#linuxcnc | Logs for 2016-12-14

[02:06:17] <IchGucksLive> good morning from germay
[02:07:24] <IchGucksLive> still alot of fog outside hard to drive on road
[02:07:41] <IchGucksLive> have a nice Workday
[02:34:51] <Deejay> moin
[02:42:26] <enleth> bridgeport kinda works
[02:43:22] <enleth> it's still way too jerky on deceleration, stops the axes so hard the whole machine jerks a little
[02:44:02] <enleth> but it homes properly and follows the LinuxCNC logo test program
[02:44:03] <archivist> speed is over rated
[02:44:54] <archivist> slow stuff down to give it some margin
[02:45:13] <enleth> no, it's doing that on very slow speeds as well
[02:45:27] <enleth> I must have screwed something up in the tuning, still a long way to go there
[02:46:33] <archivist> there was some talk about jerk limitation a long while ago
[02:46:45] <enleth> BTW, I know what this machine should be capable of because the original control ran it up to 5000mm/min with no problems, although the acc/deceleration curves were noticeable at those speeds
[02:48:27] <enleth> the other important thing I have to do yet is dig into the HAL config and configure some non-standard behaviors this machine needs
[02:49:02] <enleth> as in, it requires an M-strobe pulse on an extra relay to actually start the spindle
[02:49:55] <enleth> and makes a distinction between "machine power enabled, MDI mode" and "machine power enabled, program running"
[02:50:26] <enleth> the latter cuts out jog joysticks, for example
[02:51:36] <archivist> part of that is in linuxcnc as normal, like you cannot jog in mdi
[02:52:18] <enleth> well, this one is more or less a vocabulary problem
[02:52:52] <enleth> the original control had a "manual" mode that provided jogging using the joysticks
[02:53:09] <enleth> "MDI" is actually a wrong term
[02:53:57] <enleth> long story short, there's two levels of "machine power on" state here
[02:54:01] <archivist> well axis as it stands, has not running, switched on and joggable, mdi and program running
[02:54:37] <archivist> similar set, but no relays
[02:55:00] <enleth> yeah, so I need to route that state out the 7i77's outputs
[02:55:17] <archivist> except for the machine on which is the function key
[02:55:46] <enleth> right now I'm using the machine on signal on two outputs, but it cuts out the joysticks
[02:56:31] <enleth> one of those should only be activated on the MDI tab or while a program is running - i.e. when the joysticks should not be active anyway
[02:56:42] <enleth> I realize they'd be ignored anyway
[02:56:53] <enleth> but bypassing those relays would be an enormous PITA
[02:57:22] <enleth> I'm just not touching that wiring if I can get around the problem in software
[02:58:07] <archivist> I think many attack the wiring with gusto :)
[02:58:34] <enleth> well, for one, it's neat, numbered and routed tightly and securely
[02:58:38] <enleth> no point touching it
[02:59:37] <enleth> and perhaps more importantly, I need to get the "handwheels engaged" signal into linuxcnc and somehow have it accept the axes being moved externally without faulting
[03:00:42] <enleth> haven't really though much about it yet or looked in the docs for some way to do it
[03:01:33] <enleth> it's not even a safety problem, engaging any handwheel will instantly inhibit all the servo drives *and* disconnect the motor contactors, all in hardware
[03:01:59] <enleth> but the poor sod tries to fix them moving "on their own" and faults
[03:02:31] <enleth> obviously, as the servo drives stop doing anything, and even if they tried, they couldn't
[03:05:52] <enleth> other than that - hook up the VFD to 7i77 to control the speed, maybe route voltage and current monitoring lines from servo drives to spare inputs to have some fancy monitoring
[03:05:58] <enleth> and not much more
[03:09:06] <archivist> you could put encoders where the handwheels are and let the servos do their job
[03:09:42] <enleth> that's kinda missing the point of handwheels
[03:09:57] <enleth> besides, they're already there
[03:10:31] <enleth> and the "you could" part involves ripping out half of the axis drivetrains and rebuilding them to remove the handwheels
[03:11:20] <archivist> :)
[03:11:22] <enleth> so, I'm afraid I'm going to politely reject that idea
[03:11:45] <enleth> again, that should be fixable in software somehow
[03:13:47] <enleth> actually, it would be also kind of nice to have linuxcnc use the axis brakes while it's not running a program, but powered on and ready for jogs
[03:14:16] <enleth> but that's just being fancy, like, because they're there
[03:14:46] <enleth> they're still going to get used when machining completely manually
[03:37:22] <pink_vampire> http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/attachments/f38/49590d1333282098-problems-wilton-machinist-vise-4-1-12-wilton-milling-2.jpg
[03:39:02] <FloppyDisk525> The mallet (I suppose not hammer) is nice. Quite the setup - good job!
[03:54:04] <pink_vampire> it look s like concrete cast in a tin can
[03:57:04] <sync> it is lead
[03:58:23] <FloppyDisk525> Certainly a tin can there, works for me... I'd just get one of them hammers/mallets from harbor freight...
[04:56:38] <pink_vampire> hi
[04:57:39] <XXCoder> hey whats up
[05:05:42] <jthornton> morning
[05:07:29] <XXCoder> hey
[05:21:14] <Deejay> huhu
[05:36:07] <Tom_L> 20 f
[05:36:26] <XXCoder> 65f in room here. your room 20f?
[05:37:06] <Tom_L> 68
[05:37:27] <XXCoder> 30f outside here. typical winter temperate
[05:37:47] <XXCoder> not surpised, being so near ocean here
[05:43:37] <jthornton> quite warm here this morning at 41F
[05:43:50] <pink_vampire> 32f here
[05:48:55] * jthornton is installing Ubuntu 16.04 Server...
[05:50:42] <pink_vampire> why not debian?
[05:51:19] <Deejay> ubuntu has newer packets
[05:51:38] * Deejay prefers ubuntu also
[05:53:40] <pink_vampire> any idea how ho take out bronze bushing
[05:54:30] <jthornton> blind hole?
[05:54:45] <pink_vampire> yes
[05:55:54] <archivist> make a shaft same as hole, fill with oil, hammer shaft in, hydraulic it out
[05:56:32] <jthornton> I was going to say grease but what archivist said
[05:57:20] <pink_vampire> it look like a press fit
[05:57:27] <pink_vampire> let me take a pic
[05:57:38] <archivist> also you can get blind bush pullers
[05:57:41] <gonzo_> hammer in hard!
[05:58:02] <archivist> http://www.trialscentral.com/forums/topic/23852-gearbox-blind-bearings-removal/
[05:59:56] <pink_vampire> it's very thin
[06:00:33] <archivist> that hardly matters
[06:01:35] <archivist> an O ring on the shaft you hydraulic it out with would help
[06:01:53] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/2aep7yF.png
[06:02:19] <pink_vampire> this is the one i want to replace ^
[06:03:08] <jthornton> that's not a blind hole
[06:03:25] <pink_vampire> i mean it's not
[06:03:37] <archivist> trivial to remove
[06:10:58] <SpeedEvil> Also 'take out' includes destructive.
[06:14:26] <pink_vampire> it has a bit or run out.
[06:14:38] <jthornton> Nginx lacks Apache's truly gargantuan ecosystem of add-on modules, but its efficiency and speed can't be beat. Chris Lea put it most succinctly when he said, "Apache is like Microsoft Word, it has a million options but you only need six. Nginx does those six things, and it does five of them 50 times faster than Apache."
[06:15:08] <archivist> but apache is not that slow!
[06:20:04] <SpeedEvil> Slow rather depends on context.
[06:22:16] <malcom2073> I'd say that niginx does 4 of the 6, but those 4 it does way faster
[06:22:26] <archivist> a lot of premature optimisation with websites, often not fixing the real problem
[06:23:04] <archivist> bloat, too many calls, slow JS
[07:02:59] <jthornton> interesting working on a computer via ssh
[07:28:57] <Tom_L> jthornton, using putty?
[07:32:08] <Tom_L> how do you change the default program that opens a file when you double click on it in debian?
[07:33:02] <jthornton> open with other and pick one
[07:33:06] <jthornton> putty?
[07:33:39] <Tom_L> i use putty on my win box to work on the server
[07:33:49] <Tom_L> that and winscp
[07:33:58] <jthornton> just ssh from this linuxmint pc
[07:34:20] <Tom_L> i did that when i moved all the files
[07:34:34] <jthornton> wow just restarted the server after upgrading via ssh
[07:35:08] <Tom_L> able to reconnect?
[07:35:23] <jthornton> yup
[07:36:13] <Tom_L> ok, i'm off
[07:36:20] <jthornton> later
[09:29:00] <pink_vampire> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUZ7R9HodXo
[09:29:08] <pink_vampire> this gut is just ...
[09:29:13] <pink_vampire> guy*
[09:29:59] <gregcnc> manual?
[09:31:22] <pink_vampire> all his tools are manual
[09:31:29] <pink_vampire> even the drill press
[09:31:40] <gregcnc> no CNC for you!
[09:32:04] <pink_vampire> yep
[09:47:07] <Wolf_> seems like way too much work lol
[10:23:10] <MacGalempsy> good day
[10:27:13] <MacGalempsy> anyone making anything yet (including a mess?)
[10:27:39] * JT-Shop2 is wiring in the shop2
[10:27:42] <Wolf_> making coffee
[10:28:09] <MacGalempsy> Wolf_: just got mine microwaved, i guess its time to come up with some ideas for xmas presents
[10:28:10] <Wolf_> and reading up on how to install mint
[10:28:21] <MacGalempsy> Wolf_: talk to JT-Shop2
[10:28:37] <MacGalempsy> he has a whole script (albeit I couldnt get it to work for me)
[10:29:19] <Wolf_> heh, I wouldnt even know what to do with a script… I’m a total linux noob
[10:30:00] <MacGalempsy> thats probably why I couldnt get it to work for me, however, others have confirmed it to work
[10:32:37] <Wolf_> I know I need a preemt-rt kernel and sorta want everything on the mobo to work so seems my choices are limited lol
[10:33:55] * JT-Shop2 will be back in a bit...
