#linuxcnc | Logs for 2016-12-16

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[00:01:11] <MacGalempsy> Wolf_: did you have any issues when you got to the make xconfig?
[00:04:12] <Wolf_> worked ok for me, I think
[00:05:11] <MacGalempsy> Wolf_: when I type make xconfig another window opens up
[00:05:42] <Wolf_> oh right, yeah thats the config window
[00:05:54] <MacGalempsy> what do I do in there?
[00:06:23] <Wolf_> need to set something in there for Realtime Preempt
[00:07:42] <Wolf_> I kinda bumbled my way through it
[00:08:02] <MacGalempsy> i dont even see anything under there for that
[00:08:17] <Wolf_> should have two panels in the window
[00:08:37] <MacGalempsy> yes
[00:09:03] <Wolf_> its on the right side panel, I forget which tree on the left its under
[00:15:05] <Wolf_> I suck at explaining it, and only way I know to get back to it would be to do another build lol
[00:15:11] <MacGalempsy> i found it
[00:15:35] <MacGalempsy> was that the only thing you altered in there?
[00:15:41] <Wolf_> yeah
[00:15:48] <MacGalempsy> then clicked save?
[00:15:53] <Wolf_> yup
[00:16:15] <Wolf_> then next step is make -j4
[00:16:24] <Wolf_> -j being cores to use
[00:16:35] <tiwake> no
[00:16:42] <Wolf_> or…
[00:16:46] <MacGalempsy> this shows make
[00:16:50] <tiwake> -j<number of cores you have plus one>
[00:16:55] <Wolf_> oh
[00:16:56] <MacGalempsy> then sudo make modules_install
[00:17:16] <tiwake> goes faster if you go cores+1
[00:17:32] <MacGalempsy> i thought for latency you just want to use 1 core
[00:17:40] <tiwake> sure
[00:17:49] <tiwake> but this is not latency issue
[00:18:00] <tiwake> this is compile stuff as fast as possible issue
[00:18:02] <Wolf_> make -j5, is for the compile/build
[00:18:25] <Wolf_> else it does the build with 1 core
[00:18:32] <MacGalempsy> i i dont even see where the -j5 option is. is that in the xconfig?
[00:18:47] <Wolf_> no, cli make option
[00:18:56] <tiwake> no, its an argument passed on to the compiler its self
[00:20:32] <MacGalempsy> hmmm. im confused because I dont see the -j5 in the list of instructions
[00:20:57] <Wolf_> thats because everyone forgets it
[00:22:04] <MacGalempsy> ok, so if the machine is only going to use one core thru the bios, then I should type make -J2 ?
[00:22:29] <Wolf_> the -j is for the machine that is doing the compile
[00:23:05] <MacGalempsy> I typed make and its still processing
[00:23:13] <MacGalempsy> but there was no -j
[00:23:22] <Wolf_> ok, now wait like 6 hours
[00:23:30] <MacGalempsy> lol. ok.
[00:24:01] <Wolf_> thats what mine took yesterday with out the j-5
[00:24:33] <Wolf_> system monitor showed 100% on one core, and like 10-20% on the other 3
[00:25:01] <MacGalempsy> so now its back to chilling out
[00:25:29] <MacGalempsy> anyone play bf4 on xb1?
[00:29:28] <Wolf_ITX> not me
[00:29:31] <Wolf_ITX> http://pastebin.com/AnuFrtAd
[00:29:46] <Wolf_> thats my “notes” on doing the build
[00:33:06] <MacGalempsy> ok im at line 15
[00:33:49] <Wolf_> it might not be 100% right, and the lcnc stuff didn’t make any sense till I read the run in place stuff
[00:34:02] <MacGalempsy> hmm this has a different rtai version
[00:34:10] <Wolf_> mine yeah
[00:34:27] <MacGalempsy> why?
[00:34:28] <Wolf_> is using a newer kernel
[00:34:33] <MacGalempsy> ok
[00:34:45] <Wolf_> I might back up some
[00:34:51] <Wolf_> still messing with it
[00:37:38] <Wolf_> pcw I think would be the one to ask about what build to try
[00:37:59] <MacGalempsy> the one Iam using is from his post
[00:41:41] <MacGalempsy> well. 6hrs... im going to bed. ttyl
[00:41:51] <Wolf_> later
[01:41:03] <IchGucksLive> morning frm germany
[01:41:43] <IchGucksLive> Whow -30 and below in north america around the great lakes
[01:41:54] <IchGucksLive> that is real cold
[01:43:08] <IchGucksLive> Have a nice CNC day
[02:30:17] <qknight> hey. i have a blender 3d model and i would like to use our linux CNC mill to mill the surface
[02:30:23] <qknight> is that possible and how?
[02:32:49] <Deejay> moin
[02:36:12] <archivist> qknight, import to a package that has CAM eg freecad heekscad or fusion
[02:38:46] <qknight> still no clue
[02:38:50] <qknight> archivist: did you ever do that?
[02:38:58] <qknight> i need a little more explanation
[02:39:30] <archivist> I use inside rear of skull cam to generate gcode :)
[02:40:23] <archivist> CAM is the process to write gcode from a model
[02:41:29] <qknight> ah now i undertand CAM, which is basically the same for 2d printing: openSCAD -> CURA -> octoprint
[02:42:23] <qknight> archivist: is 'inside rear' a function and 'skull cam' a program?!
[02:42:45] <archivist> because I make regular round things, writing gcode direct can be as easy
[02:42:58] <Wolf_> I think he means he writes the gcode by had
[02:43:01] <Wolf_> hand
[02:43:05] <archivist> :)
[02:43:41] <Wolf_> and its sorta like cura… 3d printing cam is very simple
[02:43:47] <archivist> I should write a FrontalLobeCam :)
[02:43:52] <Wolf_> lol
[02:44:32] <Wolf_> 3d printing you don’t have to worry about the machine crashing in to the job
[02:44:51] <archivist> or rename a bit of code I did write for gear gcode generation
[02:56:36] <qknight> url to 3d printing cam is what?
[02:56:41] <qknight> i only find stupid results in google
[02:58:15] <archivist> we dont know what the item is and therefore dont know the right process to make it
[03:01:07] <Wolf_> 3d printing cam = cura or something of that sort (least I think it counts as cam)
[03:01:33] <archivist> or slicer
[03:01:43] <Wolf_> yeah that
[03:12:14] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/cAdXxPA.png
[03:12:24] <pink_vampire> few steel parts
[03:12:44] <pink_vampire> done on the g0704
[03:12:54] <Wolf_> :) nice
[03:13:04] <Wolf_> micro clamp?
[03:13:31] <pink_vampire> maybe
[03:14:04] <Wolf_> looks like a kant twist
[03:14:45] <pink_vampire> it is
[03:15:20] <pink_vampire> the screw is the most complicated part
[03:19:21] <Wolf_> yeah, pivot with threaded hole
[03:45:16] <pink_vampire> i want to use m2 screw
[03:45:30] <Wolf_> tiny
[03:45:33] <pink_vampire> but i need it a bit longer..
[03:50:33] <archivist> this is where you really need a lathe
[03:51:18] <Wolf_> most of us wouldnt be making m2 screws though :P
[03:52:08] <archivist> I have made m2 threads
[03:57:02] <pink_vampire> archivist is my inspiration on all the tiny stuff i'm do
[03:57:32] <archivist> I use my lathes more often than the mill
[03:58:55] <pink_vampire> do you know about small and accurate lathe?
[03:59:45] <archivist> accuracy is in the hands of the user
[04:01:06] <pink_vampire> http://www.grizzly.com/products/4-x-6-Micro-Metal-Lathe/G0745
[04:01:30] <pink_vampire> what do you think about convert is to cnc?
[04:01:57] <pink_vampire> and mount it on the table of the g0704 as 4th axis
[04:02:20] <archivist> as a 4th, no
[04:02:57] <pink_vampire> why?
[04:03:43] <archivist> requirements for a 4th axis spindle are different to lathe most of the time
[04:04:09] <archivist> 4th low speed rigid, lathe high speed
[04:05:29] <pink_vampire> http://www.ebay.com/itm/CNC-Rotary-Table-Engraving-Machine-Rotary-Axis-A-Axis-B-Axis-4th-5th-Axis-1-6-/261824601765?hash=item3cf5f65ea5:g:E4IAAOSwBLlVEtxy
[04:05:32] <archivist> my 4th/5th are worm drive rotary tables which would not be usable as lathe spindles
[04:06:00] <pink_vampire> how is that 4/5th combo?
[04:06:10] <archivist> I would not touch that ebay toy
[04:09:11] <archivist> you can make long deep helical cuts on a mill but it requires a lot of effort
[04:10:25] <archivist> have to support it while it is rotated http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=merlin+worm
[04:11:42] <pink_vampire> do you think the micro lathe can take some 316 cuts?
[04:12:17] <archivist> never tried one
[04:13:55] <pink_vampire> i want to make something like the swiss machines
[04:14:12] <pink_vampire> 4th axis that can be used as a lathe
[04:14:27] <pink_vampire> and also a lathe tools
[04:16:06] <archivist> a swiss has a support collet which the bar is pushed through
[04:17:24] <pink_vampire> i know, but i just going to use fixed size bar stock
[04:18:03] <archivist> the live/dead tooled lathes with chucks are not swiss
[04:19:24] <pink_vampire> by swiss i mean to use lathe tools as well with milling
[04:19:39] <archivist> if/when I get funds I shall add cnc to a swiss lathe
[04:20:09] <archivist> swiss means sliding head and collet support
[04:20:09] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/CuC4haO.png
[04:20:42] <archivist> that is easy to make
[04:21:08] <pink_vampire> for that part, it's better to use the lathe tool for making the sides, and then to drill and tap with the mill
[05:18:00] <IchGucksLive> hi from a cold Foggy germany
[05:19:57] <pink_vampire> hi IchGucksLive
[05:19:58] <IchGucksLive> qknight: still on and did you got it to work
[05:20:11] <IchGucksLive> the Bitbreaking lady
[05:20:15] <IchGucksLive> ;-)
[05:20:52] <IchGucksLive> pink_vampire: yoou did already work on the monster parts
[05:21:27] <pink_vampire> i write to you thank you yesterday, but you got disconnect
[05:21:39] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/cAdXxPA.png
[05:21:45] <IchGucksLive> i see
[05:21:46] <pink_vampire> those?
[05:21:56] <IchGucksLive> where are you in the usa
[05:22:13] <XXCoder> hey ich pink
[05:22:16] <IchGucksLive> [03:12:14] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/cAdXxPA.png
[05:22:48] <IchGucksLive> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~tom-itx/irc/logs/%23linuxcnc/2016-12-16.html#03:12:14
[05:22:57] <pink_vampire> hi XXCoder
[05:23:10] <XXCoder> curious what those parts is for
[05:23:38] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: it you are a true machinist you will know
[05:24:16] <XXCoder> k clamps?
