#linuxcnc | Logs for 2016-12-08

[01:07:46] <pink_vampire> hi
[01:08:23] <Wolf_> morning
[01:59:03] <RootB> are ZrN coated bits better than non ZrN coated?
[02:10:48] <Wolf_> probably better, real question is if its needed or not
[02:20:24] <Devilholk> I guess I'll go with my own motion controller and later look into LCNC integration. For now I will just be playing around with it a bit http://i.imgur.com/ttrBwQg.jpg
[02:20:46] <Devilholk> This will be one fuggly hack =)
[02:21:06] <Wolf_> I like the use of cutting board
[02:21:26] <Devilholk> Yeah, I have found that a lot of magic smoke escapes when boards hanging by wires move around
[02:21:41] <Wolf_> yup, I have done that
[02:21:52] <Wolf_> on a 200V motor driver lol
[02:21:58] <Devilholk> Usually wires to the boards are heavier than the boards themselves
[02:22:00] <Devilholk> Hehe
[02:22:06] <Devilholk> Did it clap loudly?
[02:22:50] <Devilholk> I once had an old computer PSU go bang, VERY loudly, nearly shat myself and my ears where rining
[02:22:56] <Devilholk> Opened it up to see what had exploded
[02:22:58] <Wolf_> http://i.imgur.com/DVwnSsB.jpg yeah it was impressive
[02:23:02] <Devilholk> But I couldn't find anything =)
[02:23:15] <Devilholk> Nice crater =)
[02:23:31] <Wolf_> smoked many things on the board lol
[02:24:23] <Wolf_> vaporized several traces as well
[02:25:34] <Wolf_> http://i.imgur.com/CyNObxX.jpg all the damage from the speed input board hitting the heatsink
[02:26:57] <Devilholk> Is the top left IC exploded?
[02:27:15] <Wolf_> that was a pre oops pic
[02:27:22] <Devilholk> ah
[02:27:42] <Devilholk> Wolf_: http://i.imgur.com/VtHdF2r.jpg
[02:27:48] <Devilholk> That's a LED driver that exploded
[02:28:00] <Wolf_> lol nice
[02:28:02] <Wolf_> http://i.imgur.com/qwYweFV.jpg
[02:28:16] <Wolf_> few things missing, I forgot about the resistors
[02:28:18] <Devilholk> I had a RGB LED array connected when that happened (the picture has warm/cold white array)
[02:28:34] <Devilholk> The array suddenly became VERY bright (I think it survived though)
[02:28:45] <Devilholk> And the box instantly filled with smoke and flames =)
[02:28:56] <Devilholk> Was hooked up to a 20C 5Ah LiPo pack
[02:28:59] <Devilholk> no fuses
[02:29:25] <Wolf_> oops
[02:29:38] <Devilholk> not sure I see anything missing there
[02:30:33] <Wolf_> http://i.imgur.com/CyNObxX.jpg see the two R100 next to the big caps
[02:30:53] <Wolf_> after the oops they were gone
[02:31:12] <Devilholk> Haha
[02:31:24] <Devilholk> What where they fore? Inrush current limit?
[02:31:27] <Devilholk> for*
[02:31:31] <Wolf_> were..
[02:31:36] <Devilholk> thanks
[02:31:37] <Wolf_> lol
[02:31:45] <Wolf_> yeah, they failed
[02:31:54] <Devilholk> I am pretty tired, it is 9 am and I have been up all night =)
[02:32:17] <Devilholk> Been trying to design a high precision bench supply
[02:32:30] <Wolf_> I gave up trying to find what I killed on it… $20 for a new one from china
[02:33:03] <Devilholk> This is what I got so far but I am thinking that the Q4 Q3 pair could be replaced by gnd and have a negative rail for control voltage https://konverseramera.se/skiss.svg
[02:33:24] <Devilholk> Also U5 should be another device, this sketch is based on stuff I have lying around
[02:33:44] <Devilholk> but no idea if this will work
[02:33:48] <Wolf_> EE I’m not
[02:33:50] <Devilholk> I am noob on analog electronics
[02:33:57] <Devilholk> But I'll build it and measure the performance
[02:34:18] <Wolf_> I do remember trying to make a 12v psu in high school and having it explode the caps in it lol
[02:34:21] <Devilholk> I am not an engineer either, just hobbyist
[02:34:28] <Devilholk> Hehe
[02:34:44] <Devilholk> I see I have made a mistake in that sketch
[02:34:52] <Devilholk> Q1 must be PNP otherwise it will never conduct lol
[02:35:19] <Devilholk> I should make an improved version when I am well rested
[02:35:25] <Devilholk> this was just a sketch
[02:35:54] <Wolf_> I just cut and paste example circuits
[02:39:04] <Devilholk> Well, that is a good start I guess =)
[02:39:14] <Devilholk> The more you tinker, the more you learn =)
[02:39:25] <Wolf_> yup lol
[02:39:49] <Deejay> moin
[02:40:02] <Devilholk> moin
[02:45:10] <Wolf_> Devilholk: what was that about ugly hacks http://i.imgur.com/iAeCFWH.jpg
[02:45:30] <Wolf_> :)
[02:45:54] <Devilholk> heh, I recognize those drivers in the center
[02:46:03] <Devilholk> But it was neatly arranged on a metal thing =)
[02:46:16] <Wolf_> http://i.imgur.com/l7KoMTm.jpg
[02:47:10] <Wolf_> all those china stepper drivers look the same lol
[02:47:24] <Devilholk> Wolf CNC =)
[02:47:37] <Devilholk> Looks a bit special with the blue 7-segs =)
[02:47:39] <kasi> at least you have an estop
[02:47:40] <kasi> lol
[02:47:57] <kasi> "dood who even needs an e stop" i use to say this lol
[02:48:20] <kasi> but on ridiculously dangerous shit that we made, good times.
