#linuxcnc | Logs for 2016-11-12

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[00:44:46] <Wolf_> hmm, I think I just bought a several tons of old iron for my shop…
[01:08:53] <archivist> Tom_L, minor edit to get it to work though o<myfile> call
[01:10:02] <Wolf_> So, anyone happen to know anything about tool grinders :D
[01:11:51] <archivist> I know I want a real one
[01:12:18] <archivist> had to make something to grind a tool to my needs
[01:12:18] <Wolf_> http://i.imgur.com/jLgemdA.jpg
[01:13:43] <archivist> I see no tool holder for cutters
[01:13:57] <Wolf_> its all in boxes on the floor next to it
[01:15:23] <Wolf_> it was moved in to the guys basement and wired 12yrs ago, but never used it, he didn’t even put the tool holders on it
[01:16:23] <Wolf_> I agreed to buy that, 2 mills and a lathe as a package deal from the guy tonight
[01:16:25] <archivist> well worth having
[01:18:27] <Wolf_> yeah looks like it from what I have been reading, good match to have with the Milwaukee 2H mill
[01:18:33] <SpeedEvil> It:)
[01:21:00] <Wolf_> 645 wells-index mill w/ really nice 2 axis DRO, and a Milwaukee 2H mill with universal head + slotting head (broaching head?), only crappy thing is the drive gear for the universal head is missing
[01:21:47] <Wolf_> I have no idea what the lathe is… has a montgomery wards tag on it
[01:23:48] <archivist> a logan with a badge probably http://www.lathe.com/ser-no.htm
[01:24:51] <Wolf_> of course I didn’t take a pic of the lathe… lol
[02:14:07] <Wolf_> now to figure out how to find the drive gear for that head…
[02:24:37] <archivist> make it
[02:28:55] <Deejay> moin
[02:30:24] <Wolf_> how did I know you were going to suggest that lol
[02:31:02] <archivist> I admit nothing :)
[02:32:20] <Wolf_> helical gear mounted on a no. 50 taper…
[02:33:19] <archivist> I have cut helicals with linuxcnc
[02:35:08] <Wolf_> on the plus side of things, the 2H has a bunch of arbors and both arbor support ends with it
[02:36:01] <archivist> as your use will probably not be full time production you could get away with a plain cut gear, not hardened and ground
[02:38:12] <Wolf_> http://vintagemachinery.org/pubs/2098/7108.pdf pg 27 is the head I’m talking about, I didn’t really look at it though. All I do know is has a helical gear in head half and the one that goes in the no. 50 on the 2h is missing
[02:47:32] * Wolf_ has much to learn…
[02:50:11] <archivist> that reminds me of something I found on ebay http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=fexac
[02:53:01] <Wolf_> looks similar
[02:58:51] <archivist> took me ages googling to find a good match for its shape, a spanish fexac machine was closest
[02:59:30] <Wolf_> so, just need to figure out whats needed to cut a helical gear with what I’ll have after the deal is done, looks like all I’m missing is proper hob and a dividing head… the 645 wells also has a right angle attachment for the spindle
[03:00:38] <Wolf_> 2h can swivel the table… looks like more then one way to do it
[03:01:49] <archivist> when cutting a helical it has to rotate the gear during the cut
[03:03:47] <Wolf_> hmm
[03:03:51] <archivist> so you use a driven dividing head for helicals on an old style universal
[03:04:47] <Wolf_> old style universal, check, driven dividing head… looks like shopping needed lol
[03:05:24] <archivist> or cnc :)
[03:07:11] <archivist> this is my first helical https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAtziCsUj5Q
[03:07:37] <archivist> 2008 and 660k views!
[03:09:14] <Wolf_> reminds me, guy also has a bunch of micro boring bars for sale…
[03:10:01] <archivist> is the price right :)
[03:10:35] <Wolf_> dunno, I don’t even know if the price is right on the stuff I agreed to buying lol
[03:13:00] <Wolf_> need to figure out what $$ to offer on all the cutters he has still…
[03:13:24] <archivist> right price recently has been 0 for me, but in 4 weeks ish I should be alright
[03:14:06] <archivist> retiring at last!
[03:14:30] <Wolf_> right now I’m at $6000 for the 2 mills, grinder and lathe, which kinda seems like a good deal =/
[03:15:02] <archivist> perhaps he could throw in the cutters for that
[03:16:50] <Wolf_> tool holders for mills and grinders included in the $6k, cutters he has 2-3 tool box draws full of new and re-sharps, cnc taps, some insert shell mills and the 11 micro bars
[03:19:29] <Wolf_> I don’t even have a idea what to offer on all that stuff lol
[03:20:42] <archivist> dunno, but it sure is a good staring point to a full workshop
[03:21:40] <Wolf_> well, he has a commercial CNC machine shop, he kept the 2 mills, seems that these are what he started with and the VMC wouldnt fit in the basement lol
[03:21:55] <Wolf_> has/had, he retired 12 yrs ago lol
[03:22:01] <archivist> iirc you were missing when a toy followed me home
[03:22:18] <Wolf_> yeah, I’ve been off for like 2 months now lol
[03:22:25] <Wolf_> maybe 4 lol
[03:23:06] <archivist> was a year or more, a CMM
[03:24:06] <Wolf_> I think I was around when you got it, but didn’t have it up and running?
[03:24:36] <XXCoder> hey Wolf_
[03:24:37] <archivist> I did get it running on the old code
[03:25:31] <archivist> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XIscw-ciEg
[03:25:43] <Wolf_> I still have that box of renishaw bits lol :)
[03:25:50] <XXCoder> fancy arch
[03:26:29] <archivist> Wolf_, I managed to find an elbow
[03:26:46] <Wolf_> ahh cool
[03:27:02] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZcLwStx6h4 interesting
[03:27:14] <Wolf_> I remember seeing that video of the CMM
[03:27:24] <archivist> so beginning to get a collection of renishaw and other bits
[03:28:11] <XXCoder> I was wondering a little about grinder part
[03:28:18] <archivist> the seller posted me a second TP2 probe :)
[03:28:25] <XXCoder> dont wheel wear down? or is it so slow wear it dont matter?
[03:29:09] <archivist> measure grind, takes the wear into account
[03:29:36] <XXCoder> interesting ok. my internship never went that far into manual :(
[03:30:09] <Wolf_> don’t think I can CNC that K&T 2H very easily lol, now that 645 wells-index…
[03:30:17] <XXCoder> I was supposed to make 123 blocks lol make blocks send em off to fire, then grind it to 123 precision
[03:31:01] <XXCoder> that swiss block project is interesting
[04:06:56] <XXCoder> using glass jar in lathe to deburr parts https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msQdv_miHck
[04:07:08] <XXCoder> whats it supposed to do anyway? surface the parts?
[04:16:41] <Wolf_> poor mans tumbler maybe?
[04:17:12] <XXCoder> looks like.
[04:17:33] <XXCoder> whats difference between just deburring and that anyway? does it also affect surfaces?
[04:18:16] <Wolf_> yeah, I think so. just surface finish
[04:18:36] <archivist> google barrel polishing
[04:18:37] <XXCoder> cool
[04:19:02] <XXCoder> guns. lots guns.
[04:20:05] <XXCoder> http://www.kramerindustriesonline.com/finishing-guides/barrel-finishing-guide.htm
[04:20:32] <XXCoder> few postive benefits like stronger
[04:20:36] <Wolf_> ball screw conversion on a knee mill, bad idea? or not to crazy to do?
[04:21:05] <Wolf_> .. just on x/y though
[04:21:12] <XXCoder> yeah z is hard one
[04:21:18] <archivist> good idea is going to cnc
[04:21:25] <archivist> is/if
[04:21:59] <XXCoder> wolf you have DRO and "automatic manual" computer control? ie it can do basics like grid drilling, circle pocket so on?
[04:22:29] <Wolf_> yeah this one I’m going to be getting has that type DRO on it
[04:24:58] <XXCoder> its most of way there already I guess
[04:25:10] <archivist> with a well fitted ball screw you can climb mill, better finish
[04:27:50] <Wolf_> I know the current lead screw has some backlash in it, its also only has power feed on the Y
[04:30:17] <archivist> adjust it if possible
[04:33:35] <Wolf_> yup, I think first major thing I’m going to look in to dumping in to it will be VFD for the spindle
[04:55:58] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: jthornton Here ya go, power your home/shop from wood... https://youtu.be/yYGKn12Weu4
[04:56:20] <XXCoder> shaky camera
[04:58:10] <Jymmm> shaky viewer
[04:58:18] <XXCoder> lol
[04:58:43] <Jymmm> Oooops, typo... shady viewer ;)
[04:59:05] <XXCoder> wow that is so much better ~! :P
[04:59:45] <Jymmm> Darn autocomplete.... sleezy viewer.
[05:19:43] <XXCoder> sucks when budget gets screwed up
[05:19:51] <XXCoder> I planned to buy spindle soon but guess not :P
[05:23:25] <Jymmm> XXCoder: got fishnet stocking???
[05:23:43] <XXCoder> ?
[05:23:48] <XXCoder> h
[05:23:50] <XXCoder> nah
[05:24:40] * Jymmm chuckles
[05:24:48] <jthornton> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsvKknmNqLQ
[05:34:15] <Demure_> What causes these issues? ( http://i.imgur.com/LgKPfl5.jpg ) Unpleasant scallops along the side every now and then and at some point the square misaligns with the other pass. Tried it a few times and they seem to happen everytime, both in alu and pom
[05:35:08] <Demure_> Z-axis seems to have no issues as all the surfaces are smooth.
[05:35:10] <Jymmm> jthornton: $188 USD + shipping from UK. Great looking rocket stove, more for a camp kitchen and not backpacking
[05:35:22] <Jymmm> I'd suspect
[05:36:35] <Demure_> I lowered the speeds and rapids by 40%, lowered acceleration and it's still there.
[05:37:25] <archivist> demure is it climb or conventional milling
[05:37:30] <Jymmm> jthornton: $10 http://www.ebay.com/itm/262646398649
[05:37:38] <Demure_> archivist: Conventional
[05:38:11] <archivist> Demure_, my first thought is loose gibs
[05:38:15] <jthornton> backlash??
[05:38:19] <jthornton> or that
[05:38:32] <Demure_> Hmm, that's something I could take a look at
[05:39:01] <Demure_> Would backlash create such issues, too?
[05:39:26] <archivist> yes when there is a direction change (on the circle)
[05:40:02] <Demure_> But that wouldn't explain the sides of the square halfway through having such issues, right?
[05:40:52] <XXCoder> chips in screw?
[05:41:14] <Jymmm> jthornton: sorta like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFdMyThX2wg
[05:41:15] <Demure_> First few parts, cleaned everything thoroughly before putting it together
[05:41:23] <jthornton> looks like slightly different depths of cut so different pressures
[05:41:30] <Demure_> How tight should gibs be?
[05:42:24] <SpeedEvil> Enough that they go up an octave, but can still sing freely.
[05:42:26] <archivist> 0 play
[05:42:47] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: lmao
[05:43:06] <jthornton> which means if you have any wear you can't get 0 play
[05:43:16] <XXCoder> hat is very hearist discription. lol kidding
[05:45:11] <archivist> Demure_, DTI contacting the table but mounted on the column, grap hold of the table and push in ant direction, DTI should stay 0
[05:45:20] <archivist> any
[05:46:58] <Demure_> Ok, will adjust 'em. Just measured and got 0.05mm sideways play on the X axis
[05:49:14] <archivist> you can put a precision straight edge and mount DTI and traverse the table, any errors will show up as jumps while moving
[05:49:57] <Jymmm> jthornton: ket me know when you've created one of those rocket stoves =)
[05:50:16] <jthornton> I have no use for a rocket stove
[05:51:39] <Jymmm> jthornton: Ah, I just ordered one of those $10 stoves to play with
[05:51:39] <archivist> seemed to lack any sensible ash pan while running
[05:52:24] <Jymmm> archivist: I think I saw a thin slot
[05:52:36] <archivist> and...one item at a time, steamed pudding or custard, not both
[05:53:20] <Jymmm> unless you have really quick hands =)
[05:53:41] <archivist> no, each item needs time
[05:53:54] <Jymmm> pellets seems to run for 90 minutes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAYAnuL_Z0w
[05:54:09] <Jymmm> archivist: Yeah, 15s for A, 15s for B, lather rinse, repeat.
[05:54:37] <archivist> but the cooling rate for the 15 secs off means waste of time
[05:55:26] <Jymmm> Well, set up a few of them I guess.
[05:55:40] <XXCoder> its small enough for that.
[05:56:48] <Jymmm> It's half designed to be portable, but yet you have un/bolt the legs (as opposed to folding them)
[05:57:55] <Jymmm> Also, the chimney does nest inside the base for storage it seems.
[05:58:04] <Jymmm> does NOT*
[05:58:21] <XXCoder> it'd be semi-portable
[05:58:30] <XXCoder> easy to move compared to brick grill
[05:58:38] <XXCoder> but harder than those griller thingies
[05:59:21] <Jymmm> I think he limited his design based upon what he can do with a laser more than anything.
[06:01:49] <Jymmm> I really like it esthetically, but not sure how/when to use it. Like an extended family camping trip? BYOS? lol
[06:03:23] <XXCoder> addon to your brick grill?
[06:03:34] <XXCoder> to warm sauces or something
[06:11:08] <Jymmm> I could see a (welded) one being permanently install ob long backpacking trails, sort of a "rest stop" if you will.
[06:12:39] <Jymmm> minimal fire danger (compared to a fire pit), just gather twigs and small branches, instead of chopping wood
[06:13:47] <Jymmm> maybe have a few installed at boy scout camps?
[06:15:59] * archivist imagines Jymmm poking boy scouts into the stove
[06:17:21] <Jymmm> archivist: Nah, this would be more my style... https://www.hobotraveler.com/b-photos01/211-638-lechon.jpg
[06:17:49] <Jymmm> archivist: Whole scout on a stick!