[05:25:40] <pink_vampire> correct
[05:25:49] <pink_vampire> super small ones
[05:25:53] <XXCoder> havent used one for over half a year
[05:26:12] <XXCoder> cell just dont use any
[05:27:32] <pink_vampire> i hope i can make it work
[05:28:35] <IchGucksLive> noon its lunch time in Europ BYE
[05:28:52] <XXCoder> cool, I guess its to hold even smaller parts lol
[05:28:57] <XXCoder> later ich
[05:32:25] <pink_vampire> i don't think it will be super usable.. just cute little thing
[05:32:41] <XXCoder> cool
[05:32:54] <XXCoder> make even tinier ones for earrings? kidding heh
[05:33:32] <pink_vampire> self clamp earring
[05:33:49] <jthornton> morning
[05:33:54] <XXCoder> hey jt
[05:34:45] <jthornton> what's up
[05:35:05] <XXCoder> weekend finally
[05:35:13] <pink_vampire> few steel parts from my g0704 http://i.imgur.com/cAdXxPA.png
[05:35:18] <XXCoder> some weeks just ugh heh
[05:35:18] <pink_vampire> jthornton: ^
[05:35:32] <jthornton> your weekend starts Friday morning?
[05:35:43] <XXCoder> yep
[05:35:48] <XXCoder> I work 4 days a week fulltime
[05:36:56] <jthornton> 10 hour days?
[05:37:02] <XXCoder> yeah
[05:37:16] <XXCoder> its fine, and hiolidays is 10 hours pay :)
[05:37:17] <jthornton> what do those parts do?
[05:37:29] <jthornton> nice
[05:38:08] <XXCoder> weekend shift is even insaner. 12 hours a day. thing is they still get 10 hour holidays which means they work 13 hours for remaining 2. xmas ho;idays weekend is worse, they have to work 16 hours in single remaining day!
[05:39:44] <jthornton> I used to like the third shift submarine overhaul 12pm to 7am with 1/2 hr lunch and got paid for 8 hrs
[05:40:46] <XXCoder> wow. btw weekend shift work 36 hours but paid 40.
[05:40:55] <XXCoder> I already menioned the downside heh
[05:41:10] <archivist> 8 days a week
[05:41:12] <XXCoder> they got hell day coming
[05:42:00] <jthornton> I need a -10f day to change the fill valve on the 300 gallon propane tank
[05:42:15] <XXCoder> box and dry ice
[05:42:33] <XXCoder> leave temperate sensor near the valve
[05:42:34] <jthornton> be a big box and lots of dry ice lol
[05:42:47] <XXCoder> when its reaching -10f swap it before it goes past down that
[05:43:10] <XXCoder> hmm I was vague, I meant around the valve
[05:43:10] <jthornton> need the cold to reduce the vapor pressure so I can safely change it
[05:43:16] <XXCoder> ahh
[05:43:28] <XXCoder> yeah that'd nbeed whole thing
[05:46:16] <Wolf_> foam board box and liquid nitrogen
[05:47:19] <jthornton> the other option is to run it empty, but I need to put some back so they will fill it
[05:47:49] <XXCoder> jt transfer as much as possible to smaller tank, run large to empty
[05:48:01] <XXCoder> change valve, transfer back, get refill?
[05:48:13] <jthornton> you can't transfer the gas only the liquid
[05:48:36] <jthornton> need a special setup to transfer, sucks from the bottom and is pumped
[05:48:45] <Wolf_> would need a liquid draw port
[05:49:04] <Wolf_> or flip the tank over
[05:49:22] <jthornton> what I've done in the past is to connect tank to tank without the regulator and put some gas back in
[05:49:44] <jthornton> you don't "flip" a 300 gallon propane tank
[05:50:09] <Wolf_> I know this lol
[05:58:37] <XXCoder> simpler solution
[05:58:50] <XXCoder> buy new 300gal one, throw away old onbe
[05:59:01] <XXCoder> expensive though
[06:02:02] <jthornton> I need to change the fill valve on the 500 gallon tank too but it has a fixit thing on it for now
[06:02:59] <Deejay> a fixit thing? ;)
[06:03:41] <XXCoder> aka ugly hack thingy
[06:03:46] <Deejay> hrhr
[06:04:09] <Tom_itx> zlog
[06:17:42] <jthornton> I've got 50' of wall left to cover with OSB today
[06:18:25] <Tom_itx> glad the 'drizzle' isn't freezing to the road
[06:18:34] <Jymmm> why osb instead of drywall?
[06:19:46] <jthornton> tougher and holds screws better
[06:19:55] <jthornton> and easier to put up
[06:20:08] <jthornton> and looks manly
[06:20:56] <Jymmm> Yeah, and can hang stuff on it. The drywall adds fire protection
[06:23:54] <Jymmm> If you could soak/spray on a fire retardant, you'll be in business!!!
[06:24:05] <linux_vampire> hi
[06:24:23] * jthornton doesn't want to be in that business
[06:24:55] <Jymmm> Well, you dont want to be in the "fire sale" business either.
[06:25:10] <linux_vampire> I'm tying to connect probe and touch plate to linux cnc
[06:25:15] * jthornton is not worried about a fire in the shop
[06:25:31] <Jymmm> you dont weld/grind in there?
[06:25:45] <linux_vampire> probe to pin 10 in lpt1 and touch plate to pin 11 in lpt 1
[06:25:46] <jthornton> possibly
[06:25:55] <linux_vampire> but i'm getting an error
[06:26:26] <linux_vampire> I tried also to change the name from probe to probep
[06:27:06] <linux_vampire> http://paste.debian.net/902522/
[06:27:11] <linux_vampire> this is my hal file
[06:27:22] * jthornton waits for the error message
[06:28:05] <linux_vampire> let me sse
[06:28:45] <linux_vampire> this is the error
[06:28:47] <linux_vampire> http://paste.debian.net/902523/
[06:29:22] <jthornton> line 33
[06:29:48] <archivist> then look in mirror
[06:30:18] <linux_vampire> I see it say it allsady taken..
[06:30:27] <linux_vampire> but i want them to work in parallel..
[06:30:41] <Jymmm> jthornton: Can I at least get you to to keep a 5gal bucket or two full of (30 mesh) sand in your shop, especially since you have a wood stove? It's a great fire suppressant, especially for things like fireboxes, chimney fires, or smoldering things.
[06:30:45] <linux_vampire> so i can use them as slave
[06:31:10] <linux_vampire> already*
[06:31:15] <archivist> only ever need one pin in hal
[06:31:18] <jthornton> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/hal/basic-hal.html#_net
[06:31:33] <jthornton> please read this very short section
[06:32:40] * jthornton has an antique fire extinguisher in that shop
[06:33:31] <linux_vampire> "probe-in" is the signal name?
[06:33:37] <Jymmm> You can't really use any kind of fire extinguisher in a firebox
[06:33:50] <linux_vampire> and i need to keep it "probe-in"?
[06:34:28] <jthornton> did you read the section I linked?
[06:34:42] <linux_vampire> yes
[06:34:42] <Jymmm> water will flash over, dry chem not as effective as sand
[06:35:13] * jthornton throws a box of not safety matches at jymm
[06:36:09] <linux_vampire> i have no idea
[06:36:27] <jthornton> net signal-name
[06:36:55] <jthornton> A pin can be connected to a signal if it obeys the following rules:
[06:36:55] <jthornton> An IN pin can always be connected to a signal
[06:36:55] <jthornton> An IO pin can be connected unless there’s an OUT pin on the signal
[06:36:55] <jthornton> An OUT pin can be connected only if there are no other OUT or IO pins on the signal
[06:37:00] <jthornton> from the manual
[06:38:34] <linux_vampire> I need to identify the probe as inverted input and the touch plate as none inverted input, both of them need to connect to probe input/
[06:38:48] <Jymmm> jthornton: The bucket(s) of sand (and a soup can for scooping) are super cheap insurance if the need came up.
[06:39:25] <Jymmm> jthornton: It's saved my ass twice thus far.
[06:39:25] <linux_vampire> so it is not supported because I'm already use the probe signal in pin 10?
[06:39:53] <jthornton> you can use a signal as much as you want so long as it follows the rules
[06:40:31] <archivist> you can OR signals together as well
[06:40:59] <Jymmm> jthornton: and you can burn incense it it when you're feeling your hippie side =)
[06:41:30] <linux_vampire> so how It's get done?
[06:41:54] <XXCoder> OR logic means if either signals is TRUE result is TRUE or triggered
[06:42:01] <archivist> you decide depending on high/low/logic needed
[06:42:52] * Jymmm XOR's XXCoder
[06:42:59] <linux_vampire> just to be able to use the probe and the touch plate probe on pin 10 and the touch plate on pin 11
[06:43:22] <archivist> any inversions needed, and you can use negative logic so an OR becomes a negative AND
[06:44:12] <archivist> write a truth table
[06:45:25] <archivist> and most important are they connected at the same time or not
[06:46:09] <linux_vampire> I'm soooo lost right nowwwww
[06:49:00] <linux_vampire> the probe is normally close, and the touch plate is normally open, the probe get inverted in linux cnc, all i need is to connect the touch plate to the probe input signal
[06:53:33] <jthornton> you have a probe and a touch off plate and you want to connect them to motion.probe.input?
[06:54:50] <pink_vampire> correct
[06:55:08] <jthornton> or2
[06:55:37] <jthornton> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/man/man9/or2.9.html
[06:55:45] <pink_vampire> what do you mean by "or2"
[06:56:23] <jthornton> you want to connect probe or touch plate to probe input
[06:56:33] <jthornton> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/hal/basic-hal.html#_or2
[06:56:54] <jthornton> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/hal/basic-hal.html#_logic_examples
[06:59:29] <pink_vampire> i'm trying
[07:03:03] <pink_vampire> https://paste.debian.net/902529/
[07:03:17] <pink_vampire> like that?
[07:03:40] <pink_vampire> jthornton: ^
[07:04:30] <jthornton> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/hal/basic-hal.html#_addf
[07:04:37] <jthornton> almost read that
[07:08:29] <pink_vampire> lets see
[07:09:42] <XXCoder> clicksring review video is amazing
[07:09:49] <XXCoder> shows how much work he did to make one
[07:10:33] <jthornton> woopee jt logger is working
[07:11:33] <pink_vampire> so the addf need to be removed?
[07:11:46] <jthornton> log
[07:11:47] <jtlog> jthornton: Today's Log http://gnipsel.com/logs/#linuxcnc/2016-12-16.html
[07:11:48] <pink_vampire> it use only in case on servo?
[07:12:08] <pink_vampire> jthornton: ?
