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[00:00:25] <Cromaglious_> I've had 3 harbor freight auto darkeners... Lens work great, head bands are crap and break way too easy
[00:00:56] <Cromaglious_> dioz, get one that will also stick weld
[00:01:26] <Cromaglious_> sometimes you just need to run a bead with some 1/8" rod...
[00:02:12] <Cromaglious_> GMOCCAPY is driving me up the wall....
[00:02:42] <Cromaglious_> anyone have a working gmoccapy ini and hal file using a parallel BOB?
[00:16:55] <Jymmm> pcw_mesa: howdy
[01:22:22] <IchGucksLive> morning from a stormy Germany
[01:49:35] <FloppyDisk525> morning from sunny CA, although storms to hit Sat, which is great. Needed...
[01:49:47] <FloppyDisk525> Oops, gn8...
[02:20:30] <jesseg> hey guys, anyone familiar with an auto-quill feed (purely mechanical)? If you engage them and run the spindle in REV, does it break when it hits the end? LOL Atrump, all mechanical feed
[02:23:14] <jesseg> I was inspecting the Atrump knee mill I'm looking to purchase used ($1800). The turkeys who wired it into 3 phase got two of the legs swapped, so FOR runes backwards.. and the auto-quill-feed mechanism is worn I guess and doesn't release right away when you pop out the release lever..
[02:24:42] <jesseg> So when I went to test it, I put motor to forward but it was running backwards.. I popped out the auto feed lever but it didn't disengage, so I turned off the motor, but the motor coasts for so long that it went ahead and went against the hard stop and went *snap*, and now I think a tooth is missing on the auto-quill feed
[02:25:07] <jesseg> but I don't know for sure if I did it or if the snap was something else automatically disengaging.
[02:28:08] <jesseg> I also noticed if you raise/lower the quill with the spindle turning you can feel an odd vibration that feels like the splice is worn and kind of rough
[02:41:41] <Deejay> moin
[02:42:31] <miss0r> mornin'
[02:44:34] <miss0r> I bought one of these fleabay special z-axis presetter for programming in the tools on my mill. I must say, I am pleasently surprised. Repeatability is +/- 0.001 on that thing
[02:46:46] <miss0r> I didn't know what to expect, but it seems the design is so idiot proof, that even with a somewhat crummy prodiction, it is still a pretty good tool. I wouldn't buy this particular model, if I had to reset tools every time I put them in the mill. but for the initial setup of the tool library it is very nice. It sure beats my homemade "digital" one
[02:59:31] <archivist> jesseg, perhaps you dont want to buy that one if it went bang
[03:01:04] <enleth> miss0r: link?
[03:01:35] <miss0r> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/371740855800?_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
[03:03:54] <miss0r> enleth: ^
[03:04:31] <enleth> thanks
[03:04:35] <enleth> looks good
[03:04:51] <archivist> how parallel is measuring face to base
[03:06:47] <miss0r> the worst spot was -0.002mm
[03:07:09] <miss0r> which is plenty good for my old mill
[03:07:15] <archivist> near enough
[03:20:41] <sync> miss0r: the only annoying thing is that you cannot measure diameters
[03:23:13] <archivist> and an odd number of teeth cutter on/in an eccentric holder/spindle is less easy
[03:30:58] <miss0r> sync: not with that thing anyway :)
[03:32:02] <sync> that is why I got one of those heidenhain presetters
[03:33:26] <miss0r> link ?
[03:34:54] <sync> http://www.heidenhain.de/de_DE/produkte/tastsysteme/werkzeugvermessung/tt-160tt-460/
[03:40:48] <miss0r> sync: I don't quite get it. That thing can see the diameter of the cutting tool? :S
[03:41:17] <sync> it is a 3d probe
[03:41:23] <sync> and the diameter of the hat is known
[03:41:49] <miss0r> ahh indeed. But why would you need that? to account for impresise tools?
[03:42:08] <sync> yes, or to check for wear
[03:42:15] <sync> or rahter reground tools
[03:42:21] <sync> ~rather
[03:42:35] <miss0r> alright. I don't realy use that. And if I did, the mill would have no idea what to do with it :)
[03:47:06] <miss0r> A friend of mine works on some massively expensive 5-axis micron/mikron mills. with a robot feeding two of thoes from a stock library. They have some pretty expensive cameras measuering the tooling on each change, accounting for wear, temperature, and can detect if the mills are broken'n stuff :)
[05:02:38] <Loetmichel_> hrhr, i am amazed... jut happened to run out of mill bits.. so i ordered them wihle Muilling... on the LinuxCNC Pc... "oh, nice youtube video... *play*... i can remember times when that caused loads of step loss.. the CNC Box is only an Athlon X2 64 3200+...
[05:04:49] <Loetmichel_> just, milling
[05:07:32] <SpeedEvil> :)
[05:57:18] <jthornton> morning
[05:58:04] <XXCoder> boo
[05:59:22] <XXCoder> jthornton: printed anything? heh
[05:59:24] <XXCoder> or designed
[05:59:51] <DaViruz> i dont dare having
[05:59:57] <DaViruz> internet connecticity
[06:00:03] <DaViruz> on my cnc boxen
[06:00:21] <DaViruz> stupid keyboard, keep missing space for enter
[06:00:24] <jthornton> no, been busy and have not tried to figure out what is wrong with the printer
[06:00:47] <XXCoder> my room is too cold to print petg now heh
[06:00:58] <XXCoder> 18c
[06:01:10] <XXCoder> 65f for us americans
[06:02:38] <jthornton> put a blanket over the printer
[06:02:46] <XXCoder> lol
[06:03:06] <jthornton> 64f here too
[06:03:27] <XXCoder> I wanna try TPU, Nylon and PMMA
[06:03:33] <jthornton> got the injection pump fixed for my old hoe $280
[06:03:33] <XXCoder> but no idea what to make with those./
[06:03:58] <jthornton> need to put it back on today
[06:04:38] <XXCoder> heh got reminded of old sarah palin pardoning turkey... in front of turkeys being killed... live. :P
[06:05:34] <XXCoder> *old video of
[06:09:38] <jthornton> trying to move some seldom used equipment from the shop to the new shop to make room and now I have a bottle neck at the door lol
[06:10:04] <Tom_L> did you paint yourself into a corner?
[06:11:17] <archivist> moved himself into a corner
[06:13:01] <XXCoder> no worries he has a whole shop!
[06:13:09] <XXCoder> just use saw on wall to escape
[06:13:22] <XXCoder> if already moved that just use ax
[06:13:34] <jthornton> I got the engine hoist to untangle the mess
[06:13:44] <Tom_L> seems to be a pattern here. garage to shop to bigger shop to.....
[06:14:02] <XXCoder> tom half of 3d p[rinting prints seem to be 3d printer or its upgrades.
[06:14:26] <Tom_L> yeah i've noticed that as well
[06:14:45] <archivist> next...3d shop extensions
[06:14:56] <XXCoder> then 3d printe4d shop extensions
[06:15:38] <XXCoder> I predict in week or 2 I will start wearing coat in my room again (around 50f)
[06:16:03] <archivist> fix heating/insulate the room
[06:16:31] <archivist> 10 deg c indoors here
[06:16:50] <XXCoder> cant. 2 concerete walls
[06:16:59] <XXCoder> well 3/4 concerete anyway
[06:17:17] <XXCoder> my room is little less than 3/4 way in ground
[06:17:34] <SpeedEvil> I simply covered all the walls in foam.
[06:17:38] <SpeedEvil> and ceiling and floor
[06:17:46] <XXCoder> padded cell eh
[06:17:52] <_methods> i just moved to where its warmer
[06:17:56] <SpeedEvil> PIR/PUR rigid foam
[06:17:58] <XXCoder> you sure you did it and not them nice folks witg free coat
[06:18:34] <XXCoder> interesting
[06:19:20] <archivist> you can get foam board with a layer of plasterboard for a quick job
[06:20:20] <archivist> I had my wall cavity filled this year, so should be warmer this winter
[06:20:32] <XXCoder> nice
[06:20:55] <archivist> a present from .gov :)
[06:21:05] <XXCoder> last oct was second warmest ever. the record run finally broke. but the reason is not very good. :( ice was still melting in oct so it cooled
[06:23:41] <sync> 22.9°C in here, still feels a little chilly
[06:58:45] <Loetmichel_> DaViruz: wimp. no risk no fun ;)
[07:53:03] <XXCoder> north pole is 35 degrees warmer than normal. :(
[07:53:13] <XXCoder> no wonder ice is still melting
[09:24:32] <AndChat|234416> morning
[09:25:56] <archivist> someone should name him/her self
[09:26:07] <_methods> morning AndChat|234416
[09:26:41] <archivist> /nick sensiblename
[09:28:26] <MacGalempsy> lol
[09:28:28] <MacGalempsy> ok
[09:28:29] <_methods> hehe
[09:28:59] <MacGalempsy> Andchat1234 is not sensible?
