent shape
[15:22:37] <roycroft> except for the part where i wouldhave to build a new shop to house it
[15:22:38] <Jymmm> I did the same thing to 6 cops too, but at least they listened and responded properly
[15:22:55] <roycroft> don't get me wrong
[15:22:55] <jdh> that's a bigass lathe
[15:23:03] <roycroft> i'm all about shaming folks when they deserve to be shamed
[15:23:21] <roycroft> a couple months ago i was at a thai restaurant with some friends
[15:23:47] <roycroft> when we were leaving some guy pulled into the handicap spot and started running into the restaurant
[15:24:08] <roycroft> i shouted "why are you being a jerk and using the handicap spot?"
[15:24:22] <roycroft> he started mumbling about only being there for a minute to pick up some take-away
[15:24:34] <roycroft> i pointed out that in that minute a handicapped person might arrve
[15:24:35] <roycroft> arrive
[15:24:40] <roycroft> and there's no way of predicting that
[15:24:49] <roycroft> he actually said "yes, you're right, i'm sorry"
[15:24:52] <roycroft> got in his car
[15:24:53] <roycroft> and moved it
[15:24:58] <Jymmm> nice
[15:25:09] <roycroft> so there's hope that every once in a while the shaming will sink in
[15:25:42] <roycroft> i thanked him for being willing to think about the consequences of his actions and altering them
[15:26:03] <Jymmm> He, if he was a jerk, you could have always parked behind him, said you had car trouble, then called the cops. It's like a $4000 ticket
[15:26:12] <roycroft> it's $375 here
[15:26:17] <roycroft> but that's another tactic i take
[15:26:19] <roycroft> i don't block them in
[15:26:29] <Jymmm> It's two $2000 tickets in California
[15:27:06] <roycroft> i just walk up to the car, very deliberately take a picture of the license plate, the windshield that is not displaying a handicap placard, and the car parked in the space, showing the sign
[15:27:11] <Jymmm> No, wait, sorry, that's if you are using someonee elses handicap plac
[15:27:21] <roycroft> usually the person starts sweating and freaking out
[15:27:38] <roycroft> on the occasions where they ask (usually demand) what i'm doing
[15:27:54] <roycroft> i tell them i'm helping them with a $375 reminder not to park where they shouldn't
[15:28:11] <FloppyDisk525> I'm wondering w/ all my galvanized welding if I can get a handicap pass? Maybe out to the garage for more fumes...
[15:28:15] <Jymmm> heh
[15:28:22] <roycroft> that lathe would be nice if i had room for it
[15:28:29] <Jymmm> FloppyDisk525: breath deeply
[15:28:30] <roycroft> big lathes can make small parts
[15:28:42] <roycroft> it would be a fun cnc conversion
[15:28:57] <Jymmm> roycroft: to make what, toothpicks?
[15:28:58] <roycroft> i should think that with something that big i'd want to drive the z-axis nut, not screw
[15:29:15] <roycroft> i could see a long screw like that whipping pretty easily
[15:29:35] <Jymmm> roycroft: coild cord attached to Z handle
[15:30:13] <roycroft> driving the nut instead of the screw would mean attaching both motors to the carriage
[15:30:48] <roycroft> are geared ball screw nuts available?
[15:30:59] <roycroft> or would one have to machine a carrier for the nut?
[15:32:08] <enleth> roycroft: they are being made, not sure what the availability would be
[15:32:09] <roycroft> even on something like a 12x36 that might actually be an interesting idea
[15:32:20] <roycroft> it would make mounting the z screw really simple
[15:32:26] <roycroft> no bearings needed
[15:32:42] <roycroft> just a ridgid mount on each end, with a tensioning mechanism
[15:32:46] <enleth> roycroft: my mill has ball nuts that are actually toothed belt pulleys on the outside
[15:32:57] <roycroft> that would be the thing to get, enleth
[15:33:09] <roycroft> makes mounting the motor simple
[15:33:18] <roycroft> and easier to eliminate backlash
[15:33:22] <enleth> but I haven't got the faintest idea of how and where to buy them
[15:34:02] <roycroft> the drawback to this is that the carriage would be a lot heavier, having to support two motors as well as itself and the tooling
[15:35:05] <roycroft> if one mounted the z srew on the back side of the bed and the x screw on the front, it would be a bit more balanced
[15:35:14] <enleth> roycroft: you can also attach a stationary screw to a moving section of the machine
[15:35:51] <Jymmm> roycroft: I just saw your cadillac taking two spots comment.... I'm wondering if a spray bottle of oil applied to windshield would be a solution?