[02:48:32] <Wolf_> yeah, and when you hit the estop you push the whole panel off the desk lol
[02:49:23] <Devilholk> hehe
[02:49:58] <Wolf_> http://i.imgur.com/Y3HQkf1.jpg panel is also bigger then the mill
[02:59:34] <Wolf_> … I really need to get back to building the 2nd mini mill
[03:02:24] <Devilholk> Do it =)
[04:00:25] <pink_vampire> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHYXiZBnkP0
[04:00:32] <pink_vampire> very cool tool
[04:02:37] <pink_vampire> Wolf_: look very nice panel, just polish it a bit and / or give it nice coat
[04:05:01] <Wolf_> I might have to do something with it at some point :)
[04:08:30] <Wolf_> maybe rig up a engine turn finish tool with 3” twist lock pad and some gcode
[04:10:15] <Wolf_> and a bigger mill…
[04:11:53] <Devilholk> Nice, got my machine moving
[04:12:14] <Wolf_> :)
[04:13:21] <Devilholk> I realized while I was filming that the firmware I had only implemented 6 axises in this early test instead of 8 and since I don't use the 4 first ones I could control the last one
[04:13:25] <Devilholk> But that is easy to fix
[04:13:58] <Wolf_> hehe
[04:15:22] <Devilholk> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHYXiZBnkP0
[04:15:36] <Devilholk> I talk like a retard
[04:15:47] <Wolf_> fail, try again
[04:15:51] <Devilholk> That's because english is not my primary language and I try to focus on filming and entering commands =)
[04:15:55] <Wolf_> thats wire twisting vid
[04:16:00] <Devilholk> oh
[04:16:05] <Devilholk> I copied it from the terminal =)
[04:16:15] <Devilholk> https://youtu.be/16VAigjtAUk
[04:17:16] <Wolf_> such small motors lol
[04:17:26] <Devilholk> Small china machine
[04:17:34] <Devilholk> better than nothing =)
[04:17:55] <pink_vampire> is that a lead screws?
[04:18:04] <Wolf_> http://i.imgur.com/XgBhOjG.jpg I like over kill
[04:18:12] <pink_vampire> also way it is sooooo slow?
[04:18:20] <pink_vampire> Devilholk: ^
[04:18:35] <Devilholk> pink_vampire: It is slow because I was worried that I would mess up since I controlled it from an interactive python terminal
[04:18:45] <Devilholk> It uses trapetzoid thread screws
[04:18:55] <Devilholk> I haven't tested max speed yet
[04:19:06] <Devilholk> If I pulse too fast I suspect I will lose steps
[04:19:08] <pink_vampire> any backless?
[04:19:23] <pink_vampire> Wolf_: overkill?
[04:19:37] <Devilholk> pink_vampire: Not that I have noticed
[04:19:43] <Wolf_> seig x1 with 400oz/in steppers iirc
[04:19:48] <Devilholk> pink_vampire: But I just started messing with it =)
[04:20:14] <Devilholk> oz/in? what kind of weird unit is that? o.O
[04:20:19] <pink_vampire> Wolf_: i have the g0704 with 1025oz in servos
[04:20:30] <pink_vampire> it can fly
[04:21:17] <Devilholk> lol, was testing max speed
[04:21:21] <Devilholk> But I lost control
[04:21:26] <Devilholk> And I don't have an EM stop yet
[04:21:35] <Devilholk> so had to pull a wire to an enable pin
[04:21:50] <Wolf_> I have some 375 oz-in (2.65N-m) servos in nema 34 I could put on the x1 for very overkill
[04:22:43] <Wolf_> but right now it has enough torque to break 1/2” end mills….
[04:22:51] <pink_vampire> max speed is 15,000 mm/min
[04:23:20] <Devilholk> I think I found a bug
[04:23:21] <Wolf_> but that x1 is too floppy for any real speed anyways
[04:23:24] <pink_vampire> 0.6 sec to run the whole table
[04:23:27] <Devilholk> When I enter really high speeds I have trouble stopping it
[04:23:52] <pink_vampire> then try servo
[04:46:17] <enleth> Devilholk: just buy a generic e-stop button and route stepper driver power input through it
[04:46:50] <Devilholk> There is an enable pin on the stepper driver module
[04:47:04] <Devilholk> I think I have a button actually
[04:47:08] <Devilholk> A proper one =)
[04:48:14] <Jymmmm> Killing power to a runaway train does not dead stop it make.
[04:48:36] <Jymmmm> choo choooooo
[04:48:43] <enleth> Jymmmm: a small ACME screw mill should, though
[04:48:45] <Devilholk> That reminds me of a runaway trashcan
[04:49:12] <Devilholk> We controlled it from a python terminal, friend accidently entered a zero too much to the speed to one of its two motors and it made a pirouette =)
[04:49:28] <Jymmm> enleth: And the world is perfect
[04:49:37] <enleth> what.
[04:50:25] <pink_vampire> Jymmm: on my machine the e stope also prevent the drivers from getting steps, and the servos stop on the spot
[04:51:06] <enleth> Jymmm: if the forces involved somehow overpower the resistance of a self-braking screw, the stepper driver getting disabled probably won't help either
[05:30:04] <jthornton> morning
[05:30:49] <XXCoder> hey
[05:31:50] <XXCoder> check this out
[05:31:51] <XXCoder> https://www.thingiverse.com/make:261807
[05:32:00] <XXCoder> Im been planning to make one
[05:33:35] <jthornton> cool
[05:33:56] <XXCoder> I wonder if will work with liter ones
[05:35:17] <jthornton> I'm sure the collection bottle size does not matter
[05:36:11] <XXCoder> yeah
[05:36:30] <XXCoder> it'd be great on filterung wood stuff out before it even arrives vacuum
[05:38:00] <jthornton> I use this http://www.oneida-air.com/category.asp?Id=%7bCC6B6F2A-E3D7-4F18-A53C-B5C357DFE131%7d
[05:38:09] <jthornton> you need to copy it
[05:38:53] <XXCoder> I find it bit ironic that we try to avoid sending dust to vacuum, designed to recive em. lol
[05:39:07] <XXCoder> I know, its good idea but funny anyway
[05:39:35] <jthornton> if you just have a vacuum motor and no container then the dust deputy is your friend
[05:40:01] <jthornton> http://www.oneida-air.com/static.asp?htmltemplate=static/how-the-dust-deputy-works.html
[05:40:27] <XXCoder> indeed
[05:40:39] <XXCoder> I ;earned of it from woodgears guy
[05:40:41] <XXCoder> he made his own
[05:41:54] <XXCoder> whole vacuum kit for 100 bucks or just dust seperator 50 bucks
[05:44:30] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: get few in series and you have a dyson
[05:44:39] <XXCoder> indeed
[05:46:50] <XXCoder> I wonder if can make a dyson shop vac
[05:47:10] <XXCoder> just buy one vacuum then print few of those thingies
[05:47:14] <XXCoder> 4 or 5
[05:48:10] <pink_vampire> this the the idea of them
[05:48:32] <XXCoder> yeah its just basic physics
[05:48:49] <XXCoder> if I had time machine I'd steal dyson idea and make billions in 60s. :P
[05:50:20] <archivist> you wont get a good vortex with the grotty surface of printed spastic
[05:50:25] <Tom_L> 18 f
[05:50:56] <XXCoder> archivist: yeah though even if some percent gets captured its good
[05:51:01] <XXCoder> over 50?%
[05:54:22] <pink_vampire> i have the 6 gallon ridgid and it work just fine.
