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[00:38:36] <miss0r> Godmorning
[00:49:48] <miss0r> looks like trump is winning :o
[01:35:00] <IchGucksLive> morniung
[01:35:22] <IchGucksLive> the world will change as Donald will bee the next US president
[01:35:39] <IchGucksLive> cool milling to all in the world
[01:35:53] <tiwake> I'm curious to see what he would do
[01:36:27] <IchGucksLive> im off
[01:36:31] <tiwake> an expensive test, for sure, but a lot cheaper than testing the same thing against hillary
[02:07:56] <kasious> hillary just smashed a glass against the wall
[02:35:32] <Deejay> moin
[05:11:08] <jthornton> morning
[05:11:53] <XXCoder> hey jt
[05:12:07] <Deejay> yo :)
[05:22:37] <jthornton> what's up this morning?
[05:22:55] <jthornton> my printer is screwing up the prints and I don't know what it is
[05:24:51] <XXCoder> whats it look like?
[05:25:01] <XXCoder> and how does it mess up
[05:26:41] <jthornton> kinda stringy and sticking out funny on one area the rest is perfect
[05:26:55] <jthornton> I'll have to get a close up photo of it
[05:27:11] <jthornton> did you see my 2020 outside wire clip?
[05:27:56] <XXCoder> I printed a bunch but is that new one or?
[05:30:06] <XXCoder> wow!
[05:30:08] <XXCoder> looks good
[05:30:27] <XXCoder> definitely will replace more bulky groupos with that
[05:31:26] <XXCoder> lovely designs
[05:32:23] <miss0r> how does one go about seeing this design?
[05:33:07] <jthornton> http://www.thingiverse.com/JT_Shop/designs
[05:33:38] <XXCoder> I am STILL waiting for damned resistors, so i still cant use inductor sensor
[05:34:25] <miss0r> does that fit some sort of generic aluminium extrution or something like that?
[05:34:46] <XXCoder> 2020 yeah
[05:35:30] <XXCoder> anyway jthornton my printer has issue too :( holes too small and features too big
[05:35:37] <XXCoder> still unable to figure how to fix that
[05:35:47] <miss0r> hehe. I sortof turned the blind eye to the '2020' part. everyone around here is writing/talking about the government '2020-plan'... so I just read over that :) Looking good. Nice and clean
[05:35:56] <XXCoder> lol
[05:36:32] <jthornton> thanks
[05:36:50] <jthornton> works much better than the ones that clip in the center
[05:36:58] <XXCoder> I see uses for both
[05:37:19] <miss0r> I wonder if I should get a 3D printer. I enjoy doing metal on the mill/lathe, but some projects - like the one you just did - makes more sense on a 3D-printer, no doubt
[05:37:35] <XXCoder> there is few stuff that cannot be made otherwise lol
[05:37:49] <XXCoder> rotating rings for one
[05:37:54] <XXCoder> good luck making that on lathe.
[05:38:36] <XXCoder> https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:320853
[05:38:58] <miss0r> yeah :) I could do that on a lathe + mill, if you'd accept the parts being weldedbolted together afterwards ;)
[05:39:11] <XXCoder> I dont see how>?
[05:39:15] <miss0r> welded/bolted*
[05:39:24] <XXCoder> it has 1 mm clearance between rings
[05:39:34] <XXCoder> and are curved more than 3 mm
[05:39:57] <miss0r> no problem. if I did each ring in two parts, and clamped them together with the smaller rings inside.
[05:40:23] <miss0r> I think it is doable
[05:40:44] <miss0r> but it also looks like something that would require alot of time and efford. :)
[05:40:57] <XXCoder> well weld em together, but then wouldnt it be too rough to smoothly rotate?
[05:41:30] <miss0r> hmm. I'm thinking spotwelding them on the outside, and grinding it smooth after welding
[05:41:44] <miss0r> or turning it down again, with the smaller ring/rings inside
[05:42:04] <jthornton> http://gnipsel.com/images/weld-table/
[05:42:04] <XXCoder> maybe if you made jig to run lathe smooth inside parts somehow
[05:42:14] <jthornton> almost finished up on the weld table
[05:42:27] <XXCoder> wow fancy
[05:42:34] <XXCoder> why very big hollow spaces?
[05:42:44] <jthornton> makes it rigid
[05:42:52] <miss0r> XXCoder: I wouldn't weld with enough heat to make a puddle on the inside... secondly I would probally not weld it. I would bolt it. I hate welding stuff that has to be acurate
[05:43:37] <XXCoder> what if challenge is final product must be whole parts (ie not bolted) but weld allowed as long as not visiable after
[05:43:40] <miss0r> jthornton wow nice
[05:43:45] <XXCoder> ahh I see. nice
[05:44:16] <jthornton> then it's the how to get the egg into the bottle without breaking the shell trick
[05:44:32] <miss0r> it has alot of strength but is defenetly alot lighter than the one I used to have wich was 1 1/4 inch steel plate :)
[05:44:58] <XXCoder> jt hard to get 3 mm difference, and bigger just means bigger difference to get it in
[05:45:14] <XXCoder> inner must be very cold and outside very cold
[05:45:19] <XXCoder> and might not be enough anyway
[05:45:36] <XXCoder> err very hot
[05:45:42] <miss0r> jthornton is it your own design or is it a kit of sorts you bought?
[05:45:53] <XXCoder> kit. i have same kit lol
[05:46:04] <jthornton> certiflat from tab and slot
[05:46:07] <XXCoder> his and mine looks very different now, different upgrades and so on
[05:46:18] <XXCoder> ah that weld bed nm dunno lol
[05:46:23] <jthornton> the weld table or the printer?
[05:46:39] <jthornton> http://gnipsel.com/images/prusa-i3-clone/
[05:46:59] <miss0r> defenetly nice. I've always wanted one of thoes german made welding tables. 30mm steel plate, with bored holes in it, that you can just stick a vise in, and the friction will lock it in place
[05:48:13] <miss0r> I enjoy seing something as fragile like a 3D printer, with heavy duty chains hanging in the background. it seems out'a place :)
[05:49:22] <miss0r> perhaps one of you can 3D print me a mouse trap that whacks the mouse, and not just my fingers while placing it
[05:50:57] <archivist> the mouse traps I use are ok, you can press to set when placed
[05:51:15] <jthornton> the chains are one of the 3T chain hoists on my gantry crane
[05:51:15] <miss0r> electrical?
