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[01:45:08] <miss0r> this wazer unit realy looks interresting - desktop cnc water jet cutter.
http://www.wazer.com/
[01:51:05] <SpeedEvil> is that the kickstarter one/
[01:51:20] <SpeedEvil> if so, the cut is very, very slow and it uses a lot of consumables.
[01:52:16] <miss0r> It is the kickstarter one.
[01:52:20] <Leo_> hello. Anyone here knows how the encoder signals of the servo motor is wired to the servo drive and mesa 7i77?
[01:52:50] <miss0r> SpeedEvil: But sure you also find the idea of a desktop sized waterjet cutter appealing?
[01:52:58] <SpeedEvil> yes.
[01:53:25] <SpeedEvil> The problem is as I understand it to get anything that works sanely you need ~10* the power of that device.
[01:53:26] <miss0r> Are there other alternatives at the moment? (not that I could fit/afford one now)
[01:53:37] <SpeedEvil> 'yes'.
[01:53:54] <SpeedEvil> In that for any given cut tehre are probably alternatives.
[01:53:56] <miss0r> in the same envolope size, that is :)
[01:54:20] <miss0r> so at the moment, that is the only water jet in that size?
[01:54:24] <SpeedEvil> diamond wire saw, wire EDM, ...
[01:54:33] <miss0r> sure
[01:55:14] <SpeedEvil> If I remember correctly, cut cost, neglecting any servicing of the machine was ~$2/inch, for many materials
[01:55:33] <SpeedEvil> plasma for metals
[01:55:51] <SpeedEvil> I've recently been looking at EDM wire
[01:55:55] <miss0r> holy sweet jesus!
[01:55:59] <SpeedEvil> And having silly thoughts.
[01:56:41] <miss0r> SpeedEvil: So have I. I started thinking about a "sink EDM". where are you in your thoughts?
[01:58:04] <SpeedEvil> Little XY stage, wire feeder, PSU, probably dump all the metal right down the drain.
[01:59:05] <miss0r> I like your idea. I also did a little thinking about the wire cutter. But my worry is the price of the wire it uses
[01:59:46] <SpeedEvil> The wire is much cheaper than the water cutter in most cases. If you can get the PSU designed right
[02:00:10] <SpeedEvil> And there are patents on how to do the PSU that you can copy
[02:01:15] <miss0r> I am actualy thinking of building a unit like this one:
http://3.imimg.com/data3/LK/PA/MY-4042819/broken-tap-remover-250x250.jpg
[02:01:29] <miss0r> for removing broken taps/ "drilling" in hardened materials.
[02:01:37] <SpeedEvil> that is of course rather easier
[02:01:48] <miss0r> The units I have looked at online are either massively expensive or realy crappy :)
[02:02:34] <miss0r> I have been designing a bit on a pulse EDM power supply. but at the moment I feel in a bit over my hear, in the electronics department
[02:06:04] <archivist> there are some really simple designs that model engineers use for edm drilling
[02:06:47] <miss0r> I have seen the retracting coil system. and the cap discharger model. I must admit just not liking them :)
[02:07:47] <archivist> some use a stepper to retract/advance and a PIC micro
[02:08:52] <archivist> plain cap discharge is quick and easy
[02:09:59] <miss0r> yeah. but I feel I would get more bang for the buck using a high frequenzy pulse
[02:14:12] <archivist> the speed I have seen them bore a hole in stanley blades, not worth any extra effort
[02:15:28] <miss0r> sure. but that is only 1mm thick. What about if you have to bore out a broken tap. say 10-15mm deep
[02:17:01] <archivist> then 10-20 minutes
[02:17:35] <archivist> a saved job, not how fast it is
[02:18:35] <archivist> currently I just go and see a man with one and hand over a small bit of folding paper
[02:20:03] <miss0r> Yeah. I think I could earn some living building one, and perhaps taking it with me on sites, to save stuff
[02:36:15] <Deejay> moin
[05:19:36] <jthornton> morning
[05:21:32] <XXCoder> hey the evil twin
[05:49:49] <Tom_L> morning
[05:59:25] <SpeedEvil> morn
[06:26:35] <The_Ball> got a china 0.1mm drill today:
https://owncloud.wigen.net/index.php/s/7UixdU19NgYOsZQ
[06:26:40] <The_Ball> that's tiny!
[06:28:38] <XXCoder> so tiny it steps down twice
[06:28:43] <archivist> only one?