[06:08:37] <XXCoder> cool
[06:08:42] <XXCoder> btw too cool to do drugs http://s3.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/photoshop/3/0/2/347302_v1.jpg
[06:12:50] <Devilholk> XXCoder: lol
[06:13:26] <XXCoder> imange some guy saying that
[06:13:39] <XXCoder> "cool to do drugs. do drugs. drugs!!"
[06:13:51] <Devilholk> Couldn't the first sentence, if you pronounce it right, still be saying that it is cool to do drugs?
[06:14:10] <Devilholk> like, too cool could be emphasized cool?
[06:14:14] <XXCoder> nah it dont state it i negative way though.
[06:14:27] <XXCoder> uncool to do drugs does not say don't do drugs
[06:14:42] <XXCoder> so if youre uncool its fine to do drugs
[06:14:59] <Devilholk> Yeah, you need the drugs if you are not cool enough
[06:15:14] <Devilholk> That pencil manufacturer must be drug peddlers
[06:15:32] <XXCoder> sadly i wasnt in cool crowd... nor uncool crowd. i was on my own :P no drugs though
[06:16:38] <Devilholk> Me neither, and back then I was too young for drugs
[06:21:22] <gonzo_> didn't need drugs as a kid, we had gunpowder
[06:22:06] <Devilholk> Hehe
[06:22:28] <Devilholk> That reminds me of my childhood as well
[06:22:35] <gonzo_> it meant that not being in the cool/hard crowd, we still had status (and fear)
[06:22:56] <Devilholk> I don't think I had much status
[06:24:36] <Devilholk> I was uncool before it was cool to be uncool
[06:25:18] <Devilholk> It is 1 pm. Time to go to bed
[06:29:29] <XXCoder> it is 4 am. time to go bed
[06:36:43] <jthornton> it's 6am time for a cup of joe
[07:26:50] <SpeedEvil> jthornton: http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-294
[07:29:14] <jthornton> lol
[07:33:21] <R2E4> mornin...
[07:33:49] <Deejay> afternoo...
[07:34:02] <R2E4> lol..... yeah
[07:34:17] <R2E4> hey Deejay, you know mesa cards?
[07:34:27] <Deejay> nope
[07:34:44] <R2E4> with 5i25, what cards can I get a boatload of I/O?
[07:34:48] <R2E4> oh
[07:38:19] <R2E4> JT, You around?
[07:38:21] <pcw_home> metric boatload?
[07:38:47] <R2E4> hey Pete......
[07:39:30] <R2E4> I just picked up a badass router...... http://www.tiikoni.com/tis/view/?id=6c4d2b6
[07:39:36] <R2E4> I need lots of I/O
[07:39:46] <Deejay> wheeeeeeeeee :D
[07:39:58] <R2E4> 5i25/7i77
[07:40:19] <R2E4> thats for sure, but I dont know what to do for I/O
[07:40:54] <pcw_home> wow thats huge
[07:41:07] <R2E4> 5,000
[07:41:09] <jthornton> smart serial daughter cards
[07:41:11] <R2E4> it cost me
[07:41:36] <jthornton> wow that is big
[07:41:38] <Deejay> nice! when will you bring it to me? :D
[07:42:03] <R2E4> three spindles, tool changer, and 31 aux spindles
[07:42:18] <jthornton> http://mesaus.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=63&product_id=75
[07:42:26] <R2E4> the guy ran a bunch of tool;paths, and it runs nice
[07:42:37] <jthornton> http://mesaus.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=72&product_id=104
[07:42:57] <jthornton> http://mesaus.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=72&product_id=67
[07:43:03] <jthornton> http://mesaus.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=72&product_id=103
[07:46:19] <R2E4> I dont need 7i73 for pendant....
[07:47:26] <jthornton> just tossing out some links
[07:48:02] <R2E4> is there an output card like the 7i70?
[07:49:13] <jthornton> 7i71 and 7i72
[07:49:23] <R2E4> The 7i44 needs the 8i20/8i21, Is there an RS-422 interface card that connects to 5i25?
[07:50:16] <jthornton> the 7i44 works with 5i25 and 6i25 too
[07:50:25] <jthornton> opps wrong one
[07:50:41] <jthornton> http://mesaus.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=62&product_id=107
[07:50:52] <jthornton> 7i74 works with 5i25/6i25
[07:50:55] <R2E4> AH!!!
[07:51:22] <R2E4> 5i25 - 7i77, 7i74-7i70-7i71
[07:51:33] <jthornton> http://mesaus.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=62&product_id=107
[07:51:41] <jthornton> need one of those for the second port
[07:52:14] <R2E4> cool, gotcha.......
[07:53:06] <R2E4> 80 inputs, 64 outputs, that should do it
[07:53:31] <R2E4> These on the shelf boards?
[07:54:07] <R2E4> I have a 7i77, just need the 5i25, 7i74 and 7i70-71
[07:54:54] <jthornton> I should have them in stock soon, I just added the 7i74, 7i70 and 7i71
[07:55:15] <jthornton> how quick do you need them?
[07:55:28] <R2E4> ok, you have the 5i25? I can order that one right away
[07:55:45] <jthornton> yea, I have plenty of stock on that
[07:56:02] <R2E4> I am getting the machine probably around the 22nd.
[07:56:04] <Tom_L> R2E4, control burned out on it?
[07:56:20] <jthornton> do you have a DB25M to DB25M IEEE 1284 compliant parallel port cable
[07:56:28] <jthornton> http://mesaus.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=71&product_id=59
[07:56:43] <R2E4> but I can start with the 5i25 and 7i77 for now
[07:57:20] <R2E4> Tom_L: no its not burned out... It is running, can run Gcode, but its old and does not connect to PC
[07:57:32] <R2E4> why?
