#linuxcnc | Logs for 2016-11-10

Back
[02:37:46] <Deejay> moin
[05:50:17] <jthornton> morning
[05:50:27] <XXCoder> hey jt
[05:52:25] <jthornton> what's up today?
[05:52:35] <XXCoder> reading trump 100 day plan
[05:56:45] <Tom_itx> hey
[05:57:31] <jthornton> morning Tom
[05:58:09] <jthornton> I need to rebuild my indoor seed starter, my first guess was wrong it seems
[06:00:10] * XXCoder groans
[06:00:16] <XXCoder> well that was fun read
[06:41:16] * Deejay installs update to 2.7.7
[06:41:33] <jthornton> Deejay: is still behind by 1 :)
[06:42:06] <Deejay> this is what shows up in my 10.04 update manager
[06:42:20] <Deejay> sim is also 2.7.7-xxx
[06:42:31] <Deejay> perhaps 2.7.8 is not stable yet?
[06:42:39] <XXCoder> so jthornton any new designs heh
[06:42:49] <jthornton> https://forum.linuxcnc.org/29-forum-announcements/31806-linuxcnc-2-7-8-released
[06:43:05] <jthornton> still trying to figure out what is wrong with the printer
[06:44:35] <Deejay> öh
[06:44:40] <XXCoder> forgot whats wrong
[06:44:43] <Deejay> clicked "check for updates" after installing
[06:44:53] <Deejay> and there is another update
[06:45:02] <Deejay> 2.7.7 to 2.7.8 for linuxcnc-doc
[06:45:09] <Deejay> and 2.7.6 to 2.7.7 for linuxcnc
[06:45:19] <Deejay> but i already installed 2.7.7 seconds ago
[06:45:37] <jthornton> some parts of the part are messed up and some parts are perfect
[06:46:54] <XXCoder> strange
[06:47:28] <Deejay> hmm, seems that the "changes" info is wrong for 278
[06:47:34] <Deejay> it installs 2.7.8 ;)
[06:47:42] <Deejay> but the changes text showed 2.7.7 ;)
[06:47:52] <XXCoder> is it safe to update linuxcnc?
[06:47:55] <jthornton> strange as the weather icon thinks it 72f outside and my heater is running...
[06:48:00] <jthornton> yea
[06:48:08] <archivist> I think the update manager itself has a buglet or few
[06:48:15] <Deejay> great, have the latest version now :)
[06:48:16] <Deejay> tnx
[06:48:27] <Deejay> now the sim ;)
[06:48:58] <archivist> it said 10 updates, downloaded 2 then said done
[06:49:25] <archivist> now states 8 available but when I check claims up to date
[06:50:10] <Deejay> hm
[06:51:06] <Deejay> alrighty now. sim 2.7.8-2g3c9b549 :)
[06:56:31] <Deejay> cannot assign read-only parameter... #<_feed> = 4500
[06:56:46] <Deejay> in earlier versions, this caused not an error :/
[06:59:21] <Deejay> have to plane over my table now
[07:00:41] <jthornton> hmm #<_feed> must have been added to the predefined read only parameters
[07:01:04] <CaptHindsight> XXCoder: you might appreciate this now :) Bananas (1971) -scene with Mad Dictator https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EV4N2dk0cMk&index=24&list=RDKqsda-1h_y8
[07:01:56] <XXCoder> sadly not captioned with english
[07:02:16] <Deejay> jthornton, do you know if there is some kind of convention for internal parameters? shoud i perhaps not use _ in the beginning of my params?
[07:02:31] <jthornton> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/gcode/overview.html#sub:system-parameters
[07:02:44] <Deejay> thanks, mr. documentation ;)
[07:03:02] <Deejay> so they all begin with an underline
[07:03:03] <XXCoder> docs is his superpower
[07:03:21] <Deejay> :)
[07:03:42] <jthornton> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/gcode/overview.html#_named_parameters
[07:04:00] <CaptHindsight> XXCoder: sorry https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYjlZVNFjiI
[07:05:45] <XXCoder> CaptHindsight: so funny lol
[07:06:03] <XXCoder> "all children under 16 is 16 now"
[07:07:00] <jthornton> yep looks like #<_feed> is a predefined parameter now
[07:07:46] <Deejay> thanks JT
[07:09:01] <jthornton> actually it's a system parameter
[07:09:05] <jthornton> just found it
[07:09:26] <jthornton> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/gcode/overview.html#sub:system-parameters
[07:15:48] <Deejay> yeah
[07:16:19] <Deejay> did not know about any system parameters before. but nice feature
[07:36:50] <pink_vampire> seb_kuzminsky: Yes, I have my .axisrc file in the ~/ folder (/home/berta/.axisrc) but linux cnc ignore it
[07:37:21] <jthornton> are you using the Axis GUI?
[07:37:33] <pink_vampire> yes
[07:37:41] <Deejay> hi pink
[07:38:13] <pink_vampire> hii Deejay
[07:38:35] <jthornton> root_window.tk.call("wm","protocol",".","WM_DELETE_WINDOW","destroy .")
[07:38:48] <jthornton> that is what I have in my .axisrc and it works
[07:39:14] <jthornton> if your tired of seeing do you really want to quit add that to your .axisrc file
[07:40:00] * jthornton heads for the elliptical for a work out
[07:41:00] <pink_vampire> what version of linux cnc are you using?
[07:43:30] <linux_vampire> http://paste.debian.net/894284/
[07:43:38] <linux_vampire> this is my file
[07:44:23] <jthornton> 2.7.8
[07:44:35] <pink_vampire> I'm with 2.7.0
[07:45:06] <jthornton> instead of changing the key mapping just add a pyvcp button to move table left etc
[07:45:30] <pink_vampire> I'm using small keyboard
[07:46:34] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/RXNRYtX.png
[07:47:41] <archivist> keyboard is not relevant, you should have updated to later 2.7 by now
[07:47:48] <pink_vampire> I aldo need to re map the F2 key to something else, I don't have F buttons on my keyboard.
[07:48:24] <pink_vampire> archivist: i'm on 2.7
[07:48:51] <archivist> 2.7. what 0 is old
[07:49:21] <pink_vampire> this is the last one on the website.
[07:49:35] <archivist> run the update
[07:50:04] <archivist> it is expected that you do that,
[07:50:05] <pink_vampire> how do I back up it first?
[08:18:38] <jthornton> what is "it"?
[08:21:47] <pink_vampire> how do I backup linuxcnc first?
[08:22:37] <jthornton> no need to backup linuxcnc, if you want to make a copy of your configs just copy the /linuxcnc/.*. directory
[08:23:15] <jthornton> you can change versions in the Synaptic Package Manger or GDebi if you have it installed
[08:24:10] <jthornton> or /linuxcnc/*.* as the case may be
[08:24:34] * jthornton heads for the shower
[08:24:54] <pink_vampire> ok.. lets see
[08:25:13] <pink_vampire> I'm trying to update now.
[08:26:26] <linux_vampire> http://paste.debian.net/894306/
[08:26:39] <linux_vampire> this is the output from the update
[08:26:57] <linux_vampire> te reboot the computer?
