#linuxcnc | Logs for 2016-12-01

[00:00:15] <codepython777> thanks
[00:00:47] <codepython777> Kevin`: I'm planning to mostly cut alum sheets - so you recommend 6040 over shapeoko/x-carve type stuff?
[00:10:32] <Kevin`> yes
[00:11:04] <codepython777> Kevin`: if i increase my budget by 1k more - anything else i should look at?
[00:16:40] <Kevin`> the lowest end of more traditional cnc mills (iron, high torque spindles) aren't too much above that, but I think you are in a dead zone there. or used.
[00:17:37] <Cromaglious_> codepython777, DEFINATELY I think a 6090 would be a better choice yet
[00:17:59] <Kevin`> eg http://www.tormach.com/product-pcnc-440.html
[00:18:25] <Kevin`> although that's not the cheapest
[00:18:43] <Cromaglious_> Tormach is a good choice if you can live with the small machining area
[00:19:26] <codepython777> Cromaglious_: https://www.omiocnc.com/ - is there a 6090 here?
[00:19:36] <Cromaglious_> I have a 3040 and it's barely able to handle AL
[00:20:27] <Kevin`> Cromaglious_: what sort of spindle do you have? (dc? induction? servo?)
[00:22:33] <Cromaglious_> still working on my ar-15 80% lower at the 2 month mark 400W DC, stock crappy steppers, upgraded drivers to Toshiba 6600's though
[00:23:07] <Kevin`> ah yeah I remember that. dc is why. you *NEED* speed control for metal
[00:23:20] <Cromaglious_> working on an Arduino /speed control feedback control for the spindle
[00:23:31] <Wolf_> router wouldnt be my first pick for milling metal
[00:23:44] <codepython777> Wolf_: what would be ?
[00:23:51] <Wolf_> mill lol
[00:24:03] <Wolf_> depends on how thick you are cutting
[00:24:14] <Cromaglious_> no it's the 0.040" flex on a 1/8" end mill plung cut with a 30% step over
[00:24:20] <codepython777> < 10 mm for sure
[00:24:22] <Wolf_> ar lower, drill press or mill imo
[00:26:04] <codepython777> Wolf_: I need to cut alum shapes from sheets
[00:26:35] <Wolf_> might work, I don’t own a router setup nor have played with one
[00:27:55] <codepython777> Cromaglious_: 6090 is $1k more it seems
[00:31:32] <Kevin`> proof of chooching, one of the first cuts I did with nc: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABpNSbwSkOI
[00:33:26] <Kevin`> your more traditional plunging holes in sheets is a major pain with aluminum (on any machine, it's a material physics thing). don't have videos of that unfortunately but i've done it a few times
[00:34:12] <Wolf_> plasma plunges fine :P
[02:29:48] <Deejay> moin
[02:31:29] <Wolf_> crap, i’m up late again
[02:31:34] <Wolf_> morning
[02:32:26] <archivist> it early!
[02:32:41] <Wolf_> 3am
[02:33:18] <archivist> 8 am and I have already scanned a manual for somebody
[02:38:06] <Deejay> 9 am :D
[03:21:42] <cpresser> does anybody here know of a place/shop in europe that sells imparial stuff. i am loogin for those: https://www.fastenal.com/products/details/1133740
[03:22:51] <archivist> nearest metric will fit probably
[03:23:38] <cpresser> 7/16 would be 11.1mm. the M12 metric version has 13mm inner diameter and 20mm od
[03:24:01] <cpresser> that would work, if i change all the parts/matring surfaces
[03:25:07] <cpresser> somebody already build the parts to fit the imperial size :/
[03:25:33] <archivist> M11 ?
[03:25:55] <archivist> might have enough clearance
[03:26:11] <cpresser> not sure if those exist. could not find any m11 lock-washers
[03:26:48] <cpresser> DIN6797 only has M10 and M12
[03:28:10] <cpresser> I might go for M10 and drill out the inner hole.
[03:28:47] <archivist> http://shop.imperialnutsandbolts.com/
[03:30:35] <archivist> I cannot stand all the broken JS on these sites
[03:32:13] <archivist> this one has all but that size https://www.westfieldfasteners.co.uk/UNC.html
[03:33:19] <archivist> this is my local http://www.pughandsanders.co.uk/
[03:41:29] <cpresser> I'll will just order M10 and drill. and if they dont fit, continue searching
[05:44:00] <jthornton> morning
[05:44:05] <Deejay> hey
[05:44:22] <XXCoder> hey jthornton
[05:45:01] <jthornton> tried to run ponterface yesterday and it said wx was not installed what a pain
[05:46:22] <XXCoder> got tip on one design, nice. since thingverse cost me $0, it means 3/0 = NaN benefit. nice! :D lol
[05:46:28] <XXCoder> and wx yeah annoying
[05:46:34] <XXCoder> it was good but now dunno
[05:47:44] <jthornton> what else can run the printer from the usb port?
[05:47:48] <Deejay> is NaN good? ;)
[05:48:07] <Deejay> i would guess infinity is better than nan
[05:48:47] <XXCoder> yeah lol
[05:50:26] <XXCoder> reminds me of this joke
[05:50:43] <XXCoder> so this guy comes in reserant with emu walking in with him
[05:50:58] <XXCoder> he sits and bird sits too
[05:51:12] <XXCoder> he says he want to order an burger, emu orders same
[05:51:25] <XXCoder> he takes out exact charge ti poay for both from pocket
[05:51:39] <XXCoder> next day he comes in with emu again
[05:51:53] <XXCoder> he said he wll have sandwinch and fries this time. emu agrees.
[05:52:07] <XXCoder> he also takes exact charge out of pocket to pay for it
[05:52:24] <XXCoder> after few days of this, waiter got tired of this so she asks whats going on
[05:52:34] <XXCoder> he revealed that he once found a genie
[05:53:14] <XXCoder> he said he wished for a car, pocket that always contains enough money to poay for whatever he want, and tall chick that agrees with everything.
[05:53:28] <jthornton> lol
[05:53:36] <Deejay> hahaha :D
[05:54:01] <Deejay> emu ^^
[05:55:31] <Tom_L> jthornton, do you recall that tip you gave me to get rid of lucid warnings about updates?
[05:55:59] <jthornton> yea it's on my web store
[05:56:00] <Tom_L> since it's no longer supported...
[05:56:15] <jthornton> http://www.mesaus.com/info/linuxcnc.html
[05:56:24] <Tom_L> can i order one?
[05:56:40] <Deejay> haha
[05:56:49] <Deejay> can't put it into the basket
[05:57:09] <jthornton> order 10
[05:58:08] <Tom_L> i may have done that already thru package manager..
[05:58:48] <Tom_L> i did get 2.7.8 installed last night
[05:59:12] <Tom_L> thanks
[06:00:00] <jthornton> I think I have 2.7.8 running on all my machines
[06:00:13] <Deejay> :)
[06:00:19] <Tom_L> no issues?
[06:00:26] <Tom_L> i haven't run it yet
[06:00:56] <jthornton> none that I know of
[06:02:40] <Deejay> 2.7.8 works fine for me
[06:42:11] <jthornton> https://3dprint.com/156919/prusa-slic3r-edition-software/
[06:43:04] <XXCoder> theres no linux full version
[06:43:08] <XXCoder> have to compile :9
[06:43:12] <XXCoder> :(
[06:44:21] <jthornton> can you get it now?
[06:44:31] <XXCoder> I have it but command line only
[06:45:45] <XXCoder> http://www.prusa3d.com/drivers/
[06:48:53] <XXCoder> trying compile
[06:49:41] <SpeedEvil> XXCoder: https://xkcd.com/303/ remember
[06:49:52] <XXCoder> old heh
[06:56:38] <XXCoder> compling....
[07:04:39] <XXCoder> The XS/C++ code failed to compile, aborting
[07:04:40] <XXCoder> bah
[07:06:50] <jthornton> dang it
[07:07:43] <XXCoder> think fixed it
[07:14:03] <XXCoder> hm
[07:14:11] <XXCoder> may be doing it wrong. git pull doesnt work
[07:14:42] <XXCoder> There is no tracking information for the current branch.
