#linuxcnc | Logs for 2016-12-03

[00:16:06] <sync> evilroot: they look quite similar to the mitsubishi robot controls
[00:16:14] <sync> with all the board stacked up in there
[00:24:28] <newhere33> hello
[03:14:21] <Deejay> moin
[03:14:50] <XXCoder> yo
[05:10:36] <jthornton> morning
[05:12:26] <XXCoder> yo
[05:22:31] <jthornton> downloading linuxmint 18, got slic3r to compile on 17.3 but when i tried to run got a seg fault lol
[05:23:27] <XXCoder> lol ok
[05:25:26] <Moronicsmurf> Got Linuxmint 18, with a preempt kernel to work on a Lattepanda (Quad core 1.8Ghz, 4Gb ram, SOC chip) was kinda neat.. =)
[05:25:37] <Moronicsmurf> now just getting this 7i76E to work as well.
[07:01:20] <Kinder-Pingvi> Hi guys! I have a small question. Earlier I always used linuxcnc distro for my prefers. I have bought a new laptop and my prefer to use any newer distro with linuxcnc
[07:02:29] <Kinder-Pingvi> Can I use for example Ubuntu 16.04 for it? Of course I ask you about it beacuase I didn't found ppa's for latest ubuntu's distro with linuxcnc. As I read I can use maximum ubuntu 12.04, right?
[07:02:51] <XXCoder> not too sure but I do know you must have rt kernel
[07:03:05] <XXCoder> and that is getting harder to do with newer kernels
[07:03:09] <XXCoder> but besides that dunno
[07:03:15] <XXCoder> maybe someone will answer later
[07:03:39] <Kinder-Pingvi> Yes. Thanks for response. I think the same that with newer distro it is more hard. But wait for another answers..
[07:03:45] <jthornton> LinuxMint 18 can work
[07:04:35] <Kinder-Pingvi> jthornton, really?
[07:05:05] <jthornton> yea, I'm installing it now on a PC and building the rt-preempt kernel
[07:05:07] <Kinder-Pingvi> So ubuntu 16.04 could be user for it, right? Mint 18 based on ubuntu 16.04
[07:05:19] <jthornton> I would assume so
[07:05:22] <XXCoder> hey jthornton is it safe to upate linux? my linuxcnc computer it has tons of updates but unsure safe to or not
[07:05:36] <jthornton> you have to build a rt-preempt kernel and use it
[07:05:38] <Kinder-Pingvi> jthornton, so you have built youself kernel? because ppa is absent
[07:06:04] <jthornton> XXCoder: update everything except the OS
[07:06:23] <Jymmm> lmao
[07:06:23] <XXCoder> so dont do disto update ok
[07:06:25] <jthornton> I've built a bunch of kernels
[07:06:27] <XXCoder> i guess also not kernel
[07:06:27] <jthornton> right
[07:06:33] <jthornton> right
[07:06:46] <XXCoder> (unless i build my own l;ol)
[07:07:18] <jthornton> yep
[07:07:30] <jthornton> the notes I'm working from to build 18 http://paste.ubuntu.com/23572431/
[07:07:40] <XXCoder> good to know
[07:07:54] <jthornton> I bumped my weights up by 10 lbs and man I feel the burn now lol
[07:08:15] <jthornton> I wish I had a 5lb weight to put on the stack
[07:08:35] <_methods> i had to buy 1lb and smaller weights for micro loading
[07:09:07] <JT-Mint18> I need to cut something from a 1" plate I think
[07:09:41] <XXCoder> heh my work sometimes is full of exercise
[07:09:46] <XXCoder> and sometimes its opposite,.
[07:09:51] <_methods> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0158QP2EY/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1
[07:10:39] <_methods> sometimes adding 5lbs is too much
[07:10:41] <XXCoder> most extreme was one day where I didnt even stand for 7 hours, then finally parts got done, I changed that and sat for next 3 hours
[07:10:55] <XXCoder> so 10 hours of pay to stand once
[07:11:42] <_methods> getting ready to go to the gym myself
[07:11:45] <jthornton> I have one of these http://i.walmart.com/i/p/00/09/63/62/99/0009636299886_215X215.jpg
[07:11:56] <XXCoder> theorically anyway really i checked chip bins once a hour to make sure it dont pile up and spill chips
[07:12:00] <jthornton> weight stack on back is 10lbs each
[07:12:15] <_methods> i'm a freeweight kinda guy
[07:12:28] <XXCoder> im noexercise kinda guy
[07:12:36] <_methods> never been able to deal with those machine things
[07:12:42] <XXCoder> my muscle issues get worse the more I exercise
[07:13:22] <jthornton> I got it to help with a shoulder injury I got from a lawn mower engine
[07:13:23] <_methods> well i had an acute case of sedentitis for about 5 years and had enough of that
[07:13:30] <Jymmm> _methods: Is that like free food if you weight 350+ ? #heartattackgrill
[07:13:38] <_methods> started going back to the guym
[07:13:54] <_methods> heheh #freefat
[07:14:01] <XXCoder> _methods: I wish i can. but muscle problem means i have to balance between good muscles and uncontrollable spasms
[07:14:06] <Jymmm> #friedinlard
[07:15:31] <Jymmm> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p79kj34zvO4
[07:16:09] <_methods> krazeeburger
[07:17:26] <XXCoder> heh I miss ice house reserant
[07:17:49] <XXCoder> used to give you noteit paper to draw something or name if eat 1 pound hamburger
[07:17:57] <XXCoder> not easy even for me
[07:18:10] <XXCoder> I also miss caboose reserant, huge burger
[07:18:15] <XXCoder> olace burnt down
[07:18:46] <pink_vampire> why linux cnc makes corner round?
[07:19:18] <XXCoder> oh yeah can avoid that with g27 if I recall right? been a while
[07:20:00] <pink_vampire> what do you mean?
[07:20:07] <XXCoder> hold on a sec
[07:20:17] <XXCoder> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?TrajectoryControl
[07:20:29] <XXCoder> I was wrong on number but yeah g64 or g61 on or off
[07:20:54] <XXCoder> can even turn it on or off depend on needs, on for curves then off for corners
[07:22:05] <pink_vampire> to just add it on the top of the code?
[07:22:43] <XXCoder> it would set everything to sharp corner. just place it anywhere before it starts movement I thinjk
[07:23:34] <pink_vampire> http://pastebin.ca/3743993
[07:23:42] <pink_vampire> this is a small gcode
[07:24:22] <XXCoder> can place it in g90 g94 ... line
[07:24:22] <pink_vampire> under the g21 to add it?
[07:24:48] <XXCoder> that would work too
[07:25:10] <XXCoder> it would work almost anywhere you can even turn it on and off between movement lines
[07:25:19] <XXCoder> depends on what you need
[07:25:50] <pink_vampire> what is the most accurate one?
[07:26:09] <pink_vampire> g61? g64?
[07:26:45] <XXCoder> g64 is on and g61 is off, so I guess you want g61
[07:27:23] <pink_vampire> G61 (exact stop mode)
[07:27:33] <pink_vampire> G61 (exact stop mode) G61 tells the planner to come to an exact stop at every segment's end. This ensures exact path following but the full stops can be harmful to the workpiece or the tooling, depending on the particular cut.
[07:27:44] <XXCoder> indeed
[07:27:46] <Jymmm> pink_vampire: https://youtu.be/w4s6H4ku6ZY?t=18s
[07:28:45] <pink_vampire> g6?
[07:29:21] <XXCoder> g61 has some risk from what I understand. I only used g61 once with pencil drawing test so dunno how well it would work on metal milling
[07:30:11] <Jymmm> pink_vampire: (just playing)
[07:30:54] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r95cjqIo1NA pink vampire
[07:31:07] <pink_vampire> lets see
[07:31:26] <XXCoder> no idea what its like it might be curse liden or silent or anything in between
[07:31:33] <pink_vampire> did you google me!!
[07:31:44] <XXCoder> nah searched at youtube
[07:32:14] <pink_vampire> "An analog girl in a digital world..making beautiful music in the deep dark night. "
[07:32:22] <pink_vampire> from ate about page
[07:32:26] <Jymmm> Upgraded FF and got ___ =(
[07:33:00] <Jymmm> Upgraded TB and got ____ too
[07:33:00] <jthornton> pink_vampire: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/user/user-concepts.html
[07:34:15] <pink_vampire> I'm trying to run it again
[07:34:18] <pink_vampire> with g61
[07:34:24] <JT-Mint18> scripts/sign-file.c:25:30: fatal error: openssl/opensslv.h: No such file or directory
[07:34:24] <JT-Mint18> compilation terminated.