[07:12:10] <jthornton> you have to have addf function thread or it won't work
[07:12:29] <pink_vampire> i do have
[07:12:29] <jthornton> you don't addf a funtion to a signal
[07:12:49] <pink_vampire> i don't understand
[07:13:24] <jthornton> you have to add a function to a thread or nothing happens, look at the other addf lines in your hal
[07:14:03] <pink_vampire> lets see
[07:16:42] <pink_vampire> do i need to set a name to the addf?
[07:17:26] <jthornton> addf function-name thread
[07:18:20] <pink_vampire> it is something that i need to invent?
[07:18:32] <pink_vampire> like this one addf parport.0.read base-thread
[07:18:43] <pink_vampire> i'm so lost
[07:23:07] <pink_vampire> this way ?
[07:23:08] <pink_vampire> https://paste.debian.net/902534/
[07:23:57] <pink_vampire> jthornton:
[07:28:23] <jthornton> addf function-name thread not addf component-name pin
[07:28:32] <jthornton> addf or2.0 base-thread
[07:29:22] <pink_vampire> what is "base-thread"?
[07:29:54] <jthornton> usually you have a base-thread and a servo-thread, do you see them mentioned in your hal file?
[07:30:21] <jthornton> a thread is a running cycle for lack of better words
[07:30:54] <pink_vampire> ok....
[07:31:33] <jthornton> if a component uses floating point it must be added to the slower servo-thread which supports floating point math
[07:32:22] <pink_vampire> https://paste.debian.net/902538/
[07:32:25] <jthornton> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/man/man9/mux2.9.html
[07:32:43] <jthornton> see where the man page for mux2 says you need floating point
[07:33:00] <jthornton> yes
[07:33:17] <pink_vampire> but there is no floating point
[07:33:25] <pink_vampire> it's just on or off
[07:33:45] <jthornton> right so you can add or2 to the base-thread
[07:34:01] <jthornton> want more info?
[07:34:14] <pink_vampire> the base-thread is better?
[07:34:18] <jthornton> you can also name the or2 component like this
[07:34:40] <jthornton> loadrt or2 names=probein
[07:34:53] <jthornton> base-thread is faster not better
[07:35:15] <pink_vampire> net my-sigin1 or2.0.in0 <= parport.1.pin-10-in-not
[07:35:34] <pink_vampire> my-sigin1 is also just a name?
[07:36:13] <jthornton> my-sigin1 is the signal name
[07:36:24] <pink_vampire> too add everything to the end of the hal file or to split it?
[07:36:35] <pink_vampire> i see..
[07:37:16] <jthornton> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23637994/
[07:37:30] <jthornton> an example showing the threads
[07:38:14] <jthornton> the only thing that makes a difference is where the addf is, the functions are executed in the order of addf's
[07:38:41] <pink_vampire> so the probe is the last one?
[07:39:24] <jthornton> probably don't matter where you put it
[07:39:41] <jthornton> did you see the thread example?
[07:40:38] <pink_vampire> https://paste.debian.net/902539/
[07:41:22] <pink_vampire> i saw but it meaningless for me
[07:41:40] <pink_vampire> it's look like the terminal thing
[07:41:48] <jthornton> yep
[07:42:01] <archivist> dont use names ulsess you understand
[07:42:08] <archivist> unless
[07:43:27] <pink_vampire> but i have no idea what the terminal thing mean..
[07:44:10] <jthornton> it shows the names of the two threads
[07:44:40] <jthornton> and FP is floating point so see base-thread is no
[07:45:09] <linux_vampire> linux cnc don't like the new hal file http://paste.debian.net/902540/
[07:45:31] <archivist> you renamed i with names=
[07:45:37] <archivist> i=it
[07:45:44] <archivist> dont use names
[07:46:44] <linux_vampire> mmm let me see
[07:47:17] <archivist> jthornton, second person in a few days tricked by that names= option
[07:47:20] <pink_vampire> archivist: the original line was loadrt or2 count=1
[07:47:37] <archivist> that is ok
[07:47:48] <jthornton> loadrt or2 names=sillyname
[07:47:58] <jthornton> show function
[07:47:58] <jthornton> Exported Functions:
[07:47:58] <jthornton> Owner CodeAddr Arg FP Users Name
[07:47:58] <jthornton> 00004 f8bc5000 f8fcf0c8 NO 0 sillyname
[07:48:10] <jthornton> see the function name is now sillyname
[07:48:17] <archivist> they dont realise it renames the comp!
[07:48:42] <linux_vampire> I go looost
[07:48:43] <jthornton> I get that
[07:48:53] <archivist> doc error probably
[07:49:03] <jthornton> probably
[07:50:15] <archivist> the names= seems to add so little to the mix dunno how it got in
[07:51:32] <linux_vampire> http://paste.debian.net/902541/
[07:51:38] <linux_vampire> one more error..
[07:52:29] <archivist> so you read it, and think what did you do wrong
[07:54:21] <linux_vampire> I follow after the instructions of jthornton
[07:55:40] <jthornton> you have typo
[07:55:57] <jthornton> motion.probe-input IN BIT
[07:55:58] <jthornton> G38.x uses the value on this pin to determine when the probe has made contact. TRUE for probe contact closed (touching), FALSE for probe contact open.
[07:56:03] <jthornton> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/man/man9/motion.9.html
[07:57:18] <archivist> going to need AND I bet, needs a negative OR
[07:57:21] <qknight> anyone here using blender to create 3d parts for miling?
[07:58:01] <archivist> is blender to any scale, probably few to 0
[07:59:49] <qknight> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?GcodeGenerator <- just found this
[07:59:52] <qknight> looks very interesting
[07:59:59] <pink_vampire> qknight: see pm
[08:04:09] <linux_vampire> jthornton, here "net both-on motion.probe-input <= or2.0.out"?
[08:04:13] <linux_vampire> ??
[08:04:30] <jthornton> oh crap it's patchy freezing rain I better get to town and pick up my OSB for the day
[08:04:47] <jthornton> ??????
[08:05:24] * jthornton heads for the shower
[08:05:40] <linux_vampire> what do you mean by "in bit"?
[08:05:48] <linux_vampire> jthornton, ^
[08:05:55] <XXCoder> thinbk he left already
[08:06:10] <XXCoder> he has to do it before freezing rain makes road undrivable
[08:06:42] <linux_vampire> I can't find where is the typo.
[08:08:24] <XXCoder> unfortunately I dont know those so not much of help
[08:09:23] <linux_vampire> same problem here..
[08:14:58] <linux_vampire> I tried to change the line from net both-on motion.probe-input <= or2.0.out
[08:15:03] <linux_vampire> to net both-on motion.probe-input IN BIT <= or2.0.out
[08:15:16] <linux_vampire> but I got an error
[08:16:09] <linux_vampire> ./my-mill.hal:31: Pin 'IN' does not exist'
[08:16:20] <qknight> hm. that last video didn't help much
[08:16:33] <pcw_home> IN and BIT dont belong there
[08:16:36] <qknight> still, anyone using blender for creating 3d surfaces which are then milled with linux CNC?
[08:16:46] <XXCoder> not me
[08:17:11] <pcw_home> those are just the pin type descriptions in the manual
[08:17:35] <linux_vampire> with out it I'm getting an error
[08:17:58] <pcw_home> with, you will always get an error
[08:19:13] <pcw_home> what is the error with IN and BIT removed?
[08:20:49] <linux_vampire> i jest re type it
[08:20:55] <linux_vampire> ant it work
[08:21:09] <XXCoder> you probably removed a typo, whatever it was
[08:21:39] <linux_vampire> i did control z to see what was wrong, and i can't see anything wrong
[08:23:35] <linux_vampire> it also show in the hal meter!
[08:23:38] <linux_vampire> CUTEEE
[08:33:01] <linux_vampire> the touch plate have some ground issue
[08:33:22] <linux_vampire> I need to fine a better solution
[08:34:03] <XXCoder> maybe some NO button system
[09:19:53] <blib> anyone runs their cnc in their kitchen here? I've a 14-30R which I want to plugin my cnc - anyone knows how to use this?
[09:20:49] <gregcnc> http://www.generatorsforhomeuse.us/connect-generator-to-home/
[09:22:09] <archivist> I see no relation between cnc in the kitchen to 14-30R
[09:22:39] <archivist> I have got two cnc's in the kitchen though :)
[09:22:59] <gregcnc> 14-30R is a common outlet in kitchens in the US
[09:25:55] <archivist> we use wired for the cooker and standard UK 13A sockets
[09:42:57] <blib> gregcnc: is there a 4-prong to 3-prong converter that can support 30A?
[09:45:04] <cradek> RV supply places have all variety of things like that
[09:45:20] <blib> cradek: do you have a amazon link for me?
[09:45:24] <cradek> no
[09:45:43] <cradek> keep in mind it's better to fix your stuff to use the right plugs
[09:46:22] <gregcnc> just install the 14-30P on your machine and wire what you need
[09:46:25] <blib> I ordered a X6-2200 - do you know what kind of power plug these come with?
[09:47:45] <gregcnc> no idea
[09:49:09] <archivist> why are you not asking your supplier
[09:51:32] <blib> archivist: https://www.omiocnc.com/products/x6-2200.html
[09:51:49] <blib> Its arriving today - I'll just wait , and then goto a hardware store
[10:03:01] * JT-Shop2 got the OSB inside now off to the industrial park for a small job
[10:17:55] <pink_vampire> blib:
[10:18:39] <pink_vampire> it's one of the best engravers
[10:48:48] <blib> pink_vampire: do you own one?
[10:49:03] <blib> pink_vampire: I am hoping to cut some alum with it
[10:49:06] <pink_vampire> no, but i saw how it cut
[10:49:29] <pink_vampire> it will cut ok
[10:59:37] <blib> pink_vampire: lets hope so. I've one month for testing it
[11:01:52] <pink_vampire> blib: what do you want to make with it?
[11:06:56] <blib> pink_vampire: I need to cut some 5mm alum profiles. And some simple shapes for a mechanical robot I am working on
[11:07:08] <blib> The shapes will typically be very simple
[11:07:28] <pink_vampire> how thick?
[11:14:18] <pink_vampire> blib: ^
[11:17:48] <blib> pink_vampire: 20mm or so, then carve out things from it
[11:18:22] <pink_vampire> 20mm it's very thick.. i think you need a mill for that
[11:21:53] <pink_vampire> blib:
[11:27:55] <Jymmm> Anyone in need of a DIP SSR capable of 0.9A@240VAC ?
[11:28:54] <pink_vampire> why are you asking?
[11:31:06] <Jymmm> pink_vampire: Why are you asking why I'm asking?
[11:31:33] <pink_vampire> curiosity ....
[11:31:49] <CaptHindsight> why are they asking you?
[11:32:18] <gregcnc> what's with all the asking can't we all just give answers?
[11:32:27] <CaptHindsight> yes
[11:32:46] <gregcnc> see perfect
[11:32:47] <Jymmm> gregcnc: Well, put up the answers already !