[07:14:43] <XXCoder> Please specify which branch you want to merge with.
[07:20:05] <jthornton> I get the same message
[07:20:21] <XXCoder> I figured it
[07:20:24] <XXCoder> it needed full name
[07:21:00] <XXCoder> git pull (git url) (version like stable or master_)
[07:21:50] <XXCoder> it said fully caught up anyway
[07:22:04] <jthornton> git pull https://github.com/alexrj/Slic3r.git stable
[07:22:18] <XXCoder> yeah
[07:22:20] <jthornton> that gave me a bunch of conflict errors
[07:23:18] <XXCoder> weird
[07:23:31] <XXCoder> it should be prusa slic3r
[07:23:57] <jthornton> I need to get my ass in gear and get out to the shop before free time is up
[07:25:42] <XXCoder> "Configure failed for OpenGL-0.70"
[07:27:23] <XXCoder> "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lGL"
[07:27:26] <XXCoder> weird error
[07:32:29] <XXCoder> forgget it getting late
[08:37:01] <pythonirc101> Kevin`: are you around by any chance?
[08:40:18] <pythonirc101> anyone has a 6040? X-2200 here?
[08:47:34] <pythonirc101> Hi Frank_6 :)
[08:47:46] <Frank_6> hello
[08:49:59] <pythonirc101> Frank_6: what are you working on today?
[08:51:39] <Frank_6> just usual stuff,still no cnc
[08:52:10] <pythonirc101> Frank_6: I'm looking to buy a cnc - was looking at this one : https://www.omiocnc.com/makerzonelist/cnc-router-for-makerzone/x8-1500m-cnc-desktop-engraver.html
[08:54:14] <Frank_6> you should read some reviews, i havent seen that one before cnczone has lots of info
[08:54:40] <pythonirc101> Frank_6: I saw some reviews on the X6 - not yet on the X8 series though
[08:54:52] <Frank_6> any good?
[08:55:04] <pythonirc101> X6 looks pretty good - some are getting it compared to 6040s
[08:59:19] <pythonirc101> Frank_6: how important is water cooling?
[09:07:43] <pythonirc101> Frank_6: have you used mach3?
[09:08:25] <Frank_6> i dont really know, actually i dont have any particular experience with a cnc machine, im still building mine..
[09:08:28] <Frank_6> never mach 3
[09:09:16] <pythonirc101> Frank_6: how much are you planning to spend to build yours?
[09:10:25] <Frank_6> a lot more than 2k that ill tell you, but here everything is more expensive, im not in the us
[09:10:47] <pythonirc101> Frank_6: how does that machine look like? the one i linked to - compared to the one you are building?
[09:13:28] <Frank_6> its a completely different thing i believe, mine is 2.4meters long if you want reliable information you should read the cnczone forum, lots of experience and things to read about, theres where i learnt to build mine for the most part, or at least where i began
[09:15:56] <pythonirc101> which control board are you thinking of getting?
[09:20:51] <lostinbits> I'm building a gantry plasma machine for my shop. The working area is about 1.9*3.7m. I have added a rotary for pipe cutting.I have a Fujitsu Siemens PC with 20000ns latency(rtai kernel). The drivers are set to 3200 microstepping.The rack module is 1.25 . I have added a reduction the the gantry motor. 20 teeth for the motor gear and 60 teeth for the pully. how to setup this machine using...
[09:20:52] <lostinbits> ...axis or gmoccapy?
[09:34:12] <JT-Shop> stepconf wizard
[09:37:10] <pythonirc101> anyone uses bobcad?
[09:38:21] <JT-Shop> I tried bobcrap twice...
[09:40:04] <pythonirc101> JT-Shop: have you tried fusion?
[09:40:18] <JT-Shop> no
[09:40:55] <pythonirc101> I was wondering if i can use it to drive a machine that works with mach3?
[09:41:18] <JT-Shop> have to ask that on the mark3 forum
[09:46:24] <archivist> pythonirc101, why are you asking about a fiat cnc control in a rolls garage
[09:47:05] <DaPeace> ^^
[09:47:10] <DaPeace> good answer :-D
[09:47:37] <DaPeace> pythonirc101: use fusion.. its very powerfull. i really like it :-)
[09:48:05] <pythonirc101> archivist: I'm trying to figure out if i can use fusion 360 to run the X6-2200L
[09:49:21] <DaPeace> what do you need to figure out there? if you have a postprocessor everything should be ok
[09:49:22] * archivist is reminded of polyputthekettleon sequence of questions
[09:49:56] <pythonirc101> DaPeace: the machine seems to read mach3 output?
[09:50:11] <pythonirc101> DaPeace: I'm not sure how the g-code is sent, and what is allowed in the g-code
[09:50:57] <DaPeace> so the machine runs mach3 now?
[09:51:10] <JT-Shop> archivist: good question :)
[09:51:28] <DaPeace> maybe you have to output the file by mach3-post and then copy to the machine
[09:53:04] <JT-Shop> X6-2200L-USB ...
[09:54:03] <DaPeace> hmm. when i read the specs i would say there is some kind of control-software for that thing or you have a mach3-plugin to use it
[09:54:26] * archivist takes an instant dislike to usb in an interface
[09:54:28] <pythonirc101> mach3 runs on windows?
[09:54:37] <DaPeace> yes mach3 is on windows
[09:54:41] <pythonirc101> windows xp? I dont have an xp machine
[09:54:55] <DaPeace> i think it will run on 7 as well
[09:55:05] <DaPeace> https://www.omiocnc.com/products/x6-2200l-usb.html
[09:55:09] <archivist> crash on any version
[09:55:15] <pythonirc101> DaPeace: And I'll have to buy it? $175?
[09:55:43] <archivist> use linuxcnc and no purchase required
[09:56:08] <pythonirc101> archivist: I was reading at cnczone that getting linuxcnc to work with the usb is painful ?
[09:56:25] <archivist> usb is a disaster
[09:56:33] <DaPeace> pythonirc101: look at my link.. when i read the working requirements i guess that the producer of the mill is giving you all software
[09:56:40] <archivist> it is not realtime, not sutable for cnc
[09:56:57] <pythonirc101> DaPeace: i think they expect me to have a windows xp box lying around?
[09:57:06] <pythonirc101> from what i understood
[09:57:14] <archivist> get a parallel version
[09:58:05] <pythonirc101> archivist: 1) They dont have one. 2) I'm planning to run it using a notebook - no parallel port - i do have ethernet though
[09:58:05] <DaPeace> pythonirc101: yes. the deliver a machine with mach3 and because of the nice usb-interface you will not have a chance to run something else then mach3..
[09:58:30] <pythonirc101> DaPeace: so linuxcnc is out?
[09:58:47] <DaPeace> yes. because linuxcnc cant control any usb-motion-controller
[09:59:01] <DaPeace> its not the philosophy of linuxcnc
[09:59:08] <cradek> depending on the notebook, the ethernet may be a good motion control interface. you'd have to test.
[09:59:27] <cradek> ... but usually notebooks are bad for realtime performance because of bios limitations
[09:59:40] <pythonirc101> DaPeace: should i go for a 6090 and then change the control board?
[09:59:50] <pythonirc101> This looked like a good build
[10:05:24] <DaPeace> the x6 looks not that bad.. i think you only have to buy it without the control-box and use something like a triplebeast
[10:05:53] <pythonirc101> triplebeast? I was trying to find how others use it at cnczone - no luck yet
[10:06:06] <pythonirc101> I do not want xp for anything - preferably want to keep away from windows
[10:06:38] <DaPeace> hmm.. you want to use a laptop… thats the main problem..
[10:06:54] <pythonirc101> DaPeace: raspberry pi?
[10:07:08] <DaPeace> never seen anything bigger controlled by a raspberry…
[10:07:25] <DaPeace> all ive seen is raspberry + breakout-controller..
