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[01:27:20] <archivist> rue_shop3, you use under size rod for with rolling, but full when cutting to cut the tips properly
[01:28:41] <archivist> adjust die to wide open for fist cut and add a taper on the end to make it easier to start, a few thou under size rod it ok
[04:13:01] <miss0r> this mouse is killing me! this is the 3rd time I set out traps to get it. TWICE I have smacked my own fingers with the traps. One was triggered, but apparently didn't get the mouse, the other didn't go off at all. I even tried using peanut butter, as archivist recommended. f*ck!
[04:13:14] <archivist> rofl
[04:13:34] <archivist> was not me mentioning peanut butter
[04:13:48] <miss0r> also, I worked over the triggering mechanism to have a smaller slope.. and I polished and greased the contact surfaces so the trigger effect is hair fine
[04:13:53] <miss0r> my mistake :)
[04:14:00] <archivist> I hse chocolate, bread and biscuits
[04:14:04] <archivist> use
[04:14:15] <miss0r> i'll probally start using a pumpgun soon
[04:14:37] <archivist> usually more than one mouse
[04:14:59] <miss0r> I'll keep feeding it, till it gets bigger and smarter, till the point it just walks into the house, and takes what it needs from the fridge, effectively cutting me out as the middleman
[04:15:10] <miss0r> its the 4.
[04:15:28] <miss0r> getting more peanutbutter, brb
[04:15:54] <archivist> I was using some mouse/rat poison at one time, the buggers opened the packet to help themselves :)
[04:18:01] <miss0r> haha. thats what the critters get for being smart
[04:20:27] <archivist> I have stopped up most/all the holes, removed climbing crap from outside the house (up to the air brick)
[04:21:04] <archivist> now seems to have stopped them getting in, but seen one running about in the garden
[04:23:34] <miss0r> I have figured out where they get in. They have gnawed off some of the woodwork under the roof on the outside. I need to patch up that hole. Luckily theres no real way for them to get from the attic into the shop. But it also sucks to have to unscrew and remove a plate to set/reset the traps
[04:24:50] <miss0r> last mouse I got in one of the traps must've bleed out. It was sorta snacked across the face, and there were blood everywhere. So what they don't mess up in life, they will do you in death
[04:26:04] <miss0r> Hmm. I seem to remember having some PU foam laying around. I can't find it thou. I think I'll close off some holes with that, temporarily that is.
[04:26:33] <archivist> no blood with these so far
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/4-x-STV-Big-Cheese-Quick-Click-Mouse-Trap-Ready-To-Use-Baited-2x-Twin-Pack-/261977047999
[04:26:46] <miss0r> or as with alot of things around here, it will be a permanent temporary solution
[04:26:53] <archivist> tube of silicon
[04:27:14] <miss0r> yeah, its just too cold out for the silicon to harden at the moment
[04:28:09] <miss0r> I've used a type that looks alot like these:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/6-X-Little-Nipper-Snap-Traps-Mice-Mouse-Rodent-Killer-Professional-Trap/231855827024?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D38661%26meid%3D88458cba9ba04a60a9ad89c1e3e177e0%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D6%26mehot%3Dag%26sd%3D261977047999
[04:28:32] <miss0r> only, the bait dish on mine are a small peice of steel sheet, with a small divet in the middle
[04:29:16] <archivist> they are messy, if they work right it is through it brain
[04:29:35] <miss0r> Next solution will involve 900 volts charged over two 2000uf caps, just sitting there waiting for the little critters to close the curcuit
[04:30:05] <archivist> the big cheese one gets them on the chest, stops breathing
[04:30:49] <miss0r> the ones I have a designed to snap the neck. it has done so with 2 out'a 3 so far. The last one just got hit in the face and bleedout - still attached to the trap, mind you
[04:31:04] <archivist> press the rear tab mouse drops into big, trap is set ready to put down
[04:32:01] <miss0r> alright. That is pretty smart. Problem with the ones I have is its cold up there, so they freeze in the shape they are killed, so you sometimes have to try out the mouse, as it can be somewhat bend around the steel part
[04:32:15] <miss0r> try=pry
[04:33:39] <miss0r> soon I will see no other solution than to burn the shop down to the ground, and rebuild a better, larger and mouseproof building
[04:33:47] <miss0r> I see no problem with that solution :)
[04:34:19] <miss0r> Now i'll go back to designing my new small surface grinder.
[04:40:56] <archivist> I am fitting a window here to reduce condensation
[04:43:58] <miss0r> That stuff needs to be done as well :)
[04:48:53] <miss0r> If only i had a bigger shop. I have a pretty big Jacobsen SJ-16 surface grinder stored at my dads garage. that and some other equipment I can't fit in here. With it standing there, I hardly ever use it. If I remember correctly it can do something like 600 or 800mm long workpeice. I just want something that can do 75-100x150-200mm... If only I could find someone to trade it with
[05:01:46] <miss0r> i'm off. see you around
[05:50:15] <Deejay> moin
[06:05:08] <jthornton> morning
[06:05:38] <XXCoder> yo
[06:06:42] <Tom_L> hey
[06:06:56] <Tom_L> i believe we have a quarum now...
[06:07:32] <jthornton> yea, lets vote on it before anyone else wakes up
[06:08:31] <malcom2073_> Too late
[06:08:36] <_methods> voting is bad
[06:08:37] <XXCoder> I vote give XXCoder op
[06:08:46] <_methods> i rest my case
[06:10:05] <Tom_L> who tripped over the trash can and woke those 2 up?
[06:10:45] <_methods> i have a vote keyword alarm linked to the channel
[06:11:06] <XXCoder> ANTIVOTER!!!
[06:11:49] <_methods> voting causes autism
[06:12:18] <jthornton> got my new extruder gear in yesterday
[06:12:34] <_methods> you didn't make your own?
[06:12:49] <jthornton> for $6 no
[06:12:54] <XXCoder> anti-linuxcnc!!
[06:12:55] <_methods> hehe
[06:13:57] <_methods> damn crazy semi truck hit a car full of kids and killed 4 of them here this morning
[06:14:35] <jthornton> damn
[06:14:39] <_methods> yeah
[06:14:50] <XXCoder> what the heck happened?
[06:14:51] <_methods> guess 1 adult and 1 kid are in icu
[06:14:55] <XXCoder> not enough uppers?
[06:15:00] <_methods> no idea
[06:15:09] <_methods> just saw still pics of the semis
[06:15:11] <_methods> or semi
[06:17:03] <jthornton> I watch them close when I'm turning off the highway to the road to my house, more than once I've had to get on the shoulder to keep from getting run over
[06:17:37] <_methods> guess it happened in i-95
[06:18:23] <_methods> gotta be careful around those rigs
[06:18:49] <sync> seems to happen quite often _methods
[06:19:39] <_methods> yeah unfortunately
[06:19:46] <sync> I still don't get why the dot does not enforce proper rear crash structures and siderails for trailers
[06:19:47] <_methods> be nice once there are no more people driving
[07:15:40] <XXCoder> a great white man eating shark.
http://www.lab-initio.com/250dpi/nz111.jpg
[08:09:22] <CaptHindsight> own a piece of history
http://milwaukee.craigslist.org/tls/5810070085.html South Bend 15" Lathe 1923? model
[08:09:50] <archivist> earlier than mine
[08:10:47] <CaptHindsight> http://milwaukee.craigslist.org/tls/5860175178.html a Logan for $750 from the same era
[08:11:30] <archivist> I think mine is WW2 period
[08:12:03] <CaptHindsight> http://www.lathe.com/ser-no.htm Logan started then, I thought it was earlier
[08:13:20] <gonzo_> I have a southbend heavy 13. I thought it was ww2 vintage, but the Sn's suggest early 70's
[08:13:25] <XXCoder> mine is pre-caveman era
[08:14:04] <CaptHindsight> XXCoder: all granite? :)
[08:14:10] <gonzo_> my surface block is certyainly pre-historic
[08:14:16] <gonzo_> well the material is!
[08:14:33] <XXCoder> nah pre-caveman. no tech. saying I dont own any lathe lol
[08:15:29] <gonzo_> who knows what they had. There is so little evidence left
[08:15:46] <gregcnc> mach3?
[08:15:49] <XXCoder> lathe is pretty simple really
[08:15:54] <CaptHindsight> http://chicago.craigslist.org/sox/tls/5856022730.html Clausing turret lathe - $1500
[08:15:56] <XXCoder> gregcnc: no. not that new. mach1
[08:15:58] <archivist> gonzo_, like
http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=southbend+PD ?
[08:16:22] <gregcnc> did you get an answer?
[08:16:36] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: replies to texts
[08:16:57] <gregcnc> you don't text?