[11:32:51] <CaptHindsight> I don't want to know, just asking
[11:34:29] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Great! We weren't gonna tell you anyway
[11:35:10] <FAalbers> That's quite a collection on his wall ! https://youtu.be/3NaFcKtNzK0
[11:35:40] <FAalbers> Oops ! Wrong channel !
[11:35:55] <gregcnc> still impressive
[11:36:17] <CaptHindsight> don't ask what he used for glue
[11:36:35] <gregcnc> proof that RC is an addiction to many
[11:36:58] <CaptHindsight> how quaint, it's drones now
[11:37:48] <gregcnc> ready fo snow?
[11:37:51] <CaptHindsight> any RC flying thingy
[11:38:18] <gregcnc> i was a dealer for a while, some guy just needed their RC fix
[11:38:46] <gregcnc> sometimes they were like well my food stamps come in next week so i'll call back then
[11:42:57] <CaptHindsight> was looking forward to several inches of snow
[11:43:11] <gregcnc> did they cancel it?
[11:43:16] <CaptHindsight> looks like it's only going to be 6-10"
[11:43:25] <pink_vampire> how do i calculate a Z axis brake?
[11:44:35] <pink_vampire> i know the torque of the motor for move it up and down
[11:44:39] <CaptHindsight> they canceled most of it last year
[11:46:26] <CaptHindsight> if a commercial front load washer says it's rated for 70lbs, how much can you really stuff in it? ~150lbs?
[11:46:58] <CaptHindsight> the water has to weight as much
[11:47:05] <gregcnc> just how much money do you have to launder?
[11:47:41] <CaptHindsight> ~200lbs
[11:48:04] <CaptHindsight> or 6 baskets
[11:48:06] <gregcnc> I think wet clothing is several times dry weight
[11:48:31] <MacGalempsy_> usually one goes by "can you get the door shut?"
[11:48:41] <gregcnc> right I figure you can only fit some much
[11:48:47] <gregcnc> so much
[11:49:12] <CaptHindsight> folded or just tossed in?
[11:49:13] <MacGalempsy_> remember, 70lbs + the wieght of the water
[11:49:50] <gregcnc> folded could be interesting
[11:50:09] <ToddZ> Stuff usually needs a little room to flop arround a bit or it doesn't dry.
[11:50:30] <CaptHindsight> pre-folded for the drier would save time at the end
[11:51:23] <CaptHindsight> do they have heatless driers? tumbled with desiccant
[11:51:45] <gregcnc> i'd prefer vacuum
[11:51:46] <roycroft> if you stuff the washer too full the clothes won't get clean
[11:51:46] <ToddZ> who wants pre-folded I want it to come out that way.
[11:52:03] <CaptHindsight> how about sponges?
[11:52:13] <gregcnc> https://youtu.be/1TqBSI8ZBzQ
[11:52:18] <CaptHindsight> how do you wash a sponge anyway?
[11:52:31] <gregcnc> do they ever really get dirty?
[11:52:39] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: in the dishwasher
[11:52:45] <roycroft> they are the biggest source of bacteria in your house
[11:52:47] <gregcnc> yeah here too
[11:53:47] <CaptHindsight> I guess a copper sponge wouldn't have that problem
[11:54:06] <CaptHindsight> but who sells copper sponges?
[11:54:22] <gregcnc> ask the crack heads
[11:54:36] <CaptHindsight> is that a music group?
[11:55:33] <CaptHindsight> one of the fans near me in a pc is starting to make squeeking sounds
[11:55:34] <Jymmm> gregcnc: Is that cradek's new nickname?
[11:55:46] <CaptHindsight> whats the best way to find and quiet it?
[11:55:53] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: toss the pc into the dishwasher
[11:56:08] <jdh> stick a screwdriver in each fan
[11:56:13] <Jymmm> LICK IT
[11:56:56] <gregcnc> agreed dishwasher, it's probably filthy with virus and bacteria
[11:56:58] <CaptHindsight> i thought that bricks are only for the dryer
[11:57:23] <jdh> microwave then dishwasher
[11:57:36] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: and anniversary gifts once painted
[11:58:09] <MacGalempsy_> I remember being on a field trip to the carribean and the instructor grabbed a loofa sponge that was all dried out on the beach. He explained to the group how it was used by some for bathing. This one girl (who had a MS in Geo) goes how could someone use that to bath? Its soo hard.
[11:58:10] <Jymmm> jdh: I thought the microwaves was for drying, you lnow, like poodles
[11:58:28] <jdh> and iphones
[11:58:33] <ToddZ> boy, especially helpful today aren't we
[11:58:47] <CaptHindsight> everyones in a good mood
[11:59:17] <blib> I need 70 feet of t-slot (preferably 2"x2") where is a good place to buy it from? (In US)
[11:59:18] <Jymmm> Yeah, it finally stopped raining.
[11:59:40] <CaptHindsight> blib: 8020
[12:00:03] <blib> CaptHindsight: the website?
[12:00:03] <CaptHindsight> only it will come in shorter lengths
[12:00:17] <blib> It looks like the pricing is around $600! I need it for a table
[12:00:19] <Jymmm> 8020.net
[12:00:21] <CaptHindsight> if you need 70' continuous you'll need to weld
[12:00:34] <blib> no I need small pieces, 5 feet max
[12:00:37] <MacGalempsy_> Wolf_: are you around?
[12:01:11] <blib> also, they won't sort on price - so that I can find a cheaper t-slot
[12:01:20] <blib> I'd prefer a 40-series
[12:01:28] <CaptHindsight> do they let you test at the appliance stores?
[12:02:00] <CaptHindsight> blib: what part o' the US?
[12:02:05] <blib> Floida
[12:02:20] <blib> FL
[12:02:52] <MacGalempsy_> blib: did you try mitsumi?
[12:02:58] <MacGalempsy_> or just 8020?:
[12:03:10] <CaptHindsight> going to find out what 71lbs of towels are going to do to the machine
[12:05:03] <gregcnc> isn't this what friday is for?
[12:05:18] <pink_vampire> blib: i got my 8020 from fastenal
[12:05:45] <MacGalempsy_> blib: if you want them precut, try their website
[12:05:51] <gregcnc> snow just started here
[12:08:29] <MacGalempsy_> lucky
[12:09:16] <gregcnc> they say -20°F sunday night
[12:09:44] <blib> pink_vampire: which one did you get?
[12:09:59] <pink_vampire> let me see
[12:10:00] <blib> MacGalempsy_: I just tried 80/20, will look at mitsumi now
[12:11:05] <MacGalempsy_> 8020 always seems to be the same price. the fasteners are the $$$ part.
[12:11:09] <pink_vampire> blib: http://i.imgur.com/sq3g4Yh.png
[12:11:35] <pink_vampire> blib: do you want the exact model?
[12:12:02] <blib> so you got a one-side slot?
[12:12:10] <pink_vampire> correct
[12:12:22] <blib> https://www.fastenal.com/products?term=t-slot&searchMode=productSearch - can't find it here
[12:12:39] <blib> MacGalempsy_: Frome what I understand 80/20s alum alloy is slightly stronger than mitsumi's?
[12:13:15] <MacGalempsy_> no idea
[12:13:42] <gregcnc> direct? http://stores.ebay.com/8020-Inc-Garage-Sale/40-Series-/_i.html?
[12:13:45] <pink_vampire> I think it was that one
[12:13:48] <MacGalempsy_> does anyone know if -- git checkout 2.7 is still the most up to date
[12:13:58] <pink_vampire> but let me see on my records
[12:14:57] * JT-Shop just got a PO for a small machine YIPPIE a paying job
[12:15:27] <JT-Shop> MacGalempsy_: yes 2.7 is the latest stable versio
[12:15:28] <JT-Shop> n
[12:15:50] <pink_vampire> it was 1050
[12:15:53] <MacGalempsy_> JT-Shop: congrats on the order
[12:16:01] <JT-Shop> thanks
[12:16:18] <pink_vampire> so the link i sent to you is the correct one
[12:16:30] <MacGalempsy_> JT-Shop: I got to the end of the list dpkg-checkbuilddeps and it errored
[12:16:44] <pink_vampire> https://www.fastenal.com/products/details/0961265?term=t-slot&sortby=wholesaleprice&sortdir=ascending&r=~|categoryl1:%22600930%20Raw%20Materials%22|~%20~|categoryl2:%22602694%20Extruded%20T-Slot%20Bars%209and%20Accessories%22|~%20~|categoryl3:%22602693%20Extruded%20T-Slot%20Bars%22|~
[12:16:59] <pink_vampire> blib: ^
[12:18:22] <MacGalempsy_> this is the method https://forum.linuxcnc.org/18-computer/31158-linux-mint-17-3-64-bit-uspace-preempt-rt?start=10#76681
[12:18:29] <MacGalempsy_> it made it all the way to the end
[12:19:48] <JT-Shop> I've not got 64bit to build a kernel yet, have to revisit it
[12:19:51] <MacGalempsy_> but the last one said debian/control not found
[12:20:11] <JT-Shop> were you in the right directory
[12:20:44] <JT-Shop> did you do this git clone git://git.linuxcnc.org/git/linuxcnc.git linuxcnc-dev
[12:21:11] <JT-Shop> hmm I see he has a cd linuxcnc-dev
[12:23:03] <JT-Shop> my notes say
[12:23:03] <MacGalempsy_> im in that folder
[12:23:04] <JT-Shop> git checkout -b 2.7 origin/2.7
[12:23:05] <JT-Shop> debian/configure -r ; debuild -uc -us
[12:23:53] <MacGalempsy_> is that all one line?
[12:25:20] <JT-Shop2> no
[12:25:40] <blib> pink_vampire: thanks. I'm guessing if I want 4-sided, I'll have to pay
[12:25:54] <blib> pink_vampire: how did you bring it home? get it cut?
[12:26:09] <IchGucksLive> hi
[12:26:24] <IchGucksLive> blib: did you find a good mashine
[12:26:53] <blib> IchGucksLive: I got a x6-2200
[12:26:54] <pink_vampire> the lady over there cut it for me to 3 sections
[12:27:13] <IchGucksLive> cool maschine
[12:27:17] <pink_vampire> i need some help with physics
[12:27:33] <IchGucksLive> pink_vampire: ask a teatcher
[12:27:47] <IchGucksLive> elementary school prefared ;-)
[12:28:13] <pink_vampire> but it's a cnc related ..
[12:28:28] <IchGucksLive> ok
[12:28:31] <IchGucksLive> ask
[12:28:46] <IchGucksLive> there is a Xmas party outside the window
[12:28:52] <IchGucksLive> and i smell steaks
[12:29:07] <pink_vampire> how do i calculate what brake I need for my Z axis?