[06:18:18] <Jymmm> ..with fava beans and a nice cianti
[06:33:54] <XXCoder> enjoy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g473cFGI3kM
[06:41:36] <jthornton> lol
[06:53:52] <Jymmm> lol
[07:02:02] <jthornton> hmm freeze warning for tonight
[07:02:13] <jthornton> better get the last tomatoes from the garden
[07:03:40] <XXCoder> already
[07:10:52] <BeachBumPete> Good Morning LinuxCNC :)
[07:11:19] <Jymmm> XXCoder: Yep, I picked up a forced air propane heater the other day (till I can get the garage insulated)
[07:11:47] <XXCoder> fun
[07:11:48] <XXCoder> heys
[07:12:18] <Jymmm> XXCoder: Eh, not really. it can down a 5gal propane tank in less than 14 hours
[07:12:27] <miss0r> Jymmm: sounds like something can eat up alot of propane
[07:12:30] <miss0r> yeah, lol :)
[07:13:01] <BeachBumPete> I never tried a propane forced air heater but my kerosene one kicked some butt in Tennessee ;)
[07:13:20] <Jymmm> miss0r: Not a lot of choice for now. Once insulated I should be able to get 50 hours off 5gallon
[07:13:21] <BeachBumPete> of course I won't be needing one anymore :)
[07:14:03] <BeachBumPete> might get another one of those portable AC units for the shop for the summer now
[07:14:10] <miss0r> Jymmm: One thing to consider when using propane for heating is the amount of water vapors it releases in the shop. Not always good around cold cast iron machines :)
[07:15:05] <miss0r> I have electrical heat in the shop now. one of thoes air to air units, that gives around 5 times the amount of heat on the same power compared to an electric radiator
[07:15:19] <Jymmm> miss0r: So I've heard. no biggy o my small propane heater, but the forced air... yeah
[07:15:46] <XXCoder> Jymmm: wall between garage and house has no insulation
[07:15:48] <Jymmm> miss0r: I plan on wood fired (outdoors) and piped in radiant in the garage, but not there yet.
[07:15:55] <XXCoder> garage itself dont have any either
[07:16:02] <miss0r> Jymmm: you'd be surprised how much condensation you can get. Just keep your eyes on it :)
[07:16:22] <Jymmm> miss0r: lovely
[07:16:34] <BeachBumPete> I used a portable electric heater once the kerosene forced air got the shop comfortable..
[07:16:57] <Jymmm> XXCoder: I recommend insulation if you can
[07:17:10] <miss0r> Jymmm: I used to have a wood stove in my shop. but I am realy out'a space in here, and you can't realy put anything near a wood stove, so I had to remove it and install this heater instead
[07:17:28] <XXCoder> nah owner gets no free upgrades
[07:17:56] <Jymmm> miss0r: I dont want a firebox IN the shop, but willing to hang up a radiator
[07:18:31] <miss0r> Jymmm: I hear'ya. Did you see the picture showing how crammed my shop is? if so, then you can see what I mean about not having the room :)
[07:18:44] <Jymmm> miss0r: I'm wrking on the idea of a outdoor full cumbustion firebox in a "store and release" setup.
[07:18:49] <Jymmm> miss0r: no, link?
[07:19:01] <miss0r> hang on. it was a picpaste, i'll re-upload.
[07:19:09] <Jymmm> k
[07:19:10] <miss0r> I like your circulation idea. :) let me know how that turns out
[07:19:56] <Jymmm> miss0r: On a worse case scenario setup, I was able to get 2.5 gallons of water from 50F to 90F in an hour.
[07:20:05] <miss0r> http://picpaste.com/pics/shop_1-s5IMGSyx.1478955078.jpg http://picpaste.com/pics/shop_2-sclKhJQm.1478955092.jpg
[07:20:32] <BeachBumPete> Hey man that is a cool little shop!
[07:20:41] <miss0r> BeachBumPete: thanks.
[07:20:41] <BeachBumPete> I like that cold saw too
[07:20:51] <miss0r> Jymmm: Have you considered a pellet furnace?
[07:20:57] <BeachBumPete> that is the same machine zeeshan has?
[07:21:22] <Jymmm> miss0r: Not at $1400 no =)
[07:21:26] <miss0r> BeachBumPete: I don't know :) i'm pretty sick of it. Err. I think it will do better once I get a blade for it with about � the amount of teeth
[07:21:46] <miss0r> Jymmm: right. But you must find the idea that it is self feeding appealing?
[07:21:47] <BeachBumPete> no I meant the milling machine
[07:21:58] <BeachBumPete> doesn't he have a similar machine?
[07:22:09] <miss0r> BeachBumPete: who?
[07:22:12] <BeachBumPete> but yeah the tooth count on any blade is important...
[07:22:23] <BeachBumPete> Oh sorry zeeshan
[07:22:40] <miss0r> I don't know who that is.
[07:23:18] <BeachBumPete> ok well he is a member here and has a CNC retrofit of a machine that at least looks similar to that. Is it a horiz vert?
[07:23:31] <miss0r> Jymmm: as you can see in the pictures, theres realy no more room to do with in here. That is why I have that unit hanging over the workbench, it heats the shop without even trying hard. at the moment it is -8c outside, and comfortable 20c in here.
[07:23:44] <Jymmm> miss0r: Sure, but I want to do FULL combustion, in a "store and release". Basically burn as fast and as hot as posisble, store the heat in a thermal mass, then release into the radiant water heating
[07:24:17] <miss0r> Jymmm: you'd need something like a m^3 water tank, well insulated for it to make sense?
[07:24:21] <jthornton> my favorite chain saw on the cabinet
[07:24:32] <jthornton> tables are too clean lol
[07:24:33] <Jymmm> miss0r: I can then just "plumb" the heat whereever, no emissions.
[07:24:53] <miss0r> BeachBumPete: it is a horiz with a vert head on it ;)
[07:25:17] <Jymmm> miss0r: It's the therma mass that would take care of that.
[07:25:40] <miss0r> that is true. but what is your 'thermal mass' in your setup-to-be ?
[07:25:54] <miss0r> jthornton: yeah, I just cleaned when I took the pictures
[07:26:07] <Jymmm> miss0r: The Moave solar project used molten salt to store the energy during cloud days and at night.
[07:26:18] <SpeedEvil> A ton of gravel stores about 1kWh/C
[07:26:21] <jthornton> looks nice
[07:26:23] <jthornton> http://gnipsel.com/images/equipment-shed/e-shed-27.jpg
[07:26:24] <BeachBumPete> my shop is kind of a disaster right now while I work on the VMC getting the wiring redone for the pendant
[07:26:25] <Jymmm> miss0r: and produces 10MW
[07:26:33] <jthornton> finally got a few lights up in the new shop
[07:26:57] <SpeedEvil> A thick heated slab can be damn good thermal mass
[07:27:00] <miss0r> I hate that nomatter where I look, people have more space than I :)
[07:27:04] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: I'm looking into masonary heater ideas too, at least for concapts.
[07:27:15] <SpeedEvil> Insulation though.
[07:27:18] <SpeedEvil> Really - all sides.
[07:27:45] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: I might have access to mineral wool CHEAP
[07:27:49] <miss0r> Jymmm: A friend of mine has a pretty big ranch way out in the countryside. he uses a wood stove to heat ~ 2000L of water to around 80c. He puts wood in the stove twice a day, and it keeps the house for all its needs.
[07:28:14] <SpeedEvil> Gravel is nice in some ways
[07:28:16] <Jymmm> miss0r: is it a boiler?
[07:28:26] <SpeedEvil> if you have air heat
[07:28:29] <Jymmm> miss0r: is it a wood fired boiler?
[07:28:34] <SpeedEvil> it's got its own built in heat exchanger
[07:28:41] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: heh
[07:28:54] <gregcnc> demure_do you have the f1 service manual?
[07:28:55] <miss0r> Jymmm: Its a homemade system actualy. Very well insulated stove, with alot of heatpipes inside, and a small pump circulates the water from the 'buffer' tank through that.
[07:28:56] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: I was thinking salt due to it's density
[07:29:30] <Jymmm> but we also have LOTS of river rocks available
[07:29:30] <SpeedEvil> Annoyingly I saw an interesting system I can't find again.
[07:29:42] <SpeedEvil> Dessicate calcium chloride during the hot months.
[07:29:53] <SpeedEvil> (may not have been calcium chloride)
[07:29:55] <rene-dev> pcw_home Im getting requested firmware is too long for the bitfile you build yesterday...
[07:30:09] <SpeedEvil> Run cool damp air into it to get hot drier air as the dessicant heats up
[07:30:26] <miss0r> The tank is actualy an old oil tank from the old furnace of the house. well cleaned ofc. Standing outside with 400mm rockwhool insulation all the way around. Then the radiator system and the water heating system, takes it heat from that tank, with some coils lowered into that water
[07:30:46] <miss0r> BeachBumPete: do you have a link for said retrofitting?
[07:31:00] <BeachBumPete> hang on
[07:31:13] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: Ah, as this progresses, it would be nice to extend it to the house as well.
[07:31:54] <BeachBumPete> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2aH_6xlrUw
[07:31:55] <Jymmm> I need to get these temp sensors setup
[07:32:03] <Jymmm> for data logging
[07:32:15] <miss0r> I am actualy thinking of doing a wood solution in the house as well. If I started heating the house with nothing but firewood, I would have wood enough for the next 7 years in storage, without adding to it.
[07:32:23] <miss0r> BeachBumPete: thanks
[07:32:27] <BeachBumPete> sure
[07:32:39] <BeachBumPete> he has several vids and he is on here quite often
[07:33:16] <miss0r> BeachBumPete: That sure does look like mine. Same series atleast. Does he have a website or somewhere I can read on the project?
[07:33:21] <Jymmm> miss0r: SpeedEvil http://diymasonryheater.blogspot.com/
[07:33:45] <jthornton> ah zeeshan|2
[07:33:47] <BeachBumPete> miss0r I don't know if he has a website but like I said he is on here all the time you can ask him when he chimes in
[07:33:50] <XXCoder> yeah zee's
[07:33:50] <zeeshan|2> hi
[07:33:58] <BeachBumPete> AND there he is!
[07:33:59] <jthornton> and like magic
[07:34:09] <miss0r> magic :)
[07:34:21] <miss0r> zeeshan|2: we were just talking about your mill. What model is that?
[07:34:29] <zeeshan|2> mikron wf21c
[07:34:30] <SpeedEvil> Jymmm: what's the exhaust temp though
[07:34:50] <miss0r> zeeshan|2: ahh. It sure looks like a deckel maho brand mill. :)
[07:34:58] <zeeshan|2> almost same
[07:35:03] <zeeshan|2> some differences though
[07:35:31] <miss0r> zeeshan|2: Do you have somewhere I can read about your retrofitting? I have a maho 500c I have been considering converting for a long time
[07:35:42] <zeeshan|2> pretty much logs in here
[07:35:42] <zeeshan|2> haha
[07:35:47] <miss0r> ^^
[07:36:13] <miss0r> Do you atleast have some pictures of what it looks like controle wise?
[07:36:29] <zeeshan|2> it uses 5i25 cause i only had pci slot
[07:36:33] <zeeshan|2> and 7i77
[07:36:39] <zeeshan|2> you're going to need interpolators too
[07:36:41] <zeeshan|2> for the glass scale
[07:36:48] <zeeshan|2> they're like $80-100 each
[07:36:52] <zeeshan|2> idp101
[07:36:53] <miss0r> yeiks
[07:37:16] <zeeshan|2> miss0r i think the conversion cost me 2000 usd
[07:37:29] <zeeshan|2> but you'll make that back after one or two jobs :P
[07:37:36] <miss0r> I'm thinking i'll need to figure out where I have some slob in the system, before I embark on that project :)
[07:38:06] <BeachBumPete> not good to have any slobs in the system ;)
[07:38:22] <miss0r> I get these little marks when doing round inside or outside contours. where x meets y and y meets x...
[07:39:30] <miss0r> zeeshan|2: but no doubt it would be alot faster. mostly because the controller on my unit. A philips 432, only has 80kb of memory. :)
[07:39:54] <zeeshan|2> hehe
[07:40:01] <zeeshan|2> you have siemens servos?
[07:40:32] <miss0r> no, Indramat
[07:40:38] <zeeshan|2> ah so it is different
[07:40:40] <miss0r> same for the huge DC spindle motor.
[07:40:45] <zeeshan|2> but you got glass scales right?
[07:40:48] <miss0r> yeah
[07:41:47] <miss0r> Honnestly, just thinking about incorporating the glass scales gives me shivers. I've converted a manual mill to linuxCNC, but that was nothing but counting steps on steppers :) I'm feeling this project might be over my head
[07:42:11] <zeeshan|2> why
[07:42:14] <zeeshan|2> its 3 interpolator cards
[07:42:17] <zeeshan|2> and then wire into mesa
[07:42:41] <miss0r> one reason: you make it sound easy :)
[07:42:49] <zeeshan|2> it is
[07:42:52] <zeeshan|2> i got a wiring diagram for it
[07:42:53] <BeachBumPete> hehe
[07:43:06] <zeeshan|2> its literally glass scale wires -> interpolator -> wires into 7i77
[07:43:07] <miss0r> now that is something I would like to have a look at :)
[07:43:53] <miss0r> does your machine have electromecanik gear changer?
[07:44:24] <zeeshan|2> http://imgur.com/a/e6cRR
[07:44:27] <zeeshan|2> yes
[07:44:29] <zeeshan|2> but i ditched it
[07:44:33] <zeeshan|2> i only use 1:1 right now
[07:44:34] <miss0r> how come?
[07:44:37] <miss0r> alright
[07:44:42] <zeeshan|2> cause of vfd
[07:44:46] <zeeshan|2> with torque vectoring
[07:44:53] <BeachBumPete> I like that sumo vFD
[07:45:12] <zeeshan|2> cheap!! :D
[07:45:19] <BeachBumPete> hehe thats what I like about it
[07:45:21] <zeeshan|2> ive been looking at hitachi 30hp drives
[07:45:25] <zeeshan|2> frigging 1300 usd
[07:45:34] <zeeshan|2> with the shit exchangfe thats like 1800 canadian
[07:45:37] <zeeshan|2> =/
[07:45:38] <BeachBumPete> I still need to buy a VFD for my CNC lathe retro
[07:45:44] <miss0r> zeeshan|2: What motor does your spindle use at the moment?
[07:45:55] <zeeshan|2> some italian 5hp motor
[07:45:58] <BeachBumPete> don't you get a break because of your dual citizenship? :P
[07:46:06] <zeeshan|2> BeachBumPete: that was a lie
[07:46:08] <miss0r> is it a 3-phase one or a horrible DC one like mine?
