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[01:17:35] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: You made your gantry crane all wrong...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXdqjG39JTM
[01:25:52] <Wolf_> I should build one like that for my shop and see how long it lasts
[01:36:55] <Jymmm> Wolf_: as long as you do the hair flip when making it
[01:38:14] <Wolf_> think it will lift a 1500-2000lb truck body?
[01:39:05] <Jymmm> as long as the hair flip is done with glam!
[01:39:25] <Wolf_> would have to see if I can get the hair re-attached
[02:37:07] <Deejay> moin
[03:34:50] <pink_vampire|2> hi
[03:38:01] <Wolf_> morning
[04:08:23] <pink_vampire|2> hi Wolf_
[04:14:42] <pink_vampire> my hacksaw is running again (clean this this time)
[04:14:50] <Wolf_> :)
[04:15:31] <Wolf_> i’m slowly learnign how to build a kernel…
[04:15:38] <pink_vampire> and i'm thinking about getting a lathe
[04:15:56] <pink_vampire> what do you mean by that?
[04:16:12] <Wolf_> compiling a linux kernel
[04:16:54] <pink_vampire> is there any advantage to do it?
[04:17:10] <enleth> building is the easy part, configuring it is where it might get tricky for a first-timer
[04:17:32] <Wolf_> yeah, I’m in the config right now...
[04:17:47] <enleth> do you have a /proc/config.gz file on the system you're building for?
[04:18:07] <enleth> that's the built-in config of the current running kernel, might be useful as a base to work on
[04:18:27] <enleth> it's optional, though, so it might've been disabled by whoever configured your current kernel
[04:18:44] <enleth> (I never understood why people disable it on non-embedded kernels)
[04:19:14] <pink_vampire> how do i jog more then 3 axis?
[04:19:45] <Wolf_> might be one, but I am on the 2nd try for kernel building, I did one earlier but didn’t set RT preempt
[04:19:53] <pink_vampire> what is the keyboard shortcut for the 4th 5th 6th ...9th axis?
[04:20:20] <Wolf_> I forget, its listed somewhere…
[04:20:38] <Wolf_> for 4th axis anyways
[04:20:41] <Wolf_> I think
[04:21:32] <enleth> Wolf_: there's a tool for extracting configs from non-running kernel binaries too, scripts/extrac-ikconfig in the kernel source dir
[04:21:40] <enleth> *extract
[04:21:54] <Wolf_> well, current kernel has everything in it lol
[04:25:56] <pink_vampire> i'm thinking about getting a very small lathe, and mount it on the table of the machine, and convert it to a cnc with servo spindle
[04:26:36] <Wolf_> one way to do a 4th axis, but is going to eat height
[04:27:05] <pink_vampire> i have 12" travel on the height.
[04:27:41] <pink_vampire> http://www.grizzly.com/products/4-x-6-Micro-Metal-Lathe/G0745
[04:28:11] <Wolf_> you can probably build a 4th axis by getting a head casting, spindle, bearings
[04:28:33] <enleth> pink_vampire: an old indexing head with a tailstock might be a better idea
[04:28:37] <Wolf_> enleth: one thing I’m confused on /configure --with-realtime=uspace
[04:30:32] <pink_vampire> enleth: but on a small lathe you get also a rails that keep the tailstock concentric to the chuck, on rotory table + tail stock you have to manually align them
[04:31:21] <Wolf_> cheap lathe doesnt = concentric lol
[04:34:18] <Wolf_> I think the info/commands are going to drive me nuts with this linux stuff
[04:36:25] <enleth> Wolf_: what's confusing about it?
[04:36:59] <enleth> pink_vampire: you put chucks on both, chuck a straight ground steel rod, indicate it and tighten the bolts down
[04:37:19] <Wolf_> missing context, tried it, just kicked back a error
[04:37:51] <enleth> pink_vampire: in fact, you'd need to indicate a small lathe anyway, and you'd probably do that with a ground bar chucked in it anyway
[04:38:52] <pink_vampire> enleth: but i want to leave the micro lathe on the table of the machine
[04:38:55] <enleth> Wolf_: so you have a new kernel running already and now you're trying to rebuild linuxcnc itself against it?
[04:40:16] <Wolf_> redoing kernel for RT-Preempt
[04:41:23] <pink_vampire> but how do i jog soo meany axes?
[04:48:18] <Wolf_> could do external controls
[04:48:28] <Wolf_> usb pendant(s)
[04:49:58] <pink_vampire> max support is up to 5
[04:50:43] <pink_vampire> i need 6 or 7
[04:50:47] <Wolf_> really? would think that you can do whatever with custom hal or something
[04:55:08] <pink_vampire> i can add them but not to jog them..
[04:56:48] <enleth> do you actually *have* those axes?
[04:58:09] <IchGucksLive> hi
[04:59:11] <IchGucksLive> pink_vampire: use a xhc-hb04
[04:59:17] <IchGucksLive> is supported
[04:59:31] <IchGucksLive> has 6 axes support via hal
[04:59:40] <IchGucksLive> can be modified
[04:59:56] <IchGucksLive> XYZASF
[05:01:00] <pink_vampire> maybe is there a way to do it with the keyboard?
[05:01:11] <IchGucksLive> Wolf_: there is a Help file in every axis
[05:01:22] <IchGucksLive> yes
[05:01:25] <pink_vampire> select axis, then jog + or -
[05:01:31] <Wolf_> yeah, I’m beyond help …
[05:02:11] <IchGucksLive> pink_vampire: it depends on what yopu are on as the code changed
[05:02:28] <IchGucksLive> so use AXIS hit help Keboardlayout
[05:03:08] <pink_vampire> what do you mean?
[05:03:42] <IchGucksLive> there is a shortcut list on your mashine config so just hit HELP and then shortcuts
[05:04:02] <pink_vampire> les see
[05:06:19] <IchGucksLive> pink_vampire:
http://pasteall.org/pic/index.php?id=110009
[05:06:44] <pink_vampire> i see that
[05:06:57] <pink_vampire> but what x, ' mean?