[08:17:20] <gregcnc> you can text from a gmail account
[08:17:20] <CaptHindsight> available anytime
[08:18:51] <gregcnc> some people just don't get that you have to reply to people inquiring about your listings
[08:19:17] <CaptHindsight> http://chicago.craigslist.org/wcl/for/5855943039.html Atlas 12 inch lathe - $950
[08:21:17] <CaptHindsight> lots of manual lathes on CL this week
[08:21:29] <gonzo_> archivist, similar
[08:21:56] <gonzo_> this is more representative
http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/south-bend-lathes/south-bend-picture-gallery-153748/
[08:22:00] <gonzo_> #18
[08:22:40] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: most seem concerned that you might be trying to lure them into your torture chamber or similar
[08:23:22] <gregcnc> yeah, my wife uses a fake name on CL.... then somebody from down the street shows up
[08:23:32] <CaptHindsight> heh
[08:24:18] <gregcnc> i sold a set of tires once and went to the garage. I heard the guy start his car and drive around the block
[08:25:38] <CaptHindsight> did he come back?
[08:26:36] <gregcnc> he was on the other side of the fence basically my neighbor
[08:28:07] <gregcnc> I also got a guy once say "Ill pay full price if you bring it to detroit area" for a 250 lathe
[08:28:07] <CaptHindsight> I had people not want to give me their address, just an intersection and then want to guide me in from the corner to their garage
[08:28:26] <CaptHindsight> lol
[08:28:43] <gregcnc> happened to be where I visit a friend, but wasn't going that time of the year
[08:29:12] <_methods> oh that atlas has the quick change gearbox too
[08:30:02] <CaptHindsight> _methods: the 12"?
[08:30:11] <_methods> yeah
[08:30:21] <_methods> that's probably not a terrible price for it
[08:30:46] <CaptHindsight> considering that one
[08:30:57] <gregcnc> I don't see the gear box
[08:30:58] <_methods> it's got the box ways though
[08:31:30] <XXCoder> CaptHindsight: whats funny is that can gps track anyway :P
[08:32:01] <_methods> oh is that lever the feed direction lever on that model?
[08:32:12] <_methods> i thought that was the quick change gear box lever
[08:32:29] <CaptHindsight> https://images.craigslist.org/01515_eTrWb3bZvp4_1200x900.jpg
[08:32:32] <gregcnc> there is an extra lever there, I think, but no quick change
[08:34:05] <_methods> not sure
[08:34:12] <gregcnc> www.ebay.com/itm/201713415850 I guess the lever isn't extra
[08:34:45] <CaptHindsight> http://madison.craigslist.org/tls/5801437844.html Cincinnati Metalworking Lathe - $1200 beastly
[08:34:46] <gregcnc> oh tha'ts back gear. I had an older one with the older covers, no quick change
[08:35:00] <_methods> ahhh
[08:35:11] <_methods> nm then
[08:35:32] <_methods> i wouldn't give more than $500 for it then
[08:36:09] <gregcnc> it made decent parts, but getting one that isn't worn or with worn lead screw is hard
[08:37:09] <_methods> i have one it's not a bad little lathe
[08:37:18] <_methods> better than that chinese junk you can get now
[08:37:24] <_methods> but nothing to write home about
[08:37:35] <CaptHindsight> http://madison.craigslist.org/bfs/5828226640.html more pics of the tooling than the lathe
[08:37:37] <_methods> perfect for tinkering around in the garage with
[08:38:00] <_methods> but it's a real PITA changing the gears all the time
[08:38:23] <gregcnc> https://chicago.craigslist.org/sox/tls/5838140058.html
[08:38:47] <_methods> that lathe would be better for sure
[08:39:02] <CaptHindsight> "really expensive new"
[08:39:37] <CaptHindsight> the sell Logan parts not far from me
[08:39:50] <gregcnc> yeah still in hardvard
[08:40:11] <gonzo_> looking at the prices, I got a bargain with my SB
[08:40:18] <gonzo_> £150
[08:40:30] <_methods> yeah 150 is a deal
[08:40:37] <gonzo_> though it was recovered from a garden. a bit rusted up
[08:41:11] <gonzo_> the old lad who found it for me said that it was good netal and would clean up. Which it did
[08:41:16] <gregcnc> https://rockford.craigslist.org/tls/5864716907.html this might actually have some collector value
[08:41:18] <gonzo_> metal
[08:41:46] <_methods> yeah that dalton would be a fun restoration project
[08:41:56] <gonzo_> the olny thing rusted up beyond repair was the compound slide dial
[08:41:58] <gregcnc> though i'm not sure which dalton are worth something
[08:42:12] <archivist> gonzo_, not far from the price I paid :) £125
[08:42:40] <archivist> very worn bed though
[08:44:21] <archivist> mine needed a new nut for the leadscrew
[08:45:03] <gregcnc> out of my price range www.ebay.com/itm/262690758851
[08:45:47] <archivist> by a couple of orders of magnitude
[08:46:36] <CaptHindsight> http://centralmich.craigslist.org/tls/5826290041.html I used to see these all the time Warner swasey turret lathe - $800
[08:47:09] <_methods> yeah those things are all over the place
[08:47:13] <_methods> weigh a ton
[08:47:20] <CaptHindsight> probably got it for scrap price and painted it
[08:47:22] <_methods> several tons lol
[08:47:44] <CaptHindsight> I've had offers to just take it out for free
[08:47:44] <gregcnc> they made the world go 'round 50+ years ago
[08:47:46] <cradek> what's the thing on the back of the slide?
[08:47:54] <_methods> the turret?
[08:48:04] <cradek> no the bar on the back
[08:48:07] <_methods> or the turret stops
[08:48:12] <cradek> no, on the back
[08:48:13] <CaptHindsight> https://images.craigslist.org/00S0S_1tpEcWOgq7M_1200x900.jpg
[08:48:15] <_methods> yeah those are the turret indexers
[08:48:55] <gregcnc> the rods hanging out the middle of the slide ar the stops for each station
[08:48:56] <cradek> not the six things on the end of the slide, the sliding bar on the back that goes through a bushing
[08:49:05] <gregcnc> I think that is the return stop
[08:49:35] <gregcnc> so operator isn't wasting time pushing the slide too far back
[08:49:56] <cradek> oh ok, I can kinda see that
[08:50:07] <cradek> maybe the nubbin on the end has a setscrew and is moveable
[08:50:14] <gregcnc> tha'ts my guess
[08:50:29] <archivist> depth stops ?
[08:50:30] <cradek> hmm there could also be one on the front - see it?
[08:50:38] <cradek> archivist: the things on the end are depth stops
[08:51:20] <archivist> has taper turning
[08:51:42] <cradek> ah yep it does
[08:51:58] <archivist> my SB has it
[09:07:45] <gregcnc> https://rockford.craigslist.org/tls/5869871485.html this guy mentions this Rockford mill being Australian made, I didn't know Hercus made mills but Compumill look similar
[09:15:39] <_methods> i wonder if that bar is for the taper attachment
[09:15:51] <_methods> another bar connects to it to attach to the taper
[09:15:56] <_methods> but not sure
[09:16:11] <_methods> i don't see where else the taper attachment would attach to
[09:19:18] <archivist> the lead screw for the cross slide attaches to a slider on the bar
[09:40:55] <IchGucksLive> hi
[09:44:15] <IchGucksLive> till later Finish work for this week ;-)
[09:45:43] <archivist> tumbleweed blows through the channel
[09:47:40] <_methods> one of these days
[09:47:42] <_methods> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PP14X8MXAXA
[09:48:40] <_methods> i'm not sure who's takin out the trash in that video
[09:49:20] <archivist> blocked in UK wtf
[09:49:27] <_methods> wow really
[09:49:52] <_methods> it's just some poor kid takin a beating from a trash can on a windy day
[09:50:14] <archivist> well they say poster has not made it available in....
[09:51:16] <_methods> well.... brexit
[09:51:22] <_methods> lol
[09:51:54] <archivist> you mean trumped
[09:52:10] <_methods> yeah i guess we can't really make fun of you guys for the brexit thing anymore
[09:52:17] <archivist> you have been :)
[09:52:37] <_methods> at least it's friday
[09:52:55] <archivist> I voted the EU off our island anyway
[09:53:19] <_methods> i don't blame you
[09:54:22] <gonzo_> neither side could come up with a convincing argument either way
[09:55:20] <gonzo_> probably true of brexit and the election
[09:55:29] <_methods> zlog
[09:55:47] <_methods> indeed
[09:56:10] <_methods> 48% of the population has spoken lol
[09:56:24] <_methods> the other 52% of us were watching the apprentice
[09:56:42] <gregcnc> something like half didn't bother to vote
[09:56:51] <archivist> at least our version has Alan Sugar
[09:57:07] <CaptHindsight> people in the city are angry, shocked and confused
[09:57:11] <gonzo_> with sillier hau
[09:57:31] <gonzo_> sillyer hair
[09:57:42] <_methods> i think it's funny that they're rioting
[09:57:46] <CaptHindsight> out here in farmland it's just another day and quiet
[09:58:09] <CaptHindsight> not talking about it
[09:58:38] <_methods> i wonder what percentage of the rioters didn't even vote
[09:58:46] <_methods> that would be an interesting poll
[09:59:14] <gonzo_> I'll just say 'more silly' as neither spelling looks convincing
[10:00:14] <_methods> i'm just glad it's all over
[10:00:33] <_methods> they've been blathering about this all over the news for the last 2 damn years
[10:01:45] <gonzo_> not sure how things work in the US, but I expect that the president in reality, only has limited powers. Now the election is over, he has to stop talking crap and get on with the job
[10:02:26] <gonzo_> I assume the real power is in the houses, as it is in the UK?