[09:29:45] <MacGalempsy> lol. yesterday was a disaster
[09:30:05] <MacGalempsy> melted my furnace burner connections
[09:31:51] <MacGalempsy> however, until i turned the air down to lean the mixture and it got too hot
[09:32:39] <MacGalempsy> it worked great with a standard propane regulator
[09:32:40] <Jymmm> connections?!
[09:32:51] <Jymmm> you melted the rubber hose?
[09:33:14] <MacGalempsy> lol. no the abs t
[09:33:32] <Jymmm> ABS?! wtf are you using abs in a furnance for?
[09:33:54] <MacGalempsy> https://flic.kr/p/P3uXxS
[09:34:25] <MacGalempsy> in the test run the aluminum injection port stayed 20c
[09:34:31] <Jymmm> Again... wtf are you using abs in a furnance for?
[09:34:32] <MacGalempsy> for like 5hrs
[09:34:37] <MacGalempsy> not in
[09:34:50] <Jymmm> in on whatever
[09:35:13] <MacGalempsy> its called experimenting and it was working until the conditions were wrong
[09:35:37] <Jymmm> 2000+ degrees and abs is not an experiment,
[09:35:53] <MacGalempsy> it was not in the hearth
[09:36:29] * Jymmm makes note: Keep MacGalempsy the fuck away from anything not safety rated for a 3yo
[09:36:37] <MacGalempsy> Jymmm you see the pic?
[09:37:15] <MacGalempsy> how is your furnace going?
[09:37:25] <Jymmm> yep, too small of a fan, pc, abs... NO! BAD MacGalempsy <smacks with newspaper on the nose>
[09:37:50] <MacGalempsy> that was the old fan. the new on is ac 107cfm
[09:38:25] <Jymmm> When you get to 900 CFM @ 6" WC, let me know.
[09:38:53] <MacGalempsy> it puts out enough air, but the new air injector manifold will be alum
[09:39:43] <Jymmm> k
[09:40:02] <MacGalempsy> what have you been up to this week?
[09:40:51] <Jymmm> Coming up with ways to heat the shop
[09:41:46] <MacGalempsy> an array of 300w light bulbs?
[09:41:56] <MacGalempsy> on a 1' grid
[09:42:06] <MacGalempsy> and ceiling fans
[09:42:44] <Jymmm> No more like between a barrel stove,
http://www.sportsmansguide.com/product/index/hq-issue-outdoor-wood-stove?a=1884248, 60K BTU forced air propane heater
[09:43:01] <Jymmm> and creating a thermal mass heater.
[09:43:48] <Jymmm> I just wish hydrogen wasnt so darn explosive ;)
[09:44:01] <MacGalempsy> that looks good.
[09:44:19] <MacGalempsy> :) mix it with carbons to tone it down
[09:44:35] <Jymmm> MacGalempsy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSZXxRKLfJ8
[09:45:45] <Jymmm> MacGalempsy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oe6tA4c0JBs
[09:45:45] <MacGalempsy> got the new catalog this week. they got all kinds of heaters in there
[09:46:44] <MacGalempsy> do you keep an eye on the craigslist freebies?
[09:46:53] <Jymmm> Well they dont sell that to CA WA. I had to contact their attorney and it will be available to buy and ship to Calif later today.
[09:47:42] <MacGalempsy> CA law too strict huh?
[09:48:47] <Jymmm> Well, THEY miscatagorized it. It's not EPA (federal) approved, so not CARB (state) approved as a "residential" wood stove, but it's not a "residentail, it's an OUTDOOR stove
[09:49:08] <MacGalempsy> ha!
[09:50:02] <MacGalempsy> you may gave increased their sales on that item
[09:50:13] <MacGalempsy> gave = have
[09:50:25] <Jymmm> Even theri "escalations" dept blew me off trying to get it. I ordered and paid for it off amazon, and they canceled the order.
[09:51:09] <Jymmm> Oh yeah, I know I have. I want a serious discount for going thru all this grief
[09:51:16] <MacGalempsy> did it arrive yet?
[09:51:30] <Jymmm> It won't be availabel to order till later today.
[09:51:40] <MacGalempsy> lol
[09:51:55] <Jymmm> they have to remove the restriction to calif from their system first
[09:52:05] <MacGalempsy> its a mission. see what stress living in CA causes?
[09:52:41] <Jymmm> I think wiping my ass will be illegal in Kommifornia soon enough
[09:53:10] <Jymmm> MacGalempsy: Are you in KR currently?
[09:53:20] <MacGalempsy> AR
[09:53:28] <Jymmm> oh
[09:53:38] <Jymmm> nm then
[09:53:42] <gonzo_> if it costs them more in time tp handle it than you take in raising it. You win
[09:53:51] <MacGalempsy> i grew up in CA and lived there for 28yrs
[09:54:27] <MacGalempsy> been gone 10 yrs now
[09:54:32] <Jymmm> gonzo_: Say that again, this time in an EARTH language please.
[09:55:22] <MacGalempsy> think he means more time than money then you win
[09:55:35] <MacGalempsy> because time is free
[09:56:22] <Jymmm> ah. Well time is never free, just some might have more time than money =)
[09:56:23] <MacGalempsy> here in AR you can do just about anything
[09:56:31] <MacGalempsy> yeah
[09:56:55] <Jymmm> MacGalempsy: Like... "Here, hold my beer"
[09:57:00] <MacGalempsy> i saw missouri passed no permit concealed carry
[09:57:22] <Jymmm> really? cool!
[09:57:48] <MacGalempsy> exactly. if you try to repair your home, no permits required in most county jurisdictions
[09:58:36] <Jymmm> They repair their homes using guns?
[09:58:41] <gonzo_> Jymmm, I menat if chasing them to sort something out uses more of their time than yours, you win
[09:58:45] <gonzo_> meant
[09:59:00] <MacGalempsy> ive trimmed branches at the fishing hole with a shotgun
[09:59:26] <gonzo_> (sorry, bad typing and very big VNC delay, so i only see whgat I've typed, 10sec after I hit rtn)
[09:59:58] <Jymmm> gonzo_: Well, I suppose. But if thery were not the only exclsive seller of this stove, I would have never made the effort to persuit it. Bad damn if I didn't get so much opposition in this
[10:00:12] <Jymmm> s/bad/but/
[10:00:39] <gonzo_> i did like the front page add on that sportsmansguide site, 'give the gift of firepower'. Which shooting was as easy in the UK
[10:01:06] <gonzo_> wish
[10:01:16] <Jymmm> gonzo_: I wish you poor bastards could even carry a pocket knife (3" or better) without going to jail.
[10:01:52] <gonzo_> you know, they even banned a type of air pistol.
[10:02:22] <gonzo_> a mandatory 5yrs jail for owning a <6ftlb puff-gun
[10:02:43] <Jymmm> they are trying to regulate the sale of ammo... you must be REGISTERED and limited purchases if it passes
[10:02:49] <MacGalempsy> possesion of air pistols in neopolic times carried the death penalty
[10:03:05] <Jymmm> gonzo_: 5 years WTF?!
[10:03:35] <gonzo_> any FA offences have a 5yr penalty
[10:03:43] <Jymmm> ah
[10:03:57] <MacGalempsy> there are .50 cal airguns that are made for hunting
[10:04:01] <Jymmm> so they are calllsifying air as firearms *sigh*
[10:04:07] <gonzo_> technically, own one rnd of 22lr more than your allowance ....
[10:04:30] <Jymmm> you can have a 22 ?
[10:04:56] <MacGalempsy> with a silencer for courtesy?
[10:05:02] <Jymmm> lol
[10:05:05] <gonzo_> any barreled weapon is a firearm. Some exemptions for <12ftlb air rifles, and some antiques
[10:05:41] <Jymmm> a .22lr is not an air rifle though
[10:05:43] <gonzo_> you can have rifles, in single shot (or semi in 22lr) if you have a good reason and a licence
[10:05:56] <Jymmm> is that hard to get?