[06:30:17] <archivist> last time I used drills that small I could see the spring in the spiral as I was feeding into the work
[06:30:40] <The_Ball> archivist, no a ten pack
[06:31:37] <archivist> I was feeding with light finger pressure to drill, was making some gas bleeds
[06:32:45] <The_Ball> Nice to have on hand so I got 0.1-1.2 in 0.1mm increments. I'm planning on making a BBQ later but I don't expect they need to be as small as 0.1
[07:11:01] <miss0r> I have been wondering aimlessly around the shop today, trying to figure out where to put the new grinder. umtimately ending up, concluding I will have to have it in here to decide. Also; not ending up doing anything in here. So basically wasting a whole day. The only thing that is somewhat good, is that I managed to cover the oil staind on my pants(my wife will kill me when she finds out). The downside of that
[07:11:01] <miss0r> is, what I managed to cover it with was PU foam... Not sure what she would prefere :)
[07:50:36] <gregcnc> g0704 with 350" rapids
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5y3e5hHPoLE lapped ways seems odd
[08:31:41] <jthornton> http://gnipsel.com/logs/index.html
[08:38:26] <archivist> some html error causing odd headings try the w3c validator, it shows errors
[08:51:15] <JT-Shop> ok
[08:54:04] <JT-Shop> looks like the old logger made bad pages too... just a table issue fix in the morning
[08:54:31] <archivist> what it looks like here
http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/grabs/Screenshot-44.png
[08:55:45] <archivist> I should borrow something like that to add to mine
[08:55:58] <JT-Shop> other than the odd spacing it looks ok
[08:57:18] <JT-Shop> the vertical centering creates spaces for months that less weeks, I think I can fix that
[08:58:04] <JT-Shop> hmmm that's the wrong css too
[09:42:44] <SpeedEvil> archivist: on the topic of really expensive gears.
[09:42:47] <SpeedEvil> https://youtu.be/Fb4j51Mor20?t=167
[09:42:55] <SpeedEvil> (and the coming apocalypse)
[09:53:41] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: I saw that a couple weeks ago, love the self-learning one.
[09:55:58] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: And the reason why you never give a robot a nail gun attachment =)
[09:56:16] <SpeedEvil> The circular saw is scarier
[09:56:39] <Jymmm> Eh, not as scary as a projectile I'd think
[10:42:58] <CaptHindsight> archivist: what are the better brands of hand tools in the UK?
[10:51:13] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: The ones that have a less than 3" blade on them =)
[10:52:51] <CaptHindsight> small hands joke?
[10:54:23] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: It is illegal in the UK to carry a larger knife than that. It carries a MANDATORY jail sentence.
[10:55:20] <CaptHindsight> I should have clarified by mentioning spanners, sockets, screw drivers etc
[10:55:55] <Jymmm> Well, the definition of "knife" is broad, be it a carpet knife, box opener, etc.
[10:56:05] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: well they used to walk around with 2-3ft swords and look how that turned out
[10:57:06] <Jymmm> out of fashion?
[10:57:24] <Jymmm> didn't come with a warning label?
[10:57:35] <Jymmm> dawrin award candiates?
[10:59:08] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: I have one of these, it's cheap and durable
https://www.amazon.com/Cold-Steel-Kukri-Machete-Sheath/dp/B00HZIF7N0
[10:59:52] <Jymmm> good price right now too
[11:23:55] <archivist> CaptHindsight, depends on your definition of hand tool
[11:25:16] <archivist> britool, king dick and a few makers left in sheffield
[11:26:07] <CaptHindsight> archivist: spanners, sockets, screw drivers etc
[11:26:41] <archivist> Britool and king dick are both auto tool
[11:27:30] <archivist> screw driver, usually german or swiss, most of the good makes are import now
[11:27:31] <CaptHindsight> archivist: has Stanley invaded the low end?
[11:27:38] <archivist> yes
[11:27:54] <archivist> stanley used to make in the uk as well
[11:28:19] <CaptHindsight> it's high end in China
[11:28:20] <archivist> Irwin snapped up some sheffield names
[11:28:54] <CaptHindsight> the Stanley I have here are good for a few uses and then they are bent, rounded, dull etc
[11:29:04] <CaptHindsight> we have Irwin here as well
[11:29:14] <archivist> James Niel is the other sheffield name which owns a few brands
[11:29:51] <archivist> but many are exporting work to china/india
[11:31:11] <archivist> now we have sillyness of JCB tools where some group is hiring the JCB brand
[11:31:26] <CaptHindsight> I twisted a 3/8" extension the other day nearly 180deg. Not sure how it got into my toolbox
[11:31:35] <CaptHindsight> had no name on it
[11:32:26] <CaptHindsight> archivist: did the higher ends brands have lifetime warranties?