[10:07:44] <pythonirc101> DaPeace: lets say i can salvage a machine with a motherboard + ubuntu
[10:07:54] <pythonirc101> how can i control it from there?
[10:08:13] <DaPeace> parallel-port or mesa-card for example
[10:08:30] <DaPeace> or ethercat if you have a capable ethernet-card (mostly intel-nics work)
[10:08:48] <pythonirc101> how does a parallel-port help with the x6-2200 usb?
[10:09:09] <DaPeace> throw away the usb-controller and buy 3 stepper-driver + parallel-breakoutboard
[10:09:54] <pythonirc101> DaPeace: do you have a link for me?
[10:10:17] <pythonirc101> DaPeace: isnt it better to buy a 6090 and get a controller for it?
[10:11:15] <DaPeace> 6090 has those bad supported rails..
[10:11:47] <pythonirc101> k - so the x6 is better then
[10:12:44] <DaPeace> the 6090 is the big brother of the 4030.. i think you can read a lot in the net about what crap that piece is..
[10:13:08] <pythonirc101> DaPeace: the X6 looked better - but the software ... is painful
[10:16:08] <DaPeace> the problem is the x6 is a package for people that dont have problems with windows..
[10:16:32] <DaPeace> its not really "open sourced"
[10:16:45] <DaPeace> the machine-building looks ok for a desktop-mill
[10:18:02] <pythonirc101> DaPeace: are there similar mills at similar prices that I can buy that will work with linuxcnc well?
[10:18:10] <DaPeace> what does the x6 cost?
[10:18:52] <pythonirc101> DaPeace: 2.5k including shipping
[10:19:40] <DaPeace> problem is that im from germany living in austria and i know the local companys building cncs but i dont know if they are working global
[10:19:56] <pythonirc101> DaPeace: I'm guessing the locals are expensive?
[10:20:46] <DaPeace> depends..
[10:20:47] <DaPeace> http://www.sorotec.de/
[10:21:02] <DaPeace> watch this site.. thats a local one.. you can change the language
[10:21:57] <DaPeace> here you can buy a basic-line similar to the x6 for 1890EUR.. but you will need to buy the electronics by yourself
[10:24:26] <pythonirc101> DaPeace: there is a usb control board in the x6 - can i just replace that?
[10:25:28] <DaPeace> in theory you can replace everything.. i think they use normal stepper and maybe they use normal stepper-drivers inside that box too
[10:25:45] <DaPeace> but how that works practicaly .. i dont know..
[10:26:31] <pythonirc101> DaPeace: what is a good control board to buy for such a setup?
[10:27:03] <pythonirc101> DaPeace: my other option is to buy the X6 with a offline control system (Which i think hosts a mach3 internally)
[10:27:06] <DaPeace> hmm.. that depends on your budget
[10:28:33] <DaPeace> as i already told you.. there is parallel-port-control.. thats the cheapest, then you can use a mesa-card.. thats around 100$ and you can go by beckhoff and ethercat as well.. thats what i used and thats a little expensive
[10:29:40] <DaPeace> for parallel-port you need a breakout-board + 3 stepper-driver.. thats it.. when you go very cheap you will pay 50$ for that.. tb6600-driver for the stepper..
[10:29:53] <pythonirc101> I can spend a bit more than that
[10:30:13] <pythonirc101> What did you get? I would like to get something reliable - and fast
[10:41:31] <pythonirc101> DaPeace1: seems like mach3 works on windows 7
[10:42:04] <cradek> ethercat is an albatross
[10:42:22] <cradek> support isn't and can't be in linuxcnc
[10:42:34] <DaPeace1> ethercat works with linuxcnc
[10:42:35] <cradek> I recommend you use a supported configuration, especially if you're new
[10:42:37] <DaPeace1> without problems..
[10:42:49] <DaPeace1> but its hard to configure… thats true
[10:42:50] <pythonirc101> cradek: seems like mach3 does work on windows 7
[10:43:09] <DaPeace1> pythonirc101: mach3 works on win7.. i told you before..
[10:43:40] <pythonirc101> DaPeace1: now i have to figure out if x6 comes with mach3 or do i have to buy a copy
[10:43:54] <cradek> pythonirc101: (I have no information about that, or interest in it)
[10:44:47] <pythonirc101> https://www.omiocnc.com/products/x6-2200l-usb.html - perhaps i can get one, start using it, then fish for control boards + linuxcnc setup
[10:44:53] <pythonirc101> At least if i have a windows 7 box, it should work
[11:34:04] <Dissent> I wasnt able to get the machine level and square in a machine shop at my school
[11:34:08] <Dissent> I'm taking it to a pro shop for a quote now
[11:34:16] <Dissent> I may be asking for a refund depending on what they tell me
[11:34:24] <Dissent> It was false advertising
[11:35:04] <Tom_L> that's the spirit
[11:35:26] <Dissent> I've screenshotted the page where it says no guages etc needed
[11:35:29] <Dissent> and no need to square etc
[11:35:33] <archivist> that has to be polyputthekettleon under another nick
[11:36:16] <Dissent> I'm checking w/ card issuer about chargeback possiblity
[11:36:19] <Dissent> if it comes to that
[11:42:45] <Dissent> We will see what the shop says they will charge
[12:13:13] <Dissent> the machine shop told me they couldnt do it!!!!!
[12:13:14] <Dissent> wtf
[12:13:22] <Dissent> they said it would be $1600 or so but their table wasnt big enough
[12:15:13] <archivist> just do it by hand
[12:15:26] <Jymmm> water level
[12:15:37] <Dissent> it cant be done by hand
[12:16:20] <NGoossens> what are you trying to make (sorry, just joined)
[12:16:29] <archivist> in the olden days all machines were set up by hand, it can be done
[12:17:02] <roycroft> almost anything can be made by hand
[12:17:04] <Jymmm> Like pyramids and shit without power tools
[12:17:13] <djdelorie> well, LOTS of hands for those
[12:17:54] <Jymmm> djdelorie: But alignment over 100 miles away?
[12:18:06] <Jymmm> without gps/satellite
[12:18:41] * djdelorie wonders if a water level would work at all over those distances
[12:18:44] <archivist> they never has GPS when the first surveyed countries
[12:18:53] <Jymmm> just some string, not even a 99¢ calculator
[12:19:12] <djdelorie> 60 years ago, "calculator" was a profession, not a device
[12:19:13] <NGoossens> I watched this last weekend, it was nice to see a Gingery Lathe get built after I read the book years ago https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPGZg45dGXA
[12:19:49] <djdelorie> heck, the guys that put in my foundation used new-fangled laser technology and still got one end 1.5 inches higher than the other
[12:19:57] <djdelorie> a tube of water would have been much more accurate
[12:20:10] <roycroft> that's because they also used those new-fangled beer cans to assist
[12:20:30] <archivist> that was to get the water to one end
[12:20:36] <djdelorie> or they just did their best after the old-fangled TNT was done making the hole
[12:20:39] <NGoossens> to be fair, the ground moves over time
[12:20:49] <djdelorie> that too, but not after a WEEK
[12:21:08] <roycroft> it could, if they did not dig the footings deep enough
[12:21:42] <roycroft> but that would still be a mistake on the builders' part
[12:21:49] <djdelorie> true, but... foundation, granite, TNT... they're basically building on a large slab of rock.