[08:28:06] <archivist> no reboot needed, it is not windows
[08:28:18] <pink_vampire> ok.. I don't know..
[08:28:48] <pink_vampire> so I just open linux cnc and it should be the last version?
[08:30:26] <archivist> you know things are faster to try on your machine than ask us
[08:31:31] <linux_vampire> better ask then sorry
[08:31:49] <linux_vampire> now I'm on 2.7.8
[08:32:42] <linux_vampire> but it still not recognize the .axisrc file
[08:32:54] <linux_vampire> is there a way to test it?
[08:35:29] <archivist> I bet you have something wrong with its name so it cannot be seen
[08:35:43] <archivist> or permissions
[08:36:08] <linux_vampire> to change it to 777?
[08:38:36] <archivist> you get error 13 if permissions 2 if not there
[08:38:45] <linux_vampire> maybe I need to add something in the hal file or the ini?
[08:38:54] <archivist> error numbers matter
[08:39:27] <linux_vampire> so ineed to reboot the computer to make it work?
[08:40:14] <linux_vampire> I don't get any error
[08:40:45] <linux_vampire> is there a way to check if linux cnc read the file?
[08:41:45] <archivist> reboot is never the right answer except on windows
[08:42:02] <Deejay> indeed
[08:49:30] <linux_vampire> root_window.tk.call("wm","protocol",".","WM_DELETE_WINDOW","destroy .")
[08:49:57] <linux_vampire> this is the line that i have in my .axisrc file
[08:50:31] <linux_vampire> what it supposed to do?
[08:52:12] <JT-Shop> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/gui/axis.html#_axisrc
[08:56:52] <Deejay> re
[08:57:02] <Deejay> vmware crashed my x-server :/
[08:59:28] <pink_vampire> i'm reading
[09:08:33] <Mac-Phone> hello
[09:42:40] <pink_vampire> I tried now several times to do what the doc say
[09:42:41] <pink_vampire> http://paste.debian.net/894325/
[09:42:49] <pink_vampire> this is the file info
[09:43:12] <pink_vampire> the permission set to 777
[09:43:27] <pink_vampire> but it not effect linux cnc
[09:44:23] <pink_vampire> the "Control-Q" key combination do nothing
[09:46:35] <pink_vampire> archivist: JT-Shop seb_kuzminsky ^
[10:07:29] <gregcnc> What are the chances a VFD is gonna blow up if rated 240VAC +5% (252) and my line hovers at 250? damn near 252VAC today...
[10:10:04] <FloppyDisk525> Pretty low if it's +5%, you're in the spec. Probably a bit of over-spec allowed as well. You need a buck 'step down' transformer...
[10:11:26] <FloppyDisk525> If you think there will be an issue. Also, depends on quality of your VFD. Chinaco will probably perform less well than AB or Yaskawa VFDs...
[10:12:16] <FloppyDisk525> Seems to me, more common to have too low of voltage, not too high. But everybody has a different fight on their hands.
[10:13:19] <pcw_home> The filter capacitors are probably 450V, the IGBTs 600V and you would have about 350V VBUS at 250VAC in
[10:15:04] <pcw_home> If you worry, make sure you have a brake resistor and the brake voltage is set to 400V or lower (if settable)
[10:24:34] <Jymmm> Does linuxcnc have a solution for this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lo6x4eulY9g
[10:32:15] <JT-Shop> pink_vampire: non-standard keyboard or you have the caps lock on
[10:36:00] <Demure_> Tramming my mill, X seems to be spot on now, but I have no real way of adjusting the Y (nod) of the head. It's less than 0.02mm within a 40-50mm circle, will this cause issues?
[10:36:28] <gregcnc> It's an Eaton MVX9000. Others have no issue, but are rated 240±10% for whatever reason. Just looking for used cheap on Ebay.
[10:36:28] <Demure_> There's a little bit of flex in the machine, if I push heavily on the head I can make it move that 0.02mm.
[10:39:26] <DaViruz> i'd say that's fine unless you know you need better
[10:40:01] <Demure_> I'll know that when I need it, just wanted to make sure it's within the average acceptable amount.
[10:40:56] <gregcnc> did you build this mill?
[10:41:09] <Demure_> No, it's an old Emco F1 I took apart and put back together after cleaning.
[10:41:16] <gregcnc> oh right
[10:41:21] <pink_vampire> JT-Shop: i tried with and without caps lock
[10:41:40] <DaViruz> soon we have one each of the small emco cnc mills :)
[10:42:17] <gregcnc> yeah!
[10:42:35] <Demure_> I have an F1 and a Compact 5 Lathe. So far so good, I always heard the F1 is the mill equiv. of the Compact 5 lathe, but the F1 mill is much much better built compared to the Compact 5.
[10:42:37] <archivist> pink_vampire, you have a non standard keyboard, most people go and find a hex keyboard test program
[10:43:03] <gregcnc> I'd say F1 is a different class
[10:43:28] <DaViruz> do the F1 have ballscrews?
[10:44:10] <pink_vampire> i'm testing it with the logitech k360
[10:44:30] <Demure_> Yup, but so does the Compact 5 CNC (Not the normal Compact 5)
[10:44:35] <DaViruz> oh
[10:44:39] <DaViruz> i didn't know that
[10:44:47] <Demure_> I wasn't aware it was a different class until I got the thing, quite happy so far. :)
[10:44:48] <pink_vampire> and according to xev the mapping is the same for the lenovo and the k360
[10:45:18] <DaViruz> i have a vmc-100, quite happy as well
[10:45:26] <DaViruz> now that i finally have everything working..
[10:45:52] <pink_vampire> https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41knnZobgiL.jpg
[10:45:59] <Demure_> Wow, nice! From what I saw it looks to be almost identical to the Emco F1 but with that lovely toolchanger.
[10:46:01] <pink_vampire> this is the logitech k360
[10:46:15] <Demure_> I was hoping to have found the VMC100 but had to settle ;)
[10:47:38] <DaViruz> the toolchanger have given me a lot of headaches, i'm reluctant to call it lovely.. :)
[10:47:48] <pink_vampire> archivist: JT-Shop^
[10:48:03] <archivist> pink_vampire, it is not up to the channel to diagnose every little problem with unusual hardware, some effort from you please
[10:48:39] <Mac-Phone> Jymmm: did u give it a thumbs up?
[10:48:44] <DaViruz> the biggest problem with the vmc-100 is the rare tool holders, though it's possible to make your own
[10:49:03] <Demure_> Haha, I was afraid it would be, but once running seems very useful.
[10:49:10] <Demure_> Does it not just use the standard Emco ISO30 holders?
[10:49:46] <DaViruz> not quite, it has an integrated bearing that holds it in the tool turret
[10:49:50] <DaViruz> and they are a bit shorter
[10:50:16] <Demure_> Welp, glad to have dodged that one then. Still, a toolchanger is nice to have once it works so congrats on getting it up and running.