[05:07:04] <pink_vampire> y,1
[05:07:16] <pink_vampire> y +1 do noting
[05:07:27] <pink_vampire> 4..8 mean?
[05:07:28] <IchGucksLive> y and numpad 1 is equal
[05:07:46] <IchGucksLive> 4..8 on numped activates the axis
[05:08:47] <XXCoder> hey ich pink
[05:08:59] <IchGucksLive> :-
[05:09:34] <IchGucksLive> pink_vampire: try the Real numbers on Keyboard if them work
[05:09:34] <pink_vampire> but you can't use them for jog
[05:10:11] <IchGucksLive> you can
[05:10:14] <pink_vampire> the real numbers just change the feed rate
[05:10:17] <IchGucksLive> what axis you got
[05:10:23] <IchGucksLive> xyzab
[05:10:28] <IchGucksLive> xyza
[05:10:37] <IchGucksLive> xyzc
[05:10:41] <IchGucksLive> treel me
[05:10:51] <IchGucksLive> or limply start the 8axis sim
[05:11:04] <IchGucksLive> 9axis ;-)
[05:11:21] <pink_vampire> if an axisis selected
[05:11:36] <IchGucksLive> - moves neg
[05:11:41] <pink_vampire> what i'm using to move it + / -
[05:12:08] <pink_vampire> ok ok ok
[05:12:10] <pink_vampire> i seee
[05:12:16] <pink_vampire> GRATEEEE
[05:12:29] <IchGucksLive> you need to red the keyboard shortcurt
[05:13:43] <pink_vampire> now the only thing i need is pyvcp buttons for running some probing
[05:14:03] <IchGucksLive> we taked about this
[05:14:50] <IchGucksLive> why not going with probescreen
[05:15:03] <IchGucksLive> is it the axis movement
[05:15:20] <pink_vampire> probe screen is ok ~
[05:15:26] <pink_vampire> but you can
[05:16:11] <pink_vampire> but i want to make the probing abit smarter.
[05:16:17] <IchGucksLive> get you a ngc of your choice on a pyvcp button
[05:16:30] <IchGucksLive> via mdi
[05:17:11] <pink_vampire> what do you mean via mdi?
[05:18:25] <IchGucksLive> it seams to me that you did not listen to any of my words
[05:18:30] <IchGucksLive> from last week
[05:19:05] <IchGucksLive> HALUI MDI_COMMAND = o<zprobeneg> call
[05:20:03] <pink_vampire> but what dose it mean / how I use it?
[05:20:24] <IchGucksLive> net pysetz pyvcp.z-touchoff => halui.mdi-command-00
[05:20:29] <IchGucksLive> thats all
[05:24:01] <pink_vampire> IchGucksLive: I can't follow, what do you mean thats all? do I need to put it in some linux cnc files? or it's something that go in the mdi?
[05:25:29] <IchGucksLive> in the postgui
[05:25:54] <pink_vampire> what is "the postgui"?
[05:26:19] <IchGucksLive> coustom_postgui
[05:26:24] <IchGucksLive> hal file
[05:26:51] <IchGucksLive> net probez pyvcp.z-touchoff => halui.mdi-command-00
[05:27:18] <IchGucksLive> inside coustompanel.xml
[05:28:15] <IchGucksLive> <button>
[05:28:17] <IchGucksLive> <halpin>"z-touchoff"</halpin>
[05:28:18] <IchGucksLive> <text>"Z Probe\n G92 ZPos"</text>
[05:28:20] <IchGucksLive> <font>("Helvetica",8)</font>
[05:28:21] <IchGucksLive> <bd>3</bd>
[05:28:23] <IchGucksLive> </button>
[05:28:48] <IchGucksLive> then yopou need a zprobeneg.ngc
[05:30:01] <IchGucksLive> o<zprobeneg> sub
[05:30:02] <IchGucksLive> G91 ( relative mode for probing)
[05:30:04] <IchGucksLive> G38.2 Z-25 F100 ( trip switch on the way down)
[05:30:05] <IchGucksLive> G90 ( absolute mode)
[05:30:07] <IchGucksLive> G92 Z0
[05:30:08] <IchGucksLive> G1 Z3.5 F150
[05:30:10] <IchGucksLive> o<zprobeneg> endsub
[05:30:11] <IchGucksLive> M2
[05:30:18] <IchGucksLive> and thats the way it goes
[05:30:35] <IchGucksLive> its noon lunch time im off Till later B O:
[05:31:00] <IchGucksLive> Wolf_: please overtake her
[05:31:24] <Wolf_> lol, I don’t know how that stuff works
[05:31:33] <XXCoder> me either
[05:31:45] <Wolf_> I just poke at it till I break something or make it work
[05:32:33] <jthornton> morning
[05:33:46] <pink_vampire> why did he go?
[05:34:03] <XXCoder> hes very busy person usually
[05:34:22] <XXCoder> he once menioned in passing few large cnc machines but he never says more heh
[05:34:33] <Wolf_> he was on lunch break
[05:34:42] <XXCoder> thats why i found he going away as forest ranger of some kind for 2 years interesting
[05:58:16] <jthornton> I thought the other guy was a ranger hmm what is his nick
[05:59:08] <XXCoder> he was
[05:59:11] <XXCoder> for 2 years
[05:59:18] <XXCoder> ichguckslive
[05:59:32] <XXCoder> hes machinist that decided to be ranger for 2 years
[06:03:29] <XXCoder> or maybe hes in country like switzerland (or ARE switzerland) that requires some service frome everyone
[06:03:41] <XXCoder> 2 years in case of switzerland
[06:03:53] <XXCoder> everyone is expected to own a registered gun
[06:04:06] <XXCoder> they are expected to store it very safely, or theres some big fee
[06:04:44] <gonzo_> it's an issued service weapon
[06:05:12] <XXCoder> indeed. not too sure about bullets regulation
[06:05:19] <gonzo_> as they have no standing army, every eligable man is required to be in military service
[06:05:35] <XXCoder> if I recall other country allows anything you want.. but bullets is heavily regulated
[06:06:10] <gonzo_> They are required to keep their rifle at home, not sure if ammo s issued or centraly held. And required to do a marksmanship qualification every yeaar
[06:06:35] <XXCoder> annual? wow
[06:06:41] <gonzo_> and they have the lowest shootings in europe
[06:07:09] <XXCoder> not surpised.