[10:34:21] <JT-Shop2> http://gnipsel.com/files/linuxmint/mint17.3.txt
[10:36:07] <Wolf_> that looks simple...
[10:50:14] <Wolf_> so does the edition make any difference other then the look of gui?
[10:52:13] <Wolf_> like Mint 17.3, cinnamon, KDE, MATE, Xfce
[11:02:02] <MacGalempsy> no idea
[11:18:26] <Wolf_> well, thats not helpful :P
[11:21:15] <CaptHindsight> what is it you want besides LCNC? A certain desktop?
[11:23:06] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: a puppy
[11:23:33] <CaptHindsight> http://puppylinux.org
[11:24:07] <Wolf_> CaptHindsight: LCNC is priority, looking good is a plus, just don’t know if the editions make a diff
[11:24:25] <archivist> https://susestudio.com/a/jyAG6q/kitten-linux
[11:24:41] <CaptHindsight> Debian can run any desktop
[11:25:32] <Wolf_> well, I’m focused on Mint 17.3, just need to know if desktop/edition matters
[11:26:03] <MacGalempsy> oh I forget which one he said would work
[11:26:08] <MacGalempsy> arent there a few options?
[11:26:19] <CaptHindsight> just how you access features and apps
[11:26:31] <CaptHindsight> MacGalempsy: work with LCNC?
[11:26:36] <Wolf_> yeah, there is 4 different editions… lol
[11:26:38] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: No, not puppylinux, a puppy... WOOF!
[11:26:58] <MacGalempsy> Wolf_: name them, it was a 32bit edition. I may remember
[11:27:12] <CaptHindsight> it should work with any desktop edition
[11:27:30] <Wolf_> cinnamon, KDE, MATE, Xfce
[11:27:36] <CaptHindsight> if it has a working kernel
[11:28:20] <CaptHindsight> now somebody can break some desktop edition so you'll have to test to be sure
[11:28:21] <Wolf_> that part I do somewhat understand lol, I know I need a Preempt-RT kernel
[11:28:42] <MacGalempsy> I think it was mate
[11:28:50] <MacGalempsy> not 100%
[11:29:05] <CaptHindsight> if you go exploring different editions you need to be able to fix problems that come up
[11:29:40] <CaptHindsight> think of the distro as en elegant traffic jam
[11:29:56] <CaptHindsight> you can't test everything
[11:30:09] <CaptHindsight> and even those with the best of intention may make mistakes
[11:30:15] <Wolf_> yup
[11:30:36] <CaptHindsight> often testing is just making sure what they typically run works
[11:30:42] <CaptHindsight> not every application
[11:31:52] <CaptHindsight> Wolf_: why don't you want to use the LCNC ISO?
[11:31:59] <CaptHindsight> are you unhappy with something?
[11:32:10] <CaptHindsight> or do you have very new hardware?
[11:32:23] <Wolf_> because it won’t load drivers for my video or wifi…
[11:32:31] <CaptHindsight> ah hardware
[11:32:40] <CaptHindsight> yeah you need a newer kernel
[11:32:48] <Wolf_> yeah new cutting edge 3yr old stuff
[11:33:03] <CaptHindsight> Wolf_: won't load or doesn't have the drivers?
[11:33:18] <Wolf_> both it seems
[11:33:28] <CaptHindsight> 2 different problems
[11:33:58] <Wolf_> yeah, wifi won’t load, video driver seems to be just not there
[11:34:01] <CaptHindsight> 1) missing drivers for newer hardware requires a more recent kernel
[11:34:21] <CaptHindsight> not loading drivers in the kernel is something else
[11:34:46] <CaptHindsight> what hardware is this?
[11:35:02] <Wolf_> Q1900-ITX
[11:35:59] <Wolf_> with a PCI: 8086:08B2 Intel Corporation Wireless 7260
[11:37:08] <Wolf_> Figured I would give Mint a shot seeing its somewhat documented https://forum.linuxcnc.org/18-computer/31158-linux-mint-17-3-64-bit-uspace-preempt-rt?start=10
[11:38:34] <CaptHindsight> https://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi#Installation
[11:39:01] <Wolf_> yeah, I tried the iwlwifi stuff already
[11:39:21] <CaptHindsight> and what happened?
[11:39:24] <Wolf_> some of the directions didn’t seem to work
[11:40:03] <CaptHindsight> it installs a repo, then a package, then a kernel module
[11:40:08] <Wolf_> iw isn’t giving me anything
[11:40:56] <MacGalempsy> you guys want to be programmers? check out this software cost! http://makinhole.com/SES_Licensing.htm
[11:41:48] <CaptHindsight> no thanks, I'd rather hold the wrong end of a soldering iron
[11:41:56] <Jymmm> NEVER EVER have/use/buy *ANY* software that requires a dongle.
[11:42:14] <MacGalempsy> it is what it is
[11:42:27] <Jymmm> it is shit
[11:42:40] <CaptHindsight> not exactly a lot of open source applications for that :)
[11:42:46] <MacGalempsy> none
[11:43:00] <Loetmichel_> Jymmm: unless that "dongle" is the external interface ;9
[11:43:13] <MacGalempsy> probably aladian HASP
[11:43:13] <FloppyDisk525> sometimes you have no choice on the dongle... Think AB PLCs - bleh, but you need a dongle (unless they changed that)...
[11:43:35] <Jymmm> Loetmichel_: Nope
[11:43:37] <MacGalempsy> the idea is to keep one license from becoming 100 licenses
[11:43:41] <Jymmm> Loetmichel_: not even then
[11:43:54] <CaptHindsight> MacGalempsy: what hardware does it control?
[11:44:07] <MacGalempsy> no hardware, just interpretation software
[11:45:01] <MacGalempsy> im trying to put a bid together for a 15 rig drilling program, and that is the software we'll endup buying
[11:45:07] <CaptHindsight> MacGalempsy: what and where is the data from?
[11:45:18] <Jymmm> Most require you to purchase a brand new license at full retail cost if the dongle is lost/damaged.
[11:45:20] <MacGalempsy> the data are from real-time drilling operations
[11:46:01] <CaptHindsight> sounds like magic reading through their site
[11:46:24] <MacGalempsy> it is the difference between making millions and nothing
[11:46:30] <MacGalempsy> well, losing millions
[11:47:37] <roycroft> does anyone know of din rail fuse holders that can take a bus bar on the feed side?
[11:47:54] <roycroft> the application would be 110vac, low (5a and less) amperage fuses
[11:48:07] <roycroft> a 12vdc automotive fuse block would work other than the voltage issue
[11:48:23] <CaptHindsight> Wolf_: have you asked about this in #debian?
[11:48:25] <roycroft> my din rail terminal blocks can take a bus bar in the center
[11:48:33] <roycroft> but that won't work for fuses, of course
[11:49:31] <Jymmm> roycroft: toss in a .22lr and it will
[11:49:50] <Wolf_> CaptHindsight: nope, pretty sure soon as I ask, the answer will be to use a newer kernel lol
[11:50:38] <CaptHindsight> looks like a newer kernel needs the modules anyway
[11:51:12] <CaptHindsight> I noticed problems with that wifi and Jessie
[11:51:18] <CaptHindsight> on the forums
[11:57:47] <CaptHindsight> some people had to follow the install twice
[11:58:26] <CaptHindsight> but since they didn't post what their errors were you don't know if the problem is the person or the drivers
[12:01:58] <Wolf_> yeah. same issue with the video driver, found same problem, but no answer/solution
[12:02:52] <CaptHindsight> often the problem is that the advanced user/dev knows how to do it but can't write a howto for someone new
[12:03:02] <CaptHindsight> so steps get skipped
[12:04:01] <CaptHindsight> get in car, race 500 laps, collect trophy might be the example for an Indy 500 driver
[12:09:58] <gregcnc> anyone been a part of a startup that went public or gain some value and was sold?
[12:15:43] <JT-Shop2> Wolf_: mate is the best behaved desktop, gnome is the most bloated
[12:16:25] <Wolf_> JT-Shop2: ok, I have mate downloaded, how about cinnamon?
[12:23:30] <IchGucksLive> hi all
[12:23:59] <IchGucksLive> tonight the yearly STARTREK event is on the University LIVE SIFI http://beuthbox.beuth-hochschule.de/engage/ui/live.html
[12:24:05] <IchGucksLive> join us
[12:24:15] <IchGucksLive> im off im in the tech room
[12:25:18] <JT-Shop2> Cinnamon IMHO is bloated too but not as bad as Gnome
[12:25:25] <CaptHindsight> Wolf_: if it's easier for you to just download and install different editions then try that
[12:26:01] <JT-Shop2> and Lxce is pretty light but not as easy to use as Mate again IMHO (I've tried them all several times)
[12:26:10] <Lasper_> can i use one switch as limit switches and home switch? trying it by just setting the property in the stepconf and homing causes program to stop at home since it hits the limit
[12:26:28] <MarkusBec> i like cinamon
[12:26:33] <MacGalempsy> I was hoping he would tell me which Star Trek Character he is dressing up as
[12:27:00] <MarkusBec> its nice than xfce and not as shity as (modern)gnome
[12:27:31] <Wolf_> well, guess I’ll give it a shot and see how it goes with cinnamon
[12:28:59] <JT-Shop2> Lasper_: yes, you probably have the home direction(s) wrong
[12:29:47] <Lasper_> since it starts to look for home, finds it, sets axis home and then fires the limit switch
[12:30:00] <Lasper_> and powers it off
[12:30:33] <Lasper_> but ill have to take a look at the directions next time at the machine
[12:31:25] <JT-Shop2> oh in that case you may not have enough home offset
[12:32:47] <Lasper_> okay, i assume it is 0 as i have only configured through stepconf and i cant recall such an option there
[12:33:54] <Tom_L> itchy wiring all done...
[12:36:24] <Lasper_> should i use HOME_IGNORE_LIMITS ?