[07:46:09] <zeeshan|2> no dual citizenship
[07:46:09] <zeeshan|2> haha
[07:46:13] <BeachBumPete> hehehe
[07:46:16] <zeeshan|2> miss0r 3 phase
[07:46:27] <XXCoder> zeeshan|2: man im stuck on spindle LOL I want 52mm type but not too sure if need feedback or not, how to connect to BOb so on
[07:46:42] <miss0r> yeah. That makes it a bit easier to do the conversion. I'll need to reuse my DC "vfd"
[07:46:49] <zeeshan|2> im officially upset with my lathe purchase
[07:46:54] <zeeshan|2> i really shoulda googled if they were common lathes
[07:47:00] <BeachBumPete> why?
[07:47:01] <zeeshan|2> apparently theyre not common that is why i cant find anything on them
[07:47:03] <zeeshan|2> shoulda got an okuma
[07:47:18] <zeeshan|2> i need to basically spend $1200 for manuals
[07:47:22] <BeachBumPete> Okuma parts are stupid expensive
[07:47:25] <zeeshan|2> or just suck it up and reverse engineer everything
[07:47:29] <XXCoder> zeeshan|2: sometimes something very similiar is easier to find info on
[07:47:33] <zeeshan|2> similar to mikron, but mikron was easier cause less shit going on
[07:47:53] <zeeshan|2> this thing has so much hydraulics i dont even know where to frigging start
[07:47:54] <XXCoder> for example I used to look up ford talus for my mecury sable because they are basically twins besides few differences
[07:48:05] <zeeshan|2> does anyone know how a turrett works?
[07:48:07] <zeeshan|2> not the disease
[07:48:10] <zeeshan|2> but the thing on the lathe
[07:48:11] <zeeshan|2> :)
[07:48:20] <BeachBumPete> I tried to stay away from commercial machines with hydraulics
[07:48:31] <zeeshan|2> dude its a nightmare
[07:48:34] <zeeshan|2> theres hydraulics everywhere
[07:48:35] <BeachBumPete> I know
[07:48:38] <miss0r> this spindle here is a staggering 12kw at 290v DC
[07:48:40] <BeachBumPete> I saw the pics
[07:48:43] <zeeshan|2> chuck, tail stock, turrett
[07:48:50] <zeeshan|2> and some other places i have no idea where theyre going
[07:48:55] <zeeshan|2> and why they are going there to begin with!
[07:49:02] <zeeshan|2> miss0r: holy shit
[07:49:04] <zeeshan|2> thats powerful
[07:49:18] <XXCoder> do lights dim onramp up?
[07:49:27] <BeachBumPete> there are a lot of CNC lathes that do not use much hydraulics at all.... but it is nice for power chucks and tailstocks etc.
[07:49:32] <miss0r> XXCoder: only slightly. it has softstart
[07:49:54] <zeeshan|2> youre right pete
[07:49:59] <zeeshan|2> the new mazak at work
[07:50:05] <zeeshan|2> uses a ball screw to position the tail stock
[07:50:18] <zeeshan|2> hmm
[07:50:23] <zeeshan|2> actually ithink there is still hydraulic for clamping
[07:50:34] <zeeshan|2> but it looks minimal compared to my lathe
[07:50:35] <BeachBumPete> some of the old Cinci lathes are pneumatic like my Arrow 500
[07:51:17] <miss0r> bleh! zeeshan|2!. you just got me started thinking about retrofitting it again.. I will probally not find peice in this world before I do :]
[07:51:22] <zeeshan|2> haha
[07:51:28] <zeeshan|2> do it man!
[07:51:45] <BeachBumPete> DO ITTTT!!!
[07:51:46] <zeeshan|2> do you have 3 phase power?
[07:51:56] <miss0r> I'm seriously worried about the downtime it will include. But I guess its nothing compared to what I will get if the old controller breaks down
[07:51:58] <miss0r> yeah
[07:52:04] <zeeshan|2> okay, your conversion will be chjeaper
[07:52:10] <zeeshan|2> cause you can reuse a lot of your drives!
[07:52:11] <zeeshan|2> :P
[07:52:21] <zeeshan|2> youre basically just replacing the controller
[07:52:34] <miss0r> "cheaper" "just"...
[07:52:37] <zeeshan|2> i think with the philips
[07:52:43] <zeeshan|2> you have external interpolators already
[07:52:47] <zeeshan|2> there was a guy here i forgot his name
[07:52:49] <zeeshan|2> starts with an A
[07:52:57] <zeeshan|2> he did a maho 400c conversion
[07:53:01] <miss0r> ...that narrows it doen... :)
[07:53:05] <zeeshan|2> we talked a lot cause we found similarities
[07:53:06] <zeeshan|2> haha
[07:53:31] <miss0r> asah, and it was a 400E - google suggests
[07:53:44] <zeeshan|2> thats it
[07:53:45] <zeeshan|2> :D
[07:54:04] <zeeshan|2> do you want his email
[07:54:35] <miss0r> i'll probally regret saying 'no' :) so, yes please
[07:54:52] <zeeshan|2> https://www.dropbox.com/home/Mikron%20Drawbar?preview=mh400e-8.3-04.png
[07:54:55] <zeeshan|2> he sent me this for maho
[07:55:18] <Demure_> Hmmm... Tightened the gibs, but same issue persists, no difference. Tried it at normal speed and was identical, tried it once more at 2.5 times slower, which came out a lot lot worse. Also adjusted backlash, but that didn't change anything either. ( http://i.imgur.com/LgKPfl5.jpg )
[07:55:20] <XXCoder> login required
[07:55:20] <zeeshan|2> https://www.dropbox.com/s/abmmue9j5bwostk/Master%20Wiring%20Diagram.pdf?dl=0
[07:55:23] <zeeshan|2> my wiring diagram
[07:55:24] <zeeshan|2> oh
[07:55:38] <zeeshan|2> https://www.dropbox.com/s/pz1o87ru9cyhgwm/IO.PDF?dl=0
[07:55:41] <zeeshan|2> my io diagram
[07:56:06] <zeeshan|2> https://www.dropbox.com/s/mtxr7tbnnxhfuny/mh400e-8.3-04.png?dl=0
[07:57:15] <miss0r> woah. Now this is something to get me started :)
[07:57:26] <zeeshan|2> damn it i lost his email
[07:57:35] <XXCoder> previous emails?
[07:57:40] <zeeshan|2> yea
[07:57:51] <Demure_> archivist: Gibs weren't it I'm afraid, any other ideas?
[07:59:47] <archivist> Demure_, keep looking for movement/gaps, even on Z
[08:00:20] <miss0r> zeeshan|2: yeah, you oficially made up my mind. i'll do this :)
[08:00:37] <Demure_> archivist: I tried the same test 2.5 times slower, which caused the same problem but much more severe (The offset in the square is now almost 0.9mm
[08:00:39] <zeeshan|2> plan it all out
[08:00:43] <zeeshan|2> and i bet you can convert over a month
[08:00:45] <archivist> Demure_, plus, that is an evil test, is your machine good enough
[08:01:05] <Demure_> archivist: Would this indicate lost steps over a mechanical problem?
[08:01:08] <archivist> .9 is pretty awful
[08:01:16] <miss0r> zeeshan|2: right. I will have to factor in that I had a mid that just started daycare, and I have a daytime job as well :)
[08:01:24] <miss0r> mid=kid
[08:01:28] <zeeshan|2> hehe
[08:01:51] <archivist> Demure_, have you tested for endfloat on the x y screws
[08:01:52] <Demure_> archivist: The first test at 2.5 times faster it.s about 0.1-0.15mm. No clue if my machine is good enough, but these results are very mediocre
[08:01:56] <zeeshan|2> just dont get stuck like me
[08:02:01] <zeeshan|2> my lathe has been sitting for 1 year
[08:02:08] <zeeshan|2> in a raped state
[08:02:09] <zeeshan|2> :{P
[08:02:11] <Demure_> archivist: What is endfloat?
[08:02:14] <archivist> only a year pfft
[08:02:34] <XXCoder> mostache face after saying raped :P
[08:02:35] <archivist> Demure_, play/backlash
[08:02:42] <zeeshan|2> hahahahah
[08:02:42] <miss0r> zeeshan|2: yeah. I do have jobs for this mill once in a while. I am trying to build a small company here, so too much downtime would hurt my reputation
[08:02:42] <zeeshan|2> :D
[08:03:07] <zeeshan|2> i've been getting by jobs that require lathe by giving it to my friend
[08:03:15] <zeeshan|2> and just taking a 20% cut
[08:03:33] <Demure_> archivist: I have about 0.01mm play on the X and Y axis combined, measured backlash which was about 0.04mm. I can't tighten the gibs any further without causing other issues, but the official EMCO specs match what I have now give or take.
[08:03:43] <zeeshan|2> or circular interpolation on the mill
[08:03:46] <zeeshan|2> if its a small enough part
[08:04:07] <XXCoder> I just want my cnc router to work :(
[08:04:17] <zeeshan|2> make it work!
[08:04:33] <archivist> Demure_, have you set backlash in your ini file
[08:04:34] <miss0r> zeeshan|2: yeah. I don't know too many with machenery equipment I can forward jobs to
[08:04:36] <Demure_> archivist: Am I wrong in thinking that, because the slower test made the effect worse, it's not mechanical related? i.e. it can only shift so far one way mechanically.
[08:04:39] <Demure_> archivist: Yes.
[08:04:41] <XXCoder> zee spindle styuff is killing me
[08:04:41] <miss0r> XXCoder: just do it :)
[08:04:45] <XXCoder> no idea what to do
[08:04:56] <miss0r> not doing anything won't make it work, that much I know
[08:05:18] <miss0r> XXCoder: What do you need?
[08:05:23] <XXCoder> yeah though wuth budget screwed up by car I cant buy spindle for a little while anyway
[08:05:47] <archivist> Demure_, if failing slower, that is a sign of gibs too tight or lost steps due to a sleeping driver
[08:05:49] <XXCoder> well I do want nice feedback system using 52mm spindle but behind that I dont know
[08:05:58] <miss0r> XXCoder: you are in the states, right?
[08:06:20] <archivist> Demure_, dont allow drives to power down
[08:06:46] <zeeshan|2> does anyone know how lathe turrets work
[08:06:48] <zeeshan|2> the mechanics
[08:06:49] <XXCoder> yeah
[08:06:49] <Demure_> archivist: I think I have them go to 50% or so when not moving, afaik otherwise no powering down.
[08:06:50] <zeeshan|2> like how they lock
[08:06:53] <zeeshan|2> how they index
[08:07:09] <zeeshan|2> and how does a slant bed lathe stop the X axis from dropping straight down
[08:07:13] <zeeshan|2> into the great abyss?
[08:07:21] <archivist> Demure_, some lose steps when coming backup
[08:07:21] <Tom_L> so zeeshan|2
[08:07:22] <zeeshan|2> especially when you do not need an external brake
[08:07:26] <miss0r> XXCoder: sad, I would have donated a 230v single phase 500watt spindle for you.
[08:07:26] <zeeshan|2> hi Tom_L
[08:07:29] <Tom_L> how's that lathe coming along???
[08:07:35] <zeeshan|2> Tom_L: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[08:07:45] <miss0r> :D
[08:07:50] <Demure_> archivist: I see, I'll turn that off and give it another go.
[08:07:51] <BeachBumPete> heh
[08:08:15] <miss0r> Tom_L: The way I see it. he is almost done.. preparing to start
[08:08:53] <XXCoder> miss0r: thanks heh yeah shipping'd be big. I guess its not 52mm diamter either
[08:08:55] <archivist> Demure_, also listen for consistent stepper sound with no jumps
[08:09:03] <Tom_L> thic could take longer than fixing his rx
[08:09:15] <miss0r> XXCoder: nah, but I could mill you a fixture and send it with.
[08:09:35] <Demure_> archivist: It sounds pretty consistent, but the spindle overpowers most stepper noise.
[08:09:39] <zeeshan|2> im actually trying to build a new welding cart right now
[08:09:43] <BeachBumPete> Ooooh Ouch
[08:10:30] <BeachBumPete> I so need to get an argon bottle....
[08:11:18] <XXCoder> lol probably but then my machine is pretty small :) I do plan to buy 52mm spindle but just messed up plan. orginial plan was to buy it this week
[08:23:43] <XXCoder> zeeshan|2: check this bideo out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZcLwStx6h4
[08:28:16] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan|2: wanna sell the lathe? :)
[08:29:33] <zeeshan|2> nop
[08:29:34] <zeeshan|2> :p
[08:29:56] <zeeshan|2> XXCoder: this guy has too much time
[08:29:57] <zeeshan|2> =P
[08:30:06] <XXCoder> capt?
[08:30:09] <zeeshan|2> no
[08:30:11] <zeeshan|2> the swiss cube guy
[08:30:23] <XXCoder> ahh its apparently required project
[08:30:36] <XXCoder> from what I understand anyway dunno whats beign spoken
[08:31:51] <CaptHindsight> XXCoder: you're supposed to have time for this in HS
[08:32:15] <XXCoder> deaf schools tend to be shitty on voc
[08:32:41] <XXCoder> only voc classes I had taken in hs is wood shop and art
[08:32:41] <CaptHindsight> these kids have better skills than some pros
[08:32:58] <XXCoder> probably not usa
[08:33:13] <Demure_> Is it correct that you need to change amps if you're microstepping (amps*sqrt(2))?
[08:33:27] <CaptHindsight> well until I saw him use a center punch to guide the drilling
[08:33:50] <CaptHindsight> it's not wood shop
[08:33:51] <XXCoder> he use cenetr punch, center drill then finally drill
[08:34:21] <CaptHindsight> looks goodd on the surface, just not accurate
[08:35:13] <CaptHindsight> finished with a reamer
[08:35:28] <XXCoder> yeah
[08:35:35] <XXCoder> end result looks very neat
[08:35:49] <sync> CaptHindsight: you can centerpunch well within a thou
[08:36:00] <CaptHindsight> now lets get out the metrology
[08:36:07] <CaptHindsight> and check the weather
[08:36:23] <CaptHindsight> weather or not it's accurate
[08:36:55] <CaptHindsight> sync: maybe you can mr robohands! :)
[08:37:49] <CaptHindsight> do HS still have machine shops?
[08:39:27] <sync> wat, it is not incredibly hard if your layout is good
[08:40:02] <gregcnc> I wonder if Central in CL still has a shop and has sat unused since I was there in the 90's. I never heard of them selling the machines
[08:40:34] <XXCoder> ask around youy might get one free heh
[08:41:06] <gregcnc> i signed up for metalworking, but was told I was the only one
[08:47:15] <rene-dev> pcw_home never mind, I checked the source, and it refers to the name length... firmware is working, thanks again!