[12:29:16] <IchGucksLive> and i also want to make a new Vid
[12:29:43] <IchGucksLive> is it a Servo driven
[12:30:02] <pink_vampire> I know the torque for moving it up and the torque for moving it down
[12:30:07] <IchGucksLive> is there a Gear involved
[12:30:21] <pink_vampire> direct drive dc servo
[12:30:53] <IchGucksLive> so what break are you thinking of
[12:30:56] <IchGucksLive> magnetic
[12:31:08] <pink_vampire> go down: 1.24 N.m | go up 4.95 N.m
[12:31:38] <pink_vampire> I mean to calculate the holding torque of the brake
[12:31:57] <IchGucksLive> 25% more thne down
[12:32:25] <pink_vampire> why 25%?
[12:32:32] <IchGucksLive> it wont mve against gravety
[12:33:17] <IchGucksLive> and if your chipforce stands against doen torque so thats enove
[12:33:21] <blib> pink_vampire: how did you bring home the 12 feet metal? cutting?
[12:34:07] <pink_vampire> blib: [12:57:09] <pink_vampire> the lady over there cut it for me to 3 sections
[12:34:47] <pink_vampire> but how did you got the 25%?
[12:35:10] <IchGucksLive> why less why more
[12:35:53] <IchGucksLive> less means eqal to to low
[12:36:07] <pink_vampire> I looking for a formula
[12:36:10] <IchGucksLive> more seams to be not nessesary as low holds
[12:37:27] <IchGucksLive> http://www.schweizer-fn.de/maschinenelemente/schraube/schraubenverbindung.php#klemmkraft_axialkraft
[12:37:28] <MacGalempsy_> there are probably only so many with the same size shaft as your motor
[12:38:33] <blib> pink_vampire: why is it so expensive - to build a table, just material is $250 for this
[12:38:35] <pink_vampire> my German is..
[12:39:05] <MacGalempsy_> blib: just go have one welded together from steel. there is a place around here that does a great one for like $150
[12:39:38] <pink_vampire> you can do a mini pallet
[12:40:36] <blib> MacGalempsy_: I was thinking of buying L steel slots and then drilling holes and fastening them together
[12:40:44] <blib> MacGalempsy_: why are t-slots so expensive! ?
[12:40:53] <MacGalempsy_> specialty
[12:41:30] <MacGalempsy_> i got some rexroth 45x90 series for a good price, each peice is 625mm long. the damn fasteners cost almost the same amount
[12:46:33] <pink_vampire> blib: why are you need the t-slot rails?
[12:47:17] <IchGucksLive> blib: if you build your own go for hwin if alu milling is needed
[12:50:59] <blib> IchGucksLive: link please
[12:51:04] <roycroft> without getting into the stepper vs. servo religious war, does a so-called "hybrid stepper" motor with a dual ended shaft and encoder built onto the end of the motor 1. ameliorate or eliminate the problems with missed steps, and 2. is this even something that linuxcnc would know about or care about, if so does linuxcnc support it, or is it something that the motor controller manages?
[12:51:25] <IchGucksLive> blib: hit my nick
[12:52:49] <IchGucksLive> blib: are you in germany
[12:52:57] <blib> no usa
[12:53:18] <blib> pink_vampire: I don't need t-slot, just something to make a good table for alum cutting on the new machine
[12:53:27] <blib> preferably good level+vibration-less
[12:54:02] <pink_vampire> but the machine already have t-slots
[12:54:17] <MacGalempsy_> gregcnc: any thoughts? http://fayar.craigslist.org/tls/5907895433.html
[12:54:24] <MacGalempsy_> over priced?
[12:55:15] <roycroft> that's too much for a 10x24
[12:55:21] <roycroft> you can buy a brand new one for $1500
[12:55:30] <MacGalempsy_> i was thinking more like $700
[12:55:38] <pink_vampire> just get a sheet of mdf as sucrafichial board and mount it to the machine, and the aluminum plate to that board and you are good to go.
[12:55:49] <MacGalempsy_> its tough to find used metal lathes around here
[12:56:04] <pink_vampire> blib: ^^
[12:56:04] <roycroft> same here, and they're all overpriced
[12:56:10] <roycroft> they're generally priced like new
[12:57:28] <MacGalempsy_> i get a kick out of the guys south of here. there was like a 1880s lathe and it had belts EVERYWHERE. they were trying to get $2500
[12:57:34] <IchGucksLive> Deejay: ?
[12:58:13] <roycroft> it's antiquey
[12:58:27] <roycroft> you can steampunk your shop with it
[12:59:04] <IchGucksLive> Oh the THC today caught fire
[12:59:17] <IchGucksLive> but still working
[12:59:39] <IchGucksLive> seams he dont like 24V
[12:59:50] <roycroft> http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/tls/5902560325.html
[12:59:52] <pink_vampire> http://nwct.craigslist.org/bfs/5920138796.html
[12:59:55] <MacGalempsy_> THC? are you smoking?
[13:00:13] <IchGucksLive> Plasma Tourch height control
[13:00:43] <MacGalempsy_> pink_vampire: sell something and just buy htat
[13:00:49] <IchGucksLive> its mounted to near to the plasma power source at 2k Volts 125A
[13:01:23] <pink_vampire> mmm
[13:01:24] <MacGalempsy_> http://oklahomacity.craigslist.org/tls/5885721348.html
[13:01:30] <MacGalempsy_> i like that one, but its 3ph
[13:02:03] <MacGalempsy_> that turret would help kill setup times
[13:02:47] <pink_vampire> http://hudsonvalley.craigslist.org/tls/5909165567.html
[13:03:13] <kb8wmc> IchGucksLive: I am getting an error while trying to run dxf2gcode...The error states that ".....dxf2gcode.py : not found"...it complains of error code "exited with code 127"...It will run from terminal okay...All paths look okay...
[13:03:19] <pink_vampire> how is igaging?
[13:03:44] <IchGucksLive> kb8wmc: did you give it the full path
[13:03:52] <kb8wmc> yes I did
[13:04:10] <IchGucksLive> then you need the symlink
[13:04:17] <roycroft> 3 phase is no big deal
[13:04:30] <roycroft> you can get a vfd for it even, and have finer granularity speed control
[13:04:33] <kb8wmc> rgr
[13:04:35] <roycroft> that's a small lathe
[13:04:40] <MacGalempsy_> budget mate, budget!
[13:04:46] <MacGalempsy_> http://oklahomacity.craigslist.org/hvo/5869067130.html
[13:04:51] <MacGalempsy_> is this one better?
[13:05:00] <MacGalempsy_> big enough for you?
[13:05:19] <roycroft> a small vfd is only about $150
[13:05:44] <roycroft> double that price if you want one that can take a braking resistor
[13:05:45] <MacGalempsy_> would really like to find someone who would like to trade this drill press I have for a lathe
[13:06:13] <jdh> I will trade you my drill press for a lathe
[13:06:25] <MacGalempsy_> jdh: opposite
[13:07:30] <jdh> I do have a lathe I would trade. https://goo.gl/photos/imWakyVAkHBydP36A
[13:07:56] <MacGalempsy_> i should take it down to the pawn shop and see what they will give me. I only paid $250
[13:08:46] <MacGalempsy_> damn thing weighs 500lbs
[13:12:39] <Jymmm> jdh: That's kinda cute. Is it tight or sloppy?
[13:13:10] <roycroft> that's a rather personal question, don't you think?
[13:13:14] <jdh> you shouldn't talk about her that way
[13:13:26] <MacGalempsy_> lol. was waiting for that
[13:13:39] <roycroft> it was a setup
[13:14:08] <MacGalempsy_> Jymmm: is the channel overlord, I wouldnt put anything past him
[13:14:44] <MacGalempsy_> http://dallas.craigslist.org/ndf/tls/5907768873.html
[13:14:53] <jdh> I only tried it a few times. dont really remembef
[13:14:55] <Jymmm> How friendly it is is not my concern.
[13:15:41] <Jymmm> I didnt ask if I could bounce a quarter off it's backside
[13:15:55] <MacGalempsy_> i guess after xmas I will sell the dirtbikes and get a lathe
[13:17:10] <IchGucksLive> more fun on dirtbikes
[13:17:26] <IchGucksLive> but more money on lathe
[13:20:18] <MacGalempsy_> IchGucksLive: lathe with thread cutting would be best
[13:20:31] <MacGalempsy_> manual turret
[13:20:39] <MacGalempsy_> 5c
[13:20:40] <IchGucksLive> sync motion is always a good thing
[13:20:46] <MacGalempsy_> anything else while Im wishing?
[13:23:06] <jdh> live tooling
[13:23:18] <MacGalempsy_> on a manual machine? lol
[13:26:12] <MacGalempsy_> http://kansascity.craigslist.org/for/5903945542.html
[13:26:44] <MacGalempsy_> that one is perfect
[13:27:17] <gregcnc> are you making many of the same part?
[13:27:54] <MacGalempsy_> gregcnc: yeah. I got the whole thing drawn up in fusion360. and need to put inside and outside threads on a pipe
[13:28:07] <MacGalempsy_> the caps can be made on the cnc
[13:28:24] <MacGalempsy_> but there are some threading on them, too
[13:28:46] <Wolf_> MacGalempsy_: yo
[13:29:04] <pink_vampire> wtf http://southjersey.craigslist.org/mat/5910554902.html
[13:29:09] <MacGalempsy_> Wolf_: linuxmint upgrade has been a battle!
[13:29:44] <MacGalempsy_> that get tl-25 doesnt have threading, but perhaps it can be done with a tap and die on the turret
[13:29:52] <Wolf_> yeah pink_vampire, them things go for $$$
[13:30:20] <gregcnc> die head for OD threads
[13:30:48] <MacGalempsy_> OD is 1"-14
[13:31:12] <Wolf_> thats small
[13:31:17] <gregcnc> that may not be the right machine
[13:31:40] <MacGalempsy_> ill take a screenshot of the model
[13:32:02] <Wolf_> threading on pipe? npt?
[13:33:22] <MacGalempsy_> not npt
[13:35:14] <MacGalempsy_> https://flic.kr/p/QdDBe3
[13:35:47] <MacGalempsy_> pretty basic design. the pipes have some soldered pieces to limit the sliding
[13:35:50] <gregcnc> actual od of tube?
[13:35:53] <MacGalempsy_> 1"
[13:36:07] <MacGalempsy_> the small tube is .75"
[13:36:28] <gregcnc> 1.000" or pipe tolerances?
[13:36:46] <MacGalempsy_> 1.000 and ID on that tube is .087
[13:36:51] <MacGalempsy_> 00ps.870
[13:37:15] <gregcnc> 5C should clear it then
[13:37:18] <MacGalempsy_> I can get the pipes I need cut to length for $3 each
[13:37:37] <MacGalempsy_> I just need to solder on the limits and the material for the inside threads
[13:39:03] <gregcnc> but if you're looking for a lathe don't limit yourself to a collet lathe
[13:39:29] <MacGalempsy_> collet came to mind so I could flip easily
[13:44:50] <gregcnc> for tiny parts yes, but for a 8" pipe? chuck vs collet no difference to me
[13:45:12] <SpeedEvil> http://imgur.com/gallery/GQ5Am - be careful out there.