[11:32:27] <archivist> even named with guarantee japanese tools can bend like that
[11:32:53] <archivist> only snapon iirc
[11:33:17] <archivist> not sure if britool did that sa well
[11:33:24] <CaptHindsight> the ones here do/did but they are difficult to find or now require the original receipt for exchange
[11:33:42] <archivist> too much abuse of that
[11:34:41] <CaptHindsight> Craftsman, Snap-On, Mac, S-K, not sure about Irwin
[11:35:54] <archivist> mac sells over here a bit too
[11:36:02] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: what requires the receipt?
[11:36:17] <CaptHindsight> on the other hand a 10 pc spanner/wrench set by Snap-On is >$100 and the same by Pittsburgh at HF are $10
[11:36:25] <Jymmm> Not craftsman.
[11:36:36] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: Craftsman at Sears
[11:36:44] <Jymmm> no recipt needed
[11:36:54] <Jymmm> at sears.
[11:37:01] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: how lately did you go?
[11:37:17] <Jymmm> couple years ago
[11:37:30] <Jymmm> but there is also OSH and other places that sell craftsman now
[11:37:44] <CaptHindsight> at ACE hardware around here
[11:37:51] <Jymmm> Yeah, ACE too.
[11:38:16] <Jymmm> But ACE is kinda weird in general.
[11:39:05] <CaptHindsight> ACE is my last resort if I need it today
[11:39:26] <CaptHindsight> like grainger, they have it but at 2x the price
[11:39:41] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: If there is a craftmans hand tool that is no longer available, Sears will issue me a gift card for the full amount of the original cost.
[11:40:00] <Jymmm> without receipt
[11:40:51] <CaptHindsight> they offered me the nearest size screw driver, I had from the early 70's was almost a pry bar
[11:41:25] <Jymmm> Yeah, from things in stock, sure. But you can get a gift card
[11:41:50] <CaptHindsight> not much I'd want from Sears though
[11:42:00] <Jymmm> and sears gift cards can be used at kmart or online as well.
[11:42:25] <CaptHindsight> all our kmarts are gone
[11:42:58] <Jymmm> Well, maybe you want a replacement tablesaw blade or whatever, not liek they expire.
[11:43:33] <Jymmm> I had that gift card for years before I ever actually used it =)
[11:44:05] <CaptHindsight> the Widow Maker?
http://www.woodworkingtalk.com/attachments/f12/100085d1412514052t-craftsman-radial-arm-saw-img_5943.jpg
[11:45:18] <jdh> left thumb/forefinger removal
[11:46:23] <archivist> I used to use a dewalt over arm cutting al extrusions....effin tinnitus now
[11:47:03] <archivist> not a small one 3hp motor on it
[11:49:24] <CaptHindsight> http://www.tenryu.com/ac.html I use these in a compound miter for t-slot
[11:49:36] <CaptHindsight> with ear plugs
[11:51:27] <nubcake> hi
[11:52:04] <archivist> we were using something like a 20" blade
[11:52:23] <CaptHindsight> nice
[11:52:41] <archivist> no ear plugs or defenders provided, early 1970's
[11:53:01] <CaptHindsight> real men don't use safety gear
[11:53:27] <archivist> buggers kept me on the saw because less damage to the blades....grrr
[11:53:35] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: cuz they're dead/dismembered?
[11:53:44] <CaptHindsight> the perils of being competent
[11:53:59] <archivist> yup
[11:55:30] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Half-A-Clue™
[11:55:48] <archivist> from the date, could even be some of my work
http://heavycherry.com/machineinfo/other/-tasker_2_axis_steel_suspension_craven-1973-semi_trailer-tipper.html
[11:55:51] <CaptHindsight> I'm off to fill the shop with welding fumes
[11:56:29] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Breath deeply the aroma
[11:57:26] <CaptHindsight> a Tipper vs Dump
[11:58:46] <CaptHindsight> I guess we use the term Tipper here as well
[11:59:06] <archivist> I also used to cut/weld the side sheets for those bodies
[11:59:50] <archivist> hand held circular saw, very noisy job
[12:00:24] <CaptHindsight> somebody was asking about CAM for laser cutting, vector to g-code
[12:00:45] <archivist> sheetcam
[12:00:52] <CaptHindsight> for very large files
[12:01:05] <CaptHindsight> cambam and inkscape would crash
[12:02:18] <jdh> welding galvanizedl
[12:02:31] <CaptHindsight> don't start :)
[12:16:02] <lolofly24> bonjour, petit soucis sur linuxcnc, apres avoir ouvert stepconf, impossible de faire fonctionner mes axes, sur l ecran, l outil se deplace bien (en manuel) mais rien ne bouge phisiquement! je bute!