[09:00:26] <Demure_> Ok, I'm confused on my amps setting. Motors are 3A at unipolar per phase and 2.1A bipolar per phase. My driver only takes 4 cables (Leadshine) and talks only about half-coil or full-coil. I've went with full-coil. I read elsewhere that if you're microstepping, you only use one phase at a time and can therefor multiply the amps by 1.4.
[09:00:57] <Demure_> But the leadshine manual says I should reduce the amps by only taking 70% of the rating when using full-coil.
[09:01:43] <Demure_> So before I overheat my motors, can anyone help me out with the right calculation here?
[09:02:15] <miss0r> zeeshan|2: Are you still around? it seems my mill uses the Philips PE2480/10 glassscale reader. And that sucks
[09:04:29] <archivist> demure you are using more than one coil at a time microstepping
[09:04:56] <archivist> do the motors have 5 6 or 8 wires
[09:05:02] <Demure_> archivist: 6 wires.
[09:05:11] <Demure_> http://catalog.orientalmotor.com/item/all-categories/pk-series-stepping-motors/pk268-03b
[09:05:22] <archivist> you can only have bipolar in series then
[09:06:20] <CaptHindsight> XXCoder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3V42KwLTeE Machining The "Impossible Dovetail" Puzzle
[09:06:30] <Demure_> So that would make the motors 2.1amps, should I then supply only 70% to them like the leadshine manual suggests?
[09:06:32] <XXCoder> clickspring?
[09:06:46] <Demure_> Because that would make for some very low amps
[09:07:26] <Demure_> (Clickspring's videos are such a joy to watch, if only there'd be more)
[09:07:32] <archivist> demure I tend to set the full current as it drops at speed due to inductance anyway
[09:07:49] <XXCoder> CaptHindsight: yep I guessed right lol
[09:08:06] <XXCoder> I love that. his weird dovetail endmill is little odd
[09:08:12] <Demure_> So setting it to 2.1 would be correct? Or could I go higher with that because of the inductance?
[09:08:20] <archivist> steppers getting warm is normal anyway
[09:08:33] <XXCoder> just not burn hand warm
[09:08:35] <archivist> I woud set 2.1
[09:08:47] <CaptHindsight> I got some to hit 105C
[09:09:19] <archivist> mine on pillars get to about 50
[09:09:37] <CaptHindsight> demaginitized the magnets
[09:09:37] <tiwake> CaptHindsight: he pronounced aluminum incorrectly, ragequit and closed video.
[09:09:45] <CaptHindsight> hehe
[09:09:57] <archivist> aluminium!!!!!
[09:10:12] <archivist> yanks and broken speeeeelin
[09:10:58] <CaptHindsight> yall talk funnie
[09:11:22] <tiwake> I draw the line at yall
[09:11:46] <CaptHindsight> cuz why?
[09:12:07] <CaptHindsight> we don't hear that much up here
[09:12:20] <tiwake> cause I recently moved from oregon to texas and I don't like it? :P
[09:13:29] <CaptHindsight> has it effected your accent yet?
[09:13:32] <tiwake> allyall is just so weird
[09:13:37] <CaptHindsight> hehe
[09:14:10] <tiwake> I don't think it can be found in websters 1828 dictionary
[09:14:17] <CaptHindsight> http://chicago.craigslist.org/wcl/tld/5867916155.html Soviet lathe from the cold war era
[09:15:54] <tiwake> used to make small sputnik parts
[09:16:15] <zeeshan|2> miss0r: doh
[09:16:32] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: ooh ooh ooh http://rockford.craigslist.org/for/5871672536.html
[09:16:46] <zeeshan|2> miss0r: what brand scales?
[09:17:03] <tiwake> CaptHindsight: for the most part I try to stay away from using words that cant be found in the dictionary
[09:17:17] <miss0r> zeeshan|2: philips PE2480/00
[09:17:18] <CaptHindsight> good rule
[09:17:36] <miss0r> zeeshan|2: and the readers are PE2480/10
[09:18:34] <zeeshan|2> ah
[09:18:43] <zeeshan|2> need a data sheet on them :D
[09:18:49] <miss0r> zeeshan|2: as far as I can read on the interwebs, everyone who have successfully converted a maho mill with philips scales, ended up replacing them with heidenheim or something like that
[09:18:57] <zeeshan|2> =/
[09:19:00] <zeeshan|2> that sounds $$
[09:19:10] <miss0r> Yeah, not free - thats for sure
[09:19:30] <miss0r> around 1200 EUR per channel
[09:19:34] <zeeshan|2> jeez
[09:19:50] <tiwake> there are exceptions, as some words that should be there really are not... kinda the same reason why I try to stay away from acronyms when typing, in an effort to stay explicitly clear when communicating
[09:20:13] <CaptHindsight> tiwake: I have fun with it at times
[09:20:22] <miss0r> And here I am thinking: its not like its some aincient greek language lost to time that they output. It must be possible to read it somehow
[09:20:44] <CaptHindsight> tiwake: sometimes the slang gets the point across
[09:20:45] <XXCoder> tiwake: wtf gtfo man ;)
[09:20:47] <miss0r> I mean, this '86 432 controller can do it. Something else should too
[09:21:04] <tiwake> XXCoder: stfu
[09:21:22] <XXCoder> lol
[09:21:25] <miss0r> lmao...
[09:21:51] <tiwake> silly english rules with all its exceptions :P
[09:22:00] <gregcnc> capthindsight i saw it this morning but thought it was one you posted yesterday, was going to check the logs
[09:22:19] <XXCoder> ti you should love ASL, only very few grammar rules
[09:22:27] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: I didn't see this one yesterday
[09:22:39] <CaptHindsight> looks like box ways
[09:22:42] <XXCoder> con: completely different mode of "speaking" so you will have hard time starting to learn
[09:22:49] <CaptHindsight> might be too worn
[09:23:01] <tiwake> XXCoder: american sign language? I know a couple people who cant talk and use it
[09:23:03] <gregcnc> close enough to look at
[09:23:05] <tiwake> and yeah
[09:23:13] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: there is that metal cabinet co out there
[09:23:15] <XXCoder> yea
[09:23:30] <gregcnc> I bet it has vee ways
[09:23:44] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: and then stop at Crandals for all you can eat chicken
[09:24:10] <miss0r> zeeshan|2: i just stumbled across a website from the neatherlands, that claim they can sell a complete mach3 convertion kit for the maho, for 6900 eur
[09:24:27] <zeeshan|2> sounds expensive :P
[09:24:31] <MacGalempsy> mornin all
[09:24:51] <miss0r> zeeshan|2: have this site translated. they do alot of machines :D http://www.cncretrofit.nl/draai-freesbank-ombouw-naar-mach3-p-34.html
[09:24:52] <CaptHindsight> miss0r: I'll be happy to do it delivered for $100K :)
[09:25:13] <miss0r> CaptHindsight: it seems they have you beat on the price ;)
[09:25:50] <CaptHindsight> miss0r: you get what you pay for :)
[09:25:55] <tiwake> oh man what should I do today
[09:26:04] <MacGalempsy> lol. nice salesman line
[09:26:06] <miss0r> hehe. I'd expect something covered in gold for $8k
[09:26:13] <tiwake> I could look up more glorious salt and tears
[09:26:24] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: is that a dial-a-speed drive?
[09:26:32] <MacGalempsy> the contacts will have gold
[09:27:15] <tiwake> MacGalempsy: a really really tough alloy evidently is 1/3 gold 2/3 titanium
[09:27:38] <MacGalempsy> i wad reading that the other day
[09:28:10] <tiwake> 3lbs of the alloy means there is 1lb of gold... so bloody expensive
[09:28:27] <tiwake> makes it useless for pretty much everything
[09:28:29] <MacGalempsy> u give me the gold, i have the titanium
[09:28:51] <Tom_L> zeeshan|2 did you see JT's weld table?
[09:29:16] <miss0r> I've gotta run. have a good one people
[09:31:25] <zeeshan|2> Tom_L: no
[09:31:41] <Tom_L> http://gnipsel.com/images/weld-table/
[09:31:54] <Tom_L> http://gnipsel.com/images/weld-table/weld-table-30.jpg
[09:32:12] <zeeshan|2> lol nice!
[09:32:29] <CaptHindsight> http://chicago.craigslist.org/sox/tls/5838140058.html another Logan with what appears to be a variable speed drive
[09:32:32] <zeeshan|2> he's going nuts with his plasma cutter
[09:32:33] <zeeshan|2> i love it
[09:32:38] <CaptHindsight> it was a kit
[09:32:42] <Tom_L> i think he bought the table
[09:32:42] <CaptHindsight> came laser cut
[09:32:44] <zeeshan|2> oh
[09:32:51] <zeeshan|2> hax
[09:32:56] <zeeshan|2> :d
[09:33:37] <CaptHindsight> https://weldtables.com/
[09:33:44] <CaptHindsight> no too shabby
[09:34:13] <BeachBumPete> huh that looks a lot heavier duty then I had imagined it would
[09:34:42] <CaptHindsight> extra beefy bigass welding table
[09:34:45] <pcw_home> rene-dev: yeah sorry, I pre-pended that card name to the firmware to avoid
[09:34:47] <pcw_home> mix-ups but that makes the name too long for the driver
[09:35:04] <BeachBumPete> its extra beefy but not all that big really
[09:35:34] <CaptHindsight> I was planning on a 4x8ft
[09:35:46] <BeachBumPete> now that would be extra big and beefy
[09:35:57] <Tom_L> well he's got that big one behind it too
[09:36:02] <BeachBumPete> the table I built for the race shop guys in Tn was 4x8
[09:36:04] <CaptHindsight> but it reality 2x3 would be used for welding and the rest would become temp storage :)
[09:36:20] <JT-Shop> zeeshan|2: https://weldtables.com/
[09:36:33] <BeachBumPete> it sure was nice to have that much space tho
[09:36:50] <zeeshan|2> jthornton: looks great
[09:36:50] <CaptHindsight> needs a shelf below
[09:36:52] <Tom_L> yeah _AND_ a shed for all his crap
[09:36:59] <BeachBumPete> JT-Shop how much do you have in that table now if you don't mind saying?
[09:37:36] <JT-Shop> https://weldtables.com/collections/fabblocks/products/certiflat-fb2436-fabblock-u-weld-kit-modular-welding-table
[09:37:51] <JT-Shop> 2 https://weldtables.com/collections/fabwings/products/certiflat-fw3612-fabwing-36-x-12-extension-table
[09:38:08] <JT-Shop> https://weldtables.com/collections/fabracks-1/products/fr2436-24x36-fabrack-cnc-tube-laser-leg-kit-for-fabblocks
[09:38:18] <JT-Shop> https://weldtables.com/collections/fabracks-1/products/heavy-duty-swivel-casters
[09:38:44] <JT-Shop> had coupons that covered shipping by joining their mailing list
[09:39:21] <CaptHindsight> 15% off now as well
[09:39:46] <tiwake> CaptHindsight: probably from the election
[09:39:54] <BeachBumPete> woah thats is like over 900 bucks then?
[09:39:54] <tiwake> :3
[09:40:01] <JT-Shop> they have sales all the time
[09:40:26] <Tom_L> BeachBumPete plus labor
[09:40:33] <Tom_L> he don't work free ya know!
[09:40:35] <BeachBumPete> yeah that is the expensive part
[09:40:44] <tiwake> JT-Shop: shush, its still amusing to think about
[09:41:16] <CaptHindsight> BeachBumPete: did you have the surface grinded for the 4x8?
[09:41:42] <JT-Shop> $905.75 to be exact including shipping
[09:41:44] <BeachBumPete> hell no
[09:42:43] <JT-Shop> for a 36" x 48" weld table on wheels $900 ain't bad
[09:44:12] <tiwake> CaptHindsight: did you see this? http://reason.com/blog/2016/11/10/colleges-cancelled-exams-for-students-tr
[09:45:33] <CaptHindsight> tiwake: yeah
[09:45:47] <tiwake> so silly
[09:48:33] <CaptHindsight> https://weldingsupply.com/cgi-bin/einstein.pl?PNUM::1:UNDEF:X:TM54738 $1750
[09:48:45] <CaptHindsight> without legs
[09:49:25] <_methods> legs are overrated
[09:49:36] <_methods> they're just crutches for the weak
[09:49:44] <CaptHindsight> good for low welds
[09:51:16] <CaptHindsight> I had a lathe like that
[09:59:42] <tiwake> _methods!
[09:59:48] <tiwake> _methods: I love you
[10:00:21] <_methods> hehe
[10:00:44] <tiwake> _methods: what should I do today?
[10:00:53] <_methods> go to an anti trump rally
[10:01:00] <tiwake> wha
[10:01:01] <_methods> lol
[10:01:31] <tiwake> _methods: I think the closest one is in austin texas...
[10:01:38] <tiwake> 6 hour drive
[10:01:42] <tiwake> 8 hour?
[10:01:54] <_methods> heheh
[10:02:09] <tiwake> my car would not make it, cant leave town that I'm in
[10:03:22] <tiwake> _methods: my clutch started slipping last week
[10:03:46] <CaptHindsight> tiwake: front wheel drive?
[10:04:00] <tiwake> _methods: so I'm babying it for another week or two... my dad agreed to loan me another 3-4k to get another car
[10:04:08] <tiwake> CaptHindsight: no, rearwheel
[10:04:52] <CaptHindsight> tiwake: we could talk you though the change if you have the time and tools
[10:06:02] <tiwake> CaptHindsight: no... the reason for not wanting to just change the clutch is cause of all the other issues
[10:06:26] <JT-Shop> shop stove is cleaned out and a few fire bricks replaced
[10:06:44] <CaptHindsight> tiwake: yeah, you have to know hen to call it quits
[10:06:58] <tiwake> CaptHindsight: and fixing all the other issues includes a new engine, redoing the brake lines so they dont leak, under the dash wiring, replacing some parts in the transmission...
[10:07:40] <tiwake> the new engine would change the configuration of the clutch/flywheel so that clutch that I would buy would be thrown away anyway
[10:07:52] <CaptHindsight> tiwake: I planned a 1 week repaint job and it's on week 3 right now
[10:07:59] <tiwake> hehe
[10:08:10] <tiwake> repainting is literally the last thing on the list
[10:08:15] <tiwake> and some bodywork
[10:08:20] <tiwake> might never happen
[10:08:36] <CaptHindsight> body panels were so cheap
[10:08:45] <CaptHindsight> $35 for each fender
[10:08:49] <tiwake> rear fender is caved in
[10:08:52] <CaptHindsight> the paint costs more
[10:09:28] <CaptHindsight> I just hate bondo jobs
[10:10:15] <pink_vampire> very critical bug, how come machine can go to a screen saver and sleep mode during the operation.