[07:58:47] <R2E4> It has 3 spindles and a tool changer, cant wrap my head around the tool change scenariop......
[07:58:48] <Tom_L> just wondered. you said he showed it to you running and you're gutting it out
[07:59:19] <Tom_L> how does it get programs currently?
[07:59:26] <R2E4> yeah, I am taking that control out. dont want to know anything about it.
[08:00:01] <R2E4> the keypad on the control, you do your geometry on it, then it does the gcode
[08:00:12] <Tom_L> conversatonal
[08:00:22] <Tom_L> k. i can understand that
[08:00:30] <R2E4> I have a friend that has one right around the corner,
[08:00:37] <Tom_L> at least all the drivers etc should be good
[08:00:45] <R2E4> he wont upgrade until I do one of these first
[08:01:16] <Tom_L> you have a wood shop?
[08:01:17] <R2E4> The machine is one town over......
[08:01:29] <R2E4> yeah, I have a wood shop and a metal shop
[08:01:33] <Tom_L> sign company etc
[08:01:43] <Tom_L> cabinetry
[08:01:44] <Tom_L> or such
[08:02:09] <R2E4> https://www.facebook.com/CncTechProduction/
[08:02:25] <R2E4> yeah, we do everything custom.
[08:02:35] <Tom_L> machine doesn't look all that old
[08:02:41] <R2E4> we have some production contracts, URNS, Lappads
[08:02:47] <R2E4> the machine is 1995
[08:03:27] <Tom_L> will be interesting to follow..
[08:03:36] <R2E4> I looked at it last year and he was asking 10,000.00, he has been trying to sell it for 3 years, I offered him 5,000.00 and he said SOLD!!
[08:04:02] <jthornton> nice
[08:04:31] <Tom_L> mmm. i know a recently constructed shop that would fit right into :D
[08:04:43] <R2E4> There is quite a few that has upgraded to Mach3, but have trouble with all the bells and whistles
[08:05:06] <Tom_L> enough help here you won't have much problem i bet
[08:05:20] <R2E4> I have only seen one guy that has retrofitted this machine to Linuxcnc in Italy, using 5i25/7i77
[08:06:26] <R2E4> It has alot of vertical and horizontal boring spindles 31, but thre big 9KW ceramic bearing toolchanging spindles.
[08:06:46] <R2E4> Yeah, you guys helped me alot with my VMC....
[08:07:23] <R2E4> I am also getting a Matsuura coming in early next year I will upgrade also.
[08:08:32] <R2E4> cant wait to get this one converted so I can remove MAch3 on my other router.......
[08:11:33] <R2E4> JT I'll need two of those cables one for 7i77 and one for 7i74
[08:16:37] <R2E4> Do I get the 7i77 X 2 firmware? will that work with a 7i77 and 7i74?
[08:23:55] <R2E4> Ordered jthornton , let me know when you get the 7i74, 7i70 and 7i71 in.
[08:25:43] <JT-Shop> 7i77_7i74 firmware
[08:26:44] <JT-Shop> I need to add that choice lol
[08:27:20] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Your selling mesa cards?
[08:28:12] <JT-Shop> yes
[08:28:24] <Jymmm> i did not know that
[08:29:18] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: you ned to fire your marketing person ;)
[08:30:07] <JT-Shop> I'm fired
[08:30:42] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Yoou're just a softy, cause you know you're gonna rehire yourself
[08:33:08] <JT-Shop> I want a raise
[08:57:06] * Tom_L sets JT-Shop on a tall stool
[12:05:54] <IchGucksLive> hi
[12:06:14] <IchGucksLive> R2E4: dont you switch to 7i92
[12:06:21] <IchGucksLive> as 5i25
[12:06:33] <IchGucksLive> so ethernet takes place
[12:06:45] <IchGucksLive> no noice and all the big troubles
[12:08:33] <IchGucksLive> oh 4hr no post
[12:08:58] <IchGucksLive> president elect starts sold out
[12:09:24] <IchGucksLive> so first 80Milion Telefon costomers to taiuwan
[12:09:48] <IchGucksLive> the 50.000 jobs go to India call center to fix the issues
[12:10:02] <IchGucksLive> and the cable guy is a mexican inmate
[12:18:23] <IchGucksLive> Loetmichel: did you already warcht the flensburg data
[12:18:32] <Loetmichel> ?
[12:18:46] <IchGucksLive> from today live on the web
[12:18:54] <Loetmichel> ???
[12:19:06] * Loetmichel just had an accident on the way home
[12:19:12] <IchGucksLive> punktekartei in flensburg
[12:19:15] <Loetmichel> [18:36] <Loetmichel_> *MAAAN* what did i do wrong to deserve the THIRD time someone rear ended my car at the same roundabout junction... this time it will be a bit more expensive: bumper has shattered into several parts barely hanging on to the chassis :-(
[12:19:47] <Loetmichel> there is noting to watch for me
[12:19:53] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: OUCH
[12:19:54] <Loetmichel> i have 0 points. never got any
[12:20:08] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: Maybe avoid that roundabout in the future?
[12:20:33] <Loetmichel> no way around, unless i drive 20 miles in the wrong direction
[12:23:14] <CaptHindsight> put headlights on the back of the car to fool them
[12:23:16] <archivist> make your intentions more obvious to the driver behind
[12:23:50] <roycroft> james bond your car
[12:24:04] <roycroft> mount giant spikes on the rear end that can pop out at the push of a button
[12:25:15] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: http://blog.caranddriver.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/MMFR_PlymouthRock-876x534.jpg
[12:25:44] <Jymmm> roycroft: no popping out needed ^^^^^
[12:26:00] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: thats only good foe defending your car from balloon attacks
[12:26:38] <roycroft> maybe not needed, but it's always fun to actively deploy your defensive mechanisms
[12:26:55] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: One in back AND front... http://dancingdinosaurgames.com/collateral/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Cow-Catcher-Killbar+.jpg
[12:27:07] <roycroft> that's quite the porcupine car
[12:27:58] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: i am just thinking about making a copy of that plastic bumper out of 6mm sheet steel
[12:28:04] <Loetmichel> ... and painting it silver ;)
[12:28:17] <Jymmm> I an't find a pic, but there's this "Detroit no fault bumper".... it's like an industrial push bumber, but also has like 12" wide rubber (tire tread?) padding
[12:28:43] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: dont forget to include some dark red too
[12:29:09] <Jymmm> well dark red for dried blood, and bright for fresh blood
[12:29:27] <CaptHindsight> maybe a 1m deep portable hole towed behind the car
[12:32:17] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: mount this on your car then attacha couple old tires to it http://jimmyjeep.50megs.com/donb4.jpg
[12:33:07] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: i made a few of these: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=16328
[12:33:17] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=16316
[12:33:24] <Loetmichel> i think i know how to do that
[12:33:38] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: GIT ER DONE!!!