[06:07:25] <Wolf_> here we have safe places from words that hurt
[06:07:27] <gonzo_> I did hear that they would arrange the annual shooting event, like a town fayre
[06:07:48] <XXCoder> you'd how republicans poray switzerland as awesome gun supporters. they dont know requirements and regulations at all lol
[06:07:56] <gonzo_> ah we have a sape place at work. It's under the stairs, where we keep the fire safe
[06:08:05] <Wolf_> lol
[06:08:58] <gonzo_> is sz it's military service rather than cilvilian ownership
[06:09:43] <XXCoder> definitely interesting
[06:09:52] <sync> XXCoder: it is not expected
[06:09:53] <gonzo_> they are encourages to hold heavier weapons too. RPG, machine guns etc. Though I know that don't hold the ammo for them. (That will be held by someone else in the village)
[06:10:05] <sync> and not a lot of the servicemen take their weapon with them anymore
[06:10:15] <XXCoder> I wouldnt
[06:10:39] <XXCoder> if law required it I would train and understand weapon usage but leave it at whatever storage they have
[06:10:59] <gonzo_> one of the reasons why they were never invaded in WW2. A fully armed population who know the land intimatly. Oh, and having everyone's gold too!
[06:12:21] <gonzo_> the gun laws are hugely different across the EU
[06:13:04] <gonzo_> and given that most of it is one land mass with open borders, anything more than basic contraols are a waste of time
[07:20:44] <jdh> I got my ancient PLC programming software running in dosemu. It is too old to work in xp or newer
[07:23:04] <gonzo_> we still have soem hardware that needs an ISA slot for the i/f card
[07:23:26] <gonzo_> the IT dept love us, keeping an old win95 machine on their network
[07:23:31] <jdh> to work correctly, this needs a microchannel card
[08:19:16] <ToddZ> Much to the reliefe of our IT guy, our last DOS machine was converted to Linuxcnc about 6 months ago.
[08:28:47] <skunkworks_> heh -
[08:28:52] * skunkworks_ hugs linuxcnc
[08:30:42] <skunkworks_> I think our oldest machine here is a windows 98 running some sort of vision measuring software
[08:31:34] <skunkworks_> although we have a usb stick with free dos on it for the few times we need to edit ladder in some old plcs
[08:33:01] <jdh> I could install dos on a box for this but a waste
[09:28:53] <IchGucksLive> HI
[09:29:04] <IchGucksLive> sad day in germany so many wirk befor holidays
[09:29:23] <IchGucksLive> pink_vampire: did you got it to work
[09:31:33] <IchGucksLive> ok pink_vampire im on again in 3hr at 7pm Berlin time as almost every day
[09:31:45] <IchGucksLive> dont break to many bits
[09:31:48] <IchGucksLive> ;-)
[10:02:48] <gregcnc> "just doing my job"
https://www.yahoo.com/tv/comcast-investigates-insane-video-car-wrecks-involving-cable-174351475.html
[10:39:46] <MacGalempsy> :)
[11:07:32] <MacGalempsy> time to go clean the shop and try to figure out how to get my wifes 4runner in there...
[11:08:20] <JT-Shop> foot to the floorboard and worry about the mess later
[11:23:07] <MacGalempsy> lol. the 911 is in there!
[11:24:37] <JT-Shop2> opps
[12:06:03] <gregcnc> the temp has hit today's high of ~3°F, -16°C. I guess now is a good time as any to go into town
[12:08:31] <DaViruz> even colder than here
[12:11:42] <skunkworks_> 0f at lunch
[12:25:10] <IchGucksLive> hi
[12:25:18] <IchGucksLive> pink_vampire: ?
[12:29:17] <kb8wmc> IchGucksLive: good day to you
[12:32:50] <IchGucksLive> ;-)
[12:51:11] <MacGalempsy> IchGucksLive: how was Star Trek?
[12:51:24] <IchGucksLive> as cool as every year
[12:51:37] <MacGalempsy> did you dress up?
[12:55:35] <IchGucksLive> yes this is a must
[12:55:46] <IchGucksLive> Tech crew
[12:55:56] <MacGalempsy> really a federation member?
[12:56:37] <IchGucksLive> yes
[12:56:59] <pink_vampire> hi
[12:57:02] <IchGucksLive> Startrek not Starwars
[12:57:14] <IchGucksLive> there she is the BITbreaker
[12:57:22] <pink_vampire> i had a pipe broken here
[12:57:26] <IchGucksLive> pink_vampire: did you solf the probe
[12:57:28] <MacGalempsy> ive seen every episode of every startrek :)
[12:57:35] <pink_vampire> no
[12:57:40] <IchGucksLive> why
[12:57:48] <IchGucksLive> i gave you all the input
[12:57:48] <MacGalempsy> but not all star trek characters are Federation members
[12:58:02] <MacGalempsy> I figured you go as something more like a male from Angel one
[12:58:06] <pink_vampire> I was out all day getting parts to fix the pipe that brake
[12:58:36] <MacGalempsy> http://www.startrek.com/database_article/angel-one
[12:58:37] <MacGalempsy> lol
[12:58:44] <pink_vampire> let me see if linux cnc is running
[13:01:01] <pink_vampire> i'm power up the linux cnc computer
[13:02:49] <MacGalempsy> pink_vampire: how is the machine coming along
[13:03:05] <pink_vampire> it's up right now
[13:03:22] <pink_vampire> and i'm reading the back log
[13:05:46] <kb8wmc> drat, I was doing some testing in my axis simulator and messed something up...Now I lost my image of the machine limits and the "Home All" button, I can only simulate homing one axis at a time...anyone have an idea?