[10:50:25] <gregcnc> I'm getting close to finishing the ones I started
[10:52:05] <DaViruz> a lot of vmc-100's i see have a very good amount of tool holders included though
[10:52:12] <DaViruz> ..mine did not!
[10:52:35] <gregcnc> I must have a temperature related sensor failure. I ran all my parts the other day without the turret failing to index.
[10:52:39] <DaViruz> Demure_: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Emco-VMC-100-CNC-Mill-ER-16-Collet-Chuck-5-with-Bearing-1015OH-/262699620501?hash=item3d2a1e1895:g:VnIAAOSwMVdYF5~P
[10:53:05] <Demure_> That was one of the reasons I bought this F1, it came with 10 collet holders, 1 slitting saw holder & one, uh, pen holder, a vice and some more mounting hardware.
[10:53:22] <Demure_> I see..
[10:53:37] <Demure_> That could get pricy if you need 'em
[10:56:19] <gregcnc> Yeah 10 ER25 holders would be lovely for the turret mills
[10:59:04] <DaViruz> my only video is quite dull.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4yJaJvPda8
[10:59:57] <gregcnc> I'm contemplating making a vise to fit the machine better.
[11:00:21] <Demure_> Still more exciting then what I've done so far, simply some slots in random materials to see how well it does... Only got it running yesterday.
[11:00:35] <Demure_> I've seen a lot of people use screw-less vices on them, sideways
[11:01:21] <gregcnc> I have a 50mm wide dual station designed
[11:01:54] <DaViruz> i've started designing a rotary axis.. thugh that will force a control retrofit
[11:02:03] <Demure_> I really want to get working on a rotary axis
[11:02:14] <Demure_> I'm thinking about using a lathe spindle I have left over from the Compact 5
[11:02:33] <DaViruz> i was thinking along those lines first, but i opted to make my own spindle
[11:02:40] <DaViruz> http://dvhome.meeep.net/rotbord1.png
[11:02:43] <DaViruz> something like that
[11:03:18] <DaViruz> it's quite tiny, but it's all i forsee needing on this small machine
[11:04:03] <Demure_> I see. How are you going to drive it?
[11:04:06] <Demure_> Just a belt reduction or?
[11:04:16] <DaViruz> worm gearbox
[11:04:23] <DaViruz> with adjustable backlash
[11:04:30] <DaViruz> i hope it'll be good enough
[11:05:01] <DaViruz> (that's why i can't have the spindle through bored)
[11:05:05] <Demure_> Looking forward to see how it goes for you
[11:05:10] <pink_vampire> archivist: but i replace the keyboard to a regular one.
[11:05:15] <archivist> what are making on the rotary, worm quality can get in the way
[11:05:36] * JT-Shop finds it very annoying when someone keeps typing your name in the irc just to get a quicker answer
[11:05:46] <DaViruz> cam slots and hexes mostly i think
[11:06:21] <DaViruz> maybe an odd gear, though i expect worm quality can be an issue for that
[11:06:35] <archivist> it is an issure for gears :)
[11:06:39] <archivist> issue
[11:06:43] <Demure_> My main thing will be engraving, but I'd like to get into gears.
[11:07:12] <DaViruz> http://www.ebay.com/itm/252584336524?_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
[11:07:16] <DaViruz> one of those
[11:07:26] <DaViruz> used, so it might be a piece of junk
[11:07:31] <DaViruz> but if it is i can always get a new one
[11:07:42] <archivist> the error as each worm tooth engages is a sort of sawtooth
[11:07:46] <Demure_> I see those around a fair bit, they're a tempting offer at those prices
[11:07:55] <DaViruz> though the seller claims he can sense no backlash
[11:08:12] <Demure_> Would a high reduction belt be such a big issue?
[11:08:32] <DaViruz> have you seen the emco indexing table?
[11:08:41] <DaViruz> it's basically two 1:10-ish belt reductions
[11:09:02] <DaViruz> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Emco-Maximat-FB-2-Indexing-Rotary-Table-with-CNC-Control-NEMA-23-Stepper-Motor-/262096999190?hash=item3d0632d316:g:s0wAAOSweW5VSjhl
[11:09:03] <Demure_> I haven't, actually. But that makes sense.
[11:09:17] <archivist> Demure_, never measured a belt yet so dont know
[11:09:24] <DaViruz> that's a ludicrous price though
[11:09:46] <Demure_> Truth
[11:09:57] <Demure_> But then that seems to be a classic thing on eBay for machine part sellers :P
[11:10:04] <archivist> cheaper to get a Vertex from taiwan
[11:10:33] <archivist> and they come with a better spec and are 90-1 so a better worm
[11:10:33] <DaViruz> Demure_: if i wasn't so set on making life difficult i'd just get one of these
[11:10:40] <DaViruz> http://www.arceurotrade.co.uk/Catalogue/Workholding/Rotary-Tables/4-Rotary-Table-with-Stepper-Motor
[11:11:16] <Demure_> I'm a bit wary on most of the online driven ones, who knows how bad the backlash is
[11:11:20] <archivist> still cheaper to get a vertex!
[11:11:33] <DaViruz> Demure_: those are modified though
[11:11:41] <DaViruz> with real thrust bearings etc
[11:11:48] <archivist> they have adjustable backlash as well
[11:11:52] <DaViruz> yeah
[11:11:58] <DaViruz> i believe they are quite acceptable
[11:12:14] <Demure_> Hmm I see.
[11:12:14] <DaViruz> especially now that the GBP is dirt cheap ;)
[11:13:07] <archivist> dunno the dolla is about to dive :)
[11:13:32] <DaViruz> it is, but i'm from sweden, so that'll benefit me as well :)
[11:14:20] <archivist> that is a strange price for that thing at arc euro
[11:14:44] <Demure_> What vertex rotary table would you suggest?
[11:14:58] <DaViruz> the manual one is £245
[11:15:11] <archivist> what size
[11:15:24] <DaViruz> 4"
[11:16:17] <DaViruz> Demure_: the HV-6 is the smallest one i believe?
[11:16:32] <DaViruz> i'd be hard pressed to find a use for a larger one
[11:16:32] <archivist> I have a 4" http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2008/2008_01_19_cnc/P1190004.JPG
[11:16:49] <DaViruz> oh
[11:17:07] <archivist> luckily it did not cost me that much
[11:17:16] <DaViruz> i didn't know that existed
[11:19:08] <archivist> my 6" that I use to rotate the hv4 is a copy, but seems nearly as good
[11:31:56] <pink_vampire> something is very interesting
[11:32:54] <pink_vampire> I did a test now on a blank configuration from stepconf, and it work fine with the .axisrc
[11:34:05] <pink_vampire> after that i create new configuration file on the installed linux cnc, but still ignore the .axisrc..
[11:36:45] <DaViruz> gregcnc: ever considered modifying the emco to take standard bt30 tooling?
[11:37:12] <DaViruz> i guess new grippers some sort of alterations to the turret
[11:37:18] <DaViruz> or getting rid of it altogether
[11:37:24] <DaViruz> and some sort*
[11:37:25] <JT-Shop> Axis doesn't ignore the .axisrc file
[11:37:33] <pink_vampire> it seams the the machine configuration files under the home folder don't makes any effect.