[12:33:48] <Loetmichel> also i think i dont need any rubber on that... not my problem if they destroy their car ;)
[12:34:16] <CaptHindsight> neon "Schlage mich nicht" sign on back might help
[12:35:44] <Loetmichel> CaptHindsight: i am over that. i think a massive steel bumper that doesnt look suspicious will do pretty well
[12:36:01] <Jymmm> with REAL spikes
[12:36:12] <Loetmichel> and it would be "if you can read this you are too close" if i would place any sticker back there
[12:36:27] <Loetmichel> or "shall i open the trunk so you can come a bit closer?"
[12:36:37] <Loetmichel> ... written in 10pt ;)
[12:37:26] <Jymmm> "Go ahead hit me"
[12:38:06] <CaptHindsight> http://s25.photobucket.com/user/Rena007/media/IMG_4202.jpg.html fool em
[12:39:07] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: Realize that REAL spikes don't even have to be sharp to be effective
[12:39:44] <Loetmichel> spikes would not pass german "tuev"
[12:39:51] <Jymmm> mount on a bumper https://rubberconstruction.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/loading-dock-bumper1.jpg
[12:40:02] <Jymmm> the what?
[12:40:19] <Loetmichel> german version of annual safety inspection
[12:40:35] <Jymmm> say they are for mounting various attachements
[12:40:39] <Loetmichel> bi-annual to be precise
[12:40:44] <Loetmichel> no way
[12:40:52] <Jymmm> bicycle rack, ladder, bbq, etc
[12:41:02] <Loetmichel> we even had to round of some of the bumpers i linked earlier
[12:41:12] <Loetmichel> for them to be "allowed"
[12:49:08] <CaptHindsight> sounds like Germany has changed since I was a kid
[12:49:23] <CaptHindsight> they used to not allow accidents
[12:50:04] <Loetmichel> CaptHindsight: these days the TUeV has managed to not allow and cow bars even on SUVs and offroaders that are new
[12:50:15] <Loetmichel> s/and/any
[12:51:06] <Loetmichel> you'll have to have a car built earlier than 2000 iirc to be able to mount even those fake chrome things
[12:51:17] <Loetmichel> legally
[12:57:22] <sync> that's not really true, you can get bull bars through if you disguise them as lamp holders
[12:58:15] <roycroft> what about installing gatling guns on your car?
[12:59:41] <CaptHindsight> might stick out too far
[13:00:00] <roycroft> then use a sawed-off gatling gun
[13:00:25] <roycroft> if the car is traveling fast enough one should be able to air cool it adequately
[13:01:13] <CaptHindsight> I think they have some law about shooting people
[13:01:33] <CaptHindsight> it's not like the USA
[13:02:04] <roycroft> we have laws against shooting people that apply to non-white people
[13:20:48] <Loetmichel> btw: funny thing: whil i lost a bit of plastic covering, the car that rear ended me was leaking coolant. and lost a headlight
[13:21:04] <Loetmichel> it seems that those rear bumpers are fairly sturdy ;)
[13:21:11] <Loetmichel> underneath the plastic
[13:29:35] <Jymmm> roycroft: Huh?! non white shooting???
[13:31:46] <IchGucksLive> Gn8
[14:17:28] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Fuji-Dimatix-Inkjet-printer-Materials-Printer-/182145645504 $85K machine listing and nobody checks it for typos
[14:29:49] <gregcnc> need a level? https://chicago.craigslist.org/sox/tls/5911123744.html
[14:30:42] <gregcnc> I should own a decent one
[14:30:52] <Wolf_> damn… and I thought the 98-12 I got for $84 was a good deal…
[14:31:54] <CaptHindsight> I don't trust gravity
[14:35:27] <gregcnc> what did gravity do to you?
[14:35:43] <CaptHindsight> always lets me down
[14:36:25] <gregcnc> you just have to get back up and keep going
[14:36:58] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Yeah! gravity Sucks!
[14:37:59] <CaptHindsight> I need 800L of epoxy flooring cheap
[14:38:41] <CaptHindsight> it's like $20k at Home Depot
[14:38:47] <gregcnc> fark
[14:39:46] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: hit the junkyard and grab every fiberglass car you can find, crush into a fine powder and sprinkle on floor, PROFIT!
[14:40:16] <CaptHindsight> where can I get granite dust in bulk?
[14:41:01] <Wolf_> quarry?
[14:41:07] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Google "cemeteries near me"
[14:43:59] <CaptHindsight> uranium free
[14:44:27] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: LICK IT
[14:45:05] <CaptHindsight> Granite Dust – $35 per cubic yard
[14:45:39] <Jymmm> and delivery cost?
[14:46:38] <CaptHindsight> $100 for 15 cu yards
[14:46:59] <Jymmm> minimum yardage?
[14:47:00] <gregcnc> for the floor?
[14:47:18] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: yeah, with epoxy binder
[14:47:52] <andypugh> Make an epoxy-granite machine tool integral with the floor.
[14:48:39] <CaptHindsight> andypugh: thats the thought
[14:49:08] <gregcnc> might be hard to sell
[14:50:31] <gregcnc> since when does 55+55=150? http://www.discountepoxy.com/products.php
[14:51:04] <gregcnc> oh when it's 55+55+55
[14:51:31] <Jymmm> 165
[14:58:16] <CaptHindsight> John Glenn passed
[14:59:20] <cradek> aw
[15:00:24] <Jymmm> 95yo
[15:09:27] <_methods> he got his money's worth out of this ride
[15:09:53] <Jymmm> Should we all be so lucky
[15:12:23] <djdelorie> heh, my great-grandmother died at 92. "What did she die of?" Dude, she died of being 92. So yeah, John, life well lived :-)
[15:16:47] <jdh> imagine climbing on top of a rocket with 60s tech
[15:22:08] <CaptHindsight> $140/cu yard for granite sand
[15:22:16] <CaptHindsight> cheap as dirt
[15:23:32] <djdelorie> around here, granite sand pretty much is the dirt...