[10:11:18] <JT-Shop> because you let it
[10:11:22] <archivist> because you allowed it
[10:11:27] <JT-Shop> that's not a LinuxCNC setting
[10:11:45] <pink_vampire> but linux cnc should prevent it
[10:11:55] * JT-Shop goes to the new shop to hang a few lights
[10:11:57] <archivist> no it is an OS function
[10:14:29] <pink_vampire> you are wrong, if the cnc controller is running it must prevent the screen saver, but if the cnc controller is closed there is no problem to go to a screen saver mode
[10:14:49] <pcw_home> Nonsense
[10:14:56] <tiwake> so turn off the screensaver, not that big of a deal
[10:14:59] <JT-Shop> no your wrong the controller lives in the OS
[10:15:04] <JT-Shop> lol
[10:15:22] <pcw_home> you may want a screen saver when idle for hours
[10:16:03] <pink_vampire> even video players know how to prevent screen savers
[10:16:09] <malcom2073_> I always thought that was odd, that the linuxcnc distro would leave screensaver on
[10:16:23] <JT-Shop> so run a video player
[10:16:58] <gregcnc> just push keys randomly until the screen come back?
[10:17:16] <pcw_home> move the mouse
[10:17:19] <pink_vampire> and then do you want me to take you serious
[10:17:21] <CaptHindsight> it's more fun when screen blanking is enabled by default in the kernel
[10:17:54] <JT-Shop> it's not a problem for me...
[10:18:00] <tiwake> CaptHindsight: take a high resolution screenshot, print it, and hang in front of machine
[10:18:37] <gregcnc> the mouse works for me
[10:19:07] <malcom2073_> pink_vampire: It boils down to "not my issue" syndrome
[10:19:16] <tiwake> oh man that would be fantastic... I should do that to a guy at work for april 1st
[10:19:20] <gregcnc> I don't turn the machine off and pc/linuxcnc stays on for months
[10:19:23] <malcom2073_> Or rather, someone elses problem :-P
[10:20:01] <pink_vampire> but the machine go in to sleep mode during the cut!!
[10:20:05] <tiwake> malcom2073_: not really though, because its so simple to turn off
[10:20:12] <malcom2073_> tiwake: Exactly!
[10:20:13] <pink_vampire> that is huge problem
[10:20:21] <gregcnc> linuxcnc keeps runing
[10:20:26] <pink_vampire> no
[10:20:34] <gregcnc> them configure OS not to
[10:20:42] <pcw_home> it seem a bit silly, you can always disable in with the window manager settings
[10:20:42] <pink_vampire> the computer go to a sleep mode
[10:20:43] <gregcnc> Id did, fixed
[10:21:48] <gregcnc> Capthindsight, that Logan looks like a 6560
[10:22:06] <malcom2073_> pink_vampire: Basically, it's something you need to do on every fresh install, best to accept it and add it to the list.
[10:22:52] <pcw_home> same thing with BIOS power settings, you need to prepare the machine for the controller
[10:25:37] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: the one in Hebron?
[10:25:43] <gregcnc> yes
[10:25:58] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: variable speed wheel?
[10:26:32] <pink_vampire> if I was to install linuxcnc on my own linux desktop system, you are perfectly correct, the whole point of having linuxcnc distribution is that os settings should be changed to benefit the application (linuxcnc).
[10:26:46] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGdDFndGJow LOGAN 14" x 40" GEARED HEAD VARIABLE SPEED BENCH LATHE - #6560H
[10:27:18] <pink_vampire> show me one controller in the industry where you have to tweak it to not go to sleep.
[10:28:04] <pcw_home> pathpilot
[10:28:47] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: I hope it's not trashed
[10:28:51] <malcom2073_> pink_vampire: "Someone elses problem"
[10:28:56] <malcom2073_> Like I said, you gotta add it to the list.
[10:29:00] <pcw_home> sorry pathpilot does disable the screen saver but ist much more of a appliance
[10:29:03] <gregcnc> yeah, you never know
[10:30:57] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: used occasionally by wife as garden planter
[10:31:23] <pcw_home> pink_vampire: Also my wheezy installation did not sleep by default so its likely you enabled that feature
[10:32:11] <gregcnc> right, hopefully some accessories because in that size they start costing money
[10:32:27] <pcw_home> the default did enable the screesaver but that's not harmful to linuxcnc running
[10:32:51] <malcom2073_> Unless you're running a marginal system, in which case the screensaver uses 100% of cpu and causes realtime failures heh
[10:33:33] <pcw_home> well in that case take 5 seconds and turn it off
[10:35:45] <pink_vampire> but linux cnc is not desktop distro, is a cnc controller
[10:36:41] <pcw_home> patches ( that work on all window managers ) welcomed :-)
[10:36:46] * archivist points at the bug tracker and add a feature request
[10:37:29] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: lol http://rockford.craigslist.org/tls/5779049722.html "also too complicated for welders" those poor dumb souls
[10:37:44] <pcw_home> and it certainly can be desktop+CNC
[10:38:24] <gregcnc> I worked in a shop with bottom of the pay scale welders
[10:38:46] <archivist> I have had a buildbot running testing mysql while the machine was cutting
[10:39:22] <gregcnc> seemed like a lot had issues they were delaing with
[10:40:07] <pcw_home> And I have the screensaver running with a couple hour timeout on my test machines
[10:40:08] <pcw_home> (because they are left up all the time)
[10:43:47] <CaptHindsight> Lehmann Hydratol Lathe - $2500 http://southbend.craigslist.org/hvo/5871718265.html lotsa iron for that price
[10:45:48] <tiwake> CaptHindsight: thats the older style connection from the chuck to the lathe
[10:45:52] <tiwake> kinda annoying IMO
[10:46:11] <tiwake> the D-style is much much nicer
[10:48:46] <tiwake> but it could probably be converted
[10:51:04] <JT-Shop> the biggest way to NOT get help is to use kindergarten logic in your request "<pink_vampire> even video players know how to prevent screen savers"
[10:55:22] <zeeshan|2> help me!!!!!!!!!!
[10:55:25] <zeeshan|2> with lathe turrett!!!!!!
[10:55:26] <zeeshan|2> :D
[10:56:40] <sync> what is problem
[10:56:46] <zeeshan|2> no understand how it works. :p
[10:57:00] <zeeshan|2> it'd be nice to see an animation
[10:57:32] <BeachBumPete> well it kinda goes in and out and turns occasionally ;)
[10:57:43] <zeeshan|2> hehe
[10:57:49] <zeeshan|2> i wanna see the insides
[10:57:58] <BeachBumPete> so take the damn thing apart!
[10:58:02] <zeeshan|2> !
[10:58:09] <archivist> lazy git
[10:58:30] <archivist> is it apart yet?
[10:59:46] <zeeshan|2> it only weighs a couple hundred pounds
[10:59:50] <zeeshan|2> ONLY!
[11:00:30] <archivist> engine crane, we know you have one
[11:01:04] <BeachBumPete> so what man you got those hobbit hands should be easy for you ;)
[11:12:55] <Tom_L> you weenie
[11:14:59] <JT-Shop> you weenie, I moved my VMC with a toe jack and 2.4
[11:15:03] <JT-Shop> or 2x4 even
[11:15:20] <Tom_L> pry bar and pipe on the bridgeport
[11:15:53] * JT-Shop is out of t8 6500k bulbs so time to take a nap
[11:16:17] <Tom_L> ok, flat fixed, yard mowed/raked/blown.. showertime
[11:18:10] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: "There was a type error on the add. Asking price is $4,000 Ibo."
[11:18:35] <CaptHindsight> rofl at the price
[11:19:47] <archivist> offer the advertised price best offer!
[11:21:04] <CaptHindsight> delusional seller
[11:47:18] <pink_vampire> http://www.fivesgroup.com/
[11:47:35] <pink_vampire> soooo cute!!
[11:54:45] <gregcnc> what the fark?
[11:55:19] <gregcnc> capthindsight people don't even bother to read their ads
[12:00:35] <Demure_> Just had a weird issue, trying to jog small amounts with the X-axis made it bounce back and forth for a small period of time before the bounces became shorter and it came to a halt.
[12:00:48] <Demure_> Anyone know what causes this?
[12:01:16] <Tom_L> poor PID tuning?
[12:02:07] <Demure_> Even for open loop steppers?
[12:02:38] <Tom_L> it was a guess
[12:03:06] <Demure_> And I have no clue :P
[12:03:20] <Tom_L> are you using PID on them
[12:03:26] <Demure_> Yup
[12:03:32] <CaptHindsight> poor wiring, grounds, power, bad stepper driver, etc
[12:03:34] <Tom_L> that's a good place to look then
[12:03:39] <Demure_> Well, they're set in the INI
[12:04:24] <CaptHindsight> open loop PID?
[12:04:42] <Demure_> I simply used the PNCConf to create the ini and tweaked from there
[12:05:25] <Demure_> Would poor wiring cause this even though it's otherwise working reasonably?
[12:05:37] <Tom_L> it could
[12:05:43] <Tom_L> anything is possible
[12:05:47] <Tom_L> don't rule it out
[12:06:14] <CaptHindsight> start wiggling things
[12:06:26] <Demure_> While moving the axis?
[12:06:39] <Tom_L> i would
[12:07:03] <CaptHindsight> does it axis move when you wiggle the wires or the driver?
[12:07:26] <CaptHindsight> it/the
[12:07:30] <Demure_> Nope
[12:08:03] <Demure_> Ok, I think I figured it out
[12:08:09] <Demure_> It only happens when moving the other way
[12:08:18] <Demure_> So it must be related to the backlash compensation and maxaccel or something alike
[12:09:01] <tiwake> why would you have a CNC machine with any sizeable amount of backlash?
[12:09:59] <CaptHindsight> makin do with what yah haves
[12:10:16] <Demure_> Is 0.06mm sizeable?
[12:10:23] <_methods> entropy
[12:10:42] <tiwake> Demure_: yes.
[12:10:47] <tiwake> thats a lot... lol
[12:11:01] <tiwake> it should be an order of magnitude smaller, at the most
[12:11:27] <CaptHindsight> "get the lash out"
[12:11:31] <tiwake> wait
[12:11:45] <tiwake> derp I mathed so wrong
[12:11:56] <tiwake> thats 0.00015"
[12:12:20] <CaptHindsight> close 2-3 thou
[12:12:42] <Demure_> What did you think it was?
[12:12:45] <tiwake> and I'm still mathing wrong
[12:13:34] <Deejay> calculate in metric, thats easier ;)
[12:13:52] <tiwake> no its not, cause its not my frame of reference
[12:15:07] <CaptHindsight> 0.06mm = 60 microns = 0.00236"
[12:15:40] <_methods> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgF0C-yWID4
[12:15:43] <tiwake> hmm yeah... I must have typed in calculator incorrectly
[12:15:52] <_methods> they just finished the trump retrofit on air force 1
[12:16:31] <_methods> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPnFN7KzJ5c
[12:16:35] <_methods> and his new limousine
[12:17:01] <_methods> hehe
[12:17:36] <CaptHindsight> _methods: http://images.amcnetworks.com/ifc.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Idiocracy.jpg
[12:17:43] <_methods> right
[12:20:53] <nubcake> hi
[12:27:47] <zeeshan|2> MAN
[12:27:50] <zeeshan|2> er
[12:32:12] <CaptHindsight> _methods: where is that vid of the air force one gunship from?
[12:32:26] <_methods> from trump man
[12:32:34] <_methods> they just finished it up today
[12:32:41] <CaptHindsight> kewl
[12:32:41] <_methods> looks way better now
[12:33:05] <_methods> they're gonna paint it gold tomorrow
[12:33:13] <IchGucksLive> hi from Germany
[12:33:14] <_methods> with real gold
[12:56:29] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/EpSs0DZ.jpg
[12:56:30] <zeeshan|2> lol
[12:56:36] <zeeshan|2> my friends air dryer control box
[12:56:41] <zeeshan|2> chinese fuse holders. love it
[12:57:25] <malcom2073_> Lol, got a bit toasty in there
[12:57:31] <Deejay> ah, not the fuse should melt, but the fuse-holder! ;)
[13:14:54] <Wolf_> fused holder…
[13:41:02] <CaptHindsight> back up over current protection
[13:45:32] <pink_vampire> after 2 parts i got real time error in linux cnc
[13:45:59] <pink_vampire> is there a log to linux cnc?
[13:47:01] <pink_vampire> so i can investigate way or how much it it was off from the correct latency value
[13:47:17] <pink_vampire> way - why*
[13:50:15] <pcw_home> with"show hal configuration", look at the base thread stats
[13:50:24] <IchGucksLive> pink_vampire: at work running or only at standstill and USB use
[13:52:13] <pink_vampire> now the machine is running
[13:52:51] <pink_vampire> i want to investigate it after it finish
[13:54:54] <IchGucksLive> im off
[13:55:25] <pcw_home> you can investigate it now
[13:55:27] <pcw_home> an alternative to the "show hal configuration" menu item in axis is:
[13:55:28] <pcw_home> halcmd show thread
[13:55:30] <pcw_home> in a terminal window
[13:55:42] <tiwake> CaptHindsight: I still cant decide what I want to do today :-/
[13:57:44] <pcw_home> also on RTAI systems, LinuxCNC error messages are logged to the kernel log so can be printed with dmesg
[13:59:11] <MrSunshine> http://www.kullager.se/xcm/inv.jpg what are these parts called in english ?
[13:59:11] <Roguish> hey all. anyone familiar with Bolton Tools mills?
[14:00:11] <Roguish> that is a rod end
[14:00:15] <zeeshan|2> heim joints
[14:00:18] <zeeshan|2> or rod ends
[14:00:21] <zeeshan|2> spherical rod ends
[14:00:43] <Roguish> http://www.aurorabearing.com/index.html
[14:09:01] <pcw_home> I had a really big spherical bearing at one time (~2" ID) Always wondered how they were made
[14:10:51] <BeachBumPete> captured heim joint?
[14:11:06] <pcw_home> it kind of looked like the "outer race" was split into 2 rings and perhaps brazed/soldered while on the "sphere"
[14:14:17] <zeeshan|2> usually you put the sphere in
[14:14:23] <zeeshan|2> and swage the housing around it
[14:14:30] <zeeshan|2> not sure if that is still true for a 2" id
[14:14:40] <BeachBumPete> they make rebuildable ones that just screw together now
[14:14:48] <zeeshan|2> pic
[14:15:43] <zeeshan|2> https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQlL8nQIBubiNFCHni2xaCqt3OQWviDS2ht88Sx85F7AW0KEfyj
[14:15:45] <zeeshan|2> like this pete?