[13:46:23] <gregcnc> i'd be done for the day
[13:47:31] <MacGalempsy_> thats freeky
[13:47:47] <MacGalempsy_> SpeedEvil: did you smoke and drink coffee after that?
[13:48:37] <SpeedEvil> Wasn't me.
[13:48:42] <gregcnc> must resist urge to imgur and get back to lathing...safely
[13:48:46] <SpeedEvil> Sorry
[14:16:16] <MacGalempsy_> hey andypugh
[14:16:32] <MacGalempsy_> sitting in the freezer today?
[14:16:34] <andypugh> Hi
[14:19:23] <andypugh> This morning, yes, but the freezers are now off until the nw year.
[14:32:59] <JT-Shop2> some weird weather here next two days a 40F temperature swing in 24hrs
[14:34:21] <Wolf_> same here, 23f out right now, calling for 43f tomorrow with snow/mix crap overnight
[14:34:50] <Wolf_> and 53f by sunday
[14:35:56] <MacGalempsy_> JT-Shop: what kind of small machine are you going to be building for that contract you mentioned?
[14:40:15] <JT-Shop2> a testing machine for a pole saw cover, if it passes all the tests it will clip off a runner
[14:40:36] <JT-Shop2> the covers are assembled by hand so they make mistakes...
[14:41:14] <MacGalempsy_> sounds like a cool project. do they hand you schematics and you build, or do you have to start from ground zero?
[14:43:12] <JT-Shop2> they say this is the problem, you come up with a solution
[14:43:21] <JT-Shop2> kinda fun
[14:53:20] <andypugh> I used to work for a company that did that. It was quite good fun, indeed.
[14:53:23] <MacGalempsy_> sounds like a lot of billable hours
[14:53:39] <MacGalempsy_> yay. just got lcnc going on linuxmint!
[14:53:53] <JT-Shop2> sweet
[14:54:03] <JT-Shop2> it's a quoted job
[14:54:21] <JT-Shop2> 64bit?
[14:54:28] <andypugh> We were slightly bigger, but played on being much smaller than the companies we worked for. We had 3 mechanical engineers on one desk, two electricals on a second desk and three software guys on a third, then a machine shop and 2 wiremen out the back.
[14:55:12] <andypugh> So if we wanted to change a spec or component we just needed to shour across the room, not organise a meeting..
[14:55:38] <andypugh> ( I was one of the mechanical designers)
[14:58:18] <Wolf_> I got my system up last night as well, 64 bit lcnc build
[14:58:21] <JT-Shop2> cool
[14:58:51] <Tom_itx> what's up?
[14:59:26] <MacGalempsy_> Wolf_: after the reboot, how do you start linuxcnc again? lol
[14:59:32] <Wolf_> now I need to wipe it and do it again :D
[14:59:36] <Tom_itx> briggs makes pole saws?
[14:59:49] <Wolf_> huh, I just use the menu…
[15:01:02] <MacGalempsy_> must have missed something becasue I dont see th emenut
[15:01:30] <Wolf_> you didn’t make install-menus
[15:01:34] <MacGalempsy_> yeah
[15:02:17] <Wolf_> you can just open it on CLI then tell Lcnc to make a desktop link (I think)
[15:05:26] <JT-Shop2> Tom_itx: no, I'm doing work for an injection molding company
[15:05:45] <JT-Shop2> I just have one last tid bit and the logger will be ready to try
[15:07:36] <Frank_6> hello everyone, i cant decide whether i should use angular contact bearings or if deep groove ball bearings (double row each one) are going to be enough, here's a pic of my cad design for my belt reduction. the bearings need to hold the moment load of the timing belt and the pinion that engages the rack, the top picture is an example of a presumably working belt reduction which uses deep groove ball bearings on
[15:07:36] <Frank_6> the aluminum plates. im asking because i lack experience on the subject.
[15:07:58] <Frank_6> http://imgur.com/a/th2ZH
[15:09:20] <MacGalempsy_> hmm, even though I did the install-menus, it did not make them to the menu
[15:09:58] <Wolf_> works on my machine ™
[15:10:16] <Wolf_> tho the menu is just labeled “CNC”
[15:10:46] <Roguish> angular contacts on the screw shaft. else where does not matter as much.
[15:11:20] <Roguish> oh, wait. it's a rack and piniion. no screw. sorry.
[15:11:36] <Wolf_> Roguish, this not a screw shaft, rack and pinion drive with a spring to give load on the pinion to rack engagement.
[15:11:43] <Frank_6> hehe yeah, i already have some angular block bearings for the ballscrew
[15:12:00] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop2 holler when you're ready
[15:12:02] <Frank_6> dindindin we have a winner
[15:12:06] <Wolf_> I would think deep grove should be fine, not a heavy load
[15:12:09] <pink_vampire> it there a way to make the gcode asking for input parameter?
[15:12:19] <Roguish> where are the bearings? in the round blue thing?
[15:12:23] <Frank_6> yes sir
[15:13:25] <Roguish> best if you can support the pinion shaft in 2 locations to react the moment.
[15:13:40] <Frank_6> it would be much better if the bearings would have some distance between them, but how could i machine from both sides and keep the part concentric when you rotate the piece on a lathe chuck? ( to have a shoulder on each bearing)
[15:13:42] <Roguish> can you make the blue thing deeper and put in 2 bearings?
[15:13:51] <Frank_6> exactly
[15:14:27] <Wolf_> but, the top pic has the timing pully in double shear
[15:14:42] <pink_vampire> it there a way to make the gcode asking for input parameter? so instead of set a fix parameter like 1000 (rpm), it will give me a place to type something and then it will continue to the next line.
[15:14:48] <Roguish> bore from 1 side and put a spacer between. get clever.
[15:14:58] <Frank_6> yes without even a shoulder on the aluminum plates
[15:15:46] <Wolf_> Frank_6: its using a bearing with snap ring flange
[15:16:15] <Roguish> Wolf_ can you show a section?
[15:16:31] <Wolf_> no, I’m just going off the photo lol
[15:17:05] <Roguish> bearing should be at least a shaft diameter apart.
[15:17:39] <CaptHindsight> 127lbs and no problems in the machine
[15:17:42] <Frank_6> will try to separate the bearings with a spacer on the cad and try to see if it makes sense and if it keeps the bearings fixed in one place
[15:18:09] <Frank_6> havent seen that arrangement around, and i've been looking a lot
[15:18:21] <Roguish> good luck. lots easier to prototype in cad than in metal.
[15:18:52] <Wolf_> any reason you aren’t copying the one in the photo?
[15:18:53] <Frank_6> angular contact bearings can accomodate more moment load but at x2.5 the price
[15:19:21] <Frank_6> actually im copying another one
[15:19:40] <Frank_6> using trailer bearings; but it sounded overkill to me. give me a sec ill show u
[15:20:06] <Frank_6> http://imgur.com/a/th2ZH
[15:20:08] <Frank_6> refresh page
[15:20:11] * Wolf_ likes simple
[15:20:19] <pink_vampire> Frank_6: what are you trying to do?
[15:20:42] <MacGalempsy_> well the latency-test is going right now. 2x glxgears and 4k HD fireplace.
[15:22:11] <Frank_6> pink_vampire: its a belt reduction with a pinion spring loaded to a rack
[15:22:19] <CaptHindsight> now open firefox and play some flash
[15:22:35] <Wolf_> plasma or router build Frank_6?
[15:22:45] <andypugh> Frank_6: That’s a perfectly good design, if you put a spacer between the inner races
[15:22:45] <Frank_6> router
[15:22:46] <pink_vampire> Frank_6: why not to go direct drive?
[15:23:00] <pink_vampire> why you need the spring?
[15:23:11] <Frank_6> because with a 30 tooth pinion i have 45mm per revolution
[15:23:42] <MacGalempsy_> the j1900N is alread at 50000ns
[15:23:47] <Frank_6> i probably wont need it because the rack will be indicated to the linear guides, but its known to work to remove backlash
[15:23:51] <MacGalempsy_> guess something else needs to be turned off
[15:24:24] <pcw_mesa> 50000 is fine if you are not generating step/dir in software
[15:24:26] <andypugh> Frank_6: It wouldn’t hurt to make the gap between the bearings bigger. And a hole that needs to be bored from both sides like that isn’t the most convenient thing to make.
[15:24:28] <Frank_6> andypugh: thanks for chiming in, you think that with deep groove ball bearings im good? im still going to make the bearing cage able to fit the angular contact bearings just in case something beaks
[15:24:30] <CaptHindsight> kill all power management and virtualization
[15:24:31] <Frank_6> breaks*
[15:25:11] <MacGalempsy_> pcw_mesa: did you see the dmesg I posted last night? http://pastebin.com/RVmzrDvt
[15:25:18] <andypugh> AC bearings preloaded by the castellated nuts would have more axial stiffness, but you don;t need that.
[15:26:00] <MacGalempsy_> not sure what the issue was. I just loaded linuxmint and got lcnc going. havent had the chance to hook the computer back up to the machine for testing, yet
[15:26:04] <Frank_6> exactly, im checking that part mostly because i send the job to a shop, using a spacer or the shaft to separate the bearings was one of my ideas
[15:26:15] <Wolf_> pcw_mesa: any suggestion on what RT kernel to go with for the J1900 + Mint build, or does it not matter?
[15:27:32] <andypugh> Frank_6: A shop won’t patricularly like that two-sided bore. You could just use a snap-ring (and maybe a spacer) between the bearings and that would be much easier to machine.
[15:28:13] <pcw_mesa> Dont know off hand I like the 4.1 kernel for general use (work well on older and newer hardware)
[15:28:14] <pcw_mesa> but you may need newer for very new hardware
[15:29:31] <andypugh> Frank_6: I think I would be trying to steal some axial space from the pulley boss and move the oil seal further down, to maximise the bearing span
[15:29:33] <Frank_6> awesome, thanks everyone, will get back to fusion!
[15:29:35] <Wolf_> I did my first try with 4.8.14, seems to work, jitter is around 92k ns but that doesn’t matter for mesa right?
[15:30:11] <pink_vampire> Frank_6: for 200 steps / rev you are going to get 0.22mm per step
[15:30:28] <pcw_mesa> MacGalempsy_: that could be a legitimate error if you dont have any encoders in the config
[15:30:29] <pink_vampire> for a plasma it's not bad
[15:30:50] <MacGalempsy_> strange because I had been using that file all along
[15:31:08] <MacGalempsy_> and it just stopped working. however, let me retest and see what the results are
[15:32:16] <pink_vampire> Frank_6: for more resolution you can go with micro steps / half steps
[15:32:32] <Frank_6> andypugh: i think you are looking at the top picture, thats from where i getting some ideas, but mine desing is the 3rd picture, with the servo and black pulleys
[15:33:13] <andypugh> Ah, OK
[15:34:03] <Frank_6> pink_vampire: im running with servos, and it would be a waste of power if i didnt gear down the motor, at 900rpm i would be at 1500ipm
[15:34:08] <Frank_6> not good for a router
[15:34:17] <andypugh> Hmm, the base plate _looks_ a bit thin. I am going only on engineering aesthetics. It might be fine.