[13:06:29] <IchGucksLive> same sequence number
[13:06:36] <IchGucksLive> and yopu need a dd
[13:06:51] <kb8wmc> ah, tnx I will check...
[13:08:17] <MacGalempsy> im cleaning up the garage, but keep getting sidetracked
[13:08:42] <IchGucksLive> kb8wmc: the simolation movenment needs a sync
[13:09:02] <IchGucksLive> look into axis_mm
[13:09:23] <kb8wmc> I have different home sequencing for all 3 axes
[13:09:43] <kb8wmc> IchGucksLive: will do
[13:09:56] <IchGucksLive> :-)
[13:14:50] <kb8wmc> I do not see anything in the axis_mm.ini that looks like it would address my problem
[13:16:41] <kb8wmc> I am going through the hal file
[13:17:05] <IchGucksLive> no its in the simulated home.hal
[13:17:18] <kb8wmc> that is where I am looking
[13:17:56] <kb8wmc> core_sim.hal
[13:19:17] <IchGucksLive> simulated_home.hal
[13:19:24] <IchGucksLive> is the gole
[13:19:37] <kb8wmc> ah...
[13:23:30] <kb8wmc> there is no visible difference between the simulated_home.hal file in axis_mm and my regular axis
[13:24:01] <IchGucksLive> what axes do you want to home in same
[13:24:53] <kb8wmc> the axis_mm acts properly...it displays machine limits and home all
[13:26:11] <kb8wmc> home sequence Z then X then Y
[13:27:47] <kb8wmc> I really would like to know what I did that caused this
[13:29:58] <IchGucksLive> Im maybe confused but you woudt like to home 2AXIS at the same Sequence as i understand
[13:31:02] <kb8wmc> sorry for not being clear, I want to use the homing sequence "Z" - "X" - "Y"
[13:32:21] <IchGucksLive> HOME_SEQUENCE = 0 to AXIS_0
[13:32:25] <IchGucksLive> SORRY
[13:32:32] <IchGucksLive> HOME_SEQUENCE = 0 to AXIS_2
[13:32:46] <IchGucksLive> HOME_SEQUENCE = 1 to AXIS_0
[13:32:54] <IchGucksLive> HOME_SEQUENCE = 2 to AXIS_1
[13:33:04] <kb8wmc> I am almost sure that I can install an older simulator to get back to where I was, but I don't know what I did to cause it and don't what to repeat it
[13:33:41] <kb8wmc> Yes, that is my present config for Home Sequences
[13:34:14] <IchGucksLive> so maybe you ripped up the simulated_home.hal
[13:34:29] <IchGucksLive> this comes for syncrone homing
[13:34:40] <kb8wmc> I sure did something, just don't know exactly what it was
[13:38:11] <IchGucksLive> kb8wmc: can you post your core sim
[13:39:26] <kb8wmc> yes, standby
[13:40:15] <IchGucksLive> in simualted_home.hal net XZhomesw or2_0.out => axis.0.home-sw-in axis.2.home-sw-in this is your problem
[13:42:09] <kb8wmc> IchGucksLive:
http://pastebin.com/1kbSzsfd
[13:42:58] <IchGucksLive> kb8wmc: thats ok so the problem is in simualted_home.hal
[13:43:50] <IchGucksLive> #net Xhomesw => or2_0.in0
[13:43:51] <IchGucksLive> #net Zhomesw => or2_0.in1
[13:43:53] <IchGucksLive> #net XZhomesw or2_0.out => axis.0.home-sw-in axis.2.home-sw-in
[13:44:37] <IchGucksLive> net Xhomesw <= comp_x.out => axis.0.home-sw-in
[13:44:54] <IchGucksLive> net Yhomesw <= comp_y.out => axis.1.home-sw-in
[13:45:11] <IchGucksLive> net Zhomesw <= comp_z.out => axis.2.home-sw-in
[13:45:20] <IchGucksLive> THEN try again
[13:45:30] <kb8wmc> ok
[13:51:15] <IchGucksLive> kb8wmc: ?
[13:51:52] <kb8wmc> IchGucksLive: error: /usr/share/linuxcnc/hallib/simulated_home.hal: 26: Pin 'axis.0.home-sw-in' was already linked to signal Xhomesw
[13:52:31] <IchGucksLive> then you got doubel entry
[13:53:07] <IchGucksLive> kb8wmc: post the simulated_home.hal
[13:53:13] <kb8wmc> nothing is doubled within the simulated home.hal
[13:53:22] <kb8wmc> ok, will do
[13:54:25] <kb8wmc> http://pastebin.com/svngHDeG
[13:54:43] <IchGucksLive> line 26
[13:54:59] <IchGucksLive> i said #net XZhomesw or2_0.out => axis.0.home-sw-in axis.2.home-sw-in
[13:55:04] <IchGucksLive> remove it
[13:55:14] <kb8wmc> ah....ok...sorry
[13:55:31] <IchGucksLive> and the 2 above also with the #
[13:59:57] <kb8wmc> IchGucksLive: I restarted with those lines removed....No errors on restart, but still no "Home All" nor is there Machine Limits graphic
[14:01:06] <IchGucksLive> the mashine limits is in VIEW
[14:01:22] <IchGucksLive> SHOW LIMITS
[14:01:54] <kb8wmc> yes, but the show limits has no effect
[14:02:31] <IchGucksLive> did you do large limits
[14:02:51] <IchGucksLive> maybe inch not mm
[14:03:04] <IchGucksLive> in the ini tray section
[14:03:40] <kb8wmc> IchGucksLive: the ini is set to inch
[14:04:09] <IchGucksLive> and the numbers are <100 MIN MAX
[14:05:24] <kb8wmc> 49 x 49
[14:06:40] <kb8wmc> I better tackle this at a later time
[14:07:16] <kb8wmc> I will reload an older sim config and use that, it will work for the testing I want to do
[14:07:17] <IchGucksLive> ;-)
[14:07:28] <kb8wmc> thanks for your time and help
[14:08:03] <IchGucksLive> kb8wmc: please check my vid on that
https://youtu.be/mnPhRSFKPJE
[14:08:32] <kb8wmc> IchGucksLive: will do....I always enjoy your videos
[14:08:37] <kb8wmc> and thanks for that
[14:26:54] <IchGucksLive> Gn8
[14:28:22] <linux_vampire> why do i need to set the tools in my tool table?