[15:36:11] <enleth> roycroft: the table on my mill is driven like that - stationary screw on the table, captive rotating nut on the saddle, X motor hangs off the saddle instead of the table
[15:36:26] <roycroft> i've been so tempted to get some bumper stickers made up informing folks of their transgressions, and getting a very very sticky adhesive applied to them
[15:36:45] <roycroft> slap one right across the windshield directly in the driver's view and it could be very effective
[15:37:16] <Jymmm> roycroft: pink toilet paper and a spray bottle
[15:37:28] <roycroft> but if the person were a moron (and parking in a handicap spot illegally is an indicator of being a moron), drove with it anyway, and got in a crash, i could be held liable
[15:37:34] <roycroft> if they caught me
[15:37:45] <roycroft> and with cameras everywhere these days there's a good chance i'd be caught
[15:37:52] <enleth> roycroft: as for stickers, find someone who can score them in a zig-zag pattern, with a glue strong enough they will break apart during removal
[15:38:19] <roycroft> covering the windshield with shaving cream might be about as effective
[15:38:32] <roycroft> it would certainly delay the person and give pause to consider what they've done
[15:39:35] <roycroft> so i asked this the other day, when the channel were mostly idle
[15:39:46] <roycroft> and got no response, so pardon me if i ask again
[15:39:49] <jdh> vandalism is never appropriate
[15:40:02] <Jymmm> roycroft: bumper sticker "Someone might have placed an explosive on your car"
[15:40:10] <enleth> pre-scored stickers in the shape of a dick, with "you get one for parking like a dick" written on them, were very popular at some point here, extremely difficult to remove
[15:41:06] <roycroft> without getting into a stepper vs. servo religious war, if one used stepper motors with dual-ended shafts and an encoder on one end, would that 1. eliminate the indexing problem inherent with steppers that might skip steps under load, and 2. does linuxcnc know how to deal with these so-called "hybrid stepper motors"?
[15:41:23] <roycroft> or, does the controller board handle that and linuxcnc is oblivious?
[15:41:58] <roycroft> jdh: i consider a bumper sticker on a windshield that is very difficult to remove a form of vandalism
[15:42:06] <roycroft> shaving cream that can be wiped off easily, not so much
[15:42:13] <Jymmm> roycroft: Parker OEM750X has encoder inputs
[15:42:13] <roycroft> as long as it doesn't damage the paint job
[15:42:21] <jdh> unless it etches the glass
[15:42:26] <roycroft> or that
[15:42:40] <Jymmm> glass etchant in a spray bottle =)
[15:42:44] <roycroft> i agree that anything that causes real damage is unacceptable
[15:42:47] <jdh> so... "you were a dick, so now I will be"
[15:43:00] <Jymmm> cooking oil in a spray bottle should be annoying enough
[15:43:05] <roycroft> i'm a little on the fence about that, jdh
[15:43:32] <roycroft> it's a fine line between making sure the person understands they did something wrong and being just as bad as the person
[15:43:58] <roycroft> jymmm: that means that the controller handles it, and linuxcnc doesn't know or care?
[15:44:04] <gregcnc> encoders on steppers will notify linuxcnc if steps are lost only if there is a following error
[15:44:04] <roycroft> if it's that controller
[15:44:09] <Jymmm> roycroft: I believe so
[15:44:14] <pcw_home> roycroft: you need matching driver for the servo step-motor systems
[15:44:27] <pcw_home> a matching
[15:44:51] <Jymmm> roycroft: jthornton wrote up soemthing about this, basically what is lcnc suppose to do if that happens
[15:44:56] <roycroft> is an encoder on the end of a stepper shaft as good at indexing as a servo + "proper" encoder?
[15:45:06] <pcw_home> you cannot re-create one with LinuxCNC and a standard drive
[15:45:24] <roycroft> i'm well aware of the other advantages of servos over steppers, aside from positive indexing
[15:45:46] <pcw_home> the "hybrid" servo steppers are full servo systems
[15:45:49] <Jymmm> roycroft: My OEM750's came with encoders, so I know it's done on an industrial level. (used surplus drivers)
[15:45:50] <gregcnc> pcw_home I thought that's been done?
[15:46:12] <roycroft> this is where i'm confused, i suppose
[15:46:15] <gregcnc> https://forum.linuxcnc.org/forum/27-driver-boards/16030-encoder-support-in-stepper-systems#16040
[15:46:23] <roycroft> because i see the drives referred to as "hybrid steppers" and "hybrid servos"
[15:46:31] <roycroft> and i think they're essentially the same thing
[15:46:31] <pcw_home> It can be done (standard step motors and drives + encoders) and has some advantages
[15:46:39] <roycroft> named from two different perspectives, mayhap
[15:47:13] <pcw_home> almost all step motors are "hybrid" step motors
[15:47:42] <pcw_home> thats something entirely different than the step motor servos
[15:47:57] <gregcnc> hybrid stepper refers to the design of the motor itself
[15:48:13] <pcw_home> Yes
[15:48:44] <gregcnc> servos utilizing stepper motors is what we are dsicussing
[15:49:10] <pcw_home> ( the servo step motor drives and non servo both use the same type of motor )
[15:49:18] <Wolf_> I thought driver without encoder inputs was normally found in servo systems
[15:49:35] <pcw_home> the drives are different
[15:49:40] <Wolf_> normally/common
[15:49:46] <t12> im building some combo stepper encoder stuff
[15:49:59] <gregcnc> a servo system implies some feedback from the motor
[15:50:01] <t12> it seems to end up being steploss compensation
[15:50:38] <pcw_home> Yes the servo stenvo step mototor system do commutation so you cannot lose steps
[15:51:10] <gregcnc> steppers are fine as long as size properly you will never "lose steps" in normal use
[15:51:11] <Wolf_> http://i.imgur.com/EOp8e4l.jpg
[15:51:24] <pcw_home> a normal step drive can lose steps (commutation sync) because it has no information on rotor position
[15:52:06] <pcw_home> also normal step drives pull radially on the rotor, servo drives pull tangentially
[15:52:15] <t12> i guess you can more accurately microstep too?