[12:39:12] <JT-Shop2> yes
[12:39:57] <CaptHindsight> MacGalempsy: things look pretty good next year for the fracking and drilling industry
[12:40:06] <Lasper_> the manual says i should also case connect the limit switch signal to the home switch input in HAL, how do i do that
[12:40:53] <CaptHindsight> MacGalempsy: I bet used CNC machines will be popular again
[12:42:14] <JT-Shop2> Lasper_: look in your hal file for home and limit and see what you have now for each axis
[13:44:31] <Lasper_> have to check that next time at the workshop, at home now
[13:44:39] <Lasper_> but thanks for the tips
[15:16:43] <Jymmm> is there such a thing as a sight glass/tube for propane/welding gases?
[15:19:20] <jdh> argon/he/etc are gases
[15:19:36] <andypugh> Jymmm: to see the level?
[15:19:49] <jdh> you could add a sight glass and see invisible gas
[15:20:05] <andypugh> I think when people care they use scales. How much are cheap bathroom scales
[15:20:45] <andypugh> For gaseous gases you can use pressure as a proxy for volume.
[15:20:50] <Jymmm> andypugh: I'm tyring to determine if there are contaminants in some propane tanks I have.
[15:20:59] <andypugh> Ah
[15:21:37] <andypugh> Fun: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Z-KbcLs-yo&t=243s
[15:23:19] <Jymmm> One heater was fully clogged and stopped working. I'm trying to confirm if it's a) plasticizrs leaching from the hose or b) contaminants in the tanks
[15:23:39] <andypugh> Endoscope?
[15:24:00] <andypugh> (one would need to empty the tank first, of course
[15:24:05] <Jymmm> it's full of liquid propane
[15:24:28] <Jymmm> and I wold have to break the seal, basically destroing the tank
[15:25:38] <Jymmm> Just if I could install inline a sight glass/tube it would be great, just never seen one for flammable gasses
[15:29:00] <jdh> seems unwise to do so indoors.
[15:29:50] <Jymmm> It be outdoors connected to the tank. The hose would run inddors.
[15:30:25] <jdh> it is low pressure after the reg. pretty much anything would hold.
[15:30:26] <Jymmm> I always keep propane tanks (>1lb) outside
[15:30:57] <Jymmm> jdh: In this case, there is no regulator, it's all high pressure.
[15:31:28] <jdh> still only 200psi or so
[15:31:47] <Wolf_> what? never seen any LP appliance that runs off direct line pressure
[15:31:59] <jdh> me either
[15:32:31] <Jymmm> jdh: I still need a "clear" tube that can be sealed and have some pipe thread.
[15:32:47] <Wolf_> usually its 3-5psi, iirc its usually water column measurements
[15:32:58] <jdh> do they make filters?
[15:33:29] <jdh> you have rubber hose with tank pressure?
[15:33:37] <Jymmm> jdh: 2016-12-14.12:54:39 Jymmm: One heater was fully clogged and stopped working. I'm trying to confirm if it's a) plasticizrs leaching from the hose or b) contaminants in the tanks
[15:34:15] <Jymmm> jdh: Yes, rated at 300PSI rubber hose
[15:34:41] <Jymmm> But, has anyoen seen a sight glass for propane?
[15:35:05] <Wolf_> no, its clear gas so won’t see anything
[15:36:01] <Wolf_> usually there are crap trap drops in the LP plumbing inside, I think you can get inline filters as well just to catch dirt
[15:36:57] <Wolf_> I’ve briefly looked in to LP plumbing, haven’t gotten to that point on the house restoration though
[15:42:17] <Wolf_> IMO I wouldnt mess with the propane lines and hire a licensed fitter to fix it. Leak with heavier then air explosive gas would make for a bad day
[15:42:30] <sync> andypugh: I think I finally conquered the reciprocal space
[15:54:32] <Nick-Shop> I hit a program hangup on g96 which means spindle isn't sync'd. I thought it was. Here are my axis files http://pastebin.com/UScemZQu
[15:58:33] <rob_h> check the hal file, maybe encoder is not linked properly
[15:58:49] * JT-Shop2 thinks he just ordered a fill valve for the 300 gallon propane tank
[15:59:11] <rob_h> y think
[15:59:45] <JT-Shop2> they took my order, I was afraid they might not sell to just anyone
[16:00:31] <Nick-Shop> no encoder - resolver
[16:01:22] <rob_h> linuxcnc needs to have right inputs hooked to know how to do CSS or tapping etc for what ever the feedback is
[16:01:35] <rob_h> you guys have that problem there then?
[16:02:18] <JT-Shop2> it's not bad in rural Missouri
[16:09:54] <Nick-Shop> thats why I posted the ini and hal files - hope someone can spot the problem
[16:11:14] <andypugh> sync: Now imagine living there. Things like rows of railing look totally different.
[16:15:01] <Nick-Shop> really screwed - won't do a G1 move either
[16:16:32] <Jymmm> JT-Shop2: To FIL the 300lb tank, or to fil smaller tanks from the 300lb tank?
[16:18:48] <JT-Shop2> the fill valve the truck uses to fill it up, the screwed up the seal last time and I lost most of the propane...
[16:20:24] <andypugh> Nick-Shop: G1 is held unto spindle-at-speed is set.
[16:21:41] <Jymmm> JT-Shop2: did they not notice? They should replace the propane then
[16:21:58] <rob_h> check with the hal signals to see if you are reading your resolver ok
[16:22:02] <JT-Shop2> I guess not
[16:22:47] <Jymmm> JT-Shop2: This is the PERFECT stuff for checking leaks https://www.dollartree.com/20-oz-Totally-Awesome-Cleaner/p8056/index.pro
[16:22:48] <JT-Shop2> Nick-Shop: did you read the example for spindle sync motion in the manual?
[16:23:09] <Jymmm> JT-Shop2: They sell a refill bottle too
[16:23:43] <Jymmm> JT-Shop2: and it's actually a pretty good cleaner too.
[16:24:29] <rob_h> fairy liquid and water always good at finding the leaks too
[16:24:53] <Jymmm> nice and sudsy when spraying on fittings. Caught a very slow leak for me being so concentrated
[16:25:11] <Jymmm> rob_h: no fairies here
[16:25:49] <Jymmm> I actually keep a bottle with each appliance it's cheap enough
[16:27:41] <Jymmm> rob_h: so what is this fairy liquid you speak of?
[16:28:00] <rob_h> for washing plates etc ask the wife
[16:29:52] <Jymmm> rob_h: dishwasing liquid. Yeah, I have a bottle of that too, but this is fair simpler and JUST the right concentrate
[16:29:53] <rob_h> its prob close to the thing you was talking about i bet just fairy is UK brand so guess not there
[16:31:22] <Jymmm> The issue with dishwashing liquid is that you can't alwasy get the concentration right. For $1 you get a spray bottle and the right cncentration.
[16:34:03] <Jymmm> rob_h: I change out propane tanks/hose frequently enough that having it convient works for me =)
[16:34:23] <Wolf_> cheaper then the $11 stuff from HVAC supply house
[16:39:30] <andypugh> Has anyone found a use for the threaded holes in 123 blocks?
[16:39:49] <andypugh> I feel I must be missing something
[16:41:09] <Deejay> gn8
[16:41:43] <Wolf_> use as a make shift fixture plate maybe?
[16:42:06] <sync> andypugh: yeah, it'd be pretty strange
[16:44:20] <JT-Shop2> I've wondered the same thing Andy
[16:45:17] <Jymmm> It be nice if you could use them to bolt the blocks together
[16:45:26] <Jymmm> , but Nooooooooooooooooooo
[16:45:36] <andypugh> Aye, the hole stagger is wrong
[16:46:28] <rob_h> use them on the measuring machines abit with clamps made to hold things while you probe and check
[16:46:57] <rob_h> just pain if you get the cheap blocks from MSC and it has crazy imperial threads... watch out for that
[16:48:20] <gregcnc> andypugh http://www.dieselrc.com/projects/fs40bigbore/003.jpg
[16:48:30] <Jymmm> rob_h: When you want to build a wall, what do you buy for framing it at the hardware store?
[16:49:10] <andypugh> gregcnc: For bolting things to your, err, dog plate?
[16:49:35] <gregcnc> it worked
[16:50:02] <andypugh> Just commenting that that isn’t actually a face-plate :-)
[16:50:17] <gregcnc> eh, I faced it so it is now
[16:50:31] <MacGalempsy> looks like jerry rigged 123 blocks
[16:50:38] <rob_h> a nail gun Jymmm ?
[16:50:52] <gregcnc> I don't have a real one, and they are not common for the 10" clausing
[16:50:56] <andypugh> I am wondering about sacrificing my drive-plate into a chuch backplate
[16:51:32] <andypugh> gregcnc: What nose thread? I have a mystey face-plate
[16:51:42] <gregcnc> 1.75"-8
[16:52:11] <Jymmm> gregcnc: I mean what size lumber typically?
[16:52:31] <andypugh> gregcnc: Pity: I have a 10" faceplate from an unknown lathe. The thread is 2 in x
[16:52:32] <andypugh> 8tpi, with a 2in x 0.5 register at the back and possibly a second 1
[16:52:33] <andypugh> 3/4 register at the front.
[16:52:41] <gregcnc> jymmm 1.75-8 is my spindle nose thread
[16:53:08] <Jymmm> JT-Shop2: If you rent that 300lb tank, it is their responsability to maintain it, including making sure nothign leaks and to replace contents if it does.
[16:53:19] <Jymmm> gregcnc: lumber?
[16:53:19] <gregcnc> One day I'll find a 1.5-8 faceplate with a thick spigot and rethread it
[16:54:23] <gregcnc> I rethreaded one for a chuck, no problem
[16:55:23] <gregcnc> jymmm don't they have 2x4's in your town?
[16:57:37] <Tom_L> Jymmm, that cleaner smells like crap
[16:57:40] <JT-Shop2> probably so jymmm
[16:58:07] <Tom_L> it does clean stuff though
[16:58:08] <gregcnc> that cleaner also has lye in it, iirc
[16:58:21] <Tom_L> i believe it, it's got a strong odor
[17:01:03] <Jymmm> Tom_L: it has a plsant order, not sure what your taking about.