[07:34:31] <JT-Mint18> hmm hit a snag
[07:37:29] <pink_vampire> also HUGE bug why linux cnc stop the code in the middle and point an error about missing Mcode, it's need to fine something like before you run the code.
[07:38:22] <XXCoder> stuff like that is why I dry run stuff
[07:38:35] <XXCoder> prevents scraps
[07:39:21] <jthornton> submit a bug report
[07:39:41] <XXCoder> yeah good idea
[07:39:51] <XXCoder> make it evaluate program before actually running
[07:39:54] <XXCoder> find any bad stuff
[07:40:05] <jthornton> yea complaining about something here will just get lost
[07:44:00] * JT-Mint18 wonders why libssl-dev didn't get installed with the rest of them... oh well back to kernel building
[07:44:38] <JT-Mint18> XXCoder: going to try and build the new slic3r on this LinuxMint 18 PC
[07:44:54] <XXCoder> you probably wont have issue
[07:45:03] <XXCoder> i had to reinstall opengl to get it to woirk
[07:45:32] <JT-Mint18> I got it built and installed but when I tried to run it I got a seg fault
[07:46:35] <JT-Mint18> I forgot to ask PCW if his Linuxmint 18's were running 64bit or not...
[07:50:29] <pink_vampire> how can I open a bug?
[07:53:08] <JT-Mint18> https://github.com/linuxcnc
[07:54:09] <JT-Mint18> more specifically https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc then select issues
[07:55:00] <pink_vampire> O_o
[07:55:32] <Jymmm> pink_vampire: https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/issues
[07:55:45] <Jymmm> pink_vampire: then click on NEW ISSUE
[07:56:04] <pink_vampire> i need a user and password?
[07:57:25] <Jymmm> pink_vampire: You have to have/create a github account (free)
[07:57:42] <pink_vampire> what is github?
[07:57:49] <pink_vampire> it's like facebook?
[07:57:54] <JT-Mint18> no
[07:58:02] <JT-Mint18> it's a place to share code
[07:58:06] <Jymmm> pink_vampire: No, it's a source code repository
[07:58:25] <pink_vampire> I'm not a programmer
[07:58:40] <Jymmm> you dont have to be
[07:58:41] <JT-Mint18> what does that have to do with anything?
[07:59:51] <XXCoder> anyone can report problems
[08:00:50] <Tom_L> facebook for geeks
[08:02:03] <jthornton> lol
[08:02:41] <pink_vampire> why they ask $7/month?
[08:02:46] <pink_vampire> anyway. feel free to report it the M code bug, this thing is wayyy too geeky for my.
[08:03:03] <jthornton> it's not a problem for me
[08:03:23] <Jymmm> pink_vampire: That's the commercial version (like for a business)
[08:04:25] <pink_vampire> but the linux cnc is free for any use/ or you have to pay if you do commercial stuff??
[08:04:34] <XXCoder> its free in any way
[08:04:45] <XXCoder> no limited license no commerical license
[08:05:06] <XXCoder> though if you make massive business running it I'd suggest make some donations to keep getting newer versons
[08:07:17] <jthornton> for example Tormach hired a programmer to improve LinuxCNC so they could have a much better trajectory planner
[08:07:46] <XXCoder> result they benfit, and by extension, we benefit
[08:08:57] <pink_vampire> but as far as i saw they keep the code only for them
[08:09:43] <archivist> you have the new TP
[08:10:48] <pink_vampire> what is tp?
[08:11:37] <XXCoder> trajectory planner I guess
[08:14:05] <pink_vampire> also there is something very cool with linux cnc, you press shift + arrow and the machine jog in rapid, but on the opposite direction. with arrow without shift is work fine just slower.
[08:24:12] <JT-Mint18> yea, the kernel is still building
[08:33:24] <zeeshan> that tP
[08:33:34] <zeeshan> is a frigging option in mazaks
[08:33:38] <zeeshan> its called shape compensation
[08:33:38] <zeeshan> :D
[08:33:47] <zeeshan> Freeeeeeeeee for us!
[08:35:10] <Tom_L> written by a tormach programmer?
[08:35:18] * Tom_L doubts it
[08:36:30] <zeeshan> no
[08:36:30] <zeeshan> :p
[08:37:28] <zeeshan> it'd be nice to restart g-code from a certain line
[08:37:41] <zeeshan> i wonder what's involved in it
[08:37:54] <Tom_L> run from line
[08:37:59] <archivist> people are working on run from line
[08:38:05] <zeeshan> i wonder what's involved in it
[08:38:14] <Tom_L> load more code
[08:38:19] <archivist> knowing the state
[08:38:24] <Tom_L> it's a comp i think
[08:38:25] <zeeshan> could you ignore all g01, g02, g03 , canned cyucle moves before it
[08:38:43] <zeeshan> that way you load all the appropriate S M codes?
[08:38:58] <zeeshan> or would it be better to search backwards from that line
[08:39:01] <zeeshan> for any relevant codes
[08:39:37] * tiwake pokes BeachBumPete
[08:39:52] <archivist> read the mailing list for odd chatter on the subject
[08:39:53] <Tom_L> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/man/man1/moveoff_gui.1.html
[08:40:01] <Tom_L> i think that's the beginning of it
[08:40:44] <zeeshan> i guess to do moveoff
[08:40:47] <zeeshan> you'd need to run from line
[08:40:53] <zeeshan> when you restart it
[08:41:03] <zeeshan> actually it's really not the same
[08:41:06] <zeeshan> cause if you e-stop
[08:41:18] <zeeshan> or end the program prematurely
[08:41:24] <zeeshan> it loses track of what happened before
[08:41:42] <BeachBumPete> hey tiwake
[08:42:03] <tiwake> BeachBumPete: how are you this glorious morning?
[08:42:05] <BeachBumPete> Morning lunuxCNC
[08:42:22] <BeachBumPete> well I slept great and slept in a bit...so just about perfect!
[08:42:47] <tiwake> what a glorious start to a glorious day
[08:42:49] <BeachBumPete> waiting on the amazing pancakes my wife is making that smell awesome...
[08:43:26] <tiwake> tonight I'm going to start cooking some beans
[08:43:34] <BeachBumPete> then I plan to head out to the shop and try to turn the CNC lathe around and reposition it so I can start stuffing that bigass electronics enclosure with new parts ;)
[08:45:34] <BeachBumPete> what kind of beans?
[08:45:39] <tiwake> pinto
[08:45:47] <BeachBumPete> ah....chili?
[08:45:55] <tiwake> chili does not have beans
[08:46:04] <BeachBumPete> ?
[08:46:26] <BeachBumPete> every chili I ever ate had lots of different kinds of beans....
[08:46:47] <tiwake> http://www.chilicookoff.com/history/history_of_chili.asp
[08:47:58] <BeachBumPete> well it appears that THAT kind of Chili has no beans ;)
[08:48:26] <tiwake> _real_ chili does not have any beans
[08:48:30] <archivist> it does have beans on that page see Incas
[08:48:35] <tiwake> :P
[08:51:03] <JT-Shop> chili does not have beans...
[08:51:14] <BeachBumPete> Oh here we go....
[08:51:19] <JT-Shop> lol
[08:51:40] <tiwake> BeachBumPete: evidently its more of a texas thing... having moved to texas, I've opted to adapt as much locality as possible
[08:52:04] <BeachBumPete> I have been to texas and had chili incidentally...
[08:52:12] <BeachBumPete> I don't recall it NOT having beans in it..
[08:52:12] <JT-Shop> yea, you can't find chili here only bean soup
[08:52:21] <BeachBumPete> in fact if it did I would have been like WTF??
[08:52:36] <BeachBumPete> :)
[08:53:07] <Tom_L> chef thornton has spoken...
[08:53:09] <tiwake> BeachBumPete: then again, when I inquired my dad about the topic, who is a professional chef for... uh... 30 years? he agreed that chili should not have beans
[08:53:26] <JT-Shop> lol
[08:53:42] <BeachBumPete> there was a guy in our church in Tennesee
[08:53:48] <BeachBumPete> he grew his own peppers
[08:53:52] <BeachBumPete> and ingredients
[08:54:04] <BeachBumPete> he used to bring his special chili to our church dinners
[08:54:08] <BeachBumPete> SHIT WAS HOT!!!!