[11:37:37] <JT-Shop> what is different on the configs?
[11:37:56] <pink_vampire> I just create new machine configuration
[11:37:57] <gregcnc> I did think about it. The taper still needs to be shortened.
[11:38:05] <JT-Shop> no they need to be in linuxcnc/configs/the_name_of_your_config
[11:38:06] <pink_vampire> so i have now 2 shortcuts
[11:38:07] <DaViruz> oh
[11:38:21] <DaViruz> i guess there's no point then
[11:38:39] <pink_vampire> "berta" and "test"
[11:39:37] <pink_vampire> JT-Shop: I know, the .axisrc is located in /home/berta/.axisrc
[11:40:16] <gregcnc> cutting the flange off is a lot of work, but just plain old turning.
[11:42:10] <JT-Shop> <pink_vampire> it seams the the machine configuration files under the home folder don't makes any effect.
[11:42:43] <pink_vampire> I mean to the hal, ini.. etc..
[11:57:57] <Mac-Phone> show hidden files?
[11:58:16] <miss0r> 1st world problem: I overate realy realy badly. I am now contemplating my life choices....
[11:59:04] <Mac-Phone> like the use of a diaretic?
[12:00:03] <miss0r> If only I somehow had air stuck in me I could burb out, and make everything great, I swear; I will never overeat again.
[12:00:26] <miss0r> It takes too long to go from a filled stomach out that way. and i'm pretty sure if it came out the other way, the taste would not be quite as good.
[12:00:52] <gregcnc> damn, just about the time I'm getting really hungry
[12:01:10] * Tom_itx was wondering what's for lunch...
[12:01:21] <miss0r> gregcnc: I'm pretty sure we could've shared my meal, and both be happy about it afterwards
[12:01:39] <gregcnc> depends if you're sharing before or after you ate it
[12:02:05] <gregcnc> what could you eat so much of that you're considering dead as an option?
[12:02:11] <gregcnc> death
[12:03:21] <miss0r> Here in Denmark we selebrate "Mortens night" tonight. I have no idea why, but acording to my father in law(his name is Morten), it is in his honnor. It is traditional to eat roast duck, sweet potatoes, something called rødkål(which is something like a sweet edition of the german sour craut), white potatoes, a sweet gel, and nice thick gravy
[12:04:45] <Tom_L> seems all the 'food' holidays are in cold weather
[12:04:52] <JT-Shop> miss0r: http://gnipsel.com/gravity/index.html
[12:05:05] <gregcnc> Any fowl cooking makes me nauseous for the last few years, don't know why
[12:05:21] <miss0r> Tom_L: i'm happy about that realy. In the summer time I realy don't eat that much, as I always seem to fill up on water to keep hydrated
[12:06:33] <Tom_L> mmm i must be bulking up for winter.. or just gettin lazy
[12:07:53] <miss0r> JT-Shop: even thou i'm ranting on and on about overeating in here, i'm not overweight :) i'm 6'2", and weigh in about 242 pounds. i'm muscular actualy :)
[12:08:15] <miss0r> lets just skip the sales talk... A/S/L ?? :P
[12:09:15] <gregcnc> they are all in the winter after all the farmwork was done
[12:10:04] <Tom_L> JT-Shop do you make your own jerky?
[12:10:13] <JT-Shop> usually
[12:10:36] <miss0r> how do you find the time to do that?
[12:10:45] <Tom_L> find?
[12:10:47] <Tom_L> make..
[12:11:05] <JT-Shop> very easy it only takes a few minutes to prepare
[12:11:10] <Tom_L> we find time for things we want to do
[12:11:54] <miss0r> I make my own liver paste every year... You americans probally have no idea what it is/think it is disgusting ? :)
[12:12:12] <Tom_L> it's liver.
[12:12:19] <Tom_L> say no more :)
[12:12:43] <miss0r> In denmark you see more makes/brands of liver paste in the super market than bacon and eggs combined
[12:13:11] <miss0r> Not realy compareable. I Hate liver :)
[12:13:18] <JT-Shop> miss0r: Based on the healthy BMI recommendation, your recommended weight is 144.1 lbs - 194.7 lbs
[12:14:29] <miss0r> JT-Shop: well, back in the day I used to work out alot. i'm still riding on thoes waves. I mean, I'm heavily built to start with. I can see my sixpack still. So i'm thinking i'll be alright BMI-wise(as it doesn't realy say anything)
[12:15:05] <Tom_L> it has a way of sneaking up on ya
[12:17:52] <miss0r> no doubt. My job is not realy physical anymore, as I mostly do PLC programming/building the junctionboxes for industrial equipment. I have gained some fat and lost some muscle. But i'm not worried :) i'm sort'a ready to 'let go', as I'm married and have kids.
[12:18:22] <miss0r> plus, i've never seen myself as the 50 year old strawling down the beach in realy realy small speedos :)
[12:19:43] <miss0r> I saw one of thoes vacationing in France a few years back. 50 years old, ALOT of grey hair on the chest, red tight speedos, huge gold chain around the neck, rayban sunglasses and the customary sun tan, that goes with most of these german beach turists(which I assume he was)
[12:20:31] <JT-Shop> gotta watch out it will sneak up on you lol
[12:20:40] <JT-Shop> what kind of PLC's do you program?
[12:21:37] <dioz> archivist:
[12:21:52] <archivist> what
[12:22:15] <dioz> archivist: did you make those tiny tinwares from scratch?
[12:22:44] <dioz> where did you get your ultrasonic solderer?
[12:22:44] <archivist> yes
[12:23:19] <archivist> plain ordinary 60 40 solder
[12:23:30] <dioz> oh i thought you said it was cold solder
[12:23:40] <archivist> no
[12:24:19] <dioz> archivist: what kind of material did you use? aluminium?
[12:24:39] <archivist> biscuit tin
[12:24:48] <Tom_L> not if he used 60/40 solder...
[12:26:00] <archivist> you can even just about see the nabisco trademark on one of the watering cans
[12:26:15] <dioz> archivist: did you roll wire in your wired edges? how did you do your hindges?
[12:26:18] <dioz> hinges ?
[12:28:10] <archivist> the wired edge is a bit of cheat, soldered some tinned copper wire around the edge, the hinges just effort in rolling to a circle like the real thing
[12:29:43] <archivist> some are best part of 20-30 years old now so paint beginning to look a bit tatty
[12:33:03] <IchGucksLive> hi
[12:33:15] <pink_vampire> hi
[12:33:57] <IchGucksLive> ;-=
[12:37:14] <pink_vampire> do you remember the what was the path the the folder that we open with sudo?
[12:37:20] <pink_vampire> IchGucksLive:
[12:38:29] <miss0r> JT-Shop: I program Omron and Allen Bradley
[12:38:46] <IchGucksLive> its the ngc_lib
[12:38:51] <miss0r> I have to run. see you around
[12:39:06] <pink_vampire> i have very weird problem, on live cd linux cnc read the .axisrc, but on the installed it not working
[12:39:23] <pink_vampire> maybe it missing?