[17:01:15] <Jymmm> gregcnc: aren't you in the UK ?
[17:01:21] <gregcnc> chicago
[17:01:26] <Jymmm> gregcnc: ah
[17:01:30] <gregcnc> forking freezing
[17:01:35] <Tom_L> it's strong
[17:01:38] <Jymmm> heh, I know that one.
[17:02:15] <Jymmm> JT-Shop2: BTW, are you really getting propane for $1.50/gallon?
[17:02:48] <JT-Shop2> yea
[17:03:02] <Jymmm> JT-Shop2: HOW?! That's dirt cheap
[17:03:30] <Jymmm> Residential pricing here is ~$2.20/gal
[17:03:54] <Jymmm> Retail about $3.50/gal
[17:03:56] <Tom_L> cause you're in Califor n i a
[17:04:06] <Kalov> hi, i have mach3 controller board, i wondered how mach3 sends the signals trought the lpt port, i want to program software/algoritms of my own to control the motors, any one has experience in that?
[17:04:24] <MacGalempsy> what is standard propane tank? 20lbs?
[17:04:29] <Tom_L> this isn't a mach3 channel
[17:04:42] <MacGalempsy> :O
[17:04:49] <Jymmm> Kalov: Download LinuxCNC and install it over mach.
[17:04:57] <gregcnc> it's not a propane channel either?
[17:04:58] <JT-Shop2> I call and say I need my tanks filled that's how
[17:05:00] <Kalov> Jymmm, will my board still to the work
[17:05:02] <Wolf_> normal bbq tank is 20lb
[17:05:10] <JT-Shop2> I also only fill during the month of October
[17:05:27] <MacGalempsy> one fill up around here is $18-20
[17:05:28] <Jymmm> JT-Shop2: Oh,, so once a year or so
[17:05:50] <Wolf_> …I think I managed to get new kernel cooking
[17:05:53] <Jymmm> Wolf_: MacGalempsy We're taking 250gal and up sized tanks
[17:06:04] <Wolf_> so, small ones?
[17:06:50] <Wolf_> at one point I was looking at buying a 1500 tank
[17:07:37] <Wolf_> but I’ll probably stick with 2x 100lb tanks, I can get them filled for $87
[17:09:56] <sync> when you buy argon liquid you know you are using a lot ;)
[17:10:03] <Wolf_> lol
[17:11:40] <Wolf_> worst thing on my shopping list right now is getting a can of r410a
[17:14:54] <JT-Shop2> finally got everything ready to run wires and now I too pooped to run wire
[17:15:39] <JT-Shop2> I asked my buddy that owns a large machine shop and he very seldom uses the tapped holes in 123 blocks
[17:33:26] <Jymmm> Wolf_: Just call Hank... http://www.possumliving.com/2012/08/propane-refrigerant-for-automotive-air.html
[17:35:08] <Wolf_> yeah… thats not going to work in a r410a system that runs at up to 600-700 psi IIRC
[17:44:57] <sync> you can just push it in there
[17:45:00] <sync> it'll work
[17:45:20] <Wolf_> lol sure…
[17:45:41] <Wolf_> charge it with liquid propane
[17:51:10] <sync> it is not as efficient as all the pressures are wrong but eh
[17:53:32] <Wolf_> so what if it might burn the compressor out right?
[17:54:18] <Wolf_> also my r410a system is a heat pump, not just a/c
[17:57:36] <sync> as long as the oil is soluble in the refrigerant you are good
[17:58:00] <sync> and propane iirc works well with all of them iirc
[18:00:07] <Wolf_> brand new $8k setup, I think I’ll go with what the system was designed for lol
[18:01:18] <sync> sure, that's the best thing to do, but still
[18:01:35] <sync> I guess they are worried about stuff exploding
[18:01:41] <sync> because every fridge runs r600a
[18:01:44] <sync> which is propane
[18:01:46] <Wolf_> neat to know that it would sorta work
[18:02:28] <Wolf_> might have something to do with efficiency ratings on the unit
[18:04:38] <sync> yes the COP will suck
[18:04:44] <sync> as you cannot get the massflow
[18:05:09] <Wolf_> http://www.ecomfort.com/Mitsubishi-MXZ-5C42NAHZ/p30756.html is the outside unit for what I’m messing with
[18:08:02] <Wolf_> how long does a kernel build typically take?
[18:08:43] <Wolf_> starting to wonder if I did something wrong
[18:11:03] <sync> that depends on your machine
[18:12:41] <Wolf_> been running little over a hour now
[18:24:52] <andypugh> sync: Have you seen the gas-fridge cycle? Really clever
[18:25:06] <sync> yes, that one is neat
[18:26:17] <andypugh> If anyone else is interested: http://www.solarmirror.com/www_jul01/fridge.html
[18:26:50] <andypugh> ammonia, water and hydrogen all bubbling around together, with no moving parts
[18:27:59] <Wolf_> cool, so in theory you could cool a building using a solar oven outside :D
[18:28:09] <andypugh> Yes
[18:28:14] <sync> not only in theory
[18:29:24] <sync> sadly ammonia is not a preferred refrigerant anymore
[18:29:38] <Wolf_> wonder how hard that would be to build/setup/maintain
[18:29:41] <andypugh> Though PV and a conventional aircon might be more effective
[18:29:49] <sync> it works so well and has not a lot going against it
[18:30:34] <Wolf_> hmm 1.5hrs build still going
[18:32:28] <Wolf_> I wonder how much extra stuff is in this build that I could have removed…
[18:43:41] <Wolf_> yup, I think I’m building with just about everything included
[18:43:49] <Wolf_> oops...
[18:46:59] <Wolf_> and only one core running at max.. seems I have a lot to learn on this stuff
[19:02:31] <andypugh> Wolf_: I tend to forget to use more than one core.
[19:03:36] <tiwake> sync: my dad had an old ammonia freezer back in the day
[19:03:41] <Wolf_> I blame pcw, https://forum.linuxcnc.org/forum/27-driver-boards/27253-7i80-and-7i77?start=180#62783 is what I was going off of
[19:04:03] <tiwake> sync: propane should be pretty good though
[19:05:20] <dioz> yo
[19:05:29] <dioz> any of you old men know how to measure and cut pipe?
[19:05:36] <dioz> assuming it's threaded
[19:05:39] <dioz> lets say... gas pipe
[19:05:41] <dioz> black iron
[19:05:51] <Wolf_> I use to…
[19:06:23] <dioz> lets assume you have couplers... how do you measure how much you're gonna be able to spin with them pipe wrenches?
[19:06:46] <dioz> i mean how much thread
[19:07:24] <Wolf_> that I forget lol
[19:07:42] <Wolf_> I did that back in ’96 been a while
[19:08:27] <malcom2073> There's documentation on the internet (used ot have a 3x5 card with it), that tells you how far up each size of thread you can expect for pipe thread
[19:08:54] <Wolf_> I did some plumbing work recently, I came pretty close to getting the tig and just welding the shit
[19:09:11] <malcom2073> Wolf_: You should check out pex. That shit is amazing
[19:09:21] <Wolf_> it is
[19:09:28] <Wolf_> I use that as well
[19:09:56] <Wolf_> but was doing stainless for the pump and well tank manifold
[19:10:03] <malcom2073> Ah yeah
[19:10:32] <Wolf_> which is now dripping in a few spots cause I couldn’t get it tight enough
[19:10:36] <malcom2073> My current filtration system is all soldered copper, I need to re-do it
[19:11:51] <Wolf_> I’m doing home run pex setup in the house
[19:12:54] <Jymmm> JT-Shop2: What are you using propane for?
[19:13:43] <dioz> malcom2073: pex for water lines not gas
[19:13:49] <dioz> i assume you know that
[19:13:58] <dioz> blue red and white
[19:14:02] <malcom2073> Didn't read that far up :)
[19:14:23] <dioz> yah man and the "penis expander"
[19:14:25] <dioz> with the couplers
[19:14:35] <dioz> stretch it, set it, forget it
[19:14:47] <Wolf_> I’m looking at some flex stuff for the LP lines I need to install
[19:15:01] <dioz> the flex stuff with the yellow outer coating
[19:15:03] <dioz> idk what it's called
[19:15:08] <dioz> flexible gas line
[19:15:12] <malcom2073> I have a roll of that flex stuff
[19:15:23] <malcom2073> Want to run my grill and generator off NG
[19:15:36] <malcom2073> Haven't gotten around to getting a buddy who knows wtf he's doing to install it for me heh, I don't mess with gas
[19:15:54] <Wolf_> pro-flex
[19:16:12] <Wolf_> CSST pipe
[19:16:13] <malcom2073> Yeah
[19:16:19] <Jymmm> http://www.irv2.com/forums/f59/learned-something-new-today-about-propane-2532-2.html
[19:16:42] <Jymmm> be aware of plasticizers and tailings
[19:16:44] <dioz> malcom2073: gas isn't that big a deal
[19:17:12] <Jymmm> http://www.ebay.com/itm/HIGH-QUALITY-PRO-FLEX-CSST-GAS-INSTALL-KIT-/281765515993
[19:17:30] <malcom2073> It's not worth the risk to me. Water leak I can detect, gas leak not so much, I leave that to friends that own sniffers :)
[19:17:40] <dioz> bubble water
[19:17:48] <Wolf_> just leak test is with nitrogen
[19:17:53] <Wolf_> is/it
[19:18:03] <malcom2073> Wolf_: Be cheaper to get my buddy over than to buy the stuff to do that :-P
[19:18:04] <Jymmm> malcom2073: gas leak detecter https://www.dollartree.com/20-oz-Totally-Awesome-Cleaner/p8056/index.pro
[19:18:17] <malcom2073> Jymmm: I've not had good luck with that method
[19:18:20] <Wolf_> I have a nitrogen setup if you need :D
[19:18:25] <dioz> just use bubbles
[19:18:28] <dioz> soap and water
[19:18:35] <SpeedEvil> Or helium leak detector if you really need to :)
[19:18:41] <malcom2073> I've seen no bubbles, then had one of them electronic detectors pick up some.
