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[01:20:01] <rue_house> what ahppens if I took a 3Ghz processor and put it in an instruction loop to toggle the parallel port pins? would it get waited down to 66/33Mhz?
[01:21:08] <rue_house> if so, I wonder if it would be on write or rewrite
[01:23:29] <archivist> the port is on the IO bus so possibly a lot slower, 1 meg
[01:24:16] <rue_house> the isa should run at 33/66Mhz
[01:24:36] <rue_house> not there is much isa left, but a little bus in a chip on the board
[01:25:15] <rue_house> but, wait states on the processor? or writes just get missed cause they are so much faster than the processor
[01:25:17] <archivist> dont confuse IO ports with the isa bus
[01:25:42] <rue_house> there is a 74373 in the middle, yea
[01:25:51] <rue_house> if not a virtual one built into a chip
[01:26:30] <rue_house> (ignoring address and r/w decoder)
[01:27:30] <miss0r> archivist: A friend of mine went by a few days ago handing me an indexable endmill. an AMS1020HS-4 with 3 full boxes of inserts for it :) Can't wait to see what surface this one can manage :)
[01:28:05] <rue_house> mmm I was going to find parts for a grinder for my lathe today...
[01:28:30] <rue_house> 3d print a dremel holder? hmm...
[01:28:47] <miss0r> rue_house: I would be carefull printing such a holder :)
[01:28:54] <archivist> dremel is not really good enough
[01:29:13] <miss0r> and dremel is.... what archivist said :)
[01:29:25] <rue_house> well, there is no force on a surface grinder
[01:29:43] <rue_house> as long as its not vibrating
[01:29:53] <miss0r> and yet there is. The bearing in the dremmel is rigid enough
[01:29:54] <archivist> there is force, and been there done that
http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=ruston+pd
[01:30:50] <rue_house> hmm, C strap...
[01:31:13] <archivist> you get flex in the dremel and mount
[01:31:23] <miss0r> do NOT image google c strap. cannot be unseen !
[01:31:48] <rue_house> hahahah
[01:32:37] <rue_house> http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/projects/lathe/p1050855.jpg
[01:32:49] <rue_house> good to know we all have fun with the toolpost lock
[01:33:12] <XXCoder> nothing ever can ever beat goatse.cx
[01:33:29] <rue_house> tell me thats been gone for like 15 years now
[01:33:47] <rue_house> just the rumors are bad enough
[01:33:58] <XXCoder> but it shall be forever remembered by goatse.cx vets
[01:33:59] <miss0r> XXCoder: I have a few contenders.... "one guy one jar", lemonparty, and meatspin.com? don't.
[01:34:21] <archivist> you lot forgot tubgirl
[01:34:36] <rue_house> diesel loco?
[01:34:37] <XXCoder> never saw those
[01:34:48] <XXCoder> so i neevr forgot as I never experenced it :P
[01:34:50] <miss0r> XXCoder: oh, they're a treat, go search for them
[01:34:52] <rue_house> with a connector rod?
[01:35:22] <XXCoder> nah some stuff I remember forever
[01:35:38] <archivist> rue_house, was for a stationary engine not loco
[01:35:46] <rue_house> bah, i'm just a sucker for 0-4-0
[01:35:49] <miss0r> rue_house: If you are going to do ID grinding on your lathe, you need something alot more rigid than a dremmel. Sure you 'could' grind with a dremmel, on the lathe, but your surface finish will be acordingly
[01:36:10] <miss0r> XXCoder: wuss ;P
[01:36:13] <rue_house> I need to make a collect for my obsolete milling machine
[01:36:17] <rue_house> 7/16
[01:36:19] <archivist> you get resonance with the dremel
[01:36:28] <XXCoder> miss0r: yeah. dont want useless memories I will never forget
[01:36:30] <miss0r> and alot of it
[01:36:34] <rue_house> I was gonna just turn it and file nicely
[01:37:01] <miss0r> rue_house: if you are going to make a milling collect it is highly reccomendable to grind it, althou not with a dremmel
[01:37:02] <archivist> wet and dry to polish
[01:37:25] <miss0r> XXCoder: have you moved forward with you mill?
[01:37:38] <XXCoder> not yet, my budget is still messed up
[01:37:39] <rue_house> I misplaced a micrometer, trying to find it this weekend, I put it somewhere safe so nobody would use it as a wrench
[01:37:45] <XXCoder> recovering though. need 2 more weeks
[01:37:52] <XXCoder> gonna love weekly paychecjks
[01:38:11] <miss0r> XXCoder: I guess, i'm payed every two weeks
[01:38:21] <XXCoder> rue jeez it would suck as wrench, who would use it like that
[01:38:29] <XXCoder> $150 wrench of its quality one
[01:38:34] <rue_house> I get visitors
[01:38:42] <rue_house> its old,
[01:38:43] <miss0r> o_O
[01:38:46] <rue_house> aka, worth lots
[01:39:11] <rue_house> its bothering me cause I dont know where its safe place is
[01:39:34] <rue_house> I was trying to find out of the chinese ball bearings I got are really 3.96mm or not
[01:39:39] <miss0r> a few weeks back I recieved a wooden box with micrometer screws in it (0-150mm, set of 6). I show it to her, proud of the nice quality. She just looks at me and says: Don't you already have vices?
[01:39:42] <rue_house> "4mm" bearings
[01:39:49] <XXCoder> got a mic?
[01:39:55] <XXCoder> unless someone use it as clamp?
[01:40:03] <XXCoder> (seen that once geez)
[01:40:13] <miss0r> what my wife thought they were
[01:40:16] <rue_house> just digital ones, which all say the bearing balls are ~3.96
[01:40:37] <miss0r> rue_house: Have you calibrated them rescently?
[01:40:46] <rue_house> a digital?
[01:40:52] <rue_house> a cheap digital?
[01:41:00] <miss0r> yes and maybe
[01:41:07] <rue_house> they seem pretty close on the 6mm and 8mm ground rods I have
[01:41:18] <XXCoder> my 2 manual (not digital) mics is both starret, 1950s and 1980s
[01:41:27] <miss0r> Then I guess yer' balls are 3.96mm then :)
[01:41:37] <XXCoder> and digital one os mitoyo, but I barely use that one, too huge
[01:41:42] <rue_house> yea, I thought I had small balls
[01:41:49] <rue_house> oh well
[01:41:50] <XXCoder> in least more than 2
[01:42:02] <rue_house> prolly gonna use them with 3d printed races anyhow
[01:42:59] <rue_house> spaking of 3d printers, suppose I'd best check the shops not on fire
[01:43:28] <miss0r> XXCoder: I get that you are trying to get the money for something. But have you made up your mind what you are going to do?
[01:44:01] <XXCoder> more or less. just grab chinese spindle 52mm
[01:44:04] <XXCoder> PWM type
[01:44:20] <rue_house> anyone ever roughed out a dovetail on a table saw?
[01:44:23] <XXCoder> then find something that can find RPM, maybe HALL sensor or optical
[01:45:01] <rue_house> brushless motor, 1.5mm bit, 10k rpm?
[01:45:07] <rue_house> aluminum?
[01:45:23] <miss0r> hopefully more than 10k rpm`? :)
[01:45:34] <rue_house> at some point, even with the right feed rate, the thing has to start getting hot..
[01:45:59] <XXCoder> 2k to 12k rpm seem to be common. and there is NO AC 52mm spindles :(
[01:46:05] <rue_house> well, my maths says that a 4800kV motor, at 7.2V, is 34k rpm
[01:46:23] <XXCoder> can be 300w or 500w. im considering latter,.
[01:46:33] <rue_house> I was looking at 250w
[01:47:04] <rue_house> dunno, its like $50cad
[01:47:12] <rue_house> 3mm shaft
[01:47:30] <rue_house> have to adapt it up to 5mm to get a pulley to run the spindle
[01:47:48] <rue_house> dunno how long the timing belts last at those speeds
[01:47:52] <rue_house> must get them hot
[01:48:01] <miss0r> Hmm. XXCoder: I would realy get a 20k one or faster. :)
[01:48:11] <rue_house> a vac cleaner motor can do 20k
[01:48:18] <XXCoder> https://www.amazon.com/2-4Ghz-Headless-Quadcopter-Function-Camera/dp/B01FRWEO6Q/
[01:48:23] <rue_house> thinking of just doing that
[01:48:32] <XXCoder> weird accesory - iron steel helicoper
[01:48:39] <miss0r> rue_house: His design does not have a primary spindle axle, that some motor will be driving. He is buying a complete spindle
[01:49:36] <XXCoder> something like this
http://www.ebay.com/itm/CNC-400W-Brushless-Spindle-Motor-ER11-driver-speed-controller-Mount-engraving-/261991164249
[01:49:56] <rue_house> ouch that is so far over my budget
[01:51:08] <rue_house> what an adorable little chuck on their A axis
[01:51:48] <rue_house> its only 12k
[01:52:01] <rue_house> and, at those speeds, do you need even 250w?
[01:52:10] <rue_house> I can see if your using larger bits...
[01:52:19] <miss0r> XXCoder: I can't help but think you are going to wanna upgrade this a few minuts after you start using it
[01:53:33] <rue_house> aaaaah its a cheap one!
[01:53:47] <rue_house> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/2435-4800KV-4P-Sensorless-Brushless-Motor-with-25A-Brushless-ESC-Electric-Speed-Controller-for-1-16/32692755898.html
[01:54:56] <rue_house> I think thats only a 250W motor, but I think they screwed up the price
[01:55:26] <rue_house> oh 2mm shaft, its amller
[01:55:32] <XXCoder> its tiny
[01:55:39] <XXCoder> 24mm diameter
[01:55:54] <rue_house> yea
[01:56:01] <rue_house> the others I was looking at were larger
[01:56:10] <rue_house> explains the price diff
[01:56:13] <miss0r> XXCoder: Well, either you buy a complete spindle, as the one you are looking at - or you build your own, with a high power rc car motor or some such
[01:56:30] <archivist> http://www.dieselrc.com/projects/cncspindle/
[01:56:41] <miss0r> I think you oculd get pretty descent result doing that
[01:58:11] <miss0r> archivist: Now that is nice looking
[01:58:19] <XXCoder> indeed
[01:59:31] <miss0r> I don't like the way he plunge mills thou. Gives me a heartburn
[01:59:34] <rue_house> hey, its the concrete guy!