[08:54:13] <tiwake> jep
[08:54:22] <JT-Shop> it's like anything else you grew up experiencing it's what you know
[08:54:24] <BeachBumPete> I used to douse it down with sour cream until it was tolerable
[08:54:26] <tiwake> the way its supposed to be
[08:54:33] <BeachBumPete> but DAMN was it tasty
[08:54:46] <BeachBumPete> and incidentally it had several different types of beans in it ;)
[08:54:51] <tiwake> burn out any parasites with the spice
[08:55:05] <BeachBumPete> burn your gullet all the way down too ;)
[08:55:16] <BeachBumPete> light your sinuses on fire
[08:55:23] <BeachBumPete> yup
[08:55:28] <BeachBumPete> hehehehe
[08:55:30] <JT-Shop> a buddy of mine from Ponchatoula used to make two burn chili
[08:55:33] <tiwake> though most americans have pansy tongs, so I don't believe you that it was spicy
[08:55:44] <JT-Shop> burned on the way in and out
[08:55:52] <BeachBumPete> well I am italian and portugese actually :)
[08:56:01] <tiwake> italians are even worse
[08:56:06] <BeachBumPete> Oh hell pancakes are done...
[08:56:08] <tiwake> cant take anything spicy
[08:56:27] <BeachBumPete> Like hell
[08:56:58] <tiwake> I've had italians over for dinner before
[08:57:13] <tiwake> it was so mild... and they were complaining about it being spicy
[08:57:16] <tiwake> like what
[08:57:20] <Kinder-Pingvi> Please tell me more about installation process of linuxcnc on for example mint 18 (or ubuntu 16.04). I have bought mesa 7i92. I have success installed it on latest linuxcnc distro 2.7.8. Ethernet configured, mesaflash works. halrun also works great. What about newer distro? Ubuntu/Mint? Where I can found all needed utils and the linuxcnc? Is there any PPA for it? Or I should compile it from sources? I have bought a new laptop
[08:57:21] <Kinder-Pingvi> and it requires a newer distro to support my hardware.
[08:58:24] * JT-Shop seems to recall posting a link just a few minutes ago for mint 18
[08:59:08] * JT-Shop goes to check the kernel build
[08:59:43] <Tom_L> <jthornton> the notes I'm working from to build 18 http://paste.ubuntu.com/23572431/
[09:01:21] <JT-Mint18> yep still building
[09:03:17] <Tom_L> if you're building an OS to use, what OS do you use to build the OS?
[09:03:23] <JT-Mint18> a couple of updates http://paste.ubuntu.com/23572905/
[09:04:03] <Tom_L> seems like a chicken / egg thing
[09:04:20] <Kinder-Pingvi> What about my small question? :)
[09:04:41] <Tom_L> did you read those links?
[09:05:26] <Kinder-Pingvi> Are here the people who uses any another distro for linuxcnc? something newer that it?
[09:05:28] <Kinder-Pingvi> than it*
[09:05:37] <JT-Mint18> what is it?
[09:06:30] <Kinder-Pingvi> JT-Mint18, that link from pastebin for me?
[09:06:49] <JT-Mint18> yes if you want to build linuxmint 18
[09:07:02] <Kinder-Pingvi> Will it works with Ubuntu 16.04?
[09:07:04] <Tom_L> not specificall but it shows how to build mint 18
[09:07:15] <JT-Mint18> you would just have to try and see
[09:07:28] <Kinder-Pingvi> JT-Mint18, and also where I can find linuxcnc software, mesaflash, halrun?
[09:08:36] <Tom_L> http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/
[09:08:44] <Tom_L> http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/dev.html
[09:09:15] <BeachBumPete> Man I need this CNC lathe to work... just got a call last night from a guy wanting some lathe specific parts....
[09:09:36] <JT-Mint18> you have to build a deb for mint
[09:09:51] * JT-Mint18 heads to town to mail some packages
[09:12:10] <Kinder-Pingvi> JT-Mint18, that instructions to install RT kernel meaning that I have installed x64 linux?
[09:12:46] <codepython777> is there a RT kernel for 16.04 that is compatible for lcnc?
[09:14:00] <Kinder-Pingvi> codepython777, http://paste.ubuntu.com/23572905/ here is instructions to install RT kernel
[09:14:09] <Kinder-Pingvi> the JT-Mint18 sent me it
[09:15:00] <codepython777> Kinder-Pingvi: thanks. You think that will work on 16.04LTS?
[09:15:23] <Kinder-Pingvi> codepython777, I want to try it shortly
[09:15:44] <Kinder-Pingvi> Here are a couple people which said me that it's possible om Mint 18
[09:15:52] <Kinder-Pingvi> but mint18 based on ubuntu 16.04.1
[09:15:58] <Kinder-Pingvi> and also has the same repo
[09:16:32] <Kinder-Pingvi> I think it will works. I'm now in process installing new ubuntu and try it. But as I understood I should comlile all linuxcnc software from sources.
[09:39:27] <zeeshan> time go pick up steel
[09:39:30] <zeeshan> for grinder CART
[09:39:52] <SpeedEvil> What engine?
[09:39:57] <BeachBumPete> DOOO ITTTTT!!!
[09:40:51] <zeeshan> engine?!?
[09:41:20] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/tfnXtIH.png
[09:41:24] <zeeshan> SpeedEvil: ^ that
[09:41:53] <zeeshan> hmm
[09:41:55] <zeeshan> fuck
[09:42:01] <zeeshan> i should just make it the clamp cart too
[09:42:05] <zeeshan> by putting a beam across the front
[09:44:14] <SpeedEvil> :)
[09:44:30] * SpeedEvil is in a 'caster all the things' type mood.
[09:44:59] <zeeshan> portability is always good!!
[09:45:05] <zeeshan> especially when you have a small shop space
[09:45:07] <archivist> my hobbing machine is on casters :)
[09:45:16] <SpeedEvil> And wondering idly about a silly little thing that can drive under things and move castered items.
[09:45:21] <zeeshan> i told the plant manager i have all these machines in my garage
[09:45:23] <zeeshan> he gave me a funny look
[09:45:29] <zeeshan> he lives near by me, wants to come check it out
[09:45:29] <zeeshan> haha
[09:45:39] <zeeshan> secret: CASTERS!
[09:45:42] <SpeedEvil> 'alexa, bring me my belt sander'
[09:47:08] <BeachBumPete> LOL
[09:47:49] <SpeedEvil> zeeshan: considered flippable?
[09:47:57] <SpeedEvil> grinder/... on the other side
[09:48:10] <Kinder-Pingvi> Where I can find instructions how to compile linuxcnc and other 3rd party tools for any distro?
[09:48:32] <archivist> each have their own instructions
[09:49:43] <Kinder-Pingvi> archivist, what about ubuntu 16.04? I didn't found instructions
[09:50:30] <pcw_home> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/html/code/building-linuxcnc.html
[09:50:41] <archivist> the instructions are general not specific to each os
[09:53:19] <CaptHindsight> Kinder-Pingvi: look at Debian vs Ubuntu, Ubuntu has has been Ubuntufying Linux slowly for years
[09:55:57] <Moronicsmurf> Any1, figure how many amps the fieldbus wants in.. got a 24V/0.5A but i figure thats way to low.
[09:56:05] <pink_vampire> WTFFF
[09:56:24] <pink_vampire> I run the same gcode for few times.
[09:57:13] <__rob> about to replace the pump/sump on my tormach.. on the cheap.. the one they packaged is just too weak
[09:57:23] <__rob> wondering if a fish tank pump or power shower one would be ok
[09:57:41] <__rob> not sure if I need anything special wrt to the seals
[09:57:52] <pink_vampire> and one of the parts have dent on the Z axis, and i know I'm not losing steps (the G320x) send a signal and kill the system if something like that happen..
[09:58:29] <pink_vampire> stuff like that make me leave mach3
[09:58:42] <Kinder-Pingvi> CaptHindsight, thanks!
[09:58:57] <pink_vampire> I'm starting to ting that linux cnc is not that reliable.