[19:18:45] <Wolf_> was cheaper to get all the HVAC gear then to pay someone to install the stuff
[19:19:06] <dioz> you runnin h2s or something?
[19:19:18] <malcom2073> regular natural gas
[19:19:25] <Wolf_> my sniffer only works with older r22…
[19:19:31] <SpeedEvil> Wolf_: yeah - I have the bits for similar reasons
[19:19:38] <dioz> natural gas smells
[19:19:40] <FloppyDisk525> just got done welding some galvanized steel like I always do... fumes smell nice...
[19:19:41] <dioz> you'd smell that shit
[19:19:59] <Jymmm> FloppyDisk525: <-- dumbass
[19:20:06] <malcom2073> You'd think so
[19:20:22] <malcom2073> Wait, dioz changed his nickname to FloppyDisk525? :-P
[19:20:49] <Jymmm> malcom2073: "...welding some galvanized..."
[19:21:08] <malcom2073> Jymmm: Hence my comment
[19:21:19] <dioz> apparently welding galv WILL kill you
[19:21:30] <dioz> nevermind the fact that it's been done for a long time
[19:21:48] <malcom2073> Many things will kill you if done improperly
[19:21:49] <dioz> but who huffs their welding fumes anyways?
[19:22:35] <malcom2073> I need to get off my ass and actually finish this router I've been designing for the last year
[19:22:35] <Jymmm> "Zinc Poisoning Symptoms may be signs of serious neurological problems " Well, that actually explains a LOT of things
[19:23:13] <dioz> now... the key word there is "may"
[19:23:19] <dioz> i think you'd need additional cites
[19:23:24] <dioz> in the eyes of any millenial
[19:23:35] <dioz> but hey
[19:23:37] <Jymmm> the hell I do
[19:23:37] <dioz> HEY
[19:23:57] <dioz> i bet you're a top knotch citizen ;]
[19:24:06] <Jymmm> bite me
[19:24:20] <Jymmm> dioz: how flexiaable is CSST?
[19:24:35] <malcom2073> Not especially
[19:24:55] <dioz> how do you get into "admin" mode on a cisco router/switch ?
[19:25:05] <malcom2073> dioz: enable?
[19:25:10] <dioz> how many tcp ports are there?
[19:25:20] <malcom2073> Or are you two poking fun at each other?
[19:25:20] <dioz> name 2 services that operate over udp
[19:25:24] <malcom2073> in some weird kinky way?
[19:26:18] <Jymmmm> bah, dumb internetz
[19:26:27] <dioz> blame the internet
[19:26:29] <Jymmmm> anyne sayi anything?
[19:26:40] <malcom2073> Nope
[19:26:48] <Jymmmm> ok...
[19:26:52] <dioz> fuck i wanna metal lathe though
[19:26:57] <dioz> i need to learn to thread some pipe though
[19:26:57] <Jymmmm> dioz: how flexiable is CSST?
[19:27:25] <dioz> Jymmmm: idk. i doubt as flexible as your old man dick
[19:28:05] <Jymmmm> dioz: O_o
[19:28:19] <dioz> i'm calling you flacid
[19:28:41] <dioz> considering your age
[19:28:45] <Jymmmm> dioz: I'm just wondering why you are being a ________
[19:28:48] <malcom2073> Jymmm: It's not very flexible
[19:28:56] <malcom2073> The bend radius on the stuff I have is like 16"
[19:28:58] <Jymmmm> malcom2073: you have/used some?
[19:29:09] <Jymmmm> malcom2073: diameter?
[19:29:10] <malcom2073> I've not used it yet, but I have a small roll of it
[19:29:12] <malcom2073> Jymmm: Yeah
[19:29:15] <malcom2073> sorry ,diameter
[19:29:31] <Jymmmm> malcom2073: what diam? 1/2" 1"
[19:29:32] <malcom2073> though the rolls I see online look much smaller
[19:29:38] <Jymmmm> 3/8"
[19:29:57] <malcom2073> I think the stuff I have might be 3/4?
[19:30:09] <Jymmmm> k
[19:30:10] <malcom2073> That kit you linked looks like it's in a 12" diameter roll
[19:30:23] <malcom2073> But it holds its shape when you bend it
[19:30:35] <dioz> Jymmmm: i'd say a 10 inch radius would be pretty tight
[19:30:38] <dioz> if that makes sense
[19:30:56] <dioz> 8 inch maybe
[19:31:21] <Jymmmm> malcom2073: Well, if your mucking with propane, make sure to have a trap or filter
[19:31:43] <dioz> Jymmmm: do you know how big a trap you need for oils?
[19:31:52] <dioz> how often do you check your traps?
[19:32:07] <malcom2073> Jymmmm: Does that matter for NG? I don't do propane
[19:32:14] <dioz> NG needs traps
[19:32:16] <dioz> by code
[19:32:30] <dioz> but i've never really seen anything in them
[19:32:34] <dioz> even old retrofits
[19:33:11] <malcom2073> huh, a quick google shows something that I've definently not seen on mine
[19:33:29] <dioz> it's usually just a T with a inch or two down and a cap
[19:33:33] <Jymmmm> malcom2073: gas sediment trap, one per appliance https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iy2AK-P_lzkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iy2AK-P_lzk
[19:33:35] <dioz> to catch oil
[19:33:39] <Jymmmm> malcom2073: gas sediment trap, one per appliance https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iy2AK-P_lzk
[19:34:00] <malcom2073> Yeah I just watched that heh, my furnace and water heater don't have one
[19:34:10] <malcom2073> How old is the concept? My setup is 20+ years old
[19:34:19] <dioz> way newer than 20+ years
[19:34:36] <Jymmmm> malcom2073: it's now code in many places as I just found out today
[19:34:44] <dioz> you guys must have me on ignore
[19:35:05] <malcom2073> Hmm, good to know
[19:35:07] <malcom2073> dioz: Nope
[19:35:28] <Jymmmm> malcom2073: Simple enough solution, make the tail end 3" minimum
[19:35:43] <dioz> check your local codes
[19:35:44] <dioz> IMO
[19:35:59] <dioz> in that video that buddy just linked
[19:36:04] <dioz> that seems like a fuck load of trap
[19:36:05] <dioz> IMO
[19:36:14] <dioz> fuck load = a lot
[19:36:38] <malcom2073> http://i901.photobucket.com/albums/ac216/Rockyriver1234/21E3DD93-1381-4543-BD08-0AA579D7660C-20433-000024D647A502EE_zps0a41d98f.jpg
[19:36:48] <malcom2073> That's not mine, but what I want to do
[19:37:19] <dioz> yah that looks about normal. depends what size unit you're gassing though
[19:37:43] <dioz> quick release is nice but they can leak
[19:37:49] <malcom2073> Hence the valve?
[19:37:58] <Jymmmm> malcom2073: your gen runs on NG NOW?
[19:38:14] <dioz> by code you have to valve each appliance
[19:38:15] <malcom2073> Jymmmm: Yeah, I converted it to LPG/NG last year
[19:38:31] <Jymmmm> malcom2073: it does LP too?
[19:38:35] <Tom_L> what size engine?
[19:38:38] <malcom2073> Jymmmm: Yeah, it's got a regulator for each
[19:38:45] <malcom2073> Tom_L: Tiny, 10hp
[19:38:58] <Tom_L> where'd you get the kit?
[19:39:18] <Tom_L> i really don't use mine often enough to convert it though
[19:39:37] <malcom2073> Tom_L: US Carburation. Back when they sold metal venturi units rather than the new plastic stuff
[19:39:41] <Tom_L> my bud has a 15kw one he's got on propane
[19:39:45] <malcom2073> Tom_L: Mine can run off gas too
[19:40:08] <Wolf_> not using the generator often is the reason to convert it, damn thing will actually work when you need it
[19:40:09] <malcom2073> It's venturi based. I close the liquid fuel inlet valve to the carb, open the valve for gas
[19:40:15] <malcom2073> Wolf_: +1
[19:40:22] <malcom2073> It's a 1970's generator
[19:40:37] <Wolf_> I have a cheap LP 7.5kw
[19:40:45] <dioz> what do you use them for?
[19:40:51] <dioz> do you live in alaska or something?
[19:40:52] <dioz> NWT?
[19:40:55] <Tom_L> it actually starts really easy
[19:41:02] <malcom2073> I lose power about a week or two during the winter, and usually a week in the summer
[19:41:04] <Tom_L> i run it every so often to make sure
[19:41:09] <dioz> malcom2073: so you live in NWT ?
[19:41:15] <malcom2073> I'm inbetween power zones, so when wind or ice hits, I'm the last to get power back
[19:41:25] <Jymmmm> Wolf_: I've learn how to "drain" the gasoline from the cabr, etc for stoarage of my gen
[19:41:39] <Wolf_> 5kw thats at my mom’s won’t run, stupid gas
[19:41:50] <malcom2073> Yeah I hate small gasoline engines
[19:41:51] <dioz> you guys seen those propane light fixtures?
[19:41:54] <Tom_L> i switch the gas out every so often too
[19:41:57] <malcom2073> dioz: No?
[19:42:03] <Tom_L> burn the crap in the car and refill it
[19:42:05] <Jymmmm> Wolf_: do you clear the fuel lines before storing?
[19:42:11] <dioz> malcom2073: indoor gas lights
[19:42:12] <malcom2073> gaseous fuel motors are so awesome for storage
[19:42:14] <malcom2073> dioz: I've not
[19:42:22] <Tom_L> Jymmmm i shut the valve off and let it run dry
[19:42:27] <dioz> malcom2073: IE. http://propanedepot.ca/products/propane-lights/
[19:42:35] <dioz> it was first hit on google so i linked it
[19:42:37] <dioz> but they do exist
[19:42:39] <malcom2073> Interesting
[19:42:40] <Wolf_> Jymmmm: its at mom’s so no, it got forgotten for 4 yrs lol
[19:42:48] <Jymmmm> Wolf_: ah
[19:43:22] <Jymmmm> Tom_L Yeah, I can just unplug a connector to let the pump "purge" and it takes about 4 minutes then finally shuts down
[19:43:36] <Wolf_> sad part is that its a Yamaha so it cost 3x what my 7.5kw did
[19:44:03] <malcom2073> https://scontent.fphl2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/10604545_951754311505617_7225824741237792840_o.jpg?oh=fb2b7ed5ff5d6638584d431b2a2c2665&oe=58B3450B
[19:44:04] <Jymmmm> Wolf_: Then my Honda EU2000i is like 200000x =)
[19:44:04] <malcom2073> My generator
[19:44:29] <Wolf_> 5kw yamaha is $$$
[19:45:03] <Jymmmm> 2KW Honda is $1200, put it's inverter too
[19:45:07] <Tom_L> malcom2073 i had a welder that looked about that vintage
[19:45:16] <Jymmmm> but*
[19:45:17] <dioz> my question is where do you guys store these units?