[12:18:53] <CaptHindsight> https://translate.google.com
[12:19:55] <CaptHindsight> not much help with that one
[12:20:31] <IchGucksLive> hi
[12:20:37] <lolofly24> ah oui, un message d erreur apparait: file "usr/lib/pymodules/pyton2.7/stepconf/pages.py3, line 585,in on jogplus_pressed.................. IOerror (error 32) relais brisé (pipe)
[12:21:51] <IchGucksLive> hi lolofly24
[12:22:11] <IchGucksLive> what OS and what linuxcnc version please
[12:22:29] <CaptHindsight> lolofly24: >90% here only speak English
[12:23:40] <IchGucksLive> lolofly24: Démarrer le moteur seulement après la configuration
[12:24:18] <IchGucksLive> la machine initiale
[12:24:52] <CaptHindsight> does he have a LPT port? Is the address correct?
[12:25:21] <lolofly24> hi, it s a 2.6.4 version
[12:26:13] <IchGucksLive> sudo dmesg | grep par*
[12:27:00] <IchGucksLive> parport0: PC-style at 0x378, irq 7 [PCSPP,TRISTATE]
[12:27:31] <IchGucksLive> devrait ressembler à ceci
[12:27:34] <lolofly24> Yes, but j use this machine since 2year, and I n have never had of breakdown!
[12:28:27] <IchGucksLive> e qui a changé
[12:28:38] <IchGucksLive> What did change
[12:28:47] <CaptHindsight> lolofly24: what did you change right before you got this error?
[12:29:54] <IchGucksLive> CaptHindsight: why does stepconf get an error on a running mashine
[12:31:01] <CaptHindsight> IchGucksLive: is HAL still running something else? I'm not sure under what conditions her gets the error
[12:31:08] <CaptHindsight> her/he
[12:31:34] <IchGucksLive> im 2 displaced at that condichon
[12:31:55] <CaptHindsight> I have to run but find out what changed, and under what conditions he gets the error
[12:32:19] <IchGucksLive> CaptHindsight: can you check the sound of my new Tut
https://youtu.be/oet39MVTCJc
[12:32:54] <IchGucksLive> Deejay: are you on
[12:33:24] <lolofly24> yes, i watch your video!
[12:33:47] <Jymmm> IchGucksLive: Re audio... it's a "tad" soft, and I can hear whitenoise
[12:34:33] <IchGucksLive> lolofly24: pas en français
[12:34:48] <IchGucksLive> Jymmm: youd i add some more voice
[12:35:33] <lolofly24> sorry but i don t understand!!! lol
[12:36:02] <IchGucksLive> lolofly24: the vid is not in French ;-)
[12:36:37] <lolofly24> ah yes, and it s long for me to translate!
[12:37:02] <IchGucksLive> What did you change
[12:37:35] <IchGucksLive> The mashine did run you announced
[12:40:09] <lolofly24> And if I desinstale and reinstale linuxcnc?
[12:40:29] <IchGucksLive> no need
[12:40:35] <Jymmm> IchGucksLive: The whitenoise is almost as strong as the voice level.
[12:41:02] <lolofly24> ok
[12:41:47] <IchGucksLive> Jymmm: thanks i see but thatrs the vent climt system in here
[12:42:28] <Jymmm> IchGucksLive: Well, it's more the microphone you are using (no noise canceling).
[12:43:00] <IchGucksLive> its ony 22500 bit and 10FPS
[12:43:31] <IchGucksLive> as recordmydectop compiles onyl on that entrence on the fly with correct sync
[12:43:39] <IchGucksLive> no encoding needed
[12:44:26] <Jymmm> IchGucksLive: Try to find/borrow a quality microphone if you can, then compare the difference yourself - video frame rate / audio sampling level is not the issue.
[12:44:46] <Jymmm> IchGucksLive: garbage in, garage out.
[12:45:03] <IchGucksLive> ok
[12:45:08] <IchGucksLive> i got lots of here
[12:45:43] <lolofly24> I really understands nothing has what you tells me! Sorry
[12:49:11] <IchGucksLive> lolofly24: le système d'exploitation 12.04 / Debian
[12:49:45] <lolofly24> yes........;and?