[10:03:01] <MacGalempsy> morning.
[10:03:02] <CaptHindsight> gonzo_: true, but many states went conservative so they have the majority in house and the senate as well
[10:03:09] <_methods> http://www.ulalaunch.com/webcast.aspx
[10:03:18] <_methods> ula launch today at 1
[10:03:40] <_methods> oops 1:30 et
[10:04:19] <CaptHindsight> Ulla Inga Hansen Benson Yansen Tallen Hallen Svaden Swanson Bloom
[10:05:47] <CaptHindsight> _methods: what is this one supposed to crash land on?
[10:06:19] <_methods> i think this one is supposed to stay in the space
[10:06:44] <MacGalempsy> i cant believe there are 2 sizes of allen wrenches below 0.050
[10:07:07] <_methods> teeny tiny
[10:07:08] <CaptHindsight> MacGalempsy: i had a hard time finding them
[10:07:28] <CaptHindsight> but they used them on some positioners I had
[10:07:35] <MacGalempsy> damn. was hoping to just be able to get them at sears
[10:07:49] <CaptHindsight> I think McMaster sells them
[10:07:53] <MacGalempsy> this is on the encoder disk
[10:08:42] <CaptHindsight> 0.028" and 0.035"
[10:09:09] <CaptHindsight> ~30 cents each
[10:09:35] <MacGalempsy> the encoder is dead, so i considered drilling it out
[10:11:12] <MacGalempsy> but since i need to start looking for a squirrel cage blower for the furnance, ill probably look for them.
[10:11:43] <CaptHindsight> https://www.mcmaster.com/#standard-hex-l-keys/=14zt2i1
[10:11:50] <MacGalempsy> the compressor did a decent job, but hust ran too long
[10:13:13] <CaptHindsight> MacGalempsy: any chance that the fault in the midwest will open and suck it all under before next year?
[10:14:21] <MacGalempsy> it depends on if its a normal or reverse fault
[10:14:46] <CaptHindsight> I think you said it was failed
[10:15:09] <CaptHindsight> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Madrid_Seismic_Zone
[10:15:16] <MacGalempsy> i would say the stresses are less
[10:15:39] <MacGalempsy> we may have been talking oklahoma
[10:16:27] <MacGalempsy> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aulacogen
[10:16:57] <CaptHindsight> whats the story on the recent quakes down there? fracking or just natural causes?
[10:17:22] <SpeedEvil> aliens.
[10:17:42] <MacGalempsy> hopefully it would swallow up Illinois and any other blue state in the area
[10:19:32] <MacGalempsy> i would think the quakes in ok are related to the aulacogen there
[10:19:43] <CaptHindsight> MacGalempsy: did you find an injection mold machine?
[10:23:04] <MacGalempsy> heh. ive decided to start basic
http://www.ebay.com/itm/322122979576
[10:23:32] <CaptHindsight> http://chicago.craigslist.org/nwc/hvo/5856576886.html $4800 100 ton 8oz
[10:23:35] <MacGalempsy> since it will be a fast cheap solution (make my own version)
[10:24:29] <CaptHindsight> are you making it hand op or gear pump
[10:24:54] <MacGalempsy> hand at first. i need to get some samples prepared
[10:25:20] <MacGalempsy> the kiln is coming along to make the base.
[10:25:50] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/injection-molding-machine/142156835482 wow $1200
[10:26:02] <MacGalempsy> i wanted to ask you your opinion on top down vs bottom up sla
[10:26:28] <MacGalempsy> those machines are cool, but too big for my space
[10:26:50] <CaptHindsight> top down puts no stress on the parts but the surface is exposed to oxygen unless you seal it off
[10:27:34] <MacGalempsy> you prefer top down?
[10:27:43] <CaptHindsight> bottom up requires less resin in the vat but unless you slide or rotate the vat to release each layer you put stress on the part
[10:28:24] <MacGalempsy> seems like bottom up is less complicated.
[10:28:42] <MacGalempsy> what do you think about the littleRP?
[10:28:44] <CaptHindsight> it's actually more
[10:29:05] <MacGalempsy> more? how so?
[10:29:35] <CaptHindsight> you have to separate the vat from the part each layer
[10:29:52] <CaptHindsight> with top down you just lower the part
[10:30:56] <CaptHindsight> http://www.craft-usc.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/figure2.png
[10:31:41] <CaptHindsight> http://www.3ders.org/images2016/robot-factory-free-guide-evaluating-sla-3d-printer6.jpg
[10:34:42] <CaptHindsight> in top down you can flood the top of the vat with inert gas if the resins polymerization is inhibited by oxygen
[10:35:23] <CaptHindsight> it's not an issue with bottom up since polymerization takes place under the surface of the resin
[10:38:34] <MacGalempsy> the resin is expensive so it seem that would dictate the preferred method
[10:39:00] <CaptHindsight> ~$40/Kg for the cheap stuff
[10:39:07] <MacGalempsy> which machine style do you prefer?
[10:39:44] <CaptHindsight> depends on the application, 2 different tools
[10:40:15] <CaptHindsight> but most people just want some resin to cure
[10:40:38] <MacGalempsy> what else would people want?
[10:41:14] <CaptHindsight> they care much about the qualities of the resin as long as it is rigid after cure
[10:41:27] <CaptHindsight> sorry, don't care much
[10:42:06] <CaptHindsight> the parts are just for looking at
[10:42:22] <MacGalempsy> i see
[10:42:51] <MacGalempsy> my friend does jewelry and that is why im asking
[10:43:15] <MacGalempsy> ive seen some that use an ipad monitor.
[10:43:40] <CaptHindsight> jewelers usually want to use them to make patters for investment casting
[10:43:46] <MacGalempsy> but the resolution is amazing
[10:43:48] <CaptHindsight> patters/patterns
[10:44:35] <MacGalempsy> yeah. once this encoder gets here, i will probably try doing some wax cutting for her
[10:45:16] <MacGalempsy> but ultimately the sla seems to be a better method.
[10:46:40] <MacGalempsy> do you make a jewelry oriented unit?
[10:46:52] <CaptHindsight> we use a water soluble post cure resin for investment casting
[10:47:50] <MacGalempsy> cool.
[10:50:01] <CaptHindsight> I don't make anything for hobbyists, well they they ever want to pay for
[11:02:41] <CaptHindsight> I have to get SLA gui working for LCNC
[11:06:40] <gregcnc> if there much shrinkage with light cured resin?
[11:07:15] <CaptHindsight> depends on the resin, from 0 to a few %
[11:07:24] <CaptHindsight> some may be made to expand
[11:10:21] <CaptHindsight> the higher molecular weight and composite resins shrink less
[11:10:42] <CaptHindsight> but they are difficult to use for bottom up since they are higher viscosity
[11:11:07] <CaptHindsight> you can use a paste with top down
[11:11:09] <gregcnc> just curious. I like the idea of the water soluble resin for investments, how long does it take to wash out?
[11:11:51] <CaptHindsight> the hotter the water the faster the rinse, it's like a sugar cube in hot water
[11:12:03] <CaptHindsight> you print hollow walls
[11:12:08] <gregcnc> just pour it down the drain when done?
[11:12:14] <CaptHindsight> yeah
[11:12:23] <gregcnc> duh, need not be solid
[11:12:28] <CaptHindsight> like organic solvents
[11:12:50] <CaptHindsight> dilute and dump
[11:13:33] <CaptHindsight> 1/16" walls in a few minutes
[11:14:30] <gregcnc> were you building a dlp printer this summer?
[11:21:48] <CaptHindsight> I have a few across the room from me
[11:22:54] <gregcnc> so close but so far
[11:25:40] <gregcnc> I found an instructable even. I'll have to look at projector resolutions to see if it would work for what I want to do.
[11:43:22] <CaptHindsight> http://babylonbee.com/news/trump-vows-get-justice-scalia-back-supreme-court/
[11:43:53] <CaptHindsight> sorry wrong channel
[11:48:40] <Nick-Shop> That OK- Good news is alway welcome
[11:51:53] <cradek> heh not sure if the article or Nick-Shop's response is funnier
[11:52:03] <cradek> it's a synergy
[12:04:27] <pink_vampire> I have an issue with the probing with linux cnc, why on jogging of the part the machine stop
[12:05:10] <pink_vampire> and i'm getting the error "probe tripped during a jog"
[12:05:21] <archivist> noise
[12:05:26] <pink_vampire> no..
[12:06:09] <pink_vampire> because the probe is un tripped
[12:06:51] <pink_vampire> if i'm touching the part with the prom linux cnc don't care and i can crush the probe no problem at all.
[12:07:20] <pink_vampire> only if i back off the part i'm getting the error.
