#linuxcnc | Logs for 2016-12-07

[00:09:43] <Wolf_> love looking at some of the stuff on ebay… servo motor, used, with the motor leads cut off almost flush with the housing
[01:04:42] <jesseg> So if I use a VFD on my mill, how fast can I run my motor? Let's say the VFD goes up to 400hz, can I gear my spindle so 400hz is within spindle spec speed, and then just use VFD to set spindle speed?
[01:06:02] <jesseg> Running the motor faster will have more eddy currents in core, more skin affect in coil, more wear on bearings, but lower torque and thus less wear on bearings, and more fan airflow so cooler operating, but hotter due to eddy and skin affect :P
[01:06:41] <Wolf_> sort of… if the motor can handle spinning almost 7x its rated speed
[01:06:56] <Wolf_> or something like that I think
[01:06:56] <enleth> jesseg: inertia/centrifugal forces trying to rip the rotor apart become a significant factor at high rotational speeds
[01:07:22] <enleth> jesseg: any imbalance is going to get "amplified" and the effect is nonlinear
[01:09:05] <Wolf_> yay ebay… I might get my damn $80 level after all..
[01:09:15] <jesseg> yeah I guess the core could fly apart
[01:09:44] <enleth> as a function of radius of the location of an imbalanced area, that is - even a small imbalance far out on the rotor will cause some serious vibration
[01:09:50] <jesseg> yeah
[01:10:02] <jesseg> 400hz is almost ten times 60hz so good point
[01:10:09] <enleth> and even a perfectly balanced rotor will just fly apart at some point
[01:10:15] <jesseg> yeah
[01:10:38] <Wolf_> bearings might lock up or fling all the grease/oil out as well
[01:10:43] <jesseg> well I wonder if I could get a 400hz motor. They do make them, I've seen small ones out of front load washing machines
[01:11:44] <Wolf_> ask andypugh https://youtu.be/2HdikHRXnAs
[01:12:54] <enleth> jesseg: I'm running a lathe spindle motor at up to 100Hz because that's what the machine's integrator did 30 years ago - I assume they knew what they're doing
[01:13:43] <jesseg> enleth, yeah I wouldn't expect double the normal speed to be a problem
[01:14:33] <jesseg> Wolf_, lol cool. A permanent magnet motor
[01:14:41] <enleth> the nameplate specifies that it's a 60Hz motor, but that lathe was factory specified to have a spindle speed range that simply requires the motor to run at 100Hz - the transmission is just a single multigroove belt
[01:15:21] <jesseg> yeah that sounds safe enough
[01:15:48] <enleth> jesseg: if your motor is a brand name part and the vendor is still in business, you could probably ask them about the safety margins of that particular model
[01:15:57] <jesseg> good point
[01:16:29] <enleth> I'd assume it's pretty common to overdrive off-the-shelf motors by some reasonable factor rather than ordering custom wound units
[01:16:40] <enleth> and the motor vendors surely account for that
[01:17:31] <jesseg> yeah, after all, a vender who makes a four-pole, a two-pole, and a single-pole (3400RPM) motor is going to use the same moving parts
[01:17:51] <jesseg> so it should *always* be fine to run up to like 4000
[01:18:08] <jesseg> I suppose some companies might not balance as well though for 4 pole motors
[01:18:26] <enleth> they could use cheaper bearings when assembling the lower speed units
[01:18:34] <jesseg> yeah I suppose they might huh :P
[01:18:35] <enleth> and that, too
[01:18:35] <Wolf_> ^ was about to say that
[01:19:00] <jesseg> so a cheaper bearing just runs louder and doesn't last as long, right? :P
[01:19:39] <enleth> it could fail abruptly and damage the rest of the motor
[01:19:41] <archivist> run up to a reasonable speed, is it quiet, try a bit higher
[01:20:15] <jesseg> enleth, haha any bearing can fail abruptly and damage the rest of the motor. The point is that more expensive bearings run for longer before they do it :P
[01:20:35] <archivist> what is more likely to not like the speed are the spindle bearings
[01:20:38] <jesseg> archivist, yeah that is what I was thinking, all common pending speed-caused failure modes will make noise
[01:21:32] <archivist> I use a vfd and if I push mine a bit high the spindle warms up
[01:21:33] <jesseg> archivist, yeah my thinking was to have fixed belt reduction to keep the spindle always under 4k or whatever it's rated at, and then get the full dynamic speed range by varying the VFD
[01:22:06] <archivist> I have taper roller bearings on the spindle
[01:22:46] <jesseg> archivist, how fast do you run it that it gets warm? and how fast is your typical max speed/
[01:22:57] <enleth> jesseg: I'd cautiously expect a non-shitty bearing to at least give a little warning in the form of noticeable noise or resistance before a sudden total failure, as long as it's operated within specs
[01:23:36] <enleth> jesseg: or generally to seize up, bog down the machine and cause a fault on the VFD rather than exploding
[01:24:00] <archivist> I dont take notice/remember, just speed up for a cut listening
[01:24:27] <jesseg> enleth, well, bearings fail from race surface degradation, ball surface degradation, and ball splitting, right?
[01:24:51] <enleth> and ingress of crap
[01:25:10] <jesseg> and I've heard if you blow shop air into the cage on a ball bearing that's spinning free, you can get it red hot.
[01:25:12] <jesseg> :P
[01:25:28] <enleth> huh, I'll have to try it sometime
[01:25:35] <archivist> a quiet cut is generally the right speed
[01:25:52] <jesseg> LOL just be careful, if it breaks the balls could kill you when they go flying :P
[01:26:13] <enleth> so far I've seen cooling fans explode after people tried to clean them with shop air
[01:26:30] <enleth> they make some funny noises in the process
[01:26:44] <archivist> I have only had total failure of one ball bearing, half shaft left the car :)
[01:26:52] <jesseg> archivist, do you have a ratio changer mechanism between motor and spindle, or do you get your full needed dynamic range of speed and torque with just the VFD? what is your motor:spindle ratio?
[01:27:23] <jesseg> archivist, and what, pray tell, caused the ball bearing to fail ? :D :D :D
[01:27:33] <archivist> manual belt change but rarely move from usual
[01:27:48] <archivist> old age
[01:27:50] <jesseg> Was it the quarter shaft whipping around LOL
[01:28:25] <archivist> had to collect the shaft and wheel from somebodies garden
[01:28:35] <jesseg> I know sometimes people's halfshaft's part from the wheel then whip around something terrible
[01:28:41] <jesseg> lol
[01:28:47] <Wolf_> I had a truck that would eat front wheel bearings
[01:28:56] <Wolf_> wheel never fell off though
[01:29:19] <jesseg> Wolf_, what was it like? Just smooth quiet ride and suddenly *bang* and the wheel locks up?
[01:29:24] <archivist> as it happened there was a local supplier with a second hand one in stock, rebuilt on the side of the road :)
[01:29:43] <jesseg> lol
[01:30:01] <jesseg> archivist, so is normal belt position between your spindle and motor roughly 1:1'ish?