[14:31:23] <jdh> to use g42/43 and friends
[14:31:28] <Deejay> for cutter radius compensation?
[14:31:50] <jdh> 41/42
[14:32:15] <skunkworks_> and tool length..
[14:33:03] <gregcnc> linuxcnc wants tools in the table even if you don't use rad or length comp
[14:33:21] <skunkworks_> well - if you call a tool - yes :)
[14:34:15] <gregcnc> I use rad comp, so I enter tools, but only a few actually have values other than tool number
[14:36:27] <_methods> i program wear so i don't put anything but length in tool table
[14:36:31] <_methods> and wear as tool wears
[14:36:51] <_methods> one less thing for an operator to input wrong
[14:48:34] <Tom_L> use quality sharp tools
[16:14:25] <Nick-Shop> I have a hal section for the spindle at
http://pastebin.com/UfyQwqBL It won't run without line 44 but the index,etc doesn't register in hal meter. What's wrong
[16:15:43] <JT-Shop2> http://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/tuning/encoder.html
[16:16:47] <Nick-Shop> I get resolver counts but it's not sync'd with the spindle for a feed or CSS
[16:17:39] <Nick-Shop> JT- would this be for resolvers also?
[16:19:56] <JT-Shop2> if it has an index pulse
[16:20:54] * JT-Shop2 knows little about a resolver
[16:23:30] <Nick-Shop> I guess the 7i49 card takes care of the index signals - it works fot the 2 axes's
[16:27:30] <JT-Shop2> I have one but never played with it
[16:27:42] * JT-Shop2 rigs a sky hook for the north wall
[16:30:23] <Nick-Shop> wonder if andypugh would have info on this
[16:33:03] <Deejay> gn8
[17:50:17] <andypugh> Nick-Shop: Sorry, I was machining
[17:51:05] <Nick-Shop> I'm still having spindle isues - could you look at a file?
[17:51:29] <andypugh> If you set index-enable high you should see it go low at the same point on each rev. Or possibly 2 points, or three. If you have a multi-turn resolver you can set a divider parameter, but that’s only for threading, not homing to index.
[17:52:24] <Nick-Shop> I get no index - can't do a g95 feed or css
[17:52:56] <Nick-Shop> http://pastebin.com/UfyQwqBL this is the spindle section of hal
[17:53:49] <Nick-Shop> as soon as I comment out the line you gave me - spindle doesn't move
[17:54:39] <andypugh> Line 44?
[17:54:42] <Nick-Shop> I wonder do I have to have [SPINDLE 9] info?
[17:54:51] <Nick-Shop> yes 44
[17:55:01] <andypugh> No, not if you don’t access SPINDLE from the HAL
[17:55:23] <andypugh> I think that you will need that line. _something_ needs to enable the PWM
[17:56:10] <andypugh> You may not need the “abs” function as there is already a motion.spindle-speed-out-abs
[17:56:38] <andypugh> Load the config then halcmd -kf in a terminal
[17:56:40] <Nick-Shop> agreed - any running hal examples around? this file is JT's Hardinge-
[17:57:03] <andypugh> loadusr halmeter sig spindle-index
[17:57:19] <Nick-Shop> I just have resolvers instead of encoders
[17:57:34] <andypugh> sets spindle-index 1
[17:57:42] <andypugh> Then rotate the spindle by hand
[17:59:07] <JT-Shop2> same thing I linked earlier
[18:00:01] <andypugh> Nick-Shop:
http://www.pastebin.ca/3747401
[18:00:06] <Nick-Shop> I have to figure out have to release the brake. I triedto meter the spindle inex with the spindle doing a slow rotation and it never changed
[18:00:32] <andypugh> Do you even have a spindle index?
[18:01:44] <Nick-Shop> it's in the hal somewhere. it shows up as a signal
[18:01:47] <andypugh> No, there is no index pin with the resolver, just the index-enable
[18:03:13] <Nick-Shop> just checked - spindle-index is a signal
[18:03:47] <andypugh> You have a signal called spindle-index. If you set it th high, then at Resolver-zero it will go low.
[18:04:05] <andypugh> Did you try what I described earlier?
[18:05:53] <Nick-Shop> loadusr halmeter sig spindle-index ??
[18:06:10] <andypugh> And the rest
[18:06:41] <MacGalempsy> will the old "abolish imperial" arguement ever die?
[18:07:03] <Nick-Shop> I'm not that quick - where do I load this info?
[18:07:04] <MacGalempsy> (before its hypothetical collapse that is
[18:07:39] <Nick-Shop> Your pastbin fil - Do I need the spindle9 info?
[18:08:03] <andypugh> Nick. Start Linuxcnc. Then open a terminal window, and type the commands (starting with the first, halcmd -kf and optionally repeating the “sets”)
[18:08:08] <malcom2073> MacGalempsy: Not until you abolish imperial
[18:08:33] <andypugh> Nick-Shop: Your HAL all looks fine to me
[18:08:45] <MacGalempsy> malcom2073: i already nixed that situation ^^^
[18:09:15] <Nick-Shop> got to write this down and go to the machine 20' from this computer
[18:12:57] <andypugh> Nick-Shop: While you are there, check that the spindle-revs pin counts _up_ by one every forward revolution.