[15:52:43] <pcw_home> its not really microstepping if its a servo
[15:53:10] <pcw_home> but yes higher resolution/accuracy is possible (given enough encoder resolution)
[15:53:10] <roycroft> so it seems from what i can glean from that discussion that one can use steppers with built-in encoders, and tell linxuxcnc to get all its positioning information from the encoder
[15:53:12] <Wolf_> this drive I have kinda confuses me on that subject… but being BLDC and we are talking about step servos
[15:53:21] <roycroft> and just tell the stepper to start moving when need be
[15:53:34] <pcw_home> Not quite
[15:53:47] <pcw_home> you need the special drive
[15:53:51] <roycroft> right
[15:53:52] <Wolf_> not sure if its relevant
[15:54:03] <t12> actually have somr voard based on trinamic drivers in hand
[15:54:07] <t12> need to bring it up
[15:54:16] <roycroft> i'm not saying take an off-the-shelf stepper and slap an encoder on one of the shaft ends
[15:54:44] <roycroft> but but get one that comes with the encoder already
[15:54:45] <pcw_home> step servos = BLDC just different number of phases and poles
[15:55:04] <pcw_home> its not the encoder, its the drive
[15:55:26] <roycroft> yes, i get that
[15:55:41] <roycroft> but if a drive ships with a factory-installed encoder then it would be the correct type of drive
[15:55:59] <roycroft> if you put your own encoder on the end of a random stepper motor it's probably not the right motor
[15:56:25] <pcw_home> it might be OK if the encoder had the right resolution
[15:56:28] <Wolf_> think what he is saying is you need a specific driver as well
[15:56:37] <roycroft> yes, i understand that as well
[15:57:44] <roycroft> the context for this is that i'm having the stepper vs. servo debate in my head
[15:57:51] * Wolf_ is still a servo system noob
[15:58:28] <Wolf_> but I was thinking the same thing the other day, why can’t I just slap some encoders on the back of my stepper setup
[15:58:31] <roycroft> and what i've come up with so far is that the main advantage, in my mind, for my current situation, of servos over steppers is positioning
[15:58:53] <roycroft> i know that the stepper fans say that if the stepper is sized correctly it will never lose a step
[15:59:00] <roycroft> i'm not sure i'm entirely convinced of that
[15:59:07] <pcw_home> the step servo drive is basically a standard AC servo drive using field oriented control maximise the current that generates torque
[15:59:10] <Wolf_> well, not positioning, but error reporting
[15:59:25] <roycroft> and even if that were demonstrably true, i still feel better about knowing instead of predicting where i am
[16:00:07] <pcw_home> the other advantage of a step servo, like a normal servo, its almost 0 power when idle
[16:00:11] <roycroft> i like the feedback loop that an encoder can provide
[16:00:47] <Wolf_> the thing that got me wondering is the servo drive I have that lacks a encoder input
[16:01:30] <pcw_home> (no torque/current is applied unless needed) a normal step drive idles at full current pulling radially on the rotor
[16:03:34] <Wolf_> and a proper tuned servo system will only send current if the encoder senses that its moving when it shouldn’t, right?
[16:04:14] <Wolf_> or is that a driver feature?
[16:04:42] <roycroft> an encoder would also allow one to map the leadscrew and compensate for inaccuracies
[16:04:57] <roycroft> something i don't see how to do with stepper motors
[16:05:03] <Wolf_> how?
[16:05:28] <roycroft> not a motor-based encoder
[16:05:34] <roycroft> but a glass scale along the axis
[16:05:54] <Wolf_> yeah, that would, if the software was smart
[16:06:07] <Wolf_> else you have a system that always thinks something is wrong lol
[16:06:40] <roycroft> i thought linuxcnc could map a leadscrew, similarly to how it can probe a workpiece
[16:07:05] <roycroft> this assumes the encoder is accurate of course :)
[16:07:26] <pcw_home> yes LinuxCNC has leadscrew error compensation
[16:07:55] <pcw_home> (which will work for step motors also)
[16:08:00] <roycroft> sure
[16:08:20] <roycroft> what got me thinking about motor-based encoders is that glass scales can be expensive
[16:08:33] <roycroft> and on a decent size lathe, putting one on the z axis would be very pricey
[16:09:04] <pcw_home> usually only pretty high end systems use glass scales
[16:09:33] <pcw_home> (often in addition to the servo rotary encoder)
[16:09:35] <roycroft> it's probably cheaper to just get a precision ground leadscrew and trust its accuracy than to get a glass scale to verify
[16:10:30] <pcw_home> some older systems (anilam etc) have only glass scales and no rotary encoders at all)
[16:12:11] <pcw_home> these are somewhat a pain to tune due to the springy-ness of the drive and any backlash that's present
[16:12:47] <roycroft> i have to head out to the shop for a bit now
[16:12:56] <roycroft> i really appreciate the insights on these hybrid motors
[16:13:07] <roycroft> i'm sure i'll be asking more about them later
[16:13:18] <roycroft> but i have a better sense of what they are and what they can do now
[16:28:20] <Deejay> gn8
[16:32:53] <MacGalempsy> are these two lines all that are needed to make the menus?
[16:33:05] <MacGalempsy> sudo make modules_install
[16:33:10] <MacGalempsy> sudo make install
[16:34:53] <Wolf_> i dont think so
[16:35:02] <MacGalempsy> Wolf_: which ones did you use?
[16:35:38] <Wolf_> http://www.wiki.eusurplus.com/index.php?title=LinuxCNC_Run_In_Place
[16:35:41] <Wolf_> $ make
[16:35:42] <Wolf_> $ make install-menus
[16:35:43] <Wolf_> $ sudo make setuid
[16:36:34] <MacGalempsy> ok will try it again
[16:36:50] <MacGalempsy> Wolf_: did you isolate cpus?