[10:06:14] <gonzo_> interestingly, silencers are no prob. Just say health and safety and you are fine
[10:06:22] <Jymmm> haha
[10:07:06] <gonzo_> you have to have land that youi can shoot over and the police will assess it for sutability/safety (UK is a crowded place), or be a member of a .gov approved target shooring club
[10:08:11] <Jymmm> k
[10:08:24] <gonzo_> there are actually some old laws that allow you to have 22lr rifles without any controls, if you have a range. But the police are really keep to pressure people not to do that
[10:08:24] <MacGalempsy> so is it impossible for city folk to be recreational shooters?
[10:08:57] <MacGalempsy> oh .gov clubs
[10:09:39] <gonzo_> when I say have land, I mean have access to land, rather than owning it. So you can drive out to somewhere to shoot. And there are a reasonable number of ranges around
[10:10:17] <gonzo_> the clubs are civilian, but that have to have a setup/committee/training that is .gov approved
[10:10:38] <MacGalempsy> basically here the restrictions are on silencers, automatic fire, and a permit to conceal carry a pistol
[10:11:16] <MacGalempsy> other than that all is fair. on no explosive rounds
[10:11:19] <gonzo_> still better than we get
[10:12:17] <gonzo_> pistols were banned (well pretty much) about 20yrs ago. And there has never been any sort of carry permission for defence
[10:12:20] <JT-Shop> dang hoe runs better than it ever has with the rebuilt injection pump
[10:12:36] <MacGalempsy> definately no restrictions on residential stoves!
[10:12:48] <gonzo_> stuff has to be ocked/zipped up and unloaded when carried to/from a shoot
[10:13:10] <gonzo_> we probably do better on stoves!
[10:13:14] <MacGalempsy> hi JT-Shop
[10:15:28] <JT-Shop> hi mac
[10:16:55] <MacGalempsy> prepping another shop location?
[10:18:13] <JT-Shop> need to get the drains in for the shop and finish a retaining wall... the hoe died just as I finished up the big dig
[10:21:05] <MacGalempsy> how long was it down
[10:24:17] <JT-Shop> down since 8/5/16 the day they poured the concrete
[10:28:45] <MacGalempsy> good luck on the dig. are you still digging the 3d printer?
[10:29:28] <Jymmm> "The ho died on the big dig" <--- CLASSIC lmao
[10:55:40] <Jymmm> What does the 'm' represent? ---> Btu/lbm F
[10:59:27] <corexylurker> any ideas if grbl would compile and run on an esp8266 instead of arduino uno etc?
[11:04:21] <archivist> use linuxcnc!
[11:05:37] <Jymmm> corexylurker: Wow, you are REALLY reaching there... wifi motion controller?!
[11:06:05] <Jymmm> USB latency is bad enough, then add RF?!
[11:11:51] <MacGalempsy> sweet. the 4th axis encoder just came in
[11:13:30] <corexylurker> Jymmm: no.. the esp8266 as the controller itself
[11:13:43] <corexylurker> its quite a bit faster than an arduino uno :P
[11:13:49] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LBM Pound (mass) (lbm, sometimes lbm and most often just lb)
[11:14:06] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: ah, ty
[11:14:29] <Jymmm> corexylurker: So, you just using the esp itself, but NOT for it's wifi capabilities?
[11:14:55] <corexylurker> could have embeded webpage for controlling it too
[11:15:44] <Jymmm> no comment on that, but I wouldn't see why anruidno code wouldn't run on esp,
[11:16:06] <Jymmm> maybe suckly though =)
[11:20:39] <JT-Shop> MacGalempsy: this is the first time the ole hoe cranked up with the trottle in the idle position :)
[11:21:33] <DaViruz> is there a way to prevent axis from disabling manual spindle control during program run_
[11:24:24] <DaViruz> i could force it via HAL, but i would want an M5 to still stop the spindle after ive forced it on
[11:26:38] <cradek> what kind of operation are you trying to do?
[11:26:56] <DaViruz> re-cutting segments on a waterjet
[11:27:40] <DaViruz> the "run from here" feature is nice, though sometimes it's impractical to start before the nearest M3
[11:28:26] <cradek> still trying to understand
[11:29:02] <cradek> what do you do, then what happens that is wrong, and what do you want to happen instead?
[11:29:44] <MacGalempsy> JT-Shop: amazing what proper fuel mixed will do!
[11:31:05] <DaViruz> cradek: i wouldn't say anything is wrong, i'm trying to force new behaviour.
[11:32:04] <DaViruz> say the machine has cut out a shape but missed a short bit due to a problem with the abrasive feed or whatever. i want to be able to go back before that G1 segment, start running the program, and enable the spindle output manually during program run
[11:32:36] <cradek> oh so while it's moving, running some gcode, you want to manually turn the spindle on and off?
[11:32:41] <DaViruz> yeah
[11:32:52] <cradek> hmm
[11:33:10] <DaViruz> really i want to set M3, so that it will stop the "spindle" when it reaches an M5 automatically
[11:33:44] <cradek> brute force solution would be a hand/off/auto switch
[11:34:03] <DaViruz> presently i have a pyvcp button that just forces the output pin, but that can be a little risky if it rapids somewhere after the g1 movement
[11:34:39] <cradek> maybe you should be single stepping in these situations to avoid that?
[11:34:46] <cradek> I'm not picturing a good solution
[11:34:51] <archivist> or add some logic
[11:34:54] <DaViruz> starting the code before the closests M3 works too, but in practice that can be several hours back, and several kg of abrasive..
[11:35:09] <DaViruz> closest*
[11:35:25] <cradek> maybe you should have more M3s in your gcode
[11:35:29] <cradek> you can have redundant ones
[11:35:33] <DaViruz> hm
[11:35:53] <DaViruz> i dunno of the guys CAM can do that
[11:35:59] <DaViruz> (it's not really my machine)
[11:36:11] <DaViruz> i suppose it could be done with one of those load filters
[11:36:21] <cradek> in a pinch you could always edit the gcode and put one where you need it?
[11:36:28] <DaViruz> if the line contains G1 and not M5, insert M3
[11:36:38] <cradek> but having them at the start of every feature sounds smart
[11:36:48] <cradek> so you're designing the gcode to be restartable in smart places
[11:37:12] <cradek> I sure write gcode that way (make it restartable at tool changes and other smart places)
[11:37:15] <DaViruz> that'd probably be easiest, andbest..
[11:37:47] <DaViruz> i was thinking of changing the run from here-function to run the selected line, then an M3, and then continue. though i don't know if that's even possible
[11:38:02] <cradek> certainly not easy
[11:38:23] <DaViruz> i haven't looked at the code, so i'm not sure how reasonable an undertaking it is
[11:38:48] <MacGalempsy> CaptHindsight: have you used nanoDLP software before?
[11:38:56] <DaViruz> i think i'll have a look at modifying the guys post processor to be more liberal with M3's, thanks for the tip
[11:43:28] <CaptHindsight> MacGalempsy: haven't bothered
[11:45:18] <CaptHindsight> MacGalempsy: all the ARM distros are as broken as ...
[12:00:17] <Jymmm> Could a single sheet of 5/8 drywall weight 70 lbs ?
[12:01:56] <Tom_L> why not?
[12:02:02] <SpeedEvil> Do the numbers.
[12:02:08] <SpeedEvil> 2.4 square meters, 30kg
[12:02:34] <SpeedEvil> 12kg/m^2, so if it's the density of water, and 12mm thick, yes
[12:02:50] <Jymmm> IWell, I was wondering if it was those "two packs" or not, doens't say but the pic kinda looks like it is...
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Sheetrock-Firecode-Core-5-8-in-x-4-ft-x-8-ft-Gypsum-Board-14211011308/100321591
[12:03:05] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: need stronger arms? Get one of those sheetrock lifts or build one from 2x4's
[12:03:22] <Tom_L> 73.92 lbs
[12:03:38] <SpeedEvil> Or use the small boards.
[12:03:43] <Jymmm> top-right corner, looks like a "two pack"
http://www.homedepot.com/catalog/productImages/1000/2d/2dbf550b-1f1e-4c40-bbed-5ef189af36a2_1000.jpg
[12:03:56] <Tom_L> unless it came from china where there are huge air pockets in it
[12:04:10] <_methods> like Jymmm's brain
[12:04:17] <Tom_L> or mixed with radioactive lead
[12:04:25] <_methods> also like Jymmm's brain
[12:04:29] <CaptHindsight> http://drywall101.com/en/articles/hanging/weight_of_drywall
[12:04:32] <Tom_L> xactly
[12:04:35] <Jymmm> I just want to know if the two pack is 70lbs, or is that "per sheet"
[12:05:03] <Tom_L> per sheet of 5/8" drywall weighs 73.92 lbs
[12:05:04] <SpeedEvil> For one to be 30lb, it would need to float.