[12:39:39] <archivist> or you put it in the wrong place
[12:40:45] <IchGucksLive> open the sim axis ngcgui pyngcgui mashine then it is there
[12:40:52] <IchGucksLive> where it is supposed to be
[12:42:11] <pink_vampire> i want to upload a zip of my linuxcnc
[12:42:54] <IchGucksLive> why
[12:43:10] <IchGucksLive> you get a mess up on your system
[12:43:15] <IchGucksLive> so dont foul others
[12:43:51] <pink_vampire> i want you too look at the my linux cnc folder
[12:44:10] <archivist> pink_vampire, this is open source, with volunteers, there is a limit
[12:50:59] <linux_vampire> this is a tree display of "/home/berta/linuxcnc" http://paste.debian.net/894390/
[12:51:17] <IchGucksLive> archivist its a miss at his mashine he is on 4 cores wrong OS and a setup to cry
[12:51:48] <DaViruz> gregcnc: thanks for the drawings. i forget - did you end up using the ebay F1 pull studs?
[12:51:51] <linux_vampire> IchGucksLive, on the live cd it's work fine.
[12:52:07] <IchGucksLive> thats why the livcd is there
[12:52:47] <gregcnc> DaViruz no, the F1 studs are too long. I'll be making them
[12:53:11] <DaViruz> scary!
[12:53:16] <pink_vampire> my issue now it so make the .axisrc working on the installed os
[12:53:26] <pink_vampire> on the live cd it work fine
[12:54:35] <IchGucksLive> i will not longer help you as you come out to plan not ruled things
[12:55:59] <pink_vampire> I'm not sure wat do you mean.
[12:56:20] <IchGucksLive> if you want to help others
[12:56:37] <IchGucksLive> you first need to get ahead of your mess
[12:57:02] <IchGucksLive> even with no Real mahine on hand its more then a mess
[12:57:12] <IchGucksLive> make youtube helpers
[12:57:21] <pink_vampire> this is why post a tree display of my files in the folders.
[12:58:23] <IchGucksLive> the macros are not suposed to be in the ini folder
[12:59:25] <pink_vampire> what is the correct path for it?
[12:59:35] <JT-Shop> what is it?
[13:00:11] <IchGucksLive> pink_vampire: there is even no UI glade on the system so how that shout work
[13:00:16] <IchGucksLive> a mess all over
[13:00:25] <IchGucksLive> you got a good running system
[13:00:35] <IchGucksLive> and totaly messed the whole pc
[13:01:06] <pink_vampire> to re install everything?
[13:02:55] <IchGucksLive> its a 20min thing to get a good lcnc on a system
[13:03:06] <IchGucksLive> no need to clone or DD
[13:03:31] <IchGucksLive> and all the files are in a real state
[13:05:14] <archivist> reinstall is never the right answer, diagnosis is the only way
[13:05:48] <archivist> a large dose of thinking
[13:07:04] <archivist> asking clear questions with the correct detail
[13:12:02] <jthornton> well short of a hard drive failure
[13:13:43] <archivist> I am getting a wild random pm
[13:14:21] <archivist> and not from NY area
[13:20:43] <jthornton> pm on the IRC?
[13:20:44] <IchGucksLive> 30mio people using obama care never thought about that high number
[13:21:17] <IchGucksLive> jthornton: Querry called
[13:23:10] <IchGucksLive> 20.000 people demonstrating in NY and washington
[13:23:25] <IchGucksLive> how woudt that come out the oposit
[13:23:37] <IchGucksLive> hometown fighting
[13:25:20] <IchGucksLive> i think im gouing to make a tutorial on getting glade featuers like probe to work as pink also run in trouble
[13:25:58] <IchGucksLive> https://github.com/verser-git/probe_screen
[13:26:44] <IchGucksLive> but its also fast to make it in pyvcp probe_hole.ngc like
[13:27:26] <IchGucksLive> ok im off GN8
[13:50:05] <dioz> archivist: i'm gonna use soda cans i think
[13:50:08] <dioz> beer cans
[13:50:15] <dioz> i just picked up a soldering iron
[13:51:28] <dioz> rig up my little tree aligator clamps with rubber teefies instead
[13:52:17] <dioz> shrink wrap
[13:52:17] <archivist> modern drinks cans are very thin and often al
[13:52:34] <dioz> al
[13:54:07] <archivist> al does not solder nice at all
[13:57:15] <dioz> no?
[13:57:23] <dioz> we got these alumiweld rods
[13:57:27] <dioz> they seem to work alright
[13:57:52] <dioz> never tried them on soda cans though
[13:57:56] <dioz> pretty thin shit
[13:58:30] <archivist> they are drawn so thing that "no effin chance" comes to mind
[13:58:35] <archivist> thin
[13:59:03] <dioz> i feel you
[13:59:15] <JT-Shop> my brother used to tig beer cans together when he was bored
[13:59:44] <archivist> there was an article in Scentific american in the 1970's about that deep drawing, when it was first developed
[14:00:19] <dioz> you ever seen guys weld soda cans end to end?
[14:00:20] <dioz> tig weld
[14:00:22] <dioz> obv.
[14:09:07] <roycroft> welding soda cans together is relatively easy
[14:09:18] <roycroft> a good welder can weld razor blades together
[14:09:24] <JT-Shop> depends on your eyes and coordination
[14:09:43] <roycroft> fortunately, my sanitary welder can weld razor blades together
[14:09:53] <JT-Shop> yea easy for a good welder lol
[14:09:59] <roycroft> i said "relatively"
[14:14:35] <gregcnc> the guys that sell those aluminum solder stick make it look like working with pop cans is cake
[14:14:47] <nubcake> wat?
[14:14:56] <nubcake> ^^
[14:21:09] <dioz> gregcnc: yah
[14:21:23] <dioz> fuck am i ^
[14:21:39] <dioz> i made canibutter last night cause the GF is straight edge
[14:21:43] <dioz> and i'm gonan make her brownies
[14:21:46] <dioz> unknowingly
[14:21:57] <dioz> thought i'd try some out
[14:22:04] <dioz> buzzin
[14:25:02] <gregcnc> i've used the AL solder sticks the trick is getting the parts up to temp without melting it or the solder before it's ready
[14:25:06] <gregcnc> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtvOkI_pvMI
[14:25:48] <dioz> gregcnc: when welding thicker gauge aluminium don't you typically warm the material first?
[14:25:58] <dioz> then put down your filler
[14:26:05] <dioz> but you typically wanna warm the whole piece first
[14:26:06] <dioz> i thought
[14:26:24] <gregcnc> I don't weld, but I'm sure that makes life easier and reduces stress after welding
[14:30:45] <gregcnc> The dark corner here was some of that aluminum solder / brazing stick after clean up. https://goo.gl/fm81XX the thread is M2.6
[14:31:55] <miss0r> archivist: you around?