[16:37:02] <Wolf_> huh?
[16:37:44] <MacGalempsy> there is a thread about the j1900 and by using the isolcpus the poster was able to drop their jitter to ~7000
[16:38:04] <Wolf_> oh no i didn’t, need to try
[16:38:31] <MacGalempsy> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?The_Isolcpus_Boot_Parameter_And_GRUB2
[16:39:13] <pcw_home> in my experience isolcpus is a mistake with Preempt-RT
[16:39:47] <MacGalempsy> ok. i turned off turbo and c state reporting. the max jitter is about 54000
[16:40:13] <MacGalempsy> i would like to get it low enough to run a faster thread
[16:40:26] <pcw_home> its appropriate for software stepping RTAI systems
[16:40:47] <Wolf_> mines at 92000…
[16:41:15] <Wolf_> but I still have a load of stuff turned on in gui settings
[16:41:32] <MacGalempsy> this thing is running a mesa card. and with trying to run these torquemode drives, it would be nice to run a little faster than 1khz
[16:41:39] <Tom_L> 10 F mmm still dropping
[16:42:19] <Tom_L> 30mph wind gusts
[16:43:13] <pcw_home> if you have 54000 ns jitter, a 4 KHz servo thread should be easy (but a J1900 is going to bog down considerably at 4 KHz servo thread and may not be able to do it)
[16:44:03] <MacGalempsy> cool
[16:45:00] <pcw_home> like when the D525 Atoms were popular, people claimed really good jitter numbers but they will not run a 2 KHz servo thread reliably
[16:45:29] <pcw_home> so to some extent, running a fast servo thread need more horsepower
[16:45:43] <MacGalempsy> ah, ok.
[16:45:57] <dioz> any of you old men thread your own black iron?
[16:46:49] <MacGalempsy> pcw_home: do you think a 3khz should be doable? that is the bandwidth of the drives
[16:54:58] <pcw_home> Possibly , no way to know but try
[17:16:20] <miss0r> FREK! an annoying time to discover you've unskillfully misset the offset by 1mm, is when you are done buffing the aluminium part to a mirror finish... (3 parts) *sigh*
[17:16:57] <miss0r> it is now 23:53, and I promised the client a finished product tomorrow... its gonna be along one
[17:17:03] <Wolf_> ouch
[17:18:36] <miss0r> to add insult to injury, the guy looks and talks like a biker, and the part is a reiser assembly for a motorcycle handlebar :)
[17:19:01] <miss0r> In other words: back to work
[18:26:08] <MacGalempsy> awesome! the machine started up and homed on linuxmint
[18:26:28] <MacGalempsy> still no cnc menu, but atleast the build started
[18:26:35] <XXCoder> nice
[18:27:28] <MacGalempsy> there was an issue with the j1900n-d3v running the standard version
[18:27:38] <XXCoder> dammit! http://www.ebay.com/itm/CNC-400W-Brushless-Spindle-Motor-ER11-driver-speed-controller-Mount-engraving-/261991164249
[18:27:42] <XXCoder> its 57mm dia :(
[18:27:45] <MacGalempsy> it had a funky scrambled
[18:27:47] <XXCoder> I planned to buy this
[18:27:54] <XXCoder> guess not now.
[18:28:29] <MacGalempsy> thats too bad. you cant make themount fit?
[18:28:55] <XXCoder> nope. well techinically can but dont want to
[18:31:58] <MacGalempsy> now to find the dang cable to run to the vfd and do a little configuring
[18:32:01] <XXCoder> I dont get why certain features is limited to certain spindle size
[18:32:12] <XXCoder> that very nice controller is never found below 55mm for example
[18:32:21] <XXCoder> abnd vdf is found only at 65 or larger
[18:32:56] <MacGalempsy> maybe the AH of the larger motor?
[18:33:20] <MacGalempsy> can you mixmatch the components?
[18:33:26] <XXCoder> I wonder too
[18:33:33] <XXCoder> im looking for controller only now
[18:33:41] <XXCoder> spindles all just 2 wires
[18:33:53] <XXCoder> so should be able to but then dunno
[18:33:53] <MacGalempsy> maybe you can msg the seller
[18:34:05] <MacGalempsy> what size do you need?
[18:34:25] <XXCoder> 52mm spindle diameter
[18:34:31] <XXCoder> well or much rarer 43
[18:34:41] <CaptHindsight> Dear Importer of Chinese crap,
[18:35:20] <XXCoder> http://www.ebay.com/itm/AC20-110V-Input-DC-Motor-Speed-Controller-Driver-Board-PWM-Spindle-for-MACH3-/201644786250
[18:35:27] <MacGalempsy> i would guess that the chinese crap will be going up by 45%, or the quality will degrade 45% to bring the price down
[18:35:41] <MacGalempsy> at least in the us
[18:35:48] <CaptHindsight> 15 minute warranty
[18:36:17] <XXCoder> nah theyre generous. 5 day warranty, which starts once they finish making it
[18:36:49] <MacGalempsy> XXCoder: do you have a working spindle already?
[18:36:50] <CaptHindsight> "guaranteed to arrive"
[18:36:54] <MacGalempsy> lol
[18:36:57] <XXCoder> lol
[18:37:01] <XXCoder> MacGalempsy: nah
[18:37:35] <XXCoder> I just want setup where it can set speed by gcode turn on and off
[18:37:36] <MacGalempsy> "Sure. we'll give a free replacement. Just send it back to us. By the way the requisition order expires in 3 days."