[14:15:58] <pcw_home> Yeah that make sense with 2 bearing ring inserts, the one I ha had no inserts though
[14:16:08] <BeachBumPete> something like that. those are high misalignment ones I think
[14:16:35] <BeachBumPete> they use them in offroad vehicles a lot now
[14:25:00] <zeeshan|2> man my welding cart design
[14:25:02] <zeeshan|2> is getting intense
[14:25:03] <zeeshan|2> lol
[14:35:59] <zeeshan|2> http://imgur.com/a/RjDFD
[14:49:00] <JT-Shop> I'd make it so you can change one bottle without disturbing the other one
[14:49:17] <JT-Shop> like a miller cart, just a bit wider in the back
[15:06:41] <pink_vampire> that is "joint 2 following error"
[15:07:05] <pink_vampire> the z axis was 300mm/min
[15:07:06] <pfred1> one toke over the line
[15:07:41] <pink_vampire> and i want to change it to 1000mm/min
[15:08:02] <pfred1> what's thati n inches?
[15:08:13] <pfred1> speak English damn you!
[15:08:45] <pink_vampire> but the machine in metric
[15:08:49] <pink_vampire> is*
[15:09:02] <pfred1> foreigners
[15:09:24] <pfred1> it is an even 39.37 inches
[15:09:48] <pink_vampire> but the scale is in mm
[15:10:54] <pink_vampire> I just trying to understand why i'm getting the error "joint 2 following error"
[15:11:59] <pfred1> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HM1MftCtIlg
[15:13:11] <pink_vampire> ??
[15:13:19] <pfred1> too many joints
[15:24:13] <zeeshan|2> JT-Shop: i barely weld enough to change bottles :P
[15:26:05] <Wolf_> I dunno about that bottle setup
[15:26:31] <zeeshan|2> why
[15:26:37] <Wolf_> but I totally hate loading bottles in to either of my carts already
[15:26:59] <zeeshan|2> you dont use a dolly to load em up?
[15:27:37] <zeeshan|2> i need a lift gate setup!
[15:28:06] <zeeshan|2> or some sort of ramp?
[15:30:13] <Wolf_> overhead crane…
[15:30:18] <zeeshan|2> !
[15:30:21] <Wolf_> I run 300cf bottles
[15:30:25] <zeeshan|2> jeez
[15:30:27] <zeeshan|2> you weld a lot
[15:31:03] <Wolf_> I have 125’s for backups when I run out between deliveries
[15:31:18] <Wolf_> err, wait, 80cf are backups
[15:32:58] <Wolf_> I forget, I have tanks everywhere, and now I need to get the shop cleaned out for the machines I’m picking up
[15:33:44] <zeeshan|2> what are you picking up
[15:35:13] <Wolf_> K&T 2H, wells-index 645, Cincinnati #2 Cutter and Tool Grinder and a wards branded atlas lathe
[15:36:24] <Wolf_> didn’t really want the lathe but it was a buy all the iron in the guys basement deal lol
[15:36:48] <zeeshan|2> nice :D
[15:38:06] <Wolf_> all the tooling for the machines included, but no mills/drills/taps, still need to see what he wants for all that stuff
[15:38:23] <zeeshan|2> better to buy that stuff new anyway
[15:38:29] <zeeshan|2> no point in using used tooling
[15:38:31] <zeeshan|2> unless its indexable
[15:38:40] <Wolf_> half of its new, some shell mills as well
[15:38:58] <Wolf_> + indexable shell mills...
[15:39:04] <Wolf_> http://i.imgur.com/jLgemdA.jpg
[15:39:10] <JT-Shop> zeeshan|2: when you change the inner bottle you will not be as happy as moving one of those heavy sucker
[15:39:16] <Wolf_> not like I can’t re-sharp lol
[15:39:27] <zeeshan|2> very nice
[15:39:30] <JT-Shop> do you have smaller bottles available up there
[15:39:36] <zeeshan|2> yea
[15:39:37] <zeeshan|2> but f that
[15:39:42] <zeeshan|2> i like the size 50cf
[15:39:44] <zeeshan|2> its economical
[15:40:01] <zeeshan|2> i honestly load up the bottles with a dolly..
[15:40:02] <Wolf_> oh wait, what size bottles on that cart?
[15:40:33] <zeeshan|2> wait its not 50cf
[15:40:33] <zeeshan|2> lol
[15:40:42] <zeeshan|2> its been a while :P
[15:40:49] <zeeshan|2> i know its a #50
[15:41:12] <zeeshan|2> ok got my reciept
[15:41:17] <zeeshan|2> 355cf
[15:41:23] <zeeshan|2> is the big guy
[15:42:03] <Wolf_> yeah thats the same I run 355 or 370 or something
[15:42:14] <zeeshan|2> smaller one is 150cf
[15:42:35] <zeeshan|2> tare weight is 130lb for the big one
[15:43:46] <Wolf_> yeah, enough to be a pain in the ass to lift up 8” off the floor
[15:43:56] <zeeshan|2> 4 3/4"
[15:44:21] <Wolf_> both of my carts have lips on the bottle decks =/
[15:44:52] <JT-Shop> my Miller cart for the 212 with a spool gun is 2" from the floor and they are side by side so very easy to change
[15:45:04] <zeeshan|2> i dont have space for side by side :(
[15:45:11] <sector_0> which of these should I buy?
[15:45:12] <JT-Shop> I want to see the video of you changing the inner bottle lol
[15:45:12] <sector_0> http://www.ebay.com/itm/TB6600-DC-10-45V-Hybrid-Stepper-Motor-Driver-Single-Axis-Controller-Modules-/272386035818?hash=item3f6b79106a:g:IM8AAOSwYIxX45b-
[15:45:17] <sector_0> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Single-Axis-TB6600-0-2-5A-CNC-Engraving-Machine-Stepper-Motor-Driver-Controller-/311563537843?hash=item488aa24db3:g:yGkAAOSwzaJX7IMo
[15:45:20] <JT-Shop> yea you do you just don't know it
[15:45:21] <Wolf_> my 210 is higher, and only single tank
[15:45:22] <zeeshan|2> jt
[15:45:27] <zeeshan|2> you see the blue hss tubing?
[15:45:33] <zeeshan|2> that is threaded
[15:45:39] <zeeshan|2> thats why i got knobs there..
[15:45:43] <zeeshan|2> it does not lift out
[15:45:52] <zeeshan|2> both those blue things are removable
[15:46:07] <zeeshan|2> you load the big tank first, then the small one
[15:46:14] <zeeshan|2> then put the blue bars in place
[15:46:56] <JT-Shop> I figured that but getting that inner bottle in and out will be a PIA
[15:46:57] <Wolf_> I think my shop is going to need a gantry crane anyways with that damn K&T 2H in there...
[15:47:05] <zeeshan|2> why
[15:47:07] <zeeshan|2> i dont see why!
[15:47:08] <JT-Shop> unless you just give it a shove...
[15:47:19] <JT-Shop> you can't tip the bottle to roll it
[15:47:22] <zeeshan|2> o
[15:47:55] <Wolf_> I would make it slide load the 150 in the middle, big tank out the back maybe
[15:48:08] <JT-Shop> with as much weight you have in the front the rear wheels can be in front of the bottles
[15:50:30] <zeeshan|2> i'll tack it up and try it :P
[15:50:45] <zeeshan|2> but you did make me realize that i need a ramp in the back
[15:50:51] <zeeshan|2> my current setup is only 1" off the ground
[15:50:53] <zeeshan|2> so easy to load
[15:51:00] <JT-Shop> once you tack it up you might as well weld it
[15:51:06] <zeeshan|2> lol
[15:51:36] <JT-Shop> I've prob changed 50-75 bottles so I have a tiny bit of experience changing them
[15:51:53] <zeeshan|2> ive changed them 1/2 that :P
[15:52:02] <JT-Shop> and bad cart designs make that even harder, I've had a few bad carts
[15:52:03] <zeeshan|2> but i was younger
[15:52:04] <zeeshan|2> ;[
[15:52:27] <JT-Shop> I'll get you a photo of the cart I made for the suitcase welder after while
[15:53:08] <zeeshan|2> ill just put a goddamn linear bearing on the bottom!
[15:53:09] <JT-Shop> it's similar in shape to your design
[15:53:31] <JT-Shop> no good you need a spring loaded ejection seat!
[15:53:41] <JT-Shop> or explosive bolts!
[15:53:42] <JT-Shop> lol
[15:53:45] <zeeshan|2> :D
[15:53:46] <Wolf_> lol
[15:54:01] <JT-Shop> I got it get an air bag and mount that in front
[15:54:19] <zeeshan|2> instead of loading it from the back
[15:54:21] <zeeshan|2> i could load it from the side
[15:54:33] <zeeshan|2> actually that'll be wayyy too much work
[15:54:35] <zeeshan|2> to change the frame
[15:54:36] <JT-Shop> touch that off and cart and bottles separate like you never seen before lol
[15:54:36] <Wolf_> front back and side to side air switches :P
[15:54:53] <zeeshan|2> haha
[15:55:07] <JT-Shop> build a crane to lift them out lol
[15:55:19] <zeeshan|2> grantry built into cart?
[15:55:21] <zeeshan|2> now you're talking!
[15:55:31] <JT-Shop> yea with Internet
[15:55:40] <Wolf_> hmm, better idea, set the rear wheels on to it like the helicopter skid hanger wheels
[15:55:47] <Wolf_> lay the frame of it on the floor
[15:56:05] <zeeshan|2> ill need to go check my space
[15:56:13] <zeeshan|2> im pretty positive i cant put them beside each other
[15:56:14] <zeeshan|2> :(
[15:56:35] <Wolf_> or how the cam axles work on tow truck dolly bars
[15:56:53] <JT-Shop> the 212 cart is 3" wider on each side than the 212
[15:57:03] <JT-Shop> gotta run
[15:57:30] <Wolf_> 300 tank is 9” diam I think
[15:57:39] <zeeshan|2> ya
[15:57:43] <zeeshan|2> i current have it modelled as 10"
[15:57:51] <zeeshan|2> cause i was anticipating i need gap
[15:57:58] <zeeshan|2> i basically have 1.5" clearance
[15:58:11] <zeeshan|2> was hoping that was enough to rock back and forth
[15:58:24] <Wolf_> I do need to build a new tank deck for my miller 210
[15:58:56] <Wolf_> and add a hanger that will actually hold the damn spool gun lines
[15:59:11] <zeeshan|2> that is one thing i cant stand
[15:59:14] <zeeshan|2> cables everywhere
[15:59:17] <sector_0> why those the tb6600 modules have a dir+ and a dir- pin?
[15:59:17] <zeeshan|2> when trying to drag the cart
[15:59:36] <sector_0> and like wise for pul+, pul-, ena+, and ena-
[15:59:58] <sector_0> what are the negative pins for?
[16:00:33] <Wolf_> its a choose your setup thing, cheaper for them to make and universal
[16:02:48] <Wolf_> hmm, more I think about it, that tool and surface grinder won’t be a bad thing to have in the shop
[16:14:28] <pcw_home> You can also drive the + and - pins differentially and get better noise immunity
[16:17:08] <pfred1> sector_0 one of my "TB6600"s is junk
[16:17:26] <pfred1> the good one just has clock and dir and +5 in
[16:18:29] <pfred1> the one with the + & - inputs is crap
[16:19:17] <pfred1> which is weird because it worked when i bench tested it
[16:20:11] <pfred1> but a repalcement drive is on order so I'm not evne going to bother trying to see what is going on
[16:44:31] <Deejay> gn8
[17:12:40] <sector_0> pfred1, so you're saying that I should go for the ones without differential?
[17:15:08] <pfred1> sector_0 I'll show you the ones i got that work good
[17:15:43] <pfred1> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/High-Quality-TB6600-DC12-45V-Two-Phase-Hybrid-Stepper-Motor-Driver-Controller/32608542477.html?spm=2114.01010208.3.1.GhFWEl&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_2,searchweb201603_1&btsid=7ef32ec2-e329-47d9-8697-2efdd5205904
[17:15:50] <pfred1> that drive works great
[17:16:02] <malcom2073_> I've used those, if they work, they work great
[17:16:26] <malcom2073_> I've had two out of like... 12? be DOA but through ebay so I've always been able to get replacements
[17:16:36] <sector_0> pcw_home, so I can drive it without a differential drive
[17:16:40] <sector_0> cool
[17:16:52] <pfred1> these suck https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Upgrade-Plate-4257-TB6600-TB6560-stepper-motor-driver-drives-the-plate-4A-32-segments/32662380191.html?spm=2114.01010208.3.1.q9u0u3&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_2,searchweb201603_1&btsid=ec4afd3a-6c49-4356-ac93-2b32527b3ccc
[17:17:16] <sector_0> yeah that's the one I'm looking at buying
[17:17:26] <pfred1> yeah avoid it like the plague
[17:17:35] <sector_0> incidentally, they're cheaper than the ones that are fully enclosed
[17:17:42] <pfred1> it is not evne close to a real TB6600
[17:18:06] <pfred1> whatever is under that heatsink is a surface mount chip
[17:18:26] <pfred1> I'll let you know when I pull the one I have apart over here
[17:18:56] <sector_0> pfred1, no I was referring to the first one you posted
[17:18:56] <sector_0> never saw the later
[17:18:59] <pfred1> mine is totally screwing up in my machien right now
[17:19:10] <pfred1> yeah the first drives are great
[17:19:28] <pfred1> I jsut ran my X axis up to 174 inches per minute and it would have gone faster
[17:20:01] <pfred1> I only have 2 amp motors too
[17:20:13] <sector_0> pfred1, what about these?
[17:20:13] <sector_0> http://www.ebay.com/itm/291806175328?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
[17:20:42] <pfred1> I never had them just the other two
[17:20:59] <pfred1> they look like they have nice heatsinks on them
[17:20:59] <XXCoder> thats what I have, 3 of em sector heh
[17:21:13] <pfred1> I don't like setting current with DIP switches though
[17:21:18] <pfred1> pots are better control
[17:21:41] <XXCoder> cheaper unfortunately
[17:21:41] <pfred1> I'm not sure which that drive has but get a pot if you can
[17:21:51] <XXCoder> I wonder if you can replace dip switches with pot
[17:22:02] <XXCoder> without smoking it like pot
[17:22:04] <pfred1> is it worth the trouble?