[12:07:48] <pink_vampire> it's look like there is a bug in the probbing error,
[12:07:58] <archivist> have you got the pin inverted, incorrect sense
[12:08:44] <pink_vampire> it's a normally close probe,
[12:09:25] <archivist> the setting in the hal for that pin......
[12:09:35] <archivist> keeeeebus
[12:09:39] <pink_vampire> hoo i see
[12:13:16] <pink_vampire> also on the "mdi" tab the jogging with the keyboard arrows not working, i have to click on the other tab, then jog, then click on the "mdi" again..
[12:15:09] <JT-Shop> you can't jog in MDI mode
[12:15:33] <JT-Shop> you must change to manual mode with F3 or click the mouse
[12:16:54] <pink_vampire> i dont have F key on my keyboard and the integrated mouse is not the most comfortable thing in the world
[12:17:25] <pink_vampire> is there a way to re map the F3 to other key?
[12:18:06] <pink_vampire> i have 9 multimedia keys
[12:18:15] <pink_vampire> maybe i can use them?
[12:18:36] <cradek> you could do that with xmodmap
[12:18:54] <cradek> or you could get a better keyboard
[12:23:31] <pink_vampire> it's a very good one
[12:23:44] <pink_vampire> just without F keys
[12:24:08] <pink_vampire> on mach3 it took me 10 secs to select the hot keys.
[12:24:20] <pink_vampire> i'm sure there is a way to do it here.
[12:24:44] <cradek> I already told you, use xmodmap
[12:24:47] <archivist> docs I used years ago
http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.distributions.emc.user/12642
[12:25:39] <cradek> well that's another way, doing it in AXIS only
[12:25:57] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/RXNRYtX.png
[12:25:58] <cradek> but if you want to use multimedia keys they might be stolen by multimedia stuff in your window manager
[12:26:58] <cradek> heh we have different feelings about "very good"
[12:28:02] <IchGucksLive> hi
[12:28:52] <pink_vampire> it a brand name product, very strong and durable, it hit the floor several time with only cosmetics marks, so at the end i think it's a very good product,
[12:30:01] <pink_vampire> the shape is very agronomic so you cam operate it with one hand
[12:30:39] <pink_vampire> for about 40$ or less i don't think you can get better
[13:25:03] <wasutton3> does anyone have any reccomendations for software to go from an image to a relief? I've got a black and white image (no greyscale) where I'd like the white to be unmilled, and the black to be milled to a certain depth
[13:25:19] <wasutton3> i've been using f-engrave to get the job done for a while, but i've only got it doing outline work
[13:25:33] <IchGucksLive> what doies the image show
[13:26:17] <wasutton3> just some dots and lines
[13:26:24] <IchGucksLive> reliefs like grayscale
[13:26:25] <wasutton3> no ACTUAL real hard features
[13:26:30] <wasutton3> gotcha
[13:26:40] <IchGucksLive> so depends on image
[13:26:59] <IchGucksLive> use inkscape to get a svg
[13:27:22] <IchGucksLive> then use a cam to get the hight you want on the lines you select
[13:27:22] <Demure_> First test today on the mill, circle within a square. No bueno.
http://i.imgur.com/88tRlzI.jpg Circle on top was clearly going wrong so I stopped it (Helix ramping might've made the errors existing worse though), lowered acceleration from 1000 down to 600 and continued, but the square still has a lot of faults.
[13:28:14] <IchGucksLive> wasutton3: can you show the image if not secret
[13:28:50] <IchGucksLive> Demure_: do you realy need that amout of acceleration
[13:28:51] <wasutton3> http://imgur.com/a/Ia6lT
[13:29:07] <Demure_> IchGucksLive: Not really, just me not knowing what is a normal amount
[13:29:20] <IchGucksLive> inkscape to svg or dxf then cam of choice to part
[13:29:33] <Demure_> Do you think the issues might be caused by the high acceleration?
[13:29:34] <IchGucksLive> Demure_: scale is
[13:30:39] <Demure_> What do you mean by scale?
[13:31:25] <IchGucksLive> the scale of x y z axis so how many steps per unit
[13:31:30] <IchGucksLive> mm or inch
[13:31:39] <IchGucksLive> to get a good calculation
[13:31:40] <Demure_> The scale of all axis are 800 steps per mm
[13:32:03] <IchGucksLive> quite heavy
[13:32:09] <Demure_> Belt driven 2.5 times from the stepper to the ballscrew
[13:32:17] <Jymmm> IchGucksLive: furlongs ;)
[13:32:19] <Demure_> Stepper has microsteps at 4
[13:33:02] <IchGucksLive> so i woudt go 40 velocity and 120 acceleration
[13:33:47] <IchGucksLive> Demure_: if you use a 20/25 pulley you are up at 400meets 5mm at 100stps per mm so its 0.01 at full force and max speed
[13:34:17] <IchGucksLive> Demure_:
http://foengarage.de/gears2.html
[13:35:11] <Demure_> IchGucksLive: It's a 16/40 pulley configuration
[13:35:34] <IchGucksLive> you need I=1.25
[13:35:47] <IchGucksLive> to meet the 4/5 system
[13:35:57] <IchGucksLive> means steper verses Ballscrew
[13:36:03] <Demure_> I'm afraid I don't fully understand
[13:36:54] <IchGucksLive> wasutton3: you are kitting OR
[13:37:01] <IchGucksLive> 2dots and 2 bars
[13:37:48] <IchGucksLive> in tha nanimatiion on the side y0u see if Steper turns full U ballscrew only turns 3/4
[13:38:01] <IchGucksLive> so 400steps are 4mm
[13:38:21] <IchGucksLive> Gottcha 100steps per mm
[13:38:37] <IchGucksLive> that means the stepper is halfstep
[13:38:55] <IchGucksLive> driver gots max speed best precision
[13:39:06] <IchGucksLive> and max tourqe
[13:39:46] <Demure_> But I have a different configuration, so why is the 20/25 important? Or are you saying it as an example?
[13:39:53] <IchGucksLive> wasutton3: Any CAD/CAM can do this
[13:40:06] <IchGucksLive> its 1,25
[13:40:56] <IchGucksLive> whatever you are using 16/20
[13:41:02] <IchGucksLive> is also 1.25
[13:41:11] <Demure_> No no, it's 16/40
[13:41:12] <IchGucksLive> but 16 is a small plley
[13:41:14] <Demure_> It's 2.5
[13:41:32] <IchGucksLive> therfor you got 800steps permm
[13:41:44] <IchGucksLive> otherwise you get 100/mm
[13:42:24] <Demure_> So you're saying the microstepping at 4 is too high?
[13:43:39] <IchGucksLive> it looses performence
[13:43:58] <Demure_> I see, thanks
[13:44:20] <IchGucksLive> and the stepper itself has 200steps/rev
[13:44:33] <Demure_> So I'd be fine at full steps
[13:44:45] <IchGucksLive> so on a high mill force it can stall and loose steps without nowing
[13:44:59] <IchGucksLive> no halfstepping always
[13:45:08] <IchGucksLive> for a smooth steper move
[13:45:14] <Demure_> Ah okay, good to know
[13:45:40] <IchGucksLive> i always calculat mashines on best precision in Europ this is 0.01mm
[13:46:12] <IchGucksLive> and on ballscrew 1605 or 2005 the pitch is 5
[13:46:28] <IchGucksLive> so you need to put 400steps to 5mm at 0.01
[13:46:47] <IchGucksLive> 5to 0,01 is 500steps/rev
[13:47:05] <IchGucksLive> the stepepr makes at halfstepping 400
[13:47:16] <IchGucksLive> so you got 400/500
[13:47:23] <IchGucksLive> or 4/5
[13:48:01] <Demure_> I'll give it a try and set it at half
[13:48:02] <IchGucksLive> so thats 5 Divided by 4 makes a 1.25 Gearsystem
[13:48:10] <Demure_> Less than 0.01 if not accurate doesn't matter anyway
[13:48:12] <IchGucksLive> Demure_:
[13:48:29] <IchGucksLive> that is only on a gear 1,25 system
[13:48:34] <IchGucksLive> so 16/20
[13:48:37] <IchGucksLive> 20/25
[13:48:41] <IchGucksLive> ...
[13:49:12] <IchGucksLive> you need to change the pulleys
[13:49:19] <IchGucksLive> use T5
[13:49:34] <IchGucksLive> on Nema23
[13:49:42] <IchGucksLive> best axis fit
[13:49:58] <IchGucksLive> at 6.35 and 8mm shaft
[13:50:38] <IchGucksLive> http://www.maedler.de/product/1643/1616/zahnriemenraeder-t-profil
[13:50:50] <Demure_> Thanks
[13:50:56] <codepython777> I'm in the market for a < $500 cnc that can cut alum. within 8"x8" x 4" - any suggestions?