[01:30:03] <Wolf_> lots of grinding and sloppy steering, did a few road side rebuilds
[01:30:05] <jesseg> generally?
[01:30:48] <jesseg> Wolf_, yeah I'm going to say that I think that bearings almost always start making noise for quite a while before failure in most applications most of the time, in the real world
[01:31:25] <Wolf_> they usually went out quick though, but 33” tire where stock was 27-28”
[01:31:50] <jesseg> thanks for everything gents, I
[01:31:56] <jesseg> I'm off to bed.
[01:32:21] <archivist> about 1:1 http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2008/2008_10_07_Richards_of_Burton_clockworks/P1010198.JPG
[01:32:30] <jesseg> I'll check back in the morning for any followup infos posted.
[01:32:57] <archivist> but it is morning! 7 AM
[01:33:28] <jesseg> archivist, oh cool so the motor doesn't mind turning a 3 inch fly cutter at 1:1'ish?
[01:33:47] <jesseg> yeah, it's 11PM in my time zone.
[01:34:02] <Wolf_> 2am
[01:34:17] <archivist> fly cutter is ok, a face mill would not be
[01:34:23] <enleth> oh, I just remembered I was wondering the other day - what's the proper trade name for the bearings that have significant slop when at room temperature and start operating smoothly after heating up?
[01:34:54] <jesseg> alrighty take it easy :D
[01:36:03] <archivist> enleth, high speed bearings, some have ceramics and no lube
[01:42:41] <archivist> model jets use the ceramic ones at silly RPM 60k and up
[02:25:37] <Deejay> moin
[02:25:58] <Wolf_> another night that I’m up too late
[02:27:00] <archivist> grr, no spare funds and shipping more than doubles the price http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/162310236388?ul_noapp=true
[02:27:32] <Wolf_>
[02:27:44] <Wolf_> that thing is less then 20mins from where I am at right now
[02:28:17] <archivist> I have a dead one, so I put that model on my watch list
[02:29:22] <Wolf_> that looks like its heavy...
[02:29:58] <Wolf_> 63lbs… yeah, shipping has to be killer on that
[02:30:56] <archivist> mine did run http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=3562a
[02:31:47] <archivist> it has a faulty unobtanium rectifier
[02:43:51] <Wolf_> sucks, can’t cludge something together that would work?
[02:45:30] <archivist> it is a 70 v 60 A Shottky rectifier, I may one day bodge it
[02:46:23] <archivist> one of those...did it kill the rest dont bother and get another type question
[02:46:41] <Wolf_> yeah..
[02:47:13] <archivist> I will never get one at the price I paid though :)
[02:47:44] <Wolf_> not at 63lbs and sitting in baltimore lol
[02:50:30] <archivist> I got this one for...£30 iirc
[02:50:45] <Wolf_> lol
[02:50:53] <Wolf_> I really need to learn where to shop
[02:51:37] <archivist> I went on an ebay collection for stereo microscopes, and the seller was trying to sell anything I was interested in :)
[02:51:56] <Wolf_> hehe nice
[02:52:21] <archivist> been to a couple like that, well worth the trip
[02:54:02] <archivist> one had a blown up Mitutoyo digital DTI, £5 replaced the regulator chip, perfect
[02:55:39] <Wolf_> that seller in baltimore has a lot of odd stuff lol
[03:01:54] <Wolf_> hmm, I might have to go check them out, found their web site, they also do free electronics recycling
[03:05:22] <archivist> poor mans spectrum analyser with spares http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/5-X-HP-3586B-SELECTIVE-LEVEL-METERS-OPT-001-003-004-/162311455691
[03:06:08] <archivist> we have a few dealers in the UK like that, fun visiting
[03:06:43] <archivist> have folding cash, and negotiate
[03:07:47] <Wolf_> yup, because odds have it that they probably got paid to haul most of the stuff they sell off site to begin with lol
[03:08:03] <archivist> then you end up with a stack http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=lounge+bench
[03:08:25] <Wolf_> haha
[03:08:55] <archivist> better wasted on gear than beer
[03:09:39] <Wolf_> my scope does look lonely on the bench…
[03:10:10] <Wolf_> I’m starting to think that a signal/function gen might be handy also
[03:16:12] <archivist> that 3562A toy has built in stimulus
[03:17:00] <Wolf_> probably way more then I would ever need in that thing
[03:17:20] <archivist> only noise iirc but that is ok for some work
[03:18:29] <archivist> I wanted to try it with a stepper and servo as it can do system response measurements
[03:25:32] <Wolf_> sounds neat, I don’t fully know what that means lol
[04:56:02] <XXCoder> dang arch
[06:14:02] <jthornton> morning
[06:15:55] <Frank_6> hi guys, anyone has experience with steels? i need to know if this rack is lamited or cold drawn http://imgur.com/a/y7BCS
[06:16:29] <XXCoder> hey jthornton
[06:18:15] <Frank_6> *sry its hot rolled vs cold drawn
[06:19:21] <jthornton> what's up XXCoder
[06:19:35] <XXCoder> just chilling and fairly soon bed
[06:20:58] <jthornton> I have 50' of wall left to insulate in the new shop then I have to figure out what I'm going to do up top
[06:22:22] <XXCoder> remove it
[06:24:07] <jthornton> I have R5 insulation under the tin roof but the trusses are on 4' centers so adding more insulation from the bottom is a bit of a challenge
[06:25:01] <archivist> Frank_6, may be hardened and tempered we cannot tell, supplier data might help
[06:26:47] <jthornton> from the photo the teeth are not flame hardened, no blue marks
[06:52:40] <Frank_6> archivist: yeah cant tell either, i've just emailed moore gears to see what they tell me
[06:53:27] <Frank_6> brb
[07:34:16] <Dissent> Blowing nearly $4000 on a cnc was the worst financial decision I've made in my life so far
[07:34:35] <Dissent> learn from my mistakes
[07:34:38] <Dissent> just get the omio, ppl
[07:34:42] <Dissent> or the 6040
[07:46:31] <XXCoder> what went wrong
[07:52:52] <_methods> lol
[07:55:15] <jymmm> $4000? That's not too bad on a CNC. I know someone that spent $900 on a stripper and did NOT even get laid
[07:56:01] <_methods> you weren't supposed to tell anyone about that jymmm
[07:56:13] <jymmm> I keep telling him to keep it in his pants (wallet)
[07:57:24] <jymmm> _methods: I thought you said not to say anything about the male stripper you ordered?
[07:58:08] <jymmm> ..or the shemale one?
[08:02:01] <gregcnc> dissent is polysomething?
[08:03:19] <jymmm> _methods: Or even worse, you bought one of these... (just admit it already we won't tease you too much ;) https://www.aliexpress.com/item/On-sale-Free-Shipping-DIY-Mini-Lathe-Machine-6-in-1-DIY-Mini-Micro-Lathe-Machine/735816460.html
[08:09:02] <Dissent> xD
[08:09:22] <gregcnc> So that razor is still in kit form?
[08:09:32] <Dissent> yes, sadly
[08:09:40] <gregcnc> why?