[17:22:08] <XXCoder> dunno
[17:22:23] <pfred1> a drive with a pot is 7 bucks and change
[17:22:56] <sector_0> I'm going with the pot drive
[17:23:00] <pfred1> the decent TB6600 drives are incredible
[17:23:24] <XXCoder> hope mine are LOL I got em to replace tb6560
[17:23:34] <sector_0> I've previously used a4988 with my 3d printer so I have an idea about what i'm doing
[17:23:34] <pfred1> if someone would have told me stepper drives were goingto get this cheap I'd have never believed it
[17:23:56] <pfred1> yeah I replaced 6560s
[17:24:02] <pfred1> these are twice the performance
[17:24:08] <XXCoder> nice
[17:24:18] <XXCoder> my machine couldnt run smoothly at lower speeds
[17:24:19] <pfred1> they're quiet too
[17:24:42] <pfred1> I am running in quarter step mode and they're silky smooth
[17:25:13] <pfred1> I might go back up to 1/8th stepping because i really don't need this speed
[17:25:32] <pfred1> my max travel is only 17 inches
[17:25:52] <pfred1> so at 174 IPM that is 7 seconds across
[17:26:10] <pfred1> I'm not that impatient
[17:27:33] <pfred1> my Z axis is still a bit sluggish though it can only do 90 IPM
[17:27:43] <pfred1> so i am thinking about rebuilding the linears on it
[17:29:00] <pfred1> because running a job there is a lot of Z up and down
[17:29:16] <pfred1> it takes a lot of time
[17:29:58] <Tom_L> so make your z moves as short as possible
[17:34:02] <pfred1> Tom_L I try it still adds up to a large portion of the time
[17:34:26] <pfred1> I usually make it like a tenth of an inch maybe 2 tenths
[17:34:59] <Tom_L> 4x what you need =)
[17:35:08] <pfred1> probably
[17:35:24] <pfred1> I got a spindle on order too
[17:35:29] <pfred1> ER11
[17:35:39] <XXCoder> looks like I can do BOB -> VFD -> 52mm spindle?
[17:35:42] <pfred1> so I might rebuild Z just for it
[17:36:03] <pfred1> I didn't go for a VFD spindle just one of the DC ones
[17:36:14] <pfred1> I hope it is quieter than my router
[17:36:34] <pfred1> man that router is noisy
[17:36:41] <XXCoder> http://www.ebay.com/itm/CNC-400W-Brushless-Spindle-Motor-ER11-driver-speed-controller-Mount-engraving-/261991164249
[17:36:47] <pfred1> I thought of covering my machine in foam to try to deaden it some
[17:36:49] <XXCoder> would that work for me?
[17:37:02] <XXCoder> pf use hocket pucks as feet
[17:37:28] <pfred1> XXCoder there's no ice here
[17:37:36] <pfred1> why would we have hockey pucks?
[17:37:42] <XXCoder> can still order hockey pucks lol
[17:37:47] <XXCoder> welcome to internet pf :)
[17:38:02] <pfred1> once my yard did ice over and I tried to skate on it
[17:38:10] <pfred1> almost
[17:38:31] <pfred1> my whole machine is made out of wood so it is like a big sounding board
[17:39:05] <XXCoder> use pads of HDPE to damp sound between wood-wood contacts?
[17:39:25] <pfred1> http://i.imgur.com/t75QZEc.jpg
[17:39:38] <pfred1> well the Z axis is HDPE
[17:40:02] <XXCoder> whats most major source of vibration anyway
[17:40:08] <pfred1> the router
[17:40:11] <XXCoder> im guessinmg spindle, followed by stepper
[17:40:27] <pfred1> with the new drives my stepper motors are quiet
[17:40:43] <pfred1> the old drives sounded like aliens plotting to take over the world
[17:41:00] <pfred1> wooo weee wooo
[17:41:10] <pfred1> it was really annoying
[17:41:26] <XXCoder> lol
[17:41:48] <XXCoder> did you see spindle at my libk above?
[17:42:14] <pfred1> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpqUpuAK-tQ
[17:43:02] <pfred1> it used to be quite musical
[17:43:24] <XXCoder> I assume you arent lying lol cant hear anything as usual :)
[17:43:43] <zeeshan|2> jthornton: http://imgur.com/a/RjDFD
[17:43:45] <zeeshan|2> Wolf_: ^
[17:43:47] <XXCoder> ugh I hate youtube anti-movement effect, makes me dizzy twice as fast
[17:43:48] <zeeshan|2> ramp baby!
[17:43:56] <sync> https://www.dropbox.com/s/9j9x38tsfovaove/IMG_0991.MOV?dl=0
[17:44:23] <zeeshan|2> sync
[17:44:25] <zeeshan|2> awesome!
[17:44:25] <XXCoder> fancy
[17:45:00] <pfred1> I'm not exactly Stanley Kubrick when it comes to making films
[17:45:05] <Tom_L> meh
[17:45:19] <Tom_L> why doesn't the ramp go vertical all the way?
[17:45:32] <zeeshan|2> cause i like it like this!
[17:45:44] <Tom_L> and lift and hook over the cross bar
[17:45:46] <pfred1> a vertical ramp is a wall
[17:45:57] <zeeshan|2> lol pfred1
[17:46:04] <DaViruz> archivist: you mentioned accuracy in worm gear reductions the other day, how would you go about measuring that?
[17:46:11] <DaViruz> high count encoder?
[17:46:21] <Tom_L> zeeshan|2 is that 1" tube
[17:46:26] <zeeshan|2> no
[17:46:27] <zeeshan|2> 1.5
[17:46:30] <Tom_L> 65 or 90 wall
[17:46:39] <zeeshan|2> 1/8 wall
[17:46:51] <Tom_L> uber thick
[17:46:55] <zeeshan|2> yes
[17:47:29] <zeeshan|2> weighs 180lb
[17:47:29] <zeeshan|2> :D
[17:47:40] <zeeshan|2> i needed this project
[17:47:46] <zeeshan|2> itll be my first project where ill mig it all up
[17:47:48] <pfred1> what project?
[17:47:49] <zeeshan|2> with the exception of the ramp
[17:47:50] <zeeshan|2> that'll be tig
[17:47:56] <zeeshan|2> weld cart
[17:47:59] <zeeshan|2> im replacing my current one
[17:48:07] <Tom_L> it'll make your floor sink
[17:48:07] <zeeshan|2> in hopes to increase space in the shop
[17:48:08] <sync> zeeshan|2: all opensores controlled :P
[17:48:30] <pfred1> I keep my welder under a bench
[17:48:32] <zeeshan|2> you guys have been very busy in mother germany
[17:48:39] <pfred1> but it is on a cart too
[17:48:57] <zeeshan|2> right now my tig has a cart with plasma just sitting there
[17:49:01] <zeeshan|2> and another cart for mig
[17:50:16] <sync> also observe the stiffness optimized plate where its mounted zeeshan|2 :P
[17:50:28] <sync> it is 12mm steel, but that is not enough at all
[17:51:03] <Wolf_> needs drawers for tig parts IMO
[17:51:11] <Wolf_> and plasma consumables
[17:52:21] <pfred1> I'm wondering if the bridge isn't blown in my welder
[17:53:50] <XXCoder> ok let me figure this - PWM allows linuxcnc to set rpm speed on spindle?
[17:55:14] <pfred1> you need to change your speeds?
[17:55:38] <pfred1> I just use little tools and cut soft materials so that means all the way up
[17:55:59] <XXCoder> problem is I cant hear if its cutting badly or not, so I want to be able set speeds
[17:56:06] <XXCoder> and know what rpm its going at
[17:56:59] <pfred1> I think you can more see than hear a bad cut
[17:57:16] <pfred1> maybe not though?
[17:57:35] <pfred1> oh for sure you can see if bits are burning up or the work
[17:57:58] <XXCoder> yeah
[17:58:10] <archivist> DaViruz, yes I have tried that, but the encoder has errors too, last xmas I had a go using encoders http://www.archivist.info/cnc/wormtest/ but there is some aliasing to average out that I never got around to dealing with
[17:58:13] <pfred1> that's what to avoid if it weren't for that i mean who cares what it sounds like?
[17:58:24] <pfred1> as long as it gets the job done
[17:58:31] <XXCoder> theres bunch of stuff I am not sure though like will pwm controlled spindle lose power if slower speed for example
[17:58:50] <pfred1> yes like hogging into aluminum
[17:59:07] <pink_vampire> i did a few test cuts in linux cnc
[17:59:09] <pfred1> then you'd want to hear it bogging down
[17:59:36] <pfred1> I'll say this for the router I'm using now it cuts wood like it's not even there
[17:59:36] <XXCoder> yeah that is something I cannot do
[17:59:42] <XXCoder> I lack nesscary sense ;)
[18:00:00] <pfred1> get a laser tach
[18:00:03] <XXCoder> pink how did it go
[18:00:41] <pfred1> or you could run a spindle with a sensor in it
[18:00:44] <pink_vampire> and on one part it didn't cut all the way.
[18:00:44] <tiwake> https://lubbock.craigslist.org/bfs/5873243182.html
[18:00:52] <tiwake> forklift, industrial sink
[18:00:56] <tiwake> so much want
[18:01:07] <XXCoder> pf yea that was what i was wondering
[18:01:16] <XXCoder> im not too sure what PWM does though
[18:01:26] <pfred1> yeah if you're deaf i could see spindle output beign handy
[18:01:26] <XXCoder> set spindle speed?
[18:01:26] <tiwake> a pizza oven thing
[18:01:34] <tiwake> oh man I want all those things
[18:01:54] <Wolf_> … I just want pallet racking
[18:01:56] <pfred1> heck I can hear and there's time millign whne I'd like to know what speed I'm running
[18:01:58] <XXCoder> ti just do 5 finger discount ;)
[18:02:18] <tiwake> got some rollers or whatever
[18:02:19] <pfred1> i cna hear but I can't hear so godo i can tell RPMs apart that good
[18:02:24] <tiwake> yeah I need a pickup
[18:02:32] <XXCoder> pf yeah was wondering about RPM sensor of some kind
[18:02:34] <tiwake> I just talked myself into getting a pickup
[18:03:07] <XXCoder> I do love some industual stuff theyre designed to take abuse for years
[18:03:17] <tiwake> jep
[18:03:19] <Wolf_> I talked myself in to a small mill yesterday…
[18:03:36] <tiwake> XXCoder: home use stuff is so fragile
[18:03:39] <tiwake> and junk
[18:03:41] <tiwake> bleh
[18:03:43] <pfred1> I wonder if you could get the hall effect out of a distributor?
[18:03:44] <XXCoder> yea
[18:03:48] <pfred1> they can take a beating
[18:04:00] <XXCoder> pfred1: from junkyeard maybe
[18:04:14] <XXCoder> wiring dunno how do that lol
[18:04:26] <pfred1> if it is in a car it can't be that hard
[18:04:26] <Wolf_> hall effect for rpm? really cheap to do
[18:04:44] <tiwake> flipping though graigslist with a beer in hand... I think its time to grab some apple schnapps
[18:04:50] <pfred1> they expect grease monkeys to fix them
[18:05:01] <XXCoder> ti careful or wake up with 20 amazon boxes ;)
[18:05:29] <tiwake> ha
[18:05:30] <XXCoder> and 3 weeks later 20 aliexpress boxes lol
[18:05:39] <tiwake> well
[18:05:39] <pfred1> I got halfway with my laser tach project here before I put it aside I was making good progress though
[18:05:45] <tiwake> last night I did order a new cellphone
[18:05:46] <tiwake> ha
[18:06:05] <tiwake> shipping from china is what the listing said, so who knows when it arrives
[18:06:32] <pfred1> I ordered stuff last night and it literally could show up next year
[18:07:02] <pfred1> though it usually takes about 23 days or so to get it
[18:07:41] <tiwake> ordered a cellphone made by intex, which is a company in india
[18:07:41] <pfred1> frankly after the control box I could use a break
[18:08:30] <tiwake> after I get a spare car I might get a new computer, then start collecting parts to build a CNC machine with, and finally get to use linuxCNC
[18:09:11] <pfred1> tiwake there's not that much to using LinuxCNC it is the CAM side of it that gets me
[18:09:20] <pfred1> generating G Code
[18:09:31] <XXCoder> cam sucks on linux computers generally :(
[18:09:37] <pfred1> yup
[18:10:08] <pfred1> but I've come up with some convoluted things that work OK
[18:10:33] <pfred1> F engrave is pretty cool
[18:10:54] <pfred1> but i learned it doesn't scale things right all the time
[18:11:06] <tiwake> what is the leading tool for Gcode these days anyway?
[18:11:10] <pfred1> I learned that isolation routing a PCB
[18:11:16] <tiwake> can we throw developers at it?
[18:11:45] <pfred1> there's a couple neat things
[18:11:47] <XXCoder> freecad has developing cam
[18:11:52] <XXCoder> its not very good but,..
[18:12:00] <XXCoder> more devs = faster
[18:12:02] <pfred1> I couldn't get a new copy of freecad to build on this system
[18:12:16] <XXCoder> what system
[18:12:19] <pfred1> I forget what held me up with that
[18:12:23] <tiwake> yeah, last I looked freecad could use some help
[18:12:31] <pfred1> the PC I use it has an old distro on it
[18:12:36] <tiwake> missing a lot of features to make it useful software
[18:12:55] <tiwake> I really liked how modular it felt though
[18:13:02] <pfred1> for a while the nazi running the project was against imperial scale but I think he finally relented on that?
[18:13:13] <tiwake> wait what?