[13:51:06] <codepython777> router i should say
[13:51:15] <IchGucksLive> under tools there is a java axis distance calculation tool that meets the standard lenth
[13:51:20] <codepython777> I could go upto $750 at most
[13:51:41] <IchGucksLive> codepython777: where are you in the world
[13:52:06] <IchGucksLive> so it is for PCB
[13:54:28] <IchGucksLive> codepython777: this is mine
[13:54:31] <IchGucksLive> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYFYUA9ij6Q
[13:57:26] <codepython777> IchGucksLive: us
[13:57:40] <IchGucksLive> google 3020 cnc router
[13:58:01] <IchGucksLive> so im in Germany that means its late dark and cold im off gn8
[14:00:18] <codepython777> has anyone tried the 3020/40 here?
[14:04:13] <Loetmichel_> codepython777: i have a 6040
[14:04:31] <Loetmichel_> i dont like the "standard" 3020 because it has no ballscrews and SBRs
[14:04:46] <Loetmichel_> and the small DC spindle motor is a joke
[14:06:28] <codepython777> Loetmichel_: is the 6040 any good? what mods did youhave to make?
[14:12:36] <codepython777> Loetmichel_: I need to only cut small parts, but with as good precision as i can get. 6040 looks like a big machine
[14:13:26] <andypugh> codepython777: How much work are you prepared to do yourself?
[14:14:00] <andypugh> Perhaps you could convert something used, like an engraver
[14:19:21] <Loetmichel_> codepython777: it is kind of big
[14:19:34] <Loetmichel_> precision is pretty good, rigidity could be better
[14:19:57] <andypugh> If big is a problem, something like this is not an option?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/DECKEL-LK-JIG-BORER-/222249181103?hash=item33bf155faf:g:KFcAAOSwMgdX2C9N
[14:19:59] <Loetmichel_> steel is possible but only in 0.1mm deep cuts and pretty slow
[14:20:04] <Loetmichel_> i didnt modify it
[14:20:09] <andypugh> (Apart from price, I mean)
[14:20:29] <Loetmichel_> i only replaced the shaft couplers for the steppers so far, all thre broke after a year
[14:21:54] <andypugh> codepython777: Depending on what you want to make, would a Sherline be the right choice?
[14:22:32] <Loetmichel_> codepython777: my machine:
http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=16429&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[14:37:37] <codepython777> I'm looking to build small parts from aluminum - as precise as i could get without exceeding my budget
[14:38:26] <codepython777> andypugh: I'm looking for < $1k machines. PReferably < $500. 5" x 5" x 5" work area is big enough for me
[14:40:19] <Loetmichel_> "5" x 5" x 5" work area is big enough for me" <- lets talk again when you had that machine for a week
[14:40:37] <Loetmichel_> hint: you NEVER have enough table space.
[14:40:58] <Loetmichel_> i had to make some Enclosures lately by "puzzeling" them together...
[14:41:13] <Loetmichel_> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=16414&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[14:41:54] <codepython777> Loetmichel_: My application is to build small rc cars
[14:42:10] <codepython777> Loetmichel_: I really dont need large cut areas. I just need it for small aluminium parts
[14:42:20] <codepython777> Even a pocket nc would work for me, except that it is too expensive
[14:43:13] <Loetmichel_> codepython777: as i said: you will discover that you find uses for the machine that you dont know yet... and a CNC mill is ALWAYS to small for the "next project" ;)
[14:51:42] <gregcnc> oh man, i'm looking at a fusion 360 file for someone. Made some change to a toolpath and it's calculated 20MB of path only 50% done
[14:52:00] <gregcnc> No abort I can find
[14:52:02] <codepython777> Loetmichel_: when i do, I'll buy another one :)
[14:54:35] <DaViruz> that's like 30 floppy disk transfers for my emco :(
[14:55:48] <gregcnc> it finished at 39.3MB. HSMXpress has an abort for toolpath generation, could findn't one in A360
[14:56:17] <codepython777> Loetmichel_: is there a small, but precise cnc/router i can get for sub 1k - and I am new to cncs. I was looking at shapeokos
[14:57:00] <DaViruz> actually it only has 128kB memory, so that's the largest program you can store
[14:57:06] <DaViruz> the darn thing can't be drip fed either
[14:57:10] <Loetmichel_> shapeokos are even less rigid than a 6040
[14:57:47] <Loetmichel_> get an upgraded 3020 with ballscrews, supported rails, and a watercooled HF spindle.
[14:57:48] <gregcnc> Emco told me I can do 100MB as long as you don't exceed N9999, just roll it over
[15:04:30] <FinboySlick> Anyone here ever heard of a 'Billyby' (not sure about the spelling) lathe?
[15:04:37] <codepython777> Loetmichel_:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/4-Axis-3020-Ball-Screws-CNC-Router-Engraving-Engaver-800W-VFD-Cool-Spindle-Motor-/291898363924?hash=item43f67f9014:g:-ewAAOSwr41XHsxF - will it work with alum blocks?
[15:06:07] <codepython777> Loetmichel_: they say only engrave metal? I need to cut shapes out of alum
[15:06:14] <FinboySlick> It would probably be a very old lathe.
[15:06:40] <Loetmichel_> codepython777: no SBR, but that is omittable on such a small machine.
[15:06:45] <Loetmichel_> it will cut aluminium
[15:06:47] <Loetmichel_> even steel
[15:06:53] <Loetmichel_> but you have to have time
[15:07:04] <Loetmichel_> because you only can take pretty light cuts
[15:07:18] <Loetmichel_> or it will bend and get out of tolerance
[15:08:21] <Loetmichel_> codepython777: on my 604 i can push her to the limits like this:
[15:08:47] <Loetmichel_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqXauMOhWos
[15:09:28] <Loetmichel_> ... but that can only be done if you can live with a decrease of accuracy. siad feedrates will result in up to 0.1mm distorsion in the gantry
[15:09:34] <Loetmichel_> by the milling forces
[15:19:04] <codepython777> Loetmichel_: I'm looking to cut blocks of alum, even if slowly
[15:19:18] <codepython777> Loetmichel_: 4" x 4" x 4" alum, slowly cut it into shape
[15:19:52] <Loetmichel_> thats a big block of aluminium
[15:21:12] <pcw_home> Do those little Gantrys have that much Z?
[15:25:16] <gregcnc> codepython777 4" cube is fairly large. how deep do you want to cut from one side?
[15:26:03] <gregcnc> what kind of an RC car part is born from stock that large?
[15:26:13] <lowridah> i could do cuts at about the same speed as the 6040 in that vid on my so3
[15:26:22] <lowridah> but i'll bet the 6040 is a bit more accurate due to rigidity
[15:32:30] <codepython777> I just need something to cut - so that i can hold the motors
[15:32:38] <codepython777> 1" x 5" x 5" will work for me as well
[15:36:18] <Loetmichel_> pcw_home: my 6040 has roughly 90mm in z
[15:36:29] <Loetmichel_> 92 iirc
[15:36:41] <Loetmichel_> but the usual 302 aqnd 604 ones have around 80mm
[15:36:47] <Loetmichel_> and 604
[15:36:49] <Loetmichel_> grrr
[15:36:51] <Loetmichel_> 6040
[15:37:20] <Loetmichel_> so i wouldnt recommend cutting more than about 60mm thick stuff there
[15:41:39] <codepython777> Loetmichel_: so i should not try the 3020?
[15:42:02] <Loetmichel_> if you want 100++mm in z: no
[15:42:32] <Loetmichel_> thats no work for a gantry router
[15:42:40] <Loetmichel_> better to use a "knee mill" there
[15:44:29] <Loetmichel_> like my homemade one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9Ov69t0uwo
[15:49:30] <rene-dev> where can I find 5i22 firmware using the 7i44?
[15:49:50] <rene-dev> the mesa support package has almost no bitfiles... never used a 5i22
[15:52:17] <pink_vampire> Loetmichel_: I was looking for you
[15:53:57] <Loetmichel_> pink_vampire: what can i do for you?
[15:54:47] <pink_vampire> I want your advice about rf noise reduction
[15:57:08] <codepython777> Loetmichel_: so even shapeoko is not really good for my application? Cutting blocks of alum?
[15:57:35] <Loetmichel_> shapeoko is meant to do light sheet plastic and wood "work"
[15:57:36] <pink_vampire> my servos (dc motors) and the encoders cables go in the same wire duct, and i want to reduce the amount of noise that the motor transmit out
[15:57:54] <Loetmichel_> it isnt meant to mill aluminium, and iot has next to none Z movement
[15:58:14] <pink_vampire> I did a test with aluminum foil that ground on one end but no change
[15:58:59] <pcw_home> rene-dev: what bitfile do you need?
[15:59:24] <rene-dev> pcw_home 5i22 and 7i44, 8x smartserial
[15:59:35] <pcw_home> thats it?
[15:59:46] <rene-dev> yes, cant find it anywhere...
[15:59:52] <andypugh> Doesn’t that leave two spare connectors on the 5i22?
[15:59:59] <pcw_home> I can probably do 16/24/32 ss
[16:00:13] <rene-dev> 3 spare ones, they will do IO
[16:00:16] <Loetmichel_> pink_vampire: first: ground on both ends. second: Use heavvy copper braid rather than aluminium foil. and connect it to gnd on both ends via clamps that get all around the cable. not only one side
[16:00:28] <codepython777> Loetmichel_: pocket nc shows some demos for alum, am not sure how good it is
[16:00:36] <rene-dev> 16 will do...