[12:50:14] <IchGucksLive> Ubuntu
[12:50:50] <IchGucksLive> ou Debian
[12:51:26] <IchGucksLive> désuet 2.6.4
[12:51:39] <IchGucksLive> Outdated
[12:52:08] <IchGucksLive> 2.6.13 version la plus récente
[12:52:20] <Cromaglious_> wheeee.... I have got to get my own internet connection
[12:52:42] <IchGucksLive> Cromaglious_: best to do it that way
[12:53:09] <lolofly24> debian! sorry
[12:53:39] <IchGucksLive> mettre à jour
[12:54:37] <IchGucksLive> en HAL #loadrt probe_parport
[12:55:29] <lolofly24> Ah OK, but then I to download the putting has in the daytime, to put her on a key usb? (No internet connection in l workshop!)
[12:57:03] <IchGucksLive> puis laissez-le donc
[12:57:34] <IchGucksLive> fichier Maschine Nom hal
[12:57:59] <IchGucksLive> #loadrt probe_parport
[12:58:27] <IchGucksLive> ligne 3..5
[13:01:18] <lolofly24> ok, thank you
[13:02:50] <IchGucksLive> y retourner
[13:03:45] <IchGucksLive> est la machine
[13:04:07] <lolofly24> But in computing under Linux, I know absolutely nothing, thus I could not make these manipulation, thus thank you for your help, but I cannot make it thank you again
[13:05:18] <IchGucksLive> pas beau
[13:05:59] <IchGucksLive> prenez votre temps
[13:06:11] <IchGucksLive> gedit
[13:06:37] <IchGucksLive> A la recherche du fichier
[13:06:47] <IchGucksLive> Maschine.hal
[13:07:05] <IchGucksLive> Linuxcnc -> Config->
[13:07:11] <IchGucksLive> maschine nom
[13:07:24] <IchGucksLive> maschineno.hal
[13:08:16] <lolofly24> ok, i copy
[13:09:14] <IchGucksLive> Je suis près de BItch
[13:09:39] <lolofly24> ?
[13:09:57] <IchGucksLive> Frontière avec l'Allemagne
[13:10:45] <lolofly24> ah, ok, i m french, at bergerac!!lol
[13:11:34] <lolofly24> near bordeaux
[13:11:45] <IchGucksLive> qui
[13:11:56] <IchGucksLive> Gn8
[15:46:31] <JT-Shop> shit I just broke the cord reel off the ceiling... time to start drinking I think
[16:03:14] <Jymmm> bad bracket? mount?
[16:10:48] <FloppyDisk525> Not enough tequila...
[16:30:13] <nubcake> gn8
[16:45:24] <Deejay> gn8
[17:09:53] <enleth> https://hackerspace.pl/~vuko/IMG_0096.JPG - servo drive DC bus capacitors mounted on the drive backplate, for testing at 48V
[17:14:58] <JT-Shop> http://gnipsel.com/shop/gantry/gantry.xhtml vs a plastic bracket...
[17:20:58] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: What comparison? That monster gantry you build vs plastic???
[17:31:19] <JT-Shop> <Jymmm> bad bracket? mount?
[17:40:44] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: ah
[17:48:03] <SpeedEvil> http://www.astro.ubc.ca/lmt/lzt/
[17:53:02] <Jymmm> mercury mirror, interesting I wonder why?
[17:53:27] <SpeedEvil> very, very cheap
[17:53:36] <sync> and high optical quality
[17:54:01] <SpeedEvil> the dish fab is made from foam, pvc and epoxy
[17:54:09] <SpeedEvil> rather than precision ground glass.
[17:54:24] <Jymmm> YEah, I saw the foam molding thingy
[17:54:40] <Jymmm> THATS what I call thinking outside the box... KISS
[17:55:36] <Jymmm> 15m lens... heaver than fsck and $$$$$$$$, OR... fuckit lets get some foam and a big ass drum of mercury!
[17:56:35] <Jymmm> I'm still trying to figure out what the air bearing is for/does?
[17:59:05] <SpeedEvil> rotates the mirror
[17:59:17] <SpeedEvil> it's spinning to keep the mercury in a parabola
[17:59:22] <SpeedEvil> at a very precise speed
[18:04:14] <Kevin`> SpeedEvil: optical flat bearing surfaces are probably not "cheap", but I guess likely cheaper than a curved surface :)
[18:05:50] <JT-Shop> well the thought of moving the 4' box and pan brake in one piece is gone...
[18:31:06] <Jymmm> Eeeesh, I'll be able to order that stove tomorrow and not have the order canceled because it was "restricted"
[18:31:31] <JT-Shop> what changed?
[18:31:59] <_methods> trump
[18:32:15] <_methods> lol
[18:32:28] <JT-Shop> dang he doesn't even have the keys yet
[18:32:48] <_methods> times iz a changin
[18:33:16] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: I spoke with their attorney.