[18:37:42] <XXCoder> and 52mm spindle thats all really
[18:38:05] <MacGalempsy> I had that on some SAS SSD a few years ago
[18:38:17] <MacGalempsy> 2day mail to malaysia from oklahoma city
[18:38:18] <XXCoder> "warranty lasts forever!*" "* as long as you dont call us warranty stays live"
[18:38:33] <MacGalempsy> the bill was like $300 for both drives
[18:39:10] <XXCoder> that controller board can supply 2000w which is overkill, spindle would be 400w at best
[18:39:13] <XXCoder> 500w maybe
[18:39:27] <XXCoder> I dont know if it would overpower spindle damage it or not.
[18:41:08] <MacGalempsy> i think I would like to change out my servo drives to something digital
[18:41:12] <XXCoder> http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-CNC-0-4KW-Spindle-Motor-ER11-Mach3-PWM-Speed-controller-Mount-3-175mm-/401008559845
[18:41:16] <XXCoder> not too bad
[18:41:22] <XXCoder> just not nicely enclosed driver
[18:41:25] <MacGalempsy> something that tunes easier
[18:42:22] <XXCoder> price is pretty cheap. just need powerbox
[18:42:36] <MacGalempsy> anyone have any experience with geckos?
[18:43:48] <MacGalempsy> g320x
[18:45:40] <XXCoder> allright confirmed my BOB has PWM output
[18:46:38] <XXCoder> AC spindle is better right?
[18:47:00] <XXCoder> drat no AC 52mm
[18:49:46] <Kevin`> XXCoder: an ac induction spindle runs at a speed determined by the frequency of ac fed into it, which allows open-loop speed control. There's nothing wrong with dc motors (especially a brushless synchronous motor) but it requires position sensing to maintain speed
[18:50:06] <XXCoder> cool
[18:50:25] <XXCoder> my machine is quite small so limited to lower spindle sizes which mean feature limited. bleh heh
[18:52:35] <XXCoder> finally
[18:52:37] <XXCoder> https://www.amazon.com/Spindle-Controller-Bracket-Engraving-Milling/dp/B00CMJSJG4/
[18:52:47] <XXCoder> what you guys think
[18:53:08] <XXCoder> 3k to 12k rpm typical dc spindle speed for smaller ones
[18:57:05] <XXCoder> Kevin`: http://www.ebay.com/itm/400W-Spindle-Motor-ER11-3-175mm-Mach3-PWM-Speed-controller-Mount-Base-Power-/152172694901
[18:57:09] <XXCoder> not too bad I think
[18:57:12] <XXCoder> perfect for wood
[19:16:32] <Tom_L> 9 F
[19:16:57] <XXCoder> 64f room heh
[19:17:13] <XXCoder> wall to my back is 56f
[19:17:26] <XXCoder> gonna love that damned power box
[19:17:59] <Jymmm> 35F now, going down to low 20's
[19:18:24] <Kevin`> XXCoder: IMO you NEED speed control for a milling cutter
[19:18:26] <Tom_L> still windy too
[19:18:44] <Kevin`> XXCoder: not just pwm control over dc
[19:18:54] <XXCoder> 30f and will be 27f
[19:19:24] <XXCoder> yeah wondering about hall effect sensor
[19:19:30] <Jymmm> I have the faucets all wrapped up in theri favorite blankies
[19:19:34] <XXCoder> but dunno. still learning
[19:19:43] <Kevin`> a hall sensor feeding back counts into linuxcnc would be fine
[19:19:54] <Kevin`> induction motor with vfd is easier though
[19:21:01] <XXCoder> yeah but no such thing as vfd 52mm spindle
[19:21:25] <Kevin`> cut a new mount
[19:21:29] <Jymmm> XXCoder: duct tape
[19:21:34] <XXCoder> lol
[19:21:49] <XXCoder> Kevin my machine is tiny
[19:21:58] <XXCoder> I can fit 3 in my car trunk
[19:22:26] <Jymmm> XXCoder: how many in the glovebox?
[19:22:29] <Kevin`> these sort look pretty small: http://www.ebay.com/itm/air-cooling-800w-4bearing-cnc-spindle-motor-and-matching-inverter-vfd-3d-printer-/171402870819?hash=item27e8684023:g:luoAAOxy4fVTAsy1
[19:22:36] <XXCoder> Jymmm: oh just 5
[19:22:44] <Jymmm> I beive it
[19:23:01] <XXCoder> 3d printer LOL
[19:23:08] <XXCoder> man they use all words.
[19:23:13] <Kevin`> XXCoder: it looks very close to or identical to the size of the dc one based on the collet actually
[19:23:32] <Jymmm> XXCoder: I saw that too. you should ask what 3d printers it fits on
[19:24:12] <XXCoder> 65mm
[19:25:28] <Kevin`> what happened to the motor that's on your machine right now?
[19:26:12] <Kevin`> or, was on
[19:26:16] <Kevin`> I remember you cutting stuff
[19:26:23] <Kevin`> why not just add a position sensor to that?
[19:26:55] <kb8wmc> pcw_home: have you seen these servos?