[15:24:33] <CaptHindsight> $65 for crushed granite
[16:09:41] * JT-Shop grabs a beer and starts hanging itch
[16:12:08] * XXCoder grabs a soylent bottle
[16:12:18] <XXCoder> good morning
[16:13:37] <JT-Shop2> yo
[16:13:59] <XXCoder> hey jb's twin
[16:14:04] <XXCoder> *jt
[16:14:04] <roycroft> that stuff's made of people, you know
[16:14:17] <XXCoder> yep it makes it extra tasty
[16:14:34] <roycroft> and there could be liberals and neocons both mixed in the same bottle
[16:14:40] <roycroft> so it's poison no matter what your flavor
[16:14:52] <XXCoder> no wonder it taste so good
[16:15:22] <JT-Shop2> I think I'm backing down to LinuxMint 17.3 for the printer, cura won't run on Python 3.5
[16:15:40] <XXCoder> eh cura just isnt that good
[16:16:38] <XXCoder> hows your printing
[16:22:09] <XXCoder> honey + soylent = yummy
[16:22:58] <Roguish> hey JT-Shop, did you ever get debian jessie going with linuxcnc?
[16:25:56] <JT-Shop2> XXCoder: still trying to get some software installed in the beer cave
[16:26:00] <JT-Shop2> Roguish: nope
[16:26:12] <Roguish> ah, ok. just wondering.
[16:29:27] <XXCoder> supposed to snow all evening and night here
[16:29:34] <XXCoder> lets see. snow rarely lasts here.
[16:31:00] <XXCoder> lters time to work
[16:31:13] <JT-Shop2> later
[16:39:45] <Deejay> gn8
[16:43:19] <JT-Shop2> I think it's going to cost me $300 to install my free wood stove
[16:43:48] <JT-Shop2> Roguish: I've been side tracked playing with the logger and lost interest in debian
[16:44:36] <Roguish> ok, no problem. just wondering. how's all that going? gonna make it easily searchable?
[16:47:31] <JT-Shop2> http://gnipsel.com/logs/
[16:48:02] <JT-Shop2> I need to change the css file for that page so you can tell #linuxcnc is a link
[16:48:41] <JT-Shop2> hmm searching...
[16:48:55] <JT-Shop2> what do you think of the logs page?
[16:49:27] <Roguish> the calendar layout is nice. intuitive. looks good
[16:49:55] <JT-Shop2> thanks, the years will be in descending order
[16:50:00] <Roguish> can you add year past?
[16:50:03] <Roguish> ok.
[16:50:11] <Roguish> years
[16:50:28] <JT-Shop2> yea, for example 2015 will be below 2016 etc
[16:50:56] <Roguish> sounds fine. how far back can you go?
[16:51:09] <JT-Shop2> Tom has back to 2012
[17:18:19] <Tom_L> maybe i can get the server up this evening
[17:19:13] <Tom_L> seems every debian version has a few new quirks
[17:19:29] <JT-Shop2> what is the server for?
[17:19:36] <Tom_L> JT-Shop i do like mint though
[17:19:48] <Tom_L> for my webpage and the logs
[17:19:52] <Tom_L> it needed updated
[17:20:02] <JT-Shop2> you host it at your house?
[17:20:21] <Tom_L> oh, i did it because i wanted to test some bots that require python 3
[17:20:25] <Tom_L> yes it's here
[17:20:47] <JT-Shop2> cool, I don't have the bandwidth to even try
[17:21:07] <Tom_L> not even sure what mb is in it. it's just an old headless clunker
[17:21:35] <Tom_L> i've been hearing noise from the hdd for a few months so i figured it was time to get ready
[17:21:49] <JT-Shop2> python 3.4 and 3.5 are not fully compatible so the disk I'm prepping for the hot glue machine has to downgrade from mint 18 to 17.3
[17:22:08] <Tom_L> i'm not sure which one this is
[17:22:34] <Tom_L> i'll work on it this evening after some grub
[17:23:06] <Tom_L> i have the server working, just need to install php stuff so the pages will work
[17:23:19] <JT-Shop2> python3 -V
[17:23:20] <Tom_L> then put it online to test
[17:23:28] <Tom_L> lemme boot it and check
[17:24:07] <Tom_L> i changed it to static ip and need to finish that so i can get it back on the interweb
[17:24:28] <Tom_L> oh... how do i do the auto login?
[17:24:41] <Tom_L> i did it on ubuntu but forgot how i did it
[17:24:54] <JT-Shop2> for debian... hmmm
[17:25:28] <Tom_L> python3.4 it appears
[17:25:50] <JT-Shop2> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23600638/
[17:25:56] <JT-Shop2> debian auto login
[17:26:31] <Tom_L> then how can i add a user to the sudo list?
[17:26:40] <Tom_L> it griped about that last night
[17:28:53] <JT-Shop> hmm
[17:29:01] <JT-Shop> much warmer here
[17:30:48] <JT-Shop> did you add the user when you installed?
[17:31:30] <Tom_L> yes
[17:37:48] <Tom_L> message is: user is not in the sudoers file
[17:39:06] <JT-Shop> odd
[17:39:20] <JT-Shop> maybe another reason to not like debian
[17:39:34] <Tom_L> yeah ubuntu didn't do that
[17:39:44] <Tom_L> neither did the old ver of debian i'm using
[17:40:53] <Tom_L> In order for a user to run sudo, the user must belong to group=sudo.
[17:41:16] <JT-Shop> yea you have to know a lot of secret stuff lol
[17:42:47] <CaptHindsight> JT-Shop: what distro do you prefer?