[05:51:29] <miss0r> archivist ^
[05:51:32] <XXCoder> just dont use cheese. rub thin coating of peanut butter over the kill pad
[05:51:39] <jthornton> anyone remember the Frank Burns mouse trap
[05:51:45] <archivist> spring traps
[05:51:57] <XXCoder> I love the ones that have fake cheese trigger. not because iot looks like cheese, but because it has holes I can fill with peanut butter
[05:52:02] <archivist> chocolate too
[05:52:04] <miss0r> I used some called 'lever postej'. the same consistency, but made from pigs lever
[05:52:05] <XXCoder> and its almost impossible to eat
[05:52:17] <XXCoder> I once killed 6 mouse with same peanut butter
[05:52:27] <archivist> and bread
[05:52:42] <miss0r> nice. This is the 3rd mouse I have running amok in my shop attic this year
[05:52:48] <XXCoder> nah peanut butter, thin coating. almost impossible to eat
[05:53:21] <XXCoder> https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81lRuU70vaL._SL1500_.jpg
[05:53:24] <XXCoder> my favorite
[05:53:32] <XXCoder> see all those holes
[05:54:06] <miss0r> the ones I have is a very small metal kill-pad, with a small indent in it, for the food
[05:54:08] <archivist> at my last job at the clockworks
http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=mouse+pd
[05:54:34] <_methods> anyone in another country have an extra room i can use for 4 years
[05:54:42] <XXCoder> or 8
[05:54:53] <archivist> bottom pic middle
[05:55:02] <miss0r> _methods: I have a guest bedroom - bring bacon
[05:55:07] <_methods> i'm on my way
[05:55:15] * _methods has bacon
[05:55:15] <XXCoder> hi mousy
[05:55:37] <linux_vampire> hi
[05:55:41] <_methods> i'll clean up your metal chips
[05:55:50] <_methods> and do dishes
[05:55:55] <XXCoder> I'd say only 4 years but then I recently lost bunch of faith on americans
[05:56:20] <miss0r> _methods: go on :) hehe. I'm not sure you want to be here either. We are pretty sure to be hit by nuclear fallout once the war starts
[05:56:32] <_methods> heheh
[05:56:53] <_methods> after all the world markets collapse no one will be able to afford the rocket fuel for the nukes so i think you're safe
[05:58:09] <miss0r> also, I am totally prepped up for a nuclear war... I have atleast 2 gallons of water stored :P
[05:58:31] <_methods> lead underwear and 2 gallons of water lol
[05:58:36] <miss0r> and as long as theres still power in the grid, I have some good beef in the freezer :)
[05:58:57] <miss0r> _methods: not lead, just standard steel chastity belt - wifes orders :-/ *sigh*
[05:59:11] <_methods> heheh
[06:00:20] <miss0r> meh. bbl
[06:17:11] <gonzo_> you have a while. It will take trump weeks to re-target all the misslies at mexico
[06:17:51] <XXCoder> probably attack canada first
[06:21:20] <_methods> those damn snow mexicans
[06:23:17] <XXCoder> theyre fine. its moose we gonna watch out
[06:30:42] <miss0r> damnit! my mill is nodding 0.002" over 12". I have it trammed in the X-direction within 0.00015" over 24". But as far as I can tell on this mill, my only option for tramming in the Y-direction would be shimming it seems
[06:31:23] <miss0r> And I have no idea what I am doing in that case
[06:31:40] <archivist> or metal scraping
[06:32:04] <miss0r> atleast I have 'some' experience doing that
[06:32:11] <archivist> is it just badly adjusted gibs thus drooping
[06:32:14] <miss0r> but it is alot to take out
[06:32:48] <miss0r> and if it comes from wear, which it probally does, it wont be consistent. The only right way to go, would be to scrape in the ways :-/
[06:32:49] <archivist> knee mill vertical gibs
[06:33:38] <miss0r> perhaps. But this mill is with the 'ram' design.
[06:33:58] <miss0r> so it could could also be with the ram gibs
[06:34:38] <archivist> some have knee and ram, cannot remember which yours is
[06:35:15] <miss0r> both :)
https://www.google.dk/search?q=maho+500c&rlz=1C1AOHY_daDK708DK708&tbm=isch&imgil=JTs5-r9swKViCM%253A%253BW5UDpeyWL2yayM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.practicalmachinist.com%25252Fvb%25252Fdmg-mori-gildemeister-maho-cnc%25252Fphilips-432-sw-version-diagnostics-maho-mh500c-180683%25252F&source=iu&pf=m&fir=JTs5-r9swKViCM%253A%252CW5UDpeyWL2yayM%252C_&usg=__CLOt_ixqlJc3ViE7IK2qvZ-nsk8%3D&biw=1440&bih=809&ved=0ahUKEwjf7Mi10ZvQAhWJ2CwKHUN
[06:35:15] <miss0r> i=TBEjWN-WEYmxswHDmLWoBQ#imgrc=JTs5-r9swKViCM%3A
[06:35:23] <miss0r> damn... 2 secs, i'll get a better link
[06:35:25] <jthornton> figured out my seed starting problem in the basement, grow lights were too far away from the seedlings
[06:35:30] <miss0r> http://www.akkstroje.cz/getfile/images-a/100465-1/frezky-cnc-mh-500c-100465-1.jpg
[06:35:31] <miss0r> there we go
[06:36:06] <jthornton> I hate how google makes those huge links when you copy them
[06:36:26] <miss0r> yeah, took me by surprise thou :)
[06:36:54] <jthornton> the table moves up and down for Z?
[06:37:20] <miss0r> yeah
[06:38:02] <archivist> is it fully universal, tilting table.....did you ajust it right
[06:38:02] <miss0r> with remarkable strength. It can a handle 300kg workpeice. and the construction itself is very heavy
[06:38:42] <miss0r> tilting table? :S Not that I am aware of
[06:39:25] <archivist> get looking :)
[06:40:09] <archivist> the angle bracket can be a double rotating thing
[06:40:50] <miss0r> its a fixed unit
[06:40:58] <XXCoder> http://www.collectionservice.info/article/740658258/diy-heat-recovery-ventilation-heat-exchanger-for-our-yurt-how-to-resolve-damp-and-mould-in-a-yurt-/
[06:41:06] <XXCoder> btw if you want fresh air but less heat waste
[06:42:24] <archivist> I have no heat to save, effin cold indoors
[06:42:49] <XXCoder> 70c here
[06:42:54] <XXCoder> err f
[06:43:00] <XXCoder> 21c or so
[06:43:20] <miss0r> my shot sits confortably at 20c :)
[06:43:28] <miss0r> shop*
[06:43:37] <jthornton> 8c here this morning
[06:43:49] <miss0r> but I have no fresh air system, and i'm a smoker... so the air quality sometimes sucks
[06:44:22] <jthornton> I need to install a smoke sucker for when I weld
[06:44:45] <XXCoder> jthornton: wonder where all those signs get thrown away at lol
[06:44:49] <XXCoder> I wanna grab a few
[06:44:53] <XXCoder> make air exchange
[06:45:28] <gonzo_> they are not thrown away, The natural disposal method id theft by students
[06:45:32] <jthornton> just go down the highway and snatch them up all those ads you see at least out here
[06:45:42] <XXCoder> lol ok
[06:46:43] <miss0r> archivist: browsing the maho manual, it seems only the rotary table is equipped with a y-axis tram ajustment.
[06:46:53] <miss0r> (manual is german only)
[06:47:59] <archivist> is there a lock for the vertical gibs under the table, tighten re measure
[06:48:47] <miss0r> If I have to access them(which I probally will do soon, if not tonight) I have to take off alot of sheilding.
[06:49:09] <archivist> lock is usually easy to get at
[06:49:50] <miss0r> yeah. no 'locks' around
[06:54:46] <tiwake> heh
[06:54:49] <tiwake> _methods: poke
[06:55:01] <linux_vampire> i see this guide about buttons with pcvcp
http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.4/html/hal_pyvcp.html#r1_6_3 but i can't understand how to connect them to g-code commands
[06:58:35] <jthornton> look in the configuration section halui for mdi commands
[07:09:27] <linux_vampire> why the homing button on the x axis reset the x axis to -5 instead of 0?
[07:13:53] <_methods> tiwake: hey
[07:14:27] <tiwake> _methods: I called home last night when oregon results were just starting to roll in, my mom picked up the phone
[07:14:35] <tiwake> "screw oregon -- that is all"
[07:14:42] <_methods> why?