[12:05:04] <CaptHindsight> per sheeeeet
[12:05:22] <_methods> http://drywall101.com/en/articles/hanging/weight_of_drywall
[12:05:29] <Tom_L> Jymmm do they come in 6 packs too?
[12:05:37] <_methods> 1 sheet 70.4 lbs
[12:05:50] <Jymmm> ok, cool. just didn't seem like drywall was "that" heavy
[12:06:07] <Jymmm> Tom_L: for you, 24 packs.
[12:06:20] <Tom_L> regular sheet weighs 51.2 lbs
[12:06:33] <CaptHindsight> is Jymmm's brain from China, now you have me wondering
[12:06:39] <Tom_L> Jymmm yeah man.. it's friday!
[12:06:51] <_methods> heheh
[12:07:24] <Jymmm> wth does china have to do with anything?
[12:07:25] <Tom_L> break it up in chunks and sell it for meth
[12:07:39] <Tom_L> they make shitty sheetrock
[12:07:43] <Tom_L> and everything else
[12:07:50] <Jymmm> and?
[12:08:03] <Tom_L> you asked
[12:08:06] <_methods> you're brain is made from chinese sheetrock
[12:08:13] <_methods> s/you're/your
[12:08:14] <_methods> lol
[12:08:18] <_methods> apparently mine is too
[12:08:21] <Jymmm> um, okeeeeeeeeeeeey
[12:08:33] <Tom_L> why do you need fire rated sheetrock?
[12:08:47] * Jymmm thinks there's a really bad joe in there somewhere, that should have never come to light.
[12:08:53] <Jymmm> joke*
[12:09:09] <Jymmm> aka... dont quit your day job
[12:09:42] <Tom_L> i have a day job??
[12:12:11] <CaptHindsight> you may also use 2 layers of 3/8" or 1/4" + 3/8" to meet fire code
[12:13:25] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Not hanging it, just seeing it's volume as a thermal mass
[12:14:53] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: concrete is cheaper and you can shape it
[12:15:08] <SpeedEvil> Or sand
[12:15:27] <CaptHindsight> yeah they use sand at beaches
[12:15:45] <Tom_L> since when?
[12:15:51] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: the specific heat of gypsum is higher than concrete or sand
[12:16:05] <Tom_L> black sand or white?
[12:16:16] <CaptHindsight> does it matter?
[12:16:23] <Tom_L> it probably does
[12:16:24] <Jymmm> and actually cement is higher than concrete
[12:16:34] <CaptHindsight> all sand colors matter
[12:17:22] <SpeedEvil> Also - per volume and per kg
[12:17:47] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: what specific heat are you looking for?
[12:17:49] <SpeedEvil> Lithium is almost as high as water, due to its lightness
[12:18:27] <SpeedEvil> volumetric specific heat is almost a constant for solids
[12:18:40] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: 14K would be nice, but I dont want to blow myself up =)
[12:19:00] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: if you do be sure to post the video
[12:19:31] <CaptHindsight> http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/specific-heat-capacity-d_391.html
[12:19:36] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Sure =)
[12:21:09] <CaptHindsight> http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/specific-heat-capacity-d_339.html
[12:30:55] <IchGucksLive> hi
[12:31:04] <jesseg> The manual for this mill says it takes 10 to 15 minutes to change the speed (it's a wide-belt variator type continuous speed control)
[12:31:11] <jesseg> is that supposed to be 10-15 seconds?
[12:31:22] <Tom_L> i would hope so
[12:31:43] <Jymmm> jesseg: is it two miles long or wide?
[12:32:06] <Tom_L> tall
[12:32:07] <CaptHindsight> IchGucksLive: did that guy from France solve his problem yesterday?
[12:32:22] <IchGucksLive> i dont kow
[12:32:29] <jesseg> Jymmm, lol beats me. It's an Atrump K2V. Has a little crank that adjusts the speed
[12:32:43] <IchGucksLive> he speeks no english at all and has no linux so NO
[12:32:57] <jesseg> poor fellow
[12:33:41] <CaptHindsight> is France still taking in refugees from the USA? :)
[12:34:38] <IchGucksLive> They dont want donald
[12:35:33] <CaptHindsight> what sane person does?
[12:36:12] <Tom_L> the odds were stacked against us
[12:38:16] <IchGucksLive> Q can i compile a LCNC SIM for a 14.04 64Bit
[12:44:32] <pcw_home> RT linuxcnc work fine on 14.04 so sim should be fine also
[12:45:35] <pcw_home> RT LinuxCNC also works on 16.04 but there are few small bugs left
[12:47:07] <pcw_home> also works on Mint 17, Mint 18 has the same few Ubuntu 16.04 bugs
[12:48:02] <IchGucksLive> is there a page for bulding RT on 14.04 32bit
[12:48:18] <IchGucksLive> or just follow the 12.04 guide
[12:48:47] <IchGucksLive> the simulator doesent work on 12.04 camotics
[12:48:51] <CaptHindsight> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1598276649/xshifter-worlds-first-universal-wireless-smart-shi?ref=home_popular
[12:49:20] <pcw_home> not sure, I just built the uspace version from source and used Preempt-RT
[12:49:27] <miss0r> Feeling lucky :) A friend of mine was just over, handing me an indexable endmill. 20mm diameter, 4 "flutes". With aditional 30 inserts
[12:50:29] <miss0r> realy tiny inserts can't be more than 5-6 mmx 4mm
[12:51:35] <IchGucksLive> thanks cpcw
[12:52:51] <IchGucksLive> pcw_home: someone shoudt make a livecd
[12:54:10] <miss0r> I seem to remember having used one at some point in time. it lets you try it, then you have an icon for installing
[12:55:00] <pcw_home> CaptHindsight: I think they should do the brakes next
[12:56:43] <CaptHindsight> why not the whole bike?
[12:57:02] <CaptHindsight> then I can ride to work at home from my phone
[12:57:14] <IchGucksLive> Oh tere is a Depency low latency packet for RT in 14.04 -> sudo apt-get install linux-lowlatency
[13:01:56] * JT-Shop makes a new rule, things smaller than a mill or lathe and too heavy to pick up will have wheels or be pallet jack ready
[13:03:18] <IchGucksLive> JT-Shop: today i got 4 student classes in the shop to get a glimp of there future work ;-)
[13:03:45] <CaptHindsight> I'm waiting for the day that I can do everything from my phone
[13:05:16] <IchGucksLive> not that far away
[13:05:31] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: You will have been assimilated, you are borg. --skynet
[13:05:35] <IchGucksLive> Tablet CNC workes fine
[13:06:18] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: How do oyu pallet ready a side of beef for the smoker?
[13:06:29] <Jymmm> drive-thru smoker???
[13:06:51] <Jymmm> If so, I'll be there is 20 minutes!!!
[13:12:02] <jesseg> Is it typical for a bridgeport style knee mill to have a safety stop if you run the automatic quill feed to the top, or does it just break something?
[13:13:01] <CaptHindsight> https://ibin.co/32QtCNIWmqEM.jpg oh no winter is here
[13:14:37] <jesseg> CaptHindsight, sure does look that way
[13:17:28] <CaptHindsight> so looks like 15 minutes of fall this year
[13:23:22] <IchGucksLive> Jymmm: pulled pork is the best to get in french bread
[13:24:27] <IchGucksLive> Gn8
[13:27:46] <Nick-Shop> <jesseg> the older bridgeports will stop the quill feed when it gets to the top-older meaning bridgeport servo feed on the table
[13:28:22] <Nick-Shop> the knockoffs- better check on that
[13:35:51] <nubcake> hi
[13:40:20] <jesseg> Nick-Shop, I'm not sure I understand your statement. I appreciate the effort! But I'm talking about the quill feed -- it's geared off the spindle, and you can set it to run the quill up or down. Down has an adjustable nut that kicks out the quill drive, so when it goes to the set depth, it kicks off the quill feed.
[13:41:20] <jesseg> Nick-Shop, but what about up-ward drive - is it safe to let it drive all the way up, or do they typically kick out on that end of travel as well?
[13:41:38] <jesseg> I'm not talking about the table feed or anything :)
[13:43:29] <Jymmm> (he lies)
[13:44:08] <Nick-Shop> table feed was to indicate the age of the BP- The quill feed has up and down feed. When it goes up, at the top there is a non adjustable pin that kicks the feed out.