[14:32:11] <dioz> 14:03 [freenode] -!- idle : 0 days 0 hours 19 mins 53 secs [signon: Wed Oct 26 06:54:31 2016]
[14:32:16] <dioz> he was answering me earlier
[14:32:22] <dioz> she
[14:32:23] <dioz> w/e
[14:32:36] <JT-Shop> miss0r: I program Allen Bradley, Automation Direct and Panasonic PLC's
[14:32:48] <dioz> "excuse me did you just assume my gender?"
[14:32:50] <miss0r> dioz: thanks
[14:33:11] <miss0r> JT-Shop: sweet. I must admit to preferring Allen Bradley over most of what I have programmed
[14:33:53] <miss0r> But the second this small shop here can support my living, i'm quitting my job and working in here full time
[14:33:56] <JT-Shop> they are terribly expensive compared to Automation Direct
[14:34:13] <JT-Shop> just depends on the machine and the task at hand
[14:34:15] <miss0r> JT-Shop: I don't have experience with Automation Direct
[14:34:49] <JT-Shop> the Click series is perfect to small projects and the software is free
[14:35:03] <JT-Shop> I put one in a lumber dip tank the other day
[14:35:08] <miss0r> There I use a brand called moller PLC
[14:35:52] <JT-Shop> I have a quote out on a machine that I'll use compact logix with Ethernet going to most things on the machine
[14:35:56] <miss0r> Free software. and you can program them on screen/change parameters without a PC. theoretically theres no limit to the program you can do directly on it. it is quite time consuming thou
[14:36:00] <JT-Shop> so easy to wire it that way
[14:36:16] <miss0r> That is true.
[14:36:19] <JT-Shop> that's pretty cool no PC needed\
[14:36:26] <miss0r> What model are you planning to use?
[14:37:44] <miss0r> I do stuff like this: http://picpaste.com/DSC_0036-szmKWMOY.JPG <- that being a small/medium build. but it is one of the bigger stand-alone units
[14:38:27] <JT-Shop> neat cabinet!
[14:38:40] <miss0r> what do you mean neat?
[14:38:51] <JT-Shop> I go in the factories and all the covers are off and wires going everywhere lol
[14:39:10] <JT-Shop> very clean and organized
[14:39:14] <miss0r> Well, this picture was taken just before shipping it off.
[14:39:26] <miss0r> so, noone but me had their hands in it yet
[14:41:19] <miss0r> I mostly do on-site repair and support. We have a big client (Dansteel) they take in steel slabs and roll them flat. all the electrical stuff there is just SMUDGED in ferrite powder and stuff like that. the place is horiffic. no wonder stuff stops working from time to time. Most of the electrical are from the '60. and we make alot of money performing CPR on a daily basis :)
[14:41:56] <miss0r> CPR on the electrical equipment, that is :)
[14:43:37] <miss0r> And I must admit, I get alot of satisfaction from mending old electrical equipment. But the thought of being my own boss in my own shop realy speaks to me. IF I manage to quadropel my earnings in this shop next year, I can live confortably doing nothing but this :)
[14:43:57] <JT-Shop> finally found the quote lol 1769L24
[14:44:36] <JT-Shop> yea troubleshooting is nice when you figure it out you get a big grin
[14:45:12] <miss0r> that is a pretty good one in my opinion. I must have installed 20+ of thoes last yeah, in sewage suveilance boxes.
[14:45:56] <miss0r> and a few for some hydraulic valve controllers. Its just a good all'round PLC.
[14:46:18] <pink_vampire> miss0r: the cabinet that you show look the same idea as my panel
[14:46:36] <miss0r> pink_vampire: what panel ? :)
[14:47:39] <pink_vampire> miss0r: my unfinished control panel http://i.imgur.com/bHwwIf5.png
[14:47:49] <miss0r> JT-Shop: The only thing I don't like about this series is also the thing I love. The I/O are so compact, I do enjoy that. but in doing so they left no room for wire terminals (https://www.elvvs.dk/images/articles/big/21398.big.jpg) <- I don't know the english word for it
[14:48:30] <JT-Shop> ferrules
[14:48:39] <JT-Shop> I use them all the time
[14:48:44] <miss0r> pink_vampire: somewhat, yeah. But I think what the two pictures have in common, are what most boxes like that have in common.
[14:49:00] <miss0r> JT-Shop: You have to, unless you are a slob :)
[14:49:18] <JT-Shop> yea you gotta keep the wire size small enough and double crimp to get them in some terminals but I love using them
[14:50:00] <pink_vampire> no
[14:50:22] <JT-Shop> I see so many integrators work that use 16gauge wire for controls and PLC and I wonder what they are thinking using such big wire
[14:50:31] <miss0r> JT-Shop: Its only on rare ocations I use anything smaller than 0.75mm^2 ~ 18AWG.
[14:51:10] <pink_vampire> you MUST use the correct ferrules to the cable, otherwise it can arc.
[14:51:13] <JT-Shop> yea 18 gauge is a nice size and what I like to use
[14:51:30] <pink_vampire> i'm using 14 awg
[14:51:55] <miss0r> but if you get the standard length one, with the collar on it, it won't get a proper grip in thoes spring terminals on the L24
[14:52:07] <dioz> gregcnc: arc weld some aluminium
[14:52:25] <dioz> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UY7KAnJGYwY
[14:52:54] <miss0r> JT-Shop: I have a spare moller PLC laying around. I'll write you the brand/number, so you can look it up, should it come in handy. 2 sec
[14:54:17] <miss0r> JT-Shop: its a moeller easy412-dc-rc. heh, I have two L24 and 3 MicroLogix1100 laying around as well.
[14:56:03] <miss0r> The reason I love the micrologix1100 is it takes 230vdc direct(phase +zero here in denmark), also - you can do 10khz PWM on the outputs. I don't know if the L24 can do that on the output.
[14:56:45] <JT-Shop> I've seen some of the easy412's before
[14:57:29] <miss0r> I don't come by them in the industry anymore, but I do have a few in my house doing strange stuff with the lighting ;)
[14:57:44] <JT-Shop> I use this Click often https://www.automationdirect.com/adc/Shopping/Catalog/Programmable_Controllers/CLICK_Series_PLCs_(Stackable_Micro_Brick)/PLC_Units/C0-00AR-D
[14:58:33] <miss0r> wow, that is cheap for 8 DI and 6 relay out :o
[14:58:45] <JT-Shop> I even have a 500 and some 504's laying around and micrologix 1200 I think and a L24
[14:59:23] <miss0r> Sad to see it has become late here. I will catch you another time, I have to get some hours of sleep before the little one starts making noise again. see you around
[14:59:40] <JT-Shop> I need to get back to work see you later
[15:01:04] <JT-Shop> pink_vampire: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/config/integrator-concepts.html
[15:01:19] <JT-Shop> I added some info to the docs after seeing your directory...