[07:14:53] <tiwake> heh
[07:15:44] <tiwake> _methods: its amazing how many votes hillary got to begin with, when really she should be in jail or shot
[07:15:59] <_methods> oh
[07:16:16] <_methods> well the pacific northwest is predictably liberal
[07:16:17] <XXCoder> too much faux
[07:16:36] <tiwake> and then you have large places like oregon loving her
[07:16:53] <tiwake> so yeah, I called home to remind them why I left
[07:17:08] <tiwake> and asked when they were going to move to my area
[07:20:27] <jthornton> linux_vampire:
http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/user/user-concepts.html#_when_you_8217_re_lost
[07:21:20] <linux_vampire> let me see
[07:22:47] <linux_vampire> I think It solved the problem
[07:33:47] <tiwake> _methods: lol... so many people have their panties all twisted in knots
[07:34:17] <tiwake> "and women will die because they will no longer have access to healthcare at planned parenthood"
[07:34:23] * tiwake face palms
[07:35:09] <XXCoder> welcome to 1916
[07:36:05] <_methods> i got front row seats to watch rome burn
[07:36:12] <_methods> i'll hand trump some matches
[07:36:33] <_methods> see if the dax lunchtime rally collapses
[07:36:59] <tiwake> I would not mind seeing russia burn
[07:37:13] <_methods> they're our new allies wtf you talkin about
[07:37:15] <tiwake> though they are not too interesting yet
[07:37:24] <Jymmm> In most states, it was the "Metro" areas that voted for hilary
https://www.google.com/search?q=presidential+election#eob=enn/p/nv/0/0///////////
[07:39:33] <tiwake> not lubbock texas <3
[07:39:54] <Jymmm> never heard of it
[07:40:03] <Polymorphism> God Bless America
[07:40:09] <Polymorphism> what a day to be alive
[07:40:32] <miss0r> hehehe. with the canadian immigration website down, you have no where to run :)
[07:40:33] <tiwake> Jymmm: cotton country... lubbock is in the middle of the largest cotton field in the world
[07:40:41] <tiwake> miss0r: ha
[07:41:13] <Jymmm> tiwake: So BFE, not a metro =)
[07:41:23] <miss0r> and with the soon to be laws regarding the mexican border, that would be a bad place to run. I don't think you'd come back :)
[07:41:48] <tiwake> Jymmm: 350k people... biggest city I've ever lived in
[07:44:55] <Jymmm> tiwake: 1M in a single city alone, excluding surrounding cities. Popilation density of 9400 people per square mile compared to national avg of 1600 per square mile.
[07:45:46] <tiwake> Jymmm: and typically vote democrat because life is ez, so lets make it easier \o/
[07:46:17] <tiwake> by enacting more liberal/progressive standpoints
[07:46:32] <tiwake> everyone should have free money
[07:48:04] <tiwake> anyway, I gotta go to work, and you know, work.
[08:06:04] <Jymmm> jthornton:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJ_IBgFsjE0
[08:07:11] <gregcnc> that large an engine to run an alternator?
[08:08:10] <Jymmm> running on wood
[08:08:45] <gregcnc> great, but if electricity is the goal that's an inefficient way of doing it
[08:09:17] <gregcnc> at least start with a proper genset or welder
[08:09:31] <Jymmm> who said anything about electricity?
[08:09:50] <gregcnc> their description
[08:11:40] <gregcnc> what's the latest idea for heat?
[08:11:52] <Jymmm> Yes, and wood running an engine is a perfect science O_o
[08:12:40] <gregcnc> it could be, all you need is an ECU and O2 sensor
[08:12:59] <gregcnc> egines don't care what they burn only that the mixture is correct
[08:15:26] <Jymmm> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyVT_dlDNEA
[08:16:38] <gregcnc> weren't you involved with a woodgas generator company?
[08:18:48] <Jymmm> No, just looking at it's practical applications and trying to get a better understanding of the do's and don'ts
[08:19:35] <Jymmm> mostly just a better understanding =)
[08:19:40] <gregcnc> I must be mistaken, i thought you posted a photo of your gasified honda from several years ago
[08:20:31] <gregcnc> are you looking to generate power?
[08:20:35] <Jymmm> I did post a video of a wood powered honda, but I had just found it
[08:21:10] <Jymmm> heat
[08:21:21] <Jymmm> but in a different fashion
[08:21:43] <gregcnc> nuclear?
[08:22:50] <Jymmm> no, wood or maybe spent oil, but full combustion if posisble
[08:24:03] <Jymmm> I really liked the idea the mojave solar plant did by store energy in molten salt for when it was cloudy/night
[08:24:38] <gregcnc> did you look at masonry heaters?
[08:24:53] <gregcnc> like most solutions they take up space though
[08:24:54] <Jymmm> no clue
[08:25:13] <Jymmm> you mean like cement factory stuff?
[08:26:55] * jthornton went 3.5 miles on the elliptical in 30 minutes again
[08:27:36] <Jymmm> gregcnc: ok, found them
[08:28:23] <gregcnc> essentially the rocket stove of 100-200 years ago
[08:28:43] <jthornton> burn hot and fast and burn the flue gas store heat in water
[08:29:04] <gregcnc> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuZzgrNPq_k
[08:30:04] <Jymmm> Compressing wood gas into propane tanks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zygs9pb_zBw
[08:30:49] <gregcnc> i saw that. I think he's crazy
[08:31:45] <Jymmm> still looking at it. wheres the crazy part?
[08:31:54] <gregcnc> doing that
[08:32:03] <Jymmm> storing gas?
[08:34:15] <gregcnc> somewhat impractical, it's not liquid
[08:36:31] <Jymmm> compared to a wood stack?
[08:36:54] <Jymmm> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaJ_-xmtsXc
[08:39:15] <Jymmm> Nice woodgas vs propane comparison in that video
[08:43:39] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: you need a generator that runs on stupid, you'll have infinite power
[08:46:30] <gregcnc> 140btu/cubic foot for wood gas. so a #20 (.63ft^3) tank at 90 psi stores ~530BTU of wood gas, 20lb of propane is 432,000BTU
[08:49:26] <CaptHindsight> gasification of wood?
[08:49:34] <gregcnc> yes
[08:53:58] <CaptHindsight> keep the gas stored in the wood until needed
[08:54:13] <gregcnc> right that's the usual way
[08:54:20] <SpeedEvil> Or use a lot more than 90PSI
[08:55:13] <SpeedEvil> or possibly cryogenic
[08:55:38] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: haha, no shit huh... Do I just shove all the dumbasses in the firebox directly?
[08:56:01] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: no they line up themselves
[08:56:34] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Ah, gotcha. What flavor of kool-aid do I offer them?
[08:56:51] <CaptHindsight> the same they have been drinking for years
[08:56:57] <Jymmm> k
[08:57:24] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: is wood abundant for you?
[08:58:02] <Jymmm> gregcnc: But the ABILITY to store produced wood gas is a good thing. It's not always "practical" to have a monsteous wood gassifier on every vehicle
[08:58:20] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: heh, pretty much, I'm in a forest
[08:58:54] <gregcnc> but how far will it get you? maybe good for getting going before the gassier is up to temp
[08:58:54] <sync> wtf.
[08:59:12] <CaptHindsight> how do you use less energy to compress the gas than burning it to compress it?
[08:59:22] <Jymmm> gregcnc: It's an option, butter than not being able to at all.
[08:59:27] <Jymmm> better*
[08:59:46] <gregcnc> i didn't even look into how much energy it takes to compress
[09:00:08] <CaptHindsight> Gasified Geo Tracker
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljGWuWh-NS0
[09:00:29] <CaptHindsight> reminds me of the spoof on SCTV of soviet technology
[09:09:21] <CaptHindsight> http://forum.driveonwood.com/t/featured-project-dustin-moores-firebrick-gasifier/2009
[09:11:21] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Is that related to the video I posted earlier?
[09:12:11] <CaptHindsight> these are from the FEMA website
[09:12:51] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Oh. This is an interview, looks liek the same red truck
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyVT_dlDNEA
[09:13:18] <gonzo_> a ww2 system in the UK was to store town gas for vehicles, in a huge bag on the roof
[09:13:58] <Jymmm> gonzo_: Sounds like a geat idea, maybe use a blimp next time ;)
[09:14:20] <linux_vampire> for normally close probing i should invert the probe input?