[13:48:30] <jesseg> Nick-Shop, ahh gotcha. Thanks! The one in question is actually an Atrump bridgeport clone, it has an X feed motor on the table with some little stops to set how far it feeds or something
[13:49:02] <jesseg> but it makes sense that it would also have a stop kicker pin at the top of travel since it can power feed either way
[13:49:17] <jesseg> Thanks guys!
[14:07:56] <Cromaglious_> anyone have a working gmoccapy ini and hal file using a parallel BOB?
[14:09:26] <Nick-Shop> <jesseg> Given that you have a clone, I would check online for more info or a repair - parts manual to make sure it has the top kickout pin. This is how the foreigners save money.
[14:09:33] <JT-Shop> I'm sure someone does but it won't fit your machine
[14:12:34] <Nick-Shop> Just to see if it even has that feature - worry about parts when something breaks. :-)
[14:37:29] <Jymmm> How do you calculate the "hole" to create a flange for a 4" pipe that will couture to the side of a 55gallon drum?
[14:39:05] <XXCoder> I know theres folumbia for that, needs how far offset and what angle so on
[14:39:12] <XXCoder> but I cant recall what its called
[14:40:43] <Jymmm> Well, figure a drum is 24" diameter (apx)
[14:41:07] <XXCoder> I see some people on youtube just use paper trace
[14:41:43] <Jymmm> like draw a 4" circle on paper, then tape it to barrel?
[14:43:36] <XXCoder> its more like tear drop
[14:43:52] <XXCoder> it should look like plain circle when correctly viewed
[14:43:58] <Jymmm> teardrop or oval?
[14:44:17] <XXCoder> teardrop if its angled into edge of barrel
[14:44:49] <Jymmm> No, for stovepipe, so at a right angle
[14:45:08] <XXCoder> was thinking vaccum system for some reason
[14:45:16] <XXCoder> oval possible
[14:45:29] <XXCoder> basically project circle on barrel
[14:45:32] <XXCoder> it will deform
[14:46:14] <Jymmm> yeah, but need to weld it up =)
[14:47:07] <gregcnc> development
[14:48:04] <XXCoder> from what I see most just use drill that makes big hole
[14:48:14] <XXCoder> just keep aligned and it will make correct shape
[14:49:02] <XXCoder> then fit pipe in, mark cutoff
[14:51:39] <gregcnc> http://www.joshuanava.biz/engineering-3/development-of-patterns-from-sheet-materials.html
[14:55:40] <_methods> https://archive.org/details/universalsheetme00neub
[14:56:10] <_methods> hardcore sheetmetal book
[14:56:11] <XXCoder> fancy
[14:56:30] <XXCoder> wow I can't read today :P
[14:56:42] <XXCoder> probably due to 2 hours sleep today
[14:57:01] <_methods> https://archive.org/details/layingoutforboil00newy
[14:57:07] <_methods> taht's a good one too
[14:57:22] <_methods> boiler oriented but still a great reference
[14:59:39] <_methods> https://archive.org/details/xxthcenturysheet00osbo
[14:59:56] <_methods> that one is pretty good too with sheet metal projects in it too
[15:00:42] <_methods> oh nm that's not the one with the projects in it
[15:00:50] <_methods> i'll have to try and find that one
[15:00:57] <CaptHindsight> just use caulk, the universal gasket maker
[15:01:12] <_methods> Jymmm knows caulk
[15:03:04] * Jymmm slaps a used caulk cover over _methods, you know, for protection.
[15:03:46] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: can you print out the template or do you need some kind of nail, shoestring and crayon solution?
[15:04:52] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: I think I figured out a way to do it... Draw a 24" circle, draw a 4" wide rectangle, overlap the two and go from there.
[15:09:57] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: I could totally be wrong too, but eh =)
[15:11:07] <CaptHindsight> 4" pipe right into the side of a 55gal drum?
[15:11:18] <CaptHindsight> 4" hole saw
[15:11:19] <Jymmm> yep
[15:11:45] <Jymmm> No, I need to make a flange for a 4" pipe
[15:12:06] <Cromaglious_> sounds like a C.A.D. problem... Cardboard aided Design
[15:12:18] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight:
http://vogelzang.com/image/cache/data/50FC-1000x1000.JPG
[15:12:30] <CaptHindsight> got it
[15:12:53] <XXCoder> just design it in cad, 3d print it, smooth it then use it for casting
[15:12:54] <Jymmm> Cromaglious_: that too
[15:17:43] * JT-Shop has that formula some place...
[15:23:22] <JT-Shop> Jymmm:
http://chestofbooks.com/crafts/metal/Metal-Pattern/images/Fig-343-A-T-Joint-between-Pipes-of-Different-Diameters.jpg
[15:26:17] <_methods> you want one of us to make a dxf for you Jymmm ?
[15:26:28] <_methods> model it up for you
[15:26:51] <_methods> you going into a 55gal drum right?
[15:30:33] <CaptHindsight> imperial or US gallons?
[15:31:49] <_methods> what OD/ID for the flange?
[15:32:08] <_methods> oh 4"
[15:50:59] <_methods> hmm that was actually a little more challenging than i thought it would be in sw
[15:52:48] <_methods> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/23537674/Flat-Pattern%20-%20flangeflat.DXF
[16:17:59] <JT-Shop> draw a circle above the pipe then cut up to next and print that view
[16:28:33] <Deejay> gn8
[16:51:08] <Kinder-Pingvi> hi guys! I have obtain mesa 7i92 ethernet card and want to try it with linuxcnc but I'm beginner in it and cannot find step-by-step instruction how to configure my ethernet card mesa 7i92 with my linux
[16:52:06] <Kinder-Pingvi> Of course I have configured network settings, read mesaflash manual how to write firmware to my card, it's ok.
[17:11:15] <FloppyDisk525> Jt put this up sometime ago:
http://paste.ubuntu.com/15749702/
[17:11:54] <FloppyDisk525> I think you need to change to uspace (user space) and the preempt real time kernal. Look for that on the wiki or forum, I don't know how to do that...
[17:12:00] <pcw_mesa> Kinder-Pingvi: its more a matter of configuring LinuxCNC for the 7I92
[17:12:02] <pcw_mesa> You need to install the uspace version of linuxcnc first
[17:12:18] <FloppyDisk525> https://forum.linuxcnc.org/forum/27-driver-boards/29272-ok-i-m-lost-completly-mesa-7i92
[17:12:29] <FloppyDisk525> Here's a forum link from PCW and others...
[17:12:52] <pcw_mesa> theres a package you can add for that, the uspace package for wheezy pulls in the proper kernel
[17:13:23] <Kinder-Pingvi> yes, uspace version already installed
[17:13:40] <Kinder-Pingvi> Linux max-R530-R730 3.2.0-4-rt-686-pae #1 SMP PREEMPT RT Debian 3.2.82-1 i686 GNU/Linux
[17:14:22] <pcw_mesa> Also I woudl set the 7I92 to use its EEPROM IP address (10.10.10.10)
[17:14:57] <Kinder-Pingvi> Does it is mandatory to use 10.10.10.10 IP address? I have my 7I92 on 192.168.1.121 .
[17:16:01] <pcw_mesa> Its not mandatory but the 192,168.1.121 address often overlaps local network address space
[17:16:59] <pcw_mesa> (which is not a good thing)
[17:17:23] <Kinder-Pingvi> Oh right. So I need firstly to change IP address using mesaflash on my card and then reconfigure my eth0 to 10.10.10.* ?
[17:17:40] <pcw_mesa> well it is a good thing for initial setup, but not for final real time operation
[17:18:02] <pcw_mesa> you dont need to use mesaflash, just move W6 up
[17:18:30] <pcw_mesa> (and power cycle the 7I92)
[17:19:00] <pcw_mesa> the default EEPROM IP address is 10.10.10.10
[17:19:51] <Tom_L> Jymmm,
http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/temp/Drum_flange.jpg
[17:19:56] <Tom_L> you need it rolled out flat?
[17:19:57] <pcw_mesa> suggest configuring you RT Ethernet to 10.10.10.1
[17:22:11] <Kinder-Pingvi> It's changed. Now I can ping my 7i92 with 10.10.10.10 IP
[17:23:41] <Kinder-Pingvi> But here I'm stuck. Where and how I can configure my 7i92 to use it with linux cnc? Where I can write IP address my card or something else? I have configuration files from 5i25 (one friend said me that my 7i92 is the same that 5i25 but the difference is that in my card uses ethernet)
[17:25:33] <pcw_mesa> man hm2_eth
[17:25:33] <andypugh> You could try using PNCConf to create a 5i25 configuration, then edit it to change the pin names.