[18:33:32] <JT-Shop> ah
[18:34:11] <Jymmm> If they didn't have the exclusive source on this, I'd never buy from Sportsmans Guide
[18:34:43] <Jymmm> They go out of their way to NOT help the customer.
[18:35:23] <Jymmm> They hide all contact info for their corporate offices
[18:35:33] <Jymmm> They are ownde by Northern Tool btw
[18:35:56] <_methods> interesting
[18:36:05] <_methods> trump owns norther tool
[18:36:08] <_methods> so trump did it
[18:36:27] * Jymmm trumps _methods on the back of the head
[18:36:35] <Jymmm> PAY ATTENTION next time
[18:36:35] <_methods> good spot
[18:36:39] <_methods> nothing to hurt there
[18:41:25] <Jymmm> we know
[18:56:17] <andypugh> Looking on the interweb at home-made TIG control pedals my opinon of the mechanical skills of welders has really been reduced.
[18:56:41] <malcom2073_> Lol
[18:56:46] <malcom2073_> At least those with internet acces
[18:58:41] <andypugh> String wrapped round the shaft of the potentiometer seems to be a common approach
[18:58:51] <malcom2073_> I love stringpots
[18:59:49] <BeachBumPete> my Ltec's pedal has a rack and pinion potentiometer setup that is very simple all housed in a rather large and heavy duty steel box
[19:01:21] <andypugh> The guitar effects-pedal I am converting has a gear and rack too. It does seem like the right way.
[19:03:27] <andypugh> Luckily the ger on mine is over-width so I had the option of making a cut-out in it for a microswitch roller for the arc-on contacts.
[19:03:59] <malcom2073_> Nice
[19:04:48] <andypugh> I am trying to upload a photo, bit with limited success
[19:05:24] <andypugh> https://imagebin.ca/v/32LaexPkH0YZ
[19:05:58] <andypugh> It only does a half turn, but with the togarithmic pot that the pedal came with, that’s fine.
[19:06:33] <andypugh> I get from 0.2V to 10V on the output with the full pedal stroke.
[19:07:57] <dioz> what's a cheap/good welding helmet need?
[19:08:15] <andypugh> Not fullly wired yet, I need to work out the polarity at the welder
[19:08:33] <andypugh> dioz: I am impressed by how much better a bif window is
[19:08:42] <andypugh> (big window, that is)
[19:09:10] <dioz> no magnifying holdering?
[19:09:21] <dioz> i got pretty good eyes
[19:09:46] <andypugh> You might not think it would matter, but it seems to help a lot. I also got one that takes optical inserts (“welding glasses”) and that has been a huge help in getting my head back close to the weld to see what is going on.
[19:10:07] <malcom2073_> dioz: The auto-darkening ones?
[19:10:09] <malcom2073_> there is no good cheap one
[19:10:18] <malcom2073_> The cheap ones are slow enough to damage your eyes without you realizing it heh
[19:12:06] <Jymmm> andypugh: you are going to plug in your guitat into your welder? Or your welder into your guitar?
[19:12:42] <andypugh> Jymmm: It was just a cheap souce of a decent quality fot pedal.
[19:12:46] <andypugh> (foot pedal)
[19:13:15] <Jymmm> andypugh: I know, but wasn't as a funny as plugging in a guitar into a welder to control it =)
[19:13:42] <Jymmm> andypugh: Godzilla to go slow
[19:13:45] <andypugh> You would need more that the usual number of arms, I think.
[19:14:13] <Jymmm> andypugh: Lady Gaga to tack weld
[19:14:47] <Jymmm> andypugh: BB King to do deep welds
[19:16:05] <malcom2073_> led zeppling when you have a really long weld
[19:16:30] <malcom2073_> zeppling heh
[19:29:39] <kalle3457> ?
[19:33:27] <Tom_L> malcom2073_ what sort of response time is considered good on a quality darkening lense?
[19:34:21] <Tom_L> or anybody for that matter...
[19:34:30] <malcom2073_> Tom_L: The kind that don't leave your eyes feeling fuzzy after a couple hours of welding. I've had a couple (3? 4?) sets of cheap ones before I finally shelled out a couple hundred on one at a local welding place
[19:35:00] <Tom_L> for just the lense?
[19:35:10] <Tom_L> my helmets are all half lens size
[19:35:25] <malcom2073_> No, for the helmet
[19:36:40] <Tom_L> google results show from $10 to $279
[19:37:06] <Tom_L> err $6227.50...