[17:42:51] <Tom_L> root: adduser xxxx sudo
[17:42:53] <Tom_L> done
[17:43:27] <Tom_L> i figure no matter what OS you run you will have obstacles to overcome
[17:44:40] <Tom_L> that worked
[17:45:02] <Tom_L> they probably did that by default in debian
[17:45:33] <JT-Shop> I've found that debian has the most obstacles to overcome of any distro I've tried lately
[17:45:54] <JT-Shop> CaptHindsight: ATM I prefer LinuxMint 17.3 with the Mate desktop
[17:46:09] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Ubuntu = debian unstable
[17:46:15] <Jymmm> err testing
[17:46:52] <JT-Shop> ubuntu 10.04 was the best OS, it just worked
[17:47:00] <JT-Shop> no hassles no problems
[17:47:19] <Tom_L> i've still got it on my lcnc box
[17:49:12] <JT-Shop> I have it on 3 machines
[17:50:08] <Tom_L> i could use the old debian version on the server now if i could find the disk...
[17:50:28] <Tom_L> i'm thinking the drive may go one of these days and i wanna be ready
[17:50:30] * JT-Shop wonders where the Mrs. is... she is a bit late
[17:51:15] <Tom_L> hopefully i'll have something online tonight
[17:51:28] <JT-Shop> are you offline now?
[17:51:31] <Tom_L> no
[17:51:36] <Tom_L> i'll use another ip
[17:51:38] <Tom_L> for test
[17:52:03] <Tom_L> bring it in port 82 instead of 81
[17:52:09] <Tom_L> that's what i did befroe
[17:52:11] <Tom_L> before
[17:55:47] <JT-Shop> I was looking for a clean way to create the month rows and a person from ##python-friend gave me a tip any(a_item[-2:] == b_item for a_item in a for b_item in b)
[17:56:05] <JT-Shop> I forgot about the - in slicing
[17:56:29] <JT-Shop> so now if a month in a row is there create that row.
[17:56:41] <Tom_L> did you see psha's ?
[17:56:52] <JT-Shop> not in a while why
[17:56:54] <Tom_L> andy linked it earlier
[17:57:00] <Tom_L> he's got a calendar on his
[17:57:15] <Tom_L> he must have modded the code too :)
[17:57:18] <JT-Shop> http://gnipsel.com/logs/%23linuxcnc/index.html
[17:57:48] <JT-Shop> he seems to have connect issues
[17:57:51] <Tom_L> his adds the dates as the day arrives
[17:57:57] <Tom_L> i think
[17:58:10] <Tom_L> lemme find it
[17:58:19] <JT-Shop> I'm doing the same as a new day arrives rebuild the index
[17:59:02] <Tom_L> http://psha.org.ru/irc/%23emc-devel/index-2016.html
[17:59:02] <JT-Shop> wifey is home
[17:59:38] <Tom_L> apparently only shows the actual days he logged
[17:59:40] <JT-Shop> I think mine is a bit cleaner, what do you think?
[18:00:24] <Tom_L> yeah
[18:00:46] <Tom_L> kinda ironic his was updated
[18:00:52] <Tom_L> last i saw it was just like mine
[18:07:33] <JT-Shop> what I'm doing is if the month in that row is logged then create that whole row of months with the dates if there is a log for that date then add the link
[18:09:40] <Tom_L> i like yours and if the years scroll below the current one that's a bonus
[18:10:12] <JT-Shop> yep, the years will be in descending order
[18:10:21] <JT-Shop> got all that code worked out
[18:10:40] <Tom_L> hopefully autologin is worked out now
[18:11:11] * JT-Shop calls it a day and wanders inside
[19:40:05] <Tom_L> zeeshan whassup?
[19:40:23] <zeeshan> going through tool lists =/
[19:40:37] <Tom_L> configuring server
[19:40:43] <zeeshan> what server
[19:40:43] <zeeshan> =D
[19:40:53] <Tom_L> zlog
[19:40:55] <Tom_L> that one
[19:40:59] <zeeshan> ah
[19:41:09] <Tom_L> hdd is gettin a bit noisy
[19:41:19] <zeeshan> =D
[19:41:30] <Tom_L> been that way for months
[19:41:49] <Jymmm> Tom_L: dd /dev/sda/_old dev/sda_new done
[19:42:01] <Tom_L> updating the os too
[19:42:11] <Jymmm> why?
[19:42:29] <Tom_L> i wanna try some stuff that requires newer software
[19:42:43] <Jymmm> ah, VM's FTW
[19:45:31] <Tom_L> would you run a ssd on a server?
[19:45:44] <zeeshan> why not
[19:45:44] <zeeshan> ;p
[19:46:01] <sync> well, why would you use spinning rust in 2016? ;)
[19:46:26] <Wolf_> depends on read/write cycles expected
[19:46:29] <Tom_L> are they becoming reliable enough yet?
[19:47:09] <sync> not really Wolf_, I'm not nice to my ssds and never had a hard failure
[19:47:20] <Tom_L> Wolf_, mostly read i suspect
[19:47:33] <Tom_L> sync, what brand?
[19:47:45] <sync> samsung and intel
[19:47:48] <Tom_L> i've been using samsung lately
[19:48:04] <Tom_L> 1T & 500G
[19:48:50] <Wolf_> I haven’t messed with SSD much, was going to put one in the next Lcnc box i’m working on though, but only a 120gb
[19:49:35] <Tom_L> i wait for sales and get larger ones
[19:49:54] <Wolf_> I’m trying for cheap, <$40 lol
[19:51:07] <Tom_L> https://www.neweggbusiness.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA4N93XV5465&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleBizMKPL-PC&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleBizMKPL-PC-_-pla-_-Solid+State+Disk-_-9SIA4N93XV5465&gclid=CLj4waP55dACFd61wAodGrQCaw
[19:51:10] <Tom_L> http://www.bestbuy.com/site/samsung-850-evo-250gb-internal-serial-ata-solid-state-drive-for-laptops-black/1661028.p?skuId=1661028&ref=212&loc=1&ksid=47b4c775-f26b-4a03-b6f5-e8ada3b9a713&ksprof_id=8&ksaffcode=pg199125&ksdevice=c&lsft=ref:212,loc:2
[19:52:49] <Jymmm> Tom_L: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822179111&cm_sp=Homepage_FDD-_-P1_22-179-111-_-12082016
[19:53:05] <Wolf_> but, does my LCNC box that is probably going to be for my cnc plasma table really need even more then a 30gb ssd...