[17:26:17] <andypugh> Kinder-Pingvi: Do you have LinuxCNC installed?
[17:27:58] <Kinder-Pingvi> andypugh, of course it's installed with uspace kernel. I have already installed OS, using mesaflash wrote firmware. It's ok. Now I'm looking into how to connect my mesa 7i92 to linuxcnc and how it use. It's my first experience with linuxcnc
[17:28:25] <pcw_mesa> yeah those are basically the only differences between a 5i25 config and a 7I92 config (card name and IP address)
[17:30:25] <andypugh> Kinder-Pingvi: It will probably help to get a listing of all the 7i92 pins. So try this:
[17:30:29] <andypugh> Open a terminal
[17:30:31] <andypugh> halrun
[17:30:37] <andypugh> loadrt hostmot2
[17:31:03] <Kinder-Pingvi> done
[17:31:11] <andypugh> loadrt hm2_eth board_ip=10.10.10.1
[17:31:19] <andypugh> show pin
[17:31:22] <andypugh> show param
[17:31:58] <Kinder-Pingvi> board_ip is the IP address of my mesa? Because *.*.10.1 is my PC as host
[17:32:13] <pcw_mesa> (loadrt hm2_eth board_ip=10.10.10.10)
[17:32:23] <andypugh> Right, OK, the board IP address. I came in late
[17:33:11] <andypugh> Copy thise pins and params to a text file somwhere
[17:33:38] <Kinder-Pingvi> hm.. I have some errors...
[17:33:51] <andypugh> Interesting fun errors?
[17:34:01] <Kinder-Pingvi> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23497912/
[17:34:12] <Jymmm> andypugh: ...with sprinkles
[17:35:18] <andypugh> Hmm. A partial success.
[17:35:44] <Kinder-Pingvi> this firmware 7i92_DMMBOB1x2D.bit wrote to my card
[17:36:20] <pcw_mesa> the firmware doesn't really matter at this point
[17:37:07] <pcw_mesa> I think Ive seen that error when something is not kosher with the host network setup
[17:37:35] <Kinder-Pingvi> sorry, guys, for my low competence in it and thanks for your answers.
[17:37:46] <andypugh> https://forum.linuxcnc.org/38-general-linuxcnc-questions/30084-mesa-ethernet-vs-internet-connection seems to suggest doing what has already been done
[17:37:51] <Kinder-Pingvi> hmm.. but I can ping my 10.10.10.10 as well
[17:38:10] <Kinder-Pingvi> and on board 4 leds change number in like as hex
[17:39:18] <andypugh> can you paste the last few dozen lines of dmesg?
[17:39:35] <andypugh> (exit to get out of the halrun session)
[17:40:38] <Kinder-Pingvi> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23497984/
[17:40:45] <Kinder-Pingvi> here is dmesg log
[17:41:40] <andypugh> Hmm, I guess uspace doesn’t log to dmesg.
[17:42:37] <andypugh> Do you see a file /var/log/linuxcnc.log ?
[17:43:02] <Kinder-Pingvi> no linuxcnc.log file in /var/log/
[17:43:41] <Kinder-Pingvi> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23497996/
[17:43:46] <Kinder-Pingvi> here is all files in /var/log/*
[17:43:50] <andypugh> I have run out of competence here, I haven’t used Uspace
[17:45:25] <Tom_L> Jymmm,
http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/temp/Drum_flange1.jpg
[17:45:34] <Kinder-Pingvi> I'll try to restart system. So what about that halrun? Using that command (which you sent upper) it is should shown me real pins and other from 7i92 which I should configure to linuxcnc?
[17:46:29] <pcw_mesa> Yes I just duplicated it here with a 7I92 and DMMBOB firmware
[17:46:56] <andypugh> Yes. You can actually do anything that the HAL file does when starting LinuxCNC live at the command prompt. When I am writing new components and drivers I typically run them in a bare HAL session like that to keep things simple.
[17:48:28] <Kinder-Pingvi> oh understand. So hal file is something like "emulator" of real working device?
[17:48:38] <andypugh> pcw_home: Duplicated the error or duplicated the config?
[17:48:50] <pcw_mesa> no error
[17:49:23] <pcw_mesa> the hal file is what tailors LinuxCNC to the hardware
[17:49:38] <andypugh> Kinder-Pingvi: Not really. HAL is the “Hardware Abstraction Layer” and it is where you map the LinuxCNC inputs and outputs to your hardware inputs and outputs.
[17:50:10] <andypugh> And you can also do a lot to change those signals. (adding them to each other, comparing them, that sort of thing)
[17:50:59] <Kinder-Pingvi> oh right. Understand. So on your opinion what the cause could be with my error? "insmod for hm2_eth failed, returned -1"
[17:52:32] <Kinder-Pingvi> wow... found new error
[17:52:41] <Kinder-Pingvi> after I change IP address to 10.10.10.10
[17:52:42] <andypugh> So LinuxCNC will create a pin axis.0.motor-pos-cmd and then you can choose to connect that to a PID HAL component for a servo or to a step generator for a stepper. And that step-generator might be in the HAL layer and then be connected to the parallel port. Or, in your case, the step-generator in on the 7i92 so you can just connect the signal (to hm2_7i92.0.stepgen.00.position-cmd ) and it shoild all just work.
[17:53:01] <Kinder-Pingvi> I have this error "$ mesaflash --device 7I92" No 7I92 board found
[17:53:21] <pcw_mesa> Thats correct
[17:53:31] <andypugh> You won’t need to use Mesaflash again. The board is now flashed and ready to go.
[17:54:08] <Kinder-Pingvi> I thought that I can change firmwares when I want it
[17:54:20] <andypugh> Yes, you can.
[17:54:34] <pcw_mesa> if you want to access the card at any address other that the default you must use
[17:54:36] <pcw_mesa> mesaflash --device 7I92 --addr x.x.x.x
[17:54:50] <andypugh> But you need to move jumpers and suchlike. For today you are finished twith Mesaflash.
[17:55:15] <Kinder-Pingvi> oh yes. With --addr 10.10.10.10 it's works
[17:55:46] <pcw_mesa> if you dont supply an address mesaflash assumes 192.168.1.121
[17:56:41] <pcw_mesa> what are your ping times like?
[17:56:49] <Kinder-Pingvi> Does could be the cause of my errors in halrun if my board doesn't connect to anything? It is only connected with ethernet to my pc and with USB to my PC for obtain power and nothing else.
[17:57:07] <pcw_mesa> no
[17:57:26] <Kinder-Pingvi> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23498030/
[17:58:27] <pcw_mesa> the error probably is caused a network setup problem of some kind
[17:58:28] <Kinder-Pingvi> WOW! After re-flashing the command "loadrt hm2_eth board_ip=10.10.10.10" works
[17:58:48] <Kinder-Pingvi> very strange moment
[17:58:56] <pcw_mesa> flashing is not the issue, network setup is
[17:59:22] <pcw_mesa> probably netmangler doing something strange
[17:59:38] <Kinder-Pingvi> probably after ping command arp package scanned my board...
[18:00:12] <Kinder-Pingvi> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23498040/
[18:00:17] <Kinder-Pingvi> here is output in halrun
[18:00:45] <pcw_mesa> hm2_eth: rtapi_app_main: Resource temporarily unavailable (-11)
[18:00:47] <pcw_mesa> Ive seen this before on initial network setup
[18:01:27] <andypugh> Well, that output tells you the physical pinout of the HM2 and you can check that that matches the breakout board
[18:01:53] <Kinder-Pingvi> oh... the next error. Now I have this answer on ping command - "ping: sendmsg: Operation not permitted"
[18:01:56] <andypugh> show pin and show param will tell you what connections you can make in the software layer.
[18:01:58] <pcw_mesa> mesaflash --readhmid will do this also
[18:02:20] <pcw_mesa> you cannot ping the card if the driver has access
[18:02:42] <pcw_mesa> (This is a good idea)
[18:04:30] <Kinder-Pingvi> really it's work. May be I have ran ping command on any terminal and run halrun and it is could be a cause of that errors
[18:04:31] <Kinder-Pingvi> so..
[18:04:57] <pcw_mesa> also if you have a Intel MAC on your PC you should turn off IRQ coalescing
[18:05:10] <Kinder-Pingvi> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23498047/ here is full halrun output with show pin and show param
[18:05:47] <Kinder-Pingvi> I have marvell ethernet. But nice case with IRQ, thanks
[18:07:13] <pcw_mesa> Marvell may be an issue not sure if its OK or not (Intel and Reaktek are ok Broadcom and Atheros no-go)
[18:08:01] <pcw_mesa> (too obscure to have their drivers patched for RT)
[18:09:24] <Kinder-Pingvi> So that's no problem, if it needed I'll change my laptop or PC, that's ok
[18:10:11] <pcw_mesa> Intel MAC:
[18:10:13] <pcw_mesa> PING 10.10.10.10 (10.10.10.10) 56(84) bytes of data.