[16:00:39] <pcw_home> what 5I22 version?
[16:00:56] <Loetmichel_> third: ise a bunch of folding ferrites on the cable
[16:01:02] <pcw_home> (there are different FPGA sizes)
[16:01:14] <rene-dev> xc3s1000
[16:01:34] <pcw_home> OK I'll cobble one together
[16:02:38] <rene-dev> thanks :) I would have thought that there is one available
[16:03:15] <andypugh> I think the 5i22 has been rather left behind by cheaper cards.
[16:03:37] <rene-dev> ah, Im retrofitting a retrofit :D
[16:03:42] <pcw_home> Yeah and he 5I22 was never commonly used for LinuxCNC
[16:03:56] <andypugh> So not much of the fancy new stuff has been made for it.
[16:05:04] <rene-dev> pink_vampire my pnp uses single ended encoders with dc servos no problem... they fitted filters in the motor cable
[16:05:31] <andypugh> For example, the 5i24 only has 72 pins rather than the 96 of the 5i22, but you can afford three of those for the same price.
[16:06:50] <rene-dev> andypugh I know, but Im retrofitting a robot which has previously been retrofitted. Im just changing the drives from granite device to stmbls
[16:06:57] <andypugh> (and, as is typical with Mesa pricing, 5 cost the same as 5)
[16:07:19] <rene-dev> pcw_home also, a few PWMs dont hurt on the other connectors...
[16:07:56] <andypugh> I was going to just say that, why not go for SVSS12_16 or something?
[16:08:51] <rene-dev> yes, I found something like that in the 5i22 supporrt package
[16:09:04] <rene-dev> but the .pin file does not mention smartserial...
[16:09:10] <pcw_home> the SV configs typically have quadrature encoders
[16:09:12] <andypugh> SVST probably
[16:10:20] <rene-dev> I dont need encoders, I need smartserial...
[16:11:45] <andypugh> There is a bitfile for SSSV8_48 for the 96-pin cards, that’s 8 x smart serial and 48 encoders and pwms.
[16:12:02] <pcw_home> PIN_SVSS8_16_96 has 8 PWMs 8 encoders 16 SS. is that OK?
[16:13:00] <andypugh> (I just realised I must be mis-interpreting vhd-file names, ignore me, listen to PCW)
[16:13:04] <pcw_home> you can always disabled the PWM/encoders and get 48 GPIO + 16 SS
[16:13:06] <rene-dev> yes
[16:13:33] <rene-dev> I know :)
[16:13:38] <pcw_home> as a first shot it should be OK
[16:13:57] <pcw_home> (unless you know where you want the PWM pins
[16:14:16] <rene-dev> dont care
[16:15:03] <pcw_home> OK building that one now
[16:17:05] <rene-dev> thanks... how do I need the numbers? what does the ssvs stand for?
[16:18:53] <pcw_home> SV= servo (normally encoder+PWM) SS= SmartSerial
[16:18:55] <pcw_home> ST = stepper FA=Fanuc SI=SSI BI=BISS RM=Resolver
[16:20:53] <rene-dev> ah!
[16:21:15] <pcw_home> sorry, takes a while, slow (core duo) machine at home
[16:27:01] <Deejay> gn8
[16:29:02] <pcw_home> http://freeby.mesanet.com/5i22s_svss8_16.bit
[16:33:33] <rene-dev> pcw_home Thanks! coud I also have the pin vhd file?
[16:34:04] <pcw_home> it should be in the standard source dist
[16:34:30] <pcw_home> (that is, I just used one from there)
[16:35:26] <rene-dev> could not find it in the 5i22 firmware package...
[16:38:29] <andypugh> The vhd is definitely in the 5i22 zip file from Mesa, in configs/hostmot2/src/Hostmot2.zip
[16:39:48] <pcw_home> yeah there are a lot more source configs than bitfiles
[16:40:24] <pcw_home> especially on older cards before I scripted the builds
[16:43:42] <rene-dev> ah, in the hostmot zip file ^^
[17:06:25] <JT-Shop> http://gnipsel.com/images/equipment-shed/e-shed-26.jpg
[17:06:35] <JT-Shop> http://gnipsel.com/images/equipment-shed/e-shed-27.jpg
[17:26:07] <rene-dev> how do I install linux-image-rt-amd64 on jessie?
[17:33:25] <MarkusBec> menuconfig make make install
[17:33:27] <MarkusBec> ;)
[17:35:33] <MacGalempsy> well, beers are flowing today!
[17:35:54] <MacGalempsy> just met a crazy german chemist. he was nutz
[17:36:05] <JT-Shop> rene-dev: I don't think 64bit works but I may be wrong
[17:36:27] <MacGalempsy> i tried to get him to formulate some sla resin.
[17:36:38] <JT-Shop> cool
[17:36:52] <MacGalempsy> he wasnt so down with the pla
[17:36:54] <MacGalempsy> plan
[17:37:22] <JT-Shop> rene-dev: this is how I install on linux mint
http://gnipsel.com/files/linuxmint/mint17.3.txt
[17:38:04] <MacGalempsy> dont know why, but it never worked for me jt
[17:38:30] <JT-Shop> don't know why either
[17:38:39] <JT-Shop> I've done it about 20 times lol
[17:39:04] <JT-Shop> some on purpose lol
[17:39:08] <MacGalempsy> hahah
[17:39:23] <JT-Shop> got 4 of the 20 lights hung and wired up in the shop did you see the photo
[17:39:58] <MacGalempsy> how is the 3d printing going?
[17:40:05] <MacGalempsy> no
[17:40:10] <MacGalempsy> show me the photo
[17:41:55] <JT-Shop> http://gnipsel.com/images/equipment-shed/e-shed-26.jpg
[17:42:01] <JT-Shop> http://gnipsel.com/images/equipment-shed/e-shed-27.jpg
[17:42:20] <JT-Shop> printer is being stupid right now lol
[17:42:35] <JT-Shop> got the welding table pretty much done
[17:43:00] <JT-Shop> http://gnipsel.com/images/weld-table/weld-table-30.jpg
[17:43:59] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Nice, why the perf?
[17:44:21] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: BTW, realy like the lighting in there
[17:44:49] <JT-Shop> perf?
[17:45:24] <Jymmm> swiss cheese table
[17:45:39] <Jymmm> a;; the holes
[17:45:41] <Jymmm> all
[17:45:42] <JT-Shop> so you can use hold downs and fixture where you need them
[17:45:52] <Jymmm> ah, how thick?
[17:45:57] <JT-Shop> 1/4"
[17:46:01] <JT-Shop> 6"
[17:46:12] <Jymmm> oh damn, looks much thinner
[17:46:26] <AndChat|234416> lookin good jt
[17:46:32] <JT-Shop> don't look thin when you try and pick it up lol
[17:46:45] <JT-Shop> came out flatter than my 1" thick table
[17:46:58] <Jymmm> eeeeesh, lol
[17:47:08] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: nice job!
[17:47:26] <Jymmm> Are these any good?
http://www.homedepot.com/p/ProSeal-16-ft-Garage-Door-Bottom-Seal-Kit-54016/203301256
[17:47:39] <AndChat|234416> do you still have backorders on the spyder parts?
[17:47:46] <Jymmm> I have a "bulb" type right now and it sucks
[17:48:03] <JT-Shop> I'm behind on a few parts yea
[17:48:21] <JT-Shop> Jymmm: no garage door seal from a box store is good
[17:48:31] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: suggestions?
[17:48:51] <JT-Shop> I'm looking for where I get mine
[17:49:25] <JT-Shop> http://www.northshorecommercialdoor.com/
[17:49:26] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: This is what I have now, but it's flattened out and I think if I replace it, I'll have the same issue in a few years
[17:49:33] <Jymmm> http://ep.yimg.com/ay/yhst-16416632405890/garage-door-bottom-t-bulb-vinyl-weatherseal-seals-205.gif
[17:50:06] <JT-Shop> you need good door seals all around or you can't heat/cool the space... I know
[17:50:30] <Jymmm> ...or keep it from flooding 4ft in the garage
[17:50:39] <Jymmm> I KNOW! lol
[17:51:06] <andypugh> If you have shop-air consider an inflatable gasket
[17:51:20] <Jymmm> never heard of such a thing
[17:51:51] <JT-Shop> that would be the best bottom seal
[17:52:04] <JT-Shop> http://www.northshorecommercialdoor.com/gadoinbowese.html
[17:52:20] <andypugh> Neither had BP with Deepwtaer Horizon. It was probably the answer there too
[17:53:31] <JT-Shop> I get my side and top seals from a local commercial garage door place, the box store seals are rubbish
[17:54:34] <andypugh> Actively controlled inflatable seals are (I believe) common on industrial fridges/freezers
[17:55:17] <Jymmm> Yeah, these "soft" pvc should never be considered for a seal imo
[17:55:33] <Jymmm> I've been reshaping it using a torch =(
[17:55:42] <andypugh> As for Deepwater Horizon, I really thought that (hydraulically) inflating a super-duty innertube round the pipe would have worked.