[18:13:13] <pfred1> or someone just wrote the module for him
[18:13:39] <pfred1> for years freecad didn't support imperial
[18:14:04] <tiwake> that makes it immediately not useful for me
[18:14:05] <tiwake> lol
[18:14:06] <pfred1> but based on what I've seen I think it might today
[18:14:24] <pfred1> yah it was a big sticking point with that project
[18:14:31] <pfred1> the lead dev is a prima donna german
[18:14:47] <tiwake> literal nazi
[18:14:47] <pfred1> in the way that only germans can be prima donnas
[18:15:10] <pfred1> he was right and the rest of the world was dead wrong
[18:15:25] <tiwake> and yet trump was elected president
[18:15:25] <pfred1> their mailing list about it is hilarious
[18:15:26] <tiwake> <3
[18:15:49] <pfred1> go back far enough and you'll even see a couple messages i left
[18:16:12] <pfred1> before i got tired of talking to a wall
[18:16:15] <XXCoder> imperial works fine
[18:16:31] <pfred1> well his argument was he doesn't use it so he's not going to waste his time on it
[18:16:43] <tiwake> so somebody else worked on it
[18:16:43] <XXCoder> pf more like hes right with most world and america and one other country is wrong
[18:16:53] <XXCoder> imperial are really used in 2 countries
[18:17:17] <pfred1> well if it wasn't for America the rest of the world wouldn't have computers, or the Internet
[18:17:23] <tiwake> I'll keep it till I die
[18:17:27] <pfred1> or transistors
[18:17:29] <tiwake> pfred1: or jews
[18:17:44] <pfred1> or the C programming language
[18:17:51] <tiwake> or the laser
[18:17:54] <pfred1> dennis grew up in my home town
[18:18:00] <pfred1> I knew him
[18:18:01] <XXCoder> usa lost its tech lead little while ago
[18:18:09] <pfred1> bullshit
[18:18:18] <pfred1> we're still light years ahead of the rest of the worl
[18:18:22] <tiwake> yeah not really, everything is still pretty much designed in USA
[18:18:28] <pfred1> so far ahead they don't evne realize it
[18:18:37] <Roguish> now try this for a touch screen .... http://computers.woot.com/offers/hp-ld4245tm-41-92-interactive-touch-signage-display?ref=cp_cnt_wp_14_7
[18:18:50] <Jymmm> pfred1: Yeah, not as much as you think... China has MASTERED silicone replication =)
[18:19:04] <tiwake> XXCoder: USA lost its manufacturing capability, more or less
[18:19:14] <Jymmm> tiwake: decades ago
[18:19:15] <tiwake> not the ability
[18:19:17] <XXCoder> with current anti-science polications it wont last long, this edge'
[18:19:17] <pfred1> we manufacture things in the USA
[18:19:24] <pfred1> they're just not htings people can afford to buy
[18:19:29] <Jymmm> pfred1: Name ONE TV made in the USA ?
[18:19:40] <pfred1> we don't make consumer crap like that
[18:19:47] <Jymmm> lol
[18:19:54] <pfred1> we make the machiens that make the parts that go into TVs
[18:19:59] <tiwake> Jymmm: prototype OLED TVs I'm sure exist somewhere that some microfab made
[18:20:02] <tiwake> ;)
[18:20:04] <Jymmm> If NAFTA ever falls thru, wer're fucked =)
[18:20:11] <Roguish> https://www.reference.com/technology/televisions-made-america-18d4d02516046f15
[18:20:48] <tiwake> Jymmm: why would it fall though?
[18:20:53] <pfred1> we also invented the TV
[18:20:53] <Jymmm> Roguish: Philips has never made a tv in the us, they might rebrand one though
[18:21:33] <tiwake> pfred1: that does not help what is right now though
[18:21:39] <pfred1> the guy that came up with raster scannign thought it up while starign at a wheat field
[18:21:49] <tiwake> what matters right now is what is done
[18:22:22] <pfred1> tiwake we're doing plenty today but I just haven't ehard about it yet
[18:22:26] <tiwake> complaining about how much carbondioxide is in the atmosphere does not help what is done right now
[18:22:33] <Jymmm> if there was a shipping embago for anythign inbound to the usa, were screwed
[18:22:41] <XXCoder> there is few solutions we can do
[18:23:03] <tiwake> Jymmm: personally I don't see a problem with matching the taxes for the given country
[18:23:08] <pfred1> Jymmm who is going to embargo us?
[18:23:14] <tiwake> matching the import tax
[18:23:16] <XXCoder> stop digging coal and pumping oil, or more properly slow down and heavily support non-oil power sources
[18:23:30] <tiwake> XXCoder: I... wha
[18:23:31] <Jymmm> XXCoder: go safe nuke
[18:23:38] <tiwake> there is so much
[18:23:41] <pfred1> XXCoder when alternatives become competitive they will be embraced by the market
[18:23:54] <Jymmm> XXCoder: one mini safe nuke can power 16 homes easily
[18:24:04] <tiwake> pfred1: to be fair, nuclear power is quite competitive... just politics does not want to do it
[18:24:19] <pfred1> as i understand it nuclear isn't very competitive at all
[18:24:27] <XXCoder> Jymmm: its very hard to store leftovers though. im no nuke fearmonger but im concerned with very long term world health - meaning thousands of years
[18:24:28] <tiwake> because its competitive thus its evil
[18:24:32] <pfred1> not when the waste disposal is so long term
[18:24:32] <Jymmm> Big Utilities, Big pharmacutical, etc
[18:25:05] <pfred1> we had a heck of a time coming up with signage that would last 50,000 years
[18:25:13] <tiwake> pfred1: thats so BS, its just politics does not want to make it competitive so they tax the **** out of it
[18:25:16] <XXCoder> tiwake: very unfortunately that usa goverment called major nuclear exposure "minor exposure" and people suffered amd died. that made people think radioactivity is 1000 times worse than it really is.
[18:25:23] <Jymmm> XXCoder: It came fro the ground, I'm sure we could figure something to do with all those abandond deep mines.
[18:25:30] <tiwake> XXCoder: right
[18:25:43] <pfred1> Jymmm nuclear waste did not come from the ground it is something we make
[18:25:55] <XXCoder> jy sure but then is it geocially age stable? as in hundred thousand years. and yes we MAKE fuel.
[18:25:56] <tiwake> pfred1: erm
[18:25:57] <Jymmm> pfred1: From the planet goofy?
[18:26:03] <pfred1> the crap we dig up out of the ground is nothing like it
[18:26:21] <tiwake> pfred1: something with a halflife will always have a halflife...
[18:26:24] <XXCoder> in least in case of breeder reactor
[18:26:31] <Jymmm> Now, gold is not an element that is native to earth
[18:26:44] <tiwake> Jymmm: what makes you say that?
[18:26:45] <pfred1> tiwake yeah but some substances emit more high energy particles than others do
[18:26:57] <tiwake> pfred1: tell that to the sun
[18:27:22] <XXCoder> generally, everything was made by old suns that went nova
[18:27:22] <pfred1> there's nothing particularly radioactive about our Sun
[18:27:24] <tiwake> I need more to drink
[18:27:30] <pfred1> it is a fusion reactor
[18:27:37] <XXCoder> heavier elements
[18:27:50] <pfred1> our sun is too small to make heavy elements
[18:27:53] <pfred1> it will never
[18:28:01] <XXCoder> pfred1: never said it was our sun :P
[18:28:03] <Jymmm> tiwake: 2nd paragraph https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold
[18:28:08] <XXCoder> our sun is middle aged lol
[18:28:28] <tiwake> Jymmm: I've been drinking, link it directly
[18:28:28] <XXCoder> and its too small to really go supernova
[18:28:36] <pfred1> yes the heavy elements on our planet came from supermova of other giant stars
[18:29:00] <pfred1> our sun will collapse into a brown dwarf someday
[18:29:09] <pfred1> that's it
[18:29:20] <pfred1> it will never explode
[18:29:26] <XXCoder> if we convert our sun to small white dwarf it will last trillion years
[18:29:30] <pfred1> it is too small
[18:29:32] <tiwake> that so dumb to even talk about... cause so long from now
[18:29:35] <XXCoder> now that is very long term thinking
[18:29:39] <pfred1> it is a yellow dwarf now
[18:29:48] <XXCoder> actually red dwarf sorry
[18:30:10] <pfred1> our sun is one of the longer lived stars
[18:30:29] <XXCoder> yeah 10 billion years to 20 billion
[18:30:31] <pfred1> it will do what it is doing now for bilions more years
[18:30:41] <XXCoder> small red dwarf can last trillions of years
[18:31:14] <pfred1> this planet isn't many billions of years old
[18:31:17] <tiwake> http://www.thepeoplescube.com/images/Free_Pluto_400.gif
[18:31:33] <pfred1> 4.56 I believe?
[18:31:36] <tiwake> relevant
[18:31:46] <XXCoder> http://images.slideplayer.com/1/230716/slides/slide_53.jpg
[18:32:00] <pfred1> I wish we'd launch the Webb scope already
[18:32:01] <XXCoder> pfred1: approx according to rock age
[18:32:08] <pfred1> I'm dying to see images it makes
[18:32:27] <pfred1> it is going to make the Hubble looks like a cracker jack prize
[18:32:39] <tiwake> Jymmm: oh, thought you said graph... missed the para
[18:33:06] <pfred1> with the Webb scope we shoudl actually get images of extrasolar planets
[18:33:49] <tiwake> I think we lost the context of building CNC machines... somehow
[18:33:52] <pfred1> and you say the USA isn't leading still?
[18:34:03] <pfred1> oh they used CNC to make the Webb
[18:34:08] <tiwake> XD
[18:34:10] <XXCoder> tiwake: sometimes thats how fun conversions go
[18:34:13] <nubcake> n8 everyone
[18:34:23] <tiwake> it is IRC
[18:34:27] <tiwake> so it goes
[18:35:41] <XXCoder> anyway the chart bottom right
[18:35:47] <pfred1> I'm looking for a video that shows how they made the mirrors
[18:35:51] <XXCoder> thats nigh-immortal stars
[18:36:06] <tiwake> pfred1: for the webb sat.?
[18:37:06] <pfred1> james webb telescope
[18:37:23] <pfred1> the most incredible instrument ever made by Man
[18:37:27] <tiwake> yeah
[18:37:47] <pfred1> it took them 20 years to build it
[18:37:59] <pfred1> I thought I was slow making my NC machine
[18:38:05] <pfred1> CNC machine
[18:38:17] <tiwake> well
[18:38:24] <tiwake> thats leading edge stuff
[18:38:38] <pfred1> they got a bigger budget to work with than i do though
[18:38:41] <tiwake> the stuff we do today has been well defined for quite a long time
[18:39:31] <pfred1> why aren't there any videos of how they actually made the mirrors?
[18:39:40] <pfred1> is it a state secret?
[18:39:44] <XXCoder> pf in least you wasnt one who did this http://images.spaceref.com/news/2003/9.6.2003_01.lrg.jpg
[18:40:20] <pfred1> XXCoder that'll buff out
[18:40:49] <XXCoder> wih one billion ollar buff sure
[18:41:42] <tiwake> like isaac newton
[18:42:12] <tiwake> if it does not exist, invent it, then invent ways to check the invention
[18:42:23] <tiwake> and many others
[18:42:27] <XXCoder> I can't imange the expense of pulling it apart and re-testing all parts
[18:43:07] <tiwake> if things are well documented, it won't be _that_ big of a deal
[18:44:46] <XXCoder> it will still cost millions
[18:46:01] <pfred1> you just need Carl Sagan in the finance department
[18:46:06] <pfred1> billions and billions!
[18:46:53] <pfred1> this is the funniest video of all time https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZmafy_v8g8
[18:52:09] <tiwake> dododo
[20:27:04] * tiwake pokes BeachBumPete
[20:27:42] <tiwake> BeachBumPete: you know how I did some anodizing and stuff?
[20:38:28] <zeeshan|2> wastedf last 3 hours
[20:38:31] <zeeshan|2> looking for nakamura manuals
[20:38:34] <zeeshan|2> still no go
[20:38:35] <zeeshan|2> =[
[20:44:21] <Tom_L> zeeshan|2 i thought you found some
[20:44:34] <zeeshan|2> no
[20:44:58] <XXCoder> zeeshan|2: no machines close to yours?
[20:45:04] <XXCoder> ie similiar
[20:45:10] <zeeshan|2> nop
[20:46:45] <Tom_L> you started mapping the hydraulics yet?
[20:51:27] <zeeshan|2> no
[20:51:30] <zeeshan|2> i will tommo
[20:51:33] <zeeshan|2> basic diagram
[20:59:16] <XXCoder> zee that sucks. not even from same company?
[20:59:35] <XXCoder> companies tend to follow own style
[21:05:15] <Tom_L> did your local guy have any leads on them?
[21:05:23] <Tom_L> or did he just want too much for em
[21:06:05] <zeeshan|2> no
[21:06:13] <zeeshan|2> i have one option only so far
[21:06:17] <zeeshan|2> spend 1200$ on manuals
[21:06:19] <zeeshan|2> which im not ready to do
[21:06:26] <zeeshan|2> i rather buy a vfd for that.
[21:06:29] <XXCoder> no digital copy of it
[21:06:32] <zeeshan|2> nope
[21:06:48] <XXCoder> no copies you can scan off?
[21:06:52] <zeeshan|2> no
[21:08:08] <XXCoder> buy em, scan all quick, return it? lol
[21:08:16] <zeeshan|2> no returns allowed
[21:08:17] <zeeshan|2> lol
[21:08:20] <zeeshan|2> i was thinking of that!
[21:08:20] <XXCoder> my book scanner'd be useful for you lol
[21:09:50] <Tom_L> why did you buy such a hard one to get info on?
[21:10:00] <zeeshan|2> ;/
[21:10:08] <zeeshan|2> what did you guys eat tonight
[21:10:11] <zeeshan|2> i need something new to make tonight
[21:10:15] <Tom_L> pizza
[21:10:16] <zeeshan|2> im cooking up some corn bread
[21:10:18] <zeeshan|2> oh cmon
[21:10:21] <zeeshan|2> !!
[21:10:21] <Tom_L> heh
[21:10:22] <XXCoder> bbq flavored burrito
[21:10:25] <XXCoder> boring
[21:10:37] <zeeshan|2> i'd like to try making some southern dishes
[21:10:37] <XXCoder> boring burruito quick
[21:14:09] <Tom_L> you got no replies on cnc zone?
[21:14:16] <zeeshan|2> no
[21:15:08] <gregcnc> So I guess Fusion 360 just released continuous (wrapped) 4th axis
[21:15:14] <Tom_L> cncdiag answered a pretty specific question on one, maybe you could contact him
[21:15:29] <Tom_L> he seemed to have access to some specific information on them
[21:15:53] <Tom_L> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/fanuc/80763-fanuc-6t-nakamura-tome-tmc-3-a.html
[21:16:22] <zeeshan|2> 2009!
[21:17:05] <Tom_L> ole pharts never die, they just get older
[21:17:07] <gregcnc> I have manuals and I can't get my machine run code
[21:17:12] <Tom_L> it's worth a shot
[21:18:47] <gregcnc> capthindsight, https://milwaukee.craigslist.org/tls/5873445297.html