[19:37:16] <Tom_L> $627.50
[19:38:00] <Tom_shop> https://www.grainger.com/product/33W784?gclid=CPvuxJ2PsdACFZKCaQod66YDHA&cm_mmc=PPC:GOOGLEPLAA-_-Safety-_-Respiratory-_-33W784&AL!2966!3!50916691197!!!g!71855141479!&s_kwcid=AL!2966!3!50916691197!!!g!71855141479!&ef_id=WC5UrwAABcfdeLJR:20161118010903:s
[19:38:15] <Tom_L> must be some kinda lens
[19:38:25] <malcom2073_> Hah wow
[19:40:59] <Tom_L> none i see seem to list the response time
[19:41:11] <Tom_L> i suspect it's listed on the packaging
[19:41:12] <_methods> https://www.amazon.com/Jackson-Darkening-Welding-Technology-37191/dp/B01LWI4A4F/ref=sr_1_41?ie=UTF8&qid=1479431542&sr=8-41&keywords=weld+helmet
[19:41:17] <_methods> i have that one
[19:41:31] <_methods> use speedglas at work
[19:42:31] <tiwake> I... don't weld :-/
[19:43:20] <_methods> the jackson safety color is hard to get used to compared to speedglas
[19:43:30] <_methods> it has a greener tint compared to other helmets
[19:45:47] <_methods> or compared to the jackson helmets that is
[19:49:00] <BeachBumPete> I did not take the Snapon Pro helmet I was using at the tuner car shop up in tennessee so I am back to my Kobalt Tools middle of the road helmet. I would really like to try a speedglass as it seems most of the Pro's use them. I will say that the Lincoln helmets are quite impressive as I got to try one out at the welding supply shop in Knoxville. It was easily as good as the SNapon and had a more comfortable and adjustable s
[19:49:10] <Tom_shop> what is a PAPR system?
[19:49:51] <Tom_shop> filtered air?
[19:50:33] <Tom_shop> https://jet.com/product/detail/c68a07164b424be3aebfe7d01e381120?jcmp=pla:ggl:a_nj_dur_gen_business_industrial_a1_b1:work_safety_protective_gear_welding_helmets_a1_other:na:PLA_648603825_30264161302_pla-166542453420:na:na:na:2&code=PLA15&gclid=CKHbid2RsdACFRRDMgod4f8FHQ&gclsrc=ds
[19:50:38] <_methods> i like the speedglas
[19:51:00] <_methods> i kinda wish i'd gotten the speedglas instead of that jackson
[19:52:07] <BeachBumPete> https://jet.com/product/3M-Speedglas-Helmet-9100With-Auto-Dkng-Filter-9/d83890d54be64d7eb5c8aafa52f2053e :)
[19:52:34] <Tom_shop> is 9 dark enough?
[19:53:04] <BeachBumPete> http://www.ebay.com/itm/3M-Speedglas-9100X-Welding-Helmet-w-Side-Windows-06-0100-20SW-/130480037284?hash=item1e61375da4:g:BfoAAMXQeW5Ta7D6
[19:56:45] <BeachBumPete> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lincoln-Viking-3350-Mojo-Welding-Helmet-K3101-3-FREE-25-BONUS-ITEMS-/272255180626?hash=item3f63ac5f52:g:M0wAAOSwintXRxbl This is the helmet I tested in the welding supply store in Knoxville.. It was quite nice I thought. Even available without the garish graphics if you prefer ;)
[20:00:24] <CaptHindsight> I have a welding jacket that matches that helmet
[20:00:38] <Tom_L> do you wear it at halloween?
[20:01:32] <BeachBumPete> that would be cool or are you just kidding?
[20:02:17] <Tom_L> take it how you like =)
[20:03:18] <BeachBumPete> I was referring to Capts comments
[20:05:52] <ICFREEDOM> http://www.usaweld.com/Striker-Supreme-Welding-Helmet-p/supreme.htm my 1st helmet, seems good for the $'s
[20:06:40] <CaptHindsight> I customize lots of things
[20:06:41] <ICFREEDOM> performs and specs like a $250+
[20:09:20] <CaptHindsight> maybe I'm getting older but when low current TIG welding I need a spotlight on my work to see well
[20:10:35] <ICFREEDOM> light always seems to enable no matter how old
[20:10:56] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: I've noticed that too... I can see small stuff, but I need extra light to do so.
[20:11:12] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: ....where previously the extra light wasn't needed.
[20:11:42] <ICFREEDOM> Added 3500k led shop lights in my shop I am trying to get going, omg the dirt showed up
[20:12:33] <Tom_L> i like 5500k
[20:13:09] <ICFREEDOM> I would get blinded with that much
[20:13:22] <BeachBumPete> by more like I assume you mean you are adjusting the helmet to admit more light?
[20:13:48] <Tom_L> shop lighting..