[17:55:44] <Jymmm> and spring clamps
[17:55:45] <JT-Shop> I have a tiny stove and window ac that are 1/2 the size rated for the square feet I have and they just loaf along doing there job due to the over insualtion
[17:56:44] <JT-Shop> or insulation even
[17:56:55] <andypugh> JT-Shop: This is going to sound odd. But the style of your pedestrian door is a real mis-match to the aesthetic of the space :-)
[17:58:07] <JT-Shop> how's that?
[17:58:37] <JT-Shop> btw, over here it is a MAN door lol
[17:59:00] <andypugh> I don’t think any of my friends have used the phrase “insulating tape” for years. We all use “insiulting tape” Interestingly I am the only common node in three groups doing that, and I am not the vector.
[17:59:32] <andypugh> It would help if I proof-read. “insulting tape”
[18:01:38] <andypugh> JT-Shop: I think it is because the 6-panel door is Edwardian and the rest of the room is either Victorian or 21st century
[18:01:43] <JT-Shop> "tape" your ugly and your mother dresses you funny
[18:02:24] <JT-Shop> ah, that is the way the man door comes with 6 panels
[18:02:35] <andypugh> Well, as “insulting tape” would insult you, that should be printed on the tape.
[18:02:43] <andypugh> I should Kickstater this idea
[18:02:47] <JT-Shop> did you notice the tiny wood stove waiting to be installed?
[18:03:16] <andypugh> “Insulting tape” Tape with random insults printed the entire length.
[18:03:18] <JT-Shop> can you tape it to their back as you slap them on the back then walk away
[18:03:44] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: I noticed a white heater, but not a wood heater
[18:04:22] <JT-Shop> white thing is a dehumidifier, wood stove is to the left of it a bit
[18:05:00] <JT-Shop> have to look through the ladder
[18:05:01] <Jymmm> behind the ladder/scaffolding?
[18:05:06] <Jymmm> heh
[18:05:13] <JT-Shop> aye
[18:05:56] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Since the bastards won't sell it to me (calif), maybe you have some used for one...
http://www.sportsmansguide.com/product/index/hq-issue-outdoor-wood-stove?a=1884248
[18:05:57] * JT-Shop wanders inside now
[18:06:07] <Jymmm> s/used/use/
[18:06:37] <JT-Shop> cheap enough
[18:07:03] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: meant to be protable, pipe included
[18:07:14] <Jymmm> portable, pipse fits inside firebox
[18:07:32] <JT-Shop> yea like for a tent or yurt
[18:07:44] <JT-Shop> say goodnight Gracie
[18:07:53] <Jymmm> g'night groucho ;)
[18:11:02] <andypugh> I did almost nothing this evening :-(
[18:12:07] <andypugh> Bothers me, I decided to delay a visit to my parents to get an extra evening.
[18:12:43] <AndChat|234416> sears blows
[18:13:28] <AndChat|234416> if you want to exchange a broken allen you have to return the set...
[18:17:09] <andypugh> I did make a USB-to-12V-banana-plug thing. To power a bit of instrumentation we use at work. It’s very expensive, it comes with a bizarre cable that breaks out to an RJ45 for data and two banana plugs for power. But if the power goes off, it loses comms. Find me a permanent 12V supply inside a car that stays on when the key is off, and during cranking….
[18:18:18] <andypugh> So, the widget is to power it from my laptop USB as the only always-on power supply I have.
[18:19:41] <andypugh> It is a nice thing, other than the bizarre power supply thing. 8 thermocouples at 50Hz
http://www.etas.com/en/products/es420_thermo_module_8_ch.php
[18:27:13] <Tom_L> or power a smps from a lighter plug
[18:27:32] <Tom_L> they're pretty darn cheap
[18:29:51] <andypugh> Still needs the interface to banana plugs. A very odd choice
[18:30:03] <malcom2073_> andypugh: We use these a lot:
http://www.mini-box.com/DCDC-USB
[18:30:09] <malcom2073_> Because they survive cranking on larger vehicles
[18:31:09] <Tom_L> i was gonna suggest them but i didn't know they made those
[18:31:21] <Tom_L> i know about their pc psu stuff
[18:32:14] <malcom2073_> As long as your instrumentation is decent and can handle a not-very-clean SMPS, it's pretty good
[18:36:02] <andypugh> The widget is good from 5V to 50V, it’s more a problem with the in-car power, finding something in the cabin that doesn’t actually turn off with the key.
[18:36:40] <Tom_L> aren't the lighters usually hot?
[18:37:00] <andypugh> it seems to vary
[18:37:05] <malcom2073_> It varies a lot
[18:37:32] <malcom2073_> You should run a line dedicated from the battery, only takes 15-20 minutes and well worth it :)
[18:38:02] <malcom2073_> We have a "kit" we'll put on rentals when we go on site, has power for devices and and inverter for laptops and everything
[18:39:54] <andypugh> I can’t actually always trust the vehicle battery. I am trying to monitor glow-plug temperature through power-latch and cranking at -30C
[18:40:17] <Tom_L> what about one of those cell phone packs?
[18:40:28] <malcom2073_> Well if the vehicle battery doesn't work, it's a moot point :-P
[18:40:31] <Tom_L> or other 'usb' charge device
[18:40:50] <malcom2073_> Yeah, use your own onboard power, and use vehicle power to self-charge
[18:41:16] <andypugh> There are, indeed, many options. But the laptop is always there with me and has a big (14 hour) battery
[18:41:26] <malcom2073_> Then what are you complaining about? :-P
[18:41:54] <Tom_L> heh
[18:42:30] <Tom_L> you short the bananna plug and that could end your usb port
[18:42:48] <andypugh> I am complaining that I spent my own money making an adaptor to enable me to use the big laptop battery to run work equipment to do my job.
[18:43:46] <andypugh> Tom_L: Yes, I could kill my laptop. But it’s a horrible laptop, so I wouldn’t care
[18:44:08] <Tom_L> but that would give you even more reason to complain =)
[18:44:21] <malcom2073_> +1 for making new reasons to complain on the fly
[18:44:30] <andypugh> No, it would be relaced by one of the new ones.
[18:49:31] <andypugh> We have Panasonic Toughbooks. They have a big battery, they have a nice carrying handle. In every other respect they don’t fit the job. They have a terrible touchpad (to be fair, it is one that works with gloves on, and that makes it harder) that makes it hard to hit little tiiny check-boxes in the sofware we use. And, about 10% of the right and bottom edges of the tiny trackpad are scroll areas. Which you can’t tu
[18:49:31] <andypugh> off. We also need to read 5000 page PDF documents that describe the software. Randomly scrolling to somewhere else in the document when you touch the pad has had me several times wanting to test just how Tough the Book is.
[18:50:13] <Tom_L> hah
[18:55:38] <andypugh> Furthermore, the job involves monitoring the values of a sub-set of 50,000 variables. A 1024x768 blurry resistve touchscreen is not the tool for that job.
[19:04:07] <tiwake> andypugh: why does most software have to be junk/poorly written
[19:07:12] <malcom2073_> Because engineers suck at HMI
[19:07:43] <malcom2073_> Also, lowest bidder syndrome heh
[19:07:53] <tiwake> software engineers?
[19:08:09] <andypugh> tiwake: Maybe because you don’t write it?
[19:08:11] <malcom2073_> Yeah
[19:08:35] <jdh> I do a lot of HMI stuff. I'm pretty mediocre
[19:08:49] <tiwake> andypugh: I've written UI's before, also multi-threading... etc.
[19:09:00] <andypugh> Or are you convinced that if you did write software it wouldn’t be junk?
[19:09:23] <tiwake> no, done properly would mean me not doing it
[19:09:35] <malcom2073_> Heh
[19:09:45] <andypugh> So, who would be doing it?
[19:09:59] <tiwake> about 40% less people that are doing it right now
[19:09:59] <malcom2073_> Most things I've written have been because someone else didn't do it properly
[19:10:08] <malcom2073_> Infact, I've made a job out of it
[19:10:55] <andypugh> I reckon nost of the sofware I use is better than I could write.
[19:11:15] <tiwake> malcom2073_: yeah, given some extra time I could make it proper... but making stuff properly for me lies in manufacturing/machining, and fixing things that other people did incorrectly in those areas
[19:11:55] <tiwake> its like nobody wants to make stuff properly
[19:12:04] <tiwake> meh
[19:12:05] <andypugh> So, was your complaint about a specific part of LinuxCNC, or software in general?
[19:12:19] <tiwake> no, not linuxCNC, never used it (yet)
[19:12:29] <tiwake> software in general
[19:13:02] <tiwake> esp. most commercial software
[19:13:04] <tiwake> oh gosh
[19:13:20] <andypugh> Ah, right. Well, LinuxCNC sucks. Written by amateurs in their spare time. You should avoid it.