[09:14:44] <CaptHindsight> giant bum
[09:14:49] <gonzo_> town gas (coal gas) is heavier than air I think. Running methane, and with a big enough bag......
[09:16:43] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: If I can heat the garage, and maybe the house, I'd love it. I'm just looking at what ppl are doing with gassification, no intensions of running a car off wood.
[09:18:35] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: I just bught a forced air propane heater yesterday for the garage, but that thing uses 5gal of propane on low for 14 hours, that's gonna kill me to run it all the time, but hopefully it'll get me thru till I can insulate the garage in a couple of months.
[09:19:14] <CaptHindsight> yeah, I noticed the specs
[09:19:39] <MacGalempsy> why not a kerosene heater Jymmm?
[09:19:50] <Jymmm> 30K btu on low, 60K on high, so 7 hours on one tank
[09:20:21] <Jymmm> MacGalempsy: I'm not going to add another fuel, already have propane and gasoline
[09:20:42] <Jymmm> MacGalempsy: and it reeks
[09:21:14] <MacGalempsy> i understand that. my pops ran one in his shop and it seemed to do well
[09:22:32] <Jymmm> Once (fully) insulated, I only need 9K BTU, which my little propane heater can do. Uninsulated I need 36K BTU.
[09:22:52] <Jymmm> per hour
[09:23:38] <CaptHindsight> BTU/hr
[09:23:54] <gonzo_> if using wood to heat a building, why not look at the rocket stove deigns
[09:24:07] <gonzo_> pretty efficient on fuel
[09:24:17] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: spray some insulation in and on it
[09:24:18] <Jymmm> gonzo_: I have
[09:24:51] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Insulation is pricy
[09:25:08] <gonzo_> cheaper than fuel
[09:25:28] <Jymmm> gonzo_: Great, can I borrow YOUR credit card?
[09:25:52] <gonzo_> and if you have lote of wood avail, prob preferable to insulate than the effort of collecting and priocessing excess wood
[09:26:32] <Jymmm> gonzo_: Again, can I borrow YOUR credit card?
[09:26:45] <gonzo_> my workshop in not gretaly insulated either. I keep warm by chopping wood!
[09:27:26] <Jymmm> Retail, it's $300 to insulate just the ceiling, $150 for the garage door itself, and I haven't even looked at the cost of doing the other three walls.
[09:28:09] <MacGalempsy> how about layered cardboard boxes?
[09:28:13] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: you should have picked a warmer climate :)
[09:28:33] <Jymmm> MacGalempsy: way too much of a fire hazard imo
[09:28:35] <MacGalempsy> yeah! what were u thinkin?
[09:29:12] <Jymmm> btw is "mineral wool" the same as "rock wool" ?
[09:29:30] <gonzo_> there was a gov incentive to get people to insulate roofs a whils ago. Cheap rock wool rolls. I used some recently to insulate a wall. Glued some battern and wired the stuff in place
[09:30:19] <gonzo_> mine was actually intended as sound deadenning, so no need to close it in. But prob does well as insulation too
[09:30:29] <CaptHindsight> http://inspectapedia.com/insulation/Rock_Wool_Insulation.php
[09:31:22] <MacGalempsy> close to any mica mines?
[09:32:12] <CaptHindsight> jthornton burns wood for heat and he's not jumping though any hoops
[09:33:10] <CaptHindsight> so burn baby burn and lets all work together on really great great things
[09:33:23] <gonzo_> I suspect we don't get the low temps you do
[09:33:29] <CaptHindsight> huge great things
[09:33:40] <gregcnc> uuuuge
[09:33:59] <gonzo_> and I just have a simple wood burner.
[09:35:04] <gregcnc> jymmm have you asked/looked around for any used wood stoves locally?
[09:35:32] <Jymmm> gonzo_: I really dont want a firebox IN the garage.
[09:35:45] <Jymmm> err gregcnc
[09:35:56] <CaptHindsight> we need to find Jymmm some high paying work
[09:36:54] <gonzo_> I have a homemade propane bottle one and a cast iron fire type. Both are fine to have and leave. The workshops are block built though
[09:36:55] <Jymmm> If I can heat the garage up enough to get the laser with it's 900CFM exhaust on it, I should be good for the winter =)
[09:37:21] <CaptHindsight> burn wood outside with large rocks covering the fire, move hot rocks from outside to inside
[09:37:49] <gregcnc> i can never remember if you live in BFE or total isolation
[09:37:53] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: or... copper coil outside around firebox, big ass radiator inside =)
[09:38:09] <CaptHindsight> copper cost $
[09:38:17] <Jymmm> gregcnc: 3000ft in the forest
[09:39:21] <gregcnc> 3000ft from town or 50 miles plus 3000ft?
[09:39:30] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Well, it be a one time investment and I'm okey with that. IT's the whole dont let branches fall on the 600F barrel that I have an issue with at the moment =)
[09:39:53] <Jymmm> gregcnc: 3000ft elevation
[09:40:50] <gonzo_> I have a water heater that was built as a silly project, propane bottle with heat pipes and used to sit on a propane burner. Thinking about a conversion to rocket stove. And thet can go outside, with a water radiator inside. For a friend with a wooden shed (and does woodwork, so a bit dusty)
[09:40:55] <Jymmm> Oh, anyone know a good source for those smaller metal barrels (smaller than 55gal) ?
[09:41:23] <Jymmm> I've looked everywhere and ppl say that are rare to find
[09:42:33] <gregcnc> i think 30 gallon is the next smallest
[09:42:48] <Jymmm> ok, yeah 30gal, but I can't find anyone.
[09:42:54] <Jymmm> any*
[09:43:07] <Jymmm> not even crap ones
[09:43:26] <Jymmm> what uses 30gal drums these days?
[09:44:23] <Jymmm> I can get 55gal food grade metal drums for $23, but nada for 30gal
[09:44:49] <Jymmm> even checked the junk/scrap yard
[09:46:27] <gregcnc> no idea 30 vs 55 maor is better?
[09:54:59] <MacGalempsy> 20 gal is synthetic oil at the quicky mart
[09:55:11] <MacGalempsy> quick lube
[09:55:50] <MacGalempsy> actually they may be 16gal
[09:55:53] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: new drums?
[09:56:15] <MacGalempsy> try a quick lube
[09:57:35] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm:
http://www.houseofcans.com/drums-ibcs/drums/new
[09:58:06] <CaptHindsight> 16, 20, 30 55gal
[09:58:57] <CaptHindsight> also try Uline
[09:59:34] <CaptHindsight> https://www.amazon.com/SKOLNIK-Carbon-Steel-Tight-gallons/dp/B006P5RPOI
[09:59:46] <CaptHindsight> $28 on amamzon
[10:06:33] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: heh, $24 shipping =)
[10:06:50] <CaptHindsight> still a bargain
[10:07:25] <Jymmm> can be used, as I'll just burn it out anyway.
[10:07:33] <Jymmm> butn off I mean
[10:08:30] <Jymmm> MacGalempsy: Yeah I will, but I think they have an underground used oil storage tank these days
[10:11:03] <MacGalempsy> Jymmm: you may call around and ask if they use mobil one synthetic
[10:11:29] <MacGalempsy> the place i went to had a stack of them
[10:11:41] <Jymmm> ah cool, will do
[10:23:11] <Jymmm> Someone is giving away 35 acres worth of irrigation hoses. If I was doing a solar hot water, I'd be in business =)
[10:23:36] <Demure_> Ok, setting up my mill and running in some silly issue: Everytime I move any axis towards it's limit (In this case, min-limit = +1 and max-limit = -100) it throws a "exceeded POSITIVE soft-limit on joint 1 (0.01000) error.