[15:07:07] <pink_vampire> JT-Shop: thank youuu
[15:07:23] <pink_vampire> i'm going to read it now
[15:18:57] <MacGalempsy> wow. there us an allen grub screw on this encoder that is smaller than any of the sizes i have :(
[15:21:23] <pink_vampire> everything is now working perfect
[15:22:02] <pink_vampire> now i want add a button that will use mdi commands
[15:22:43] <pink_vampire> but i'm not sure it can work for multiple lines per single mdi command
[15:31:22] <JT-Shop> the mdi can call a subroutine
[15:32:08] <JT-Shop> any command you can do in the MDI window is valid http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/config/ini-config.html#_halui_section
[15:33:36] * JT-Shop goes out to the new shop to hang light fixtures
[15:37:43] <pink_vampire> I'm still trying to figure-out how to connect the button to "something"
[15:56:34] <andypugh> I wonder if this would work for pick-and-place or drilling machines too? https://forum.linuxcnc.org/38-general-linuxcnc-questions/31804-cnc-tube-bender-based-on-linuxcnc-ideas?start=10#82686
[16:03:36] <JT-Shop> pink_vampire: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/gui/pyvcp-examples.html#_jog_buttons
[16:04:45] <pink_vampire> let ne ss
[16:04:54] <pink_vampire> let me see*
[16:06:53] <andypugh> I still think that GladeVCP is probably easier and more pointy-clicky
[16:08:05] <andypugh> JT-Shop: That link I just posted is for the tube-bender. I think it would probably even work as-is if connected to hardware.
[16:15:12] <Deejay> gn8
[16:20:34] <JT-Shop> andypugh: pretty neat
[16:21:10] * JT-Shop wonders if he could put his bolt hole CAM in a touchy tab?
[16:21:29] <JT-Shop> meanwhile back to the new shop to hang light fixtures
[16:22:46] <nubcake> n8 everyone
[17:12:35] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: like flange bolt holes? I thought it was already there
[18:00:59] <JT-Shop> what is "it"?
[18:11:21] <tiwake> http://reason.com/blog/2016/11/10/colleges-cancelled-exams-for-students-tr
[18:27:37] <zeeshan> anyone here mill something out of aluminum on a 3 axis that needed a reach of 3.5" with a ball nose cutter
[18:27:43] <zeeshan> for profiling
[18:28:16] <cradek> that's pretty long...
[18:28:19] <zeeshan> yes
[18:28:29] <cradek> for larger diameters and with patience should be ok?
[18:28:33] <zeeshan> no
[18:28:37] <zeeshan> i need to machine at around 500 ipm
[18:28:50] <tiwake> why?
[18:28:54] <cradek> what diameter tool?
[18:28:54] <zeeshan> im using adaptive to get to 3.75"
[18:29:08] <zeeshan> which leaves a 0.020" step for the ball nose to clean
[18:29:15] <zeeshan> so the ball nose isn't really seeing much load
[18:29:17] <cradek> if nothing else you'll need an extremely fast spindle and well-balanced tooling
[18:29:19] <zeeshan> im thinking of using 3/4"
[18:29:23] <zeeshan> yes
[18:29:25] <zeeshan> its for work
[18:29:26] <zeeshan> not my machine
[18:29:31] <zeeshan> its a mazak
[18:29:33] <zeeshan> new one
[18:29:43] <zeeshan> its a really rigid machine
[18:29:48] <cradek> you'll probably just have to try it...
[18:29:57] <zeeshan> ive been trying to find elastic modulus for carbide
[18:30:00] <zeeshan> but can you believe it?
[18:30:03] <zeeshan> it doesnt exist!
[18:30:13] <zeeshan> if i knew it, i could find out how much deflection is acceptable
[18:30:36] <zeeshan> the other thing i cant find is an extended ball nose cutter
[18:30:41] <cradek> eh, call it 1/3 of hss
[18:30:42] <zeeshan> i can find it in flat end mill form
[18:30:49] <tiwake> zeeshan: http://www.techniksusa.com/metal/CAT40_SF_inchext.htm
[18:30:51] <zeeshan> (imco)
[18:31:09] <zeeshan> hmm
[18:31:18] <tiwake> sweat fit tool holder
[18:31:37] <tiwake> do it
[18:31:45] <zeeshan> im trying to imagine something
[18:31:57] <zeeshan> do i really need 3 1/2" deep if i use a holder like that..
[18:31:57] <MacGalempsy_> does anyone pride themselves on finding connectors? Looking for a 3M 10position 3000 series socket, wire-to-wire. There is one on the machine, but I need another one for this new encoder.
[18:32:03] <tiwake> (I just did a random search, pick your favorite company)
[18:32:40] <zeeshan> what im basically machining
[18:32:50] <zeeshan> is a 6 3/4" mandrel bend shape
[18:32:58] <zeeshan> iit looks like a 90 degree elbow
[18:33:04] <tiwake> zeeshan: most likely not, could choke up a fair bit... but I'm not sure what you are profiling... there are lots of different variations of those sweat fit tool holders for stuff like what you are trying to do
[18:33:36] <malcom2073_> MacGalempsy_: http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/Interconnect/Home/Products/ProductCat/~/3M-Four-Wall-Header-3000-Series?N=8705143+3293481906&rt=rud
[18:33:38] <malcom2073_> Like that?
[18:33:44] <malcom2073_> If so, standard 10pin header connector will work
[18:33:44] <zeeshan> thanks tiwake
[18:33:46] <zeeshan> ill look into this
[18:34:06] <tiwake> zeeshan: sweat fit tool holders are so sexy
[18:34:14] <zeeshan> you mean shrink fit?
[18:34:23] <tiwake> same thing
[18:34:33] <zeeshan> never heard the term sweat fit
[18:34:39] <zeeshan> how does that work :D
[18:34:43] <tiwake> heat up the tool holder, slip it in, let cool down
[18:35:18] <tiwake> I'm not sure if they tell you to put the tool in the freezer or not
[18:35:23] <MacGalempsy_> malcom2073_: that link did not work for me
[18:35:50] <malcom2073_> MacGalempsy_: http://multimedia.3m.com/mws/media/140475P/3mtm-100-in-4-wall-header-ts0478.jpg?boundedSize=310
[18:36:01] <tiwake> zeeshan: from what I understand about them, you can't replace the tool, once the two are mated and the tool wears out or breaks, you replace the whole thing
[18:36:08] <malcom2073_> Link worked for me when I closed/reopened it, dunno what's wrong with you :-P
[18:36:14] <zeeshan> that sounds expensive!
[18:36:17] <tiwake> yeah
[18:36:26] <zeeshan> are you sure about that
[18:36:30] <tiwake> but thats what I've heard, I have never used them before
[18:36:31] <zeeshan> cause the tooling guy used to install this
[18:36:33] <cradek> noooo
[18:36:33] <zeeshan> at a production place
[18:36:38] <zeeshan> he reused
[18:36:47] <tiwake> there might be other kinds too, donno
[18:37:39] <tiwake> like I said, look it up and pick out one thats right for you
[18:38:20] <MacGalempsy_> I think they are like this, but the male part http://www.alliedelec.com/3m-89110-0101/70115103/
[18:38:24] <cradek> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONaJvU801Ew
[18:38:41] <malcom2073_> Those aren't wire-to-wire, they're wire-to-board
[18:38:51] <tiwake> cradek: good link
[18:39:04] <tiwake> cradek: is the machine needed?