[18:13:47] <Nick-Shop> will continue this tomorrow - wife called - dinner time - Thanks for this info - Will have alot to assimilate -
[18:14:48] <Nick-Shop> andy - will do - thanks again
[18:49:56] <Mac-Mill> hey guys, can anyone help me figure out what happened? all of a sudden things stopped loading
http://pastebin.com/maukh39L
[18:50:56] <Mac-Mill> it appears to be a problem with the mesa component loading
[18:57:04] <andypugh> [ 50.389595] hm2/hm2_5i25.0: pin 0 primary tag is 255 ((unknown-gtag-255)), not IOPort!
[18:57:35] <andypugh> Strange one, that. pcw_home any ideas?
[18:58:25] <andypugh> I would normally be thinking in terms of a dirty PCI slot, but this looks more like a good 5i25 with bad firmware.
[19:00:12] <MacGalempsy> andypugh: i did an update, but not sure if anything from the system got updated. do you think this could be a result of that?
[19:01:00] <andypugh> I don’t actually think so. Writing new firmware is actually something that you need to do on purpose.
[19:07:58] <Mac-Mill> here is the dmesg
http://pastebin.com/RVmzrDvt
[19:14:25] <Jymmm> [ 1166.996075] hm2_pci: Unknown parameter `num_encoders'
[19:15:13] <Jymmm> [ 50.389602] hm2_5i25.0: board fails HM2 registration
[19:15:22] <Jymmm> [ 50.389587] hm2: Firmware contains unknown function (gtag-255)
[19:16:05] <Jymmm> 50.389424] hm2_pci: loading Mesa AnyIO HostMot2 driver version 0.7
[19:16:05] <Jymmm> [ 50.389478] hm2_pci: discovered 5i25 at 0000:04:00.0
[19:16:05] <Jymmm> [ 50.389587] hm2: Firmware contains unknown function (gtag-255)
[19:16:07] <Jymmm> [ 50.389595] hm2/hm2_5i25.0: pin 0 primary tag is 255 ((unknown-gtag-255)), not IOPort!
[19:16:09] <Jymmm> [ 50.389602] hm2_5i25.0: board fails HM2 registration
[19:16:11] <Jymmm> [ 50.389637] hm2_pci: probe of 0000:04:00.0 failed with error -22
[19:16:13] <Jymmm> [ 51.017819] hm2: unloading
[19:16:32] <Jymmm> andypugh: ^^^
[19:17:01] <Jymmm> pcw_home: ^^^
[19:19:16] <zeeshan> howdy
[19:20:00] <Tom_L> hey
[19:20:07] <zeeshan> Tom_L: youv'e done renos
[19:20:16] <zeeshan> do you know what would be under my floor
[19:20:19] <zeeshan> for the room above the garage?
[19:20:29] <zeeshan> is it just a bunch of plywood sheets with carpet on top
[19:20:34] <zeeshan> and below it is joists?
[19:20:35] <Tom_L> probably
[19:20:41] <zeeshan> i dont think its insulated
[19:20:41] <Tom_L> joist or truss
[19:20:48] <zeeshan> cause my floors are always cold
[19:20:48] <Tom_L> depending on the age
[19:20:57] <Tom_L> insulate it
[19:20:59] <zeeshan> about 7-8 years
[19:21:00] <zeeshan> yea
[19:21:05] <Tom_L> truss
[19:21:05] <zeeshan> i was planning to put hardwood
[19:21:10] <zeeshan> i think it might make sense to insulate it
[19:21:13] <zeeshan> while the carpet is out
[19:21:36] <Tom_L> why?
[19:21:41] <Tom_L> you insulate under it no?
[19:21:51] <zeeshan> well when the carpet is out
[19:21:54] <zeeshan> i can remove the plywood sheets
[19:21:59] <zeeshan> and put insulating in
[19:22:02] <zeeshan> insulation
[19:23:07] <Tom_L> no access under it?
[19:23:10] <Wolf_> if you can get the sub flooring up and insulate, then you can reinstall the sub floor correctly as well
[19:23:14] <zeeshan> no
[19:23:20] <zeeshan> my garage has gypsum board
[19:23:21] <zeeshan> all over
[19:23:33] <Tom_L> just don't insulate if there is water pipes under it
[19:23:43] <zeeshan> why
[19:23:48] <Tom_L> you may be warm but could create another problem
[19:24:04] <Wolf_> my house all the sub flooring is glued + nailed
[19:24:05] <Tom_L> oh, the garage is below/
[19:24:08] <Tom_L> ?
[19:24:11] <zeeshan> yes
[19:24:20] <Tom_L> yeah the floor may be glued in
[19:24:29] <zeeshan> http://www.norbord.com/na/cms/wp-content/uploads/020513.SubfloorAdhesives-300x239.jpg
[19:24:33] <Tom_L> you'll find out how good construction it is
[19:24:35] <zeeshan> wolf_ that stuff?
[19:24:39] <zeeshan> i thought those were plywood sheets ;p
[19:24:57] <zeeshan> well if it's glued and nailed
[19:25:01] <zeeshan> i might just do spray foam then
[19:25:04] <zeeshan> by drilling holes
[19:25:20] <Jymmm> http://www.homedepot.com/b/Building-Materials-Insulation/N-5yc1vZasbs?redirect=true&NCNI-5&searchRedirect=blown+insulation
[19:25:23] <Wolf_> ugh, that sounds like a mess
[19:25:37] <zeeshan> Jymmm: that would work too!
[19:25:38] <zeeshan> through holes
[19:25:39] <zeeshan> ;D
[19:26:02] <Wolf_> spray foam sucks just shooting it in to holes, blown in stuff would be best for that kinda application
[19:26:14] <Tom_L> zeeshan what celing is in the garage?
[19:26:19] <zeeshan> drywalklk
[19:26:23] <zeeshan> drywayll
[19:26:24] <zeeshan> elkjaslkdsa
[19:26:25] <Tom_L> may be easier to spray from there
[19:26:49] <Tom_L> if you don't ever want access to it...