[19:45:21] <malcom2073> Tom_L: 1970 something
[19:45:23] <malcom2073> dioz: In my garage
[19:45:32] <Tom_L> maybe older...
[19:45:44] <Tom_L> rope start with no recoil :)
[19:45:49] <malcom2073> Hah nice
[19:46:11] <Tom_L> i finally parted with it
[19:46:15] <malcom2073> This one uses the generator motor to start the engine
[19:46:19] <malcom2073> very smooth and quiet starting
[19:46:47] <Jymmmm> malcom2073: ....THEN loud as FSCK!!!
[19:46:51] <Wolf_> my 7.5kw was >$800 delivered
[19:46:57] <malcom2073> Jymmmm: haha, it needs a muffler :-P
[19:47:00] <Wolf_> oops < then
[19:47:05] <malcom2073> Which is great, unless you let it sit for a year and then the internals demagnitize
[19:47:08] <zeeshan> vfd?
[19:48:09] <Tom_L> zeeshan you askin if i want one?
[19:48:17] <zeeshan> :P
[19:49:20] <Jymmmm> This iwhat I'd like (I Think) http://www.ebay.com/itm/DuroMax-XP4850EH-Hybrid-Portable-Dual-Fuel-Propane-Gas-Camping-RV-Generator-/171503114601
[19:49:57] <Jymmmm> gasoline/propane, electric/pull start, 110/220
[19:51:41] <Tom_L> someone cut off your tail?
[19:52:04] <dioz> fuck man. you guys ever seen a diesel frost fighter?
[19:52:11] <dioz> boarders at the last place i was at had one
[19:52:14] <dioz> shit stank like fuck
[19:52:23] <dioz> couldn't leave it run for long without wanting to die
[19:52:28] <dioz> but i never knew they existed
[19:53:52] <Wolf_> weird, thats a indirect heater isn’t it (looks like a portable furnace)
[19:54:47] <Wolf_> unless you are talking about the torpedo type heaters
[19:54:54] <dioz> torpedo type
[19:54:55] <Wolf_> those things do stink
[19:55:26] <Wolf_> worse when they run out of fuel from going empty or dirty filter
[19:56:54] <dioz> you know what i mean by threading pipe though 'eh?
[19:57:00] <dioz> and black iron pipe
[19:57:04] <dioz> you did that?
[19:57:21] <Wolf_> yeah, I still have a set of manual threaders out in the shop
[19:57:52] <Wolf_> did fire suppression install in the Kennedy center in DC
[19:58:10] <malcom2073> I've got a torpedo for my barn, I use kerosene and it doesn't smell at all
[19:58:16] <Wolf_> like, the whole damn system in the 3 story parking garage
[19:58:34] <dioz> Wolf_: fire supression is all about coverage of your heads 'eh?
[19:59:02] <Wolf_> yep, I didn’t do layout, just cut, thread and installed it
[20:00:11] <dioz> so i bang tin as an apprentice ATM
[20:00:19] <dioz> and i just jumped ship
[20:00:37] <dioz> new place is talkin like the expect me to be able to wire and gas up units
[20:00:41] <dioz> as a 2nd year
[20:01:11] <dioz> i told 'em before this i did 13 years IT
[20:01:23] <dioz> dude said "you sound interesting we'll give you a try"
[20:01:34] <Wolf_> lol
[20:01:52] <dioz> yah
[20:02:13] <dioz> i mean with my previous gig i'd put the unit in place and run all the duct
[20:02:31] <dioz> then we'd get a gas guy and sparky to do the hookup and fire it
[20:02:43] <dioz> they're like "psssssh it's easy dude"
[20:03:00] <Wolf_> actually it is
[20:03:01] <dioz> and he's taken me through the process twice already in a week... kind of coaching me the whole way each time.
[20:03:06] <dioz> yah it doesn't seem like much
[20:03:26] <dioz> the catches before the units i didn't know
[20:03:35] <dioz> obviously you'd want valves before each unit
[20:03:52] <Wolf_> yeah, drip leg, then valve
[20:04:06] <dioz> the amount of gas and sizing is something i gotta look into
[20:04:13] <dioz> he said it's usually on a sticker inside the unit
[20:04:45] <Wolf_> yeah, I need to do layout for the LP in my house, doing cook top and tankless water heater
[20:05:13] <dioz> those tankless units can run heat till y ou run out of gas 'eh?
[20:05:24] <dioz> when i have company over and 3 people shower we run out of heat
[20:05:25] <Wolf_> and electric oven, cause just one of the other is too simple…
[20:05:36] <Wolf_> yeah, thats the idea
[20:05:48] <Wolf_> I hate hot water tank heaters
[20:06:29] <Wolf_> when you aren’t using the hot water its wasting energy, and when you want hot water it runs out
[20:06:37] <dioz> waaay up north like NWT north
[20:06:51] <dioz> most houses have electric and propane
[20:07:09] <dioz> oh and wood burning
[20:07:50] <Wolf_> yeah, power doesn’t go out that often at my place, but when it does its either 5-10mins or day or 2
[20:10:25] <dioz> but i figure if that's the case
[20:10:30] <dioz> you'd also wanna go generator
[20:10:38] <dioz> if you're up north
[20:10:57] <Wolf_> I’m in maryland, so its not that bad…
[20:11:14] <dioz> oh fuck dude
[20:11:24] <dioz> it's -30 celcius here
[20:11:35] <dioz> further north it gets down to -40
[20:11:45] <dioz> -60
[20:12:25] <Wolf_> did a back feed breaker with interlock in the main panel, plan to have a BBQ and generator tap off the propane setup so I don’t have to mess with much to hook up stuff to run
[20:13:04] <Wolf_> yeah its warm here right now 2c
[20:13:13] <dioz> <-- jelly
[20:13:35] <Wolf_> low tonight of -7c
[20:13:50] <dioz> what they do round these parts
[20:13:57] <dioz> is on the long term forcast
[20:14:01] <dioz> they tell you it's gonne be nice next week
[20:14:07] <dioz> to prevent people from killin 'emselves
[20:14:17] <Wolf_> haha
[20:14:17] <dioz> heh
[20:16:19] <Wolf_> I wonder if I should kill this kernel build and start over
[20:16:55] <Wolf_> 3hrs, still going
[20:17:59] <dioz> fuck all the kids have those cordless band saws
[20:18:23] <dioz> https://www.amazon.ca/Bosch-Professional-VLINCG-Cordless-Li-Ion/dp/B01L4Q3SCA/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1481766571&sr=8-3&keywords=cordless+band+saw+bosch
[20:18:27] <dioz> like that
[20:18:51] <Wolf_> aww its small and cute
[20:18:55] <Wolf_> http://i.imgur.com/XsDNV0t.jpg
[20:18:57] <dioz> usually use a sawsall to cut ready rod or unistrut
[20:19:07] <dioz> haha
[20:19:08] <dioz> nice
[20:19:14] <dioz> is that the big one?
[20:19:19] <Wolf_> yeah
[20:20:02] <dioz> you seen the milwakee drills that you can connect to w/ bluetooth
[20:20:05] <dioz> and a ap on your phone
[20:20:11] <dioz> and adjust spin up and light and shit
[20:20:23] <dioz> personally i think it's gay as fuck
[20:20:29] <Wolf_> yeah,I haven’t gotten them yet...
[20:20:32] <dioz> but i guess some guys might like it
[20:20:59] <Wolf_> the impact has some nice features
[20:21:12] <Wolf_> like mode for running self tappers in tin
[20:21:42] <dioz> all sheet metal screws are self tappers
[20:21:53] <dioz> some are cutters and some aren't
[20:22:06] <dioz> not to be a pedant but
[20:22:26] <Wolf_> yeah
[20:22:49] <dioz> i hate when people do it to me
[20:22:51] <dioz> idk why i just did it
[20:22:55] <Wolf_> has ramp up for the drilling/start, then backs off so it won’t strip out
[20:22:55] <dioz> my gf is making muffins
[20:23:29] <dioz> IDK why they don't make sheet metal screws with 1/8th inch of no thread at the top
[20:23:32] <dioz> to prevent stripping
[20:23:39] <dioz> even less i guess
[20:23:43] <dioz> just make the thread stop
[20:23:46] <dioz> MAKE IT STOP
[20:23:59] <dioz> i guess you might not be able to back 'em out then
[20:24:04] <dioz> which could suck
[20:24:18] <Wolf_> only one cordless tool i’m lusting over, and the stupid thing cost too much
[20:24:26] <dioz> rhh181 ?
[20:24:27] <dioz> heh
[20:24:28] <dioz> which one?
[20:24:43] <Wolf_> mag drill, $2500 (usd)
[20:25:05] <Wolf_> http://i.imgur.com/38lRPE1.jpg
[20:26:02] <dioz> for what?
[20:26:07] <dioz> i mean what you use it for?
[20:26:11] <Wolf_> drilling holes
[20:26:14] <Wolf_> :P
[20:26:19] <Wolf_> in truck frames
[20:26:40] <dioz> ah
[20:26:50] <dioz> would you rather be cummin or strokin?
[20:26:53] <Wolf_> also drilling out bushings on equipment
[20:26:56] <dioz> you a ford guy?