[02:00:59] <XXCoder> archivist: awesome article. too bd cant do that LOL
[02:01:08] <XXCoder> not much of enginner and builder
[02:01:58] <archivist> I keep that one in my bookmarks
[02:02:43] <rue_house> wow, that motor takes to it like a champ
[02:02:49] <miss0r> archivist: The new surface grinder weill be delievered today :D
[02:03:08] <archivist> here is another
http://www.raynerd.co.uk/brushless-dc-motor-cnc-high-speed-spindle/
[02:03:37] <XXCoder> most chinese are dc
[02:03:45] <XXCoder> though I guess not brushless
[02:04:36] <miss0r> archivist: eeek. The second one there does NOT sound balanced at all
[02:08:01] <archivist> needs to build
http://www.technologie-entwicklung.de/Gasturbines/Balancing_Tool/balancing_tool.html
[02:09:05] <miss0r> absolutly :) i've been looking into these balancing machines before. Never stumbled across that one thou. It looks realy nice
[02:09:30] <XXCoder> watt weight balance system?
[02:11:22] <miss0r> ?
[02:12:03] <XXCoder> hmm may have misremembered it
[02:12:21] <XXCoder> method to check weight without moving parts
[02:16:14] <archivist> balancing jig I saw in the flesh
http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=model+engineer+radford+balancing
[02:16:23] <rue_house> yea, yannknow, unless I make some money somehow with my machine, it can have a vac cleaner motor
[02:46:42] <IchGucksLive> moning from Germany
[02:47:29] <XXCoder> yo
[02:48:26] <IchGucksLive> moning deejay
[02:48:35] <Deejay> moin
[02:48:51] <IchGucksLive> Ich hab mein Rufzeichen vor 2Jahren zurückgegeben
[02:49:06] <IchGucksLive> fast 100euro waren mir zuviel
[02:51:22] <Deejay> hast auch post bekommen? :)
[02:51:30] <Deejay> bei mir kam die tage ne rechnung von der bnetza
[02:51:50] <Deejay> ich hab mein rufzeichen auch vor jahren zurückgegeben
[02:51:57] <Deejay> aber der nick ist noch da ;)
[02:52:04] <Deejay> so, and now: englisch please ;)
[02:52:37] <IchGucksLive> Have a bitbreking Day
[03:53:56] <miss0r> Why is it, that every time some marketing dude, sees people doing stupid stuff in the US, he has to take it home with him. CNN: "33 people stomped to death" Danish marketing dude: "Lets import Black Friday - it'll be a blast"
[03:54:34] <miss0r> Now we have black friday, halloween, valentines day... I'm sure theres more... I guess its only a matter of time before we adopt thanksgiving
[03:55:06] <miss0r> While i'm sure it all has its place, i'm just not sure it fits in a small country like Denmark.
[03:55:10] <miss0r> </rant>
[03:57:42] <gonzo_> you'd have to work out what we would be giving thanks for though. I've never had a clue (not being from the US)
[03:58:05] <XXCoder> its also thanks giving for what you have
[03:58:13] <XXCoder> which makes black friday crippling ironic.
[03:58:17] <miss0r> I guess we haven't killed that many indians lately
[03:58:35] <gonzo_> the black friday thing seems to be a damp squib here. Just an excuse for companies to email out some sales blurb.
[03:58:58] <XXCoder> "we are thanks for what we have.... now lets push grandmother down so I can get that last item on sale!!!!!"
[03:58:59] * gonzo_ googles thanksgiving
[03:59:15] <miss0r> yeah. i've looked at some of the offers, theres nothing much to it here either. Just a new brand sales people can shout from the roof tops
[03:59:38] <XXCoder> black friday used to be big deal
[03:59:41] <XXCoder> now its bullshit
[03:59:56] <miss0r> why is it 'black' ?
[04:00:12] <XXCoder> when I used to shop at walmart, I caught them marking up $100 item to $120 then put it on sale to $75
[04:00:22] <miss0r> The Friday part I can deduct the meaning of :)
[04:00:41] <XXCoder> miss0r: its when fanaical budget goes black, aka profit
[04:00:46] <XXCoder> thats what i heard anyway
[04:01:20] <gonzo_> I lost the will to live after the first paragraph. So let's call it " harvest festival"
[04:01:21] <XXCoder> https://www.thebalance.com/why-is-it-called-black-friday-3305712
[04:01:23] <miss0r> I guess that makes sense... I would rather be shopping on Red Friday then. Make the stores bottom line turn red - now thats where the profit is for the shopper :)
[04:01:32] <XXCoder> lol
[04:02:14] <gonzo_> if you want to get the store sale price, just shop online at any time.
[04:02:22] <XXCoder> anyway black friday now starts monday and ends few days after actual friday
[04:02:30] <XXCoder> gonzo_: cyber monday
[04:02:48] <miss0r> lol
[04:02:55] <gonzo_> or even prder the item online to collect in stote
[04:03:09] <miss0r> now that is just stupid
[04:04:23] <XXCoder> in least its not cybersex monday :P
[04:04:26] <miss0r> Another 90minuts, and my new surface grinder should arraive :O I can't wait
[04:04:45] <gonzo_> I've been to a store and been told, 'no sir, that is the online price'. And stood there and ordered it online on my phone, then they have gone to get the item for me.
[04:04:55] <XXCoder> lol
[04:05:06] <XXCoder> now that is instant pickup.
[04:05:07] <miss0r> XXCoder: Free passes for all the internet porn sites. All you have to do is enter your creditcard number, for them to verify your age :)
[04:05:30] <XXCoder> lol
[04:05:32] <gonzo_> or one occasion, brought the item at the store price and asked them to do a 'price match' for their own online price and got a refund+
[04:05:46] <miss0r> lol
[04:10:04] <miss0r> One thing I wish we'd start importing from the US are 24hour diners.
[04:10:27] <miss0r> The southers ones. I do enhoy visiting thoes, while i'm in the states
[04:10:33] <miss0r> enjoy*
[04:13:54] <XXCoder> import one then
[04:13:56] <XXCoder> make your own
[04:15:57] <miss0r> my brother and I both brought our wives along on a holyday to lousiana some years ago. We decided on a strict bacon cheese burger diet. Morning, lunch, dinner, for 4 days. Even the hotel we stayed at, with a continental breakfast buffet, played along, and made us our requested burgers for breakfast :) We were there for 10 days, but decided after just 4, that we'd have to start eat something else(I write that we
[04:15:57] <miss0r> decided that, but a good deal of the decision was made by our wives)
[04:16:41] <miss0r> In conclution: next time we wont bring the wives :)
[04:16:49] <XXCoder> wow thats about the worse state in usa
[04:17:03] <XXCoder> asl sign for that state is based on "shitting" sign
[04:17:24] <miss0r> :] I like louisiana
[04:17:41] <miss0r> We also toured texas some.
[04:17:55] <XXCoder> state where everything but privates is big
[04:18:14] <miss0r> thoes two states are what america is about in my mind. We went to new york as well, but that place is just too european looking for my taste :)
[04:18:57] <miss0r> We are planning a 3rd trip.. err. We are talking about planning it. Where should we go then, in your opinion XXCoder?
[04:19:27] <XXCoder> western washington is quite beautful
[04:19:55] <XXCoder> New york if you wanna see very big city, though never personally went there
[04:20:25] <miss0r> I went to new york. its just like visiting any bigger european city. I can do that without getting into a plane
[04:20:35] <XXCoder> just don't visit Tacoma, the oldest city in washington state. lol count your fingers if you do :P
[04:20:46] <miss0r> lol
[04:20:53] <XXCoder> we are #1 crime city in washington state :P
[04:21:25] <XXCoder> I'd suggest severial locations on history but really oldest thing herew is probably 1/4 as old as your place :P
[04:21:40] <miss0r> I'm very much a food tourist. its not like the american diet ranks too high on the worlds "cuisine lists"... but i'm into burgers, and not french frogs legs
[04:21:51] <XXCoder> friend of mine lives in 600 years old house, which is 2.5 times usa age roughly
[04:22:06] <XXCoder> ever ate at in-n-out>?
[04:22:18] <XXCoder> one of best junk food burgers
[04:22:55] <miss0r> I can't say that I have. i've visited the larger ones, like wendys, hooters, jack in the box ect
[04:23:11] <XXCoder> if you go to oregon theres lots beautful places to see, and if you visit (count your fingers!) portland, there is truly awesome place rice junkie. not burgers but really yummy food
[04:23:33] <XXCoder> powell's is second largest book store in usa
[04:23:37] <XXCoder> portland
[04:24:20] <XXCoder> or maybe you woild like to see little crack in usa called grand canayon
[04:24:33] <miss0r> Yeah, we talked about that :)
[04:24:40] <XXCoder> its only supervoloino in world. if it blows we all die
[04:25:02] <miss0r> same goes for yellow stone park, which they speak about being overdue :)
[04:26:02] <XXCoder> actually youre right it is yellowstone park
[04:26:18] <XXCoder> well still great idea to visit grand canyon!