[18:39:24] <tiwake> no
[18:39:28] <zeeshan> nop
[18:39:31] <tiwake> they are induction heating it
[18:39:43] <cradek> you're probably not going to do well with a propane blowtorch
[18:39:49] <tiwake> neh
[18:39:57] <zeeshan> just put whole thing in oven
[18:39:58] <tiwake> stick it in the oven for controlled heat
[18:39:59] <zeeshan> :P
[18:40:00] <tiwake> yeah
[18:40:04] <MacGalempsy_> the deal is the encoder has that plug on it, and I need the opposite, which will connect to the wire that goes to the machine
[18:40:13] <zeeshan> this machine is fast tho
[18:40:23] <cradek> for what, an hour? and how will you ever get it back out?
[18:40:30] <malcom2073_> You can fudge something together with some soldering
[18:40:40] <zeeshan> cradek yep :P
[18:40:44] <zeeshan> youre only expanding 1 tho
[18:40:45] <malcom2073_> afaik, they don't make those in wire-to-wire
[18:40:48] <zeeshan> that only takes like 150c
[18:40:51] <zeeshan> thou
[18:40:52] <zeeshan> i think
[18:41:12] <malcom2073_> That encoder apparently was intended to plug directly into a board, and you're trying to extend the cable?
[18:41:18] <malcom2073_> Can you unplug it from the other side inside the encoder?
[18:41:21] <MacGalempsy_> There was one on a different cable
[18:41:53] <MacGalempsy_> I forget which one, anyways, the search continues
[18:42:46] <tiwake> cradek: wouldent steel expand a lot more than carbide at a given higher temp?
[18:42:51] <cradek> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMzJK6zJ3xY
[18:42:58] <cradek> this one shows a removal
[18:43:53] <malcom2073_> MacGalempsy_: http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/3M-Electronic-Solutions-Division/4610-6051/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMs%252bGHln7q6pm67xkeHW1IZNBRrx1euPpPs%3d
[18:43:55] <malcom2073_> I stand corrected
[18:44:03] <malcom2073_> they make them in ribbon cable crimp
[18:44:28] <tiwake> bad
[18:44:49] <tiwake> they are using pliers on a carbide cutting surface :-/
[18:45:06] <cradek> yeah that's pretty silly
[18:45:11] <cradek> must be scrap tooling
[18:45:23] <tiwake> for just demo recording?
[18:45:25] <MacGalempsy_> thats the ones Im looking for. thanks!
[18:45:26] <tiwake> maybe
[18:45:34] <MacGalempsy_> brb. checking the kiln temp
[18:45:51] <malcom2073_> Np
[20:01:09] <Tom_L> zeeshan, we used 8" ballnose on a blower hat once
[21:30:39] <kasious> i don't see the advantages of a shrink fit for tool holders
[21:31:36] <kasious> i mean for bushings and bearings sure but that seems a bit excessive right ?
[21:33:43] <kasious> i'm not a big machining guy but an end mill holder seems like it would be ideal
[21:35:44] <kasious> that's a bunch of i's
[21:40:44] <tiwake> http://pmnightlynews.com/index.php/2016/11/09/drunk-hillary/
[21:46:57] <pink_vampire> zlog:
[21:49:46] <pink_vampire> kasious: i'm wandering what will happen if the tool get hot during the cut.
[22:07:40] <rue_shop3> does ANYONE have a chart, of the rod diameter for threading dies
[22:08:02] <rue_shop3> aka, if I want a 5/16-24 thread on a rod, what side rod I need to have
[22:08:06] <rue_shop3> which is NOT 5/16
[22:08:17] <rue_shop3> cause that apparently would be over 100% thread
[22:08:22] <rue_shop3> chart, not formula, chart
[22:08:37] <rue_shop3> google is letting me down so dont tell me to google it
[22:10:41] <rue_shop3> <- FRUSTRATED
[22:12:18] <rue_shop3> I bought the wrong size threaded rod today, I want to work on my project and I cant cause I dont ahve the right rod
[22:12:23] <rue_shop3> the store isn't open now
[22:12:26] <Tom_L> machinery's handbook
[22:12:27] <Tom_L> sir
[22:12:30] <rue_shop3> its not open tommorw
[22:12:34] <rue_shop3> thats NOT helping
[22:12:44] <rue_shop3> and I dont think its open saturday
[22:12:49] <rue_shop3> and I'm pissed off
[22:13:12] <rue_shop3> I _just_ want to know what side rod to use to make 5/16 threaded rod
[22:13:19] <rue_shop3> its NOT 5/16
[22:14:13] <Tom_L> http://www.irwin.com/uploads/documents/53_2013_Taps_and_Dies_eBook.pdf
[22:15:13] <rue_shop3> that book does not have the right answer, alreayd tired to use the nunebrs
[22:16:09] <rue_shop3> I do not need to know what 5/16 is .3125, I need to know what size rod to use to make a 5/16" thread
[22:16:22] <rue_shop3> again, NOT .3125
[22:17:32] <Tom_L> http://www.hobby-machinist.com/threads/cutting-threads-depth-of-cut.37700/#post-322311
[22:17:40] <Tom_L> it's gonna make you log in...
[22:17:59] <rue_shop3> bugmenot
[22:22:47] <rue_shop3> the public user set dosn't work and it wont give me the captcha to make a login
[22:22:55] <rue_shop3> useless site, please try again
[22:24:19] <Tom_L> Some tap drill tables (such as this one) also list the major diameter as well as clearance hole sizes; for rod stock I'd select it to be within the range bounded by the major diameter and the close fit clearance diameter, but if it's slightly under the major diameter it should be OK.
[22:24:19] <Tom_L> According to that table, the major diameter for 10-24 threads is 0.1900in so the 0.1875in rod should work just fine.
[22:24:29] <Tom_L> link to chart is fubar'd
[22:24:55] <Tom_L> so use the major diameter and subtract a few .001's
[22:25:16] <rue_shop3> 5/16-24
[22:25:23] <rue_shop3> the rod size is NOT 5/16
[22:25:33] <Tom_L> i clearly heard you the first time
[22:25:44] <rue_shop3> I'm pissed
[22:26:03] <rue_shop3> if I'd just checked the pitch of the rod on the machine I'd have bought the right stuff today
[22:26:06] <rue_shop3> and I'd be fine
[22:26:16] <rue_shop3> its the ONLY thing I want to work on tonight
[22:26:35] <Tom_L> http://www.carbidedepot.com/formulas-tap-standard.htm
[22:26:47] <Tom_L> use the major diameter
[22:27:05] <Tom_L> less a little clearance
[22:28:24] <Tom_L> you should have a drill/tap chart hanging on the wall behind your lathe silly
[22:28:55] <Tom_L> .2854 would work
[22:55:59] <rue_shop3> I have a tap-drill chart, I dont have a bar stock threading chart