[18:10:14] <pcw_mesa> 64 bytes from 10.10.10.10: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.105 ms
[18:10:16] <pcw_mesa> 64 bytes from 10.10.10.10: icmp_seq=2 ttl=64 time=0.067 ms
[18:10:18] <pcw_mesa> 64 bytes from 10.10.10.10: icmp_seq=3 ttl=64 time=0.067 ms
[18:10:23] <dioz> nice!
[18:10:36] <dioz> ./exec -o ping -t 10.10.10.10
[18:10:42] <Kinder-Pingvi> What the next step which I should do to have successfully worked board? As I see from that commands in halrun it is give me all gpio and others pins which I should configure ?
[18:10:46] <pcw_mesa> first in longer because of ARP
[18:11:06] <dioz> pcw_mesa: yah maybe
[18:11:16] <dioz> need debug to prove that but sure
[18:11:37] <pcw_mesa> use a existing (say 5I25) hal file as a template
[18:13:48] <Kinder-Pingvi> What I should change in 5i25.hal ? I can send it with pastebin.
[18:14:21] <pcw_mesa> all 5i25 to 7i92...
[18:14:37] <Kinder-Pingvi> As I understand I need to add custom initialization steps for my connected through ethernet 7i92?
[18:15:16] <Kinder-Pingvi> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23498082/
[18:15:29] <Kinder-Pingvi> here is hal file from 5i25 configuration
[18:15:58] <andypugh> Kinder-Pingvi: You only really need to change line 9 to say “loadrt hm2_eth…."
[18:16:15] <andypugh> And all the “5i25” to “7i92”
[18:16:40] <pcw_mesa> (and the IP address parameter)
[18:17:19] <andypugh> But, be aware that if you want pure GPIO pins you need to turn off some of the stepgens and encoders.
[18:17:57] <andypugh> (Because by default all the pins are “something” such as a step pin, an encoder input etc.
[18:19:21] <andypugh> To demonstrate this to yourself, you can retry the halrun commands with “loadrt hm2_eth board_ip=10.10.10.10 config=“num_stepgens=3, num_encoders=0, num_pwmgens=0” and compare the output
[18:20:55] <andypugh> That sample file, for example, is expecting GPIO pins 16, 19, and 23 to be pure-gpio and not allocated to a function.
[18:23:48] <pcw_mesa> that my well conflict unless you use the same firmware type as the 5i25 config
[18:23:50] <pcw_mesa> (note: DO NOT load any bitfile the does not begin with 7i92_xxx or you will possible brick the 7I92)
[18:24:03] <MarioBrazil> What up boys
[18:24:34] <Kinder-Pingvi> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23498109/ here is the difference
[18:24:37] <MarioBrazil> Any suggestion for a open source customizable cad/cam for a foam cutter ?
[18:24:39] <pcw_mesa> (which specific GPIO pins are free depends on the configuration)
[18:29:58] <Kinder-Pingvi> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23498120/
[18:30:32] <Kinder-Pingvi> I changed hal file in 5i25 configuration and tried to run linuxcnc and it is crashed with that error
[18:32:16] <MacGalempsy> the encoder works! but everytime ove gone to close up the box the connection breaks... fml
[18:32:48] <andypugh> Kinder-Pingvi: Well, you can safely remove probe_parport from the config, you won’t be needing that
[18:32:54] <Kinder-Pingvi> wow.. I see that in config's directory many hal files. Do I need to change all them? Sorry for my noobs question..
[18:33:42] <MacGalempsy> so i put some gasket maker on the cnx and its setting. hopefully i can get on to tuning the 4th axis tonight
[18:33:50] <andypugh> Only the ones in the [HAL] section of the iNI file will be used. And some will work without changes, probably.
[18:35:08] <pcw_mesa> you need to remove the "loadrt probe-parport" statement from the hal file
[18:36:20] <andypugh> Not sure what that was doing there in the first place.
[18:36:48] <Kinder-Pingvi> pcw_home, I have removed commented line "# loadrt probe_parport" and tried to re-run linuxcnc and see this error output:
http://paste.ubuntu.com/23498146/
[18:37:46] <andypugh> HAL: ERROR: function 'hm2_7i92.0.pet_watchdog' not found
[18:38:09] <andypugh> Ah, yes, old-ish config. We no longer have to actively pet the watchdog. You can remove that line too.
[18:38:34] <andypugh> (line 20 in the HAL, I think)
[18:38:50] <pcw_mesa> yeah thats a 2.6 or < config
[18:39:05] <andypugh> Just accept that there is likely to be a lot of this, but you should get further throught he file every time.
[18:41:03] <Kinder-Pingvi> removed line with watchdog. Now I see this error - "./5i25_prob_rfx2.hal:41: parameter or pin 'hm2_7i92.0.stepgen.04.dirsetup' not found"
[18:42:00] <andypugh> How many stepgens did you enable?
[18:46:30] <Kinder-Pingvi> I planned to use four step-motors for X, Y, Z, A. But at this moment nothing connected to 7i92.
[18:47:04] <pcw_mesa> Andy means in the loadrt hm2_eth line
[18:47:59] <Kinder-Pingvi> config="num_stepgens=4,
[18:48:01] <pcw_mesa> if you only enabled 3 or 4, the hm2_7i92.0.stepgen.04.dirsetup pin will not exist
[18:48:34] <andypugh> stepgen.04 is the 5th stepgen, because there is a stepgen.00
[18:50:00] <andypugh> That HAL file, for some reason, is using stepgens 04, 05 and 06
[18:50:38] <andypugh> I think that you probably want to change the 04 to 00, 05 to 01 and 06 so 02.
[18:50:51] <pcw_mesa> I would also do this:
[18:50:53] <pcw_mesa> setp hm2_7i92.0.dpll.01.timer-us -100
[18:50:54] <pcw_mesa> setp hm2_7i92.0.stepgen.timer-number 1
[18:52:51] <pcw_mesa> you could also start with a more sane config (either one of the sample configs of a pncconf created one)
[18:54:24] <Kinder-Pingvi> right! I have changed that what you said and linuxcnc ran
[18:54:37] <Cromaglious_> MarioBrazil, you're wanting to do cones, tapered air foil etc...?
[18:55:04] <Cromaglious_> start checking the RC channels and pages
[18:56:21] <Kinder-Pingvi> andypugh, linuxcnc ran. But when I try enable (F2) it I have errors = "join 0 on limit switch error", "join 1 on limit switch error"
[18:56:45] <MarioBrazil> Sure. I will take a look. Thanks a lot.
[18:57:57] <MarioBrazil> <<Cromaglious> tks a lot.
[18:58:35] <andypugh> Kinder-Pingvi: That is probably because the limit switch inputs are unconnected and float high.
[19:01:23] <Kinder-Pingvi> At the first time I'll not use limit switch inputs. I think the cause of it could be that nothing connected to my board, right?
[19:01:39] <andypugh> Yes, That’s the problem at the moment
[19:02:18] <andypugh> You can comment-out the HAL lines that connect the limit switches to the axis pins
[19:05:05] <pcw_mesa> if you are not using a breakout board, be aware that if you connect any voltage > +7V or less than about -0.5V to the 7I92 I/O pins, you will destroy the FPGA
[19:06:33] <andypugh> hat would be a bad thing, right?
[19:07:12] <pcw_mesa> sometimes it just kills the overloaded pin
[19:07:51] <pcw_mesa> sometimes the whole FPGA gets hot and never works again...
[19:09:25] <Kinder-Pingvi> Thanks for comments!
[19:10:19] <Kinder-Pingvi> andypugh, pcw_home thanks a lot for your help and time, guys! It seems as works.
[19:11:19] <Kinder-Pingvi> Earlier I used mach3 and manually set the begin of scheme. Here in linuxcnc I have error that it's cannot found begin. How I can manually capture begin coordinates?
[19:13:30] <andypugh> Sorry old chap, I can’t quite follow your banter
[19:13:49] <andypugh> It sounds like you might be asking about homing?
[19:14:05] <andypugh> Or setting the coordinate system?