[04:26:40] <miss0r> The thing is: my brother an I are on the same page, what with the food tourism. We just have to plan a trip that takes us by the best food places, while making it look like its all about the scenery, for our better halfs
[04:27:08] <XXCoder> you really should eat at in-n-out and also rice junkie
[04:27:27] <archivist> nah...dunkin donuts
[04:27:30] <XXCoder> I think the vaguely dirty name place closed down for food. fudduckers something
[04:27:54] <XXCoder> nope
http://www.fuddruckers.com/menu
[04:28:05] <XXCoder> I havent ate there for years now :(
[04:28:06] <miss0r> that in-n-out place vaugely looks like macdonalds :)
[04:28:53] <miss0r> it is a true wonder I stay in shape with my food preference
[04:29:32] <XXCoder> it is similiar. much tasier though
[04:29:50] <XXCoder> they grow their own pototoes and sell off "wrong sizes" to retail
[04:30:00] <miss0r> around here we have burger kind, macdonalds and KFC. I like'em all, but none of them are near me
[04:30:13] <miss0r> lol
[04:30:32] <XXCoder> thats why they cant really grow anymore
[04:30:38] <miss0r> Speaking of food. I'll order A pizza now, before I start do dig into the chip tray under the lathe
[04:30:53] <XXCoder> they are out of region they can grow their own prefered pototos
[04:32:54] <miss0r> then they are pretty serious about their potatoes :)
[04:33:32] <XXCoder> yeah not too sure if they have cows and such too though. i only know of pototoes
[04:34:38] <miss0r> One thing is for sure thou. If I lived in the US, i'd be a complete gun nut
[04:35:45] <XXCoder> not really
[04:35:57] <XXCoder> there may be 3 gun per person or more in usa
[04:36:08] <XXCoder> but only 1 in 10 owns a gun or more than one gun
[04:36:23] <XXCoder> very vocal minority
[04:36:27] <miss0r> True. i'd probally not be a gun nut compared to you :)
[04:36:47] <miss0r> But I would have to live in texas, so I could own a 50cal anti material rifle
[04:37:07] <miss0r> I don't know why. but you know.. "Home defence".
[04:37:18] <XXCoder> I own zero guns
[04:37:39] <XXCoder> and are very uninterested in owning one.
[04:37:41] <miss0r> you was more aimed at 'americans'
[04:38:00] <XXCoder> like I said only 1 out of 10 americans owns a gun
[04:38:19] <miss0r> How come? wouldn't you want to be able to defend your self during a home invasion?
[04:38:37] * miss0r is afraid he is about to light a fire under a very heated discussion
[04:38:49] <XXCoder> statsics show much more likely someone who lives in house gets hurt by gun than by outsiders coming in
[04:39:46] <miss0r> sad statistics. I own 3 guns as it is. But not like you can own them in the US. I am a registered conpetition shooter. and the rules for how you can store them at home are pretty serious here
[04:40:55] <miss0r> AS I crossed the magic 2 guns line, MY gunsafe had to weigh a minimum of 1000pounds, and be bolted to the wall and ground. also, it is required that the ground should be concrete, and the wall be masontry or concrete. :)
[04:41:16] <XXCoder> decent safety,.
[04:41:39] <miss0r> also, the gun safe has to be placed somewhere you are on a daily basis. i.e. you cannot put it in a shed. it needs to be inside your house.
[04:42:51] <miss0r> I have paperwork that allows me to take my guns from my safe to the local fiering range. if I do competition in another location I have to file paperwork with the local police department of where I am going, plus paperwork in my own police department.
[04:43:25] <miss0r> When I transport the guns, they must not be in shooting condition. i.e. the bolt must be removed. and the bullits have to be stored in a locked container, which you cannot reach from the drivers seat.
[04:43:32] <miss0r> And the rules go on and on :)
[04:45:31] <miss0r> Not that I would want to sleep with a glock under my pillow anyway :)
[04:45:48] <DaViruz> even more strict then swedish laws
[04:45:53] <IchGucksLive> rainy day
[04:46:08] <miss0r> DaViruz: The surface grinder wil arraive here any moment now ;)
[04:46:21] <IchGucksLive> miss0r: stay strong it will change in Fevruar keep going
[04:46:26] <miss0r> DaViruz: That is one thing with the gun law. The laws for cars are alot more fun in sweeden anyway
[04:46:59] <IchGucksLive> miss0r: not a good idee to break the new bit within the arriving hour
[04:47:03] <miss0r> IchGucksLive: Why is that?
[04:47:17] <IchGucksLive> Trump
[04:47:28] <DaViruz> i dont mind our fairlystrict gun laws, but i do mind that the seem to center around legal guns being used for crimes, which is extremely rare
[04:47:43] <miss0r> yeah. I guess tickets TO the us are cheap at the moment :) its the return ticket that is overprised :D
[04:47:50] <DaViruz> miss0r: cool
[04:48:10] <DaViruz> have you found a spot for it? :)
[04:48:46] <IchGucksLive> till later ;-)
[04:50:18] <DaViruz> also, does anyone have experience with the cheap tool height setters like thos one?
http://m.ebay.com/itm/232126252752?_mwBanner=1
[04:50:48] <DaViruz> i'm not sure i trust the 5um figure
[04:50:53] <XXCoder> .005mm+- dunno
[04:51:11] <DaViruz> but i would be perfectly flne with .02mm
[04:51:19] <miss0r> DaViruz: Yeah.. well, somewhat :) i'll have to remove my drillpress, and place it behind the lathe :) Then the surface grinder can stand where the drillspress was, only the traverse table on the grinder, will have to be able to move over the worktable :)
[04:51:57] <miss0r> DaViruz: I just bought one like that one. I have very good experience with it. I stayed within 0.002 using it
[04:51:59] <miss0r> mm
[04:52:08] <DaViruz> oh
[04:52:32] <miss0r> I will get you the link for the seller I used, should there be more than one place they make them
[04:52:44] <DaViruz> buyers remorse liftkng quite a bot then :)
[04:53:03] <DaViruz> i've already ordered it :/
[04:53:21] <miss0r> http://www.ebay.com/itm/371740855800?_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
[04:53:23] <miss0r> oh :)
[04:53:26] <miss0r> Looks the same thou
[04:53:40] <XXCoder> fancy box
[04:53:59] * archivist demands more buyers remorse
[04:54:24] <miss0r> yeah, also nice little soft plastic cups, to cover each end of the, before putting it in the case
[04:54:50] <DaViruz> as always when i'm looking to buy something, thongs started to escalate
[04:55:07] <DaViruz> before i knew it i sas looking at a renishaw setter..
[04:55:11] <miss0r> :)
[04:55:16] <gonzo_> miss0r, sounds like you have it worse then even we do in the UK. Once you have jumped through the hoops to get a licence, we can get on and shoot at ranges or take vermin pretty freely. But similarly, stuff has to be kept locked away and sepatare storeage of bolts etc. s a way of preventing anyone other than the owner getting hold of them
[04:55:25] <XXCoder> thongs lol
[04:55:33] <miss0r> yeah, I read that aswell :)
[04:56:02] <gonzo_> is that the thong as a piece of underware, or footware?!
[04:56:18] <DaViruz> oops :P
[04:56:29] <DaViruz> stupid phone keyboards
[04:56:40] <miss0r> gonzo_: yeah. A few years back some on stole a rifle from a "national guard" soldier. That sorta' escalated the situation some :)
[04:57:04] <miss0r> completely blowing the storage/transportation rules out of proportions
[04:57:14] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tT5-m5gAU-Q
[04:57:16] <XXCoder> interesting
[04:57:30] <DaViruz> i dont thinn the box is in luded with this one though, at least it isnt depicted
[04:58:13] <gonzo_> Have to have a type approved safe (or equiv) and there is a police requirement that you have an alarm fitted at the 10gun level.
[04:58:34] <DaViruz> oh wait, yes it is
[04:58:54] <gonzo_> but we are pretty much limited to single shot rifles and shotguns here
[04:59:22] <XXCoder> I hear of few countries where you can buy any gun anytime, but bullets are heavily regulated
[04:59:41] <miss0r> gonzo_: We need to have alarms at 5 gun limit. But the alarm is ridiculous. it cost around $2000 and can only be installed by the local police dept., as it will call them direct :)
[04:59:54] <DaViruz> we can have 20 rifles, 10 handguns or 4 fully automatic weapons in a reasona le gun safe, more than that and you need a bunker
[05:00:19] <DaViruz> however it is extremely unlikely you will get that
[05:00:26] <DaViruz> manuy weapon licenses
[05:00:32] <gonzo_> they prefer that the alarm is monitored. But mine just sends me an SMS message and they are happy with that
[05:00:49] <miss0r> wow
[05:01:13] <gonzo_> how do they regulate ammo where people reload?
[05:01:16] <miss0r> Welcome to Denmark, No.1 police state :)
[05:01:33] <XXCoder> gon no idea
[05:01:34] <miss0r> they dont. Bullits are not regulated like that.
[05:01:58] <XXCoder> mis was talking about other countries besides yours and mine'
[05:02:00] <miss0r> well, they are. you can't buy bulits unless you are registerred to a gun with that particular caliber you want to buy
[05:02:19] <gonzo_> I've had discussions with the new guy doing my last inspection. Turns out he had not heard of people reloading and the idea shocked him (and upset him that it would complicate his paparework)
[05:02:21] <DaViruz> speaking of which, time to move my gun safe up three floors.. that'll be fun
[05:02:23] <miss0r> but other than that, there aren't that many rules
[05:04:20] <gonzo_> if we buy full rounds, they are registered on your licence and you have a limit on how many you can keep. But it's a reasonable limt (mine are 600 per cal). But reloading components are not regulated, other than the dealers will want to see a licenec, just to cover their own arses
[05:04:55] <gonzo_> interetsing that machineing and shooting go together quite often
[05:09:59] <XXCoder> machinists tend to be more conservate here
[05:11:49] <XXCoder> https://sites.google.com/site/arctischepinguin/home/sea-ice-extent-area/grf/nsidc_global_area_byyear_b.png
[05:11:59] <XXCoder> it'll be lovely winter and later summer
[05:24:39] <_methods> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUyqH-BE9lk&feature=youtu.be
[05:24:51] <_methods> irish people eating 'murrican thanksgiving food lol
[05:28:09] <gonzo_> I'll give thanks for anything, if we get an extra public days holiday!
[05:28:49] <_methods> man they didn't give them any gravy
[05:28:51] <_methods> wtf
[05:29:45] <_methods> can't have turkey without gravy
[05:34:22] <XXCoder> video sucks
[05:34:39] <XXCoder> changes so fast I dont really see reactions and sucjh
[05:35:36] <jthornton> morning
[05:35:45] <XXCoder> yo
[05:43:14] <miss0r> hehe. That video made me browse youtube a bit. I find myself watching peoples reaction to danish food :) quite amusing
[05:49:20] <Tom_L> hey
[05:50:55] <kasious> hi
[06:27:33] <DaViruz> i only know one danish food - beer!