[10:23:40] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: sell it
[10:23:56] <Demure_> How come? I'd expect that beyond or against the +1, but not at +0.01000, which is mentioned nowhere in my ini and hal
[10:23:59] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: That's a LOT of hoses =)
[10:24:36] <CaptHindsight> cut them up in pieces, claim they have magic healing powers or similar
[10:25:17] <Jymmm> lol
[10:28:18] <gregcnc> demure are you using incremental or continuous jog
[10:28:27] <CaptHindsight> healin hose!
[10:29:24] <gregcnc> Demure_
[10:29:29] <Demure_> gregcnc: Continious
[10:30:54] <Demure_> Even if I move it very slowly towards the +1 limit it gives the error the moment it hits or passes 0.01000
[10:41:03] <gregcnc> Demure_ not sure
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[10:42:30] <cradek> Demure_: pastebin your ini file
[10:42:44] <Demure_> gregcnc: Will do later, right now sadly have to go. Thanks for the help.
[10:43:07] <gregcnc> pink_vampire "MIN_LIMIT = -1000 - The minimum limit for axis motion, in machine units. When this limit is reached, the controller aborts axis motion. The axis must be homed before MIN_LIMIT is in force. For a rotary axis with unlimited rotation having no MIN_LIMIT for that axis in the [AXIS_n] section then the value -1e99 is used."
[10:53:34] <nubcake> hi
[10:53:51] <MacGalempsy> hi
[10:54:14] <MacGalempsy> Demure. set min limit to 0
[11:07:46] <pink_vampire> gregcnc: i did it and it solved the issue
[11:08:21] <gregcnc> strange isn't it?
[11:09:04] <pink_vampire> a-bit
[11:09:27] <gregcnc> that the docs had a solution?
[11:10:16] <pink_vampire> now my main issue is with the probing
[11:14:44] <pink_vampire> i'm trying to add a button with mdi commands but i'm not sure how to to connect the button the the command, it look like i need to make M code per each button
[11:15:55] <pink_vampire> i'm correct?
[11:18:03] <MacGalempsy> a little action in the hood this morning, a fire dept. water truck, 3 cop cars, and a few other vehicles rolled up on a neoghbors house
[11:18:35] <MacGalempsy> best part was watching everyone try to turn around
[11:19:48] <MacGalempsy> the street is so narrow, a total nightmare of a dead end street
[11:25:45] <CaptHindsight> MacGalempsy: were they busting up a home school ring?
[11:29:57] <MacGalempsy> CaptHindsight: not sure. there is a car with a really loud exhaust that goes in and out of there.
[11:49:26] <MacGalempsy> its a small town, we'll know soon enough
[12:34:23] <pink_vampire> iv'e try to jog with the machine and then to move it back to 10 (g0 x10), the machine move just to 6.4, i try few several times and then i got that screen
[12:34:27] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/TSGAeIe.png
[12:35:28] <IchGucksLive> hi ;-)
[12:35:37] <pink_vampire> hi
[12:35:39] <pink_vampire> iv'e try to jog with the machine and then to move it back to 10 (g0 x10), the machine move just to 6.4, i try few several times and then i got that screen
[12:35:42] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/TSGAeIe.png
[12:35:57] <Tom_L> wrong coordinate system selected?
[12:36:05] <IchGucksLive> the first lady now is a russion born good looking modell
[12:36:36] <pink_vampire> i'm using mm
[12:36:42] <Tom_L> better than having bill be the first lady :D
[12:37:04] <IchGucksLive> Tom agree
[12:37:21] <IchGucksLive> pink_vampire: you are realy meesing up
[12:37:41] <Tom_L> just now catching that?
[12:38:00] <IchGucksLive> G54 G90 G1 X10 F500
[12:40:17] <pink_vampire> but everything is frozen
[12:40:37] <IchGucksLive> Restart you mesed up
[12:41:07] <pink_vampire> from the button?
[12:41:21] <IchGucksLive> no only start the pc
[12:41:42] <archivist> that has kernel panic at the bottom, serious fsck up
[12:42:13] <pink_vampire> what dose it mean?
[12:42:25] <IchGucksLive> today i soldert 4 so14 that i quite a chalange o a mechanics
[12:43:05] <archivist> the OS killed itself due to an error
[12:43:44] <Tom_L> that's a pretty hefty task for linux too
[12:44:16] <Tom_L> IchGucksLive SO isn't so bad
[12:44:35] <IchGucksLive> the 1st one has been
[12:44:44] <Tom_L> lots of flux and let it flow
[12:44:53] <IchGucksLive> the 805 smd resistors have been a good goiing part
[12:44:54] <Tom_L> get a flux pen
[12:45:20] <IchGucksLive> let me google that one
[12:45:24] <Tom_L> i did 0402 but decided my eyes didn't like them and really didn't save that much space over 0604
[12:45:45] <Tom_L> 0805 are huge
[12:46:16] <Tom_L> lead or lead free?
[12:46:25] <archivist> pink_vampire, have you been attempting to speed something up?
[12:46:50] <Tom_L> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/83-1000-0951/KE1804-ND/95158?WT.mc_id=IQ_7595_G_pla95158&wt.srch=1&wt.medium=cpc&WT.srch=1&gclid=CIe-zL6knNACFYSFaQodRmoHTQ
[12:46:56] <Tom_L> IchGucksLive something like that
[12:47:14] <Tom_L> felt tip pen with flux inside
[12:47:49] <IchGucksLive> so this makes the soldering without head
[12:48:02] <IchGucksLive> or is only the solder material
[12:48:14] <Tom_L> it's just flux but it makes the solder flow much better
[12:48:15] <IchGucksLive> i got 0.3 solder lead
[12:48:30] <IchGucksLive> oh i got no problem on that
[12:48:35] <Tom_L> it will wick under the pins better
[12:48:58] <IchGucksLive> i did 1 part 3 solders wrong and it has been a mess to get it off
[12:49:17] <Tom_L> i've got some .015" solder i've been using 60/40
[12:49:19] <Tom_L> iirc
[12:50:47] <Tom_L> http://www.techni-tool.com/488SO157
[12:50:49] <Tom_L> similar
[12:50:51] <andypugh> Use paste and a syringe
[12:51:09] <Tom_L> i've got paste too but i like the pen pretty good
[12:51:19] <IchGucksLive> i only got 5 pcb to be on that
[12:51:20] <andypugh> I mean solder paste
[12:51:26] <Tom_L> i've got that too andy
[12:51:31] <Tom_L> use it in my toaster oven
[12:51:42] <andypugh> It owrks with an iron too
[12:51:43] <Tom_L> with stencils
[12:51:47] <Tom_L> right
[12:51:52] <andypugh> Resist works well enoug
[12:52:52] <Tom_L> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/boards/USBTiny_Mkii/Stencils/stencil_form4.jpg
[12:53:01] <andypugh> I have found that with fine-pitch ICs you can just lay a bead of paste, plop the chip down, tack the corners than flow the paste onto the pins. You occasionally have to swipe-out a bridge with the iron.
[12:53:03] <Tom_L> my 'production line'
[12:53:14] <Tom_L> yeah
[12:53:25] <Tom_L> it will usually wick to the pins
[12:53:30] <Tom_L> unless you glob too much on
[12:54:24] <Tom_L> stencils aren't practical for one off boards
[12:54:45] <Tom_L> i did ~500 of those
[12:57:47] <andypugh> There is a place up the road from here who specialise in cutting stainless stencils. Seems unexpectedly specialised for where we are.