[10:10:24] <CaptHindsight> Kinder-Pingvi: if you use Debian like the LCNC devs then you can just install and enjoy for the most part
[10:11:00] <Kinder-Pingvi> CaptHindsight, I'm using ubuntu 16.04
[10:11:06] <Kinder-Pingvi> it's my prefer for my hardware
[10:12:15] <CaptHindsight> Kinder-Pingvi: the problem with Ubuntu is that they have been slowly changing the names and locations of just about every file
[10:12:46] <CaptHindsight> the Ubuntu devs also don't understand the kernel or GPU drivers well
[10:13:06] <Kinder-Pingvi> Thanks for notes.
[10:13:18] <Kinder-Pingvi> and also.. is it possible to install it for example on arch linux?
[10:13:59] <CaptHindsight> yes, but the philosophy at arch is to always use the latest bleeding edge everything so it's never stable
[10:14:10] <CaptHindsight> it's a good way to learn Linux though
[10:14:35] <CaptHindsight> since you'll always be fixing things that break from the latest update to your system
[10:14:49] <archivist> latest not the same as best and just works
[10:14:59] <CaptHindsight> exactly!
[10:16:41] <CaptHindsight> Kinder-Pingvi: ifyou want to spend you time using LCNC then use the install ISO
[10:17:42] <CaptHindsight> if you want to learn how to build tool chains and how to compile and fix problems then pick another distro
[10:20:00] <CaptHindsight> found this amusing https://tech.slashdot.org/story/16/12/02/149204/taking-a-stand-against-unofficial-ubuntu-images
[10:22:24] <Kinder-Pingvi> CaptHindsight, I'm using this instruction to compile RT kernel
[10:22:41] <Kinder-Pingvi> and didn't understand that "enable a fully preemptable kernel in xconfig"
[10:22:48] <Kinder-Pingvi> what is fully preemptable?
[10:23:37] <pcw_home> that means any kernel task must be preemptable by higher priority tasks
[10:24:21] <JT-Mint18> pcw_home: did you build mint 18 64bit?
[10:24:21] <pcw_home> (so things like LinuxCNC can run in real time and not be delayed by other tasks)
[10:24:37] <pcw_home> yes mint18 64/Cinnamon
[10:25:07] <JT-Mint18> building mint 18 64bit Mate 4.6.7 kernel now
[10:25:31] * JT-Mint18 heads to the shop to hang some itch
[10:28:57] <pcw_home> If you have older hardware I find the 4.1.x kernels are better
[10:28:59] <pcw_home> (someone with some bash ability should make the script accept the
[10:29:00] <pcw_home> version on the command line and fall back to the "older" repository for the patch if not found)
[10:29:06] <Kinder-Pingvi> how long kernel built on your system, guys?
[10:29:20] <pcw_home> you want a fast system...
[10:29:28] <Kinder-Pingvi> latest time when I built something from sources it's when I used gento 5-6 years ago
[10:30:24] <enleth> __rob: a central heating recirculation pump might do the trick and be cheap enough, just make sure you put a filter on it
[10:31:57] <gregcnc> what kind of pump did tormach supply that a fish tank pump is potentially better
[10:37:26] <CaptHindsight> Kinder-Pingvi: we never liked Ubuntu so we tried several distros with LCNC over the past 10 years
[10:38:49] <Kinder-Pingvi> CaptHindsight, So the better way is install linuxcnc official distro with already built lcnc and other 3rd party software as well
[10:39:16] <CaptHindsight> we either use what the LCNC devs use which is Debian or for things we want more control of we use Gentoo
[10:39:57] <CaptHindsight> Kinder-Pingvi: yes, unless you want to spend lots of time fixing surprises
[10:40:29] <CaptHindsight> Kinder-Pingvi: the LCNC devs even use a buildbot to constantly test changes
[10:41:04] <CaptHindsight> and they use one of the most stable Linux distros
[10:41:36] <Kinder-Pingvi> I understand why dev's prefer is debian. It's really stable distro with slow updates in all
[10:41:43] <CaptHindsight> Kinder-Pingvi: the other thing you gain by using the LCNC ISO is support from here
[10:41:46] <Kinder-Pingvi> which don't with ubuntu of course
[10:42:06] <CaptHindsight> people here can help you
[10:42:28] <CaptHindsight> if you build for something else you need the skills to debug your own problems
[10:42:42] <CaptHindsight> but it's a great way to learn
[10:43:11] <Kinder-Pingvi> Yes. You're right I think. So I'll install right now official lcnc distro. It is require a less time for configuring my wifi and gpu than compilation lcnc software
[10:43:31] <CaptHindsight> you can install 2 distros and dual boot if you want to try other things
[10:44:05] <CaptHindsight> official ISO on one partition and something else on another
[10:44:48] <Kinder-Pingvi> After gentoo during student's time I don't want to use it repeately to compile all from sources again :))
[10:44:58] <CaptHindsight> heh
[10:45:30] <tiwake> modern systems compile really fast
[10:45:41] <Kinder-Pingvi> That's my friend asked me to help him with linuxcnc installation.
[10:45:52] <tiwake> when Zen comes out I want to give gentoo an honest shot
[10:46:00] <Kinder-Pingvi> on CPU i7-4***HQ chromium compiles about 1 hours
[10:46:14] <Kinder-Pingvi> hour*
[10:46:16] <CaptHindsight> the RTAI dev here builds and tests kernels several times a day on Gentoo
[10:46:49] <CaptHindsight> tiwake: waiting to see what eventually shows up with Zen
[10:47:40] <tiwake> CaptHindsight: for me it does not matter, I like AMD as a company better and Zen will be better than their current set of processors
[10:48:51] <CaptHindsight> tiwake: I stopped using Intel back around 2000
[10:49:25] <CaptHindsight> and I used to design motherboards
[10:50:20] <Kinder-Pingvi> Wow. I stopped used AMD about 10 years ago
[10:50:22] <Kinder-Pingvi> :)
[10:50:52] <tiwake> ideally I'd get a Power8 system
[10:51:00] <Moronicsmurf> Think i missed any answer so please so i aska gain; Any1, figure how many amps the fieldbus wants in.. got a 24V/0.5A but i figure thats way to low.
[10:51:12] <tiwake> but meh, I cant
[10:51:51] <tiwake> I'd rather build a CNC machine than get the best processor instruction set, and best processor to deal with those instructions
[10:52:25] * JT-Shop finally gets a lan cable built that passes and still has two RJ45 connectors left
[10:53:47] <CaptHindsight> JT-Shop: do you get a RJ45 crimper?
[10:54:04] <CaptHindsight> do/did
[11:02:57] <pcw_home> Moronicsmurf: how much 24V power you need depends on your loads,
[11:02:59] <pcw_home> if you just have a few small relays 0.5 A is more than enough
[11:03:24] <JT-Shop> ya using used cat6 so the first one had a break somewhere...
[11:06:10] <JT-Shop> well that sucks that cable is too short... back to digging
[11:09:02] <gregcnc> where is that cable stretcher?
[11:10:11] <JT-Shop> that's prob what is wrong with the first one I put ends on lol
[11:14:01] <MacGalempsy> cat6 is a pita
[11:15:07] <MacGalempsy> i guess it depends on what kind of rj45 is used
[11:20:16] <JT-Shop> well this piece ohms out and is more than long enough...
[11:29:23] <JT-Shop> yea! this much longer piece passed
[11:37:59] <JT-Shop> Houston, we have temporary internet to go along with the temporary power in the new shop!
[11:40:08] <SpeedEvil> yay
[11:44:04] <Tom_L> tug on it and maybe you can stretch it to the far end..
[11:45:50] <Tom_L> while you're diggin, add a 2.5" conduit for all the stuff you'll never add out there. i ran 2 to the garage and they're both filling up
[11:49:07] <SpeedEvil> I recommend slightly larger - 25" is about big enough.
[11:49:36] <JT-Shop> I stubbed a 2" and a 3/4" for electric and lan and a 3/4" for water
[11:49:49] <JT-Shop> and a 1 1/2" for drain
[11:50:43] <Tom_L> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/temp/door_test/Door_indicator.png
[11:50:56] <Tom_L> add one of those and you can tell if you left the garage door open
[11:51:15] <Tom_L> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/temp/door_test/indicator3.jpg
[11:51:18] <Tom_L> from the office
[11:52:14] <IchGucksLive> hi from a freezing ice cold Germany
[11:53:20] <IchGucksLive> Kinder-Pingvi: hi
[11:53:34] <Kinder-Pingvi> IchGucksLive, hi :)
[11:53:54] <IchGucksLive> nich are you from germany
[11:53:56] <Kinder-Pingvi> in Ukraine also many snow :)
[11:54:00] <IchGucksLive> the Nick
[11:54:05] <Kinder-Pingvi> No
[11:54:14] <Kinder-Pingvi> I'm not from Germany :)
[11:54:17] <IchGucksLive> its a chocklat bar in germany
[11:54:37] <Kinder-Pingvi> surprisingly :)
[11:54:43] <Kinder-Pingvi> das is fantastish )))
[11:54:50] <IchGucksLive> did you see the howto get the CD from the distro
[11:55:27] <Kinder-Pingvi> get CD from distro? Do you mean creating CD from installed and configured distro?