[08:09:42] <Dissent> but I am making progress, trying to shim under the ballnut housing to stop the binding
[08:09:53] <Dissent> I got it on a granite table and leveled the rails with guage blocks
[08:10:04] <Dissent> but the housing is sitting too high now
[08:10:04] <gregcnc> how much is left?
[08:10:20] <Dissent> I'm going to pick up some shims
[08:10:24] <Dissent> and then it shoulndt be much
[08:10:35] <Dissent> this is the only hold up, the rest is together
[08:10:46] <gregcnc> keep at it
[08:14:48] <Dissent> will do
[09:52:10] <Simonious> I checked in last night, but more people are probably awake now - my question is this: I've got a friend who is building a big warping mill, she is using a trailer axle as her center axle and she wants to mount that in pillow block bearings, the problem is the spindles are 1.05" (by my measure) and bless her, she picked up 1" pillow blocks, no go. My plan is to have her pick up 1 1/16" pillow blocks,
[09:52:16] <Simonious> which will give her a delta of .0125" or ~1/64th, which for a machine going at a max speed of ~10RPM seems fine to me, especially since the rest of her wheel won't be that accurate. Also the pillow blocks use set screws and if we really cared we could probably center things up that way.
[09:52:53] <Simonious> ha that isn't a question. Here are the questions: How does that sound? Is there a better option I'm not thinking of?
[09:54:56] <archivist> or just get the right size bar rather than mess about with and old axle (is it tube)
[09:55:26] <Simonious> it's square with spindles
[09:55:38] <Simonious> she bought it new.. it's tough to advise someone else on a project
[09:56:03] <Simonious> because.. they have their own ideas and confidence levels that don't always mesh with what you are trying to tell them.
[09:57:58] <skunkworks> can you buy even bigger bearings and make a sleeve?
[09:58:20] <Simonious> skunkworks: yes, or buy a sleeve, but is that a better option than the 1 1/16
[09:58:22] <Simonious> ?
[09:59:08] <archivist> rattling fit should be ok considering the application
[09:59:54] <skunkworks> I really don't know what a warping mill is
[09:59:56] * skunkworks googles
[10:00:00] <Simonious> :)
[10:00:19] <Simonious> http://www.harrisdevelopment.co.uk/images/hatt.jpg
[10:00:32] <skunkworks> oh - for yarn and such
[10:00:51] <skunkworks> (should have know but wasn't in that mode on linuxcnc irc.. My mom is a weaver..)
[10:01:03] * Simonious nods
[10:01:14] <skunkworks> go for it. it will be fine
[10:01:51] <archivist> google shows a bunch of square ones and even vertical axis
[10:10:53] <CaptHindsight> swap yarn with carbon fiber, add resin
[10:11:52] <SpeedEvil> some CF knitting machines are ridiculously spendy
[10:17:43] <Roguish> Simonious: probably shouldn't let the bearings be too sloppy on the shafts. (or the shafts inside the bearings) try shims. can be as simple as wrapping with foil until you get a snug fit.
[10:19:10] <SpeedEvil> coke cans have been used
[10:19:57] <Simonious> I wonder if that'd be too big
[10:20:27] <Simonious> https://cdn.instructables.com/FCT/UD71/GJQEI5FU/FCTUD71GJQEI5FU.LARGE.jpg
[10:21:20] <Simonious> nope, looks dang near perfect.
[10:22:35] <Roguish> ive used plain old aluminum foil. works fine. avoid wrinkles though.
[10:27:34] <MacGalempsy> morning/evening :)
[10:28:13] <Simonious> is that like: sorry/not sorry?
[10:30:48] <MacGalempsy> no a world concious intro :)
[10:38:58] <FinboySlick> Simonious: That earlier mill looks like a child labour instrument.
[10:39:35] <skunkworks> CaptHindsight, do you know of a good place local to get edm oil?
[10:40:34] <jesseg> I thought they used kerosene for EDM :P
[10:44:55] <CaptHindsight> skunkworks: http://www.belmont4edm.com/locations.php?l=illinois
[10:45:43] <gregcnc> i learned of www.blackhawkid.com recently
[10:45:58] <CaptHindsight> skunkworks: http://www.edmzap.com/edmproducts.htm Lisle, IL
[10:47:15] <Simonious> FinboySlick: most of the ones of that era have been outfitted with gearing and motors, originally you may be right. Those designs are out of the 1800s.
[10:47:57] <skunkworks> CaptHindsight, Thanks!
[10:49:12] <CaptHindsight> skunkworks: pricing http://www.4machining.com/4m-Lubricants/EDM-Dielectric-Fluid
[10:50:16] <CaptHindsight> skunkworks: http://www.belmont4edm.com/osc/edm-oil-c-21_33.html carries 3 brands
[10:51:50] <CaptHindsight> skunkworks: ask Tom P on the mail list, he knows just about every nook and cranny of EDM
[10:52:02] <skunkworks> Yes - he does ;)
[11:18:57] <gregcnc> might as well not get out of bed anymore https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/dobot/dobot-m1-pro-robotic-arm-for-makers-and-businesses
[11:28:51] <pink_vampire> cute
[11:29:54] <CaptHindsight> a cheap SCARA that once it gets modded to work with LCNC could have some use
[11:30:41] <CaptHindsight> 0.02mm accuracy is an exaggeration
[11:42:38] <SpeedEvil> It says repeatability - which is not quite the same
[11:42:53] <SpeedEvil> oh - it says precision elsewhere - nvm
[11:43:08] <CaptHindsight> yeah, whatever specs
[11:43:25] <CaptHindsight> typical ChinaCo
[11:44:00] <archivist> but what size mm :)
[11:44:55] <CaptHindsight> http://dobot.cc/download-center/
[11:45:23] <skunkworks> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgOqEz5Tk-Y
[11:45:34] <CaptHindsight> looks like there's a *duino in there
[11:47:54] <archivist> hehe user manual is only .2mm
[11:48:12] <archivist> some lies somewhere
[11:49:18] <archivist> and is that position spec per joint or sum of joints
[11:55:46] <CaptHindsight> 0.2mm sounds more like it
[11:56:10] <CaptHindsight> at low speeds and 10% of rated load
[11:56:35] <CaptHindsight> just accurate enough for pick-n-place
[11:56:46] <CaptHindsight> but it won't last long
[12:09:01] <CaptHindsight> they only give you an API, so no source to the control app
[12:16:37] <jymmm> CaptHindsight: https://github.com/DobotTeam/Dobot_for_Developers
[12:17:40] <jymmm> CaptHindsight: Protocol https://github.com/DobotTeam/Dobot_for_Developers/blob/master/protocol/Dobot_protocol_en_1.0_beta.pdf
[12:23:41] <CaptHindsight> yup no source to the control app
[12:24:32] <jymmm> the client?