[19:26:56] * zeeshan should just move houses
[19:27:15] * Tom_L zeeshan should move to a warmer climate
[19:27:21] <zeeshan> no
[19:27:24] <zeeshan> i actually missed this cold
[19:27:27] <zeeshan> it's finally properly cold
[19:27:30] <zeeshan> last year it was weak sauce cold
[19:27:39] <Tom_L> yeah we're gonna get it in a day or two
[19:27:46] <zeeshan> embrace it
[19:27:50] <zeeshan> who knows how long we'll have it for
[19:28:03] <Tom_L> it'll kill off the bugs
[19:28:09] <Wolf_> yeah warm here, -4C
[19:28:40] <zeeshan> -10c here , -16c with windchill
[19:28:52] <zeeshan> ice fishing might be early this year :D
[19:29:18] <Tom_L> you canucks are nuts
[19:29:20] <Wolf_> -9.4c is the low here tonight
[19:29:38] <Tom_L> 30 F... not too bad yet
[19:31:03] <andypugh> I will be working at -30C tomorrow.
[19:31:18] <zeeshan> andypugh: why
[19:31:26] <zeeshan> andypugh: you RQ on my last night!
[19:31:52] <andypugh> It’s my job. I sit in a car in a fridge and try to make it start and idle right.
[19:32:25] <andypugh> It’s OK when everything works. If I am struggling with the equipment then it can be an hour or so, and that’s too long
[19:33:01] <MacGalempsy> andypugh: do you wear a gas mask?
[19:33:13] <andypugh> You can tell it’s been too long when you walk back to the control room and your boots go “clack clacl clack” on the floor because the soles have frozen.
[19:33:26] <zeeshan> lol
[19:33:28] <Wolf_> I’m lost with this building Lcnc…
[19:33:39] <zeeshan> Wolf_: why
[19:33:41] <zeeshan> whats the prob
[19:34:01] <andypugh> MacGalempsy: We have extraction pipes on the exhaust.
[19:34:56] <Wolf_> did git clone and all, haven’t done check out, but I see something mentioned about ./configure --with-realtime=uspace but can’t figure out where to use it and then I do I get a no such file error
[19:35:05] <Tom_L> andypugh, how often are there problems starting?
[19:35:12] <zeeshan> why not just run the ISO?
[19:35:37] <Jymmm> andypugh: Just LICK the car and it'll start
[19:35:52] <Wolf_> same reason for the past 3 days, cause hardware won’t work with old crusty ISO kernel
[19:36:32] <andypugh> Tom_L: It’s going OK on this programme, but on pevious ones we have had real problems. Wierd things like the cold making seals suck air. But one of out engines years ago really did not like to run when it was cold, it would start OK then 10 seconds later start making a noise like a machine-gun.
[19:37:32] <Wolf_> super cold can do all sorts of weird things to engines
[19:38:52] <Tom_L> fate of a shuttle
[19:38:57] <Tom_L> seals
[19:38:59] <zeeshan> -30c isnt super cold :p
[19:40:51] <Jymmm> Wolf_: look in the configure file
[19:41:02] <andypugh> zeeshan: No, but it’s cold enough. We saw -45 one year in Finland. We had to put the cars in the fridges to keep them warm.
[19:41:43] <zeeshan> haha
[19:42:13] <andypugh> -30 is the coldest we state that the cars will start.
[19:42:34] <Wolf_ITX> hmm maybe I'm not so far off "Linux CNC-ITX1 4.8.14-rt9 #1 SMP PREEMPT RT Thu Dec 15 06:51:03 EST 2016 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux"
[19:42:59] <Jymmm> andypugh: How can you say that? antifreeze, batteries, etc
[19:43:20] <andypugh> The battery chemistry gets really sluggish aroind that temperature.
[19:51:05] <Wolf_> Jymmm: what/which configure file
[19:52:43] <Wolf_ITX> wait, nm
[19:56:52] <Wolf_ITX> your kernel '--with-realtime=uspace' is not known. There might be needed dependencies which won't get set automatically.
[19:56:52] <Wolf_ITX> successfully configured for 'LinuxMint-17.3'-'--with-realtime=uspace'..
[19:56:54] <Wolf_ITX> hmm
[20:04:25] <Wolf_> 100% sure I have no idea what I’m doing lol
[20:05:17] <Jymmm> Wolf_: Glad that you're 100% and not 101%
[20:20:33] <Wolf_ITX> is this close to right?
http://pastebin.com/E6mBywvj
[20:29:53] <fritzgutten> Hey
[20:35:23] <Wolf_ITX> what... debuild: fatal error at line 1364:dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -D -us -uc failed
[20:40:29] <dioz> am i fucking high?
[20:40:41] <Wolf_ITX> are you?
[20:41:45] <dioz> watching greys with the old lady
[20:41:45] <dioz> drunk
[20:41:45] <dioz> should be in the garage
[20:41:46] <dioz> but it's -30 and the garage isn't heated
[20:41:46] <dioz> FML
[20:52:59] <R2E4> evening
[20:53:38] <BeachBumPete> evening R2
[20:56:30] <MacGalempsy> anayone watch the laser videos on youtube? username styropyro
[20:58:43] <MacGalempsy> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYd0G_HZy_E
[21:20:57] <Wolf_> yay. finally figured it out, have lcnc running on the new build now
[21:27:54] <dioz> nice
[21:33:01] <Wolf_> now to wipe the thing and do it all over again lol
[21:35:41] <Duc1> which motherboard did you go with?
[21:35:52] <Wolf_> Q1900-ITX
[21:36:16] <MacGalempsy> Wolf_: how is the linuxmint working out?
[21:36:22] <Duc1> what finally cured your high jitter? If i remember right
[21:37:17] <Wolf_> actually, seems worse now lol, but I’m running cinnamon right now
[21:37:41] <CaptHindsight> what's worse?
[21:37:48] <CaptHindsight> latency? or?