[19:53:44] <Valen> SSD's for ever
[19:53:56] <Tom_L> Wolf_ run it from a thumbdrive
[19:54:10] <Valen> ssd's and hdds have ~ the same failure rate
[19:54:22] <Valen> SSd's die instantly though in my experience
[19:54:22] <Wolf_> I thought about that as well…
[19:54:54] <Valen> write life of SSD's is in the hundreds of GB a day range these days so for lcnc I wouldn't worry about it
[19:55:16] <Tom_L> yeah, it's getting better
[19:55:24] <Tom_L> that's why i've been using them more
[19:55:45] <sync> idk, I have been putting them in stuff since about 2010 and never had a single hard failure
[19:55:46] <Valen> They make such a massive difference to the speed of the machine though I wouldn't use anything else unless I needed space or it was a paculiar load
[19:56:04] <Valen> (like say security camera recording)
[19:56:05] <Tom_L> yeah a nice bonus kick in the pants
[19:56:10] <sync> I have a few that got slow
[19:56:25] <Valen> I've got a few that have died died, but I do IT for a few companies
[19:56:51] <sync> although nvme is where the fun is at
[19:57:48] <Valen> going to get one of those soon
[19:57:54] <Valen> capturing raw HDMI data
[19:57:59] <Valen> going to be a bit exciting ;->
[20:00:05] <Tom_L> i'll wait for the price to drop
[20:00:24] <Valen> nvme isn't much more than sata ssd's at the moment
[20:00:33] <Valen> 1Tb ~$700 aud?
[20:00:51] <Tom_L> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147597&ignorebbr=1&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-PC&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-PC-_-pla-_-Solid+State+Disk-_-N82E16820147597&gclid=CP_Mx7_75dACFYe6wAodMucP5A&gclsrc=aw.ds
[20:01:36] <Valen> 2TB damn
[20:02:17] <Tom_L> you'll have to find new things to do with less spare time waiting
[20:03:35] <gregcnc> that's replacing the older pcie ssd?
[20:06:22] <Valen> just a different interface mostly I believe
[20:06:31] <Valen> it's still pcie-e
[20:06:53] <gregcnc> looks like a new spec for pcie 3.0
[20:07:05] <Tom_L> yay
[20:08:00] <Tom_L> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:82/~tom-itx/
[20:08:03] <Tom_L> can you see that?
[20:08:04] <Valen> $60 or so gets you an adaptor to go into a pcie slot
[20:08:11] <Tom_L> test server
[20:08:22] <gregcnc> yes
[20:08:54] <Tom_L> thanks
[20:09:07] <Valen> works for me
[20:09:30] <Tom_L> php still isn't working yet
[20:11:32] <Jymmm> Back
[20:11:33] <Jymmm> #avr
[20:11:33] <Jymmm> #avr old logs
[20:11:34] <Jymmm> #robotics
[20:11:36] <Jymmm> #robotics old logs
[20:11:38] <Jymmm> #garfield
[20:11:40] <Jymmm> #garfield old logs
[20:11:42] <Jymmm> #linuxcnc
[20:11:44] <Jymmm> #linuxcnc old logs
[20:11:46] <Jymmm> #linuxcnc-devel
[20:11:48] <Jymmm> #linuxcnc-devel old logs
[20:14:58] <Tom_L> hmm
[20:15:43] <Tom_L> mmm seems all that's left is enabling php
[20:15:49] <Tom_L> zlog2
[20:15:49] <zlog2> Tom_L: Log stored at http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~tom-itx/irc/logs/%23linuxcnc/2016-12-08.html
[20:15:53] <Tom_L> hah
[20:22:33] <zeeshan> zlog2
[20:22:35] <zeeshan> zlog2
[20:22:37] <zeeshan> :D
[20:22:44] <zeeshan> bye!
[22:22:02] <wzl> hi, somebody on master can check the vismach demo for me? I found an error with change_epilog and I wish to make sure that is not something in my install.
[23:28:15] <pink_vampire> hi
[23:46:02] <kyle____> hot damn
[23:46:11] <kyle____> i lapped the ways on my $40 x-y vise
[23:46:17] <kyle____> now it actually works
[23:46:28] <kyle____> was it worth the effort? probably not
[23:46:32] <Wolf_> can’t lap the backlash out :P
[23:46:38] <kyle____> it has adjustment screws
[23:46:47] <kyle____> so there's really not any backlash except for in the lead screws
[23:46:51] <kyle____> no racking side to side
[23:47:14] <kyle____> the screws have nuts on them to lock them in a position, too
[23:47:21] <kyle____> it's almost like they gave a shit about their product
[23:47:34] <kyle____> but then you look at the ways and compare to your bastard file...
[23:47:35] <Wolf_> yeah, locking it down works for drilling, mostly
[23:47:50] <kyle____> well, there are two adjustment screws and a locking screw with a wingnut
[23:48:07] <Wolf_> yeah I know, I have the same pos vice
[23:48:11] <kyle____> so if you're careful about how you assemble it, you can have it slide smoothly but not rack back and forth
[23:48:42] <kyle____> but you've gotta stick something slender into the space between the pieces and push the little clamping bar flush with the side of the dovetail
[23:48:48] <Wolf_> mine never had much twisting, gibs are tight, now the crap screw setup...
[23:49:00] <kyle____> the fucking screws, i know
[23:49:14] <Wolf_> like 1/2” of backlash lol
[23:49:18] <kyle____> the bottom axis nut is just wiggling around in an oversized hole, it's insane
[23:49:31] <kyle____> thinking about shimming it, might improve it slightly
[23:49:55] <kyle____> i think a cut-up aluminum can should do it
[23:50:23] <kyle____> i dunno, after lapping it a bit, i kind of like it
[23:50:36] <kyle____> almost makes me want to make real handwheels for it
[23:50:39] <kyle____> ... almost
[23:50:47] <Wolf_> lol
[23:51:07] <kyle____> thinking about signing up for techshop
[23:51:23] <kyle____> $150/month for unlimited access to lots of tools, sounds alright
[23:51:29] <Wolf_> half the time I go to use the drill press in my shop, the vice is laying on the floor, seems the guy I work with doesn’t like the thing
[23:51:46] <kyle____> lol, i would never subject someone else to my shitty vise
[23:52:09] <kyle____> but for screwing around at home, it's not too bad
[23:54:21] <pink_vampire> how is the dremel 4000 for pcb making?
[23:54:36] <kyle____> http://techshop.ws/ts_menlo_park_equipment.html
[23:56:54] <Wolf_> can’t say I have ever used a rotary tool for pcb work
[23:57:55] <pink_vampire> mmm