[12:25:25] <CaptHindsight> the GUI
[12:26:33] <jymmm> CaptHindsight: This? https://github.com/DobotTeam/Dobot_for_Developers/blob/master/DobotTools/DobotClient/src/MainWindow.cpp
[12:31:06] <jymmm> Loetmichel: how the hell are ya =)
[12:31:35] <CaptHindsight> jymmm: it's all just GUI
[12:32:09] <Loetmichel> surprisingly well for not sleeping that good for 4 days (back ache, must have pinched a nerve somehow on last friday)
[12:32:30] <Loetmichel> + had a
[12:33:19] <jymmm> CaptHindsight: Well, just use lcnc then, the protocol is listed
[12:33:38] <jymmm> Loetmichel: Ah, yeah, pitched nerves are a BITCH.
[12:34:46] <jymmm> Loetmichel: I suggest mass quantities of alcohol, a hot tub, and massuse
[12:34:54] <CaptHindsight> jymmm: thank you for your insight
[12:35:06] <CaptHindsight> I'd be lost without you
[12:35:14] <jymmm> CaptHindsight: I know.
[12:36:04] <jymmm> CaptHindsight: And the answer to your next question is 42
[12:36:14] <CaptHindsight> 30 + 1 =
[12:36:17] <CaptHindsight> close
[12:36:28] <jymmm> I said NEXT question
[12:36:35] <CaptHindsight> I'd like to see their client
[12:37:04] <CaptHindsight> how many times an hour does jymmm dream of me?
[12:38:14] <CaptHindsight> the trick always seems to be how to make a GUI easy to use for the non-tech type
[12:38:53] <jymmm> CaptHindsight: https://youtu.be/5BykilS816E?t=1m5s
[12:40:27] <IchGucksLive> hi
[12:41:03] <CaptHindsight> jymmm: you boiling water in the black pipe?
[12:42:12] <gregcnc> anyone else hate the smell of tap magic?
[12:42:18] <jymmm> CaptHindsight: No, using as a burn chamber
[12:42:22] * skunkworks raises hand
[12:42:33] <jymmm> gregcnc: is that the cinamon one?
[12:42:45] <gregcnc> smells like oregano to me
[12:42:58] <jymmm> water based?
[12:43:12] <gregcnc> no
[12:44:01] <gregcnc> http://www.tapmagic.com/product/1/tap-magic-ep-xtra
[12:44:18] <jymmm> gregcnc: This is what I use, water based, and cinnamon scented https://www.amazon.com/LPS-Tapmatic-Metalworking-Fluid-Liquid/dp/B00B73ZU9K
[12:44:48] <Wolf_> I need to try out the anchor lube that I picked up black friday…
[12:45:24] <gregcnc> I have some tampatic natural that stuff stinks too I swear it's mostly biodisel made from fry oil
[12:45:52] <gregcnc> and takes the paint of anything
[12:45:59] <CaptHindsight> get some scented oils and add a few drops
[12:46:04] <jymmm> gregcnc: http://www.dillonsupply.com/default.aspx?page=item+detail&itemcode=03990049
[12:46:06] <CaptHindsight> it won't effect the tapping
[12:46:25] <jymmm> I like this stuff, smells nice too
[12:46:32] <CaptHindsight> I wouldn't mind the smell of fries and chicken
[12:46:34] <gregcnc> yeah they have fuel scents I wanted to try in my rc engines
[12:46:55] <jymmm> CaptHindsight: you must be hungry =)
[12:47:03] <gregcnc> it's lunch time
[12:47:20] <CaptHindsight> just ate
[12:47:32] <jymmm> Maybe I'll hit Popeyes friday
[12:47:47] <CaptHindsight> jymmm: do you make your own diesel?
[12:47:54] <jymmm> CaptHindsight: nah
[12:48:03] <jymmm> nothing to run on it
[12:48:44] <gregcnc> make your ethanol instead
[12:48:49] <jymmm> BTW, that lil wood camp stove is going back.
[12:48:59] <gregcnc> you broke it already?
[12:49:27] <jymmm> It leaked creosote like a SOB last night.
[12:49:35] <Wolf_> lol
[12:49:56] <jymmm> No, it's actually pretty durable, thick steel
[12:50:13] <Wolf_> wood gasifier stove IMO
[12:50:20] <CaptHindsight> too many holes in the bottom?
[12:50:51] <jymmm> The flue pipe sections are wrong.... They have them with male end AWAY from appliance instead of towards it.
[12:51:18] <jymmm> So cresote leaked out in between each section
[12:51:35] <jymmm> ...instead of dripping into the firebox
[12:53:34] <andypugh> Simonious: Maybe 1.125 bearings and shim out with http://simplybearings.co.uk/shop/p142540/16D12-Wrapped-Steel-Plain-Bearing-Bush-1x1-1/8x3/4-inch/product_info.html
[12:53:54] <CaptHindsight> sounds like a ChinaCo stove
[12:54:34] <andypugh> Wolf_: Sorry, I was away. DId you have a question about the video?
[12:54:45] <IchGucksLive> Q someone her got thrue the glade problem with arrow key movement direction change as it has been in axisrc
[12:55:08] <Wolf_> andypugh: not me, someone else has said something about spinning washer motors ;D
[12:55:20] <IchGucksLive> without the glade gui it workes fine
[12:55:36] <andypugh> It’s hard to do without fitting your own hall sensors. By that is easy.
[12:56:09] <IchGucksLive> in side axisrc i can change keyy bindings then as glade gui is loaded even on ngcgui frame it fails
[12:57:52] <Loetmichel> hmmm
[12:58:06] <Loetmichel> jymmm: is creosote flammable?
[12:58:27] <jymmm> Loetmichel: at higher temps, yes.
[12:58:42] <Wolf_> creosote in the flue pipe means your burn is way too cold (i think)
[12:58:45] <CaptHindsight> jymmm: I'm surprised that it didn't come shipped with the flue jammed closed
[12:58:52] <Loetmichel> its that "wood tar" that appears when not buring with enough oxygen, isnt it?
[12:58:56] <jymmm> Loetmichel: The #1 call the Fd gets is cresote chimne fires... NASTY NASTY fire
[12:59:12] <Loetmichel> jymmm: i had that once
[12:59:18] <jymmm> Loetmichel: Yes, like when ppl load up at night and damper down so it'll burn all night long
[12:59:32] <Loetmichel> its odd when you touch the wall and its nearly to hot to touch
[12:59:43] <jymmm> Loetmichel: That's why I keep a bucket filled with 50lbs of sand around
[12:59:45] <Wolf_> jymmm: http://www.montanastove.com/page5.html worst web page you will ever see but lot of wood stove stuff
[12:59:48] <CaptHindsight> thats why you need to call those guys with the tall hats and long brushes
[12:59:57] <Loetmichel> and on the roof of the building you see 50 feet of flame raging out of the chimney ;)
[13:00:20] <jymmm> Loetmichel: Exactly, or just toss in TSP into a hot fire couple times a week
[13:00:40] <Loetmichel> but as our chimney was made of 2 layers of double burned bricks no FD needed
[13:00:40] <jymmm> CaptHindsight: No hat, but I have the brushes
[13:00:53] <CaptHindsight> http://www.pennyroll.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Bert-mary-poppins.jpg
[13:01:04] <Loetmichel> we just let it have its way and it died out an hour later... and the chimney was clean as fu** again ;)
[13:01:47] <jymmm> Loetmichel: lmao, well I'm in a forest so, just can't "let it burn" like that
[13:02:06] <Loetmichel> that would be bad if you had a drought lately ;)
[13:02:27] <Loetmichel> ... it sounded like an angry cat tho
[13:02:30] <Loetmichel> *FSSS*
[13:03:07] <jymmm> Yeah, ia chimney fire is a scary thing
[13:03:23] <jymmm> and theres isnt a damn thing you can really do about it
[13:03:42] <Loetmichel> its basically an xxxxl rocket stove ;)
[13:04:10] <Loetmichel> you can close the bottom flap of the chimney and steal the fire inside the air
[13:04:16] <Loetmichel> works in some cases
[13:04:19] <Wolf_> if it has enough draft going you can throw a box of baking power at it
[13:04:42] * jymmm pats Wolf_ on the head... here's a cookie
[13:05:10] <CaptHindsight> large drum of vinegar and baking soda at bottom
[13:05:32] <Wolf_> they also use to sell a extinguisher stick that would kill the fire as well
[13:05:41] <CaptHindsight> also removes stuck climbing boys
[13:06:54] <gregcnc> what's in those flue logs?