[11:55:43] <IchGucksLive> no the LCXNC Live CD
[11:55:59] <IchGucksLive> its cold my fingers wont fit the keys
[11:56:03] <IchGucksLive> Lcnc
[11:56:27] <IchGucksLive> Just insert the CD and try out all without installing
[12:38:29] <BeachBumPete> OK so the CNC lathe is now out of the corner officially ;)
[12:38:41] <BeachBumPete> bitch is HEAVY!! :)
[12:38:51] <IchGucksLive> you will make it
[12:38:57] <IchGucksLive> dont break it
[12:39:02] <BeachBumPete> now mebbe I can get some work done on that new electronics package
[12:39:02] <IchGucksLive> its x-mal
[12:39:31] <BeachBumPete> now I just gotta sit for a few and cool off and then go back at it hehe
[12:42:26] <JT-Shop> someone email me a couple of DD3 sticks...
[12:43:05] <__rob> http://www.pumps-equip.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/imm-63-td.jpg
[12:43:08] <__rob> anyone able to tell me
[12:43:15] <__rob> is delivery head how high your pumping the liquid ?
[12:44:09] <JT-Shop> yes
[12:44:16] <__rob> right
[12:44:25] <__rob> trying to work out a resonable lpm aswell
[12:45:00] <__rob> for proper flood coolant
[12:45:08] <JT-Shop> for high head you need a positive displacement pump
[12:45:42] <JT-Shop> how high is your machine?
[12:46:01] <__rob> max hight liquid needs to go is < 3 meters
[12:46:23] <JT-Shop> 50 l/min is a bunch of coolant
[12:46:32] <__rob> yea, not sure if thats adjustable either
[12:46:49] <__rob> without some intermediate pwm or something
[12:46:54] <JT-Shop> you can choke down the output of a centrifugal pump no problems
[12:47:09] <JT-Shop> the more you choke it down the less work it does
[12:47:21] <__rob> ohh right, so that wont stress the motor/pump ?
[12:47:24] <JT-Shop> you just don't want to shut the flow off
[12:47:35] <JT-Shop> runs easier when choked down
[12:47:42] <JT-Shop> doing less work you see
[12:47:55] <__rob> yea, but increased back preassure surely ?
[12:48:04] <__rob> from liquid already in the pipe
[12:48:11] <JT-Shop> that is only for positive displacement pumps
[12:48:35] <JT-Shop> centrifugal just has one pressure at any flow
[12:48:45] <JT-Shop> unless you super charge the inlet lol
[12:52:11] <__rob> right, thats great
[12:52:31] <__rob> no price so that one is prob expensive
[12:52:42] <malcom2073> "If you have to ask, you can't afford it"
[12:53:30] <__rob> so JT-Shop, the preassure at the outlet wont increase then by choking it down?
[12:53:46] <JT-Shop> nope
[12:54:16] <__rob> was hoping to be able to both set the flow rate, then get more preassure at the outlet if needed
[12:54:29] <__rob> current setup, sometimes its just not enough to move everything away
[12:54:35] <JT-Shop> I used to super charge the fire pumps on the rig with a 6x9 and it would take 4 guys to hold the hoses lol
[12:54:44] <__rob> mabye thats solved with purely more flow
[12:55:11] <__rob> and I suppose you dont want to deflect the tool with having too high a preassure.. seems unlikey
[12:55:15] <JT-Shop> pressure will diminish with height
[12:55:40] <JT-Shop> if you can move the tool with the coolant...
[12:55:42] <JT-Shop> nap time
[13:18:55] <CaptHindsight> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/IDC50-male-to-50P-terminal-block-IDC50P-breakout-board-adapter-PLC-relay-terminals-DIN-Rail-Mounted/32644028252.html does anyone sell these in the USA?
[13:20:19] <CaptHindsight> Mamazon! https://www.amazon.com/50-Pin-Connector-Signals-Breakout-terminals/dp/B00XIDST3G
[13:20:55] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/381229782469?lpid=82&chn=ps&ul_noapp=true
[14:21:49] <andypugh> I might have the wrong tool for the job. I suspect that my 1000 rpm spindle is ill-suited to the 0.2mm engraving cutter that I a currently running at 1mm/min. (that’s 2.3 inches per _hour_ if you prefer other units)
[14:24:47] <SpeedEvil> 1000RPM?
[14:24:50] <SpeedEvil> :)
[14:25:34] <SpeedEvil> As long as you don't find out it went 'spang' 3 minutes in and you checked it next day
[14:26:12] <BeachBumPete> can't you hook up a little trim router or something?
[14:27:02] <andypugh> I could do many things if this wasn’t a one-off job
[14:27:25] <andypugh> Including something involving the Dremel, I suspect.
[14:27:57] <andypugh> I suspect that I have more backlash in the ballscrews than the tool diamter.
[14:28:25] <andypugh> (I skimped on pre-loaded nuts, which was probably an error)
[14:29:25] <Roguish> andypugh: stand the machine up on its side and let good old gravity preload the screws.....
[14:29:43] <Roguish> or add some springs....
[14:29:51] <andypugh> Hmm, a spring or something might have worked.
[14:30:39] <andypugh> I will see how it works out. It’s a freeby I offered somebody a long time ago. In fact I only started it now in an attempt to get it to her in less than _two_ years.
[14:32:19] <SpeedEvil> :)
[14:32:57] <SpeedEvil> At 0.2mm, you could also just lock the spindle, and use it as a shaper
[15:02:53] <zhivko> Hi guys!
[15:03:44] <zhivko> I have a question for plasma gurus - there is connector for shield on thcad 10V, and from CPC port of hypertherm I don't see shield pin anywhere.
[15:04:08] <zhivko> There is only GND pin - is this suppose to be connected to SHIELD of thcad 10v ?
[15:06:48] <JT-Shop> a shield must be connected on one end only
[15:07:17] * JT-Shop sees it is the season of static shock
[15:07:25] <zhivko> what wire I need to connect to thcad10V then ?
[15:07:46] <zhivko> what wire I need to connect to thcad10V then on SHIELD pin?
[15:08:16] <JT-Shop> is the wire shielded?
[15:09:15] <zhivko> I am not sure . but I think guys on hypertherm shielded it - but then probably is connected in plasma device
[15:09:34] <zhivko> so can I left it floating on thcad10v ?
[15:11:31] <zhivko> so can I left PIN floating on thcad10v ?
[15:11:34] <JT-Shop> the shield can only be connected on one end
[15:22:45] <zhivko> I tried to search on net if cpc cable is shielded or not but it is reasonable it is shielded - no?
[15:45:01] <dioz> fuck i need to buy my own wiss w5n snips
[15:45:55] <dioz> cutting q deck with an angle grinder and a hammer
[15:46:27] <dioz> you guys like estwing hammers?
[15:47:55] <dioz> 18oz tinner hammer
[15:48:12] <dioz> fuck you seen those stiletto hammers that are like $400 CAD?
[15:48:27] <dioz> they claim their 17oz hits like a 24oz or something
[15:48:34] <dioz> they're so light
[15:48:37] <Roguish> titanium hammer. not much mass, but LOTS of speed.
[15:48:37] <dioz> and so expensive
[15:48:51] <dioz> yah?
[15:49:15] <Roguish> energy is velocity squared.
[15:50:08] <dioz> i hear you
[15:50:14] <dioz> i guess i'd need to try it
[15:50:19] <dioz> i swing a hammer a lot
[15:50:42] <dioz> framed for a bit
[15:51:42] <dioz> nail set in a 32oz framer hammer with a long fucking handle
[15:52:07] <dioz> other than that nail guns (spikers)
[15:52:36] <dioz> you'd use your hammer to usually spike supports up high where you couldn't reach with the spiker
[15:52:44] <dioz> to level walls
[15:53:19] <dioz> then bend them
[15:53:35] <dioz> till you connect the roof truss
[16:26:24] <JT-Shop> zhivko: take the connector apart and see if it is shielded
[16:28:10] <Deejay> gn8
[17:55:17] <JT-NewShop> hola
[17:57:04] <JT-Shop> much warmer in here lol
[18:18:32] <codepython777> has anyone cut alum using laser? how much power does one need to cut 3mm?