[06:27:41] <DaViruz> oh and kartoffler
[06:28:32] <SpeedEvil> They do a lot of bacon
[06:31:07] <DaViruz> wow, this ebay seller actually packed my IC's relatively esd-proof
[06:32:08] <DaViruz> ..though he shipped 70ns chips instead of 12ns
[06:36:44] <SpeedEvil> does it matter?
[06:36:45] <miss0r> DaViruz: The surface grinder just got here. It is alot heavier than one would think :)
[06:36:55] <SpeedEvil> DaViruz: also - are you sure that's 12, not 120ns?
[06:37:02] <miss0r> I need to device a plan to get it up the ramp of the shop :)
[06:37:21] <SpeedEvil> miss0r: log rollers, and a gang of slaves?
[06:37:42] <miss0r> SpeedEvil: i'm fresh out'a slaves sadly
[06:38:29] <miss0r> I got it from the street to the shop door on a handtruck. But I am not strong enough to handle the ramp
[06:40:17] <SpeedEvil> This is one of the things I plan to do with my hoverboard wheels
[06:40:26] <SpeedEvil> hovertruck
[06:41:01] <archivist> miss0r, jack, add planks with rollers so no ramp
[06:41:52] <archivist> the reverse of
http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=cmm
[06:44:09] <miss0r> jesus its heavy. Just getting it over the edge of a 19mm plank :o
[06:44:54] <SpeedEvil> bevel the edge
[06:45:12] <SpeedEvil> or put a 10mm plank half the wheel radius
[06:45:25] <archivist> levers
[06:45:41] <SpeedEvil> winches.
[06:46:22] <miss0r> all that stuff is no good when it is on a handtruck
[06:46:48] <archivist> I find moving objects safer when working alone, slaves can push too hard
[06:47:08] <miss0r> Just phoned a buddy(slave) he will be here within the hour ready to push too hard
[06:47:15] <SpeedEvil> :)
[06:48:13] <miss0r> I eased the burden a bit by removing the x-axis table. All the ways look like they were either scraped in rescently or the unit is largely unused
[06:48:43] <miss0r> which realy doesn't matter much, if I end up dropping it :)
[06:48:48] <archivist> I had no problem with the cmm until the neighbour came over to help
[06:49:01] <miss0r> what does that CMM do?
[06:49:18] <miss0r> some sort of measuering machine?
[06:49:25] <archivist> what cmms usually do
[06:49:58] <miss0r> ^^
[06:50:36] <archivist> calibrating itself
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XIscw-ciEg
[06:51:11] <miss0r> how acurate is that thing?
[06:52:48] <archivist> I dont have the figure to hand but it is a shop floor one rather than high accuracy
[06:53:30] <archivist> iirc about 40 microinches
[06:54:26] <miss0r> sweet
[06:55:32] <archivist> must play with it some more
[06:57:52] <DaViruz> SpeedEvil: you're right, -12 usually is 120!
[06:58:25] <DaViruz> i've been fooled by that one before..
[06:58:57] <SpeedEvil> :)
[07:02:41] <DaViruz> miss0r: just got my gun safe moved, even though i hade a motorized stair climbing trolley i'm totally exhausted. i'm not envious of moving your surface grinder ;)
[07:03:50] * SpeedEvil ponders just mounting a crane capable of a couple of tons and 20m reach at the centre of his property.
[07:08:53] <miss0r> DaViruz: but you are envious of the grinder itself ;)
[07:12:06] <DaViruz> i am
[07:12:16] <DaViruz> especially when you say the slideways are like new :(
[07:41:20] <tiwake> DaViruz: you should join ##guns
[07:41:33] <tiwake> because guns
[07:44:56] <jdh> that's the secret obama registry. when you /join, you get added to the list.
[07:45:03] <jdh> Jan 19, they are coming for you.
[08:05:21] <gregcnc> skunkworks what were you making yesterday?
[08:15:49] <gonzo_> every house needs an I beam with a chain block and a trapdoor un one of the upstairs floors
[08:16:43] <gonzo_> (had oen at a pervious company. Came in one day to find that a manager had arranged for an office to be built in the corner of the room and the partition wall went right over the trap door
[08:59:39] <FinboySlick> http://www.ebay.ca/itm/SCHAUBLIN-53-Milling-Machine-Includes-Digital-Readout-/172388190276 Should I?
[09:01:14] <FinboySlick> It'd be more of a basic restauration project than a CNC project but it's such a beautiful thing.
[09:03:50] <SpeedEvil> Why restaration?
[09:03:53] <SpeedEvil> or
[09:04:30] <SpeedEvil> Oh - right - you're one of those people that think that paint should actually be a coherent film over the entire object :)
[09:09:43] <archivist> FinboySlick, a good make
[09:11:43] <archivist> collets might cost a bit, does it come with them
[09:15:34] <FinboySlick> archivist: Not specified. Looks like a closing shop (They're selling some pretty nice other things but I don't think I could fit the lathe even in my new home).
[09:16:42] <Jymmm> FinboySlick: It'll fit in the living room, no problem =)
[09:17:05] <FinboySlick> For about 1 second, until it makes itself fit in the basement.
[09:17:31] <archivist> I have a concrete floor in the kitchen
[09:17:51] <FinboySlick> archivist: Yeah, but I wouldn't be surprised if you also had a drill press in the kitchen.
[09:18:02] <archivist> mebe
[09:18:07] <Jymmm> ..and band saw
[09:18:13] <archivist> only a small one
[09:18:36] <IchGucksLive> hi
[09:18:37] <FinboySlick> archivist: I could just picture the press with a spoon in the chuck and a label: Tea stirrer.
[09:18:47] <IchGucksLive> https://youtu.be/4qG6oCiUtNY
[09:18:47] <Jymmm> ...next to the compressor, for blowing the dishes dry
[09:18:56] <IchGucksLive> Someone can check if the sound is ok
[09:19:08] <IchGucksLive> GRAYscalew image carving without CAM
[09:19:24] <IchGucksLive> C-compile Imagecarve
[09:20:18] <IchGucksLive> i will add the Blender toutorial soon for generating Grayscales out of a 3D mesh
[09:20:21] <archivist> FinboySlick, it would be flung out, it is an 18k machine
http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=9028
[09:20:32] <FinboySlick> archivist: Price of the tooling (and the sheer size of the thing) are the two things that make me hesitate... But I can't let something like this not find a good home either. So I'm sort of foaming at the mouth now.
[09:20:50] <archivist> fetch boy
[09:21:10] <archivist> I like spending other peoples money :)
[09:21:41] <FinboySlick> archivist: If it's straight, it could at least fix my other mill ;) I'm pretty sure the entire thing fits on the table.
[09:22:08] <archivist> very similar to ER collets I have one schaublin collet here
[09:22:30] <FinboySlick> archivist: Aren't they iso40?
[09:22:31] <IchGucksLive> till later
[09:23:08] <archivist> FinboySlick, I cannot tell but can see a collet nut on the machine
[09:24:05] <FinboySlick> ISO 40 tooling at one end and P25 collets at the other
[09:24:41] <FinboySlick> (the head rotates 180°
[09:24:59] <FinboySlick> Well, 360, but I mean you rotate 180 to access the other size.
[09:25:18] <FinboySlick> http://anglo-swiss-tools.co.uk/schaublin-53-milling-machine/
[09:27:40] <archivist> solid meaty nourishment
[09:30:16] <CaptHindsight> it's a bit pricey for my area but I like it
[09:31:33] <archivist> FinboySlick, I have a 120vm
http://anglo-swiss-tools.co.uk/schaublin-120-120vm/
[09:32:11] <CaptHindsight> actually after looking at the current exchange rate the price isn't too bad
[09:32:16] <archivist> 900kg so that mill will be heavy
[09:33:59] <CaptHindsight> FinboySlick: what did you guys do?! Last time I checked you were near parity to the USD
[09:41:58] <FinboySlick> CaptHindsight: We elected King-Keynesian.
[09:42:59] <CaptHindsight> FinboySlick: better than what we did! :p
[09:43:25] <FinboySlick> CaptHindsight: Yeah. I guess it's a good opportunity to take a vacation to Canada.
[09:43:37] <CaptHindsight> have a room to let?
[09:43:56] <FinboySlick> A couple actually.
[09:44:06] <FinboySlick> And come spring, I might have a whole house.
[09:44:17] <CaptHindsight> can I bring a bunch of machines?
[09:44:51] <gonzo_> the house may rent with a mc shop
[09:45:02] <FinboySlick> Sure! Though you'll want to rust-proof 'em until we build a proper shop.
[09:45:45] <CaptHindsight> FinboySlick: do I have to learn French?
[09:46:27] <FinboySlick> Our area has the highest proportion of anglophones in Quebec after Montreal. You would get by relatively well. Some french would help though.
[09:47:54] <CaptHindsight> I wonder if "refugee" status could apply :)
[09:49:06] <CaptHindsight> intellectual suppression, human right violations etc
[09:49:13] <FinboySlick> Yeah, but you'd probably need to pretend that you are what you guys would refer to as a 'commie leftist' to fit their criteria.
[09:49:31] <CaptHindsight> no need to pretend :)
[09:50:46] <CaptHindsight> funny you mention commie
[09:57:11] <MacGalempsy> morning
[10:00:56] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Your new nick is CaptCommie?
[10:01:18] <MacGalempsy> just saw a video of diy hydrocoat. anyone try it?
[10:01:41] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc:
http://racine.craigslist.org/tls/5879039748.html
[10:02:04] <Jymmm> MacGalempsy: Didn't come in tall sizes, so no.