[12:22:04] <archivist> someone built a clock on a solid bock foundation, he could sense seasons and the moon iirc
[12:22:09] <djdelorie> Anyway, to cut the argument off, yes, the house has settled over the last 15 years, but that mistake was an uncalibrated laser level
[12:23:14] <djdelorie> the other "level" error was more prosaic: the kid with the stick forgot that the drain had to be the *lowest* part, so needed the *longest* stick to measure from the ceiling
[12:23:21] <roycroft> i'm shopping for a manual lathe
[12:23:29] <roycroft> something small, but capable
[12:23:30] <djdelorie> he used the shortest, so the floor drain is higher than anything else on the floor :-P
[12:23:38] <roycroft> like a 10x24 or something
[12:24:08] <roycroft> i'm looking at things like the grizzly, which have a "semi gearbox"
[12:24:17] <cradek> djdelorie: that's an amazing story
[12:24:40] <djdelorie> you build your own house, you get a lifetime of stories in a year
[12:24:58] <roycroft> i.e. one can do some thread pitch changes with the levers, but one still needs to install change gears often, and certainly when switching from feeding to thread cutting
[12:25:32] <roycroft> and old atlas 9" lathes that use change gears exclusively
[12:25:33] <djdelorie> roycroft: my lathe doesn't have a changebox, so yeah, ratio changes are, well, avoided
[12:25:52] <djdelorie> but I can install custom gears if needed, which is harder with a gearbox
[12:26:02] <roycroft> the advantage of the new one is that the ways are likely in better shape than an old used one
[12:26:06] <djdelorie> http://www.delorie.com/photos/southbend-lathe/img_3199.html
[12:26:15] <Dissent> I just used a granite table
[12:26:18] <Dissent> guage blocks, indicator
[12:26:19] <Dissent> etc
[12:26:24] <Dissent> and a guy with 40 years expeirence
[12:26:27] <Dissent> in 2 hours we oculdnt get it done
[12:26:38] <Dissent> then another 8 with just a students help
[12:26:45] <roycroft> the disadvantage is that a lot of the new ones have good ways but have crappy compounds, and a generally poor fit and finish
[12:26:48] <Dissent> I've put so many hours into this so far that it will never be worth it now
[12:26:49] <djdelorie> Dissent: how big is whatever you're trying to flatten?
[12:26:59] <Dissent> 24x36
[12:27:08] <Dissent> its flat and level
[12:27:08] <djdelorie> that's tiny. How tall?
[12:27:10] <roycroft> i'm looking at getting something that is fully functional as quickly and easily as possible
[12:27:12] <Dissent> but the rails etc
[12:27:21] <Dissent> the long axis ballscrfew is binding
[12:27:23] <Dissent> no matter what I do
[12:27:25] <roycroft> and i'm trying to stay withn $1500 for a budget
[12:27:33] <Dissent> the gantry moves freely with the ballscrew disconnected
[12:27:54] <IchGucksLive> hgi
[12:27:59] <Dissent> but when I connect it it gets crunchy
[12:28:01] <Dissent> I even tried shimming
[12:28:02] <Dissent> no luck
[12:28:03] <djdelorie> roycroft: I got a used antique and really like it, although it was well maintained and in good shape, used can be a nightmare too
[12:28:27] <djdelorie> 90 years old and runs better than anything else in my shop
[12:28:38] <djdelorie> especially my cnc machine which is still not fix grumble grumble
[12:28:43] <archivist> cradek, one for you http://www.hsn161.com/HSN/hsn_article.php clock on 12 tonnes of concrete
[12:28:53] <roycroft> i found this, which is out of budget but may be a good deal:
[12:28:54] <Dissent> https://i.ytimg.com/vi/gJ3mPKgSVow/maxresdefault.jpg
[12:29:00] <roycroft> http://portland.craigslist.org/clc/tls/5891561759.html
[12:29:04] <Dissent> https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Ns3qF1_28B0/maxresdefault.jpg
[12:29:06] <Dissent> thats machine from 2 angles
[12:29:09] <Dissent> so you can see the side rails
[12:29:15] <Dissent> and the ballscrew mount that binds when tightened
[12:29:17] <Dissent> after leveling rails
[12:29:33] <Dissent> anyone east coast usa want to fix it?
[12:29:38] <Dissent> quote would need to be under $1600
[12:29:38] <archivist> pack the screw mounts
[12:29:43] <IchGucksLive> roycroft: http://www.sorotec.de/shop/CNC-Portalfraesen/
[12:29:56] <NGoossens> what state?
[12:30:15] <Dissent> VT
[12:30:16] <roycroft> i'm looking for a small lathe, ichguckslive
[12:30:20] <roycroft> manual lathe
[12:30:30] <IchGucksLive> ah ok
[12:30:33] <roycroft> 9-10" swing
[12:30:39] <roycroft> ~24" would be fine
[12:30:44] <archivist> that is huge :)
[12:30:52] <roycroft> if i had a bit more budget i'd get a 14x30 or so
[12:30:57] <djdelorie> archivist: that's small for me :-)
[12:31:20] <archivist> djdelorie, I have a big southbend in the garage
[12:31:30] <roycroft> did anyone look at that link for the 1928 9" south bend?
[12:31:41] <IchGucksLive> so its finaly Dezember
[12:31:49] <roycroft> it is
[12:31:53] <djdelorie> I had an opportunity for that too, my wife's company was getting rid of a 24" swing SB. She said NO.
[12:31:54] <roycroft> and we still have not had our first frost
[12:32:04] <IchGucksLive> finishing the last mashines for this year nears
[12:32:07] <roycroft> i cannot remember first frost *ever* being this late
[12:32:19] <roycroft> we usually get it in mid-october
[12:32:24] <djdelorie> Dissent: I'm in NH and willing to look at it, but chances of fixing it probably not worth the travel.
[12:32:32] <roycroft> i guess it's that not global climate change :)
[12:32:36] <IchGucksLive> -11C° yesterday
[12:32:55] <djdelorie> I know someone in NH near VT that has a huge old scraper if needed, though, but that won't help with an extrusion machine problem
[12:33:01] <IchGucksLive> 12F
[12:33:21] <djdelorie> one advantage of stupid cold winters is it won't snow if it's too cold
[12:33:24] <Dissent> the guy is claiming the ballscrew is either bent or the bearings on the end have a problem
[12:33:27] <Dissent> just got an email
[12:33:58] <archivist> loosed the end mounts to see what the error is
[12:33:59] <roycroft> this is the new lathe i'm looking at:
[12:34:01] <roycroft> http://www.grizzly.com/products/10-x-22-Bench-Top-Metal-Lathe/G0602?utm_campaign=zPage&utm_source=grizzly.com
[12:34:05] <roycroft> any opinions on that?
[12:34:30] <roycroft> i would probably replace the motor with a 3 phase motor and a vfd
[12:34:37] <roycroft> i'd like variable speed
[12:34:41] <roycroft> and a lower speed than 150rpm
[12:34:49] <roycroft> i'd really like 80rpm or so for knurling and thread cutting
[12:34:55] <Kevin`> pythonirc101: pong
[12:35:04] <IchGucksLive> Yes the Hyanyang is quite easy and cheep
[12:35:13] <IchGucksLive> roycroft: 1,1KW
[12:35:34] <IchGucksLive> pump motors at 2880RPM
[12:35:37] <roycroft> i have a 2hp motor and a 2.2kw vfd in my shop right now that's not being used
[12:35:45] <roycroft> it is for a project i haven't finished
[12:35:52] <roycroft> primarly because i need a lathe for that project :)
[12:35:56] <IchGucksLive> USe it
[12:36:14] <IchGucksLive> always good to get a opld lathe in the shop
[12:36:29] <IchGucksLive> not nessusary CNC
[12:36:38] <djdelorie> old lathes are nice and quiet too
[12:36:41] <IchGucksLive> but not a fault at all
[12:36:57] <djdelorie> but it takes me like 6 hours to make a simple bolt
[12:37:00] <IchGucksLive> as here in Germany supply is all over
[12:37:41] <roycroft> it takes me 10 minutes to go buy a simple bolt, if i don't have it in stock
[12:37:47] <roycroft> i would not make simple bolts
[12:37:52] <roycroft> i would make interesting bolts though
[12:38:02] <IchGucksLive> For example http://www.maedler.de/product/1643/1620/din-103-trapezgewinde-spindeln-und-muttern-eingaengig-rechts
[12:38:08] <djdelorie> yeah, I didn't want to waste half an hour driving in to town... but I made a bolt you can't buy, so there is that
[12:38:13] <IchGucksLive> all sizes and formats at 24Hr delivery
[12:38:20] <djdelorie> low profile head and matching low profile nut
[12:38:39] <roycroft> i want to make some cam-lock jigs for various projects
[12:38:45] <roycroft> double threads are great for those
[12:38:58] <pythonirc101> Hi Kevin`
[12:38:59] <roycroft> and almost impossible to purchase double thread bolts
[12:39:23] <djdelorie> How many do you need? Might be easier to ask someone else to make them...