[18:29:27] <tiwake> codepython777: aluminum reflects industrial CO2 lasers
[18:30:01] <tiwake> you _can_ cut aluminum with a CO2 laser, but it takes a lot of extra power because its a simi-reflective material
[18:30:01] <SpeedEvil> Not if you add MOAR POWA!
[18:31:02] <tiwake> codepython777: if I had to guess, it would take 2-3x the power requirement of steel
[18:31:13] <andypugh> MOAR POWER! is (unusually) not the answer in this case, apparently: http://www.twi-global.com/technical-knowledge/faqs/material-faqs/faq-what-are-the-problems-with-laser-cutting-of-aluminium-and-how-do-i-overcome-them/
[18:32:53] <tiwake> andypugh: I've heard of shops regularly doing it
[18:33:04] <tiwake> though honestly
[18:33:07] <tiwake> waterjet
[18:34:33] <tiwake> oh yeah, copper is super reflective and can not be cut with a laser
[18:34:51] <tiwake> and brass is 60% copper
[18:35:42] <codepython777> I guess i should stick with cnc
[18:36:01] <tiwake> plasma could probably do it?
[18:36:43] <tiwake> yeah
[18:36:46] <codepython777> tiwake: how accurate are plasma cutters?
[18:37:01] <SpeedEvil> tiwake: it can be cut with copper vapour LASERs
[18:37:11] <SpeedEvil> It's not very reflective in green
[18:37:25] <tiwake> looks like you need a special gas/mix for plasma cutting aluminum
[18:37:44] <SpeedEvil> oxy/acetylene.
[18:38:00] <tiwake> SpeedEvil: isnt it difficult to get a very high power density with green lasers?
[18:38:08] <SpeedEvil> tiwake: yes.
[18:38:17] <tiwake> yeah, so thats out
[18:38:17] <SpeedEvil> it's lots more expensive than CO2 alas
[18:38:27] <SpeedEvil> Though I think it's doable
[18:38:33] <tiwake> just waterjet cut it
[18:38:36] <tiwake> sheesh
[18:38:38] <SpeedEvil> that too
[18:38:54] <SpeedEvil> I want to make a CVL
[18:39:02] <tiwake> CVL?
[18:39:03] <SpeedEvil> and a TEA CO2
[18:39:06] <SpeedEvil> copper vapour laser
[18:39:14] <tiwake> how?
[18:39:33] <tiwake> show me this wizardry
[18:39:35] <SpeedEvil> tube in furnace, with appropriate chemicals, cold traps at ends, mirrors.
[18:39:48] <SpeedEvil> http://www.repairfaq.org/sam/laserfaq.htm#faqtoc is awesome
[18:41:49] <tiwake> time to play some mad max
[18:48:55] <codepython777> SpeedEvil: do you cut alum?
[18:51:46] <SpeedEvil> not with anything exotic
[19:20:22] <XXCoder> what is this socery??
[19:26:01] <MacGalempsy_> evening all
[19:27:51] <Tom_L> hey mac
[19:30:04] <MacGalempsy_> hi Tom_L
[19:30:17] <MacGalempsy_> doing anything fun this evening?
[19:31:34] <gregcnc> took apart the dryer....again
[19:33:19] <MacGalempsy_> clothes drier?
[19:34:00] <gregcnc> yeah. it was running forking loud it's quiet now, but not sure what it was
[19:35:37] <XXCoder> malbalanced?
[19:36:07] <gregcnc> contemplating coolant and freezing temperatures in the garage, why my space mouse stopped working wirelessly, the meaning of life etc.
[19:36:30] <gregcnc> and ceramic deburring sticks
[19:37:28] <XXCoder> gregcnc: its 42
[19:37:37] <XXCoder> rest of it answer is also 42
[19:51:39] <codepython777> anyone has heard of these guys -> http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/
[20:13:31] <CaptHindsight> codepython777: it's all ChinaCo
[20:13:49] <codepython777> CaptHindsight: it has us presence?
[20:14:04] <CaptHindsight> near me, I know them
[20:14:21] <andypugh> I think this one needs more random wires flopping about. http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/cnc-router/hy-3040
[20:14:40] <CaptHindsight> hah
[20:15:36] <Wolf_> needs more ribbon cables
[20:15:54] <codepython777> CaptHindsight: where are you at?
[20:16:03] <CaptHindsight> the router is cheap, the wire guides are $$$
[20:16:08] <codepython777> CaptHindsight: is there a reason to pay extra for the 6090 from them?
[20:16:17] <andypugh> To be fair, it would have done the job that my machine has been at for 5 hours in about 10 minutes.
[20:16:20] <CaptHindsight> codepython777: outside Chicago
[20:17:25] <codepython777> CaptHindsight: so no reason to buy from them vs directly from alibaba?
[20:17:52] <MacGalempsy_> how about no international post when you have to return something
[20:18:04] <CaptHindsight> codepython777: returns are to Chicago vs China
[20:18:11] <andypugh> Taxes pre-paid, you have someone to complain to. They won’t lose your payment somewhere in a Western Union account
[20:19:38] <andypugh> Not happy with my attempt to buy direct from China. They are asking me to send the money again because they can’t get it out of their WU account. But the only way I can send the money again is to give another $250 to WU.
[20:19:52] <MacGalempsy_> historically, I have never had any issues with Aliexpress. However, now I try to exclusively get something national
[20:20:33] <codepython777> The pricing is straight double?
[20:20:34] <codepython777> andypugh: I am paying thru paypal - at least that buys me 1 month?
[20:20:51] <MacGalempsy_> I think that is actually 45 days
[20:21:19] <andypugh> The company I am trying to work with don’t do PayPal
[20:21:22] <MacGalempsy_> when going thru aliexpress, if i recall correctly, they did not take payment until the product arrived.
[20:22:32] <andypugh> I found them through Aliexpress, but I don’t see a way to buy through Alixpress for things that are quoted by the ton FOB Quingdao
[20:23:42] <MacGalempsy_> I would expect you could get something shipped via container.
[20:23:47] <codepython777> am thinking of buying from these guys -> https://www.omiocnc.com
[20:23:59] <MacGalempsy_> some on there say you can pick it up at the nearest port of entry
[20:24:00] <andypugh> Well, I only wanted 10kg of the stuff.
[20:24:36] <MacGalempsy_> what kind of stuff?
[20:24:46] <andypugh> Brass hollow bar
[20:25:12] <MacGalempsy_> diameter?
[20:25:52] <andypugh> 51mm OD, 35mm ID
[20:28:21] <MacGalempsy_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZ8l9MPAoyk
[20:28:25] <MacGalempsy_> anyone watch this one?
[20:28:45] <andypugh> Actually, not Aliexpress, I went via ALibaba
[20:30:18] <MacGalempsy_> aliexpress is more along the line of ebay than alibaba
[20:30:46] <MacGalempsy_> any you can IM with a sales rep, which I have done before for custom cuts
[20:31:44] <gregcnc> I've never seen that modern marvels
[20:32:36] <Tom_L> sry mac, had to leave. not doing much of anything this evening
[20:33:14] <gregcnc> looks like an ad for Makino
[20:33:15] <andypugh> As an Englishman I am annoyed that their “History” starts in 1850 with Cincinatti. And LeBlond.
[20:33:34] <andypugh> How about Maudsley?
[20:33:55] <MacGalempsy_> in the beginning it is like that, but they talke about Cincinnati a lot, later in the vid
[20:35:00] <andypugh> Hmm, OK, they have popped back further
[20:35:33] <gregcnc> main shuttle engine? when did this air?
[20:35:34] <andypugh> My annoyance is reduced :-)
[20:38:08] <MacGalempsy_> so I wrote up an HAL and INI for at-pid on the 4th axis and notice it does not use the pid.N.cmd-deviation.
[20:38:25] <MacGalempsy_> but have not tested it yet.