[20:27:21] <Wolf_> http://i.imgur.com/6SBO0v9.jpg :P
[20:27:51] <dioz> i think we've had all these conversations before
[20:28:08] <Wolf_> parts of it lol
[20:29:07] <Wolf_> most of the time I don’t even use the truck http://i.imgur.com/28eeGh0.jpg
[20:30:22] <dioz> what kind of kayaks you got?
[20:32:33] <Wolf_> some sit on tops and a ws kinetic
[20:35:47] <dioz> i never thought i'd need to uh
[20:35:57] <dioz> learn how to measure and cut and thread pipe
[20:36:44] <Wolf_> I never thought I would be compiling a linux kernel...
[20:37:14] <dioz> adding from default or hardening?
[20:37:28] <Wolf_> no idea
[20:37:48] <dioz> i guess it's handy to figure out how just for fun
[20:38:08] <dioz> if i would've figured out how to thread pipe for fun i wouldn't be trying to figure it out now
[20:39:15] <Wolf_ITX> using this, http://pastebin.com/JjLKAvuX I really have no idea wtf i'm doing lol
[20:42:46] <Wolf_> I’m attempting to set up a linux mint 17.3 with a RT kernel for running a mesa 7i92+7i77
[21:13:55] <Jymmm> Wolf_: Why not use the stock iso?
[21:14:09] <Wolf_> cause, no
[21:14:36] <Jymmm> wth?
[21:14:49] <Jymmm> thats a bullshit response
[21:14:59] <Wolf_> stock distro didnt like my hardware
[21:23:09] <pcw_home> stock distro has a crusty old kernel
[21:26:17] <Embiz> hi alle zusammen
[21:27:33] <Jymmm> pcw_home: Then why isn't it upgraded?
[21:28:05] <Jymmm> Wolf_: k
[21:28:16] <Wolf_> so far I’m liking what I see with Mint, all the hardware drivers loaded w/out any dicking with it
[21:28:44] <pcw_home> because jymmm hasn't put in the required work
[21:29:00] <Jymmm> pcw_home: I have, it was rejected, so...
[21:38:36] <FloppyDisk525> I certainly can see Jymmm not putting in the req'd work...
[21:42:22] <Jymmm> FloppyDisk525: go wled soem zinc or something
[21:42:25] <Jymmm> weld*
[21:42:44] <BeachBumPete> evening folks ;)
[21:44:06] <BeachBumPete> I did a little tinkering on my VMC tonight...nothing earth shattering but things I wanted to add
[21:44:28] <BeachBumPete> I never installed a PC reset switch nor did I install a power on LED
[21:45:08] <BeachBumPete> so my pal art had an old PC with those little pin wires in there and he sent them to me for a christmas Present THANKS ART! :)
[21:45:30] <BeachBumPete> I installed the little LED into the side of the pendant box and also the switch below it.
[21:45:45] <BeachBumPete> The good news is the LED is a bright little bastard :)
[21:45:55] <Wolf_> lol
[21:45:57] <BeachBumPete> its kind of a cool indigo blue too which was unexpected
[21:45:59] <Wolf_> its the little things
[21:46:07] <BeachBumPete> yeah man little things amuse me
[21:46:10] <BeachBumPete> hehe
[21:46:31] <BeachBumPete> but I tried the switch and it does not seem to work.
[21:46:43] <BeachBumPete> I have an ATOM D525 main board
[21:47:07] <BeachBumPete> and according to the internet search I did there is a front panel connection set of pins in there
[21:47:27] <BeachBumPete> the set has like 9 pins with four on one side and 5 on the other side
[21:47:40] <Wolf_> weird, but the pin might be software controlled, like how linux can ignore the power button
[21:48:01] <BeachBumPete> the power on pair is like the two last ones on the side with four pins
[21:48:20] <BeachBumPete> the reset is the pair right before the 5th pin
[21:48:28] <BeachBumPete> I had wondered about that
[21:48:52] <BeachBumPete> because I have the pendant apart lately because I had to reset the PC a bunch of times while working on things
[21:49:02] <BeachBumPete> which is why I added this little tiny button
[21:49:15] <BeachBumPete> in an inconspicuous place
[21:49:43] <BeachBumPete> even when I tried to short the pins momentarily with a tiny screwdriver it would not reset
[21:49:51] <Wolf_> dunno though, this mini itx I have doesn’t have a reset button on the case
[21:50:12] <BeachBumPete> the power on switch also does not seem to work
[21:50:14] <Wolf_> power button, led and 2 usb ports was it
[21:50:31] <BeachBumPete> I was wanting to check the new switch with my DVM
[21:50:52] <BeachBumPete> but its a piece of shit and I got angry at it a couple days ago and threw it down the driveway
[21:50:58] <Wolf_> lol
[21:51:12] <BeachBumPete> so tonight I ordered a new one on ebay
[21:51:14] <Wolf_> cheap meters arent worth it
[21:51:23] <BeachBumPete> I know get a fluke
[21:51:32] <BeachBumPete> but I don't want to spend that much
[21:51:42] <BeachBumPete> I got that one at Lowes awhile back
[21:51:50] <Wolf_> just needs to work...
[21:51:55] <BeachBumPete> it annoyed the hell out of me mostly because it lacked features
[21:52:11] <BeachBumPete> but predominately because it did not have an audible continuity check
[21:52:24] <BeachBumPete> I cannot stand a meter that does not have that
[21:52:33] <BeachBumPete> makes things so much easier when you are probing stuff
[21:52:53] <BeachBumPete> the one I bought is ALSO a cheap one but it looks cool and has a lot more features.
[21:53:01] <BeachBumPete> hopefully it is decent.
[21:53:12] <BeachBumPete> it had good reviews anyway....
[21:53:26] <Wolf_> my go to is one I got for free lol
[21:54:13] <BeachBumPete> https://www.amazon.com/DMiotech-Multimeter-Voltmeter-Capacitance-Backlight/dp/B00Y245JRE
[21:54:17] <BeachBumPete> thats what I bought
[21:54:45] <Jymmm> BeachBumPete: HF is $3 or free with coupon
[21:54:45] <Wolf_> https://www.milwaukeetool.com/instruments/digital-multimeters/2217-20 works for most things I need
[21:55:15] <Jymmm> BeachBumPete: I have a bunch of them, most still in the package
[21:55:44] <BeachBumPete> Wolf does that one have audible continuity?
[21:55:52] <Wolf_> very
[21:55:52] <BeachBumPete> Jymmm ?
[21:56:34] <Jymmm> BeachBumPete: FREE with coupon http://www.harborfreight.com/7-function-multimeter-98025.html
[21:56:37] <BeachBumPete> does that one have a backlit display?
[21:56:51] <Wolf_> yeah
[21:57:04] <BeachBumPete> Jymmm hehe I actually had one like that for a long time
[21:57:12] <BeachBumPete> it worked great for such a cheap piece of shit LOL
[21:57:24] <BeachBumPete> the one I bought at Lowes was a good bit more money
[21:57:27] <BeachBumPete> and it sucked bacd
[21:57:29] <BeachBumPete> bad
[21:57:59] <BeachBumPete> I am kinda liking the sound activation feature of the LED on this one I bought
[21:58:11] <Wolf_> I think the milwaukee is actually made by fluke lol. its $160 meter
[21:58:14] <pcw_home> A got a couple of the HF ones and threw them in the trash the next day
[21:58:15] <Jymmm> just get a fluke and be done with it
[21:58:15] <BeachBumPete> you apparently can snap your fingers or make a noise and the LED will light
[21:58:46] <Jymmm> pcw_home: And I bet you have a bencth full of T/E too
[21:58:50] <BeachBumPete> Jymmm I know right but most Flukes are way more than a fin
[21:59:37] <Jymmm> BeachBumPete: I bite the bullet on a fluke years ago and it's still going strong today.
[21:59:40] <Jymmm> bit*
[22:00:08] <BeachBumPete> sure I hope so for the price
[22:00:13] <Jymmm> BeachBumPete: And you actually CAN throw it down the driveway AND it will still work... REALLY
[22:00:19] <BeachBumPete> no arguing that they are the commercial go to meter
[22:00:23] <pcw_home> I thought they might be OK for dedicated wired in use but 1/2 the time they read 0V when there was voltage present
[22:00:47] <Jymmm> pcw_home: thats not the meter, but the POS leads =)
[22:00:51] <BeachBumPete> I also bought 2 new MPG wheels from ebay tongiht
[22:00:58] <Wolf_> http://www.homedepot.com/p/Klein-Tools-Electrical-Test-Kit-69149/204367271
[22:01:00] <pcw_home> it was the meter switch
[22:01:04] <Wolf_> I think I have that meter in my car
[22:01:05] <Jymmm> pcw_home: ah
[22:01:27] <pcw_home> flaky TE is worse than no TE
[22:01:36] <BeachBumPete> that kinda looks like the one I threw down the driveway ;)
[22:01:42] <Wolf_> lol
[22:02:01] <BeachBumPete> it seriously pissed me off man...
[22:02:42] <BeachBumPete> the worst was when I tested continuity of the same thing several different times and got several different readings that was the end of it. I just put a new battery in it too...
[22:02:53] <Jymmm> pcw_home: Yeah, that's why I dont rely upon them. more for eh you can borrow this and I dont care sorta thing
[22:03:15] <Wolf_> lol
[22:03:26] <Wolf_> leads make a difference IMO as well
[22:03:32] <Jymmm> pcw_home: Oh yeah, lets use this in the rain under the hood of the car
[22:03:56] <Wolf_> I’ve had a set of fluke leads I have been using for over 17 yrs
[22:03:58] <BeachBumPete> http://www.ebay.com/itm/272428014708 actually this is the one I got
[22:05:15] <BeachBumPete> Wonder how that non contact voltage detection works?
[22:05:29] <Wolf_> just like the pens probably
[22:05:43] <BeachBumPete> don't the pens need a signal?
[22:06:17] <BeachBumPete> Oh wait you mean the little sniffer pens...
[22:06:22] <Wolf_> yeah
[22:06:31] <Wolf_> just picks up 60 cycle
[22:06:45] <BeachBumPete> I know they have this thing where you can put something on the breaker box and sniff it in the house etc.