[19:27:03] <XXCoder> yeah that was shitty 43mm "spindle"
[19:27:10] <XXCoder> grinder really. 27000 rpm
[19:27:19] <XXCoder> it was so bad lol
[19:27:55] <Kevin`> I think it would be a lot better if you had closed loop speed control over it
[19:27:59] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sojJgCfDbp4 last run with it
[19:28:17] <XXCoder> it was before I knew how bad nylon was
[19:28:46] <Kevin`> you can hear in the first few seconds of that video that the speed changes to about half the no-load value
[19:29:02] <XXCoder> no, I cant hear lol
[19:29:08] <Kevin`> well, I can
[19:29:26] <XXCoder> thats why I want it to have feedback type spindle but still figuring that out :)
[19:30:01] <Kevin`> second plunge it's going to what sounds like 10%
[19:31:17] <XXCoder> one things for sure. im not using transitions again, i was just polaying with it
[19:31:29] <Kevin`> transitions?
[19:31:36] <XXCoder> video transitions
[19:34:05] <Jymmm> XXCoder: heh, he don't get it ;)
[19:35:14] <XXCoder> Kevin`: the effect between sections, one that looks like clouds
[19:35:26] <Jymmm> XXCoder: Bah, you never listen to me!!!
[19:35:48] <XXCoder> yeah?
[19:36:01] <Jymmm> / smartass
[19:36:33] <XXCoder> Kevin`: isnt powm speed control though?
[19:36:52] <kb8wmc> pcw_home: have you seen these servos? https://www.teknic.com/products/clearpath-brushless-dc-servo-motors/
[19:36:52] <XXCoder> I guess it just sets speed and it dont detect any changes to rpm like say when tool is jamming on nylon
[19:38:34] <gregcnc> some simple controllers have speed compensation, but if the motor is weak it's just doesn't work well
[19:39:03] <XXCoder> grteg what would you recommand, limited to 52mm, and I want feedback of some sort
[19:39:26] <gregcnc> you don't need feedback if the spindle has enoguh power
[19:39:46] <XXCoder> I suppose not but then 52mm diameter also limits power
[19:40:05] <XXCoder> I want to be able to cut alum, though that will ne fairly rare
[19:40:11] <XXCoder> mostly wood
[19:41:21] <gregcnc> sorry I don't know what's out there in that type of spindle
[19:41:37] <XXCoder> no problem :)
[19:42:01] <gregcnc> I needed on yearsa go and ended up building my own
[19:42:23] <XXCoder> you built your own spindle?
[19:42:26] <gregcnc> yes
[19:42:46] <XXCoder> cool
[19:42:51] <gregcnc> i've posted here before http://www.dieselrc.com/projects/cncspindle/
[19:43:12] <XXCoder> hey i remember thatm, found it by google while ago
[19:44:08] <gregcnc> if you can get by with 1/8" endmill, a china 800W spindle should work for aluminum
[19:44:27] <XXCoder> never found any 52mm higher than 500w
[19:44:39] <XXCoder> but its fine can cut slower
[19:44:57] <gregcnc> what rpm do they run at?
[19:45:02] <XXCoder> 3k to 12k
[19:46:25] <XXCoder> hall sensor?? https://www.amazon.com/DIGITEN-Digital-Tachometer-Proximity-Switch/dp/B00VKAT8A2/
[19:47:10] <Kevin`> XXCoder: the pwm you have right now is power control, not speed control. so you are providing enough power to the thing until air and brearing resistance makes it run at the right speed, then plunging it into something and expecting the speed to stay the same
[19:47:58] <XXCoder> yeah that was what I was thinking. thanks for confirm'
[19:48:14] <XXCoder> so basically just set power and it spins up to approx speed. but it does not adjust when cutting
[19:48:18] <gregcnc> not power but voltage
[19:48:41] <gregcnc> at reduced voltage you also get much less current under load
[19:49:01] <gregcnc> this means much much less power available at lower settings
[19:49:45] <gregcnc> 500W at 12k is pretty decent
[19:49:51] <gregcnc> link?
[19:50:20] <XXCoder> last link I posted was 400w but a sec
[19:50:32] <XXCoder> http://www.ebay.com/itm/400W-Spindle-Motor-ER11-3-175mm-Mach3-PWM-Speed-controller-Mount-Base-Power-/152172694901
[19:50:54] <XXCoder> think can do better by buying seperately as can get 500w that way
[19:51:49] <Kevin`> XXCoder: that doesn't give speed control by itself, just control over the power to the motor. you'll still need to add the same sort of sensors to it
[19:51:56] <XXCoder> indeed
[19:52:08] <XXCoder> lemme find one I planned to buy before found out its 55mm
[19:52:12] <Kevin`> personally i'd try on the motor you have now. you can always move it to something else
[19:52:30] <gregcnc> what kind of spindle do you have now?
[19:53:01] <XXCoder> nothing
[19:53:26] <XXCoder> http://www.ebay.com/itm/CNC-400W-Brushless-Spindle-Motor-ER11-driver-speed-controller-Mount-engraving-/261991164249
[19:53:39] <XXCoder> its cheaper, better and has hall sensor
[19:53:45] <XXCoder> but its also 57mm :9
[19:53:56] <XXCoder> or 55mm rather
[19:54:19] <XXCoder> clamp design says 55mm but it sayd dia 57mm or either
[19:54:19] <Kevin`> that's pretty close to what you have now, can't you make an adapter for it without it being too much larger than the original?
[19:54:23] <Kevin`> same for 60mm IMO
[19:55:08] <XXCoder> well I can either use 52mm (cannot be changed due to its unity design) or 43mm one that is seperate so can mount whatever to it
[19:55:33] <Kevin`> can you show a picture?