[20:44:32] <MacGalempsy_> after going through the revelation that the machine was originally configured in torque-mode, I realize that the spindle is currently configured to velocity mode, not torque mode. perhaps that is why I can only take 0.02" cuts
[20:45:03] <gregcnc> does the spindle stall?
[20:45:52] <MacGalempsy_> it has before, like when I tried to take a 0.04" cut
[20:47:48] <MacGalempsy_> gregcnc and andypugh https://books.google.com/books/about/Popular_Mechanics.html?id=49gDAAAAMBAJ
[20:48:04] <gregcnc> I think velocity is the right choice for a spindle, it probably just needs proper tuning
[20:48:37] <gregcnc> i've looked at those in the past some contain interesting hobby machining projects
[20:49:08] <MacGalempsy_> currently I have to use the internal PID controller, but there is a pin to turn on/off torque mode, along with a pin for current/volt
[20:49:40] <andypugh> Just watching that programme, they just said “Many believe that WWII could not have been won without American machine tools”. I rather think it could have been. Not becessarily by the same side.
[20:49:53] <MacGalempsy_> haha.
[20:49:55] <andypugh> (necessarily)
[20:50:13] <roycroft> i think it was more the women who operated the american machine tools than the tools themselves
[20:50:37] <MacGalempsy_> in Popular Mechanics (1905) they have some cool tools that you dont see today
[20:50:39] <roycroft> no other ally country had enough workers available to make war materiel
[20:50:50] <MacGalempsy_> like combo whenches and layout tools
[20:51:04] <andypugh> MacGalempsy_: Examples?
[20:51:15] <roycroft> i don't think that american machine tools were superior to british ones
[20:51:22] <roycroft> we just had more of them and more people to operate them
[20:51:26] <andypugh> Hmm, combo-wenches?
[20:51:51] <MacGalempsy_> andypugh: follow that link and look at Aug 1905
[20:51:58] <MacGalempsy_> third page down
[20:52:39] <MacGalempsy_> trying to find the layout tool
[20:53:01] <MacGalempsy_> there are so many pages of just different homebrew ideas
[20:53:23] <andypugh> “combination wenches” is a great phrase, considering underwear in 1877 ( http://www.fashion-era.com/drawers-pants-combinations-knickers-fashion.htm ) and what a wench is.
[20:53:54] <roycroft> but you know what really won the war for the allies?
[20:53:58] <roycroft> the unified thread standard
[20:54:01] <MacGalempsy_> hahah. I meant wrench
[20:56:13] <MacGalempsy_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/112201757546?lpid=82&chn=ps&ul_noapp=true
[20:56:19] <MacGalempsy_> ha!
[21:01:12] <andypugh> That video goes completely wrong at 18:30. They credit Naysmith with the steam hammer (correct) then equate it with the Shaper (utterly wrong)
[21:01:43] <MacGalempsy_> I think the connection they were trying to make was that the tool moved over the workpiece
[21:01:53] <andypugh> Hmm
[21:11:27] <MacGalempsy_> I like that cnc carbonfiber machine
[21:14:07] <MacGalempsy_> there is the combination gauge http://www.ebay.com/itm/1905-Wiet-Goethe-Combination-Gauge-Machinist-Tool-Vintage-Ad-/201720951565?hash=item2ef781730d
[21:16:33] <andypugh> <pedant> 29:36 That isn’t a drill. it’s a vertical lathe.
[21:17:47] <XXCoder> andypugh: link? im curious now lol
[21:18:13] <andypugh> XXCoder: This: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZ8l9MPAoyk
[21:18:21] <XXCoder> thanks
[21:18:24] <andypugh> But might be hard to follow
[21:19:10] <andypugh> Ah, it has CC
[21:19:17] <XXCoder> autocraptons
[21:20:40] <XXCoder> 700 bc first lathe
[21:22:16] <XXCoder> more properly "turning machine"
[21:22:26] <XXCoder> not too sure the difference is though
[21:24:07] <MacGalempsy_> not sure a turning machine would have to spin fast enough to cut with a tool
[21:25:00] <XXCoder> slab cutter, saw it in action at old job
[21:25:03] <XXCoder> interesting machine
[21:26:45] <XXCoder> hand powered drill 0press wow
[21:30:46] <XXCoder> https://youtu.be/mZ8l9MPAoyk?t=2578 interesting
[21:30:51] <XXCoder> thats the vertical lathe?
[21:32:37] <andypugh> Link doesn’t work
[21:32:50] <XXCoder> its just set to time
[21:32:58] <andypugh> (well, not to a time-stamp)
[21:33:00] <XXCoder> works fine here
[21:33:05] <XXCoder> a sec
[21:33:13] <XXCoder> 43:00
[21:34:10] <andypugh> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZ8l9MPAoyk&feature=youtu.be&t=29m36s is what I meant
[21:34:34] <XXCoder> interesting
[21:34:46] <XXCoder> thought it was just mill machine
[21:36:25] <andypugh> Looks like a single-point tool and a rotating workpiece to me
[21:36:42] <XXCoder> yeah
[21:37:58] <codepython777> andypugh: who did you import your machine from?
[21:38:22] <andypugh> I have never imported a machine
[21:45:16] <andypugh> The high-quality ********* made of solid aluminium is stored on many greased steel balls. In the unloaded condition he behaves viscous and unfolds his optimal running properties at higher loads. A significant delay is possible due to the higher menu.
[21:45:16] <andypugh> The two rotating rings are firmly connected by the specially authorised tread. The rings are accordingly not loosely together and can separated only by loosening the side grub screw, and followed by a draining of all steel balls.
[21:45:17] <andypugh> The used plastic spacers allow a bilateral usability, so that either the inner or the outer ring can be freely rotated. The plastic spacers can be removed simply out of their holes if necessary.
[21:45:18] <andypugh> A low overall height and the robust design provide for a variety of applications. Visually, the aluminum with a silver-tone acrylic paint is been finished.
[21:45:33] <andypugh> Can you gess what the ****** is from the rest of the description?
[21:47:08] <malcom2073> Lol china.
[21:48:41] <codepython777> If one buys something from omiocnc to the US - how is the customs collected?
[21:49:03] <jdh> I had no customs charge
[21:49:16] <codepython777> jdh: you bought omio? which one?
[21:49:34] <jdh> 6040, when it was CarvingCNC
[21:49:45] <codepython777> jdh: so they changed their name?
[21:49:51] <jdh> yes
[21:49:58] <XXCoder> chinelish
[21:50:01] <XXCoder> gonna love that
[21:50:20] <codepython777> jdh: did you buy one with offline control?
[21:50:33] <jdh> no, I use linuxcnc
[21:50:51] <codepython777> jdh: this link claims the customs is 20% for x8 series -> https://www.dutycalculator.com/dc/203497508/bags-accessories/bags-briefcases-school-satchels-messenger-bags/work-bags-of-aluminium/import-duty-rate-for-importing-omiocnc-x8-2200-from-china-to-united-states-is-20/
[21:50:58] <codepython777> jdh: which controlboard?
[21:55:17] <jdh> I paid no customs
[21:55:31] <codepython777> jdh: I guess i'll buy and wait :)
[21:56:46] <codepython777> jdh: which controlboard did you buy for yours?
[21:57:12] <jdh> it came with a generic breakout board, 4 drives, VFD
[21:59:40] <codepython777> jdh: you use that board, or did you change it?
[22:00:09] <jdh> my plan was to run it until the board and/or drives died and replace it with a g540, but it has had zero issues
[22:00:49] <codepython777> jdh: do you have a separate linux box hooked to it?
[22:01:02] <jdh> yep
[22:01:26] <jdh> https://goo.gl/photos/bmDNiYSvB6zXZLY38
[22:01:39] <jdh> YooCNC slikscreend on it
[22:02:10] <jdh> https://goo.gl/photos/8DhbRBqyape3CXTn9
[22:02:33] <codepython777> jdh: Thanks!
[22:03:04] <codepython777> jdh: how is the computer connected to the machine?
[22:03:13] <jdh> parallel port
[22:03:35] <codepython777> so the board already had a parallel port when it arrived?
[22:03:50] <jdh> yeah, I don't think they sell p-port ones anymore
[22:04:08] <XXCoder> parallel ports is getting rare?
[22:04:11] <codepython777> jdh: they now only sell usb ones - which means i will have to buy a control board if i want linux cnc on it
[22:04:18] <jdh> no, they just make usb only ones now
[22:04:26] <jdh> it's a $10 board
[22:04:57] <codepython777> jdh: http://www.geckodrive.com/geckodrive-step-motor-drives/g540.html - this looks expensive
[22:05:21] <jdh> you can get them for $250. That has the 4 drives though.