[19:13:30] <tiwake> enh
[19:14:34] <tiwake> andypugh: a number of heavy weight open source projects are written that way and are from disgrunted software guys who do it correctly in their spare time, while getting paid to make junk software for their boss
[19:15:26] <tiwake> at least with linuxCNC I can change whatever I want to, if I feel compelled enough to do so... heh, might happen when I get around to building some of the machines I want to
[19:17:42] <andypugh> I think the worlds are converging. For example, if you give Autodesk a good error rescription and test case via the forums then they do tend to fix it
[19:18:17] <tiwake> not most (all?) adobe products
[19:18:57] <andypugh> Though the support for PyGtk is terrible. There is a mailing list but the archives basically contain only problem descriptions with no replies.
[19:20:05] <andypugh> Glade is also decidedly flaky. You have to know what not to di if you don’t want it to crash-out on you
[19:20:28] <malcom2073_> Support for *gtk is terrible :-P
[19:20:40] <andypugh> (which is a shame, as it’s the preferred way to make custom LinuxCNC UIs)
[19:21:14] <tiwake> I have no idea what you are talking about
[19:21:25] <tiwake> oh, internal linuxCNC code?
[19:21:31] <tiwake> and its dependencies
[19:22:40] <andypugh> I spent 3 evenings on the pygtk IRC, sent an email to the mailing list and another email to a commercial PyGTK developer consultant listed on the PyGTK web page front page. And had not a single reply to my query.
[19:22:53] <Jymmm> KEYSTICK FTW!!1 WOOHOO
[19:23:21] <andypugh> Jymmm: We dropped Keystivk
[19:23:21] <Jymmm> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.6/html/common/images/keystick.png
[19:23:31] <Jymmm> andypugh: WuuuHAT?!
[19:23:48] <tiwake> andypugh: lol... so its a problem with pyGTK?
[19:23:55] <andypugh> Nobody volunteered to adapt it to JA
[19:24:00] <Jymmm> andypugh: totally, or just in the background?
[19:24:05] <Jymmm> JA ?
[19:24:27] <BeachBumPete> hehe as usual I have NO IDEA what you guys are talking about :)
[19:24:54] <andypugh> 2.8 finally accepts that joints and axes are different things. Keystick doesn’t.
[19:25:27] <pfred1> I think i only run 2.6?
[19:25:56] <Jymmm> andypugh: but it's just a UI, not the underlining engine
[19:26:21] <Jymmm> andypugh: Even when keystick would crash, it still kept on maching
[19:26:34] <Jymmm> machinging*
[19:26:38] <Jymmm> bah
[19:26:47] <pfred1> I don't think I'd liek that
[19:26:54] <BeachBumPete> keystick sounds like a bad thing really
[19:27:15] <andypugh> Yes, but the UI needs to handle both modes for non-cartesian machines, and nobody volunteered to adapt Keystick.
[19:27:18] <Jymmm> pfred1: Eh, if AXIS ever crashed, it still keep going too =)
[19:27:35] <tiwake> BeachBumPete: just messy code-innerds
[19:28:13] <BeachBumPete> innerds....sounds gross hehe
[19:28:42] <Jymmm> andypugh: Oh man, bummer. I liked having multiple UI's going, it was pretty frickin cool, especillay when one of them was on XP =)
[19:29:02] <tiwake> BeachBumPete: its software, 85% of all software is disgusting like that
[19:29:54] <pfred1> I don't know anything about software I can't even get the stuff to build half the time anymore
[19:29:59] <tiwake> BeachBumPete: the only thing that I know is pretty darn freaking good is the linux task scheduler
[19:30:04] <BeachBumPete> it is both disgusting and miraculous to me man
[19:30:41] <tiwake> and probably about half of what malcom2073_ wrote
[19:30:48] <tiwake> maybe 2/3 ;)
[19:30:59] <malcom2073_> Psh, you give me more credit than you should :-P
[19:31:20] <malcom2073_> Just because my stuff is more proper than the stuff I'm replacing, doens't mean it's any good :)
[19:31:24] <pfred1> I need to take another crack at getting kicad to build
[19:32:03] <tiwake> malcom2073_: I'd call more proper half way proper, which is about half of everything, as I stated already :P
[19:32:58] <tiwake> hmm
[19:33:39] <tiwake> what is written for the AMD video drivers is pretty good overall... just that there is a bunch of stuff missing still
[19:34:09] <pfred1> the time I tried to run LinuxCNC with AMD video it just crashed
[19:34:47] <tiwake> pfred1: with AMD's release of the R9 480, they had open source linux support before it was actually released
[19:34:57] <tiwake> this was... 6 months ago?
[19:35:04] <tiwake> something
[19:35:15] <pfred1> oh I tried years ago
[19:35:31] <tiwake> yeah, its actually pretty goodish now
[19:35:40] <pfred1> I'll never know
[19:35:56] <pfred1> I don't even know what happened to that video adapter
[19:36:07] <pfred1> it's around somewhere
[19:38:44] <pfred1> my machine is on the fritz right now i need a new stepper drive for it
[19:40:16] <tiwake> I should pull the alcohol out of the trunk of my car
[19:40:24] <tiwake> and slurp on some of it
[19:40:32] <pfred1> yeah what good does it do there?
[19:41:22] <tiwake> it was for an election party that was successful, so it served its purpose :3
[19:42:05] <pfred1> alcohol doesn't serve its purpose until it is served
[19:43:51] <tiwake> I also need to shower
[19:44:05] <pfred1> not if you get stinking drunk you don't
[19:44:58] <pfred1> this drive worked OK on my workbench why doesn't it work on my machine?
[20:33:21] <pink_vampire> what is the Nxxxxx in the g code?
[20:33:50] <XXCoder> ah
[20:33:53] <XXCoder> its just line number
[20:34:08] <pink_vampire> it start at n10
[20:34:13] <pink_vampire> N10
[20:34:16] <XXCoder> I like it because it makes recovery easier
[20:34:21] <XXCoder> yeah you can do it any way
[20:34:21] <pink_vampire> up to N99995
[20:34:36] <XXCoder> can n10 n20 n30 or n10 n12 n14 so on
[20:34:52] <XXCoder> some machines must have that, most don;t require it at all
[20:34:55] <pink_vampire> and then it go back to N10
[20:35:40] <pink_vampire> but at the middle of the code it switch from N99995 to N10 again..
[20:36:05] <XXCoder> most machines it doesnt affect anything
[20:36:17] <XXCoder> though I ran machine that would cause errors if had that lol
[20:36:30] <XXCoder> old machine.
[20:36:45] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/OjF2MLV.png
[20:37:08] <pink_vampire> do you see what i mean
[20:37:36] <XXCoder> yeah
[20:38:22] <XXCoder> problem with n looped over is that if you had to restart program, you will not know for example n10000 to start again from
[20:38:35] <XXCoder> otherwise not a serious problem at all
[20:38:47] <pink_vampire> i'm edit .he post now
[20:47:13] <Tom_L> pink_vampire, Nxxx is for humans not machines
[20:47:38] <XXCoder> Tom_L: not always
[20:47:57] <XXCoder> that old machine it is how it dermines which line I am editing. quite old machine.
[20:48:17] <XXCoder> and if line does have N or there is dupicates it refuses to work.
[20:48:22] <Tom_L> should be converted by now :D
[20:48:28] <XXCoder> thankfully its for humans only for most machines now
[20:48:36] <XXCoder> its ancient fadal 88
[20:48:41] <XXCoder> 88 as in 1988
[20:49:11] <Tom_L> and doesn't care if it's 123 or 10 20 30 or 11 1 13 14 15 16 12
[20:49:55] <XXCoder> for most machines it is safe to say can just ignore it
[20:51:13] <pink_vampire> it look fine afyter the post editing
[20:51:21] <Tom_L> i know some don't like O words which are comments on some machines
[20:51:27] <Tom_L> lcnc doesn't like them
[20:52:02] <XXCoder> some (half of machines at work?) use o word as program reference number
[20:52:05] <XXCoder> say o1821
[20:52:22] <Tom_L> usually a program description of some sort
[20:52:24] <XXCoder> so in order to switch to that program, just type o1821 and press down or up
[20:52:33] <tiwake> http://i.imgur.com/Jg0gWBo.gifv
[20:52:56] <Tom_L> lcnc treats them as subroutines
[20:53:30] <XXCoder> it can be used that way yeah. umm g98 o19221 for example? not too sure there
[20:54:32] <Tom_L> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/gcode/o-code.html
[20:55:27] <Tom_L> O (232spot.txt)
[20:55:43] <Tom_L> a line from one of our fanuc programs
[20:55:49] <Tom_L> lcnc would puke on that
[20:57:38] <gregcnc> pink_vampire line numbers are in your post, and can be changed or removed if needed
[21:13:17] <pink_vampire> it's running now on the machine
[21:14:03] <pink_vampire> where can i see the time duration in linux cnc?
[21:19:07] <tiwake> http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/wear-safety-pin-support-marginalized-trump-america-article-1.2868986?cid=bitly
[21:19:27] <tiwake> the glorious salt and tears continue