[22:06:47] <Wolf_> or something
[22:07:05] <Wolf_> other way around, has a plug transmitter
[22:07:16] <BeachBumPete> ah ok
[22:07:23] <BeachBumPete> that is something different than this I guess
[22:07:35] <BeachBumPete> I like that it also checks current in AC and DC
[22:07:52] <Wolf_> http://a.co/iDXEMyv is sorta like the set I have been using for years
[22:07:56] <BeachBumPete> but most of all I like that it has backlit display and audible cont check
[22:08:57] <BeachBumPete> I am going to have to modify my front panel on the pendant for the new MPG wheel because it is different than the original one.
[22:11:08] <BeachBumPete> my oldest daughter has said she wants a new laptop for Christmas. Anyone got a good recommendation for a nice laptop online that is a great value say around $3-400 bucks?
[22:11:28] <Wolf_> what is she gonna be running on it...
[22:12:43] <BeachBumPete> well she is wanting to learn coding and programming so it cannot be a piece of shit but she is just getting started. I don't want to get any apple products even tho they are good for that mostly because they are so pricey
[22:13:00] <Jymmm> malcom2073: https://www.amazon.com/review/R27YJDOEBSFXBD/ref=cm_cr_dp_cmt?ie=UTF8&ASIN=B000HE8P2O&channel=detail-glance&nodeID=1055398&store=home-garden#wasThisHelpful
[22:13:24] <Wolf_> yeah apple stuff is over priced (as I’m typing this on a MacBook pro…)
[22:13:41] <BeachBumPete> heh
[22:13:50] <BeachBumPete> what is that like a 3k PC?
[22:13:52] <Wolf_> but it is a 5yr old macbook
[22:14:13] <BeachBumPete> I like toshiba been pretty good to me for years now
[22:14:16] <Wolf_> I don’t remember how much it was
[22:14:17] * Jymmm pets his imac with 20g of ram and dual displays
[22:14:33] <BeachBumPete> GAAAHHHHhhhhh
[22:14:56] <Wolf_> lol I’m running 16gb in the mbp and external monitor right now
[22:15:00] <BeachBumPete> I hate apple as a company so there is no way I would buy one even if I wanted to spend that much LOL
[22:15:30] <Wolf_> I got my mom running mac so I don’t have to mess with her stuff often
[22:15:52] <Jymmm> Wolf_: which os?
[22:16:06] <Wolf_> whatever is current
[22:16:12] <Jymmm> lol
[22:16:24] <Jymmm> click the damn apple
[22:16:39] <BeachBumPete> ya know what I really want to do also is add a rotary multi position switch to my VMC pendant
[22:16:43] <BeachBumPete> two actually
[22:16:50] <Wolf_> 10.12.1
[22:16:58] <BeachBumPete> one to select axis and the other to select increment range
[22:17:21] <Wolf_> on a 13” late 2011, 2.8ghz i7 with 16gb of 1333 DDR3
[22:17:29] <BeachBumPete> Now that I have to redo the MPG wheel setup I am considering getting some more buttons and switches to add to the front panel
[22:17:32] <Jymmm> Wolf_: Oh, Sierra, you hating it?
[22:17:42] <BeachBumPete> just no idea how to wire that shit up LOL
[22:17:49] <Wolf_> looks the same to me Jymmm
[22:17:57] <BeachBumPete> I'll just add it anyway because it will look cool....
[22:18:20] <Wolf_> like I do more then download stuff and web surf on this thing lol
[22:18:29] <Jymmm> Wolf_: it wasnt looks as functionality
[22:18:41] <Wolf_> everything seems to work…
[22:19:03] <Jymmm> Wolf_: you dont play with uC much =)
[22:19:11] <Wolf_> nope
[22:19:19] <Jymmm> Wolf_: I know =)
[22:19:35] <BeachBumPete> I guess I am in the minority here with PC stuff :)
[22:19:45] <Wolf_> thats on my work desk
[22:19:50] <Wolf_> win7 box
[22:19:56] <Jymmm> Wolf_: Had to disable the security BS they added in ElCap to install the drivers =)
[22:20:15] <Jymmm> Wolf_: SUCH A PITA
[22:20:34] <Jymmm> I want my Lion back, NEVER EVER had any issues withit
[22:20:34] <Wolf_> almost everything I actually use to get things done are all on the PC...
[22:20:37] <BeachBumPete> so any idea why the momentary power switch did not work assuming it is a good switch? is there something I can change or check on that one?
[22:21:05] <Wolf_> well, if you has a meter...
[22:21:09] <Jymmm> BeachBumPete: what do you mean didn't work?
[22:21:11] <BeachBumPete> har har har
[22:21:25] <BeachBumPete> I mean it did not reset the PC when I push it.
[22:21:30] <Jymmm> BeachBumPete: Yeah, go down your driveway, there's a meter there and there and there and...
[22:21:35] <BeachBumPete> is there a setting on the Atom or something
[22:21:37] <Wolf_> oh that one…
[22:21:45] <Jymmm> BeachBumPete: press and HOLD it for 10 seconds
[22:22:07] <BeachBumPete> Jymmm that thing probably got run over by my van several times on the way to work
[22:22:13] <BeachBumPete> 10 seconds really?
[22:22:34] <BeachBumPete> should it be on the reset or power pins?
[22:22:54] <Jymmm> Are you asking if the power button should be on the reset pins?
[22:23:41] <BeachBumPete> I am saying that the board has pins for HDD LED, power LED, Power on switch, reset switch etc etc.
[22:24:09] <BeachBumPete> If I want to restart the PC without having to power down the whole VMC which one should I use reset or power?
[22:24:12] <Jymmm> BeachBumPete: Press and hold the power button thats connected to power pins on the mobo for 10 seconds to alter states
[22:24:29] <Wolf_> really, I would google the mobo type + linux distro + reset button to make sure its not some odd software controlled shit
[22:24:57] <Jymmm> reset is NEVER os/sw controlled. Though PWR can be
[22:25:00] <BeachBumPete> I googled the board already
[22:25:31] <BeachBumPete> I actually tried it on both setups but did not hold it for ten seconds
[22:25:49] <Jymmm> power can be "used like" a reset by holding it in
[22:26:30] <Wolf_> I can’t check with my linux box right now cause its still building a kernel
[22:30:30] <BeachBumPete> OK thanks man
[22:30:52] <BeachBumPete> well I am gonna head to bed gn8
[22:31:23] <Wolf_> 5.5 hrs and counting, wonder how long its going to take lol
[22:33:59] <Jymmm> Wolf_: It's currently 2016.....
[22:35:44] <Tom_L> aww crap he just left
[22:35:53] <Tom_L> i was gonna suggest he get a fluke :D
[22:36:14] <Wolf_> haha
[22:36:52] <Tom_L> i've had mine for longer than i can remember and it still works fine
[22:44:12] <Jymmm> I've only replaced the battery twice in some 20 odd years.
[22:45:00] <Tom_L> i think i may have replaced the battery...
[22:45:19] <Tom_L> more for fear the battery may leak
[22:46:01] <Jymmm> Tom_L: Use Energizer or Duracell ONLY... both have batery leak protection
[22:46:26] <Jymmm> well Everyready that is
[22:47:04] <Tom_L> i don't think the bunny batteries last as long
[22:47:09] <Jymmm> If ther batteries ever leak, they will replace the device (usually they send a check)
[22:47:29] <Jymmm> and coupons for free battereies too
[22:48:36] <Jymmm> are most water traps glass or plastic?
[22:48:42] <Jymmm> for compressors
[22:50:06] <Tom_L> the ones i've used have a plastic bowl
[22:50:30] <Jymmm> k
[22:50:59] <Tom_L> never blown one at 170psi yet
[22:51:22] <Jymmm> I need 250 PSI rated
[22:51:35] <tiwake> why stop at 250PSI?
[22:51:46] <Jymmm> tiwake: PHYSICS!
[22:52:16] <Tom_L> https://www.zoro.com/speedaire-compressed-air-filter-250-psi-475-in-w-4zl10/i/G1449786/?gclid=CIOJ6v6s9dACFYS4wAodWiIFXg&gclsrc=aw.ds
[22:52:55] <Tom_L> i see 4 there rated for 250psi
[22:53:14] <Wolf_> I feel a bad idea incoming
[22:55:12] <Tom_L> http://www.ebay.com/itm/GENERAL-PNEUMATICS-No-TKF400A-Refrigerated-Air-Dryer-250-PSI-/181878218099
[22:55:20] <Tom_L> there's one if you want dry air
[23:00:39] <roycroft> all the water traps i've ever had except one have been plastic
[23:00:49] <roycroft> pretty thick plastic
[23:01:02] <roycroft> i've never had one fail, but my compressor maxes out at 140psi
[23:01:27] <roycroft> buy one from alibaba or ebay
[23:01:29] <roycroft> it will work
[23:01:32] <roycroft> guaranteed!
[23:35:25] <Jymmmm> roycroft: Not cajun are ya?
[23:37:15] <FloppyDisk525> just got back from the kids x-mas concert, time to go weld some zinc...
[23:38:14] <Jymmmm> FloppyDisk525: Don't forget to toss on some potassium nitrate on there first, it makes the welding mo better!
[23:38:38] <FloppyDisk525> Jymmm - thanks for the advice, will do...
[23:38:51] <FloppyDisk525> touch of magnesium might work as well.
[23:39:03] <Jymmmm> sodium
[23:40:42] <Jymmmm> FloppyDisk525: or cesium
[23:41:00] <roycroft> i am not
[23:41:08] <Jymmmm> FloppyDisk525: just make sure to wet it down first
[23:41:20] <Jymmmm> roycroft: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGMBjWLUo9Q
[23:42:30] <roycroft> i've been to new orleans a number of times
[23:43:06] <roycroft> it must have rubbed off on me
[23:43:07] <Jymmmm> =)
[23:43:07] <roycroft> first time i rode the city of new orleans from chicago
[23:43:18] <roycroft> back when it was on the illinois central line, before amtrak