[12:58:21] <andypugh> About £40 per stencil, I can imagine the payback time is about, well, 15 boards?
[12:58:45] <andypugh> I think I would get to board 5 and wish I had bought the stencil :-)
[12:59:50] <pcw_home> Stainless is good for 1000s of cards (mylar or polyimide is fine for 100s)
[13:01:45] <pcw_home> £40 is cheap, I think we pay $120 for 20"x20" 6 mill frameless
[13:02:18] <andypugh> Well, the things I bought were small. (encoder discs)
[13:02:43] <andypugh> This isn’t a spirit level but what is it?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/222309744424
[13:02:46] <pcw_home> we often have 3/4 cards per stencil
[13:03:37] <pcw_home> no bubble
[13:04:09] <pcw_home> whats the wire for?
[13:04:43] <andypugh> I genuinely have no idea what it is.
[13:06:24] <andypugh> archivist probably has a set of them :-)
[13:07:01] <archivist> I was just in the middle of exploring that one :)
[13:07:19] <pcw_home> TA26-1
[13:07:20] <archivist> no idea, the model number is a blank too
[13:07:42] <andypugh> archivist: I am curious to the tune of £5, I am the bidder ;)
[13:07:46] <archivist> been searching ta26 and hilger watts
[13:08:18] <archivist> I wont fight you, just post it to me after you explored it :)
[13:08:47] <andypugh> What’s it worth to you? (I can snipe at that level)
[13:09:20] <archivist> looks like it is some form of a delicate/accurate tilting platform
[13:10:04] <Tom_L> the kapton stencils work and wear prettty good actually
[13:10:28] <archivist> the parts with it look like a small pendulum level and a telescope holder
[13:11:00] <pcw_home> also a mirror?
[13:11:09] <archivist> wire... illumination where is the other box
[13:12:54] <archivist> could be a tilting mirror to test an angle dekkor/ autocollimator
[13:13:52] <andypugh> There is something auto-colimator-ish about it, isn’t there?
[13:13:59] <IchGucksLive> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Latency-Test
[13:14:36] <archivist> I have an angle dekkor which is a baby auto collimator
[13:20:23] <IchGucksLive> SO from Today try to STOCK up as from FEB the China trade will be a mess in the US
[13:21:24] <Tom_L> before Feb as that is their chinese new year and are basically shut down
[13:22:48] <andypugh> I think that we are doomed, no hope for sorting out climate change now
[13:24:37] <andypugh> (There wasn’t much hope anyway)
[13:24:38] <IchGucksLive> Money out of CC is a good argument for that person to work harder on it
[13:24:45] <archivist> andypugh, I used the angle dekkor with a precision polygon on top of rotary tables to measure the worm error
[13:25:31] <andypugh> How many gons does your precision polygon have?
[13:28:59] <archivist> 8 30 deg
http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=polygon
[13:29:26] <gregcnc> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZcLwStx6h4
[13:29:34] <andypugh> Talking about China: I want some hollow brass bar. 70mm OD x 50mm ID x 200mm long. I got a quote from China, $5200/ton, so about £10 each. Guess how much I was quoted (excl VAT and shipping) by a UK supplier?
[13:30:09] <IchGucksLive> archivist i got a old laser scanner with 16 at 7200rpm
[13:30:23] <IchGucksLive> that is precise like hell
[13:31:55] <IchGucksLive> Gn8
[13:55:37] <MacGalempsy> andypugh: triple that amount?
[13:55:46] <Jymmm> It's fuck with Jymmm day... Event he wild peacocks are like "whoa dude, we'll stay out of your path today"
[13:55:51] <Jymmm> Even*
[13:56:21] <andypugh> MacGalempsy: Try again.
[13:56:36] <MacGalempsy> more or less?
[13:56:47] <andypugh> Much more. £310.
[13:57:03] <MacGalempsy> dang...
[13:57:22] <andypugh> I did wonder if the quote was for 2m rather than 200mm
[13:57:36] <MacGalempsy> one would think tolerances and composition may vary
[13:59:09] <andypugh> That price is about right for 2m of the equivalent weight (50mm) round bar
[14:01:01] <andypugh> I can buy a metre of PB1 bronze for that price, and I think that brass is typically cheaper then bronze
[14:01:17] <andypugh> (that’s bronze hollow bar, 70 x 50)
[14:01:37] <MacGalempsy> hopeing to get a new encoder for the 4th axis this week. waiting to hear back from the guy on its condition
[14:04:26] <MacGalempsy> what are you making out of brass?
[14:22:21] <andypugh> A clock
[14:23:35] <cradek> with cams I bet! tell us about it?
[14:24:12] <Deejay> and send us all that cool pics ;)
[14:31:19] <Tom_L> andypugh is that brass stock what you'll cut those 'cams' in?
[14:31:57] <Tom_L> or is that another part of it
[14:32:50] <andypugh> Yes, the brass is for cams
[14:33:32] <Tom_L> you makin a mini 'big ben' ?
[14:40:39] <Jymmm> andypugh: you still working on that clock? I thought you had it going already?
[14:41:00] <andypugh> I have only ben at it for about 8 years.
[14:41:11] <andypugh> (ANd haven’t cut a single bit of metal for it yet)
[14:41:14] <Jymmm> andypugh: oh, haha... carry on =)
[14:41:35] <andypugh> I kond of got side-tracked by making CNC machines
[14:41:39] <Jymmm> andypugh: Wait, I thought this was a retrofit, you were just adding the electronics?
[14:41:51] <andypugh> Oh, that is working fine
[14:42:02] <Jymmm> ah, ok. different clock?
[14:42:09] <andypugh> (And automatically adjusted when the clocks changed, as planned)
[14:42:15] <Jymmm> cool
[16:06:58] <linux_vampire> hi
[16:07:39] <linux_vampire> is there a way to edit the keyboard shotcut?
[16:10:40] <XXCoder> there is some
[16:10:48] <XXCoder> forgot where though
[16:13:09] <linux_vampire> the arrows move the machine to the opposite direction
[16:13:38] <cradek> the arrows move the direction of the tool/cut
[16:13:50] <cradek> if it is backwards your axis configs are wrong
[16:14:03] <linux_vampire> and I don't have F2 on the small lenovo keyboard
[16:15:03] <linux_vampire> cradek, i did a test cut, it work fine, but the problem is with the keys on he keyboard
[16:19:59] <linux_vampire> I think it not support other hot keys
[16:20:43] <linux_vampire> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Keyboard_Shortcuts
[16:22:54] <linux_vampire> here they talk about it, but all the links to the docs are broken
[16:22:55] <linux_vampire> https://forum.linuxcnc.org/forum/21-axis/14675-keyboard-re-mapping-key-binding
[16:37:26] <Deejay> gn8
[16:45:52] <miss0r> I've done it again. Working on a project and totally forget the time. good night
[16:56:32] <linux_vampire> nilsson, also here, i can't see how to edit the keys
http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gui/axis.html#_keyboard_controls
[17:29:53] <andypugh> linux_vampire: Let me repeat what cradek said: If the keys move the tool the wrong way then your config is at fault, not the keys.
[17:31:06] <andypugh> right-arrow is tool-right or table-left. Up arrow is tool away from the front or table towards the back (depending on what moves)
[17:31:40] <andypugh> Sorry, I double-thought myself there
[17:31:56] <andypugh> up-arrow is tool back or table forward
[17:32:40] <andypugh> And right-arrow should make the X-number bigger, up-arrow makes the Y-number bigger. Anything else is wrong.