[19:55:35] <XXCoder> unfortunately im not very good machinist
[19:55:38] <Kevin`> of the motor mount
[19:55:43] <XXCoder> sure a sec
[19:56:02] <Kevin`> why would you need to be a good machinist, you have a cnc mill =p
[19:56:12] <XXCoder> router
[19:56:23] <gregcnc> With the brushles one you could tap a hall sensors for your speed pickup
[19:56:53] <Kevin`> shouldn't even need to do that for most purposes. unless the controller is crap it's already speed regulated internally
[19:57:18] <Kevin`> that's just software, it would be painful if it did not do so
[19:57:31] <gregcnc> yeha says somethign about closed loop so yeah
[19:57:45] <Kevin`> that type of motor needs closed loop control to turn at all
[19:57:51] <XXCoder> editing pics
[19:57:52] <gregcnc> no
[19:58:11] <Kevin`> well, technically you can drive it like a stepper motor, but nowhere near it's rated power
[19:58:16] <gregcnc> requires commutation, but not necessarily closed loop speed control
[19:58:46] <Kevin`> gregcnc: that's a software limitation. in order to control commutation, continuous position feedback is required
[19:58:59] <gregcnc> but that does not control speed
[19:59:02] <gregcnc> in any way
[19:59:31] <gregcnc> rpm will sag with load, unless you have a speed control loop
[20:00:22] <Kevin`> all you have to do to control speed is lock the motor phase when speed is reached instead of trying for maximum power. or 1000 other ways
[20:00:46] <gregcnc> no
[20:01:23] <Kevin`> these controllers have position feedback into a microcontroller to control commutation
[20:01:30] <gregcnc> phases switch based on rotor position, you are not controlling phase frequency to control speed
[20:02:15] <Kevin`> you can choose whether or not to use rotor position and what angle to apply current at
[20:02:27] <gregcnc> not for BLDC
[20:02:45] <Kevin`> why not?
[20:02:52] <Kevin`> if it doesn't do that it's a software limitation
[20:02:56] <Kevin`> that's what i'm saying
[20:02:57] <XXCoder> hmm little bit of connection issues
[20:02:59] <gregcnc> you can but it's not efficient
[20:03:02] <Kevin`> it has more than enough information to do it
[20:03:21] <gregcnc> sorry i've been aorund these things in rc totys since they come around
[20:03:28] <XXCoder> this is z assembly block for 43mm, you can see bolt pattern can connect whatever. http://picpaste.com/clamp43mm-atEmNjs8.jpg
[20:04:02] <gregcnc> they work just like PMDC brush motors, but commutation is electronic instead of mechanical
[20:04:02] <Kevin`> gregcnc: the ones in rc toys usually do NOT have software for speed control. it's not because of a hardware limitation, it's because they are cloned from each other without thinking
[20:04:11] <gregcnc> some of them do!
[20:04:23] <XXCoder> http://picpaste.com/clamp52mm-u6hbxANH.jpg this is 52mm, currently connected to machine.
[20:04:26] <XXCoder> so
[20:04:29] <XXCoder> what ya think heh
[20:04:34] <gregcnc> it's an totally separate function
[20:05:18] <Kevin`> gregcnc: why not make one of those c clamps that connects to the 43mm block?
[20:05:56] <Kevin`> XXCoder: rather ^
[20:06:08] <XXCoder> thats problem, I cant. no other machine and work I must stay close to cell so I cant go use other machine (not that I can, as its now very busy shop all machines has setups)
[20:06:48] <Wolf_> just add a job to the cell :P
[20:07:06] <XXCoder> lol cell i havent learned how to do setups.
[20:07:11] <Kevin`> I don't understand this "cell" stuff
[20:07:17] <XXCoder> its very different from basic mill machines
[20:07:22] <Kevin`> the current machine can cut aluminum blocks. cut one of those with it
[20:07:25] <Wolf_> he runs actual cnc
[20:07:53] <XXCoder> this type of machine https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzt12DKN_YY
[20:07:57] <Wolf_> or is it loading/unloading? lol
[20:08:00] <Wolf_> :P
[20:08:19] <XXCoder> its same exact system I use at work
[20:09:22] <Kevin`> forget the work stuff, do it on the machine you have
[20:09:37] <XXCoder> using grinder? heh
[20:09:39] <XXCoder> its hell
[20:11:17] <gregcnc> who's building the hover board?
[20:11:57] <Kevin`> heck, ORDER one of those clamps from china and drill matching holes in it
[20:12:14] <XXCoder> impossible
[20:12:26] <XXCoder> its too small for that. I did calculate that unfortunately
[20:13:17] <XXCoder> bolts would go though spindle
[20:13:28] <Kevin`> make a new z plate out of wood
[20:13:35] <Wolf_> might need to make a plate for it
[20:13:42] <Wolf_> or 2…
[20:13:58] <XXCoder> holy crap!!
[20:14:15] <XXCoder> clickspring is making that very old calculating machine!
[20:14:23] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRXI9KLImC4
[20:14:36] <XXCoder> antikythera mechanism
[20:15:44] <XXCoder> someone actually made lego verson while aho
[20:16:10] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLPVCJjTNgk
[20:19:47] <MacGalempsy> i didnt know they had made blueprints for that
[20:20:00] <XXCoder> they figured it out by xrays
[20:20:16] <XXCoder> and yes it is truly amazing. if they went on and got into computing
[20:20:23] <MacGalempsy> is that what the grayscale images were in the video?