[15:34:33] <Frank_6> its steel 1/4thick
[15:35:26] <andypugh> i don’t think it will bend, but it might ring.
[15:35:31] <Frank_6> maybe i should change it
[15:36:00] <Wolf_> many reasons for the dual plate setup, main IMO being ease of construction
[15:36:08] <Frank_6> it's stiff like 19mm of alum thick i believe
[15:36:20] <andypugh> I doubt it.
[15:36:23] <Wolf_> and more rigid design for being simple
[15:37:00] <andypugh> Steel is, what, 3x asa stiff as Alu? But stiffness of a beam goes with I^4
[15:37:26] <Frank_6> yes, thats was my concern heh
[15:37:56] <andypugh> I would do it all in cast iron. But then I am an idiot.
[15:38:10] <Frank_6> will see, i already have those plates, so im just going to use those, at any time i can send to laser cut some thicker ones
[15:38:15] <Frank_6> hahaha
[15:38:40] <andypugh> Or weld flanges round the edges
[15:39:37] <Frank_6> thats an easy solution
[15:40:05] * MacGalempsy_ sighs...time to go eat and go bowling... #wifebyforce
[15:40:13] <Frank_6> but it seems so stiff in my hands *holding it right now*
[15:40:40] <Wolf_> in hand vs machine forces…
[15:40:42] <andypugh> Over-sharing
[15:41:06] <Frank_6> lol i just realised
[15:41:23] <andypugh> Frank_6: Tap it with a hammer, does it ring? That remains a slight concern
[15:42:31] <Frank_6> omg this thing is like a bell
[15:42:58] <pink_vampire> Frank_6: you can't just change the settings on you encoder to get more resolution?
[15:43:13] <Wolf_> 1/4 steel isn’t that rigid… but I’m use to bending/breaking stuff
[15:43:34] <Wolf_> pink_vampire: encoders are a fixed unit
[15:43:50] <pink_vampire> Wolf_: no!
[15:44:14] <pink_vampire> you can set the resolution.
[15:44:26] <Wolf_> how http://i.imgur.com/Qa21QJU.jpg
[15:44:40] <Wolf_> most are marks/slots on a disk
[15:44:41] <pink_vampire> on my encoder the max is 8192, but i set it to 1000
[15:44:41] <Frank_6> i would have thought that this single 1/4plate is stiffer than two alum plates separated by *spacers* wich arent that good at traducing forces
[15:44:47] <pink_vampire> dip swiches
[15:45:28] <andypugh> Frank_6: Stiffness is a curious thing.
[15:46:01] <andypugh> It’s worth messing about on one of the bending-beam calculator sites to see just how fast things get stiffer with thickness.
[15:46:15] <pink_vampire> http://media.digikey.com/photos/CUI%20Photos/AMT102-V.jpg
[15:46:20] <pink_vampire> Wolf_: ^
[15:46:52] <Frank_6> yes, i played alot while deciding beams for my cnc router frame
[15:47:01] <Wolf_> yeah, guess it also depends on the encoder
[15:47:02] <Frank_6> quite awesome
[15:47:43] <pink_vampire> Frank_6: what type of encoder do you have?
[15:47:44] <Frank_6> funny thing how i come here with one question and leave with many...
[15:47:45] <Frank_6> heh
[15:47:58] <Frank_6> incremental i believe
[15:48:50] <pink_vampire> you can program it?
[15:49:44] <Frank_6> i dont really know
[15:50:12] <Frank_6> you think direct drive is better?
[15:50:59] <pink_vampire> much better
[15:51:08] <Wolf_> I don’t think direct drive on a servo setup is a good idea, least not if you have high rpm servos
[15:51:38] <pink_vampire> i have 3000 rpm servos direct drive.
[15:51:59] <pink_vampire> the machine work fine
[15:52:15] <Wolf_> mine are 5500rpm max
[15:52:47] <Wolf_> http://www.usdigital.com/products/encoders/incremental/rotary/kit/E3 and some encoders are fixed output
[15:52:59] <pink_vampire> the spring on the belt put some backlash in to the system
[15:53:17] <Wolf_> spring isn’t on belt
[15:53:33] <Wolf_> spring is for the tooth engagement on the rack
[15:53:41] <pink_vampire> 64 to 10,000 cycles per revolution (CPR) 256 to 40,000 pulses per revolution (PPR)
[15:54:27] <gregcnc> as long as the servos have enough torque direct is OK
[15:55:35] <gregcnc> if you don't use the full RPM capability of the servo you can't make full use of the power
[15:56:01] <gregcnc> in this case a smaller servo with less torque but reduced to use full RPM is just as capable
[15:56:50] <gregcnc> you have to satisfy both the torque and power required of the axis
[15:57:41] <gregcnc> there are some details about inertia and reflected inertia which are a bit harder to understand
[16:05:49] <JT-Shop2> west wall is clear now time to start the OSB party
[16:06:33] <JT-Shop2> Tom_itx: I assume you will run the logger in a different directory?
[16:17:27] <Roguish> JT-Shop. it sounds like you are having just too much fun.
[16:20:39] <JT-Shop2> 20 more sheets of OSB, then wire up the rest of the outlets, then put some itch in the ceiling, ...
[16:20:46] <JT-Shop2> getting tired of OSB
[16:26:22] <pink_vampire> anyone here try to tap 1/4" 100tpi?
[16:27:10] <Roguish> pink_vampire: good luck with that. very special tap. threads are more like scratches than threads.
[16:27:23] <pink_vampire> i know
[16:28:46] <JT-Shop2> pink_vampire: you get your probe and touch off working?
[16:29:09] <Roguish> had some ball plungers made that were 100 tpi. #10 or #8. cannot recall which. vented for vacuum use.
[16:29:53] <pink_vampire> linux cnc work fine, but the ground make it not working very good..
[16:30:40] <Roguish> new note from Yahoo 'your account may have been affected.......'
[16:32:49] <Roguish> someone really really ought to bitchslap the Marissa Mayer
[16:36:47] <TurBoss> hello
[16:38:12] <Deejay> gn8
[16:39:42] <Nick-Shop> <JT_Shop2>Still there?
[16:40:04] <gregcnc> 1/4-100 what is the application?
[16:41:33] * JT-Shop2 is hanging OSB on the walls
[16:42:17] <Nick-Shop> time for a question?
[16:44:24] <JT-Shop2> we just ask the question here
[16:45:02] <Nick-Shop> does your hardinge have a servo motor for the spindle?
[16:48:23] <JT-Shop2> yes
[16:50:09] <Nick-Shop> OK - still haven't found out why mine isn't sync'd using your halfile
[16:54:10] <TurBoss> wow linuxcnc is compiling on arch XD lets see how far it goes
[16:54:39] <TurBoss> I know it should work
[16:55:10] <JT-Shop2> Nick-Shop: did you test the index signal like I showed you with the link
[16:55:35] * JT-Shop2 goes inside to start the chicken and dumplins
[16:55:40] <JT-Shop2> bbib
[16:57:09] <Nick-Shop> yes - no spindle index enable
[17:00:00] <TurBoss> ok failed
[17:00:04] <TurBoss> retry
[17:02:07] <TurBoss> here is the output if someone wnats to take a look
[17:02:09] <TurBoss> http://dpaste.com/2TYSMQF
[17:03:02] <TurBoss> i have specified to use python2.7
[17:03:24] <TurBoss> $ ./configure --enable-non-distributable --with-python=/usr/bin/python2.7 --with-boost-python=/usr/lib/libboost_python.so
[17:06:40] <TurBoss> seems tha make is using system python not the one specified in the ./configure
[17:07:32] <TurBoss> arch is diferent from debian in naming python , python is 3.5 and python2 is 2.7
[17:07:34] <TurBoss> :P
[17:11:46] <TurBoss> ok fixed
[17:11:58] <TurBoss> will make a PR if success
[17:13:16] <pink_vampire> how do i read the dro in linux cnc?
[17:17:13] <TurBoss> ok compileation success
[17:17:27] <TurBoss> but not sure if my "hack" is good enoug for a PR
[17:19:14] <TurBoss> plz can some one review? i thinks is not the way...
[17:19:15] <TurBoss> http://dpaste.com/1YDXSTE
[17:23:39] <kb8wmc> pink_vampire: you probably have a tab that you can select which has DRO, and usually the main graphical screen has DRO built in...I hope I am understanding your question...
[17:24:14] <pink_vampire> yeah i see that, thanks!
[17:26:48] <andypugh> Nick-Shop: I still think you might be misunderstanding how spindle-index-enable works
[17:31:17] <andypugh> Does anyone here machine brass? Does it fly off as powder, or do I need to work on feeds, speeds and cutters?
[17:32:24] <Wolf_> iirc the brass chips break really fast so it will seem like dust if low doc
[17:33:53] <Wolf_> but I might be wrong
[17:34:55] <andypugh> It’s more how it showers half way across the room that seems wrong
[17:35:03] <JT-Shop2> done a little brass and kinda like tiny chips like cast iron
[17:37:15] <Nick-Shop> <andypugh> just trying to get this spindle to run properly - in snyc so I have g95, css and threading
[17:38:14] <andypugh> Yes, well, I have all that working for me, and my HAL looks like yours.
[17:38:48] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, why would i run the logger in a different directory?
[17:38:55] <Tom_itx> oh than the logs, yes
[17:39:08] <Tom_itx> that's set in the file iirc
[17:39:25] <Nick-Shop> I don't had pid info in ini or hal for spindle - neither does jt's files
[17:40:04] <Nick-Shop> had/have
[17:40:20] <andypugh> Nick-Shop: In fact, css and fpr with a resolver-spindle lathe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TLzbF5POMk&t=3s
[17:40:40] <andypugh> Nick-Shop: Well, yes, but that’s irrelevant.
[17:40:56] <andypugh> Did you check that spindle-revs goes up by one every turn?
[17:41:17] <andypugh> And did you try setting index-enable high and watching it go false?
[17:42:23] <Nick-Shop> don't seen to be able to turn spindle by hand and brake is definitely off
[17:42:43] <Nick-Shop> how do I do the setting?
[17:43:10] <andypugh> halcmd -fk
[17:43:18] <andypugh> sets spindle-index 1
[17:44:11] <andypugh> loadusr halmeter signal spindle-index
[17:45:39] <Nick-Shop> spindle reves is moving with spindle going at 1st manual step for spindle
[17:46:27] <andypugh> Yes, but does it increase in the normal machining direction?