[10:02:45] <MacGalempsy> heh. it was spraypaint in a bucket of h2o
[10:02:47] <gregcnc> capthindsight "drain pan"
[10:03:19] <gregcnc> ask them if it's for changing the oil or if it leaks
[10:03:52] <MacGalempsy> I never realized CaptHindsight was to the left, just the otherday he was hoping for a midwest earthquake to swallow up blue states
[10:05:04] <CaptHindsight> MacGalempsy: Blue around here! Where?
[10:05:28] <MacGalempsy> lol.
[10:06:19] <CaptHindsight> I feel more like an outsider (expat) here
[10:07:08] <MacGalempsy> in the channel or in your hood?
[10:07:39] <CaptHindsight> MacGalempsy: the US
[10:08:43] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: odd isn't it
[10:09:07] <MacGalempsy> are you going to renounce your citizenship?
[10:09:21] <gregcnc> our county is fairly divided
[10:09:49] <MacGalempsy> into 50 states!
[10:10:11] <gregcnc> the county capt and I reside in
[10:11:06] <CaptHindsight> MacGalempsy: soon as the mothership comes to retrieve me
[10:11:28] <CaptHindsight> and restores my memories
[10:11:41] <gregcnc> so i got a lathe this summer, spent a whole bunch of time rebuilding the spindle and checking crap out
[10:11:56] <gregcnc> finally get to trying to use it and get odd errors
[10:12:42] <CaptHindsight> what's wrong?
[10:12:45] <MacGalempsy> the mothership to remove expats is a greyhound bus with "I.C.E." on the plaquard
[10:13:20] <gregcnc> finally yesterday found a festo pressure switch that was crapping out. it has a resistive phase in what should be NO switch
[10:13:54] <gregcnc> I need to test this by jumping the leads, but I finally found it.
[10:14:02] <gregcnc> found something
[10:14:52] <gregcnc> the voltage was well above 24V, but would drop about .3V before it dropped out entirely
[10:15:12] <gregcnc> we'll see
[10:15:17] <MacGalempsy> u order a new switch?
[10:15:17] <CaptHindsight> MacGalempsy: upon impact and signs of survival the escape pods wipes your memory leaving only enough for you to tolerate existence on the planet of the apes
[10:16:07] <MacGalempsy> please turn up my drip rate
[10:16:57] <gregcnc> will order today, but I hope jumping it proves this is what's wrong. The curious thing is that the machine worked when the switch showed the resistance and didn't when it made full contact.
[10:17:50] <MacGalempsy> yeah
[10:18:22] <gregcnc> I like how people talk about moving to another country, like you just get on a plane and leave, well maybe it you have plenty of cash
[10:18:51] <MacGalempsy> isnt the sign of a bad resistor sometimes a floating signal?
[10:19:57] <gregcnc> well it's odd as this signal should be 24V source, but maybe i'm wrong, headed out tot he garage to find out
[10:20:11] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: yeah, cash is best, pretty much gets you anywhere you want to stay
[10:20:48] <gregcnc> unless you get caught at the airport with it in your pants
[10:20:54] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: some places it also helps to bring some type of skill
[10:21:19] <CaptHindsight> science, engineering, arts, literature etc
[10:21:23] <gregcnc> right most want you to benefit their country in some way, and cash works too
[10:22:06] <CaptHindsight> I was worried during Cheney/Bush that many co's would just stop wanting uhmericans
[10:22:19] <MacGalempsy> Jymmm: is the overloard's OUTDOOR fireplace being shipped yet?
[10:23:20] <MacGalempsy> they dont want to hire Mericans just take their money
[10:25:58] <CaptHindsight> hiring? sounds like poor people
[10:26:44] <MacGalempsy> ?
[10:28:38] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc:
http://racine.craigslist.org/for/5885006626.html
[10:32:03] <archivist> is the lathe better than the camera
[10:32:22] <CaptHindsight> maybe his shop is just fuzzy
[10:35:41] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: that Logan up north and the Atlas in the south burbs change price every few days
[10:35:59] <CaptHindsight> it's like some sort of research project
[10:40:10] <SpeedEvil> CaptHindsight: fog
[12:11:30] <FloppyDisk525> Capt - nice lathe for $800, much better lathe than a little 9x20 I bought for only slightly less.
[12:22:57] <Wolf_> if that was closer to me I would be otw to pick it up lol
[12:29:32] <IchGucksLive> hi
[12:34:03] <CaptHindsight> FloppyDisk525 , Wolf_ I bet it's sold by now. Was posted yesterday
[12:34:41] <FloppyDisk525> Probably so...
[12:35:05] <FloppyDisk525> I had to laugh, I clicked on the craigslist free, which was still Racine, WI and I was amazed at how much free motor oil i could pick up.
[12:35:19] <FloppyDisk525> And, cut your own wood, just bring a chain saw.
[12:35:50] <FloppyDisk525> I thought that was strange for Craigslist SF Bay until I realized I was back in Wisco:-)
[12:35:59] <CaptHindsight> lol
[12:37:42] <CaptHindsight> people are such cheapskates around here that I bet they pick up the free items and then list them for sale on CL
[12:38:30] <gregcnc> capt i'm sure
[12:38:32] <FloppyDisk525> I'm sure they do... The free firewood would be a starter...
[12:38:52] <CaptHindsight> out here in the country firewood is pretty cheap
[12:39:17] <CaptHindsight> if you drive 25 miles towards the city it sells for crazy prices
[12:39:24] <IchGucksLive> CaptHindsight: can you please check the english sound olk on my new Vid
https://youtu.be/27IA3I3zEUM
[12:39:31] <FloppyDisk525> Actually, someone from Palo Alto or some very expensive place was giving away a free thule rack, but that's rare. It would've been gone in secs.
[12:39:52] <CaptHindsight> ~$10 for a few logs 3" dia x 12"
[12:40:10] <IchGucksLive> FloppyDisk525: go for Storige sales
[12:40:28] <IchGucksLive> there are so many toolboxes inside storage
[12:40:39] <CaptHindsight> IchGucksLive: sounds clear but with a German accent :)
[12:41:00] <FloppyDisk525> IchGucksLive - your english in the first bit is good. I like the slow deliberate delivery, allows others to take the time to understand any 'bumps'...
[12:41:01] <IchGucksLive> as expected
[12:41:44] <IchGucksLive> FloppyDisk525: so many spanish looking on that
[12:42:03] <FloppyDisk525> Yeah - slow would be better...
[12:42:13] <FloppyDisk525> You're good, don't need any slower imo
[12:42:13] <IchGucksLive> https://youtu.be/4qG6oCiUtNY this is how to get g-code without cam on a grayscale
[12:42:26] <CaptHindsight> the Rockford sold earlier this morning
[12:42:43] <CaptHindsight> offered me his almost new Smithy
[12:42:48] <CaptHindsight> pass!
[12:42:53] <FloppyDisk525> ha! :-)
[12:43:32] <CaptHindsight> http://racine.craigslist.org/for/5885003969.html
[12:44:27] <gregcnc> hah I sold that piece for $200
[12:44:36] <FloppyDisk525> no compound slide in the pic... gregcnc:-)
[12:44:57] <CaptHindsight> http://chicago.craigslist.org/sox/for/5878462846.html 14x30 Hendy lathe comes with 4 and 3 jaw chuck $500
[12:45:02] <CaptHindsight> lotsa iron
[12:45:04] <gregcnc> yeah, I stripped the parts I wasn't going to need for CNC lathe
[12:45:15] <FloppyDisk525> I just texted him...
[12:47:21] <CaptHindsight> http://rockford.craigslist.org/for/5871672536.html the price on this fluctuates
[12:52:50] <CaptHindsight> hmm never noticed how much free waste oil there is out there on CL
[12:53:07] <CaptHindsight> every town I check has some
[12:59:46] <miss0r> DaViruz: you around?
[13:03:00] <miss0r> I am wondering if anyone in here knows where I can find a user manual for a FBA2 surface grinder. All I basically want to know is what lubrication to use for what :)
[13:04:19] <DaViruz> hum
[13:04:35] <DaViruz> nooo idea
[13:05:28] <miss0r> DaViruz: it seems, like it always do, that they used grease on the vertical ways, which clearly needs oil. As soon as someone sees a lubrication nibble, everyone assumes it is grease :)
[13:05:41] <DaViruz> yeah
[13:06:02] <miss0r> but to me theres no doubt this is oil. I would just like to verify that somehow :)
[13:06:36] <DaViruz> information on old machine tools always seems extremely scarce
[13:07:00] <miss0r> yeah. this is absolutly no exception
[13:09:41] <CaptHindsight> how come the MIG wire only runs out at 9pm on Sundays?
[13:16:59] <Wolf_> because you didn’t run out of shield gas on friday at 4:45pm
[13:19:14] <CaptHindsight> I have to figure CF of gas to lbs of wire
[13:19:37] <CaptHindsight> I have 330 CF tanks
[13:20:21] <Wolf_> same, C25 and argon 330 tanks plus 80 cu backups of each
[13:23:00] <Wolf_> 330 always run out on tuesday at 5pm, because welding shop truck day is wedsday…
[13:24:33] <CaptHindsight> I ordered a few different dia of TIG rods in just about every alloy
[13:24:51] <CaptHindsight> the only one that didn't show up was the type and size I needed
[13:24:58] <Wolf_> lol
[13:25:44] <Wolf_> thats the way it works...
[13:25:49] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: new welding supply store in CL
[13:26:25] <CaptHindsight> on Main near the tracks
[13:26:52] <CaptHindsight> Wolf_: do you own or rent your tanks?
[13:27:01] <Wolf_> rent the 330
[13:27:20] <CaptHindsight> I have to drive 50 miles to get my own tanks refilled
[13:27:32] <Wolf_> 2yr/$72 each
[13:28:15] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: good thing the vw gets good gas milage
[13:28:24] <Wolf_> c25 last swap out cost me $89.70 delivered
[13:28:46] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: I strap them to the top of my hybrid :)
[13:29:03] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: to tip it over?
[13:29:06] <CaptHindsight> Wolf_: how much for 330 or Argon?