[13:07:43] <jymmm> ?
[13:07:49] <CaptHindsight> TSP
[13:09:52] <CaptHindsight> http://www.hearth.com/talk/threads/dont-count-on-tsp-to-clean-your-chimney.15365/
[13:17:59] * JT-Shop takes a monkey pickle break
[13:36:19] <IchGucksLive> hi JesusAlos
[13:36:29] <IchGucksLive> lots of rain at your home location
[13:42:28] <IchGucksLive> Gn8
[15:08:19] <MacGalempsy> i never thought taking our dog in to be out down would be difficult.
[15:20:11] <FinboySlick> MacGalempsy: As Louis CK would say, this is us investing in sadness.
[15:20:48] <MacGalempsy> thanks.
[15:21:03] <MacGalempsy> its wierd when facing new events
[15:21:17] <_methods> oh that sucks
[15:23:41] <_methods> i don't know what i'd do without my dog
[15:25:33] <MacGalempsy> she has been going downhill for sometime, but last night she stopped eating
[15:26:02] <_methods> poor dogger
[15:28:23] <MacGalempsy> yep. she is 13 and that is old for boxers. it doesnt make it easier...
[15:28:37] <MacGalempsy> we are off to the vet. ttyl
[15:28:38] <_methods> mine is about 11 or so
[15:38:32] <SpeedEvil> :/
[16:21:03] <Deejay> gn8
[17:05:00] <andypugh> I miss my Boxer. Well, it was my ex-girlfriends Boxer. I miss her less.
[17:05:58] <JT-Shop> lol
[17:14:45] <Tom_L> JT-Shop
[17:14:53] <Tom_L> what desktop do you run on your linux?
[17:15:07] <Tom_L> i'm installing 8 for a server and i certainly don't like their default
[17:16:04] <Tom_L> gnome, xfce, kde, cinnamon, mate and lxde are the choices
[17:17:28] <jt> Tom_L: I prefer Mate, a good balance of just working and easy to configure
[17:17:51] <andypugh> Messing about with a lathe, maths and HAL components. https://youtu.be/z6dK41_usfQ
[17:18:03] <jt> gnome is the worst and cinnamon right behind with xfce being a bit lacking
[17:18:10] <BeachBumPete> kewl my buck board arrived... ready to go in the CNC lathe build ;)
[17:18:38] <Tom_L> i'll give it a try
[17:18:42] <jt> I've not tried lxde, I did try kde a while back but didn't like it
[17:18:51] <Tom_L> you know now you just became tech support for it :)
[17:19:11] <jt> no problem you just have to figure out where I am lol
[17:19:29] <Tom_L> can i run it headless without logging in?
[17:19:55] <JT-Shop-2> I've never tried that, but you can auto login
[17:20:10] <Tom_L> i'll want that set up for sure
[17:20:33] <JT-Shop2> doesn't a server do that automagicly
[17:20:36] <Tom_L> been so long since i've messed with it i'm not sure what i did
[17:20:40] <Tom_L> it may
[17:20:54] * JT-Shop2 goes back to hanging insulation
[17:20:56] <Tom_L> it's running debian 2.6 something right now i think
[17:27:30] <JT-Shop2> are you going debian or linuxmint?
[17:28:16] <Tom_L> debian
[17:28:20] <Tom_L> 8.6
[17:41:29] <JT-Shop2> I find debian annoying to use
[17:42:05] <BeachBumPete> I suppose this is a question I need to ask myself about what operating system to use for the CNC lathe build...
[17:47:37] <CaptHindsight> JT-Shop2: what annoys you about it?
[17:47:43] <andypugh> I have a feeling that I failed to publish that video. Did the link work?
[17:48:15] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6dK41_usfQ&feature=youtu.be works
[17:49:43] <JT-Shop2> debian makes it as difficult as possible to share files over your LAN for one... the list goes on
[17:50:44] <DaViruz> andypugh: interesting
[17:51:08] <DaViruz> do you compensate for the varying height of the journal as well?
[17:51:19] <DaViruz> i guess that would have to be in relation to the grinding disc diameter in some way
[17:51:27] <andypugh> Yes.
[17:51:48] <DaViruz> is it possible to measure a grinding disc accurately enough?
[17:51:53] <jymmm> And.... we have snow =)
[17:52:02] <DaViruz> i suppose it must be
[17:52:28] <andypugh> I think that in practivce you would adjust tool offset to get the required diameter (as normal) and adjust the wheel diameter to reduce the elipricity.
[17:52:31] <DaViruz> oh, now i got to the part where it syncs up. cool
[17:53:03] <DaViruz> will you be grinding an actual crank?
[17:53:17] <andypugh> No, but I know a man who might
[17:54:51] <andypugh> It would be hard to grind a crank with my “toolpost grinder” after all :-)
[17:55:28] <skunkworks> andypugh, I thought the motion looked funny - until I saw the end view...
[17:55:43] <skunkworks> and it following the arc of the 'grinding wheel'
[17:56:00] <skunkworks> how did you actually hal it?
[17:56:41] <andypugh> custom comp that acts like the offset component, but with maths
[17:57:24] <skunkworks> neat
[17:57:36] <DaViruz> hmm
[17:58:01] <DaViruz> my first instinct was that the system would be extremely sensitive to knowing the correct grinding wheel diameter
[17:58:10] <DaViruz> or else it would produce a very non-circular part
[17:58:37] <DaViruz> but now that i think about it, a slight error would probably produce a circular part, however of the wrong size?
[17:58:47] <skunkworks> andypugh, you give it the grinding wheel diameter, crank arc and journal diameter?
[18:00:28] <sync> DaViruz: active dressing works around that
[18:02:10] <DaViruz> well it works around the changing size, not the not-knowing-the-diameter part
[18:03:05] <BeachBumPete> http://www.floridatoday.com/story/tech/science/space/2016/12/06/delta-iv-night-launch-increase-military-bandwidth/95044470/
[18:04:08] <DaViruz> but it is a very interesting idea
[18:04:43] * JT-Shop2 starts clearing the temp work bench...