[17:34:42] <JT-Shop> and page up the tool moves up or the table down depending on the machine
[17:45:27] <pink_vampire> andypugh: JT-Shop, on my machine the tool is fixed, but the table is the moving part. if is was an engraver it was right. i had the same issue with mach3
[17:46:14] <JT-Shop> if the table moves what andy said is still correct
[17:46:32] <andypugh> On my machine the same is true. So right-arrow moves the table left. Because everything in G-code is from the point of view of the tool relative to the work.
[17:49:30] <pink_vampire> but it's VERY confusing, 99% of the jogging is for the setup. and i want to see the table move in the direction of the arrow
[17:50:02] <JT-Shop> that is wrong
[17:50:38] <andypugh> I can see your point, but all you need to do is get used to looking at the tool, not the table.
[17:51:11] <andypugh> (And it doesn’t take much getting used to)
[17:51:43] <pink_vampire> I want the arrow to point on the direction of the movement.
[17:52:16] <andypugh> It does, in the direction of movement of the tool
[17:52:40] <pink_vampire> but the tool is FIXED
[17:52:49] <gregcnc> all machines are configured this way
[17:53:08] <pink_vampire> i don't care
[17:53:12] <gregcnc> always tool movement in the coordinate system
[17:53:19] <pink_vampire> I want the arrow to point on the direction of the movement.
[17:53:39] <andypugh> pink_vampire: As I said, I see your point, but that’s not the way CNC machines get configured.
[17:54:07] <andypugh> And it really is easy to get used to.
[17:54:26] <pink_vampire> ok... but i want it in revers.
[17:54:27] <gregcnc> maybe not if you've been doing it wrong for years
[17:54:32] <andypugh> If you look at the tool when jogging it feels entirely natural.
[17:55:10] <pink_vampire> but, 99% of the time there is no tool
[17:57:06] <JT-Shop> your still 100% wrong
[17:57:13] <pink_vampire> i don't care
[17:57:19] <JT-Shop> I don't either
[17:57:41] <pink_vampire> this is how i want to control it.
[17:58:12] <JT-Shop> it is open source software change it as you see fit
[17:58:50] <pink_vampire> so how I can change it?
[17:59:23] <andypugh> Which user-interface?
[17:59:49] <pink_vampire> axis with pyvcp
[18:00:59] <JT-i3> she doesn't know
[18:01:58] <andypugh> http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.distributions.emc.user/12638/focus=12642
[18:02:06] <pink_vampire> JT-i3: what do you mean
[18:04:07] <pink_vampire> andypugh: it has similar issue.. and no solution
[18:05:16] <andypugh> what is similar to what?
[18:06:09] <andypugh> The gmane version seems to have lost the <thiskey> stuff, so is slightly less useful than it could be
[18:06:29] <andypugh> The verison here has, this, but presumably is the thing that you have failed to make work?
[18:06:30] <andypugh> https://forum.linuxcnc.org/forum/21-axis/14675-keyboard-re-mapping-key-binding?start=6#14703
[18:06:42] <tiwake> oh gosh, I love it
[18:06:43] <tiwake> https://www.facebook.com/events/161632180968798/?active_tab=about
[18:06:50] <JT-i3> reminds me of Leslie Caron playing Catherine in Father Goose
[18:06:54] <tiwake> tears are delicious
[18:07:36] <andypugh> A friend of mine was wondering if you could Kickstarter an asassination
[18:08:09] <JT-i3> a somewhat odd request I think
[18:08:14] <tiwake> "Hosted by Socialist Alternative Seattle"
[18:10:59] <BeachBumPete> andypugh Wow that is amazingly disgusting thing to say man
[18:11:21] * JT-i3 learns what Rectilinear means...
[18:13:35] <andypugh> BeachBumPete: Well, you seem to have proved that you can’t be trusted with democracy.
[18:14:25] <andypugh> Neither can we, probably (Brexit) but at least that was something you could laugh at us about. I don’t think many are laughing about Trump with Nuclear weapons and a climate-chane denial agenda.
[18:14:46] <pink_vampire> andypugh: that post looks very promise, but, the only thing that I can't find is the path to the axis.py file
[18:15:14] <andypugh> Use axisrc
[18:15:23] <gregcnc> A few nukes to bring nuclear winter it's all good
[18:16:06] <pink_vampire> thank you
[18:16:36] <BeachBumPete> we will just have to agree to disagree. I prefer not to spoil this place with a bunch of political babble. The people have spoken and that is that.
[18:16:51] <andypugh> Another friend was more fatalistic about the future, and decided to start practicing doing something in 4 minutes or less.
[18:16:56] <gregcnc> they spoke 8 years ago too and we all survived
[18:17:43] <BeachBumPete> gonna try to mount my Z axis motor back up there today now that I got a replacement screw for the coupler that was lost during transport
[18:20:55] <pink_vampire> I cant find any file named "axisrc"
[18:21:12] <pink_vampire> andypugh: ^
[18:21:28] <_methods> i'm just buying as many shares of brawndo as i can get now
[18:21:41] <andypugh> No, you have to make one. As very clearly instructed in the forum post I linked you to.
[18:21:42] <_methods> them plants aint gonna grow without it
[18:22:33] <pink_vampire> where to make one?
[18:22:52] <pink_vampire> what the path for it?
[18:22:53] <andypugh> pink_vampire: Do you eve read anythign we give you links to, or are you just wasting our time?
[18:23:58] <andypugh> ~ means home directory. . at the beginning means “hidden file”
[18:27:49] <pink_vampire> How i'm supposed to know that I don't even have the sideways "s" on my keyboard
[18:28:14] <pink_vampire> it was look like a typo
[18:28:19] <gregcnc> ~~~~~
[18:28:55] <_methods> 3=====D
[18:29:32] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/RXNRYtX.png
[18:29:36] <_methods> 🍆
[18:29:48] <gregcnc> where's the beer?
[18:29:53] <_methods> 🍺
[18:29:57] <pink_vampire> this is the cnc keyboard
[18:30:00] <_methods> 🔫
[18:30:34] <andypugh> pink_vampire: Above the right-arrow
[18:31:07] <pink_vampire> yes!
[18:31:23] <andypugh> ~/ is standad Unix / Linux shortcut for your own home directory
[18:31:28] <pink_vampire> i was cover it with my finger
[18:32:06] <pink_vampire> ``````
[18:32:08] <gregcnc> andypugh that answers your last question
[18:32:10] <andypugh> I have a keyboard with no # which makes Python and G-code annoying.
[18:32:16] <pink_vampire> ``
[18:32:33] <pink_vampire> ~~~~~
[18:32:36] <pink_vampire> yes
[18:32:52] <pink_vampire> it work with shift
[18:33:19] <pink_vampire> i'm trying
[18:35:18] <pink_vampire> i did it
[18:35:34] <pink_vampire> now to re open linux cnc?
[18:35:54] <pink_vampire> andypugh: ^
[18:36:15] <andypugh> Yes
[18:36:54] <linux_vampire> ok.. let me see
[18:38:20] <pink_vampire> nothing
[18:38:21] <andypugh> I don’t beleive you had time to do more than copy and paste some code that does something diffferent to what you want.
[18:39:30] <andypugh> What is the file called? What keypress names did you use?
[18:39:57] <linux_vampire> this is what I've copy in to the file
[18:40:00] <linux_vampire> https://forum.linuxcnc.org/forum/21-axis/14675-keyboard-re-mapping-key-binding?start=6#14712
[18:40:16] <linux_vampire> the last post.
[18:40:35] <linux_vampire> he has the same issue
[18:40:43] <cradek> it's worth considering that in AXIS the arrows work correctly and jog the machine in the right directions
[18:41:11] <cradek> (the exception being back-tool lathes)
[18:41:40] <andypugh> linux_vampire: What did you call the file?