[13:29:17] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: get some hs jocks for that
[13:29:34] <CaptHindsight> or/of
[13:29:46] <Wolf_> I think its the same cost or cheaper, I haven’t done much tig in the last year
[13:30:33] <CaptHindsight> I go through 2x more Argon than C25
[13:30:46] <Jymmm> C25?
[13:30:54] <Wolf_> yeah, tig eats gas quick
[13:31:22] <Wolf_> c25= co2 w/ 25% argon for mig
[13:31:31] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: co2 argon mix for steel welding
[13:31:52] <Jymmm> you guys and your mig/tiggas shit, just get a couple of car batteries, jumper cables and a pair of vise grips and be done with it, eeeeesh
[13:31:56] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: ah
[13:32:35] <Jymmm> like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PV5oLPLUzrM
[13:42:19] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: big glue guns
[13:42:37] <Wolf_> mig = metal glue gun
[13:42:38] <CaptHindsight> and "duck" tape
[13:42:50] <CaptHindsight> quack
[13:42:53] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: duck duck goose?
[13:43:07] <IchGucksLive> Gn8
[13:44:03] <CaptHindsight> Wolf_: so if you CNC a MIG you can revolutionize manufacturing?
[13:44:13] <CaptHindsight> what should we call it?
[13:44:22] <Wolf_> 3d metal printer
[13:44:29] <Jymmm> Cig, then get a $4/per tack tax!
[13:44:30] <CaptHindsight> too many words
[13:45:08] <Jymmm> or C(nc)IG
[13:45:40] <Jymmm> CMIG?
[13:45:50] <Jymmm> CNIG?
[13:46:05] <Jymmm> AutoWeld 4000
[13:46:30] <CaptHindsight> just picture it with a wood grain enclosure
[13:51:02] <gregcnc> https://youtu.be/y9pknU0zv9c?t=1m57s
[13:53:14] <miss0r> DaViruz: Now I have it completely disassembled. Everything looks quite new. but my suspiction was correct. Someone has added grease two places it was never intedted. So I have to purge thoes oil channals. but other than that. it looks brand new inside
[13:53:46] <DaViruz> man, now i regret not picking it up :)
[13:54:06] <DaViruz> though it doesn't really matter since i have nowhere to put it
[13:54:10] <miss0r> it was a gamble. it always is :)
[13:55:07] <DaViruz> so where do i send the bill for my brokers fee? ;)
[13:56:01] <DaViruz> nah i'm glad it worked out
[13:56:44] <miss0r> So am I. should you ever be in a pickle around northern sealand, and need something machined or just surface ground, come give me a knock ;)
[13:57:02] <miss0r> i'll consider answering the door
[14:00:29] <miss0r> hah... That was not grease in there. It was just a cutton buffer for the oil, soaked in the larger particles. It seems this unit was oiled correctly. Thats a relief
[14:00:36] <gregcnc> the jumper wire didn't work on my pressure switch
[14:01:21] <gregcnc> took apart the festo switch, found a micro switch, took it apart, cleaned the contacts, and I'll be damned the machine works!
[14:01:41] <gregcnc> it will work until a new switch gets here
[14:01:46] <miss0r> cleaned a microswitch :) offensive
[14:01:57] <miss0r> ahh, just as a temporary solution
[14:02:39] <gregcnc> i'm sure it would work for a while, maybe a long while, but contacts were a mess.
[14:02:48] <DaViruz> i once got zapped by 400V from one of those damn festo pressure switches
[14:03:06] <DaViruz> it was placed in the middle of a huge bunch of festo air logic
[14:03:09] <miss0r> DaViruz: No you did not.
[14:03:12] <DaViruz> and i was searching for a leak
[14:03:13] <gregcnc> so the plc was looking for a brief off during each chuck open or close
[14:03:46] <gregcnc> but didn't error of course
[14:03:53] <miss0r> DaViruz: well, it is unlikely. You probally got a phase to ground shock?
[14:04:10] <DaViruz> i placed my finger straight over the two contacts
[14:04:22] <miss0r> a 400 volt contact ? :o ouch
[14:04:24] <CaptHindsight> DaViruz: did you replace it with a much safer 24V switch? :)
[14:04:24] <gregcnc> just said chuck was not closed when it was
[14:04:45] <DaViruz> CaptHindsight: i moved it to a location where all other electrical stuff were
[14:05:00] <DaViruz> miss0r: well, in series with a 400V contactor coil
[14:05:07] <CaptHindsight> I think they do that just for fun
[14:05:20] <gregcnc> exposed contacts?
[14:05:32] <DaViruz> very
[14:05:51] <DaViruz> http://www.kiowa.co.uk/SupplyImages/WF00014/P_2A99232B0CCC439693918EFA4609386B_pp.jpg
[14:05:54] <DaViruz> one of those buggers
[14:06:09] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: did you see the new welding store?
[14:06:09] <miss0r> I once, by accident, dragged my ear over a steel bean in the attic in an industrial building, and got zapped something feirse. Turns out there was a leaky flurescent tube light, that had the potential of that steel bean hovering at 390 volts above ground.
[14:06:13] <gregcnc> oh, this one has a nice plug
[14:06:27] <miss0r> beam*
[14:06:28] <DaViruz> gregcnc: that seems much safer
[14:06:30] <DaViruz> :)
[14:06:35] <DaViruz> though i admit i was careless
[14:06:50] <gregcnc> I did see your mention. and now I realize I drove by last week and saw it.
[14:07:02] <miss0r> DaViruz: I guess we would classify your accident as one of thoes, where you just shake your head at yourself afterwards?
[14:07:05] <CaptHindsight> mucho nicer than airgas
[14:07:39] <gregcnc> I should learn to weld, but I do tiny stuff, TIG?
[14:08:00] <sync> depends on how tiny
[14:08:07] <DaViruz> miss0r: there was no reason at all to not unplug the machine, but i just never expected to find something electrical in there.. :)
[14:08:12] <gregcnc> thin wall AL
[14:08:22] <CaptHindsight> T I G
[14:08:40] <miss0r> DaViruz: I hear'ya. I'm an electrician doing industrial PLC stuff and larger machines. I've been there :)
[14:09:04] <DaViruz> yeah i'm an electrician / automation technichian too
[14:09:15] <CaptHindsight> MIG is for bridges, skyscrapers etc
[14:09:26] <miss0r> It seems theres a few of us in here... Somewhat scary :)
[14:09:34] <gregcnc> www.ebay.com/itm/231886841981 the air side was filled with oil which probably didn't help reaction times
[14:09:46] <miss0r> Bleh. This cold is never going to go away if I don't get some shuteye. See you around
[14:10:03] <CaptHindsight> has anyone been out driving yet today?
[14:10:14] <CaptHindsight> is it holiday madness yet?
[14:10:21] <kyle___> so i milled through the side of the fire control pocket on my lower receiver
[14:10:24] <gregcnc> i was tempted to drive to carol stream to pick up a switch
[14:10:31] <kyle___> captain hindsight should've been there to help
[14:10:34] <Tom_L> no it's just normal madness today
[14:10:41] <kyle___> now I own a cheap X-Y vise and have another lower in the mail
[14:10:51] <kyle___> learning's expensive
[14:10:54] <gregcnc> it's shifting internet madness
[14:11:08] <CaptHindsight> wish me luck
[14:11:08] <Tom_L> CaptHindsight nobody shops anymore, it's all online
[14:11:16] <Wolf_> you didn’t get one of them crappy x-y vices did you?
[14:11:19] <kyle___> i did
[14:11:25] <kyle___> it's solid enough
[14:11:29] <kyle___> more solid than my hand
[14:11:34] <sync> just weld it up kyle___
[14:11:47] <Wolf_> not solid enough to mill with
[14:11:52] <kyle___> it's polymer
[14:12:02] <kyle___> what i'm milling, i mean
[14:12:18] <kyle___> it'll work... maybe once
[14:12:34] <Wolf_> it will jump side to side/front to back as the mill cutter catches
[14:12:47] <kyle___> i don't know, i can't get mine to jiggle that much
[14:12:59] <jdh> can you lock one axis?
[14:13:00] <kyle___> did you tighten yours up? mine has screws all around it for that
[14:13:03] <kyle___> yeah
[14:13:18] <kyle___> there's a wingnut for each axis that locks it down
[14:13:21] <Wolf_> yeah seems tight until you put it under machine power
[14:13:39] <jdh> you shoudl buy a mill with a milling vise
[14:14:00] <kyle___> meh there's not much I can do about it right now
[14:14:06] <jdh> and buy $39.95 anderson prefinished lowers
[14:14:14] <kyle___> not going to have a "workshop" until february
[14:14:24] <kyle___> so i'll dick around with what i've got and have a good story later
[14:14:36] <Wolf_> a partly worn out used seig x1-x2 is better then that x-y vice new
[14:14:59] <jdh> maybe not an x1
[14:15:10] <Wolf_> I have all 3 :P
[14:15:25] <kyle___> i haven't invested any money i couldn't afford to throw down the shitter anyway
[14:16:54] <kyle___> oshit how much can you get an x2 for?
[14:17:04] <Wolf_> I paid $250 for my x1 with full set of tooling, mics, tool makers vice, and a bunch of other crap off CL
[14:17:14] <kyle___> aw wtf, i'll just buy one of those then
[14:17:35] <Wolf_> just look around used listing
[14:17:40] <kyle___> merry christmas to me
[14:17:46] <Wolf_> sometimes you get lucky lol
[14:17:47] <jdh> I paid $250 for an x2 still in the grease.
[14:18:07] <kyle___> that X-Y vise isn't a total loss though
[14:18:14] <kyle___> really good paperweight
[14:18:20] <Wolf_> its kinda ok on a drill press
[14:18:27] <jdh> I have a cheap one on my drill press
[14:18:29] <Wolf_> almost
[14:18:41] <kyle___> yeah, i'll probably still use it for this lower
[14:18:55] <kyle___> if not just so i can see what you're talking about first-hand
[14:19:39] <Wolf_> lol
[14:21:26] <Wolf_> kyle___:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JrHFKqLCd4
[14:21:40] <kyle___> that looks fun
[14:21:46] <kyle___> that'll be V2 for me, methinks
[14:22:18] <Wolf_> IIRC he did the first ones on a cnc converted x2 I think
[14:22:29] <kyle___> sweet
[14:22:33] <kyle___> yeah, I can see how that'd work
[14:27:24] <Wolf_> I want to do a couple 80% 1911
[14:28:46] <SpeedEvil> A 1528.8 you mean?