[19:15:54] <Kinder-Pingvi> I mean disable auto-homing and manually set setting the coordinate system
[19:15:58] <Kinder-Pingvi> sorry for my English :)
[19:17:33] <andypugh> If you don’t yet have home-switches then you can edit the INI file [TRAJ] section to include NO_FORCE_HOMING=1
[19:17:46] <Jymmm> Kinder-Pingvi: your english is fine =)
[19:19:11] <andypugh> And then to set the origin of the G-code.
[19:19:26] <andypugh> My comment was based on
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myIB1TrPpTE
[19:19:32] <Jymmm> pcw_mesa: is the fpga pluggable?
[19:19:43] <Jymmm> err socketed
[19:19:54] <pcw_mesa> Ha!
[19:20:32] <Jymmm> pcw_mesa: how many pins?
[19:20:45] <pcw_mesa> there have been no socketable FPGA's for about 20 years
[19:21:33] <pcw_mesa> (well I guess you can still get 20 year old tech with 4000 series or what not)
[19:21:43] <Jymmm> pcw_mesa: how many pins on avg?
[19:21:45] <pcw_mesa> in PLCC
[19:21:48] <andypugh> Kinder-Pingvi: Depending on which GUI you are using, setting the G-code origin can be different, but they all call it “touch off” and have a button to do it with.
[19:21:58] <pcw_mesa> smallest we use is 144 pins
[19:22:59] <CaptHindsight> andypugh: have you seen the Armstrong and Miller : RAF skits?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgcwyI-NlvI&list=PLvgKGKYxp14XtfGjoziAFLvzYYX5VJ07e
[19:24:03] <pcw_mesa> there are some low pin count FPGA's from Lattice (most 0.4 mm pitch BGA so not socketable)
[19:24:49] <Kinder-Pingvi> andypugh, pcw_home, right. So in results I have successfully worked my board with your great help. Thanks a lot for your allotted time and help, guys!!!
[19:24:56] <pcw_mesa> (yes there are BGA sockets but they typically cost more than the chips)
[19:26:03] <andypugh> CaptHindsight: I have seen those. There is a layer of them that is clever because what we now see as quaint RAF Banter would have sounded _exactly_ like current yoof slang to the older generations as the time.
[19:27:51] <pcw_mesa> BBL DT
[19:30:59] <CaptHindsight> andypugh: any recent BBC comedies worth watching?
[19:31:33] <malcom2073_> CaptHindsight: That's pretty good
[19:32:11] <malcom2073_> I like ben Miller, he's much better as a funy guy than serious
[19:33:02] <andypugh> CaptHindsight: Don’t know about recent, have you seen Mitchel and Webb?
[19:33:05] <Roguish> check out 'Chef' and
[19:33:12] <Roguish> 'Red Dwarf'
[19:33:37] <andypugh> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTchxR4suto
[19:33:41] <malcom2073_> I like red dwarf
[19:35:42] <CaptHindsight> andypugh: looks good, I'll have to watch a few
[19:35:49] <CaptHindsight> thanks
[19:36:33] <andypugh> Here’s another good one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oi261__q7gc
[19:36:38] <malcom2073_> Haha freestyle disco
[19:44:21] <CaptHindsight> Mitchell and Webb - American Idol Interview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsgcdH0lA3U
[19:44:28] <CaptHindsight> these are great thanks!
[20:07:20] <andypugh> CaptHindsight: Not new, in fact very old. it is hard to imagine a current BBC comedey programme daring to be in latin :-)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7uuMphhEX8
[20:10:19] <CaptHindsight> ipsum ridiculam
[20:19:07] <jesseg> well I did it.. plopped down $1800 for an old abused Atrump K2v chinesium bridgeport-clone. Actually the ways seem pretty good except the chipped one, but they never in 20 years oiled the quill spline so it's kind of rough LOL... but beggers have to start someplace :D
[20:24:25] <andypugh> Sounds perhaps a little spendy for what you describe?
[20:24:59] <andypugh> Though I guess the spline is no big deal as long as it stilll drives
[20:25:18] <andypugh> And you have a mill, you can make one.
[20:57:08] <jesseg> andypugh, yeah it *is* a little spendy.. but I live in the wilderness of technology.
[20:57:47] <jesseg> so getting good affordable machine tools is a joke. I can find affordable ones, but the truck rental and fuel to drive for hours or days cuts into the savings
[20:58:23] <jesseg> so in this area, I'm not really likely to do much better :P
[20:58:37] <jesseg> I'm hoping some good greasing will get some more life out of the spline
[20:59:01] <jesseg> the mill has ahand pump to oil everything except the spline.. so they didnt' know.. so they just pumped the handle. Everything else is oiluy
[21:01:34] <andypugh> Well, in that case it might be a good buy
[21:04:14] <jesseg> yeah
[21:05:04] <jesseg> they did let me try it out. I stuck a 3/8 flat endmill in it with an R8 collet and stuck a chunk of t hick wall mild steel 2" pipe in the vice and tried it out.
[21:05:29] <jesseg> It did face and side mill really nicely.. very smooth feeling, seemed very solid
[21:05:52] <jesseg> my existing mini shoptask lathe/mill combo unit dances all over the place cutting steel :P
[21:20:26] <tiwake> anyone do their own TiN or similar coating before?
[21:35:32] <ww_> hello, i'm sooo close but I need help for setp index-enable. there is somebody that can help me?
[21:36:30] <andypugh> ww_: Why do you want to setp index-enable?
[21:37:34] <andypugh> More specifically, what problem are you having?
[21:38:17] <andypugh> I only came here to log off…
[21:38:53] <Tom_L> but you're here now!
[21:39:03] <andypugh> Are you still reading the place you asked your question?
[21:39:16] <ww_> i'm configuring a atc that needs spindle proentation. orient works right . but the angle varies between loads of lcnc
[21:39:55] <andypugh> Ah, OK, so you need to home the spindle to the index somewhere in the initialisation?
[21:40:14] <ww_> i manually setp the index-enable of the spindle encoder and works fine but i cant figure how to automate this
[21:40:42] <ww_> right andy
[21:41:20] <ww_> i put the setp in the hal file but it resets on the power on :(
[21:42:05] <andypugh> You could put a “sets” in the HAL file. (assuming that the pin is netted to spindle.index-enable, you can’t setp a pin connected to a signal, but in the case of a biderictional pin you _can_ “sets" the signal.
[21:42:36] <ww_> https://goo.gl/photos/jfuZXmFeZCnhYcUZ7 it almost work
[21:42:39] <andypugh> I do have a plan to add spindle homing to the home sequence.
[21:43:52] <ww_> i already try this but it resets on the cirsr estop
[21:43:59] <andypugh> But that won’t be in until 2.9 at the earliest.
[21:44:37] <andypugh> It shouldn’t reset. What kind of encoder do you have?
[21:45:22] <ww_> first. if i change orient code, is possible to implement a full rotation if not home? is this a good idea? i can try this
[21:45:27] <andypugh> Actally, it’s far too late for me to try to answer this
[21:45:36] <andypugh> (0317 here)
[21:45:59] <ww_> is the output of a yaskawa vfd conected to a mesa card
[21:46:47] <andypugh> Try that experiment. If not, try the mailing list, you get more people reading over a longer time than the IRC.
[21:47:05] <andypugh> I am falling asleep at the keyboard.
[21:47:19] <ww_> ok, i dont want to trouble you. what is the best time to ask this kind of questions?
[22:16:13] <jesseg> I think the channel went to sleep when andypugh did
[22:16:23] <jesseg> matter of fact I'm getting kind of drowsy too :P
[22:44:25] <XXCoder> lol
[22:44:35] <XXCoder> 8 pm here it tend to start getting quiet
[22:44:47] <XXCoder> and basically dead at 11 pm or so
[22:54:01] <Wolf_> yup
[22:54:22] <tiwake> ponies
[22:55:02] <XXCoder> with one horn
[22:55:13] <tiwake> horny ponies
[22:59:52] <tiwake> https://derpibooru.org/826918
[23:01:37] <XXCoder> "The owner of derpibooru.org has configured their website improperly. To protect your information from being stolen, Firefox has not connected to this website."
[23:02:01] <tiwake> what
[23:02:23] <XXCoder> https certifictaion isnt configured correctky
[23:02:40] <tiwake> oh, they don't like people self serving certs
[23:02:47] <tiwake> w/e
[23:02:53] <tiwake> its dumb anyway
[23:03:22] <tiwake> (that is dumb that self-certs are "risky")
[23:03:24] <XXCoder> and now opendns blocks it
[23:05:25] <XXCoder> interesting artwork
[23:07:09] <tiwake> anyway, I'm going to bed