[18:42:05] <linux_vampire> .axisrc
[18:42:15] <linux_vampire> dot axisrc
[18:42:16] <andypugh> And where did you put it?
[18:42:36] <linux_vampire> /home/berta
[18:42:41] <andypugh> cradek: We tried that tack
[18:42:42] <linux_vampire> i did cd ~
[18:43:10] <andypugh> Hmm, no idea then
[18:43:38] <linux_vampire> http://paste.debian.net/894104/
[18:43:42] <linux_vampire> this is the file
[18:44:44] <andypugh> That looks more likely to swap X and Y
[18:47:18] <andypugh> (and it does swap X and Y for me)
[18:47:19] <linux_vampire> I tried now to change the right with left, but also no change
[18:48:04] <andypugh> I put a “print “hello”’ in my .axisrc to check that it was being called. You could do the same.
[18:48:22] <linux_vampire> where?
[18:48:24] <andypugh> You will only see it if you start from the terminal with the “linuxcnc” command
[18:49:00] <linux_vampire> to add " print hello" at the end of the file?
[18:49:17] <andypugh> Well, I put mine at the beginning
[18:49:40] <linux_vampire> with the "
[18:50:17] <andypugh> some of them. You know, like a Python print statement
[18:50:35] <linux_vampire> bash: Linuxcnc: command not found
[18:50:51] <linux_vampire> I think the terminal version is missing
[18:51:33] <andypugh> no capital
[18:51:44] <linux_vampire> hoo..
[18:51:47] <linux_vampire> lets see
[18:52:27] <linux_vampire> I'm getting configuration selection
[18:52:37] <andypugh> Yes, you will
[18:53:12] <linux_vampire> ans nothing in the terminal
[18:54:23] <linux_vampire> http://paste.debian.net/894105/
[18:54:32] <linux_vampire> this is the file after the edit
[18:54:55] <linux_vampire> ~$ linuxcnc
[18:54:55] <linux_vampire> LINUXCNC - 2.7.0
[18:55:04] <linux_vampire> this is the terminal output
[18:55:27] <linux_vampire> andypugh, ^
[18:55:41] <andypugh> I would expect an error message, probably, what with the syntax of the print statement being all wrong
[18:56:22] <linux_vampire> you can pastebin your file?
[18:57:25] <andypugh> Really?
[18:57:33] <andypugh> http://pastebin.com/0rcTtcrf
[18:58:07] <andypugh> Did you actually select your config and run it? You would normally get a fair bit of output, for example the HAL file names
[18:59:13] <linux_vampire> I'm not sure what do you mean
[18:59:23] <linux_vampire> one sec let me take a screen shot
[19:00:41] <linux_vampire> andypugh,
http://i.imgur.com/QKDyyZK.png
[19:03:18] <andypugh> You need to pick your confg from “my configurations”
[19:04:39] <linux_vampire> linuxcnc path to may .ini
[19:04:53] <linux_vampire> that open the linux cnc
[19:06:32] <linux_vampire> andypugh,
http://paste.debian.net/894110/
[19:06:40] <linux_vampire> this is the output
[19:08:20] <andypugh> Hmm
[19:09:05] <andypugh> Try one of the samples, axis_mm for example. There seems to be a fair bit of stuff going wrong with your pyngcgui and probe screen
[19:11:52] <linux_vampire> I'm not sure what do you mean
[19:12:15] <andypugh> In the config picker, choose one of the sim/axis configs
[19:12:44] <linux_vampire> ho ok
[19:15:20] <linux_vampire> Error in startup script: error deleting "/home/berta/linuxcnc/nc_files/ngcgui_lib": directory not empty
[19:15:23] <linux_vampire> OMG
[19:15:29] <linux_vampire> WHAAT
[19:16:22] <andypugh> You might well say “What”
[19:16:39] <andypugh> Which config did you open?
[19:17:11] <linux_vampire> axis_mm
[19:17:25] <andypugh> (At least it looks like it _didn’t_ delete the directory. But I don’t know why it tried to.
[19:18:16] <linux_vampire> If you don't know who know?? why it even delete stuff?
[19:20:23] <andypugh> So, maybe it would be better to temporarily comment-out the embed_tab commands for pyngcgui and the probe in the INI file to get a clean startup with no errors (though I don’t think any of those errors are critical)
[19:21:28] <linux_vampire> mmm
[19:21:31] <linux_vampire> let me see
[19:22:05] <linux_vampire> [TOOLSENSOR]
[19:22:05] <linux_vampire> # Control probe rapid speed
[19:22:05] <linux_vampire> RAPID_SPEED = 6
[19:22:08] <linux_vampire> that?
[19:23:30] <linux_vampire> EMBED_TAB_NAME=Probe Screen
[19:23:46] <linux_vampire> isee also that ^
[19:26:22] <linux_vampire> andypugh, this is the file after the edit
[19:26:24] <linux_vampire> file:///home/berta/.axisrc
[19:26:34] <linux_vampire> opps
[19:26:36] <linux_vampire> http://paste.debian.net/894115/
[19:27:35] <andypugh> what happens?
[19:28:27] <linux_vampire> lets see
[19:29:47] <linux_vampire> http://paste.debian.net/894126/
[19:29:59] <linux_vampire> this is the output
[19:33:46] <linux_vampire> maybe I should set in linux cnc the the path for the .axisrc file?
[19:33:50] <linux_vampire> andypugh,
[19:33:59] <andypugh> It should just work.
[19:34:45] <Tom_itx> (sm)
[19:34:53] <andypugh> does ls -a in the home directory show the .axisrc file? Perhaps it got named .axisrc.txt or something?
[19:34:54] <linux_vampire> do tou want me to copy all my files?
[19:35:11] <linux_vampire> lets see
[19:36:14] <linux_vampire> http://paste.debian.net/894127/
[19:37:53] <linux_vampire> andypugh,
[19:41:48] <andypugh> Sorry, I am out of ideas
[19:42:20] <andypugh> What is the output with only the “print” statement in the .axisrc?
[19:43:54] <linux_vampire> just to type print in the terminal?
[19:44:36] <andypugh> No, have just the print statement in the .axisrc, to check that the file is, at least, being run
[19:45:08] <linux_vampire> ~$ print "hello"
[19:45:08] <linux_vampire> Warning: unknown mime-type for "hello" -- using "application/octet-stream"
[19:45:08] <linux_vampire> Error: no such file "hello"
[19:45:43] <andypugh> <out of patience error> going to bed
[19:45:48] <linux_vampire> to detere the "hello"?
[20:13:37] <dioz> YOU ES AYE
[20:13:38] <dioz> YOU ES AYE
[20:13:44] <dioz> LOCK HER UP
[20:13:55] <dioz> i wonder how many more days of protests there will be
[20:29:22] <pink_vampire> dioz: I'm not sure what do you men.
[20:29:50] <pink_vampire> mean*
[21:04:43] <pink_vampire> according to that it look like a bug
[21:04:51] <pink_vampire> https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/issues/22
[21:05:54] <pink_vampire> seb_kuzminsky: maybe you if it got solved?
[21:06:12] <pink_vampire> I'm using 2.7.0
[21:07:06] <pink_vampire> you know*
[22:10:03] <AndChat|234416> whats up?
[22:20:45] <Mac-Phone> pink_vampire - you getting it all figured out?
[22:42:54] <seb_kuzminsky> pink_vampire: according to the comments in that issue, the problem was fixed almost a year ago
[22:43:07] <seb_kuzminsky> are you seeing the problem still>
[22:43:08] <seb_kuzminsky> ?
[23:21:37] <canid> I will gladly seppuku if this information is somewhere accessible but I can't for the life of me find the location[s] for axis .ini files
[23:22:50] <canid> I'm hoping to integrate ngcgui with axis