[21:38:04] <Wolf_ITX> 4.8.14-rt9 #1 SMP PREEMPT RT, jitter at 92k ns
[21:40:50] <Duc1> Thought that chipset usually had good results?
[21:41:32] <Wolf_> I may have messed up on the kernel build, first time and I have been messing with it for a couple days
[21:43:20] <BeachBumPete> jeez man trying to decide what laptop to get for my oldest daugher for under 4 bills is gonna drive me crazy ;)
[21:44:03] <Duc1> on ebay or new?
[21:44:27] <BeachBumPete> new hopefully
[21:44:40] <BeachBumPete> probably off amazon so I can use the quick shipping prime stuff
[21:45:08] <BeachBumPete> https://www.amazon.com/Lenovo-Premium-Performance-Processor-Bluetooth/dp/B01LW0F62Q/ref=pd_cp_147_1?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B01LW0F62Q&pd_rd_r=E4EKCAY4T5HDGRJSEBVF&pd_rd_w=VB6Vd&pd_rd_wg=Qpd53&psc=1&refRID=E4EKCAY4T5HDGRJSEBVF
[21:45:14] <BeachBumPete> does this look decent to you?
[21:46:17] <Duc1> if she doesnt game it should be fine
[21:46:21] <Duc1> and how old
[21:46:32] <BeachBumPete> how old what?
[21:47:08] <Duc1> your daughter
[21:47:10] <BeachBumPete> the reviews on that one say it plays games pretty well apparently
[21:47:17] <BeachBumPete> shes 14
[21:47:24] <Duc1> should be fine
[21:47:40] <BeachBumPete> Im not even sure what is a good brand name anymore.
[21:47:50] <BeachBumPete> I understand lenovo is basically IBM no?
[21:48:00] <Wolf_> to be honest, I would get something cheaper lol
[21:48:10] <BeachBumPete> why?
[21:48:29] <BeachBumPete> she wants to learn coding and programming
[21:48:34] <Wolf_> teens can eat electronics
[21:48:37] <BeachBumPete> she is already working on it in school
[21:48:54] <BeachBumPete> true
[21:49:15] <tiwake> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuhF-Ok3djI
[21:49:27] <BeachBumPete> but she uses my wife's and sometimes my own laptop a lot and she has only managed to get the occasional virus on it.
[21:49:59] <Wolf_> and for coding/programming don’t need grunty cpu
[21:50:09] <Wolf_> well, for most things IMO
[21:50:21] <BeachBumPete> I would tend to agree
[21:50:50] <tiwake> Sheriff Joe Arpaio: Obama’s Birth Certificate is Forgery Press Conference 12/15/16
[21:50:55] <BeachBumPete> its nice that it has bluetooth and whatnot
[21:51:05] <BeachBumPete> tiwake I saw that earlier
[21:52:00] <Duc1> not sure the birth certificate even matters anymore
[21:52:01] <Wolf_> looks like the celeron dual cores are $200-260
[21:52:26] <BeachBumPete> yeah I had a celeron laptop once it was meh..
[21:52:31] <tiwake> Duc1: it does... everything he did was illegal
[21:52:42] <tiwake> very illegal
[21:53:21] <roycroft> convict joe is going to have a lot of time to spew conspiracy theories while he's spending his days in the calaboose
[21:53:23] <BeachBumPete> I think he means that he is almost out anyway so it does not really matter in the grand scheme aside from trying to prosecute
[21:53:37] <Duc1> at least he is gone
[21:54:18] <Wolf_> wouldnt that also nullify any thing he signed in to law/executive actions
[21:54:36] <tiwake> Wolf_: thats what it better mean
[21:55:16] <roycroft> there is a 0% chance that obama is not a natural born us citizen
[21:55:23] <BeachBumPete> I think I would want at least an i5
[21:55:39] <BeachBumPete> how ya figure?
[21:57:24] <roycroft> at any rate
[21:57:49] <roycroft> does anyone have an opinion of "the cnc cookbook" by e. hess?
[21:58:25] <roycroft> or a recommendation for some other book that's an introducuctory but fairly comprehensive treatise on cnc machining
[22:03:02] <tiwake> a lie travels around the world while the truth is just getting its bootstraps on
[22:25:11] <MacGalempsy> Wolf_: ldid you use the 32 bit or 64 bit version of linux mint?
[22:25:28] <Wolf_> 64
[22:26:05] <MacGalempsy> Wolf_: were you able to get linuxcnc 100% up and going with that info from JT?
[22:26:27] <Wolf_> sorta, some steps were missing
[22:26:36] <MacGalempsy> oh? like which parts?
[22:26:49] <MacGalempsy> i just tried to do it with the 32bit version and it did not work
[22:27:08] <Wolf_> http://www.wiki.eusurplus.com/index.php?title=LinuxCNC_Run_In_Place this helped
[22:27:31] <Wolf_> mostly used this thread
https://forum.linuxcnc.org/18-computer/31158-linux-mint-17-3-64-bit-uspace-preempt-rt?start=10 to do it
[22:28:55] <MacGalempsy> thanks, ill give it a shot with those
[22:39:52] <Tom_L> BeachBumPete, i've been using surface pro3's for a while now, they seem good
[22:40:18] <Tom_L> not me personally.. i'll stick with desktops
[22:42:15] <BeachBumPete> surface pro 3?
[22:43:15] <BeachBumPete> oh its a tablet
[22:43:34] <BeachBumPete> I think my wife said she needs/wants a traditional laptop format
[22:55:57] <roycroft> i have an ipad an a macbook pro
[22:56:05] <roycroft> also a nook e-ink reader
[22:56:07] <roycroft> i use them all often
[22:56:31] <roycroft> each of them is optimal for different things than the others
[22:58:10] <MacGalempsy> Wolf_: did you have your mesa card installed before loading linux mint, or does it matter?
[22:58:50] <Wolf_> planning on using a ethernet unit and don’t have it yet