[17:49:20] <Nick-Shop> foward-m3 gives a - nunber
[17:50:18] <Nick-Shop> just checked both ways reverse - m4 gives a positive #
[17:54:06] <andypugh> Aha!
[17:54:27] <andypugh> Set the resolver scale negative then (in the HAL / INI)
[17:54:59] <dioz> cop said i was speeding but he radared the car beside me
[17:55:10] <dioz> so now i'm doing a request for disclosure
[17:55:18] <dioz> i wanna see the video evidence
[17:55:29] <dioz> if i was speeding i'd pay the ticket straight up
[17:55:33] <dioz> but i wasn't in this case
[17:55:40] <Tom_itx> you're both guilty
[17:56:47] <dioz> nope
[17:58:36] <_methods> he who denied it supplied it
[17:58:54] <Tom_itx> ^^
[18:00:54] <Wolf_> they use laser for speeding enforcement up there?
[18:01:19] <andypugh> dioz: If you know you were not speeding, then I can understand your unhappiness.
[18:01:28] <andypugh> But I doubt that you can get off of ot.
[18:01:32] <_methods> when they're not too busy huffin galv fumes
[18:01:50] <Nick-Shop> m3 is now giving a positive # in spindle revs - now what :-0
[18:02:55] <andypugh> dioz: Personally, in this situation I would just accept that I have been guilty of speeding tens of thousands of times and been caught twice, so shrug. If you never speed, seems unfair
[18:02:56] <Wolf_> reminds me that I need to get a “parking sensor” setup for my car before I end up with another ticket …
[18:03:14] <andypugh> Nick-Shop: Try a G76 ?
[18:03:15] <Tom_itx> andypugh, that's how i look at it
[18:03:58] <Nick-Shop> and giving 0 spindle-rpm
[18:04:47] <JT-Shop2> last three times I was let off with a warning... hmm `75ish `90ish last time `15
[18:04:53] <andypugh> You mean the spindle no longer rotates?
[18:05:50] * JT-Shop2 heads back to the cocina
[18:05:59] <JT-Shop2> goodnight
[18:06:09] <Wolf_> for those who drive to fast http://www.alpriorityusa.com/AL-Priority-Parking-System.html :D
[18:06:16] <Nick-Shop> while it's spinning - hal meter says 0 rpm
[18:06:35] <andypugh> What is hal-meter looking at?
[18:07:26] <Nick-Shop> spindle-rpm = 0
[18:07:55] <Nick-Shop> I will now try the css program
[18:08:07] <andypugh> What is the resolver.velocity?
[18:09:02] <Nick-Shop> 1.9 - 2.0 a little jittery
[18:10:06] <andypugh> So, dies that go through a scale function? And is the scale added to a HAL thread?
[18:13:12] <Nick-Shop> isit in the hal? http://pastebin.com/UfyQwqBL
[18:13:43] <Nick-Shop> the program stops at a g1 line
[18:18:49] <andypugh> I think that line 71 is a problem, but need to read the docs a bit.
[18:19:41] <andypugh> No, that’s fine, it expects revs-per-second
[18:21:50] <andypugh> What is your resolver.03.velocity-scale?
[18:22:47] <Nick-Shop> what line #?
[18:27:41] <Nick-Shop> under pins - it's -2.046204 Hopefully I looked in the right place
[18:28:23] <dioz> andypugh: i got a photo radar ticket about 2 months ago and paid it no big deal
[18:28:30] <dioz> this one is different
[18:28:46] <dioz> the cop told me to "follow him" while he chased down the other car (the speeding car)
[18:29:04] <dioz> i had to follow him for about 15 minutes to "catch" the other car
[18:29:07] <andypugh> Nick-Shop: I don’t think you are setting it. I guess it defaulted to 1, but it’s worth checing
[18:29:12] <dioz> yet somehow we were both speeding
[18:29:43] <andypugh> Did he speed to catch the other car?
[18:29:54] <dioz> oh yah he had to let her buck haaard to catch the speeding car
[18:30:03] <dioz> they flew by me like i was standing still
[18:30:30] <dioz> he was driving towards us just as the car was passing me
[18:30:43] <andypugh> Do you know any lawyers?
[18:30:45] <Wolf_> so pretty much you are saying he gave you a ticket for getting over taken by another car
[18:30:56] <dioz> Wolf_: that is exactly what happened
[18:31:15] <andypugh> No, the ticket is for speeding behind him while he chased another car :-)
[18:31:20] <dioz> ^ lol
[18:31:21] <dioz> maybe
[18:31:25] <dioz> i didn't speed though
[18:31:29] <dioz> i just kept on at my original pace
[18:31:41] <andypugh> I would have _really_ not speeded.
[18:31:55] <dioz> what i should have done, in highsight, was stopped where i was
[18:31:59] <dioz> and made him come back and find me
[18:31:59] <andypugh> Like, accidentally lose him, or force him to choose a car
[18:32:01] <dioz> instead of following him
[18:32:14] <dioz> play stupid
[18:32:20] <TurBoss> I have added root_window.attributes('-fullscreen', True) > ~/axisrc but still a small window
[18:32:22] <dioz> "oh i thought you wanted me to pull over and wait here"
[18:32:24] <TurBoss> no wm
[18:32:31] <TurBoss> master 2.8
[18:32:37] <andypugh> Do you have any friends who are lawyers?
[18:32:51] <dioz> andypugh: naw. i requested disclosure for the dash cam
[18:33:05] <dioz> my gf was with me at the time and she thought it was bullshit
[18:33:12] <Nick-Shop> how do I check it and what am I looking for?
[18:33:19] <dioz> worse comes to worse i have a trial date and i'll just go to court
[18:38:07] <andypugh> (I was at a party full of law students last weekend, it was very odd. A friend of my own age has gone into law late in life. Her student friends looked like this: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1304735602923775&set=pb.100001620429445.-2207520000.1481933184.&type=3&theater (My friend is the mature lass at the front). I took the photo. I think it is the first time in 30 years I have been out numbered by women.
[18:39:50] <andypugh> dioz: In this case, I think that you have good reason to go to court. This sort of thing is _meant_ to be why you get the option. But is the principle worth more than the time off work?
[18:40:18] <andypugh> I think I would go to court. I never have, it would be interesting.
[18:42:45] <Nick-Shop> tomorrow is another day and my head is starting to spin - nite
[18:43:17] <jdh> last time I went to court, I decided it would be worthwhile to always pay someone else to go for me.
[18:49:28] <Tom_itx> facebook requires login to view that
[18:57:59] <andypugh> Ah, well, never mind.
[18:58:29] <andypugh> Imagine a bevy of 18-year old clever girls.
[18:59:35] <Tom_itx> heh
[19:02:19] <andypugh> I have got to the age where I confuse “young” with “pretty” but I am pretty sure there wasn’t much wrong with the one I spent the evening chatting to. Though my feelings were (depressingly) more paternal than lustful: https://www.facebook.com/klaudia.otoka/photos?lst=1547662471%3A100002985169189%3A1481934788&source_ref=pb_friends_tl
[20:57:53] <trentster> Whats best practice for buying hook up wire. Should I try get silicon jacket instead of pvc if possible?
[20:58:53] <trentster> In terms of AWG for pulse, direction and ground from BOB to Drivers, is something like 26AWG fine?
[21:00:27] <trentster> and 18AWG from PSU 48V to drivers for 6Amp load per driver?
[21:04:20] <Tom_itx> iirc i used 18ga on my drivers
[21:04:57] <trentster> for power? or also for pulse direction etc?
[21:05:24] <Tom_itx> power but mine are throttled back to ~3A iirc
[21:05:55] <roycroft> for signal/control, 26ga would probably work, but it's a bitch to work with
[21:06:12] <Tom_itx> yeah i'd go with something a bit heavier personally
[21:06:16] <trentster> yeah its a bit bitty
[21:06:19] <Tom_itx> unless you're using ribbon
[21:06:20] <roycroft> 24 or 22 ga are a lot easier to work with, and usually more readily available
[21:06:34] <Tom_itx> make sure you isolate the signal from the power
[21:06:41] <Tom_itx> or you'll get noise
[21:06:51] <trentster> I think I will also go for a crimping tool and Bootlace Ferrules this time instead of soldering
[21:08:02] <trentster> Tom_itx: what method do you recommend for isolating signal from power?
[21:09:42] <Tom_itx> good shielding and routing
[21:09:46] <Tom_itx> keep them separated
[21:09:52] <Tom_itx> star grounding
[21:09:56] <roycroft> shielded or twisted pair cables for the signal
[21:10:12] <roycroft> and yes, physical separation of power and signal wires
[21:10:22] <roycroft> especially if the power is ac
[21:10:33] <Tom_itx> steppers are noisy too
[21:11:30] <trentster> hmm, so for signal, is multi core shielded security/alarm cable ok?
[21:11:49] <Wolf_> should work
[21:12:05] <trentster> Yeah all my stepper cables are shielded.
[21:12:18] <trentster> at least up until the enclosure, inside they are not
[21:12:36] <Wolf_> I just jam it all in parallel to maximize the inductive noise
[21:14:21] <trentster> I got some ferrite blocks in the bottom of a draw somewhere, suppose it would not hurt to fish them out and use them
[21:14:50] <Wolf_> http://i.imgur.com/iAeCFWH.jpg my ugly stepper driven mill setup
[21:15:18] <trentster> heh it looks just like my current setup
[21:15:29] <trentster> cable ties everywhere
[21:16:37] <Wolf_> next build should be interesting
[21:17:31] <trentster> CNC is so bloody addictive, its all I think about these days :-)
[21:17:45] <Wolf_> yep
[21:17:57] <Wolf_> I have servo amps and motors all over my desk
[21:18:48] <trentster> no servos on my desk(unfortunately) but its still a clutter of electronic heaven(or hell depending on your perspective)
[21:19:36] <trentster> I have spent so much time in Fusion 360 endlessly re-iterating my machine re-design, I am becoming an expert.
[21:20:25] <Wolf_> I just loaded fusion last week
[21:20:36] <BeachBumPete> what are the little blue boards in front there?
[21:20:44] <trentster> Yeah, its pretty awesome….best bang for buck..can't beat free
[21:20:49] <Wolf_> amp/volt meters
[21:21:20] <Wolf_> I got carried away with that panel build lol
[21:28:15] <trentster> lol, Can't fault the "Titan of CNC" dude for lack of energy, wonder if he has same enthusiastic when he is not at work.
[21:38:15] <jdh> that's a lot of meters
[21:39:40] <Wolf_> yup, some what redundant http://i.imgur.com/l7KoMTm.jpg
[21:40:30] <jdh> you need to swap all those SHCS for button heads
[21:40:39] <Wolf_> yeah lol
[21:40:52] <Wolf_> was working with what I had laying around
[21:41:55] <jdh> I wonder if lcd DRO's would be cool
[23:13:20] <Cromaglious_> hmmm
[23:13:37] <Cromaglious_> still working on my arduino speed control