[20:15:28] <Tom_L> https://www.ephotozine.com/articles/Guide-to-colour-temperature-4804/images/techcolour-temp-chart.gif
[20:15:33] <gregcnc> has c axis lathe with live tooling on Linuxcnc? I read a blurb about some secondary spindle codes being added now?
[20:16:07] <Tom_L> G74 G84 are being added
[20:16:17] <Tom_L> right, left tapping cycles
[20:16:49] <Tom_L> for use with spring loaded tap head
[20:17:28] <gregcnc> oh maybe i misread
[20:19:41] <Tom_L> i haven't heard about any spindle codes
[20:20:57] <Cromaglious_> CaptHindsight, Jymmm I'm 51 almost 52 next month... I need a ton of light to see anything... I need a flashlight to read menu's in any resturant
[20:21:14] <Tom_L> gregcnc there's talk about G71
[20:21:29] <Jymmm> Cromaglious_: Most restraunts are dark anyway =)
[20:21:49] <Cromaglious_> I sit under lights and still need a flash light
[20:22:04] <Jymmm> heh
[20:22:09] <Cromaglious_> I also have to carry a magnafying glass now
[20:22:25] <Cromaglious_> bifoclas aren't strong enough
[20:22:39] <Jymmm> II have a wallet frenzel lens, mostly scratched =)
[20:23:06] <Jymmm> but it's for reading things like glass fuses
[20:23:09] <Tom_L> i downloaded an app where the font is like 2pt and can't be changed
[20:23:14] <Tom_L> i can barely see that
[20:23:19] <Cromaglious_> I have a starbuck sunglass case filled with reading glasses and a magnafier
[20:23:30] <Jymmm> If you cant see something, just use your phone to enlarge it
[20:23:34] <Cromaglious_> And a flash light
[20:23:49] <Cromaglious_> crappy phone
[20:24:00] <Cromaglious_> LG Leon... crap camera
[20:24:09] <Jymmm> Well, I can't help that. get an UNcrappy one.
[20:24:28] <Jymmm> MY china phone has a great camera on it
[20:24:33] <Cromaglious_> take $$$$ waiting for the VA to give me my money...
[20:24:48] <Jymmm> I got mine for under $200 out the door
[20:25:00] <Jymmm> 6" screen too
[20:25:43] <Jymmm> https://www.amazon.com/Huawei-Mate-Factory-Unlocked-Black/dp/B00JPIAGW0
[20:25:54] <Cromaglious_> nice... I'll be getting a phablet soon as I can
[20:27:08] <Jymmm> It's an older model now.
http://www.gsmarena.com/huawei_ascend_mate2_4g-5949.php
[20:27:38] <Jymmm> I can actually power/charge other devices from it =)
[20:28:20] <Jymmm> "reverse charging"
[20:29:06] <skunkworks> Jymmm, is it rootable?
[20:29:36] <Jymmm> skunkworks: I got the bootlock code form the factory directly
[20:29:40] <Jymmm> from*
[20:30:00] <skunkworks> is there other images for it?
[20:30:33] <Jymmm> skunkworks: I haven't unlocked mine, I was just give the info from TechSup to upgrade it from 4.1 to 6x ?
[20:31:07] <skunkworks> (I have a samsung s6 and am looking for something different)
[20:31:14] <skunkworks> s5
[20:31:35] <skunkworks> I have a asus with a snapdragon processor in it and love it
[20:32:01] <skunkworks> (tracfone service)
[20:32:05] <Jymmm> skunkworks: I'm happy with it, LOVE the camera on it, takes GREAT photos
[20:33:54] <Jymmm> skunkworks: The ONLY annoyance I have with it is the alert and message volumes can not be seperated, and this is still locked
[20:34:15] <Jymmm> factory virgin pgone that is
[20:34:20] <Jymmm> phone
[20:41:27] <Tom_L> i think i liked the s5 better than the s6
[21:13:58] <dioz> does anyone have comments on auto-darkening welding helmets?
[21:14:55] <jdh> they auto-darken
[21:34:21] <ICFREEDOM> don't pay too much for one
[21:37:42] <Valen> they are usefull
[21:41:37] <MrTrick> Danger-sensing sunglasses!
[21:43:49] <Valen> rofl
[21:44:05] <Valen> damn, you could actually make those now
[21:44:14] <Valen> combine it with some sort of brain scanning headset thing
[21:46:36] <jdh> get one with racing stripes or a skull patter n
[22:02:13] <dioz> think i'mma take the plunge and buy myself a new fancy green tig welder
[22:02:22] <dioz> with a foot pedal and pulse
[22:02:27] <dioz> for welding sheet metal