[18:05:14] * jymmm hands JT-Shop2 the "temporary" dumpsters
[18:05:32] <sync> DaViruz: it works around the not knowing the size
[18:05:37] * jymmm hands JT-Shop2 the "temporary" dumpsters to clear the temp work bench
[18:05:37] <sync> as you dress it to a known value
[18:05:51] <skunkworks> andypugh, amazing
[18:06:07] <JT-Shop2> no dumpster needed just more flat spots
[18:06:12] <DaViruz> i don't really see how you can dress it to a known value
[18:06:24] <DaViruz> that works for a conventional cylindrical grinder
[18:06:41] <DaViruz> where you never really need to know the exact diameter of the grinding wheel
[18:06:45] <DaViruz> though i may be missing something
[18:07:25] <sync> you know where your edge of the dresser is
[18:07:31] <sync> so you can position it to get a known diameter
[18:07:34] <andypugh> It uses the current diameter (from tool and coordinate offsets) as part of the calculation.
[18:07:40] <sync> you can also model the wear of the dresser if you want
[18:08:02] <andypugh> But you need to tell it the wheel diameter.
[18:10:12] <sync> you could also measure actual wheel diameter optically but usually you want to dress constantly
[18:12:10] * JT-Shop2 wanders inside to make some shrimp etouffee
[18:12:18] <DaViruz> i suppose it could be augmented to do non-circular things too. like a camshaft
[18:13:11] <sync> the dresser? sure but why would you want the wheel to be non circular
[18:13:30] <sync> you'd need really fast actuators for everything else then
[18:13:32] <DaViruz> the part. not the wheel
[18:13:42] <sync> sure
[18:28:06] <BeachBumPete> Man I forgot how neat it was to be able to go outside and watch the launches at the Cape. Looked like it was just a few miles away... COOL!
[18:34:31] <_methods> luck dag
[18:35:19] <Frank_6> andypugh: i get notifications to me cellphone of your videos hehe
[18:35:23] <Frank_6> to my*
[18:36:19] <andypugh> That’s slightly scary.
[18:36:45] <skunkworks> andypugh, I have cameras setup in your workshop.. It is awesome
[18:36:45] <Cromaglious_> Veterans administration says they are getting ready to mail me information about my claims. I be getting money before the end of the month....
[18:38:25] <_methods> i like money
[18:42:19] <Frank_6> ups, i didnt thought you wouldnt like me to subscribe!
[18:47:11] <MacGalempsy> i like money too
[18:47:47] <_methods> back from the vet?
[18:48:06] <MacGalempsy> yeah. it was pretty tough
[18:48:12] <_methods> i bet
[18:48:20] <_methods> i would be passed out drunk
[18:48:29] <MacGalempsy> especially watching my wife hold her
[18:48:37] <MacGalempsy> as she expired.
[18:48:42] <_methods> man
[18:48:50] <MacGalempsy> we are drinking now
[18:48:57] <_methods> here eat a whole bag of treats
[18:49:08] <_methods> treats all day
[18:49:17] <MacGalempsy> she wouldnt eat anything
[18:49:33] <MacGalempsy> that was the decision point
[18:49:34] <_methods> that sux
[18:49:47] <Frank_6> im sorry mate
[18:50:00] <MacGalempsy> thanks guys.
[18:50:39] <MacGalempsy> my wife is a trooper though. she went to class after
[18:52:54] <_methods> sorry you had to go through that
[18:53:12] <_methods> i think i'd have to go get another one pretty quick to fill the void
[18:53:21] <_methods> be too weird around the house
[18:53:33] <MacGalempsy> nah. we got 3 others and she is done with dogs.
[18:53:42] <MacGalempsy> next up are kids
[18:53:47] <_methods> oh lawd
[18:53:53] <MacGalempsy> yeah!
[18:53:56] <_methods> don't do them they're worse than dogs lol
[18:54:10] <_methods> they shit all over, eat all your food, spend all your money
[18:54:14] <enleth> don't forget to get new food
[18:54:16] <_methods> and then get mad at you
[18:54:42] <_methods> at least the dogs love you after all that hahah
[18:55:06] <MacGalempsy> ha!
[18:55:21] <MacGalempsy> enlath: she was on her own food
[18:56:33] <enleth> MacGalempsy: I mean, for the kids, in case there's any left after the dogs
[18:57:44] <enleth> as _methods said - and they don't even like the same food
[18:58:29] <_methods> no no
[18:58:33] <_methods> they all like your food
[18:58:39] <_methods> they always want your food
[18:58:45] <_methods> except vegetables
[18:58:52] <_methods> neither of them want to eat that shit
[18:58:54] <_methods> haha
[19:00:11] <enleth> _methods: I've seen a dog happy to munch on cooked carrots
[19:00:16] <enleth> it might have been a weird dog, though
[19:00:37] <_methods> hehe
[19:00:47] <_methods> i'm sure there are some weird kids out there somewhere too
[19:08:17] <MacGalempsy> our schnauzer eats veggies
[19:08:29] <MacGalempsy> probably more than most kids
[19:08:55] <andypugh> I think it is good that the dog eats more veg than kids.
[19:11:07] <enleth> MacGalempsy: schnauzer? well, he's not the first short yappy German with a weird moustache who ate a lot of veggies
[19:13:20] <MacGalempsy> lol. he might taste them and bite on them, but hes too small to take one down
[19:18:05] <BeachBumPete> MacGalempsy Sorry for your loss my friend.
[19:19:01] <MacGalempsy> thanks. we are down, but not out. just getting tipsy
[19:19:05] <BeachBumPete> One of the best dogs I ever had was a SChnauser
[19:19:13] <BeachBumPete> Schnauzer
[19:19:23] <BeachBumPete> his name was Max and he was awesome
[19:19:46] <BeachBumPete> he actually lived a very long time thankfully
[19:19:49] <jymmm> MacGalempsy: Now, you need to get a Mastif ;)
[19:20:04] <BeachBumPete> I am looking at getting a dog too
[19:20:09] <jymmm> MacGalempsy: A Mastif "lap dog"
[19:20:11] <BeachBumPete> not sure what kind yet.
[19:20:19] <MacGalempsy> ffffff dude NO WAY!
[19:20:32] <MacGalempsy> they eat and shit too much
[19:20:42] <jymmm> MacGalempsy: I didn't say WHO's lap... https://i.ytimg.com/vi/HuMFIq2XTqk/maxresdefault.jpg
[19:21:17] <MacGalempsy> 180+ lbs?
[19:21:33] <jymmm> MacGalempsy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTWVJQ2LJlk
[19:21:53] <MacGalempsy> probably the big dude haggred in harry potter
[19:21:54] <BeachBumPete> There is a lady selling some really nice looking German Shepherd pups in the local Facebook for sale posti
[19:22:52] <MacGalempsy> if i got another dog it would be a pit
[19:23:11] <BeachBumPete> Noooo
[19:23:31] <MacGalempsy> or dobe
[19:24:12] <BeachBumPete> Woah cool just sold another custom scope rail ;)
[19:24:36] <BeachBumPete> working on one for another popular rifle here right now...