[12:39:32] <djdelorie> (but not as much fun)
[12:39:38] <CaptHindsight> threadless bolts!
[12:39:39] <pythonirc101> I saw that you recommended the omio cnc - do you have any experience with them?
[12:39:53] <roycroft> it's more a matter to me of having the machinery to make what i need as i need it
[12:39:54] <pythonirc101> Kevin`: I was thinking of a X6 and was wondering if it will work with a linux box
[12:40:05] <roycroft> i would use the lathe often
[12:40:09] <djdelorie> yeah, "not as much fun" :-)
[12:40:15] <roycroft> i have one of those little 7x14 harbor freight lathes now
[12:40:28] <roycroft> but it is pretty crappy and i can't do much with it
[12:40:37] <CaptHindsight> roycroft: how well does the HF lathe work?
[12:40:37] <gregcnc> china is known for threadless bolts and nuts
[12:40:39] <IchGucksLive> pythonirc101: what will be the main use
[12:40:42] <roycroft> and i don't think it's worth rebuilding so that it is actually useful
[12:40:46] <djdelorie> I have a 7x10 also, it sits mostly unused - the 13" SB is far more accurate and precise, even for tiny things
[12:40:47] <pythonirc101> IchGucksLive: cut alum
[12:40:57] <pythonirc101> IchGucksLive: mostly <= 10mm sheets into shapes
[12:40:58] <IchGucksLive> size
[12:41:08] <pythonirc101> 30cm x 30cm around
[12:41:08] <roycroft> given that the ways are bowed about 0.004" i can't say it works very well
[12:41:09] * djdelorie is considering repurposing the 7" as a fourth axis for something
[12:41:11] <IchGucksLive> oh then the X6 will do it
[12:41:28] <pythonirc101> IchGucksLive: the problem is software. I do not want to run windows + mach3
[12:41:29] <roycroft> that's the primary problem
[12:41:42] <IchGucksLive> pythonirc101: no problem to fit
[12:41:46] <pythonirc101> IchGucksLive: If I can help it. Seems like i will be forced to?
[12:41:52] <roycroft> and i can't do anything useful when i have to leave the carriage loose enough to ride those ways
[12:41:52] <djdelorie> mine has so much slop in the crossfeed and compound that it's nearly unusable
[12:42:01] <IchGucksLive> pythonirc101: do you got mashining to build it yourself
[12:42:11] <roycroft> long term i want a decent size lathe
[12:42:23] <roycroft> but i'm looking for something inexpensive yet useful for the near term
[12:42:37] <roycroft> i also don't have much shop space right now, so that 10x22 grizzly would be good
[12:42:43] <roycroft> it only needs 40" of floor space
[12:42:51] <djdelorie> roycroft: don't discount the "old heavy iron" solution, though.
[12:43:08] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: no frills lathe https://chicago.craigslist.org/sox/tls/5898543910.html
[12:43:10] <djdelorie> as long as the ways are good, antiques can outperform modern machines sometimes
[12:43:13] <roycroft> i started this discussion asking about old iron vs. new
[12:43:31] <roycroft> specifically asking about machines like that old atlas 9"
[12:43:48] <gregcnc> saw that, cheap but needs everything to do anything
[12:43:51] <roycroft> and i did paste a link to a 1928 9: south bend
[12:44:02] <roycroft> 9"
[12:44:06] * djdelorie came in too late
[12:44:13] <roycroft> no worries
[12:44:21] <roycroft> you're caught up now :)
[12:44:29] * djdelorie has a 1922 13" southbend
[12:44:42] <roycroft> what i don't want to do/can't really afford to do is inheret someone else's project
[12:44:46] <roycroft> inherit
[12:45:07] <djdelorie> tip, though: stuff closer to WWII tends to have a more standard spec for chuck mounts etc
[12:45:11] <roycroft> my main interest in getting something new is that it's more likely to work adequately out of the box than something i find used online
[12:45:21] <roycroft> that's also a concern
[12:45:46] <roycroft> and if i got that grizzly it comes with a 3 jaw, 4 jaw, face plate, and there's a standard collet holder for it
[12:45:48] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: https://racine.craigslist.org/tls/5886983175.html
[12:45:53] <djdelorie> if you buy modern, do not buy a lathe without a D-something chuck mount
[12:45:57] <roycroft> most of the used ones come with a 3 jaw
[12:46:03] <roycroft> some come with a 4 jaw as well
[12:46:10] <roycroft> virtually none come with a faceplate or collet holder
[12:46:43] <djdelorie> I got a Bison collet chuck, 0.0005 TIR
[12:47:31] <djdelorie> and I haven't used my faceplate yet
[12:47:33] <roycroft> the grizzly has a threaded spindle
[12:47:59] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: a beast https://southbend.craigslist.org/tls/5853102001.html
[12:48:05] <djdelorie> I have a threaded spindle. You want a D-* mount so you can run in reverse
[12:48:16] <djdelorie> er, "safely" run in reverse
[12:48:33] <gregcnc> tha'ts VTL is big, i guess they all are
[12:49:17] <CaptHindsight> what is the price for scrap now?
[12:49:49] <Jymmm> Zero, but you can buy scrap steel for 50¢/lb
[12:51:10] <CaptHindsight> 40' 8k lb steel containers are going for ~$1k, $0.125/lb
[12:51:37] <gregcnc> when there was a glut containers were half that
[12:51:52] <roycroft> i ahve to double my investment to get one with a cam-lock spindle
[12:52:05] <gregcnc> it cost more to get an enmpty contianer back to china than it was worth was my understanding
[12:52:16] <roycroft> i'm not terribly experienced in operating a lathe, but i don't think i've ever needed to run in reverse
[12:52:51] <djdelorie> it's just IMHO but if you're investing in something "new" and "big", a threaded spindle is a non-starter
[12:53:02] <Kevin`> pythonirc101: Stepper drivers are standard opto input. to run w linuxcnc needs controller card or parport. i use a mesa card
[12:53:12] <djdelorie> cast iron is better turned in reverse, so it sprays down instead of up
[12:53:14] <gregcnc> if you use a switch to reverse, you might worry about threaded chucks. With VFD braking and ramping, not so much
[12:53:19] <CaptHindsight> steel is 3-4.5 cents/lb scrap
[12:53:30] <roycroft> well anything with a cam-lock is out of budget right now
[12:53:40] <roycroft> and i'm not willing to take on additional debt at the moment
[12:54:19] <roycroft> http://www.grizzly.com/products/12-x-24-Gear-Head-Cam-Lock-Spindle-Gap-Bed-Lathe/G4002?utm_campaign=zPage&utm_source=grizzly.com
[12:54:28] <roycroft> that's basically what i'd be into for a cam-lock
[12:54:31] <djdelorie> gregcnc: I was thinking torque due to cutting, not the reversal itself. I can reverse mine but not really cut in reverse
[12:54:38] <roycroft> and as i said before, i want to keep the budget down to $1500 or so
[12:54:52] <gregcnc> I only part in reverse
[12:55:08] <pythonirc101> Kevin`: I'm new. What is the easiest way to control the X6 with linuxcnc? Can you link me a realiable+easy to use part that I could buy?
[12:55:14] <roycroft> now that i think about it, i've knurled in reverse
[12:55:26] <roycroft> but i just need reverse feed for that
[12:55:30] <roycroft> not reverse spindle rotation
[12:55:45] <gregcnc> why would that matter for knurling?