[14:28:53] <Wolf_> lol
[16:01:04] <CaptHindsight> Tom_L: everybody was at the grocery store
[16:01:29] <CaptHindsight> for some big cooking event
[16:04:51] <bpuk> does it involves turkeys?
[16:09:51] <nubcake> n8 everyone
[16:24:30] <CaptHindsight> $41 to refill my 330cf with Argon
[16:29:45] <jdh> we pay $0.04/ft^3 for argon
[16:30:16] <jdh> so, $41 probably isn't too bad
[16:33:29] <Deejay> gn8
[16:42:56] <CaptHindsight> jdh: how much is your C25?
[16:43:20] <jdh> what is C25
[16:43:35] <CaptHindsight> co2 with 25% argon
[16:44:07] <jdh> we use 100% argon (or helium)
[16:44:07] <CaptHindsight> er eh 25% co2 75% argon
[16:44:23] <Tom_L> iirc i use a trimix
[16:44:35] <jdh> I use a trimix diving
[16:44:49] <Tom_L> probably not the same mix :)
[16:45:03] <CaptHindsight> I use C25 with er70 for the mig most often
[16:45:06] <jdh> 18% o2, 45% He, balnce N2
[16:45:13] <jdh> (for today's dive anyway)
[16:45:17] <CaptHindsight> 100% argon for TIG
[16:46:00] <jdh> or 100% He for penetration
[16:46:46] <CaptHindsight> thin sheet here so usually under 40A
[16:55:20] <kyle___> is a sieg x2 worth buying at retail prices?
[16:55:42] <kyle___> hazard fright wants $700
[16:55:52] <jdh> no
[16:55:56] <Wolf_> no
[16:56:00] <kyle___> didn't think so
[16:56:31] <Wolf_> $700 would get you a nice old iron mill if you do some looking
[16:56:43] <jdh> if you have room an d power
[16:56:52] <JT-Shop> we have a horrible freight now
[16:57:16] <Wolf_> power isn’t bad, just hope to get a 3hp 3 phase and toss a VFD on it
[16:57:26] <kyle___> huh
[16:57:28] <kyle___> i'm down
[16:57:47] <jdh> I drive by teh east coast HF warehouse on my way too/from florida. They have a store attached
[16:58:27] <jdh> http://www.grizzly.com/products/Mill-Drill/G0758?utm_campaign=zPage&utm_source=grizzly.com
[16:58:42] <jdh> cost more, but better than an X2 and cheaper than a g0704.
[16:59:40] <kyle___> http://www.ebay.com/itm/G0704-Grizzly-Drill-Mill-with-Stand-/291515400685?hash=item43dfac01ed%3Ag%3AipEAAOSweW5VQ~0b
[16:59:48] <kyle___> $1225 for a G0704 sound right?
[17:00:12] <jdh> yeah. you can get 5 or 10% coupons though
[17:00:36] <jdh> could get a bridgeport clone if you waited long enough for the same price
[17:01:41] <kyle___> oh, yeah, 20% off until 11/23
[17:01:54] <kyle___> could get that hf x2 new for $560
[17:02:49] <jdh> it is what it is. I got a g0704 because it would fit
[17:03:40] <kyle___> $785 for a g0704 reasonable?
[17:04:00] <kyle___> that seems like a black friday price
[17:20:47] <CaptHindsight> https://www.walmart.com/ip/Grizzly-G0704-Drill-Mill-with-Stand/157396925?wmlspartner=wlpa&selectedSellerId=2634&adid=22222222227000000000&wl0=&wl1=g&wl2=c&wl3=42423897272&wl4=pla-51320962143&wl5=9021490&wl6=&wl7=&wl8=&wl9=pla&wl10=113500125&wl11=online&wl12=157396925&wl13=&veh=sem
[17:21:08] <CaptHindsight> $1,225.00 + $99.00 shipping surcharge
[17:21:23] <gregcnc> this silliness with everybody selling everything
[17:21:42] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: if you're going there can you pick 2 up for me
[17:22:06] <lowridah> it's just dropship
[17:22:10] <lowridah> walmart doesn't sell that
[17:22:25] <lowridah> i bought a volcano vaporizer (for weed) off sears
[17:22:35] <lowridah> they're just fulfilling an order through a intermediary
[17:22:43] <CaptHindsight> yeah, I know it's just fun
[17:22:51] <lowridah> eventually everything will just be a gateway to amazon
[17:23:01] <CaptHindsight> drone delivered
[17:24:19] <gregcnc> trying to search google shopping for something actually in stock locally is completely useless
[17:32:55] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhDG_WBIQgc new side business
[17:33:26] <andypugh> Google shopping only shows me things in Germany/
[17:33:44] <CaptHindsight> it's built better
[17:33:44] <andypugh> (And there seems to be no way to persuade it otherwise).
[17:33:57] <CaptHindsight> ok, so it's not just me
[17:34:12] <CaptHindsight> it happens to me on alibaba as well
[17:34:49] <gregcnc> i wonder if these birds attacking drones end up with broken legs
[17:35:40] <gregcnc> haha
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdgvlHH3JSA
[17:40:37] <CaptHindsight> if a birds catches and drops something from the sky in your lap does it belong to you or the bird?
[17:41:31] <CaptHindsight> lap, head etc
[17:42:34] <gregcnc> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWXe7Js6GnI
[18:07:08] <JT-Shop> damn my windows computer just shuts down...
[18:10:21] <JT-Shop> hmm CPU fan is flaky
[18:23:04] <Frank_6> tsunami hits japan
[18:23:30] <Frank_6> im the last one to know it?
[18:24:21] <tiwake> nope, I didnt know
[18:24:21] <Frank_6> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THDSw83y7JU
[18:24:40] <Frank_6> they are evacuating
[18:25:08] <tiwake> hmm... my brother is in japan
[18:26:13] <gregcnc> youtube has chat?
[18:26:36] <tiwake> gregcnc: for live streams
[18:26:47] <gregcnc> mostly bs
[18:26:55] <Frank_6> yep
[18:27:07] <tiwake> gregcnc: not sure when google added life streams, but its been several months now at least
[18:27:17] <tiwake> *live
[18:27:24] <gregcnc> live stream probably a few years
[18:39:18] <andypugh> I wonder why Youtube chat and comments are so horrible compared to almost any other social medium?
[18:39:46] <malcom2073_> You've never been on facebook have you?
[18:39:47] <tiwake> andypugh: such as reddit? 4chan? heh.
[18:39:49] <malcom2073_> It's about on par
[19:46:39] <codepython7772> anyone good with brushless motors hanging in here? I could use some help with an ESC
[19:47:26] <Wolf_> eh, hobby rc type brushless or 3phase servo type
[19:48:19] <codepython7772> Wolf_: its brushless - I think 3-phas type - let me check
[19:50:26] <codepython7772> Wolf_: 3-phase brushless DC electric wheel hub motors, 36V 350W, 700W total
[19:50:54] <Wolf_> ahh ok, e-bike type
[19:51:09] <codepython7772> Wolf_: yes!
[19:51:34] <codepython7772> Wolf_: how do i control this thing? any recommendations? I've a 36V battery and a raspberry pi :)
[19:53:16] <Wolf_> need a esc/speed controller of some sort (or a brushless motor controller IC and some mosfets)
[19:54:14] <gregcnc> make model?
[19:54:34] <codepython7772> Wolf_:
https://www.amainhobbies.com/castle-creations-mamba-xl-x-1-5-brushless-esc-cse010-0140-00/p451277 - someone used this one to control it - but i need a 10x price reduction if possible.
[19:55:29] <gregcnc> what are you using it with?
[19:55:53] <codepython7772> gregcnc: I'm trying to build a hoverboard :)
[19:56:09] <gregcnc> what is the actual load
[19:56:29] <gregcnc> ah
[19:56:40] <codepython7772> gregcnc: 100lb
[19:56:54] <codepython7772> gregcnc:
https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Wholesale-6-5-Inch-Bluetooth-Electric_60480464024.html?s=p
[19:57:40] <gregcnc> for that application i can't recommend an RC ESC. I'm not sure what will give the kind of response time required
[19:58:00] <gregcnc> car type are you best bet
[19:58:16] <Wolf_> search for 8S rc esc
[19:58:47] <Wolf_> it might not blow lol
[19:58:58] <codepython7772> Wolf_: 8S < 36V - works?
[19:59:17] <Wolf_> 8s x 4.2v
[19:59:31] <gregcnc> components may be 36V
[19:59:39] <gregcnc> 35V
[20:00:19] <Wolf_> it will be close, if you are using SLA for 36v the sag on start up should put it well under 33.6v
[20:00:47] <codepython7772> gregcnc: 36V Li-ion that i am using goes from 26V-42V
[20:01:02] <gregcnc> ou have 10S
[20:01:19] <Wolf_> oo
[20:03:26] <codepython7772> Wolf_: so 10s?
[20:03:41] <Wolf_> you can try…
[20:04:18] <codepython7772> Wolf_: those things look very expensive
[20:04:49] <gregcnc> youre a talking controllers capable of several kW
[20:06:10] <Wolf_> hmm
[20:06:14] * Wolf_ is thinking
[20:06:48] <Wolf_> http://vedder.se/2015/01/vesc-open-source-esc/
[20:07:19] <Wolf_> try that :D
[20:08:08] <Wolf_> I think some guys use that on the powered long boards
[20:10:25] <codepython7772> Wolf_: that thing looks solid!
[20:11:42] <codepython7772> Wolf_: Thta thing is $150
[20:11:50] <Wolf_> woah Wireless wii nunchuk (Nyko Kama) control through the I2C port. This is convenient for electric skateboards.