[20:20:25] <XXCoder> it would be 1,000 years earlier
[20:20:28] <XXCoder> yeah
[20:23:33] <gregcnc> I couldn't find any details on that HX-WS400 BLDC control but other listings mention closed loop speed control.
[20:28:21] <MattyMatt> the latest theory is it was made by archimedes, so it wasn't greek tech as such
[20:31:07] <DaViruz> archimedes wasn't greek?
[20:31:30] <MattyMatt> sicilian originally iirc, but he worked in carthage
[20:33:26] <MattyMatt> with not enough apprentices, obviously
[20:33:29] <XXCoder> Flint water invegation got buried :(
[20:33:36] <XXCoder> yummy lead water for them I guess
[20:34:20] <gregcnc> that BLDC 400W setup seems interesting. I don't like the ER taper is not integral to the shaft
[20:34:40] <XXCoder> gregcnc: did i miss a link?
[20:34:48] <gregcnc> the one you posted
[20:35:00] <XXCoder> ahh yeah thats what sucks
[20:35:16] <XXCoder> I'm thinking maybe use shim on other side of set screw to try get runout down
[20:35:30] <XXCoder> or in least get it under .0005
[20:35:45] <XXCoder> if not under .001" is fine I guess
[21:14:14] <techrat> XXCoder, Late to the game here... what type of machine are you trying to put a spindle on? 3020/3040 Router? I am guessing from your spindle diameter constraints. I am in the same boat.
[21:14:32] <XXCoder> yeah
[21:15:11] <techrat> I have one too. I actually have started to build my own using a BLDC RC motor. Started is the key word.
[21:16:42] <techrat> I have it designed and have all of the parts... Just have to execute. It would have been easier if my original plan of having the motor axial to the spindle and direct coupled worked but not enough clearance on the Z Axis stepper.
[21:21:31] <XXCoder> oh well
[22:14:39] <MacGalempsy> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Light-Machines-BENCHMAN-VMC4000-CNC-Milling-Machine-T86312-/282273862973?hash=item41b8d5553d:g:suQAAOSwtnpXqQmu
[22:17:36] <skunkworks> wow
[22:17:52] <MacGalempsy> same machine as mine, but no ATC or 4th axis
[22:32:40] <zeeshan> skunkworks: youre nuts
[22:32:40] <zeeshan> :)
[22:32:52] <XXCoder> hey the z
[22:33:10] <zeeshan> skunkworks: i was very impressed by your servo motor rebuild
[22:33:11] <zeeshan> hi XXCoder
[22:33:42] <skunkworks> zeeshan, thanks. They have been running great on the K&T - no issues
[22:33:47] <XXCoder> zee you got any tips on buying chinese spindle 52mm diameter? I do want pwm and feedback of some form
[22:33:55] <zeeshan> skunkworks: someone was saying something about a strong magnet
[22:33:58] <zeeshan> and alignment problems
[22:34:02] <zeeshan> what were they referring to?
[22:34:12] <zeeshan> its a dC magnet so the stator has perm magnets
[22:34:20] <zeeshan> dont you just drop the rotor in and its good to go?
[22:34:31] <zeeshan> XXCoder: you know me, i have very little china stuff :P
[22:34:40] <XXCoder> lol ok
[22:34:54] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/geDkase.jpg
[22:34:56] <XXCoder> though you can advise on abstract - would hall sensor work?
[22:34:57] <skunkworks> these are not that new.. I don't think the maganets are strong enough to have issues pulling the rotor out.
[22:35:04] <zeeshan> i was going thru the lathe, see the 4 bolt pattern?
[22:35:13] <zeeshan> the thing in the middle is connected to a hydraulic cylinder
[22:35:18] <zeeshan> what is it? a parts catcher that has been removed?
[22:35:33] <zeeshan> or would it have been part of a tool setter arm?
[22:35:52] <zeeshan> skunkworks: ah so removing the rotor is the thing they were talking about
[22:36:29] <zeeshan> anyway, great job :)
[22:36:34] <zeeshan> i know im a few years late :p
[22:36:42] <skunkworks> some worry about steppers losing some power by pulling the rotor out without puting something in its place..
[22:37:31] <zeeshan> i have a weird russian servo motor
[22:37:34] <Wolf_> I had someone tell me that I messed up one of my steppers by pulling it apart
[22:37:38] <zeeshan> it doesnt have permanent magnets
[22:37:43] <zeeshan> it uses electromagnets on the stator
[22:37:51] <zeeshan> i should take it apart
[22:37:54] <zeeshan> its garbage to me
[22:38:18] <zeeshan> Wolf_ i don't know whether to believe that or not
[22:38:25] <zeeshan> it sounds like a rumor a motor rebuild spreads around
[22:38:29] <zeeshan> to avoid people from diy
[22:38:33] <Wolf_> lol
[22:38:37] <zeeshan> *rebuilders
[22:38:43] <Wolf_> who knows
[22:39:07] <Wolf_> I think I forgot to mark it though =/
[22:39:43] <skunkworks> where is the font folder on debian?
[22:41:49] * zeeshan is on a mission to remove all the covers from the nakamura lathe today
[22:41:55] <zeeshan> they look very frigging heavy tho
[22:43:56] <XXCoder> man up!
[22:51:13] <roycroft> cut them into manageable size pieces
[22:51:24] <roycroft> you can always jb weld them back together later
[22:51:52] <roycroft> slap some hammerite on them, and bob's your uncle