[12:55:58] <roycroft> it doesn't really
[12:56:07] <roycroft> but it can be useful to knurl away from the spindle at times
[12:56:23] <roycroft> i'm just trying to think of when i have used reverse
[12:56:32] <roycroft> i've used it when cutting metric threads, to keep the tooling indexed
[12:56:43] <roycroft> but i can always back off the compound when reversing
[12:56:56] <roycroft> i.e. i haven't cut in reverse when doing metric threading
[12:57:13] <gregcnc> threading is low force
[12:57:13] <Kevin`> pythonirc101: on phone now. is slow. mesa ethernet card w stepper and analog spindle
[12:57:16] <roycroft> so when might i find it necessary to actually cut in reverse?
[12:57:55] <roycroft> as i've said, longer term i want a 14x40 or so as my main lathe
[12:57:56] <andypugh> Some people use a back-toolpost for parting.
[12:57:59] <roycroft> but no budget for that now
[12:58:09] <djdelorie> cast iron
[12:58:13] <roycroft> sure, andypugh, but that's not really a necessity
[12:58:14] <gregcnc> I part with the blade upside down in reverse. It simply works better.
[12:58:19] <roycroft> it's just something folks do
[12:58:32] <roycroft> i've had scary parting moments
[12:58:33] <gregcnc> back post would be the same in normal rotation
[12:58:39] <roycroft> but i've always been able to get the job done
[12:58:45] <roycroft> without reverse/upside down
[12:59:00] <gregcnc> https://madison.craigslist.org/tls/5898584737.html
[12:59:10] <andypugh> But I have never needed to reverse in years of using a threaded-nose spindle on a cheap chinese lathe converted to CNC. Having said that, Camlock was high on my list of features when I replaced that lathe.
[12:59:13] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: walmart! https://www.walmart.com/ip/56326-1-14-40-Foot-Container-Semi-Trailer/37286165?wmlspartner=wlpa&selectedSellerId=587&adid=22222222227026451411&wl0=&wl1=g&wl2=c&wl3=56459765889&wl4=pla-89155284729&wl5=9021490&wl6=&wl7=&wl8=&wl9=pla&wl10=112354378&wl11=online&wl12=37286165&wl13=&veh=sem
[12:59:18] <roycroft> i'm looking for something that's useful now, without having to wait until i'm able to get the longer term one
[12:59:44] <roycroft> and if i'm looking at old used lathes like the smaller south bend and atlas, they have threaded spindles
[12:59:53] <roycroft> so a threaded spindle new lathe would be no different in that repsect
[12:59:54] <roycroft> respect
[13:00:03] <gregcnc> capthindsight hah if you need one at 1/14th scale!
[13:00:18] <roycroft> although some of the older ones had clamps to hold the chuck in place on the spindle
[13:00:25] <roycroft> and i don't think any of the new chinese ones do
[13:00:40] <gregcnc> https://www.tamiyausa.com/product/item.php?product-id=56326
[13:00:59] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: the BP looks nice
[13:01:06] <roycroft> is the "partial gearbox" really a big drawback?
[13:01:18] <djdelorie> some threaded chucks have keyways, too
[13:01:38] <roycroft> and keep i mind that intend to cut some non-standard thread pitches on a regular basis
[13:01:46] <roycroft> i.e. the double threads i was discussing a short while ago
[13:02:02] <roycroft> so i may need to do some creative gearing to get, say, 5 tpi
[13:02:20] <roycroft> if it's a full change gear lathe that should be no problem at all
[13:02:37] <roycroft> but do the partial gearbox lathes not allow some gear combinations?
[13:03:13] <roycroft> i don't know enough about them, other than that they generally have a gearbox that does doubling and tripling
[13:03:24] <roycroft> and a set of change gears to set the base pitch
[13:03:37] <gregcnc> which lathe?
[13:03:49] <roycroft> that grizzly 10x22 is an example
[13:03:57] <roycroft> http://www.grizzly.com/products/10-x-22-Bench-Top-Metal-Lathe/G0602?utm_campaign=zPage&utm_source=grizzly.com
[13:04:03] <andypugh> If you comvert to CNC you don’t need the threading gearbox, and can make any thread.
[13:04:05] <roycroft> but it's typical of the smaller chinese lathes
[13:04:08] <gregcnc> you could probably work out gears to do it
[13:04:16] <roycroft> this is true, andypugh
[13:04:29] <roycroft> but i'm looking for something i can use out of the crate very soon
[13:04:41] <roycroft> longer term there will be a cnc lathe
[13:04:51] <andypugh> The Chinese lathe I got could make many threads not listed on the chart. I made a full list.
[13:05:08] <roycroft> it's easy to calculate the gearing for just about any pitch
[13:05:25] <roycroft> my concern is that it may be difficult to physically mount the change gears on a partial gearbox lathe
[13:05:39] <roycroft> i.e. i can calculate the gearing, but i can't physically set it up
[13:05:43] <gregcnc> I still don't have a metric gear set for the clausing
[13:05:51] <roycroft> you only need one gear for that
[13:05:54] <roycroft> 127 tooth
[13:06:19] <gregcnc> plus a banjo and other gears to make the pitches you actually need
[13:06:29] <roycroft> you can make a banjo
[13:06:49] <roycroft> i don't know about the other gears
[13:06:55] <roycroft> this is a gearbox clausing?
[13:07:07] <gregcnc> has threading gearbox
[13:07:21] <roycroft> ok, so it's probably not as flexible as a change gear machine
[13:07:27] <roycroft> so yeah, more gears
[13:08:24] <gregcnc> I had a craftsman atlas change gear type that had enough gears to do near metric
[13:10:13] <djdelorie> roycroft: a 127-tooth gear doesn't even fit in my SB
[13:10:50] <gregcnc> https://milwaukee.craigslist.org/atq/5900831325.html
[13:11:54] <andypugh> I am reading the Daniels watchmaking book at the moment. I could _so_ go for that bench
[13:13:02] <andypugh> I think that’s a preffy decent price.
[13:13:47] <roycroft> that's a pretty nice bench
[13:16:03] <roycroft> so my other concern about these smaller, entry level lathes is that none of them have power cross feed
[13:16:28] <roycroft> when i was taking machining classes my instructors never used power cross feed and never recommended using it
[13:16:37] <roycroft> but i found i got better finishes when i did
[13:17:05] <roycroft> i think that i could develop the skill to get just as nice a finish manually
[13:17:21] <roycroft> so in my mind it's not at all a critical feature
[13:17:34] <roycroft> in a production shop, perhaps
[13:21:02] <IchGucksLive> roycroft: you will make it a better then yopu dream
[13:21:17] <IchGucksLive> the lath
[13:21:21] <IchGucksLive> e
[13:22:50] <pythonirc101> can someone recommend me a good 30" x 30" CNC Frame? or a similar size?
[13:23:47] <NGoossens> tallking about watchmaking, the National Watch and Clock Museum in Lancaster, PA is definitely worth a visit.
[13:25:28] <roycroft> the precision matthews 10x22 has power cross-feed
[13:25:29] <NGoossens> concerning a 30x30" frame, what are you going to use it for? Maybe 80/20 aluminum extrusion would be fine for a router
[13:25:46] <roycroft> but it's $700 more than the analagous grizzly
[13:26:21] <roycroft> it has a vfd built in though, and claims to go down to 50rpm
[13:26:29] <roycroft> i could live with that :)
[13:32:04] <IchGucksLive> ok im OPFF Gn8 its late in Germany
[13:32:14] <IchGucksLive> pythonirc101: Gn8
[13:39:00] <Cromaglious_> pythonirc101, wouldn't a 36x36 be better? and probably easier to find
[13:50:40] <JT-Shop> I think for christmas I'll get the clean out the CHNC coolant tank for new years the VMC coolant tank
[14:49:27] <ve7it> Jymmm, you around?
[14:50:59] <pcw_mesa> Anyway, yes a sserial remote on a STM "Discovery" dev board + RS-422 would be something we would pay for
[14:51:38] <pcw_mesa> oops wrong channel
[14:52:09] <pythonirc101> Cromaglious_: is there a kit someone sells that i could buy for 30" x 30" or around that size?