[19:27:09] <_methods> score
[19:27:39] <kyle____> lemme guess, AR-15?
[19:27:57] <kyle____> if so, what kind of pricing? i may or may not be building one...
[19:28:02] <BeachBumPete> No I am not into firearms really
[19:28:20] <kyle____> ah okay
[19:28:29] <BeachBumPete> altho with the amount of people that love them it would not be a bad idea
[19:28:41] <BeachBumPete> I just do not wish to get into the whole FFL thing
[19:28:49] <kyle____> that's the cool part about the AR-15
[19:28:56] <kyle____> unless you're selling lower receivers, you don't need to
[19:29:06] <kyle____> i suppose that's true for most/all guns though
[19:29:10] <BeachBumPete> I'm open for suggestions :)
[19:29:29] <kyle____> https://www.rainierarms.com/media/product/3e9/bcm-m4-upper-receiver-assembly-bcm4-ur-m4-by-bravo-company-mfg-ca7.jpg
[19:29:34] <kyle____> think you could pull one of these off?
[19:30:46] <BeachBumPete> thats the whole upper
[19:31:39] <BeachBumPete> http://i.imgur.com/NjOGyl3.jpg
[19:31:48] <BeachBumPete> I make rails like this
[19:32:34] <kyle____> yeah
[19:32:43] <kyle____> i've never seen any on an AR-15 not integrated
[19:32:53] <BeachBumPete> yeah I understand that
[19:33:19] <BeachBumPete> I would be more interested in some sort of accessory that goes on the rails or something like that.
[19:33:45] <BeachBumPete> http://i.imgur.com/MfnkmnE.jpg
[19:33:48] <BeachBumPete> :)
[19:34:06] <jdh> a female-female rail so you can mount another receiver on top
[19:36:29] <BeachBumPete> hehe
[19:43:29] <zeeshan> anyone here use kennametals km40 tools?
[19:48:00] <Tom_L> ok noob, ask the _real_ question
[19:52:15] <Tom_L> zeeshan you lookin for quickchange tooling?
[19:52:57] <zeeshan> well theyu're about 300% more money
[19:53:01] <zeeshan> compared to regular tooling
[19:53:14] <zeeshan> im going through the tool list at work
[19:53:19] <zeeshan> trying to see what we really need initially
[19:53:25] <tiwake> anyone know anything about the kia rio 2006?
[19:54:32] <Tom_L> zeeshan is this for a new line or are you switching out all their tooling?
[19:54:38] <zeeshan> new machines
[19:54:51] <Tom_L> they don't share tooling?
[19:55:10] <Tom_L> we had carts beside every machine but shared some tooling, not all..
[19:55:20] <zeeshan> nah
[19:55:36] <zeeshan> i can see the km40 being useful
[19:55:55] <Tom_L> cost effective over standard tooling?
[19:56:00] <zeeshan> only if you can change the tool accurately while running a program
[19:56:06] <zeeshan> we have currently two horizontal live tool holders
[19:56:15] <zeeshan> one will likely have an end mill most of the time
[19:56:21] <zeeshan> but the other really can't just be a drill
[19:56:25] <zeeshan> most of the time we're tapping too
[19:56:31] <zeeshan> so if we can keep the drill in there first
[19:56:53] <zeeshan> then call a manual tool change and put in the new quick change tap head
[19:56:56] <zeeshan> it would be worth it
[19:57:05] <zeeshan> but i don't see anything in their catalog that talks about repeatability
[19:57:07] <Tom_L> i'm not sure about that really
[19:57:22] <Tom_L> as quick as tool changers are anymore i doubt you can beat it manually
[19:57:45] <Tom_L> do those have prefetch?
[19:57:55] <zeeshan> ya
[19:58:07] <Tom_L> i'm not sure you would benefit that much really
[19:58:17] <zeeshan> you're saying just remove the whole tool
[19:58:18] <Tom_L> human intervention is always slower
[19:58:20] <zeeshan> which makes sense to me
[19:58:28] <zeeshan> noo you're not getting me!
[19:58:31] <gregcnc> your talking for a lathe right?
[19:58:33] <zeeshan> we only have 2 live tool holders on the lathe
[19:58:55] <zeeshan> the way the cat40 goes in is you remove a cap
[19:59:00] <Tom_L> so they don't have changers on them?
[19:59:01] <zeeshan> then you unscrew the draw bolt
[19:59:16] <gregcnc> is the turret out of space?
[19:59:21] <zeeshan> gregcnc: yes
[19:59:28] <gregcnc> then you do what you have to do
[19:59:59] <gregcnc> Sandvik Capto has been around for a long time and is essentially the same thing
[20:00:24] <Tom_L> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/SANDVIK_TURN_H.pdf
[20:00:34] <Tom_L> not sure anything like that is in there
[20:00:44] <Tom_L> but there's their catalog
[20:01:04] <Tom_L> capto is there
[20:01:56] <zeeshan> i see them trying to sell us a 2" face mill
[20:01:58] <zeeshan> for the lathe
[20:01:58] <zeeshan> lol
[20:02:58] <gregcnc> or http://www.wto-quickflex.com/
[20:03:07] <gregcnc> it's nothing new
[20:04:00] <zeeshan> i know
[20:04:06] <zeeshan> just trying to figure out if it's really worth it.
[20:04:07] <gregcnc> I look through too many catalogs
[20:04:34] <Tom_L> you said it would be mainly for drill / tap operations
[20:05:38] <zeeshan> yea
[20:05:48] <zeeshan> you could just undo the drawbolt you know :P
[20:06:13] <Tom_L> the live tooling has no changer for them right?
[20:06:25] <zeeshan> nope
[20:06:27] <Tom_L> it's currently manual anyway
[20:06:29] <zeeshan> you manually put them in
[20:06:42] <gregcnc> yeah but you setup for the job
[20:06:57] <Tom_L> in that case it _could_ save time if it's cost effective for the number of holes you do
[20:07:11] <Tom_L> it should be a one time change
[20:07:18] <Tom_L> per part
[20:07:42] <Tom_L> how long does it take to swap tools
[20:07:57] <Tom_L> how much does the quickchange tooling cost
[20:08:05] <zeeshan> a lot more
[20:08:10] <Tom_L> how much is the monkey changer gettin paid?
[20:08:25] <Tom_L> monkey X change time != quickchange cost
[20:08:39] * BeachBumPete thinks I am the monkey changer in my own shop :(
[20:09:10] <Tom_L> if the monkey doesn't have all 10 fingers, reconsider
[20:09:47] <zeeshan> give you an example
[20:09:53] <Tom_L> it's quite marginal whether you would benefit on that operation
[20:10:09] <zeeshan> precision drill chuck cat40 is 126 CAD for example
[20:10:23] <Tom_L> use collets
[20:10:30] <Tom_L> don't use a chuck
[20:10:45] <zeeshan> km40 holder = $186.56 , km40 drill chuck $363.81
[20:11:11] <Tom_L> almost 2x as much
[20:11:16] <zeeshan> 2x??!