[22:05:41] <jdh> You can replace the USB board with a generic p-port breakout board
[22:06:17] <codepython777> jdh: If I buy one with the offline control system, i can just ship it the G-code and i am set, right?
[22:06:31] <jdh> so they say. I've never seen one.
[22:06:45] <jdh> no clue what subset of Gcode they implement
[22:07:29] <jdh> the linear bearings look better than mine
[22:11:17] <codepython777> jdh: G0, G1, G2, G3, G17, G18, G19, G20, G21, G54, G55, G56, G57, G58, G59, G60, G81, G82, G83, G90, G91, G98 , G99.
[22:11:17] <codepython777> jdh: the price is probably 1.5x than yours? :)
[22:11:17] <codepython777> jdh: is that G-code list - long enough to work with most software ? what do you use to generate g-code?
[22:12:36] <jdh> mine was $1500 + $300 shipping in 2014
[22:13:20] <jdh> I write trivial stuff by hand but generally use cut2d with drawings in autocad or draftsight
[22:15:24] <jdh> their on-board stuff could be fine.
[22:16:05] <codepython777> jdh: I'm tempted for the x8 - more than likely will get x6
[22:16:47] <codepython777> jdh: they do say that cut2d will export g-codes that their control software will understand
[22:17:12] <jdh> itis relatively cheap and trivial to use
[22:17:28] <jdh> for what it does... 2.5d cutting
[22:22:13] <codepython777> jdh: did you get a air/vaccum solution yet?
[22:22:32] <codepython777> I was thinking of buying a air pump and hooking it up so that i could push out the scrap
[22:22:42] <jdh> nope.
[22:22:50] <jdh> for messy stuff, I stand there with the vacuum
[22:24:15] <codepython777> jdh: I'm still debating between buying the vanilla version vs the offline control version - any thoughts?
[22:25:44] <jdh> since it is your money, go for teh offline x8
[22:26:05] <jdh> you can replace that with a $10 breakout board also
[22:26:58] <codepython777> X8-1500M?
[22:27:44] <codepython777> jdh: isnt it better to get the 2200W spindle instead of the 1500w?
[22:28:51] <jdh> dunno. my 1500 has been fine.
[22:30:30] <codepython777> jdh: how deep alum can you cut with it?
[22:31:34] <jdh> I have never done more than 1/4", but depth is just time
[22:32:59] <jdh> polymorphism
[22:36:32] <codepython777> jdh: they changed the communication port of all of them to usb - so i need a p-port bob?
[22:36:48] <jdh> if you want to use linuxcnc
[22:38:44] <codepython777> jdh: is there a list somewhere of these ports, with pros/cons? Any recommendations for a good board?
[22:40:12] <jdh> I would just buy a cheap one off amazon
[22:42:15] <codepython777> jdh: https://www.amazon.com/CJRSLRB-Upgraded-Interface-Adapter-Breakout/dp/B016MAA8TO
[22:42:31] <jdh> sure
[22:42:40] <codepython777> jdh: so these cards drive from both usb and p-port?
[22:43:46] <jdh> no, just p-port
[22:43:55] <jdh> the usb is just power on the cheapos
[22:45:25] <codepython777> jdh: how much Amp does your machine pull from the wall? Do you have it plugged in the regular wall outlet?
[22:46:06] <jdh> it's on a 15 amp power strip with the computer & monitor.
[22:46:45] <jdh> someone said teh 2.2kw spindle required 220vac, but I have on confirmation
[22:52:46] <codepython777> jdh: they come in both 110v and 220v config - at least from that company
[23:04:07] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/WBHOBX5.jpg
[23:04:10] <zeeshan> grinder cart done!
[23:05:10] <Wolf_> cool, I need one of them, come do mine
[23:05:35] <zeeshan> no!@
[23:05:36] <zeeshan> :P
[23:05:48] <Wolf_> but.. my horizontal band won’t fit
[23:07:32] <Wolf_> actually… that same idea might work with my h band
[23:08:02] <zeeshan> mine is 7x12 bandsaw
[23:08:09] <zeeshan> if yorus is the same
[23:08:11] <Wolf_> mine is… large
[23:08:13] <zeeshan> i dont see why i wouldnt
[23:08:30] <codepython7771> zeeshan: is that a garage? how do you keep humidity out? :)
[23:08:36] <Wolf_> I forget what model it is, but its a 8’ blade
[23:09:25] <zeeshan> codepython7771: is that a concern?!
[23:09:54] <jdh> that is way too neat
[23:10:12] <XXCoder> zeeshan: man your shop changed a lot since your first picture
[23:10:16] <XXCoder> it was ugly mess then
[23:10:22] <zeeshan> haha
[23:10:27] <Wolf_> lol
[23:10:30] <zeeshan> still is an ugly mess
[23:10:30] <zeeshan> :D
[23:10:40] <jdh> there is clear floor space
[23:10:41] <Wolf_> mine is a total mess
[23:10:53] <XXCoder> we can actually see your floor
[23:11:03] <Wolf_> there is a few paths through all the junk in my way lol
[23:11:05] <XXCoder> and more than short section of wall!
[23:11:13] <jdh> I rearrange to make paths
[23:11:41] <zeeshan> now i need a way to make the car float in the garage
[23:11:49] <Wolf_> pathways= where the light stuff is lol
[23:12:05] <XXCoder> oh thats easy
[23:12:11] <XXCoder> 4 chains at co0rners
[23:12:36] <Wolf_> hell, right now one of my bays has half of a drive on alignment rack in it
[23:14:40] <zeeshan> car alignment rack?
[23:14:46] <zeeshan> those are pretty bad ass
[23:14:47] <zeeshan> why do you have one :D
[23:15:53] <Wolf_> storing it for a friend, who has no idea when he might need it, and it needs fixed
[23:27:22] <mikeh_> what would be the best way to "programatically" generate gcode?
[23:28:24] <mikeh_> i just need to drill a set of holes offset based on a length...i want to drill the mounting pattern of ski bindings into skis, but obviously those vary based on boot size...
[23:29:05] <mikeh_> so the toe piece will have a set of holes in a certain pattern, and the heel piece as well, then how far those are spaced would be based on boot sole length
[23:29:44] <Wolf_> zeeshan: wilton 3575T (I think, 9x16? maybe) little bigger
[23:29:56] <roycroft> any opinions on this?
[23:29:58] <roycroft> http://bend.craigslist.org/tls/5904016462.html
[23:30:07] <roycroft> the sheldon guy is not getting back to me
[23:30:18] <XXCoder> looks very solid.
[23:30:29] <XXCoder> old craftman which means actually america made
[23:30:34] <roycroft> yes, it's an atlas
[23:30:38] <XXCoder> besides that no idea
[23:31:01] <XXCoder> looks fairly complete
[23:31:01] <roycroft> unfortunately it's over the mountains
[23:31:09] <roycroft> and it's winter
[23:31:16] <roycroft> but i might go for it anyway
[23:31:22] <mikeh_> i wonder if i could do each set of holes as an o-code, then somehow use a "variable" to input the spacing?
[23:31:28] <roycroft> i don't have chains for my pickup, but i can get some for $100
[23:31:40] <roycroft> i'd have plenty of traction on the way home
[23:31:42] <XXCoder> mikeh_: linuxcnc does do support variables
[23:32:12] <XXCoder> just set variable of length then do 0 * (var) 1 * (var) so on for row
[23:32:25] <XXCoder> add offset of course if needed
[23:32:57] <XXCoder> never actually used it since testing with linuxcnc logo engrave so forgot exactly how to set and use variable.
[23:33:19] <mikeh_> apparently...#1, #2, #3, etc
[23:33:57] <mikeh_> not sure how to set them, though
[23:33:58] <mikeh_> hmm
[23:34:14] <XXCoder> look at linuxcnc engrave gcode?
[23:34:18] <XXCoder> it does use it
[23:36:10] <mikeh_> oh i think i get it...o123 call [123] [234] would pass 123 and 234 into [#1] and #[2]
[23:38:01] <XXCoder> interesting
[23:38:16] <XXCoder> too bad this channel dont have query bot, save much time heh
[23:39:13] <mikeh_> i wonder if there's a nodejs gcode package
[23:39:17] <mikeh_> lol