[14:52:20] <pythonirc101> Preferably 80/20 type stuff
[15:45:31] <roycroft> any thoughts on this lathe, folks?
[15:45:34] <roycroft> http://medford.craigslist.org/tls/5885816840.html
[15:46:01] <roycroft> it's bigger than i easily have room for right now, but i need to make room for a lathe that size eventually anyway
[15:46:11] <roycroft> and it's slightly over my budget, but i could stretch
[15:47:12] <kyle____> looks like a nice old beast
[15:47:22] <roycroft> i have a sheldon horizontal mill
[15:47:25] <roycroft> it's a nice little mill
[15:47:37] <roycroft> and i know there's a good size sheldon lathe fan club
[15:48:00] <roycroft> it's 2 1/2 hours away, which isn't bad
[15:48:10] <roycroft> but i have to go over three (low) mountain passes to get there
[15:48:16] <roycroft> and it's that time of year
[15:48:26] <roycroft> on the other hand, i would have good ballast for my return trip
[15:49:21] <roycroft> that lathe would be a project
[15:49:27] <roycroft> but it also might work fine as is for now
[15:49:37] <roycroft> i could catch up on my other projects, and then do a refurbishment
[15:50:12] <kyle____> lol, yeah, could weigh down the back of the truck nicely
[15:50:36] <kyle____> the description suggests it works fine now, and it looks like it's worth saving
[15:51:27] <roycroft> i'd estimate it weighs about 3/4 to 1 ton
[15:51:45] <roycroft> and i have a 1/2 ton pickup
[15:51:48] <roycroft> so that would be perfect
[15:53:33] <roycroft> my van is 3/4 ton, but i'm not sure it would make the trip
[15:53:39] <roycroft> plus, it's hard to lift things in and out of a van
[15:54:30] <roycroft> and i could cnc it eventually, and post pics to the sheldon groups so i can piss off all the sheldon acolytes
[16:05:42] <Deejay> gn8
[17:36:19] <Tom_L> JT-Shop, is there a difference in the deb you linked me to and this one as far as where the source comes from? http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/
[17:36:46] <Tom_L> yours says 2.7-rtai and this one is 2.-rt
[17:36:57] <Tom_L> 2.7*
[17:44:55] <JT-Shop> which deb?
[17:45:52] <JT-Shop> buildbot will be debian
[18:07:06] <Tom_L> JT-Shop, i used it and it updated ok though
[18:07:12] <Tom_L> is that the wrong dist?
[18:08:06] <Tom_L> the description said lucid
[19:03:36] <zeeshan> man
[19:03:46] <zeeshan> is there a kurt equivalent orange vise
[19:06:56] <gregcnc> you don't like orange prices?
[19:24:25] <Jymmm> gregcnc: or lime prices either!
[19:24:55] <gregcnc> i don't need limes for whiskey
[19:25:13] <BeachBumPete> I like my Kurt
[19:26:51] <gregcnc> Kurt are good. A lot of people like the idea of the pallets on the Orange
[19:27:46] <BeachBumPete> I have never used an orange vise in any of the shops I worked in. I understand they are of similar quality
[19:28:26] <gregcnc> Orange are relatively new, only since 2012
[19:29:00] <BeachBumPete> yes I understand that
[19:29:22] <tiwake> linky
[19:29:40] <gregcnc> www.orangevise.com
[19:30:02] <tiwake> ah
[19:30:45] <tiwake> how much for a 6" vice?
[19:31:19] <tiwake> says list price is $1,400
[19:31:32] <BeachBumPete> I'm kinda pissed with my kurt vise tho ;)
[19:31:40] <tiwake> thats a really sexy vice
[19:31:43] <tiwake> BeachBumPete: why?
[19:31:53] <BeachBumPete> I had it oiled up before we made this big move
[19:32:00] <BeachBumPete> it sat in a box in storage
[19:32:03] <BeachBumPete> for months
[19:32:19] <BeachBumPete> and unfortunately it got a couple spots of rust on the top
[19:32:33] <BeachBumPete> I have been rubbing oil into it daily and most of it has come off
[19:32:36] <tiwake> rust on steel? oh no
[19:32:43] <gregcnc> shit rusts in my basement for no good reason
[19:32:53] <BeachBumPete> but there are two spots that do not seem to be coming off readily
[19:33:57] <BeachBumPete> luckily one is on top of the movable jaw which is not all that important and the other is on the bed near the end of the screw which sucks... but it does not appear to be too bad
[19:35:09] <gregcnc> most of my parallels and block that took a swim this summer have rust spots
[19:35:36] <tiwake> BeachBumPete: http://s281.photobucket.com/user/scootermcrad2/media/Bridgeport%20Mill/DSC03488.jpg.html
[19:35:53] <tiwake> if the vise does not look like that, you are not using it enough
[19:36:52] <BeachBumPete> jeez
[19:37:13] <tiwake> the vise at my work is soo beat up
[19:37:20] <BeachBumPete> my kurt is just like two years old now and I take pride in keeping it nice and shiny but now its blemished and I am pissed...
[19:37:32] <tiwake> lol
[19:37:33] <gregcnc> I crashed an endmill into a vise yesterday because stupid
[19:37:44] <tiwake> gregcnc: thats pretty stupid...
[19:38:24] <gregcnc> 80$ vise but still
[19:38:33] <BeachBumPete> LOL I once accidentally lowered a big facemill into the side of a kurt hard jaw in one of the shops I worked in. Took a quarter inch chunk out of it before the idiot on the MPG wheel realized he turned it the wrong way and raised the head LOL
[19:39:08] <tiwake> you did that or the other guy did it?
[19:39:19] <tiwake> or rather, you were the idiot described
[19:40:06] <BeachBumPete> No I was the idiot... only good thing is it was just the jaw which can be replaced easily...
[19:40:34] <BeachBumPete> actually they had several of them in the shop from all the kurt vises they had bought over the years and most of the vises had custom soft jaws in use all the time.
[19:41:36] <tiwake> hard jaws are kinda expensive... if you didnt notice
[19:41:38] <BeachBumPete> I was pretty surprised at how easily the facemill chewed that hard jaw tho LOL
[19:45:50] <zeeshan> gregcnc: no
[19:45:53] <zeeshan> i don't want to see biased
[19:45:57] <zeeshan> but the orange vise is so much better
[19:46:03] <zeeshan> that i cant find an equivalent vise in kurt
[19:46:06] <zeeshan> kurt doesnt even come close
[19:46:12] <zeeshan> im trying to make a comparison for work
[19:46:27] <zeeshan> *seem
[19:48:11] <zeeshan> https://www.kurtworkholding.com/manual-doublelock-vise-p-1110.html
[19:48:15] <zeeshan> this is the closest ive found in kurt
[19:48:24] <zeeshan> it doesnt even have indexable vise jaws
[19:49:04] <zeeshan> the outer jaw blocks arent detachable
[19:49:04] <zeeshan> etc
[19:50:48] <gregcnc> of course they are
[19:51:07] <zeeshan> link
[19:51:28] <zeeshan> nm
[19:51:28] <zeeshan> found
[19:51:32] <zeeshan> okay the jaws are removable
[19:51:39] <zeeshan> jaw carriers i mean
[19:53:04] <malcom2073> I've always wondered why you don't see more indexable vise jaws
[19:53:29] <gregcnc> https://www.kurtworkholding.com/manual-vise-base-assembly-p-1020.html
[19:57:08] <zeeshan> do they have a zero point coupler
[19:57:12] <zeeshan> and carve smart option?
[19:57:27] <gregcnc> you think that comes free?
[19:58:01] <zeeshan> no
[19:58:04] <zeeshan> hence option
[19:59:10] <gregcnc> there is a new vise https://www.bycetool.com/
[20:02:06] <andypugh> gregcnc: I have one of those 8” doublelocks. Free to a good home but: It has no jaw blocks.