[20:11:27] <zeeshan> 550/126
[20:11:33] <zeeshan> 4x
[20:11:48] <Tom_L> i misread sry
[20:12:09] <zeeshan> i really don't see the point of a face mill
[20:12:10] <zeeshan> on a lathe
[20:12:15] <Tom_L> give the monkey a bonus every time he beats his previous toolchange time
[20:12:38] <gregcnc> bananas are cheap
[20:12:40] <Tom_L> if you're machining flats on a part it may
[20:12:54] <zeeshan> you could use an end mill then
[20:12:56] <gregcnc> all depends what you're making
[20:12:59] <Tom_L> you could
[20:13:05] <Tom_L> it depends on what you're making
[20:13:06] * BeachBumPete likes bananas
[20:13:35] <zeeshan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuHBcJyHFV4
[20:13:38] <zeeshan> seems more usefulk to me
[20:13:41] <zeeshan> than a 2" face mill
[20:14:06] <kyle____> sorry BeachBumPete, got busy; maybe you could make some iron sights
[20:14:25] <gregcnc> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Upz47ykWnRQ
[20:14:31] <kyle____> make em look really fancy
[20:14:52] <kyle____> http://harristacticalonline.com/images/MagPul%20MBUS%20BLK.jpg
[20:14:57] <kyle____> here's a popular sort right now
[20:15:23] <gregcnc> I wonder how well these work in the real world https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdOfHEzXMMA
[20:15:33] <zeeshan> greg that is a nice example
[20:15:41] <BeachBumPete> hehe I appreciate it man but I have a couple other items on the to do list here right now....
[20:17:55] <Tom_L> zeeshan, tool for the parts you make
[20:18:07] <zeeshan> yea
[20:18:10] <Duc_mobile> The house we have put a offer on will need the garage completely rewired due to shitty work. Lots of out in the open wire nuts and electrical tape wire splices
[20:18:12] <zeeshan> i really dont see a need for that face mill
[20:18:20] <zeeshan> if we do, we can buy it when the time comes
[20:18:27] <zeeshan> i don't see why we need to stock up all this stuff
[20:18:31] <zeeshan> when it's a day lead time for most things
[20:18:47] <gregcnc> did the rep see the work being done?
[20:18:56] <zeeshan> ya
[20:18:58] <Tom_L> maybe you could save operations on parts if you had one.. just depends on the turds you're machining
[20:22:42] <gregcnc> damn they're all sold out http://shop.nordstrom.com/s/made-solid-small-leather-wrapped-stone/4497172
[20:22:56] <zeeshan> why would you want that
[20:23:13] <gregcnc> lol zee
[20:23:27] <zeeshan> did i get trolled
[20:23:44] <gregcnc> upscale pet rock
[20:24:37] <zeeshan> why is it that a lot of amplifier's peak current
[20:24:40] <zeeshan> is twice that of rms
[20:24:52] <zeeshan> when a lot of servos can handle 4x rms
[20:33:58] <Tom_L> zeeshan you done any more of those fancy turds lately?
[20:34:05] <zeeshan> nahh
[20:34:08] <zeeshan> slowly researching
[20:34:18] <zeeshan> i wanted to originally use the fanuc servo drives..
[20:34:24] <zeeshan> but later found out they're 3 phase input
[20:34:44] <zeeshan> i might end up having to go with shit mc
[20:34:46] <zeeshan> aka amc
[20:35:19] <Wolf_> damn amc amps…
[20:35:27] <gregcnc> how big are those servos?
[20:36:39] <Wolf_> I just got 2 more AMC drives off ebay today...
[20:36:51] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/bOBzubN.jpg?1
[20:36:54] <zeeshan> greg ^
[20:37:24] <Wolf_> 25A20 drives zeeshan ?
[20:37:29] <zeeshan> nah man
[20:37:31] <zeeshan> too small for this crap
[20:37:35] <zeeshan> cause their peak current is shit
[20:37:39] <zeeshan> i have that problem with my mill right now
[20:37:43] <zeeshan> i can't go any faster than 200 ipm
[20:37:52] <zeeshan> er
[20:37:59] <zeeshan> accelerate faster than like 18in/s^2
[20:38:08] <zeeshan> becomes a problem when trying to tap
[20:38:18] <zeeshan> sorry not tap
[20:38:20] <zeeshan> dyanmic mill
[20:38:22] <Wolf_> hit current limit on the drives?
[20:38:27] <zeeshan> yes
[20:38:41] <zeeshan> the amc drives are a funny one
[20:38:44] <zeeshan> the errors are self resetting
[20:38:58] <zeeshan> you'll see a flash of red from the drive
[20:39:02] <zeeshan> and it'll go back green :p
[20:39:12] <Wolf_> yeah, just has a error out pin lol
[20:39:37] <Wolf_> I have 2 of them on the desk right now
[20:39:44] <zeeshan> be25a20ac?
[20:40:23] <Wolf_> yeah one is b25A20ac, others are BE25A20 w/out built in power
[20:40:43] <gregcnc> Some AMC can be set to 4:1 peak /cont
[20:51:42] <zeeshan> looks like centroid has some drives specifically for the yellow cap fanuc motors
[20:55:42] <Simonious_> alright 1 1/16 pillow block bearings, no special needs, pretty light load - where should I be looking to source?
[20:56:19] <zeeshan> home depot
[20:56:36] <Tom_L> damn that was too eash
[20:56:38] <Tom_L> easy
[20:57:03] <Tom_L> setting up a new webpage server
[20:57:16] <Simonious_> zeeshan: I don't believe they carry that size, it's kindof an oddball
[20:57:23] <zeeshan> i kid
[20:58:06] <zeeshan> Simonious: you could just use a 1.5" bearing
[20:58:17] <Simonious_> zeeshan: I don't feel like making a collar if I can avoid it
[20:58:18] <Wolf_> bearing store
[20:58:27] <Simonious_> sleeve, wathever
[20:58:28] <zeeshan> then machine or buy a sleve for it
[20:58:30] <Simonious_> *Whatever
[20:58:46] <Simonious_> https://www.thebigbearingstore.com/1-1-16-pillow-block-bearings-ucp206-17/ this'd work though
[20:58:50] <zeeshan> why are you using odd size shafts
[20:58:50] <zeeshan> :p
[20:59:01] <zeeshan> there you go
[20:59:03] <Simonious_> not my choice, helping a friend
[20:59:04] <zeeshan> =D
[21:08:31] <zeeshan> pcw_home: please recommend me some drives!
[21:08:48] <zeeshan> pcw_home: you're the one who said be25a20ac drive will not be good enough for accel/decel
[21:16:03] <Wolf_> put two drivers in parallel?
[21:16:04] <Wolf_> :P
[21:16:11] <zeeshan> lol
[21:16:21] <zeeshan> ok bed time
[21:16:24] <zeeshan> i will check the logsd
[21:16:29] * zeeshan stalks pcw_home