[20:12:05] <codepython7772> Wolf_: yes it is :)
[20:12:06] <gregcnc> the cost is in the components
[20:12:16] <codepython7772> I'm making one for myself :)
[20:13:17] <Wolf_> yup, get a few boards made, jelly bean components for them all and couple of the spendy parts
[20:13:38] <codepython7772> Can that vesc make it rotate both directions - forwrad/backward?
[20:14:05] <Wolf_> i don’t know much about it
[20:14:55] <gregcnc> "Seamless 4-quadrant operation."
[20:15:08] <codepython7772> Wolf_: Isnt there a cheaper way to control this ? $150 seems a bit high
[20:15:27] <gregcnc> high voltage high current costs money
[20:15:35] <codepython7772> I need 2 of them so - $300 for control - $150 for the motor - sounds problematic
[20:15:42] <Wolf_> any BLDC controller is $$$
[20:15:54] <Wolf_> in that wattage range
[20:16:01] <codepython7772> Wolf_: clearly they are controlling this thing for $25 - how i have no clue
[20:16:15] <gregcnc> may explain why they burn down
[20:16:32] <Wolf_> I have the same problem with some DC servos I have sitting around, $300 controllers
[20:16:47] <gregcnc> how big are those?
[20:17:06] <Wolf_> umm, I forget let me look
[20:19:13] <Wolf_> IIRC they are 1.26N-m 150v 470w nema 34
[20:21:29] <Wolf_> the cheap ass hover boards use lower volts and smaller motors
[20:21:42] <codepython7772> Wolf_:
https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/high-quality-e-bike-controller_60466075849.html - can i use this?
[20:21:54] <codepython7772> Wolf_: the batteries are 36v - at least the one i got
[20:22:19] <codepython7772> Wolf_: the motor is exactly the one we are talking about
[20:23:07] <Wolf_> going to need to reverse engineer that e-bike box
[20:23:44] <Wolf_> its probably a pot or halls input for speed control and only programmed to spin one direction
[20:23:45] <gregcnc> bicycles prbably don't need reverse
[20:24:36] <codepython7772> Wolf_: if i give up on reverse, will it work? how come the price is so low? And I cant find an ESC < $100 ?
[20:24:43] <Wolf_> at least the opensouce one has a IRC channel to ask questions in and possibility of having FW changed
[20:25:11] <gregcnc> crap chinese components with low relibility
[20:25:53] <Wolf_> well, I bet the hoverboards use a all in one control board with a cheap BLDC ic controller and one plant is churning out the boards for all of them lol
[20:27:03] <codepython7772> Wolf_: so if i want to optimize the price with reliable components - go 24v or 12v or 18v? then esc price drops?
[20:27:49] <Wolf_> sort of but motors don’t work that way
[20:28:41] <BeachBumPete> Man I guess giving away our Christmas Tree in Tennessee because we did not want to stuff it into the Uhaul was a BIG mistake :(
[20:29:02] <codepython7772> Wolf_: if wattage was fixed to 200W - what voltage should i pick to minimize ESC pricing? I guess the lower the voltage the cheaper the esc?
[20:29:26] <gregcnc> lower voltage means more current, which increases cost
[20:29:43] <gregcnc> somewhere there is a happy medium
[20:29:49] <Wolf_> only way to drop the wattage is smaller motor, which means no move
[20:31:15] <kyle___> yikes, those run on 36v batteries?
[20:31:30] <kyle___> that's how you die
[20:31:47] <Wolf_> some things do, like e-bike hub motors :D
[20:32:01] <kyle___> shocking
[20:32:13] <kyle___> i'll show myself out now
[20:32:14] <Wolf_> I briefly looked in to doing a e-bike conversion to one of my mountain bikes
[20:32:58] <kyle___> i've been thinking about throwing one of my BLDC motors on a little scooter for putting around town
[20:33:09] <kyle___> but then i remembered i'm too chubby for that and i don't go anywhere anyway
[20:33:15] <Wolf_> lol
[20:34:07] <BeachBumPete> I think an E-scooter with decent range would be a fun thing to have
[20:34:16] <kyle___> yeah
[20:34:27] <kyle___> i don't think any motor i currently have is up to the task
[20:34:31] <kyle___> they're mainly for powering rc planes
[20:35:16] <gregcnc> depends how big of planes you fly
[20:35:56] <Wolf_> I have a multi rotor with 35lbs of thrust
[20:37:46] <Wolf_> but… it does have 8 motors on it…
[20:40:12] <gregcnc> http://neumotors.com/NeuMotors/4400_series.html
[20:41:55] <Wolf_> gregcnc:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/yis13tmyj1e599s/silverlinedp.pdf?dl=0 342 motor is the big servo I was talking about
[20:44:13] <gregcnc> do they have tachs?
[20:44:21] <Wolf_> encoders
[20:49:29] <Wolf_> actually, encoder + halls effect sensors
[21:06:07] <Duc_mobile> BeachBumPete: not even sure if I can use a tree this year due to new cat
[21:07:11] <BeachBumPete> I have a new home here and the room that we are putting the tree in has a 10' ceiling so honestly the old tree was probably not tall enough anyway
[21:07:53] <__rob> anyone know chemistry ?
[21:08:11] <Tom_L> match dot com seems to
[21:08:12] <BeachBumPete> but I have been shopping for a new pre lit 9' tree and getting some SERIOUS sticker shock for a bigass lighted pipe cleaner
[21:08:15] <__rob> AlK(S04)2.12H20
[21:08:18] <__rob> vs
[21:08:18] <__rob> KAl(SO4)2·12H2O
[21:08:25] <__rob> want to know if thye are actually different
[21:08:30] <__rob> if the order of the first letters is
[21:10:56] <Duc_mobile> BeachBumPete; how much are the suckers now dayss
[21:11:24] <BeachBumPete> several hundred bucks for a nice prelit 9 footer
[21:11:40] <BeachBumPete> I remember when ANY tree was under a hundred bucks or just over
[21:12:23] <Duc_mobile> fake trees used to be shameful but now its not
[21:12:31] <Duc_mobile> all the rage
[21:12:35] <Duc_mobile> all the new rage
[21:13:03] <Tom_L> damn tree huggers
[21:15:11] <BeachBumPete> ya know what really blew my mind?
[21:15:18] <BeachBumPete> I saw a commercial the other day
[21:15:23] <BeachBumPete> on TV
[21:15:42] <BeachBumPete> where they were advertising these cool looking realistic prelit artificial trees
[21:16:03] <BeachBumPete> so I get on their website to see what they cost because they had free shipping in the ad
[21:16:10] <CaptHindsight> __rob: whats the CAS number of each? the same or different?
[21:16:16] <BeachBumPete> the trees were way over a grand!!
[21:16:25] <CaptHindsight> __rob:
https://atomscientific.com/product/Aluminium_Potassium_Sulphate_99_5_ACS
[21:16:48] <BeachBumPete> I know people like to spend money today but who the hell will pay over a grand for a Christmas tree???
[21:17:00] <Tom_L> apparently somebody
[21:17:07] <CaptHindsight> __rob:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potassium_alum
[21:17:33] <BeachBumPete> Oh and it was not their top of the line model or something either.... I mean quite a few of these things were well north of a grand
[21:18:33] <Wolf_> screw that
[21:18:42] <Wolf_> I have better things to waste $$$ on
[21:18:58] <BeachBumPete> I totally agree.... that is just a bit insane to me but what do I know
[21:20:10] <Wolf_> grr. I totally forget what power supply I need for these motors/drivers
[21:20:49] <Wolf_> duh, 135-190 VDC…
[21:20:56] <Wolf_> now to find something that will work lol
[21:21:08] <Duc_mobile> dam I think I spent 200 on mine but its only 6 ft tall
[21:22:27] <Wolf_> with 3 motors with 25 ADC peak… 75A 135-190 VDC power supply… easy to find right?
[21:25:17] <Wolf_> that can’t be right
[21:28:25] <pcw_home> You dont need 75A cont
[21:29:47] <Wolf_> yeah, specs read 12A cont, but that seems high still
[21:59:37] <Wolf_> pcw_home: any suggestion on a PSU?
[22:01:29] <pcw_home> what is the motor drive voltage rating?
[22:02:38] <Wolf_> 40-190 VDC, 25A max peak, 12.5 A cont
[22:03:26] <Wolf_> BE25A20 AMC driver
[22:05:11] <codepython7772> Wolf_: have you ever uesd turnigy ESCs?
[22:05:42] <Wolf_> codepython7772: yeah, but only 3s on a quad rotor
[22:05:54] <Wolf_> 30a
[22:05:59] <codepython7772> Wolf_: did you ever reverse the direction?
[22:06:06] <codepython7772> can that be programmatically done?
[22:06:47] <Wolf_> yeah, can some of them can be re-flashed with Simonk 3d flight firmware
[22:07:04] <pcw_home> A 120-120 isolation transformer with a bridge/filter will give you ~165
[22:07:17] <pcw_home> but that may be high for your motors
[22:07:19] <Wolf_> gives 1500us neutral, 1000us full rev, 2000us full forward
[22:07:21] <codepython7772> Wolf_:
https://hobbyking.com/en_us/turnigy-sentilon-v4-100a-5-12s-hv-bulletproof-speed-controller-w-rpm-sensor.html - i was thinking of using this for my motors
[22:07:31] <codepython7772> am not sure if i can reverse the motor
[22:07:35] <Wolf_> that I don’t know about
[22:08:16] <Wolf_> pcw_home:
http://www.a-m-c.com/download/datasheet/b25a20ac.pdf looks like its just that right?
[22:09:43] <Wolf_> pcw_home: motor specs say V max Volts RMS 250
[22:10:00] <Wolf_> max line to line volts
[22:18:42] <Wolf_> dumb question probably, whats does -INV: Inverted Inhibit mean in regards to the servo drive
[22:22:51] <Wolf_> yup dumb question, RTFM… TTL level (+5v) inhibit/enable, open to enable, gnd to inhibit...
[22:23:09] <Wolf_> only 1 pin