[20:02:09] <gregcnc> Orange has a good set of features, why people cough up the cash
[20:04:25] <gregcnc> 8" double vise is huge for me. right now i wish someone made 2" doubles for the little emco
[20:04:30] <andypugh> Also: It’s rusty. (but not terminally)
[20:05:05] <gregcnc> i have a PT400
[20:08:08] <andypugh> I really could do with finding something to do with my Kurt vice. Maybe sell the handle and scrap the rest.
[20:09:25] <MacGalempsy> buenas noches
[20:09:51] <BeachBumPete> buenos nacho's
[20:09:56] <gregcnc> put it on Ebay, people buy anything
[20:10:15] <zeeshan> gregcnc: pros and cons of orange vs that kurt you posted?
[20:10:18] <andypugh> Aye, guess where I got it from :-)
[20:10:33] <gregcnc> no idea, If I had the cash for either id buy the orange
[20:10:34] <andypugh> Didn’t realise that the jaw blocks are expensive. (very)
[20:10:45] <zeeshan> why
[20:11:40] <MacGalempsy> precision ground fit?
[20:12:17] <MacGalempsy> capitalism?
[20:14:11] <gregcnc> pallets mainly, but that's only useful if you do small or fixtured parts
[20:15:43] <MacGalempsy> going to give the 4th axis an at-tune PID to see if it will make a fit
[20:15:50] <zeeshan> we operate as a job shop
[20:15:57] <zeeshan> so i think keeping it as flexible is important
[20:16:03] <zeeshan> with quick change overs
[20:18:39] <gregcnc> no one answer for workholding
[20:19:00] <zeeshan> well thats kind of true
[20:19:02] <zeeshan> i know what we make :P
[20:19:51] <gregcnc> sure, but people doing the same work would make different choices for different reasons
[20:20:40] <zeeshan> that is true
[20:20:49] <zeeshan> but there will always be the fastest way
[20:20:53] <zeeshan> and the slowest way :P
[20:21:11] <gregcnc> if cost isn't a factor
[20:21:18] <zeeshan> cost is always a factor
[20:21:19] <zeeshan> its a business
[20:21:20] <zeeshan> :P
[20:21:21] <gregcnc> and piece count
[20:21:35] <gregcnc> then the fast may not be the most cost effective
[20:21:41] <zeeshan> ?!?!
[20:21:57] <gregcnc> if fast mattered you have a 20KPRM spindle
[20:22:06] <zeeshan> talking too much hypothetical
[20:22:07] <zeeshan> we do
[20:22:25] <gregcnc> I thought we meant you and the dog
[20:22:30] <gregcnc> you mena work we
[20:22:38] <zeeshan> my business is I
[20:22:41] <zeeshan> work is we :P
[20:22:56] <zeeshan> one day i'll buy orange vises
[20:23:05] <zeeshan> but i got other shit to buy :P
[20:23:12] <zeeshan> work needs vises right away for the new machines
[20:23:19] <zeeshan> i gotta order like 10 vises
[20:23:28] <gregcnc> how much are they paying for consulting?
[20:23:32] <zeeshan> ?!?!
[20:23:34] <zeeshan> i work there!
[20:23:41] <gregcnc> I don;t
[20:23:50] <zeeshan> i already really have my mind up
[20:23:58] <zeeshan> i'm just trying to make sure i don't regret it
[20:24:06] <gregcnc> you mean we
[20:24:20] <Wolf_> they
[20:24:23] <zeeshan> us
[20:24:24] <zeeshan> them
[20:24:25] <zeeshan> aliens
[20:25:18] <Wolf_> “we need $$$$ for fixture” “ok we buy $ vices”
[20:27:15] <sync> zeeshan: pls. don't get that cheap orange stuff.
[20:27:47] <sync> allmatic or spreitzer.
[20:28:09] <zeeshan> hmm they offer volume discount
[20:28:16] <zeeshan> hopefully its not 1%!
[20:29:22] <gregcnc> allmatic is made by who?
[20:29:27] <zeeshan> sync: nope!
[20:30:12] <sync> why not?
[20:30:55] <zeeshan> cause orange is good enough
[20:30:59] <zeeshan> and decently priced
[20:31:01] <sync> gregcnc: allmatic
[20:31:04] <Dissent> I made some progress by using shims
[20:31:58] <sync> idk, I like my fribosa vises, 1µ height difference out of the box
[20:32:56] <gregcnc> so many euro vises look the same
[20:34:09] <sync> all the hydro vises, yeah
[20:34:19] <BeachBumPete> WOW 1400 bucks for a 6" single station vise...they better be damn good
[20:35:54] <sync> that's not too bad tho
[20:37:17] <sync> the clamping force is a joke tho
[20:38:51] <gregcnc> what do you mean?
[20:41:33] <sync> well it is about 2/3 of what a similar size hydraulic vise will do
[20:41:42] <sync> although usually it does not matter
[20:45:07] <zeeshan> orange vises website is outdated
[20:45:25] <zeeshan> fyi use their catalog
[20:45:29] <zeeshan> it is the latest
[20:45:55] <zeeshan> i mean their video is outdated
[20:48:19] <gregcnc> seen Chick aluminum vises? http://www.chick-workholding.com/4dcgi/WebTemplate?PATH=1000003&&WTMP=4&&PDID=13&&PSIZ=135&&_RND=29377_
[20:53:02] <AndChat305025> Wicked expensive
[20:54:19] <zeeshan> yes
[20:54:23] <zeeshan> very bulky
[20:54:56] <zeeshan> basically i think ive figured it out.......
[20:55:04] <zeeshan> the orange vises come with the carvesmart ijs system standard
[20:55:17] <zeeshan> the ball coupling threaded nut/hole is already there
[20:55:26] <zeeshan> you basically buy a ball coupler for your tooling plate
[20:55:36] <zeeshan> and buy whatever carvesmart jaws you want
[20:56:17] <zeeshan> using kurt's double station and then buying the carvesmart masterjaws for will end up costing about the same
[20:56:25] <zeeshan> for it
[20:58:08] <gregcnc> kurt has dovelock, don't they offer them with any vises?
[20:59:06] <zeeshan> its an addon
[20:59:50] <zeeshan> no ball coupling feature either
[21:00:02] <zeeshan> just indexable jaws and base vise
[21:00:36] <zeeshan> hdl6j + kit
[21:00:40] <zeeshan> is around 2400$
[21:01:28] <zeeshan> i really like the fact that the carvesmart ijs is integrated into the main jaw
[21:01:31] <zeeshan> rather than being an addon
[21:05:56] <skunkworks> https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mach1mach2cnc/conversations/messages/151914
[21:06:45] <malcom2073> Yeah, totally not mach3/4 to blame that it can't do what linuxcnc can do on the same hardware. Totally :-P
[21:09:21] <skunkworks> ' there are of course exceptions in special operating systems, but those have their own limitations'
[21:10:36] <dioz> you shmucks ever used vulcan?
[21:49:54] <AndChat305025> Vulcan the graphics API?
[21:50:09] <dioz> AndChat305025: for lockformer plasma cutters
[21:50:52] <AndChat305025> That was a fast reply! Must be a bot, huh?
[22:21:43] <dioz> AndChat305025: naw
[22:21:43] <dioz> not a bot
[22:21:47] <dioz> i'm a real life boy!
[22:21:51] <dioz> not a donkey or anything
[22:22:55] <AndChat305025> So Vulcan for lockformer pkasma cutyers, can't say that I've heard of it
[22:23:28] <AndChat305025> and my name isn't Shrek
[22:24:05] <dioz> AndChat305025: it's software for sheet metal cnc
[22:24:47] <AndChat305025> Thanks for the info, I'll do some research
[22:47:05] <Cromaglious_> ARGH*@^#@^#)@(* damn GMOCCAPY
[22:48:31] <skunkworks> What?
[22:48:46] <Cromaglious_> trying to get a working gmoccapy working ini file
[22:49:59] <skunkworks> hmm. sorry. never used it. what error are you getting